The Left’s War Against the Boy Scouts – by Dennis Prager

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Watching the left attempting to undo the greatness of American medicine and dismantle the unprecedentedly powerful American economic engine built almost entirely on non-governmental entrepreneurial effort, I realize once again that the left is far better at destroying than building.

I first realized this as I watched the left — and here I sadly include the whole organized left from liberal to far left — do whatever it could to destroy one of the most wonderful organizations in American life, the Boy Scouts of America . From Democratic city governments to the New York Times and other liberal editorial pages to the most destructive organization on the left, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), there has been the most concerted effort to break the Boy Scouts.

When challenged about this, fellow Americans on the left respond that this is a false accusation, that they have no desire to destroy the Boy Scouts, only to coerce the organization into accepting as scouts and scout leaders boys and men who have announced they are gay.

This is not an honest response, however, because the left is in fact doing whatever it can to destroy the Boy Scouts until the Boy Scouts change their policy on gays. The left-wing position is that if the Boy Scouts do not change a policy that has been in place since the inception of the organization, they do not deserve to exist.

Therefore it is entirely accurate to state that the left wishes to destroy the Boy Scouts as that organization now exists. No matter how much good the Boy Scouts have done and continue to do for millions of boys, for the left, all this good amounts to nothing.

For the left in this instance, as in most instances, the attitude is: Destroy the imperfect in order to build the perfect.

There is no left-wing Boy Scouts. The left knows best how to crush the non-left Boy Scouts, but it has never made a boys organization of its own.

Likewise with individual lives devoted to the poor. Sure, there are secular and left-wing organizations devoted to the poor, but the individuals who give up their lives to the poorest in America and the world, like the members of Salvation Army at home and the Mother Teresas abroad, are overwhelmingly religious (and to be fair, Christian).

I just spent Thanksgiving week in Zambia and benighted Zimbabwe with my teenage son to help an organization give out mosquito nets and seed to the poorest of the poor. The organization that brought us there, Rock of Africa, is a Christian organization that works with the destitute in Zimbabwe . As with a larger, also Christian-based, organization that I have worked with for nearly two years (full disclosure: It periodically sponsors my radio show), Cure International, all those affiliated with the organization get nothing or almost nothing for their work.

Why do the doctors who work at, and those who build, Cure International’s hospitals in places like Honduras , Uganda and Afghanistan and the volunteers of Rock of Africa do their work? Because they believe that their faith demands that they do (I have no religious agenda here, as I am Jewish, not Christian). The number of Christians and Christian organizations doing self-sacrificing work around the world is large and impressive. Now, there are also secular organizations doing magnificent work in the poorest parts of the world — Doctors Without Borders is a well-known example — but I would bet that the number of religious individuals who give their lives for virtually no pay to the worst off in America and around the world is far greater than the number of irreligious individuals.

And just as there is no left-wing Boy Scouts, there is no Salvation Army built and manned by people with left-wing values. Nor has there ever been a left-wing country as magnanimous, as willing to die for others, as opportunity-giving to people from all over the world, as America , whose greatness comes from its traditional secular values and its Judeo-Christian values. As with the Boy Scouts, the left can bring an America down, but it cannot build one.

  • USMCSniper

    The age-of-consent issue has always been advocated by gay rights organizations and most loudly by the North American Man-Boy Love Association. A central leader of this group is David Thorstad, who . . . argues that supporters of gay rights must take up the fight against all age-of-consent laws. . . .

    The campaign around this demand has everything to do with the totally progressive stance of defending the right of teenagers not to be penalized for their sexual activity. Homomsexuals that are advocates of repealing age-of-consent laws are primarily homosexual adult men who believe they should be unrestricted in having sex with children.

    Why do you think they want to be scoutmasters and the ACLU and the left back them? To recruit their chickens.

  • andrewnitzberg

    Understanding how difficult it is to create something good and lasting on the one hand and how relatively easy it is to destroy is an observation that seriously undermined my radical left committment.

    President Clinton had a sign in the white House breakfast area, “we must not make the merely good the enemy of the perfect” that sustained my support for his administration.

    Your point: conservatives and sincerely religious people make important and sustained contributions to civilization and the welfare of all of our citizens is an important one. It needs to be emphasized instead of the nonsense about religion causing wars and citing the Crusades.

    The issue you suggest is: how can we highlight your important insight about the contributions of conservatives and sincerely religious persons ?

  • http://www.netzarim.co.il/ Renovator

    Using the phrase “Judeo-Christian” undermines your own arguments. “Judeo” implies pro-Torah while “Christian” implies “antinomian” superseding and displacing of Torah with the NT and Christianity: anti-Torah. So “Judeo-Christian” means “pro-Torah anti-Torah superseding and displacing of Torah” and exposes a naked and baseless presumption of supersession and displacement by Christians who “assume” this oxymoron. How often does input from, say, an Orthodox rabbi complete a “Judeo-Christian” claim?

    You could easily eliminate this logical flaw from your arguments by preferring either “Jewish and Christian…” or simply “Christian…”

  • bubba4

    Well thanks for nothing Prager. The Scouts need to be defended and details of these cases needs to be discussed, but because everything bad in your world is “left” you end up saying absolutely nothing. All you say is that a bad force is destroying America…

    There is no left-wing boy scouts just like there is no right-wing boy scouts…it's not about politics. I have had occasion to hear bits of your radio show in the morning and it's about the same thing. You can't even go do some charity work in Africa without thinking about how much better the “right” is than the “left”. You probably look outside and if it's cloudy you say the weather is a little “left” today.

  • poptoy1949

    This is a shame. Leave the Boy Scouts alone. Big city values are killing this country and all that is sacred.

  • poptoy1949

    Now Bubba 4 calm down. Mr. Prager means well.

  • suprkufrb

    As a parent of a child sexually abused by his scoutmaster, a VERY common phenomenon, I'm not persuaded that they're so anti-gay as they'd like us to think.
    “Methinks the [scout movement] doth protest too much…”

  • AndyFree

    There could be something genuine in this complaint, but it's rendered worthless by many of the comments wrapped up in the same essay.

    eg there are explanations for “America's greatness” that bear no relation to what's being argued here. Introduce flag-waving into the debate and you kill all possibility of rational solution.

    But then the discussion as presented here isn't rational anyway – eg you cannot simultaneously laud secularism and laud “Judeo-Christian values”.

  • jerryglenn

    I have heard that the United States Postal Service is not planning a stamp to honor the Boy Scouts on the occasion of their 100th birthday in 2010. We have met the enemy and it us us.

  • WTF_Idiots

    “Watching the left attempting to undo the greatness of American medicine and dismantle the unprecedentedly powerful American economic engine built almost entirely on non-governmental entrepreneurial effort, I realize once again that the left is far better at destroying than building.”

    You CAN'T be serious. The greatness of American medicine??? Tens of MILLIONS of people are completely unisured, and millions more are underinsured. People WITH insurance are getting tossed out of their homes because they get cancer and use up their lifetime maximum in the first 6 months of treatment. People DIE sitting in emergency rooms waiting for treatment because they don't have insurance and waited until they were too sick to get help. If you think America's healthcare system is “great,” then you're a delusional idiot. PERIOD. Have you seen where we rank globally? Near the bottom, you blind right wing ideologue.

    And the economy??? WTF is wrong with you? We've spent nearly a TRILLION dollars in Iraq, while our own brothers and sisters languish without jobs or healthcare. Your heroes Dick and Bush ran up more debt than any administration IN HISTORY. More jobs were lost, more 401k's, more of our national treasure… than ever before.

    You people are so blind to reality it's sickening. Because the only people who pay are the American people. I honestly you could all be rounded up and locked away somewhere so you couldn't f**k things up for everybody else anymore.

  • rogert

    Your “implication” is of your own invention, from an apparent bias. Christianity, that is true Christianity, involves the acceptance of both Old and New testaments…not a displacement of the one over the other.
    There is, quite literally, nothing in the new that contradicts the old. The belief that the New is a clarification and revelation of some “mysteries” of the Old is the basic foundation of Christianity. In the same way, the Old Testament is easily used to cast a light of deeper, more enriched, understanding upon the New.
    Christianity maintains the “chosen” status of the Jew and Israel, and their place in God's plan of Salvation and the coming Kingdom; while stressing that, for Salvation, The Christ of the New is The Messiah of the Old. Ergo, Judeo-Christian. For such a reason, it has been confessed by innumerable Jews that “Christians are the strongest friends of Israel and the Jew. As a student of Greek and Bible history, I find the Person of Christ throughout the Old and New.
    I began my early education under the tutelage of a distinguished Doctor of Theology who gave heavy credence to rabbinic teaching. I still find their sermons to be filled with Christ, whether they understand that or no. Again, I still find their writings to be in accord with Christianity, basically, whether they intend or not. Often I have seen them give an almost perfect Christian message; “perfection” being eluded solely by the exclusion of the Name…Jesus Christ. My journey has also place me under the teachings of Messianic Rabbis; always an enlightening experience.
    “Judeo-Christian” is in no way an oxymoron.

  • tlwinslow

    [[Using the phrase "Judeo-Christian" undermines your own arguments. "Judeo" implies pro-Torah while "Christian" implies "antinomian" superseding and displacing of Torah with the NT and Christianity]]

    That's richly ignorant. Actually, Judeo also implies pro-Talmud,, which is what is being referred to in the phrase Judeo-Christian, which acknowledges that the two have common roots in the Torah but went their own ways after that thing about Jesus being the son of God came up, along with being resurrected after the Jews got him executed by the Romans, and his new law fulfilling the law of the Torah without actually destroying it, and all that jazz, ask the 3K Christian sects for the details :)

  • USMCSniper

    Tell him to take his meds.

  • USMCSniper

    All advocates pf universal healthcare – i.e., “Socialized Medicine” that the only obstacles to universal health care are outmoded concepts of “ideology and personal choice.” They are is quite correct. Get rid of the ideas of individual rights and freedom of choice, and you remove all restraints on government power to rule individual lives. (That, itself, is the ideology of left wing ideologues WTF_Idiots.) Without this context, the debate is reduced to dueling pragmatists whose primary concern is who holds the reigns of political power. The result is a choice between Socialism and State Capitalism, neither of which offer much hope for health care.

    One side of the debate is condescending toward the unique American system and most things American. They avoid American principles in their admiration for socialism and collectivism elsewhere. The argument runs that America is the only industrialized country without “national” (i.e., government) health care. They do not mention that we are also the only country founded on an ideology based on inalienable rights and the U.S. Constitution. The other side of the argument is too often represented by those who claim admiration for all things American, but are often more interested in getting political credit for paternalistic handouts than principles.

    In the last forty years, the government share of health care spending in the United States has increased from under 10% to over 50%, while the remaining elements of the free market have fallen under increasing regulations. What is left is still the best in the world. Canadians, we are told, have a better system because they live longer than Americans. Are there other demographic factors involved—didn't they also live longer before they nationalized their heath care system? Is it a better system because, although some prescription drugs are sold at a lower price, many more are not available in Canada at all? Is it better because Canadians wait an average of 17 weeks for referral to a specialist? Is the fact that Canadians come to the United States to spend more than $1 billion a year on health care an indication that Canada has better health care? One wonders why this superior system resulted in the Canadian Supreme Court striking down the law forbidding private insurance “because access to a waiting list does not constitute access to health care.” Why did the Canadian Medical Association recently elect as their new President a physician who owns an illegal private clinic in British Columbia if they think Canada has a better system? Significant new spending by the federal government in Canada does not seem to be having much impact on improving the situation.

    Neither has huge additional spending on the National Health Service in Great Britain over the last seven years improved their health care. Two years ago, many British hospitals stopped providing heart bypass surgery to smokers. The waiting lists were so long that they wanted to give priority to non-smokers who responded better to surgery. Last year several regions stopped providing knee and hip replacements to overweight patients because their response to surgery was not as favorable as thin patients on the waiting lists. This year the British Medical Journal reports that physicians in the National Health Service are often no longer treating patients age 80 or over for strokes. These are examples of how government makes rationing decisions. Many patients in Great Britain who survive the waiting lists undoubtedly receive excellent care. Just don't smoke, gain weight or get old. British waiting lists have provided the world with one important service: they have given great impetus to the medical tourism industry, in countries like India, for British patients who would rather pay for surgery in India than endure a long wait for free surgery in Britain. This industry is now also providing Americans with cost-saving surgical options.

    The German government is presently struggling to increase taxes to pay for their health care system. Many other governments are looking for reforms and taking a step back from their government health care monopolies.

    Americans want to afford health care costs that have risen as the result of increasing longevity and new drugs and technology. But health care costs have also increased in tandem with federal government involvement and with state regulations such as insurance mandates. But the remaining free elements provide better care than foreign governments provide their citizens for a reason: freedom. Individual freedom and personal choice, rooted in American values, provide principled health care, moral health care, and the best health care. That is why it is the best in the world.

  • USMCSniper

    Nothing wrong with being anti sexual deviant and anti debauchery.

  • WTF_Idiots

    Do you think it's the “personal choice” of the 42 million people who are uninsured? Is it a “personal choice” to go into bankruptcy and lose your home because you and your family are overwhelmed with medical bills? The only people who care about “personal choice” when it comes to healthcare are people with jobs/employer-provided healthcare, and retired people on medicare – which is, let me remind you, government-sponsored.

  • rogert

    Just where is America ranked”near the bottom? Is that why those from Canada, and other social-medicine countries come to America for treatment??????
    “People die sitting in emergency rooms…” ????? People in socialized countries die at home waiting for appointments and treatment. Many more than in your scenario. They also die because the government denies treatment as too expensive and not worth it. Google “Oregon” in this country alone.
    You might do well to understand where most of the great research has taken place. Also where the vast majority of treatments and medicines were developed.
    The economy is in dire straights as much or more over the mishandling of financial institutions by governmental intrusion over private industry.
    The vastly larger part of those without health insurance is of those who can afford it, but choose not to. I am acquainted with one woman who has no insurance. She went to a county hospital and was see, admitted, cat-scanned, and treatment begun for a vital condition…all within 3 days. What horrible treatment!?!?
    Your complete argument is belied by the user name you go by. Profanity is the greatest tool of the weak in vocabulary. You cast out names of disparagement and throw around wild exaggerations. Typical of liberals, who have no sense of respect for another view. They resort…as you do…to profane filth and name calling. Obviously a product of liberal higher education. No facts…just wild accusations, profanity and name calling.
    The most fiscally irresponsible acts of government are those of the confiscatory nature defined categorically by the democrats. They cry “greed,” without mentioning the greed of those who refuse to earn for themselves, preferring to “greedily” prey upon the honest hard working people who choose not to suckle off of the teets of society.
    While conservatives have consistently held their elected officials accountable, this is rarely done by liberals, who refuse to accept any and all responsibility. As long as their pols play Robin Hood, they need not pay their taxes, may take bribes and will steal liberty from those who built its foundations upon their backs. Please…give us a break, give it a rest.

  • rogert

    Re: medicare…Which is, let me remind YOU…bankrupt! Is that a personal choice? For an irresponsible government, yes it is!
    bad things happen…get over it. People have lost their homes for a long, long time. For many reasons, the latest being that the liberal left loonies REQUIRED that the banks allow people to buy homes they can't afford. All because the government wanted to be “compassionate!” The Constitution does not promise things will not happen. It does guarantee the right to the freedom to try and make it not happen; or the freedom to make it back if it does.
    Every time the government steps in to circumvent “bad things” they do so by usurping the authority of the people. They do not do it for being wonderful, but for their own greed. Note, how they would force compliance upon the people while exempting themselves. Explain that one. A government with the power to take away your freedom…will do it every time! And they will enrich themselves at the expense of the workers who actually earn their living. Don't believe it? Then you truly live up to your user name.
    Now, go take your meds. The white coats have traced your location.

  • jackbelias

    Our healthcare system is not on the bottom. People are not dying by the countless billions on a daily basis right in the waiting rooms. Most Americans have health insurance through their employers. I had a nice PPO before I re enlisted.

    We spent money on war because we have very dangerous enemies around the globe. There is no shortage of bad guys in Iraq or Afghanistan. Ignoring them in the hopes that terrorists would just go away would never work regardless of what youthful life inexperienced leftists think. Our housing market collapsed because youthful leftists seemed to think that any 19 year old working at the local burger joint should be allowed a 6 million dollar loan to buy a beachside mansion in Malibu. YOU DESTROYED THE HOUSING MARKET! If banks had been allowed to deny loans to buyers based on inability to pay America wouldnt be in this mess. You falsly link lack of health insurance and a dying housing market to the war when the war has nothing to do with either.

    Leftists like you are destructive beyond words, your feelings of entitlement and bad attitudes brought on by sheltered upbringings have ruined a nation for real Americans. It is you who should be rounded up and punished for what you have done.

  • jackbelias

    Your scenerio would account for about 1% of home losses. Your angry youth movement just cant seem to grasp the fact that Bobby cant pay the mortgage on a malibu beachhouse while working 20 hours a week at Burger King. Sure you can make a law that says the bank has to loan him the money, but what do you do when he doesnt have the bread on the first? Youth never think of these things.

    You assume that everyone wants health insurance, this isnt true as many prefer to get treatment and just skip on the bill. Health insurance has to be paid for and those wanting a service for free arent going to fork over 200.00 plus per month when they know they will get what they need anyway.

    If angry democratic youth need socialism so bad why not just have a mass exodus back to Europe? It would be cheaper and easier than turning America into an exact mirror image of Europe.

  • WTF_Idiots

    “People have lost their homes for a long, long time.”

    HAHAHAHAHA. Wow. Yeah, so why stop it, right? Slavery went on for a really long time too… what the hell was Lincoln thinking? Christ.

    You're an idiot.

    Are you also aware that since 2006, home foreclosure rates have been breaking records pretty much every quarter? FOR THREE YEARS?

    You're an idiot.

  • WTF_Idiots

    The U.S. is probably near the top in medical research and technology… surely that's one reason. But here are some rankings, since you asked:

    #37 in overall healthcare delivery (World Health Organization)

    #14 in preventable deaths
    WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) – France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday. If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.

    #24 in life expectancy (WHO)

    #72 in healthcare performance. 72! (WHO)

    But we're #2 in healthcare spending – nearly 20% of GDP. So where does all that money go, if it's not actually being spent to help people? I'm sure you know where… you just don't want to admit it. I'll give you a hint – Aetna's CEO made $24 MILLION dollars in salary last year.

  • WTF_Idiots

    The U.S. is probably near the top in medical research and technology… surely that's one reason. But here are some rankings, since you asked:

    #37 in overall healthcare delivery (World Health Organization)

    #14 in preventable deaths
    WASHINGTON, Jan 8 (Reuters) – France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday. If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.

    #24 in life expectancy (WHO)

    #72 in healthcare performance. 72! (WHO)

    But we're #2 in healthcare spending – nearly 20% of GDP. So where does all that money go, if it's not actually being spent to help people? I'm sure you know where… you just don't want to admit it. I'll give you a hint – Aetna's CEO made $24 MILLION dollars in salary last year.

  • WTF_Idiots

    Ooops, I forgot one…

    U.S. has second worst newborn death rate in modern world, according to a recent study performed by Save the Children. The U.S. also has more neonatal doctors and neonatal intensive care beds than UK, Canada, and Australia combined.

  • rogert

    The foreclosure rates are all the results of the democrats forcing the low rates of interest and relaxed requirements. Clinton years! Thar's not a secret. So what, exactly, is your point? It would be nice to see one rational thing…but I guess that's a bit much to ask. You haven't made one yet. There are no guarantees for anything except for the freedom to try and earn it. I've tried, and I worked hard my whole life. Never got rich. In fact, I'm a long long way from being rich, but I don't begrudge any who are. Except maybe for some idiot actors and other so-called entertainers. Hmmm? Actor Idiots. Same last name as you…any relations there?

    However, I notice you are totally incapable of rational debate. Sans facts, you resort to name calling and profanity.

    Slavery? What a completely asinine remark.

    Wait til the democrats get the socialism they want. Then we will all see how Lincoln's thoughts were all for naught. Slavery will have returned…and Mr/Mrs/Ms WTF, Idiot will no longer need to work for a living.

  • diogenes

    All the info I have received from BSA is that the Post Office is releasing stamps for the 100th Anniversary.

    BSA has also tightened requirements for backgrounds checks on all leaders, and made youth protection training mandatory. Every council I have been in has been very serious on the matter.

    The BSA is being attacked because they refuse to yield on the “3 Gs”: God, gays, and girls. Religious belief of some kind (not limited to Christianity) will always be integral to the program. Gays will not be admitted. And girls will not be admitted into the core programs (Scouting and Varsity Scouting). Girls are allowed in some of the advanced programs (Venturing, Explorer, and Learning for Life) but even they they are not permitted to earn awards and advancements from the core programs.

    Alternate outdoors programs are available if the BSA does not match your political/religious views. The Royal Rangers are sponsored by a number of conservative churches. Camp Fire Girls and Boys exist for those who want a co-ed program, and Sprial Scouts exists for pagans (and is also co-ed, it appears). There are other programs as well, just look around.

    The BSA is being attacked because they won't change their core values. This is just another example of how the “tolerant” Left is only tolerant when y you agree with them.

  • 080

    Yes. But you have to realize that we are dealing with the make-it-up-as-you-go-along crowd. They are pulling a new civilization out of their behinds. Hegel dealt with this problem long ago.

  • jim

    funny thing is that you can still see a doc in canada or a specialist even if your broke unlike in the usa were you HAVE to have insurance or money befor you can even see a doc yes there is a shortage of doctors and specialists in canada and the goverment is trying to train and atract more but we dont have peaple dying from cancer because they cant aford medical insurance or because the insurance co claims the needed treatment is exprimental even when its not because its expensive i can recall visiting my aunt a nurse in watcom co. wa when she was doing home visits to dying poor cancer victems
    peaple that could have been saved but for being to poor and not so poor that they could get medicare how many more must die and loose eveything because of right wing binness above all idiots like you aposing univesal health care

  • rogert

    I will believe it after I have studied your numbers. Then looked to see how they arrived at these numbers. Not before. Your rantings and name calling do not lend credence. Having been in the health care profession in years past, I am not unadvised. I also know that numbers can be tweaked to justify one's own agenda. I agree that you should move on over to Europe and join their health programs.
    P.S. Do the newborn numbers include the rate of abortions? Hard to beat that number.

  • jim

    rogert Just where is America ranked”near the bottom?
    the world health org. ranks the usa near the bottom in quality of health care

    Is that why those from Canada, and other social-medicine countries come to America for treatment??????

    because they feel that because they have the bucks tha they should get there liposuttion or tit implants or cosmedic surgury right now
    “People die sitting in emergency rooms…” ????? People in socialized countries die at home waiting for appointments and treatment

    that must be some good crack your on YES PEAPLE DIE AT HOME but its more because there waiting for a heart or lung transplant and guess what peaple are dieing at home in the use becuse they cand aford needed surgury or because there medical insurance says no to the needed treatment by cklaiming they have reached some lifetime limmet on treatment

  • rogert

    Whatever is this supposed to mean? I find it highly suspect. More capacity is a bad thing?
    By the way, after a bit of checking; when was the rating you took your WHO info from? I already know. (WHO is an arm of the UN, which is notoriously anti-American)
    Do you know when the last one was…and why that was the last one? Such as data is extremely complex and difficult to assemble and interpret, making a rating spurious at best?
    Over all, the last one gave the USA a 37 rating out of 200.
    I'm outa here!

  • FRIEDMAN119

    My best life experience was my 2 years in Special Forces as a Psychiatrist. One of the lessons learned in the medical section of doctors and medical service staff that trained the prototype of the physicians assistant was that my section contained all Life and Eagle Scouts. They were all self motivated and a busy group. No challenge was not taken. Most of the others went afterwards to Vietnam and walked the Ho Chi Minh trail to find new diseases and public health problems. Everyone knew how to relate and be self relient. The medical sections success was repeated in civilian life. As an Eagle Scout I later learned as much as I could about Luther Gulick, MD who was a founder of the Boy Scouts and with his wife founded Camp Fire Girls. Gulick also is in the Springfield Hall of Fame as a co-founder of Basketball. Thinking about the qualities gained from the Boy Scout experience, I recommend thinking about what we will lose without the Boy Scouts as a learning experience.

  • loucleve

    Why in the hell would the Boy Scouts allow potential pedophile child rapists in their midst? Are the left totally insane? ACLU must be representing NAMBLA again.

  • josephrzeplinski

    Canada built a fine universal medical system inspired by the Christian and biblical beliefs of a Baptist preacher turned politician and provincial premier, Tommy Douglas; he, and many others saw the salient value of persistent bible-principal based political action which had such an effect upon the ruling Liberal party of the time that this so-called leftist idea was adopted by Canadians left and right, and has provided a continuing, positive and generous foundation for political systems to esteem and build upon while facing the ever-changing challenges brought on by changes in the national economic and medical worlds. Those who are not rich need have their rights too for access to basic medical care through common effort.

  • jim

    funny thing is on girl the bscanada and scouting around the world DOES now allow girls so the bsa is behind the times when they dont let in girls and dont forrget scouting was founded in england by lord baden powel not by some yankee though the bsc was was started by some yankees that coppied his idia

  • jim

    fried man re your coment
    :”As an Eagle Scout I later learned as much as I could about Luther Gulick, MD who was a founder of the Boy Scouts and with his wife founded Camp Fire Girls”
    SORRY BUT IT WAS Robert Stephenson Smyth Baden-Powell THAT FOUNDED SCOUTING AND HIS WIFE FOUNDED THE GIRL GUIDES (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Baden-Powell) IN 1908 YOUR DOC STARTED THE BSA BASED ON HIS IDIAS PLEASE GET IT RIGHT

  • donnamarie

    Yes, Jim, you can see a doctor in Canada after a 6 month wait. Also, you are mistaken Jim about not being able to see a doctor in the U.S. if you are broke. There is a program called medicaid and if you are truly broke you will be eligible and yes, the doctors here will treat. Not only will they treat you but they will treat you before the expiration of 6 months-more likely they will see you immediately.

    As for your aunt, with regard to the program that the Senate and House is considering, her job will probably not change much because some government bureaucrat will be deciding who gets what cancer treatment and who does not. Despite what you might be thinking, who gets cancer treatment will still depend on the expense and whether it is experimental . It still needs to be paid for. Not only will the decision of whether or not someone receives treatment be based on cost it will also depend on what the chances of survival are, the age of the patient and the quality of life afterwards. Of course, these will be all actuarial numbers. So, even if Obamacare is enacted the stories you hear from your aunt will be the same.

    Finally, Jim, I do not know if you are dyslexic or not but it would do you well to learn how to use spell check. If you are not dyslexic but received a poor education, well then I can see why you have fallen under the Obamaspell and believe that the government needs to take care of you. It is people like you that the government preys on.

  • donnamarie

    Yes, Jim, you would be able to see a doctor or specialist in Canada after a 6 month wait. You are mistaken about the poor in the U.S. being able to see a doctor. There is a program called Medicaid here in the U.S. and if you are truly poor you are eligible for the benefits. Yes, the doctors will treat you and you would not have to wait 6 months for that to happen. Also, the emergency rooms cannot turn anyone away here in the U.S. so if you end up in one here, yes, you will be treated.

    As for cancer victims, well even under government run health care some government bureaucrat will determine whether it is cost effective to treat someone. The decision for treatment will lie on various factors as to cost, effectiveness, etc.-pretty much like they are now. You have to remember that while it is being run by the government it still needs to be paid for-so costs will be important in the decision making process. Except now if the government says no, you will likely have little to no recourse even if they are negligent. There is a law called the Federal Torts Claims Act-under this law you cannot sue the government for negligence. So, your aunt's stories will not change under a government health care plan.

    Finally, I have no idea whether you are dyslexic but it would do you well to proofread your final product and use spell check. If you are not dyslexic but the victim of a poor education well then I can understand why you believe that the government needs to take care of you. It is people just like you that are easy prey for the government. Good luck to you.

  • FRIEDMAN119

    Luther Gulick, a graduate of Columbia Medical School, was a leader in the
    YMCA think tank in New York City and in Springfield, Ma where Springfield
    College carries on his traditions. Gulick looked for an American morality
    in founding the BSA. I am aware of Baden Powell founding the Boy Scouts and
    Girl Guides in England. The Y, a Methodist organization from which the
    Salvation Army arose, had a very different set of ethics. Neither the Y or
    the Salvation Army sent its boys into the trenches of World War I. Gulick
    as head of the Y and other organizations in World War I, provided moral
    support for the troops. Gulick did not play general but did lead the
    Sanitation Commission. Gulick was a member of the Olympic Committee as
    well. His life history is found in Wohelo, the Camp Fire Girl Guide.
    Gulick before World War I spent time in the New York City Schools to help
    the immigrant children physically and mentally. In 1918 an educational
    guide of principles was published with Dr. Gulick's assistance. It was
    different that the earlier principles of Harvard's Guide to an education.
    Gulick stessed civic awareness.

    When Gulick died the Camp Fire Girls with silent oars raised passed one by
    one under the cliffs where a fire memorialized the life of Gulick. This
    occurred on Lake Sebago in New Hampshire.

    Your facts are correct, but America did not mimic the Baden Powell idea of
    preparing the young for the Great War. The difference is great.

    Leonard R. Friedman, MD

  • WTF_Idiots

    Yeah, I figured that would be your response. You claim that my numbers, which come right from the WHO website, are somehow “skewed” to fit my agenda (which is only to ensure that Americans, ALL Americans, have proper access to good health). Yet, just refusing to accept the numbers, and the facts, to justify YOUR agenda is somehow better? Your best argument is that “I should move to Europe” hahahaha. Good one. Well reasoned, there, jagoff.

  • drivingmecrazy

    apparently you heard wrong…..
    Boy Scouts of America 2010 Celebrate Scouting Stamp
    Celebrate Scouting with the Boy Scouts of America and the United States Postal Service!

    In 2010, the year of our 100th Anniversary, the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) will receive an incredible honor from the United States Postal Service (USPS) in the form of a “Celebrate Scouting” stamp. A tribute to the impact of a century of Scouting on the American landscape, the stamp will become widely available during the summer of 2010.

    Since 1910, Scouting has served young people and their families through a program of values-based leadership and character. Continuing the BSA's long tradition of service and good turns, we will bring deeper purpose to the Celebrate Scouting stamp by sending letters and care packages to the military men and women serving our country overseas. Also included in this effort are the many veterans who have honorably served our country throughout the years. Join us in the effort!

    You can start today by visiting the USPS Web site, where you will find important guidelines and information for keeping in touch with our troops overseas. And, you'll find a toolkit of information to support your efforts, below!

    Scouts, BSA staff, volunteers — or anyone who'd like to join our effort — are invited to explore the following resources. There are an array of tools to help you develop a thoughtful letter or care package that reminds our troops how much we appreciate and value their service.

  • jim

    “Finally, I have no idea whether you are dyslexic but it would do you well to proofread your final product and use spell check

    WELL I AM DYSLEXIC AND LOW VISION AND I DO USE SPELL CHECK BUT THEY DO THE BEST THEY CAN BUT THERE FAR FROM PURFECT

    . If you are not dyslexic but the victim of a poor education well then I can understand why you believe that the government needs to take care of you. It is people just like you that are easy prey for the government
    WRONG I DO BELIVE IN MEDICAL CARE FOR ALL AND NONE OF THE CRAP THE INSURANCE CO'S PULL BEYOUND THAT I TRUST THE GOVERMENT TO SCREW UP AND THAT ALL I TRUST THEM TO DO

  • jerryglenn

    That is indeed good news!!

  • Paleocon

    You say left has never created a boys' organisation of its own. Have you never heard of NAMBLA?

  • http://greenstonepatent.com/ alidigitalis

    why do all you douches go to africa with your christian organizations? poor people safaris…. save the $1000 ticket fee and buy another hundred mosquito nets, don't show up in your levis, digital cameras, and christian bs.

  • Nancy Lippi

    We miss your magazine, Mary bring it back! God Bless you and yours!

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