Obama to Israelis: Jerusalem Is a “Settlement” – by P. David Hornik

 

 

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Asked by Fox News in China what he thought of Israel’s plans to build 900 housing units in the Gilo neighborhood in southeastern Jerusalem, President Obama responded:

“The situation in the Middle East is very difficult, and I’ve said repeatedly and I’ll say again, Israel’s security is a vital national interest to the United States, and we will make sure they are secure. I think that additional settlement building does not contribute to Israel’s security. I think it makes it harder for them to make peace with their neighbors. I think it embitters the Palestinians in a way that could end up being very dangerous.”

To most Israeli ears the statement is discordant. The avowal of commitment to Israel’s security doesn’t jibe with describing building in Gilo as “dangerously embittering” the Palestinians. Gilo, now a neighborhood of 40,000, was annexed by Israel in the aftermath of the 1967 war as part of the reunification of Jerusalem. Gilo is a fact; ordinary Israelis live in it, and calling them settlers would be laughable.

Not that Obama was breaking new ground in calling a Jewish Jerusalem neighborhood a settlement. Less than two years ago then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said of another such neighborhood, Har Homa, that “Har Homa is a settlement the United States has opposed from the very beginning” and that the United States “doesn’t make a distinction” between settlement activity in east Jerusalem and the West Bank. Har Homa, however, only goes back to the 1990s and is a good deal smaller than Gilo. “Gilo” and “settlement” sounds even more jarring.

Nor was Obama, of course, alone in his statement; he was leading the international charge. UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon’s spokeswoman said “such actions [as building in Gilo] undermine efforts for peace and cast doubt on the viability of the two-state solution.” The British Foreign Office said that “Expanding settlements on occupied land in east Jerusalem makes [a] deal much harder. So this decision on Gilo is wrong and we oppose it.” French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner, in Israel for talks, also condemned the building plans.

And back in Washington, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the administration was “dismayed” and that both parties should avoid actions that could “preempt, or appear to preempt, negotiations.”

Just as the official international reaction was unanimous in opposing the building, the internal Israeli reaction was unanimous in supporting it—and included leading figures from both the government and the opposition.

An aide to Prime Minister Netanyahu wrote in a message to reporters that “Construction in Gilo has taken place regularly for dozens of years and there is nothing new about the current planning and construction.” Knesset Speaker Reuven Rivlin of Netanyahu’s Likud Party said that “new demands of the type that the Americans are airing now, pushes us toward a red line that we cannot allow ourselves to cross, and is not legitimate. The right to build in all of unified Jerusalem is not questioned in Israel….” Tzipi Livni, opposition leader and head of the left-of-center Kadima Party, told Kouchner that “Gilo is part of the Israeli consensus….”

Nir Barkat, mayor of Jerusalem, was the least restrained, stating:

“Israeli law does not discriminate between Jews and Arabs and between east and west [Jerusalem]. The demand to specifically halt construction for Jews is not legal in the U.S. or in any other enlightened country in the world.

“I cannot imagine the American administration demanding a halt to construction in the U.S. based upon race, religion or sex, and the attempt to demand this of Jerusalem constitutes a double standard and is unacceptable. The Jerusalem Municipality will continue to enable construction in all parts of the city to both Arabs and Jews, with one law for all.”

Why did Obama and the world’s criticism evoke such strong, across-the-board indignation in Israel?

For one thing, it strikes at the core Jewish value of Jerusalem. From 1948 to 1967, when the city was divided, Israelis in West Jerusalem lived with sniper fire from Jordanian East Jerusalem. Jordan not only reneged on international undertakings to permit Israeli access to Jerusalem’s Holy Basin, but desecrated and destroyed the synagogues there. Nevertheless, Israel implored Jordan not to enter the 1967 war—in vain. With united Jerusalem now in Israeli hands for forty-two years, only Israelis well to the Left are willing to countenance a redivision of the city into Arab and Jewish areas. Even under such an arrangement, neighborhoods like Gilo (and Har Homa) would remain intact and continue to grow. They are not up for discussion.

Such criticism also implies that no Israeli concessions can ever suffice. Netanyahu, a lifelong Likud figure commonly tagged as a “hawk” and “hardliner” abroad, has gone so far as to announce his preparedness for a Palestinian state (twenty years ago still a far-Left position in Israel) and for a freeze in construction throughout the West Bank. After Netanyahu had supposedly clarified with Obama that stopping construction in Jerusalem was farther than he or any Israeli prime minister could go, the president’s reference to Gilo as an “additional settlement” where building “embitters the Palestinians” sounds to Israelis—whether or not it is intended as such—like contempt for their willingness to compromise and a message that not even their most basic rights are safe.

In a better world, the Israeli reaction would lead the administration to ask: is pushing Jews out of Jerusalem really an American interest, and is it consistent with American values? For how long do the Palestinians—who have flatly rejected every peace offer since 1937 and have refused even to negotiate with Israel since Obama has been in office—deserve such consideration? Is the pressure by the larger Muslim world to downgrade the Jewish connection to Jerusalem something the United States should submit to?

  • johnfor

    Every single Israeli citizen living anywhere over the 67 border, whether it be east Jerusalem, or the west bank, isba settler in violation of international law, as was determined by the US state department more than 30 years ago.

    Save your faux outrage for a country that cares, because most of the US does not.

    People here care about the security of Israeli, but in no way support the settlers or their internationally condemned actions.

  • bubba4

    If you read the article, then you will see that not even Fox can obscure the fact that this is “dangerous” because Israel knows that this particular location is where the Palestinians are suppose to have their capitol in the fabled Jeruselam of peace treaties gone by.

  • kampunghighlander

    “Gilo, now a neighborhood of 40,000, was annexed by Israel in the aftermath of the 1967 war as part of the reunification of Jerusalem. Gilo is a fact; ordinary Israelis live in it, and calling them settlers would be laughable.”

    There is not a single country in the entire world that recognizes the annexation of any land that Israel occupied in the aftermath of the 1967 war.

    It is becoming increasingly clear to everyone that Israel has only used the Oslo process to play for time while they create facts on the ground. There will be an eventual day of reckoning when Israel's intransigence leads to the International community demanding Israel return to its 1967 borders as the only solution.

    The more you continue to embarrass your strongest supporter the United States the sooner that day will come.

  • Trumpeldor

    @jonfor You tried and you failed….
    Leftists alaways refer to “international laws”to criticize Israel but just remember that 1920 San Remo International Conference awarded the sovereignty of the whole British Mandate over Palestine to the Jewish People !
    These clauses are still valid and legally binding !
    Even 242 UN resol only calls for Israel rights to secured borders !

  • Peter

    There's no such thing as the “1967 border”. Israel's eastern borders have not been defined. You're referring to the 1949 Armistice lines. Those boundaries are not defensible and were never intended to be permanent. Jews have every right to live in the West Bank and anywhere in Jerusalem. They are not occupying anyone's land. There is no country called “Palestine” and there never has been.

  • Robert Bernier

    Every American should know the truth

    Just open this video:

    http://xrl.us/bf29mb

    Look to the end ( 10 min.)

  • Robert Bernier

    Jerusalem, Mecca and Medina
    Judaism has no designs on Mecca or Medina and does not wish to deny religious rights to Muslims in those or any other city. Indeed, Jews don’t seek to deny Muslims the right to pray at their third holiest place – the Aksa Mosque. Rather, they are simply asking that Jews be allowed to pray on their holiest of sites. The Muslims vehemently deny any Jewish rights to the Temple Mount – in their eyes the First and Second Temples never existed – and militantly pursue exclusive rights of religious worship there. More about Jerusalem at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2007/12

  • Robert Bernier

    No rights to Arabs on Jerusalem
    Arabs and/or Muslims have no historical rights on Jerusalem. In the days of Muhammad, who died in 632 c.e., Jerusalem was a Christian-occupied city within the Byzantine Empire. Jerusalem was captured by caliph Omar only in 638 c.e. About 80 years after Muhammad died, Malik's son, Abd el-Wahd ‒who ruled in 705-715‒ reconstructed the Christian-Byzantine Church of St. Mary and converted it into a mosque, he named it El-Aqsa, so it would sound like the one mentioned in the Koran as described at :
    http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2007/12

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1308914033 facebook-1308914033

    I have found it most annoying to have listened to various newscasts, including those on NPR, whereby Gilo is referred to as “East Jerusalem.” Doesn't anyone know his/her geography anymore? Gilo is in the southern part of Jerusalem.
    Won't one person openly admit that the Palestinians are lucky that they are even allowed to live in any part of Jerusalem. Enough!

  • Steve

    Is there anybody out there so ignorant about the “Palestinians” wanting their own land, and once they get it, peace and harmony will break out? Obama and Company better wake up and smell the reality. The Muslims in that region want it all — lock, stock and barrel. Read the Hamas charter. They want all Israel to themselves and all Jews to disappear from that region. Another Holocaust folks, that's what! And once the Jews are gone, the Muslims will want Europe, then after that America will be ripe for the harvest. When will US policy makers learn about “taqiyya” and “kitman” as part of Islamic strategy?

  • CowboyUp

    peak for yourself, this American thinks Israel should have made the 'palestinians,' lose land every time they attacked Israel. If every time some Ahole launched an artillery rocket or mortar into an Israeli town, Israel sent back a 155 barrage across the launch point( which is usually in a residential area), they'd leave the Israelis alone. Their own people would make them. Instead they play the Israelis and world for chumps, but I'm no chump. Hezz, hamas, ij, and fatah are terrorists with American blood on their hands, and we should be killing them ourselves every chance we get.

    The US State Department seems to cause brain damage to almost everybody in it. Citing them is a red flag, no matter which party holds the WH. Telling Jews that they can't live in the city they founded is a symptom of that acquired stupidity, as is telling Israelis to keep making accommodations for, and giving concessions to, people who don't even recognize Israel's right to exist. I can understand restraining Israel from properly defending themselves only as a temporary measure, while the USA goes after the monster the tentacles belong to, Iran (or more accurately, the mad mullahs), but we have stopped short in the GWOT. I see no reason for Israel to hold back at all.

    Gotta leave for work, will add more later, or over the weekend.

  • jackbelias

    How typical of radical democrats to make up BS then claim it to be well established law. The US doesnt really have any standing to declare a “settler violation”, and there is no 67 border.

    What is disturbing here is how the white house treats an old friend. The sacred people of color Obama feels such a strong connection to dont really have a historic claim to the land occupied by the evil light skinned demons. Their homeland is really Jordan, if they want landspace why not ask it of Jordan? Sacred people of color live there too so of course no leftist nor a certain Kenyan living at 1600 PA Ave will want to have any sit downs with them. Some light skinned subhuman devils have some land somewhere else and are somehow indebted to the whims of a superior group of people.

    As far as the Kenyan and his commitment to Isreali security, dont count on it. His personal website is moderated in a way that suggests “hate speech” does not include openly calling for the total extermination of all jews. Add that to the scum the Kenyan surrounds himself with and what we get is Hitler with a serious sun tan.

  • CowboyUp

    You mean the peace treaties the 'palestinians' rejected or never kept to begin with? There's no location in Israel or the pa the 'palestinians' don't think they are 'supposed to have.' That's the problem.

  • CowboyUp

    Just because everyone else is stupid and unreasonable, doesn't mean I'll go along. If Israel really intended what you say, there wouldn't be a 'palestinian ' left in the pa. The pa could be developing the WB themselves, but they are too busy killing and destroying. They live as they decide to, they are responsible for the consequences.

  • Steven L

    For the world, it does not matter what the Jews consider what Jerusalem represents.The world accepts that Muslims are intitle to 3, 4 or hundreds of holy sites. The Christians are in title to Rome and the Jews, who cares if not the Jews.

  • LindaRivera

    Taqiyya! – Islamic LIES! There NEVER was an Arab country of Palestine. Jerusalem was NEVER the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Jewish Bible, not once in the Koran.

    The inalienable rights of Jews to the Biblical heartland must not be violated! No one is demanding Muslims surrender THEIR top religious areas of Mecca and Medina!

    In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza, ethnically cleansing all Jews and in 1948, Jordan invaded Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, ethnically cleansing all Jews.

    In violent opposition to G-D, Muslim Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. The jihad is against the Holy One.

    When Israel won the Arab war of aggression in 1967, Jews returned to the areas of their ancestral homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Anti-Israel propaganda deceitfully calls Jews' legitimate return “occupation”.

    Jews have had a continuous presence in physical and spiritual homeland Israel for 4000 years.

    All Land and Property Stolen from Jews in the 1948 Islamic Invasion Must be Returned!

  • LindaRivera

    US/EU/UN know all about taqiyya!

  • Raymond in DC

    I challenge you to name a single city that ever served as the capitol of two countries. You can't. Because no nation that ever compromised its capitol would have lasted long. East Jerusalem was never Jordan's capitol – indeed, it was rather neglected the entire time they held it – but it nonetheless served as a flashpoint between the two countries.

    Get real. A divided Jerusalem with PA security forces in control while “resistance fighters” roamed free would render Jerusalem unlivable for Jews.

  • LindaRivera

    JEWISH Refugees must be compensated in LAND & FINANCES!
    Around, and after 1948, one million Jews suffered violent religious Jew cleansing from Arab countries. Arab governments seized the land, farms, homes, hospitals, schools, businesses and bank accounts of the Jews.

    Most Jewish refugees fled to Israel where the religious terror war against Jews never stops.

    Cruel global war is fought to subjugate all humanity under merciless Islamic sharia law where defenseless non-Muslims have no human rights-it is unacceptable to Islamics for Jews to have self-rule in tiny Israel.

    The 1948 Jewish refugees and their descendants who make up about half of Israel's Jewish citizens MUST be compensated in land and finances!

    See:
    http://www.theforgottenrefugees.com/

  • LindaRivera

    Powerful elites DECEIVE for totalitarian, colonizing Islam.

    Arabs first started calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1967. Global terrorist, Egyptian Arafat was the first leader of this new people. Partner with Arafat for over 40 years; immorally respected by the US/EU-Holocaust denier, PA/PLO Muslim leader, Abbas, financed the massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games.

    Before 1948, Jews were known as the Palestinians.
    The Jewish newspaper, the Jerusalem Post was called the Palestine Post. The Jewish-founded electric company was Palestine Electric. The Palestinian Symphony Orchestra was all Jewish. During World War II, the British army had a Palestinian Brigade made up entirely of Jewish volunteers.

    After Jews migrated to Palestine in significant numbers in the late 1800s and miraculously transformed desert and swamps into rich, agricultural land, Arabs came in large numbers from Arab countries for jobs from Jews.

    The fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by a one-time special UN decree: that any Arab who had resided in Palestine for only two years before 1948, and then left, would be considered a refugee and so would his descendants!

    Throughout history, people were never regarded as refugees if they had resided in a country for only two years because they were clearly citizens of other countries!

  • Raymond in DC

    Quite the contrary, for years the worse the State Department could come up with is that settlements were “not helpful”. Indeed, a number of international jurists have insisted for years that Israeli legal claims on the territories trump those of its challengers.

    J. L. Brierly, who wrote some of the earliest works on international law would roll his eyes on what passes as such today. The claim that settlements are “illegal” has its source in the simple assertion by the ICRC that it's so – the same Red Cross that refused to accept Magen David Adom because it used the Star of David as its emblem.

  • Steven L

    Perhaps you should educate yourself and learn what the Balfour declaration is about.

  • Steven L

    From day 1 the Muslim Arabs have rejected Israel and continue to do everything to destroy this country. The only time they will accept Israel is when Isreal will be unable to defend itself and they are waiting for the Occident to do this job while actively condoning and supporting antisemitism and antizionism with billions of petro$.

  • Steven L

    The truth is:

    How the Jews of Israel (such a minuscule entity) dare resisting the will of the mighty Arab Muslims and Occident!

    That is more than Chutzpah!

    When you are right you fight for it!

  • bubba4

    Um…I didn't say I agreed with it…but it is a fact. That's why he said it was “dangerous”…sorry the writer just seem so perplexed.

    Maybe FPM should try to not put words in people's mouths…or lie about what people think/do.

  • LucyQ

    If Jerusalem is a settlement, America is a settlement. The one thing I give Obama credit for is uniting the Israelis.

  • howardreed

    Boy Bam can't seem to get it through his pointy little RED head that Jerusalem is part and parcel of the Promise Land given as an inheritence to Israel by God Jehovah. Jerusalem also happens to be the city ruled by Melchezedek, a priest of the Most High God during Abraham's day. It then was removed from the Jebusites by King David and was hence called the City of David. Then God personally stated he would rule from His City of Zion. What more can be pounded into that thick skull.

    The Turban Torpedo

  • bubba4

    Oh I see…you want to argue with someone who thinks this is a good idea. I don't sorry….

    I was just stating the obvious. The whole article is about making Obama's comment a threat to Israel and support for whatever the writer wants to make up.

  • CowboyUp

    Agree, disagree, it doesn't matter. The 'palestinians' object just as strongly to Israel's very existence, and will never lack an excuse to attack Israel as long as Israel exists. They will violently object to Jews building anywhere on the WB, it's all 'their' sacred ground, their ummah. In fact, according to their publicly broadcast official sermons, the whole world is.

    Their current excuse for this particular neighborhood is irrelevant, and ignoring it doesn't make the author dishonest, much less a liar.

  • CowboyUp

    Has he? Thanks for a silver lining.

    Every settlement is a settlement (though this is a neighborhood), wherever and whenever it is. We shouldn't even play their silly word game on that. Rather highlight the obvious fact that the Israelis spend most of their money developing, and the 'palis' spend most of theirs on destroying, then get upset when they look around them and almost all the development is Israeli. The Israelis shouldn't and can't be justly faulted or penalized for the palis stupidity, and demonstations of their unfitness to govern or administer so much as an outhouse.

  • andyFree

    Netanyahu wants International Law (almost all of it written or re-written by the US at the Nuremberg trials) changed so that attacking Gaza last December can be declared “legitimate”. Perhaps others will support him.

    But Israel is already the only nation in the world that has been allowed to keep territory it acquired by force (that's what SC Resolution 242 effectively ratified in November 1967). So it's not going to get a second bite of the cherry and keep East Jerusalem. They're probably entitled to occupy it until there's a permanent agreement but they're most certainly not entitled to settle their own citizens in there. That's what the Nazis wanted Lebensraum for and that's what we banned, for ever. The settlers who stay will become citizens of the Palestinian state.

    Actually, no Jew has fled persecution since 1994, the settlers cannot fill the property they've got and Israelis have seen the writing on the wall. They're emigrating faster than anyone is immigrating.

  • bubba4

    Who cares what the arabs and jews are doing as long as it makes your head explode from impotent rage.

  • PAthena

    andyFree wants to rewrite international law so that Israel cannot fight back against enemies attacking it, in this case, Hamas in Gaza? What country was ever held to the standards of the Goldstone Report?
    “Palestine” was the name given to Judea after the Roman Emperor Hadrian defeated the last Jewish rebellion under Bar Kochba in 135 A.D. The name then became synonymous with “land of the Jews” or “the Holy Land” (Jesus being a Jews), and “Palestinian” was synonymous with “Jew.” That is why the Zionists wanted the “Palestine Mandate.” The Arabs living in the old Palestine Mandate took on the name “Palestinian” after the Soviet Union and Gamal Nasser founded the “Palestine Liberation Organization” (P.L.O.) in Cairo in 1964. The history rewrite about these Arabs is from Soviet propaganda.
    andyFree might read the Bible to find out about the history of the Jews in the land of Israel.
    The Obama administration asks for no concessions for peace from the Arab enemies of Israel. There would be peace if they were not waging war against Israel.

  • andyFree

    International Law is not an invention of Muslims or even Europeans . It was largely written and re-written by the US in 1945. Goldstone gave Israel a free pass on the most important war-crime, whether or not there was a Nuremberg defined “unprovoked attack” – did Israel break a working cease-fire? Is Israel afraid of testing it in court?

    Israel's already had one free pass, in 1967 it got to hold onto land it seized by force, the only nation ever to have been granted that. Now it wants another free pass, to hold onto East Jerusulem on the same basis. It's not going to happen.

    And it's not going to happen because every Israeli professional

  • Peter

    “But Israel is already the only nation in the world that has been allowed to keep territory it acquired by force (that's what SC Resolution 242 effectively ratified in November 1967″

    It was Jordan which illegally acquired the West Bank and E Jerusalem by force in a “War of Annihilation” against Israel in 1947 and the rest of the world looked on while they cleansed their newly acquired territories of Jews. Israel captured those lands in a defensive war of survival in 1967. The Arabs were playing for keeps in 1967. They lost fair and square and they've been crying about “occupation” ever since as Jews are now allowed to return to Judea and Samaria.

    “That's what the Nazis wanted Lebensraum for and that's what we banned, for ever.”

    There's no equivalence. Lebensraum was about seizing territory from other countries in aggressive wars of conquest. Israel's territory has shrunk since 1979. They gave Sinai to Egypt, South Lebanon back to Lebanon, Gaza to to Hamas and areas of the PA to the Palestinians. And what have they got in return? More call's for Israel's destruction. Land For Peace does not work!

  • americaneagle

    not that it matters what other countries recognize or not. You start a war. You loose land. It does not belong to you. Any of the many UNILATERAL concessions israel has made to the mad muslims at the behest of “international community” (read: looney left) is a concession one too many. Madness of Islam is a congenital defect. Looney-ness of the Left is progressive degenerative disease. Neither should be pandered to. In fact, Israel should clear the whole land between the river and ocean pro-actively, then seal the borders and then go after syria, egypt, iran, and Hezbollah. Finish the job, once and for all. To hell with Barack Hussein, and the “international community”. For the historically challenged: there WAS a palenstine created for the “palestinians”—it is called Jordan, now. When the left and madmen were done, israel was left with less than 10% of the land which went under the name of “Satrapy of Palenstine” under the Ottoman rule. If you can't help israel survive, the least you all “bleeding-heart” nut jobs can do is—Leave the poor bastards alone. Sans your meddling and strong-arming, they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.This is a nation that on the day it was born, beat back 5 hyenas attacking it from five sides—with deck expressly stacked against them. We americans should learn something from them.

  • CowboyUp

    Lol, don't hold your breath waiting for me to get mad or for my head to explode, and I've at least 20 years of potency left. Sounds like projection, because my point is valid.

    Hope your day gets better than it apparently is, but you can forget about upsetting me.

  • CowboyUp

    Good post, many of us have learned from them. Many today forget, Israel was kicking their butts just as badly for their aggression when the IDF's weapons were far inferior to the arabs'.

  • CowboyUp

    Why would Netanyahu need to rewrite 'international law' to respond to attacks against Israel? Under the laws of war the IDF could have leveled Gaza like we leveled Berlin and Tokyo. Any government can enforce the laws of war Gaza, under the hamas government (there's your first fatal error), is firing artillery across the border into Israeli towns (they fired from Gaza again today). Targeting civilians is terror, and under the laws of war Israel can respond to the offenders however they see fit. As an elected government, the people of Gaza are responsible for their government, and their government is responsible for attacks across its' borders.

    The PRC kept Tibet and Mongolia, Russia took and kept Japan's Northern Islands, and just took Ossetia from Georgia (Bet they keep that), and North Vietnam conquered and kept South Vietnam. I guess you were forgetting the commies, but they get a pass on everything, don't they?

    In '67Israel was 'blessed' with being attacked by the combined arab armies for the third time in less than 20 years, they didn't have to stop until they took the capitals and occupied the nations that fielded the combined arab armies. Israel chose instead to stop at defensible borders. If Israel booted the arabs from the WB and Gaza, what could the rest of the world really do? There's nobody but the USA that could project the kind of power it would take, and there's no way we would. Maybe in 20 years the chicoms could, but the euros couldn't even stop Milosovich by themselves, and he was right on their doorstep.

    There's your dream world, and then there's reality.

  • Lary9

    johnfor~ I support your comments, both in fact and tone, 100%. L9

  • Lary9

    jackbelias~ Do I understand you correctly as stating that Obama openly advocates the genocide of Jews? That not only is the President a radical Democrat but a Nazi as well? If so then you are a self-marginalizing fool.

  • jackbelias

    Have you ever visited your messiahs website? The moderator removes posts considered “hateful” yet leaves posts calling for Jews to be wiped out. Try to imagine a republican president having a website whos moderator removed all “hateful” posts yet left the ones calling for the elimination of illegal aliens. What would your reaction be? If school children were made to sing songs praising him as a holy figure would your reactions be positive? When celebrities came forward saying that they would devote the rest of their mortal lives to spreading his gospel rather than serving the republic what would your reaction be?

    The radical left has become very anti semitic of late. Have you been too caught up in the excitement of the second coming to pay attention to Americas political winds? I know the return of Christ is a big deal for you retards, but you should still be able to notice the obvious.

    This holy jerk off you people have been waiting thousands of years for is turning out to not be such a nice guy after all. Perhaps he should go back and wait another few thousand years to return? He seems to have hit his head on the way down this time around. He displays a dislike for the ideals of our republic, yet seems very faithful to the extreme ideals of his party. America gets the shaft while the party celebrates with joy the opportunity to bleed it dry and leave its rotting corpse at the wayside.

    When did mindless party robots like you become the norm? Since when did we need a freedom from feeling offended rather than freedom of speech? Since when did we find a need to limit what Americans could gain for themselves? Why the assumed right to pick and choose from the constitution while rewording and redefining what little your mobish party decides to keep? Why do school children need to praise the president in song?

    Men died to grant us the only free nation the earth had ever seen. They built the only nation state to devote itself to the rights of the individual while promising limits on govt. What your mob has done to what they paid the ultimate price for with the leadership of this holy one can never be forgiven. YOU MADE US LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!

    I am marginalized by your mob as I am still an American, not an Obomian like your majority. I took an oath to defend the republic and its constitution from its enemies foreign and domestic. I will not submit to your utopia or your party. There are many like me out here. We belong to no party and we dont wait for messiahs to praise mindlessly, we have faith only in the ideals of the republic. Know that the progressive Obamaland you have replaced our republic with will never have peace, we will never allow it.

  • andyFree

    You'll have to ask Netanyahu why he wants to change International Law – but raising the subject is a dead give-away that Israel committed war-crimes this time, as even the pro-Israel JPost thought worth reporting http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1256

    Yet Goldstone didn't even look at the most serious International Crime, the “waging of Aggressive War”. Hamas almost eliminated the rockets in 2008 (down from 380/month to 7/month, 98%) – until Israel broke the cease-fire, first killing another 7 Gazans and then carrying out an Hannukah invasion they'd planned for at least 6 months. Bluster all you like, everyone who matters knows what happened. (See page 10 of this pro-Israel source http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimed…)

    And re-writing 1967 won't wash for you either. Everyone knows what Moshe Dayan (the war's author) told us, Israel had long been seizing territory and started a war for the purpose of seizing more. (Rami Tal is an Israeli journalist who recalls his astonishment at hearing Moshe Dayan saying it, 2minutes and 20 seconds into this YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hrjTvWZkgY)

    The world is changing fast and world-leadership by China is going to be much nastier than what the US has been doing. Israelis live on the same continent as China and they understand dangers that Americans can only guess. Super-power China has no truck with small countries. The JPost again: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207… – “ideological crisis Israel is facing over the record-low – and shrinking – aliya figures.”

    Sorry to keep repeating “Everyone knows” – but it's true!

  • andyFree

    Almost everyone in the West was fooled by the propaganda of “1967 defensive war”. But it no longer cuts any ice and you can partly blame Moshe Dayan for spilling the beans.

    And, even while people believed the story that Israel had spun, nobody thought Israel could hold onto the new territory it thought it had acquired – Resolution 242 in 1967 granted Israel what it had seized in 1948 – but it came at a price, the preambular paragraph of it emphasized “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war.”

    Netanyahu wants the law on war-crimes changed – he will not get that, and he won't get carte-blanche to keep territory seized in 1967 either!

  • BS77

    Judea and Samaria should be part of Israel proper. The so called West Bank is a fiction that has taken on a life of its own, just like the fictional “Palestinian State”….Palestinians are Jordanian Arabs and Bedouins…there are no Palestinians…..Jerusalem is mentioned hundreds of times in the Bible…not once in the Koran. Let's get real.

  • BS77

    I like settlements…lots more settlements. Israel is Judea and Samaria. THe Muslim nations occupy lands 1000 times greater than tiny Israel…but they are not content …no, they must have the West Bank, then Jerusalem, then all of Israel….Muslims outnumber Jews by over 100 to 1, but see, tiny Israel is the “aggressor”….all you liberal dupes have been brainwashed by the endless propaganda and lies spewed out by radical anti semites like Norm Finkelstein and his insect followers. Stand with Israel. SUpport Israel's defense and people. Israel is the only pluralistic, democratic and modern nation in that horrible, squalid region…

  • LucyQ

    Right. It's such a stupid argument, 'does Israel have the right to exist?' that only the true anti-Semites such as Pat Buchanan, even bother.

    I looked for your post you said you'd place at the bottom of the thread the other day on another thread and it wasn't there……it took forever and a day to scroll all the way down but did it. If it happens again, start the new message at the top…..lol.

  • LucyQ

    Israel has the right to self-defense whether it's one rocket or 1,000 rockets. All it takes is one to land in an extremely populated area and there would be thousands of deaths.

    The right to self-defense trumps any and all international treaties for every member nation. I hope Israel keeps using her excellent intelligence to find and keep all the bombs, rockets and machine guns that Iran sends to Hamas…….what does international law say about that?

  • nesivos

    When Feiglin becomes Prime Minister, within the next couple of years, whatever America wants with regards to Israel will become irrelevant.

  • Yehuda

    The very existence of Israel “embitters” most Arabs, so does the US President expect Israel to peacefully fade away to please them?
    Under international law that was determined in 1922 by the Council of the League of Nations the entire western part of The land of Israel between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River was acknowledged legitimately to become the renascent Jewish nation-state. Anyone who denies this is flouting legality.

  • antifascist18

    Chimp Out by 012, and his fellow Democratic Nazi Party members in Congress who are about to shove a totalitarian lethal care plan down our throats much sooner.

    And for those offended by me calling our little pew-sitting, coward and liar piece of crap a Chimp, tough. You were calling a REAL MAN AND PRESIDENT, Bush, much worse the past 8 years. He protected us and supported our allies, Jeremiah Wright's little boy betrays and screws us.

    Chimp Out.

  • Lary9

    I was glad to give you a soap box for further frothy hyperbole.

  • LindaRivera

    To andyfree:

    Col. Richard Kemp, a British commander in Bosnia and Afghanistan
    stated: “The Israel Defense Forces did more to SAFEGUARD the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare. ” (Guardian-UK)

    Goldstone Gaza Report: Col. Richard Kemp Testifies at U.N. Emergency Session
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo&feat

  • LindaRivera

    To andyfree

    Hamas/PA Target JEWISH INNOCENTS. Israel Targets Terrorists

    Elites oppose Jews defending themselves from thousands of rocket attacks.

    In a military response several years overdue, Israel warned Gaza civilians via loudspeakers, thousands of leaflets and 200,000 telephone calls urging evacuation of battle areas. The IDF aborted missile strikes to prevent civilian casualties, opened a field clinic for Muslims on Gaza's border, and constantly gave humanitarian aid whilst Hamas waged WAR against innocent Israeli civilians.

    The Islamics commit war crimes: they use human shields; hide behind women and children; wage war from densely populated areas, store and fire rockets from residential buildings, schools, hospitals & mosques to deliberately MAXIMISE Arab injuries and deaths so that when Israel fires back in self defense and accidentally kills civilians, the Islamics scream to the world, but the blood of the Arabs is on the heads of the Islamics.

    Hamas Charter of RELIGIOUS HATE and Genocide of Non-Muslims:
    'Israel, by virtue of its being Jewish and of having a Jewish population, defies Islam and the Muslims. Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

    It is not about land, it's about intense religious hate that demands the mass murder of non-Muslim innocents. Jews are targeted first.

    An Israeli hospital treated a Muslim woman-she returned strapped with a bomb belt to blow up amongst the Jewish doctors and nurses who helped her.

    Hezbollah leader Nasarallah:

    If they (Jews) all gather in Israel, it will save us the trouble of going after them worldwide. (Daily Star, Oct. 23, 2002)

    Hamas TV video teaches that bombs that kill Israelis are more precious to an Arab mother than her children.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y

    Religious HATE and Religious MURDER of Jews and other non-Muslims is taught in mosques worldwide.

    Palestinian Authority Muslims CELEBRATE 9/11 Murders of 3,000 American innocents.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

    The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish mother, Tali Hatuel, and 4 little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004.

    Muslim killers of Jewish children are adored-Palestinian Authority newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida called savage child-killer Kuntar “a beacon of light” and an “authentic role model.” Palestinian Authority leader, Abbas, called Kuntar a hero. Syria's Assad said Kuntar was chief among honorable men and awarded Kuntar Syria's highest medal, the Syrian Order of Merit.

    ISRAELINSIDER.COM
    Thousands of Palestin
    ians again celebrate attacks, videotape suppressed
    By Ellis Shuman and israelinsider staff September 16, 2001

    On Friday and Saturday, thousands of Palestinians again paraded through cities in the West Bank and Gaza, celebrating the attacks on the United States.
    “Jubilant Palestinians took to the streets of refugee camps of Lebanon and the West Bank, waving Palestinian flags and distributing sweets to celebrate the attacks.

    “Palestinian policemen celebrating and shooting into the air, in addition to civilians dancing,”
    …Arab students at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem held a party Tuesday night celebrating the attacks and giving out candy to participants.
    http://www.israelinsider.com/channels/diplomacy

    Hamas Member of Parliament Fathi Hammad, February 29, 2008 on Al-Aqsa TV that for PA Arabs, “death has become an industry at which women excel… The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children.”

    Translated by MEMRI, Hammad : “This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.”

    There has not been a single Muslim street demonstration to protest the cruel, massive Islamic attacks on non-Muslims in New York, Bali, India, Phillipines, Israel, London, Beslan, Madrid and more.

    ACJ – Vilified: TELLING LIES ABOUT ISRAEL
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op5vT3vnfOk

  • jjk770

    From 1948 – 1967 the Jordanian “occupation” was not recognized by the international community, so you can't argue now that we are occupying somebody else's land and certainly not Palestinian land. It was never theirs to begin with.

  • jjk770

    From 1948 – 1967 the Jordanian “occupation” was not recognized by the international community, so you can't argue now that we are occupying somebody else's land and certainly not Palestinian land. It was never theirs to begin with.

  • jjk770

    Type your reply…

  • imgood

    I believe you are mistaken, johnfor. The relevant U.N. Security Council Resolutions of the time do not characterise the Israelis who inhabit the territories as unlawful. The Palestinians were, and remain, unwilling to settle the conflict, and are, as such, belligerents. Traditionally, a victor at war was permitted to occupy and have its population settle a territory for security purposes until a resolution could be achieved. After the war of 1967, the Arab states and PLO (a dictatorial terrorist organisation declared by Arab dictators to be the “sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people”) answered the Israeli offer of peace with the “three Nos,” A decade later, while Egypt and Israel were concluding a peace treaty as part of the first Camp David talks, the Palestinians refused to even discuss autonomy, a process which by 1990 would likely have led to a state. During the period between 1993 and 2000, successive Israeli governments offered Palestinians more than 95% of the territories (including the extremely generous Ehud Barak offer in 2000). The Palestinians, as usual, increased their demands beyond reason, and when the Israelis did not grant the wish of the Palestinians that the Israelis commit suicide, the Palestinians began a new round of terror. Most of the people who condemn the Israeli settlers support regimes who violate human rights and international law in much more egregious ways than they suppose Israel does.

  • andyFree

    For starters, that's not true – it was to be a “national home”, not a state. Statements such as “Palestine to be as Jewish as France is French” were condemned by the International community eg Churchill. Nor was it International Law, it was a treaty long superseded by subsequent treaties.

    But for second, Zionists cannot claim support from International Law now unless they themselves abide by it – and they refuse to do so.

  • andyFree

    Would you accept an argument blaming the Jews for hatred of them and violence towards them by the Germans?

    No? Well in that case, your demonising Muslims now is an open invitation to a new Holocaust.

    Now, granted, Israel (or top politicians in the Knesset) has so far only threatened to murder a few 10s of 1000s of Lebanese, all Palestinian politicians (including Israeli citizens!) and drown 100s in the Dead Sea, but their words are more threatening than anything that came from the Nazis.

    Or do you want us to believe there is nothing to be learned from the Holocaust?

  • andyFree

    Occupation is not illegal. What is illegal (and for very good reasons, think Lebensraum) is moving your citizens into the occupied region. Unless you're going to tell us the Nazis did nothing wrong, you have to oppose settlements.

    As does the whole of the world! Even including Israel's proxy, the US.

  • bearone7777

    Hello,
    The Holy-Land is not for sale, and I will be damned to hell if I do not say this. There is no President, or anybody else in this world that can tell Israel where to build on there own country. Remember I said COUNTRY. I a so fed-up with everybody is saying. If you do not know what you are saying please just shut up, and do not post. Israel does not need any IDIOTS posting anythng about what they have no knowledge of. Please just shut up and leave this site.