Will Europe Put its Foot Down? – by Hege Storhaug


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“Either Islam will be Europeanized, or Europe will be Islamized.”  In recent years this prediction has been made by many major experts, among them the American Bernard Lewis, the Syrian-born German Bassam Tibi, and the French Gilles Kepel.  This is, without question, an uncomfortable and sensitive topic, but it’s one that is very pertinent now that the Swiss have put their foot down and said that they will not accept another minaret within their borders.

In recent decades, Islam has exploded in Europe.  You can see the changes with your own eyes from year to year – whether it’s the increasing presence of hijabs on the street in a city like Oslo, or the bearded men with ankle-high baggy pants, or the new and resplendent mosques that are under construction.  For my part, I’ve noticed an increasing insecurity and unease among “ordinary” people who feel like aliens in their own country.  People ask: what is the purpose of this project?  Don’t we, as a nation, have a right to pass our own cultural legacy, our traditions and values, on to our children and grandchildren?  Should we, in the name of tolerance, give in to the demands made by “others” whose influence is growing, and whose voices are becoming louder, as their numbers increase? Or as a Norwegian Labor Party politician said to me in a private conversation: “On the day that most of the members of the city council are Muslims, what do you think will happen to the right of Oslo bars to serve alcohol?”  Another leading Laborite with over a couple of decades’ experience in politics put it more bluntly when I asked him “What you think about immigration from the Muslim world?”  The answer was so crisp, merciless, and genuinely felt that I gasped: “What have they contributed?”  Period.

Let it be said that of course there are many Muslims in Europe who are getting along just fine and who get the same chills down their spines that other European citizens do when they think of Sharia and the lack of freedom that accompanies classical Islam.  But as a rule those aren’t the Muslims who are the most prominent members of their faith among us; they aren’t the ones who enjoy power in the Muslim community, and they aren’t the ones who are best organized and who have developed exceptionally strong connections to our public officials.

No, it’s not the secularized Muslims who are leading the way – far from it.  Ayaan Hirsi Ali made this clear when I and a colleague of mine from Human Rights Service in Oslo met her at the Dutch Parliament in The Hague in 2005.  As she put it, there most certainly are Muslims in Europe who want a Europeanized Islam – that is to say, a private, personal Islam without political and judicial influence.  But these aren’t the Muslims who are powerfully positioned in Europe’s community organizations, Europe’s corridors of power, and Europe’s universities.

Here is an interesting point: immigrants from Iran tend to be secular, well-integrated, and – very often – well-educated.  Here in Norway, Iranians have generally integrated themselves into our culture, accepting Norwegian values even as they’ve maintained Iranian traditions that don’t conflict with human rights, such as celebrating Iranian New Year.  But Iranians are not the leaders of Europe’s Muslim communities.  Nor can I think of a single mosque in Norway, or anywhere in Europe for that matter, that has been founded by Iranians.

If Iranians, generally speaking, have been an immigration success story, enriching Europe and becoming fully participating members of European society, this isn’t true of the members of many other major immigrant groups, whose origins are in traditional villages in other Muslim countries.  It’s precisely these people’s unwillingness (or inability?) to assimilate to European society – indeed, to appreciate such typically European values as freedom, equality, social participation, and personal responsibility – that may be a major reason why Switzerland said no to more minarets.  At some point, Europe must put its foot down if it truly wishes to continue to be the Europe we know today.  There is a limit as to how many minarets a society can live with, how many hijabs and baggy pants the streets of Europe can tolerate, before the public space becomes as ideologically charged and as palpably unfree as the streets of, say, Pakistan.  We need to stand up and preserve our culture – a successful culture that is itself the only reason why immigrants are streaming from the Muslim world to our continent rather than in the other direction.

Here’s a specific example of how misguided our politicians have been in their handling of the challenge of Islam – an example that I think provides a very clear picture of grotesque weakness.  In 1974, Muslim immigrants from Pakistan established the first mosque in Norway, the Islamic Cultural Centre (ICC).  The name has a comforting, harmless sound: a “cultural center” sounds like something very different from a mosque.  In reality, however, the ICC is a direct subsidiary of an extreme religio-political movement and political party in Pakistan, Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), which was established by one of the leading Islamist ideologues of the last century, Abu Ala Maududi (1903 – 1979). When Pakistan’s worst despot ever, General and President Zia ul-Haq (1977 – 1988), Islamized that country from top to bottom, his main inspiration was Maududi. Today Qazi Hussain Ahmad, who has been a top JI leader for several years and has been banned for security reasons from entering about 25 European countries, as well as Egypt.  He has been under house arrest in Pakistan several times for having instigated violent riots that took human lives. Unsurprisingly, he’s also a fan of Bin Laden. Yet he’s not prohibited from entering Norway, and when he landed at Oslo Airport in August 2004, the arrivals hall was packed with Norwegian-Pakistani men and boys who openly cheered him as a prophet.

The ICC, then, which has a grandiose new mosque with minarets in downtown Oslo, follows an ideology that is a carbon copy of Maududi’s terrifying, violent creed.  It doesn’t just belong to a philosophically dangerous movement; it belongs to a movement which preaches that Muslims should not become fully integrated members of Norwegian society.  This is exactly the same attitude that is preached at every mosque in Europe that has “respect” for itself.  And yet the ICC, like many other mosques that share its theology, was allowed to establish itself in Norway, and in Europe generally, without protest from anybody.  And that’s not all: today it’s one of the largest and most influential so-called faith communities among Norwegian Muslims and has, over the years, received tens of millions of kroner in government support because it is regarded – absurdly – as a purely religious body.

But Europe’s cultural elite is blind to this ugly reality.  On the contrary, that elite, which lives largely off of the dialogue industry – exchanging endless amiable platitudes with Muslim leaders – is all bent out of shape over Switzerland: it views the ban on minarets as an assault on free speech and on freedom of religion; the ban, according to the elite, is an offense against cultural diversity, an expression of intolerance, prejudice, and extremism that will lead to a clash of civilizations.  Not to mention that the ban violates international conventions.

Yet this same elite never gets worked up when Christians are murdered in Pakistan or when their churches and homes are burned down.  Or when women and men are stoned to death in Somalia, or when burka-clad women in Afghanistan are crammed together with goats in the backs of trucks.  Nor do they pay the slightest heed to a woman walking through the streets of Oslo in a burka – a garment that must be described as the clearest possible manifestation of antipathy to Western culture, a powerful statement of complete rejection of the society in which the woman lives.

It is not too much to say, then, that the elite is completely off-balance.  And it’s this lack of balance, this lack of sensible attitudes in the salons of the privileged, this lack of respect for their own culture and for the values on which that culture is founded, that the grass roots are reacting to.  Simply put, ordinary people are sick of being told by their “betters” what to do and think: they want with all their hearts to defend themselves and their own.  Their message is: By all means, come to Europe and become one of us.  But don’t come here to turn our culture and our values upside down. The people have, in short, begun to wake up and to say no to the utopian multicultural dream. For they realize that Norway will no longer be Norway, and the West will no longer be the West, if the country’s essential culture is not preserved; and Christianity is an indissoluble part of that culture.  Whether one is personally religious or not, that’s simply a fact.  If Islam is going to place itself at the heart of our culture, most Norwegians understand that what we now consider Norwegian will be dead and buried.  The only alternative would be a miracle: a revolution within Islam that would place all of Muhammed’s inhumane actions on the ash heap of history and reduce all of his “sacred” legal and political pronouncements to the status of fairy tales like A Thousand and One Nights. Of course, such a revolution would also require an end to all of the violence and hatred preached in the Koran.

For about a millennium, Islam has failed spectacularly to pull off such a revolutionary project.  It’s precisely for this reason that people are pouring out of these failed states (yes, they’re also failed on account of other kinds of ideological despotism, including socialist projects, which when combined with authoritarian, oppressive religion produce something like gunpowder). The big question, however, is this: why should we expect a form of Islam to develop in Europe that is entirely antithetical to the form of Islam found in the Muslim world?

Of course Norway, and Europe as a whole, should not embrace any and every kind of culture or religion that finds its way here.  But where to draw the line?  There is no one answer to this question.  The answer will vary according to the nature of the culture or religion and the strength of the challenge that it represents.  But if we sell out our mainstream culture, and relativize it, accept a watering down of our rights, we may end up with a set of supposedly democratic but in fact empty and meaningless ideals that fail to provide us citizens with a values-related map or compass.  And what can happen in critical situations if the people don’t share a sense of community?  How can we ensure a sense of belonging if, for example, freedom of speech faces a major threat or if we suffer a terrorist attack?  Can we risk having civil war-like conditions, as we is already the case in Europe’s no-go zones?  Democratic order is, above all, a technical and practical matter, and it can thus never replace people’s need for a community, their need to be part of a common culture.

People must, then, have feelings – positive ones – about one another.  Last winter I had a thought-provoking experience on the east side of Oslo on my way home after work.  A thin layer of snow covered the icy streets.  A Somali women dressed in a tent slipped on the ice as I passed her.  Instinctively, I grabbed her and thus managed to prevent what could have been a bad fall, and helped her back to her feet.  I asked if she was okay, but she just hurried on with a completely expressionless look on her face.  Not a single sign of human connection, not a single glance at me.  I stood there feeling empty and alienated.

Awareness of a society’s and a culture’s need for a sense of community seems especially absent from the EU system.  The kind of communal feeling I am talking about contrasts sharply with the multicultural mentality of the pro-EU and antinational forces.  They refuse to understand that a nation’s culture – its folk songs, traditions, holy days, flags, and national anthems – is different from a broad-based constitution based on ideals of equality.  A text, simply put, cannot replace a feeling of community.  A national community with strong survival instincts is founded not on a text but on matters that are close to the heart, on traditions, on things that are palpable, on things as obvious as a common language and a sense of belonging to a fatherland.  And yes, this sense of community also has something to do with the churches and church spires, as well as the church’s rituals and traditions.  The principles that tie people together cannot be legislated by politicians; such bonds call for something more – trust between citizens, national loyalty, a high degree of agreement as to what freedom is and is not, and a broad sense of support for the obligations that a real community demands of its members.

The minarets, then, don’t symbolize community in the European sense – they symbolize the umma, the Muslim community.  They don’t represent loyalty to Norway or Switzerland or any other European country – they represent loyalty to Mecca and to the umma.  They don’t signify freedom, but illiberalism (women’s oppression, the punishment of apostasy with death).  The minarets, in short, embody the antithesis of the Declaration of Human Rights (as is clear to anyone who has read the 1990 Cairo Declaration about so-called “human rights in Islam,” which was formulated by the Organization of the Islamic Conference).  Nor are they, one might add, a part of our architectural tradition or any other Western tradition.  On the contrary, they bear witness to a state of mind that views us, the “others,” as strangers.

The policy of forcing oneself to tolerate something for which one has no sympathy whatsoever will, moreover, only erode the national culture.  Pointing fingers and making moral judgments is not the way to enhance tolerance.

In light of the immigration from the Muslim world, it’s very important for us to be aware of the history of our Western democracy.  It’s not true, after all, that we adopted democracy, with all the magnificent liberal values that accompanied it, and then developed a broad community of the people.  On the contrary, our free society is a historical consequence of a communal society based on trust, a shared culture in which Christianity has naturally played a central role.  Norway would not have managed to come together under our constitution, signed at Eidsvoll in 1814, if the country that produced it had been split along cultural and religious lines.  The people whose representatives met at Eidsvoll were a people who shared essentially the same culture and religion and who could hence agree on the text upon which their nation was to be founded.  The same thing happened when the Puritans settled in New England and built a society that grew into American democracy.  It is actually somewhat odd to think that America owes the liberal democracy enshrined in its founding documents to a group of original settlers whose strong sense of community was based on conservative religion and illiberal traditions.  It is, then, shared cultural norms, and not theoretical or abstract ideals of equality or international conventions, that lead people to stand shoulder to shoulder and to find community together.  A liberal democracy such as that of Norway or Switzerland is not and never has been self-sustaining.

The minaret case, then, can be very critical for Europe’s future.  How many minarets can Europe tolerate before our strong sense of communal connection is dissolved?  What will happen, then, to our democracy’s liberal values and to the social harmony we have enjoyed?  These are questions that most of the political parties in Norway and in a number of other European countries do not wish to address.  As I wrote a few days ago, they absolutely refuse to recognize that Islam is an ideology and a social system, a religion of laws – a religion with a political orientation and with political ambitions.   Yet Islam and Christianity are still treated by Norwegian (and European) officials as identical twins.  This misguided way of thinking may end up costing us heavily.  We must learn from the Swiss as quickly as possible – must learn, that is, to face up to, and respond appropriately to, the political and legal realities of the Islamic congregations in our midst.

This essay originally appeared in Norwegian on the website of Human Rights Service, www.rights.no, and was translated into English by Bruce Bawer.

  • pennswoods

    As a person with 100% European roots I do not in any way wish to see Western Civilization to become extinct. I guess I was a bit too cynical in my post even though what I said I believe to be fact. The problem is that a large majority of our self hating Western intellectual elite and left wing half wits in Europe and America and the rest of the West are the ones who want this to happen. They are allying themsleves with radical Islam in a vain and perverse hope that once Islam dominates Europe and controls Europe's destiny, somehow the world will at last have “peace” and stability, and the hated Christian West will be finished forver. You and I know it will be the opposite and could never be reversed. Paris, Rome, Berlin, London, and the other great cities of Europe will become mere shells of their former culture (they almost are already). Can you imagine a Europe in 2030 that is controlled by a pro Islamic world view when the major cities are majority Muslim as well as certain regions of many European countries? I can't. I can however imagine a Muslim dominated Europe that threatens the still non Muslim majority with violence and terrorism if the politicians don't see an Islamic political point of view and demand Islamic Law of Sharia either as a parallel legal system or atcually the law of the land. NATO will cease to exist and the USA will become Europe's number one enemy when Islam dominates that continent in the next fifty years. It's a terrible concept. Islam will accomplish it's ultimate dream. To conqueror Europe and they will do it not by the sword but by massive immigration and the womb.

  • danieln40

    To Chinese guy – unfortunately you like most keep bringing up the past. That is a tired and irrelevant arguement. Same old stupid comments about the past. I really don't care about what happened hundreds of years ago. There were many different faults on all sides. As a civilized society, most people have moved on. Christians no longer convert by the sword. Britian no longer conquers nations. I am talking about NOW – not the past. Africa is a cesspool of ignorance, corruption, and muslims. That is never going to change. It amazes me that Africa is concidered the cradle of man. It should be light years ahead in commerce, technology, and pretty much everything else. But it can't evolve past tribal and now Islamic rule. Again, my argument is WHAT HAS ISLAM GIVEN TO THE CIVILISED WORLD IN THE PAST 1,000 YEARS? If anyone can answer that question please tell me. I am talking about something major that has benefitted the human race – not stonings, beheadings, keeping women oppressed, killing of innocents – those who are not muslim, etc. etc. etc. There are no inventions from Islam. Tell me what? The supposed moderate muslims move to other countries and expect those countries to bow and scape to their religion. Never does a muslim country allow someone of another race to voice their values. Finally don't get me started on the Chinese. That culture is as corrupt, violent, and oppressive against its own people. Although I believe the U.S. is the best country in the world, it definitely is not perfect. But we don't oppress our own people for voicing oppinions or views contrary to others or the estabishment/government. I can call Obama a closet muslim pig bastard that he is and the secret police won't be knocking on my door any time soon. Try that in any Muslim, Communist, or other countries. Try writing the Chinese chairman – forgive me if I don't remember what the ruler of China is called. Try calling him names and insulting him. You will probably be arrested within an hour of hitting the enter button. So yes I will put Africa in the same catagory. Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, and many more. I won't even start with Zimbabwe and the scum-bag Mugabe. Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa, feeding most of the continent until that n@gger kicked out all the white farmers and land owners. You tell me how well that is going. So again I don't care what happened in the 1600's. I am again asking the question what has Islam contributed to the civilized society in the past 1,000 years except misery and death.

  • Gary

    First one needs to understand the truth about Islam. That they follow a profit that took a
    9 year old girl as a wife. I believe that this by both the established as well as moral law is child molestation. Ahhh Islam a religion of child molesters and rapists!
    Death to Islam!

  • Elizabeth

    Daniel, I think you are confusing Christianity with Islam…Christians never converted with the sword! Remember, they were thrown to the lions, stoned, crucified, etc. and had to meet in secret in the catacombs beneath Rome. Our leader, Jesus, said: Behold, I stand at the door and knock. Christianity respects freewill which puts it into direct opposition to Islam.

  • Infidel4Ever

    I think any American with a functioning brain needs to care about the Islamization of Europe. Europe is where our culture came from, losing Europe to Islam puts the rest of the world in grave danger as it will give the “ummah” control of it's advanced technology, resources and the UK and France's nuclear weapons. Not to mention the loss of valuable trading partners and military and political allies. In their place will be a hostile to America series of Islamist states ready to bring the wrath of Allah down on us.

    And you're even further of the the deep end if you think the Muslims will be selling off Europe's treasures. They will be actively destroying all the treasures as “Kafir Filth”. The Europeans will suffer the consequences of their foolishness but I for one take no pleasure in that. And with Obama and his gang of multicultural imbeciles, the US is next.

  • americanguy

    Don't fool yourself. Just like the “moderate” blacks in America, these “moderate” Muslims we all hear so much about will vanish at a moment's notice. In America, after 50 years of total inclusion in politics, when it came down to it 96% of blacks voted for a fellow black. I'm not making a judgement call on that fact. I'm only telling you that the breakdown of the “moderate” Muslims will be exactly the same when the time comes. There will be a negligable 4% who resist and an ovewhelming 96% who support their follow Muslims in the takeover. You can repeat the nonsense about a large unseen “moderate” Muslim population if you want, and I agree that they frequently are vocal about how “they too” would resist a Muslim domination, but it simply is not true. When the time comes, you better know who you can count on to defend Europe and who is going to stab you in the back.

  • Elizabeth

    Americanguy…you speak the truth.

  • danieln40

    Apparently you forgot your history, the Christians sure did convert by the sword. Better check again. It was a dark time in history. It was a time called the Crusades. Lets not even start about the attrocities the Christians did to people like torture and many other things back in the day even to their own. What about the complete destruction and burning at the stakes of the Nights Templar. But we at least grew civilized and finally realized that kind of behavior was wrong. It took until a couple hundred years ago, maybe the last were the burning of witches in Salem. But after that, we kind of evolved and realized that torture, beheadings, rape, burning women with acid, and many other attrocities are just wrong in the name of religion. These so-called peace loving muslims are a scurge from the 7th century and need to be shoved back. I know, I know people keep telling me that there are good muslims out there, but they never step up and never speak out against Islam and the bad it spreads around the world, because deep down there are NO such thing as a moderate muslim. They are all told from birth that the only religion is Islam and all others are less than scum and all should be converted, enslaved, or killed. So I believe that we have to wage war against all these people to save our way of life.

  • LindaRivera

    Mike,
    There is a major difference. The illegal Mexicans don't follow Islam. Western civilization is based on the Bible and G-D's Laws:

    YOU SHALL NOT MURDER
    You shall not steal
    You shall not bear false witness

    The Islamics seek total destruction of Western civilization.

  • Elizabeth

    Why did the Crusades happen? At one time many of the countries that we consider to be Muslim were actually Christian. This is where Christianity began afterall! However, after a couple of hundred years after the start of Islam, the head of the Orthodox Church realized that if he didn't ask the Pope for help from his European brethren, all of the Eastern Orthodox Church nations would be Muslim. The purpose of the Crusades was to retake these lands back for Christianity. Was there violence? Clearly. No war has ever been fought without it, and as always, the Crusades should be looked at in the context of the time in history in which they occured. But to look at the Crusaders as the invaders is simply not to see the entire picture. The Muslims were the invaders first. You see Christianity evolving into something more peaceful, however, if you read the Book of Acts you will see that it always was peaceful! However, since all human beings are sinners, there have been times when Christ's message was corrupted. But on the whole…even during the darkest times…Christianity has done better than any of the other religions regarding helping one's neighhbor, widows, orphans and the poor, etc. I challenge anyone to name a religion that has founded more orphanages, hospitals, or schools than Christianity.

  • LindaRivera

    The G-D of the Jewish Bible (Old Testament) is radically different from the god of Islam! G-D NEVER changes. G-D's Laws NEVER change! No one gets a free pass to break G-D's Laws because of their religion! G-D commanded:

    YOU SHALL NOT MURDER
    You shall not steal
    You shall not bear false witness
    Bible, Exodus 20

    He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:16

    G-D's requirement for ALL humanity is KINDNESS:

    And what does the L-RD require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-D. Jewish Bible, Micah 6:8

  • robertlogos

    People are misguided. YES, islam is a problem, but the jews are the ones who promoted multiracialism in the west through their media. If you'll notice in the Swiss referendum, jewish groups came out of the woodwork to denounce the Swiss vote as “intolerant”. Steven Steinlight, former president of the American Jewish Congress, wrote an article admitting the jewish role in changing immigration policy in the U.S. to promote third world immigration since jews have always felt uncomfortable in homogeneous white gentile societies. Now, even though you would think jews feel threatened by islam, notice that they still defend the interests of muslim invaders over that of indigenous Europeans. Furthermore, this is much more than about simple culture. It is about the wide scale displacement of the indigenous peoples of an entire continent who have evolved there for the past 40,000 years and are part of the flora and fauna. Yet white people today dance around this issue and won't mention it. Why? Are whites too cowardly and soft? Are they too liberal to survive? Are they just stupid truebelievers in the multicult? Time will tell, but I do believe that it's curtains for western civilization and the white race which created it. What we're tragically witnessing for the first time in history, is an entire race of people so decadent and weak they are voluntarily walking off the stage of history. It's a disgrace, but in the end, everybody deserves what they get in this world if they're not willing to fight to survive.

  • robertlogos

    And of course Chinese are known for not being racist, right? Uhhuuh….. The white race has one major defect- it is nowhere near as racist as it should be.

  • robertlogos

    You're a delusional apologist for jewish supremacism. Read their talmud. Read the writings of the chabad lubavitcher Rabbi Menachem Schneerson. To the jews, gentiles aren't even human, and we can be murdered, exploited, stolen from with impunity. After all, they are the “chosen people”. And what did chosen people like Moses and Joshua do to people like the Midianites? I'm sorry to say, but the reason the west is sinking fast is because of the hold the jewish lobby and jewish propaganda has had on the minds of our gentile people who have been deracinated. Our culture and our people have been deconstructed and told we don't exist and not to resist multiculturalism. Now we are living the hellish result of jewish dominance and hatred of white people.

  • robertlogos

    Linda, you hypocritical jewess, you rave on and on about muslims, but how should white europeans feel about already having had their civilization and culture stolen from underneath them by you jews, another groups of aggressive middle eastern semites?

  • robertlogos

    THERE IS NO EUROPE WITHOUT ITS RACIALLY WHITE EUROPEAN PEOPLE! NON-EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS WILL ALWAYS BE NON-EUROPEAN AND ALIEN AND AGGRESSIVE AGAINST EUROPEANS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE! THEY JUST WAIT FOR THEIR POPULATION NUMBERS TO REACH A CRITICAL MASS, THAT'S ALL.

  • danieln40

    Look I totally agree that Christianity has done more for the world than any other religion, but you cannot white-wash the fact in the past that the Church has commited horrendous crimes against other religions and people. Its just a fact. I am Roman-Catholic myself, so don't get the idea that I am bashing Christianity. I just understand that our religion has its dark side in history. WE AGAIN learned that some behaviors are just plain wrong. Unlike the sub-human islamic scum in this world that love to hurt others in the name of their cult. Christians are light years ahead of the throwback religion. You just cannot turn a blind eye to a lot of attrocities
    commited by the Church in the past. You either do not want to know or just playing the fool. Believe me, the world would be so much better off with Christianity and the other religions all with the exception of islam. As a Christian I have absolutely no intent on converting any other religions. Unlike islam which mandated convert or die.

  • danieln40

    I agree with BS77, what are the Europeans going to do about the muslim scurge? Everyday I read about muslim gang rapes against children and muslim attacking non-musims, then theres the European news agencies always biasing the news coverage against “youths” rioting throughout European cities. We all know its muslim scum youths. But your own news agencies won't even report it. Especially in France where I believe they burned thousands of cars and rioted many times in the past year or two. Then there is all the political correctness in the news – a couple in England was sued by some muslim scumbag who said they insulted her. Fortunately the couple had a decent judge and not some bent over lib judge afraid of islam. That is the problem with Europe, everyone is afraid of muslim violence, but until Euroweenies start pushing back just as hard – say burning a few mosques and killing some of the more radical muslims in Europe, its just going to get worse.

  • LindaRivera

    You state Europeans had their civilization and culture stolen from them by Jews. Is this a joke?

  • robertlogos

    Who promoted multiculturalism into white countries through their media? Who promoted feminism? Who is overly represented in the porn industry and admit that part of the reason is they want to stick it to christian gentile societies norms and values? Is it muslims who control western media and marginalize white people as hateful evil racists and anti-semites who have to atone by opening their borders to the turd world? Who recently, after the Swiss vote against minarets, came to the defense of the muslim hordes calling for ever more “tolerance” from Europeans? And by the way, why does israhell get to have its own ethnostate in the middle east that is expressly stated to be a nation for the jewish people, and yet in Europe and America miscegenation between whites and non-whites, non-white immigration, and the deconstruction of white peope and culture is promoted? Who is constantly in attack mode against western whites for being racist, sexist, patriarchal, anti-semitic ,oppressive, enslaving monsters who have lost the moral right to exist in their own organic homogeneous societies? No Linda, I'm not joking. I'd say you're the joke, but I know better that jews are no joke. You are a deadly pestilence constantly in attack mode against white people. You've used immigration into our countries to weaken us while promoting your own ethnocentrism. Now that your muslim pets are a bit of control and turning against you, you agitate naive white Euros to once again fight your enemies for you. You're a people who always play both sides against each other.

    Here's what a nice jewish boy, former president of the American Jewish Congress has to say in http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.htm

    “For perhaps another generation, an optimistic forecast, the Jewish community is thus in a position where it will be able to divide and conquer and enter into selective coalitions that support our agendas”

    So Linda, you're the monsters. You're the executioners of the west. And you don't belong among white people anymore than your semitic kinsmen the arab muslims do. You parasites don't belong among us any more than I belong in israhell or mexico or china. Of course, none of this will compute with you. The only thing that computes with you arrogant and aggressive destructive poisonous semites is force. Unless white people wake up, and soon, your presence among us will have proven terminal.

  • InfidelAlliance

    Muhammeds barbaric legacy is the 1,400 ISLAMIC WORLD WAR that rages on every continent except Antarctica, against everyone and everything “non-Islamic”. Let’s look at the facts:

    Let’s look at the facts:

    Islam against:
    - the Catholics in the Philippines (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    - the Christians in Indonesia (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    - Australian tourists in Bali (blown up…twice)
    - the Buddhists in Thailand (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    - the Hindus & Sikhs in India (hundreds of years battling the Islamic Jihad)
    - the Jews in Mumbai (slaughtered)
    - the Zoroastrians & Baha’i in Iran (virtually exterminated)
    - Islamic converts to Christianity in Afghanistan (death fatwa)
    - ancient Buddhist statues in Bamiyan, Afghanistan (blown up)
    - the Chaldean Christians in Iraq (routine persecution, slaughter & church burnings)
    - the Jews in Israel (routine attacks against civilians, threat of 2nd genocide)
    - the Jews in Yemen (nearly exterminated)
    - S. Korean & German tourists in Yemen (blown up)
    - the Coptic Christians in Egypt (routine persecution, slaughter & church attacks)
    - the Christians & animists in Sudan (genocide)
    - the Christians in Kenya (constant Jihadist threat from Obama’s homies)
    - the Christians in Nigeria (routine Jihadist attacks)
    - U.S. embassies in Tanzania & Kenya (blown up)
    - the athiests in Europe (the prime target)
    - the native French in Paris (torched car terrorism)
    - Jews in Paris (read the grisly story of Ilan Halimi, a Jewish shop clerk who was kidnapped, tortured and killed in 2006)
    - the native Swedes in Malmo (Islamic rape brigades)
    - the native Dutch in Amsterdam (routinely terrorized)
    - Dutch politicians (Geert Wilders & Ayyan Hirsi Ali – death fatwa)
    - Dutch cinematographers (Theo vanGogh savagely murdered by an Islamist in broad daylight)
    - Dutch cartoonists (Kurt Westergaard – death fatwa)
    - Dutch newspaper editors (Flemming Rose, Jyllands-Posten’s culture editor – death fatwa)
    - Train commuters in Spain (blown up)
    - Tube commuters in London (blown up)
    - Airports in Scotland (blown up)
    - Jews in Argentina (blown up)
    - Jews in Caracas (blown up)
    - Twin Tower office workers in N.Y. (blown up – twice)
    - Defense workers in the Pentagon (blown up – airliner jihad)
    - Army/Navy military recruiters in Little Rock (gunned down by an Islamist)
    - Soldiers in F.t Hood Texas (gunned down by an Islamist)
    - Pedestrians at the U. of N. Carolina (run down with an SUV by Islamist)
    - Journalists like Daniel Pearl (savagely decapitated by Islamists)
    - Nick Berg, Kim Sung-il, Piotr Stanczyk, Jack Hensley, Eugene Armstrong, Paul Johnson (savagely decapitated by Islamists)
    - Jewish centers in Seattle (slaughtered by Islamist Jihadist)
    - Jewish centers in Toronto (slaughtered by Islamist Jihadist)
    And on, and on, and on……….

    It is Islam against everyone, everything, everywhere that is not Islamic.

    It is Dar al-Islam against Dar al-Harb. Them against us, not us against them.

    THE ISLAMIC WORLD WAR – mandated by Allah & Muhammed in the Koran & Ahadith: Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle Muhammed said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

    Let’s face the facts and call it what it is. It is not a ‘War on Terror’ against a few ragtag misunderstanders of Islam. It is nothing less than: THE ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.

    THE ISLAMIC WORLD WAR – Muhammed’s legacy – it's real.

    ~ The Infidel Alliance

  • pennswoods

    I think any European with a functioning brain since the 1970's should have demanded their government's stop being Dhimmi's and welcoming their age old nemesis into their houses. The enormous cultural damage is done and is irreversable for Europe. Try to imagine in 50 years the Grand Mullah of Paris ensconced in his new mosque, the former Notre Dame Cathedral, his demanding the destruction of the beautiful Medieval sculpture and stained glass in his new mosque and calling for the Muslim mobs to attack and destoy these treasures in the other former great cathedrals and churches of France now mosques. Of course this future Grand Mullah of Paris will also be “offended' by the great art in the Louvre Museum and other museums in Paris and all over France because the Koran forbids all visual art that represents any living creature. Imagine how this future Grand Mullah of Paris will be outraged over the French Impressionist's painters, especially the beautiful nudes painted by Renoir. Anyone who knows the history of Islam can see all this coming and what is sad the self hating Europeans welcome it.

  • Elizabeth

    Playing the fool?! Maybe I have less of a guilt complex because I'm Protestant. We do have the Salem Witch Trials, but then again, you have the Spanish Inquisition. Or maybe I have a more balanced view on the topic because I've read Robert Spencer's Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (AND THE CRUSADES). Since you are interested in the subject(s), I highly encourage you to read it. We are all sinners in need of a savior. Whatever man gets involved in, he mucks up. I just don't believe in equating early Christianity converting by the sword with Islam converting by the sword. It's misinformation.

  • katjohns

    Muslims do not “immigrate” they infest. Appeasement is going to be the fall of Christian societies all over the world including America and Europe. They will not assimilate to western society. Even if they take on “western” clothing/style they are still aimed at destroying all that “western” society has built up. These statements may seem harsh, I agree, but we had better wake up before it is too late.

  • richardhode

    So this is David Horowitz' web site, Frontpagemag. I had heard that Horowitz had seen the right-wing light and gone reactionary. Maybe the acid finally got to him. But in any case, he made a doozie of a site and Horowitz should be proud of himself if he reads this thread. This place is a septic tank of bigotry, hatred, and ignorance, written by an assemblage of haters and bigots, some as stupid as sticks. One, Proxywar, complains about his failure to find “muslim restaurants.” Another, robertlogos, pours out the venom that fills his heart. Others again like katjohns, Gary, and InfidelAlliance are the usual pseudonymous commenters who wouldn't know a Moslem from an Eskimo and whose sheer ignorance and lack of education is their most prominent feature.

    Yeah, real nice. So Horowitz, is this the type that you hang out with these days? But I suppose it's necessary when you are saving Western Civilization from the marauding hordes, although it's a little worrisome to consider that the above mentioned ladies/gentlemen are our front-line “warriors.” These folk are on the ramparts? God heeelp us, any god, even the FSM and Lord Xenu. And these represent Western Civilization? Only the scrapings, I assure you. But let us take strength from the words of H.G. Wells in the War of the Worlds: “And in the end, humanity was saved by the littlest creatures of all.” So there's hope after all, even with the materiel we have been handed. Way to go, Horowitz.

  • noburka

    Not to worry my fellow non-muslim european/north and south americans and even most asian, chinese/japanese. Have you not read what vitamin D deficiency does to people/women in general, not to mention the babies they have. They are going to wipe out themselves with their stupid oppressive rules. We just have to make sure they can't get any vitamin D supplements.

  • InfidelAlliance

    Dear “richardhode”,

    You are the kind of intellectually lazy, pathetic apologist who would rather attack the messengers than face the facts and the truth in the message. I challenge you to find one thing in my post that is factually incorrect.

    As for my 'credentials', I own 2 Korans, and have read them. I have also read the Ahadith, the Sunnah, the Sira, studied fiqh and the brutal history of the expansion of Islam under the Saifullah.

    I have spent considerable time in 3 Islamic countries, work with “Moslems”, have “Moslem” friends, eat and drink with “Moslems”. I think I'm reasonably qualified to tell the difference between a “Moslem” and an Eskimo.

    Get your head out of the sand “richardhode”. Face the facts:

    The 'holy prophet' of Islam, Muhammed, was a sadistic sociopath. He was a murderer, a slaver, a human trafficker, a mutilator, an amputator, a decapitator, a kidnapper, a looting thief, a perfidious liar, a rapist, a sex trafficker, a sex slaver, a sexual deviant, a child rapist, a genocidist and a self proclaimed terrorist. (YES, I can cite Islamic references from the Koran and Ahadith for each and every one of these things).

    Muhammed set moral standard for Islam and all Muslims. It is a totalitarian, supremecist standard of violence and barbarity, intolerance and oppression justified under the banner of JIHAD holy war. Every pathology that afflicts Islam can be traced directly to the archetypal Islamic terrorist Muhammed.

    Concerning the message of Muhammed, just what exactly don't you understand about this???: Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle Muhammed said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'”

    As in the case of my “Moslem” friends, individual Musilm can be fine people, because they reject the violence of Muhammed. Islam itself, however, is undeniably a violent 'religion', founded by a violent 'holy prophet', inspired by a violent 'god', and its violent mandates were codified in it's 'holy' books, recorded in black & white for all the world to see.

    Even you can see it “richardhode”, if only you would open your eyes.

    Best regards,

    ~ The Infidel Alliance

  • Infidel4Ever

    Sadly, I believe you're correct. Europeans seem to be too far down the road to dhimmitude, only some dramatic and seismic shift in attitudes will prevent your scenario from playing out. Will there are signs some Europeans are waking up, it doesn't seem enough are aware to stem the tide. And now with this EU monster firmly entrenched, the multicultural Reich will continue it's evil work.

  • pennswoods

    I couldn't have said it better. Thank you.

  • dhivehiresistance

    Once my country was a peaceful place of Buddhist wisdom and tolerance. Islam has forcibly changed all that. Now bearded people dressed in Pakistani clothes are “hunting for Christian missionaries” and threatening those foreigners they suspect to be Christians (with the backing of the Islamic Government).

    http://minivannews.com/society/2009/12/13/ameri

  • coq10

    As much as I agree with the author, I do not have much regard for this other cult called christianity either. Islam and Christianity together had caused death and destructions of millions of innocents of other faith in the past. Who can forget the complete genocide of the native Indians in America or death and destruction of aborigines and their culture in Australia? Goa inquistion, anyone? The fact is, Christianity has nothing to be proud of as a religion either. Sooner both these religions and their narrow dogmas are completely destroyed, the better.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/sfprophecy sfprophecy

    a matter of concern indeed

  • Christopher

    Anyway America is predicted to be the first western nation to have a non-white majority! And of course you won't find drugs or porn shops in America!? Which country has the largest porn industry? Drug use in America is more common than in Europe. Mass immigration is an American idea, Europe started much later with these destructive policies. What does America really have? Hollywood with its mass produced cliche movies is all you have where your naive, hypocritical character is for all the world to see. You spend Billions of dollars for Israel plus your wars which you seem to be losing. I admit some countries in Europe are in a bad seat, but at least here people are aware of the situation. I will celebrate the day when America collapses into a third world nation and your false, degenerate culture gives you exactly what you deserve!

  • http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/ Rudolf Blodstrupmoen

    "Simply put, ordinary people are sick of being told by their “betters” what to do
    and think: they want with all their hearts to defend themselves and their own.
    Their message is: By all means, come to Europe and become
    one of us. But don’t come here to turn our culture and our values upside down."

    Gosh! Since when is that "our message"?

    Many (if not most) of us do not want any non-Western immigrants at all! Not even those we already have. No matter who they are and how they behave.

    We don't want more cultural, ethnical and religional diversity – multiculturalism and instabily. We have more than enough of it already. We are estranged enough.
    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/03/multicuhttp://www.reversespins.com/pcmarx.html

    My message is: "By all means, do not come to Europe. You'll never become one of us anyway. Don’t come or stay here and destroy our countries, local communities and lives and turn our culture and values upside down."

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