<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: &#8220;The Worse the Better&#8221; (NewsReal Blog) &#8211; by David Horowitz</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/2009/david-horowitz/the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2009/david-horowitz/the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2014 10:25:00 +0000</lastBuildDate>
		<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
		<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	
	<item>
		<title>By: Bellerophon</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2009/david-horowitz/the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz/comment-page-1/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bellerophon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://frontpagemag.com/?p=24312#comment-934</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;While I agree with much of what you said. I must disagree with you here. Have you ever been to a tea party? If not, then you do not know what is being told to these people at these tea parties. These people are not under-ground.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess I wasn&#039;t as clear as I thought. I didn&#039;t mean that the Tea Party participants would go underground, I meant that the legislatures would. Their response to criticism of government health care was first to change its name. Failing to fool anyone they tried several other tactics and ultimately are now trying to slip it past everyone by hiding it inside another bill. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The reason that Social Security is so hard to deal with is precisely because of the &quot;inevitability doctrine&quot;. To change SS you first have to disprove the inevitability doctrine in a less emotionally charged case. In 1934, in the midst of the Great Depression, people were legitimately afraid of disability and retirement. It was hard to oppose a small benefit for the elderly that no one would collect for years. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After three generations of propaganda and dependency SS is the hardest program to deal with because the horrendous consequences of the unfunded liabilities hasn&#039;t been felt yet.When payroll taxes hit 30 per cent, as they must to maintain the program, it will be easy to push changes through especially if the groundwork has been laid by disproving the inevitability doctrine of bigger and bigger government in a smaller case. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It took eighty years to do all this damage. It may well take 80 more to undo it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While I agree with much of what you said. I must disagree with you here. Have you ever been to a tea party? If not, then you do not know what is being told to these people at these tea parties. These people are not under-ground.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess I wasn&#39;t as clear as I thought. I didn&#39;t mean that the Tea Party participants would go underground, I meant that the legislatures would. Their response to criticism of government health care was first to change its name. Failing to fool anyone they tried several other tactics and ultimately are now trying to slip it past everyone by hiding it inside another bill. </p>
<p>The reason that Social Security is so hard to deal with is precisely because of the &#8220;inevitability doctrine&#8221;. To change SS you first have to disprove the inevitability doctrine in a less emotionally charged case. In 1934, in the midst of the Great Depression, people were legitimately afraid of disability and retirement. It was hard to oppose a small benefit for the elderly that no one would collect for years. </p>
<p>After three generations of propaganda and dependency SS is the hardest program to deal with because the horrendous consequences of the unfunded liabilities hasn&#39;t been felt yet.When payroll taxes hit 30 per cent, as they must to maintain the program, it will be easy to push changes through especially if the groundwork has been laid by disproving the inevitability doctrine of bigger and bigger government in a smaller case. </p>
<p>It took eighty years to do all this damage. It may well take 80 more to undo it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: patriotwork</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2009/david-horowitz/the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz/comment-page-1/#comment-948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[patriotwork]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://frontpagemag.com/?p=24312#comment-948</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Frum is of the cannonfodder,crony Washington Republicans who brought us defeat and Obama into office.If Obamacare passes in any form,vote for no Democrat. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frum is of the cannonfodder,crony Washington Republicans who brought us defeat and Obama into office.If Obamacare passes in any form,vote for no Democrat. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Steven Laib</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2009/david-horowitz/the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz/comment-page-1/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steven Laib]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://frontpagemag.com/?p=24312#comment-919</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Since Mr. Horowitz was involved in the New Left, Mr. Frum would do well to listen to him.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After reading and listening to him for some time now, I&#039;m come to be of the opinion that Frum wants conservatives to lose because he believes that centrism is the only way.  However, centrism appears to be only a matter of slowing the leftward pace, not a reversal.  It won&#039;t work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Mr. Horowitz was involved in the New Left, Mr. Frum would do well to listen to him.  </p>
<p>After reading and listening to him for some time now, I&#39;m come to be of the opinion that Frum wants conservatives to lose because he believes that centrism is the only way.  However, centrism appears to be only a matter of slowing the leftward pace, not a reversal.  It won&#39;t work.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Proxywar</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2009/david-horowitz/the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz/comment-page-1/#comment-908</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Proxywar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://frontpagemag.com/?p=24312#comment-908</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Tea Parties and the 9-12 demonstration seem to have only accomplished the latter.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While I agree with much of what you said. I must disagree with you here. Have you ever been to a tea party? If not, then you do not know what is being told to these people at these tea parties. These people are not under-ground. They are regular people. I&#039;ve seen them with my own eyes. I&#039;ve talked to them. You do good work &lt;br&gt;but I would not view the tea-partiers from an ivory tower. These Tea-patiers were the same people who were at the town hall meetings raising hell about Obamacare. They pretty much brought the fight to Obama. Horowitz, Coulter, Frum, none of these people brought the fight to Obama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t for get the public option survives via a new TARP bill.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The reason is that too many non leftists subscribe to the doctrine that once a battle is lost, it is lost forever. Once government gets control of something, it can never be made to let go. This is nonsense. Several countries including Chile and New Zealand successfully privatized their social security systems. New Zealand moved from being to the left of Euro-socialists to having a freer economy than the US (according to the Cato Institute).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have a precedent but it&#039;s not absolute. For example... Social-security, medicare, medicaid, FDA, ect... All federal government programs that have been with us for decades. Yes, One maybe able to repeal them, but as our history shows this is nearly impossible once the ball gets rolling. You should be a little more skeptical and less absolute. Once someone is on the government dole their mindset transforms into that of a serfs. Look how terrible medicare and medicaid are yet they still refuse to  abolish it and come up with something better and more cost effective.  A little skepticism is all I ask.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Tea Parties and the 9-12 demonstration seem to have only accomplished the latter.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I agree with much of what you said. I must disagree with you here. Have you ever been to a tea party? If not, then you do not know what is being told to these people at these tea parties. These people are not under-ground. They are regular people. I&#39;ve seen them with my own eyes. I&#39;ve talked to them. You do good work <br />but I would not view the tea-partiers from an ivory tower. These Tea-patiers were the same people who were at the town hall meetings raising hell about Obamacare. They pretty much brought the fight to Obama. Horowitz, Coulter, Frum, none of these people brought the fight to Obama. </p>
<p>Don&#39;t for get the public option survives via a new TARP bill.</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason is that too many non leftists subscribe to the doctrine that once a battle is lost, it is lost forever. Once government gets control of something, it can never be made to let go. This is nonsense. Several countries including Chile and New Zealand successfully privatized their social security systems. New Zealand moved from being to the left of Euro-socialists to having a freer economy than the US (according to the Cato Institute).&#8221;</p>
<p>You have a precedent but it&#39;s not absolute. For example&#8230; Social-security, medicare, medicaid, FDA, ect&#8230; All federal government programs that have been with us for decades. Yes, One maybe able to repeal them, but as our history shows this is nearly impossible once the ball gets rolling. You should be a little more skeptical and less absolute. Once someone is on the government dole their mindset transforms into that of a serfs. Look how terrible medicare and medicaid are yet they still refuse to  abolish it and come up with something better and more cost effective.  A little skepticism is all I ask.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bellerophon</title>
		<link>http://www.frontpagemag.com/2009/david-horowitz/the-worse-the-better-by-david-horowitz/comment-page-1/#comment-853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bellerophon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://frontpagemag.com/?p=24312#comment-853</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Angry protests without actual violence can be effective, at least in putting a little fear into elected officials. Not fear for their physical lives but fear for their political lives. But can this fear translate itself into something productive? Or will it just drive them underground and make them hide their real activities. The Tea Parties and the 9-12 demonstration seem to have only accomplished the latter. Congress, determined to have a government controlled medical plan, first changed its name to &quot;public option&quot; then to &quot;cooperatives&quot; and then said that the states would run it. Failing in all three efforts they pretend to drop government control and shove it through as a reconciliation matter. When this was exposed they simply decided to tack it onto another piece of legislation. Government control of medicine is the sine qua non of their agenda and all of the demonstrations have not budged them one inch. Forget the &quot;blue dogs&quot;. They are called &quot;dogs&quot; for a reason. If you give them pork treats they will roll over and play dead. For the Left this battle is life and death. They will not yield until they are put out of office and that can&#039;t happen for at least another year. The real question for the opponents of government health care is whether or not they will have the courage to repeal it once it passes. Can demonstrations actually result in the repeal of legislation? This has never happened that I can recall. The reason is that too many non leftists subscribe to the doctrine that once a battle is lost, it is lost forever. Once government gets control of something, it can never be made to let go. This is nonsense. Several countries including Chile and New Zealand successfully privatized their social security systems. New Zealand moved from being to the left of Euro-socialists to having a freer economy than the US (according to the Cato Institute). While exposing the nature of the Left and angrily opposing tyranny have their place, nothing can substitute for a long term, carefully reasoned program of philosophical education. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angry protests without actual violence can be effective, at least in putting a little fear into elected officials. Not fear for their physical lives but fear for their political lives. But can this fear translate itself into something productive? Or will it just drive them underground and make them hide their real activities. The Tea Parties and the 9-12 demonstration seem to have only accomplished the latter. Congress, determined to have a government controlled medical plan, first changed its name to &quot;public option&quot; then to &quot;cooperatives&quot; and then said that the states would run it. Failing in all three efforts they pretend to drop government control and shove it through as a reconciliation matter. When this was exposed they simply decided to tack it onto another piece of legislation. Government control of medicine is the sine qua non of their agenda and all of the demonstrations have not budged them one inch. Forget the &quot;blue dogs&quot;. They are called &quot;dogs&quot; for a reason. If you give them pork treats they will roll over and play dead. For the Left this battle is life and death. They will not yield until they are put out of office and that can&#039;t happen for at least another year. The real question for the opponents of government health care is whether or not they will have the courage to repeal it once it passes. Can demonstrations actually result in the repeal of legislation? This has never happened that I can recall. The reason is that too many non leftists subscribe to the doctrine that once a battle is lost, it is lost forever. Once government gets control of something, it can never be made to let go. This is nonsense. Several countries including Chile and New Zealand successfully privatized their social security systems. New Zealand moved from being to the left of Euro-socialists to having a freer economy than the US (according to the Cato Institute). While exposing the nature of the Left and angrily opposing tyranny have their place, nothing can substitute for a long term, carefully reasoned program of philosophical education. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Object Caching 389/392 objects using disk
Content Delivery Network via cdn.frontpagemag.com

 Served from: www.frontpagemag.com @ 2014-12-31 05:51:18 by W3 Total Cache -->