Will Europe Put its Foot Down? – by Hege Storhaug


“Either Islam will be Europeanized, or Europe will be Islamized.”  In recent years this prediction has been made by many major experts, among them the American Bernard Lewis, the Syrian-born German Bassam Tibi, and the French Gilles Kepel.  This is, without question, an uncomfortable and sensitive topic, but it’s one that is very pertinent now that the Swiss have put their foot down and said that they will not accept another minaret within their borders.

In recent decades, Islam has exploded in Europe.  You can see the changes with your own eyes from year to year – whether it’s the increasing presence of hijabs on the street in a city like Oslo, or the bearded men with ankle-high baggy pants, or the new and resplendent mosques that are under construction.  For my part, I’ve noticed an increasing insecurity and unease among “ordinary” people who feel like aliens in their own country.  People ask: what is the purpose of this project?  Don’t we, as a nation, have a right to pass our own cultural legacy, our traditions and values, on to our children and grandchildren?  Should we, in the name of tolerance, give in to the demands made by “others” whose influence is growing, and whose voices are becoming louder, as their numbers increase? Or as a Norwegian Labor Party politician said to me in a private conversation: “On the day that most of the members of the city council are Muslims, what do you think will happen to the right of Oslo bars to serve alcohol?”  Another leading Laborite with over a couple of decades’ experience in politics put it more bluntly when I asked him “What you think about immigration from the Muslim world?”  The answer was so crisp, merciless, and genuinely felt that I gasped: “What have they contributed?”  Period.

Let it be said that of course there are many Muslims in Europe who are getting along just fine and who get the same chills down their spines that other European citizens do when they think of Sharia and the lack of freedom that accompanies classical Islam.  But as a rule those aren’t the Muslims who are the most prominent members of their faith among us; they aren’t the ones who enjoy power in the Muslim community, and they aren’t the ones who are best organized and who have developed exceptionally strong connections to our public officials.

No, it’s not the secularized Muslims who are leading the way – far from it.  Ayaan Hirsi Ali made this clear when I and a colleague of mine from Human Rights Service in Oslo met her at the Dutch Parliament in The Hague in 2005.  As she put it, there most certainly are Muslims in Europe who want a Europeanized Islam – that is to say, a private, personal Islam without political and judicial influence.  But these aren’t the Muslims who are powerfully positioned in Europe’s community organizations, Europe’s corridors of power, and Europe’s universities.

Here is an interesting point: immigrants from Iran tend to be secular, well-integrated, and – very often – well-educated.  Here in Norway, Iranians have generally integrated themselves into our culture, accepting Norwegian values even as they’ve maintained Iranian traditions that don’t conflict with human rights, such as celebrating Iranian New Year.  But Iranians are not the leaders of Europe’s Muslim communities.  Nor can I think of a single mosque in Norway, or anywhere in Europe for that matter, that has been founded by Iranians.

If Iranians, generally speaking, have been an immigration success story, enriching Europe and becoming fully participating members of European society, this isn’t true of the members of many other major immigrant groups, whose origins are in traditional villages in other Muslim countries.  It’s precisely these people’s unwillingness (or inability?) to assimilate to European society – indeed, to appreciate such typically European values as freedom, equality, social participation, and personal responsibility – that may be a major reason why Switzerland said no to more minarets.  At some point, Europe must put its foot down if it truly wishes to continue to be the Europe we know today.  There is a limit as to how many minarets a society can live with, how many hijabs and baggy pants the streets of Europe can tolerate, before the public space becomes as ideologically charged and as palpably unfree as the streets of, say, Pakistan.  We need to stand up and preserve our culture – a successful culture that is itself the only reason why immigrants are streaming from the Muslim world to our continent rather than in the other direction.

Here’s a specific example of how misguided our politicians have been in their handling of the challenge of Islam – an example that I think provides a very clear picture of grotesque weakness.  In 1974, Muslim immigrants from Pakistan established the first mosque in Norway, the Islamic Cultural Centre (ICC).  The name has a comforting, harmless sound: a “cultural center” sounds like something very different from a mosque.  In reality, however, the ICC is a direct subsidiary of an extreme religio-political movement and political party in Pakistan, Jamaat-i-Islami (JI), which was established by one of the leading Islamist ideologues of the last century, Abu Ala Maududi (1903 – 1979). When Pakistan’s worst despot ever, General and President Zia ul-Haq (1977 – 1988), Islamized that country from top to bottom, his main inspiration was Maududi. Today Qazi Hussain Ahmad, who has been a top JI leader for several years and has been banned for security reasons from entering about 25 European countries, as well as Egypt.  He has been under house arrest in Pakistan several times for having instigated violent riots that took human lives. Unsurprisingly, he’s also a fan of Bin Laden. Yet he’s not prohibited from entering Norway, and when he landed at Oslo Airport in August 2004, the arrivals hall was packed with Norwegian-Pakistani men and boys who openly cheered him as a prophet.

The ICC, then, which has a grandiose new mosque with minarets in downtown Oslo, follows an ideology that is a carbon copy of Maududi’s terrifying, violent creed.  It doesn’t just belong to a philosophically dangerous movement; it belongs to a movement which preaches that Muslims should not become fully integrated members of Norwegian society.  This is exactly the same attitude that is preached at every mosque in Europe that has “respect” for itself.  And yet the ICC, like many other mosques that share its theology, was allowed to establish itself in Norway, and in Europe generally, without protest from anybody.  And that’s not all: today it’s one of the largest and most influential so-called faith communities among Norwegian Muslims and has, over the years, received tens of millions of kroner in government support because it is regarded – absurdly – as a purely religious body.

But Europe’s cultural elite is blind to this ugly reality.  On the contrary, that elite, which lives largely off of the dialogue industry – exchanging endless amiable platitudes with Muslim leaders – is all bent out of shape over Switzerland: it views the ban on minarets as an assault on free speech and on freedom of religion; the ban, according to the elite, is an offense against cultural diversity, an expression of intolerance, prejudice, and extremism that will lead to a clash of civilizations.  Not to mention that the ban violates international conventions.

Yet this same elite never gets worked up when Christians are murdered in Pakistan or when their churches and homes are burned down.  Or when women and men are stoned to death in Somalia, or when burka-clad women in Afghanistan are crammed together with goats in the backs of trucks.  Nor do they pay the slightest heed to a woman walking through the streets of Oslo in a burka – a garment that must be described as the clearest possible manifestation of antipathy to Western culture, a powerful statement of complete rejection of the society in which the woman lives.

It is not too much to say, then, that the elite is completely off-balance.  And it’s this lack of balance, this lack of sensible attitudes in the salons of the privileged, this lack of respect for their own culture and for the values on which that culture is founded, that the grass roots are reacting to.  Simply put, ordinary people are sick of being told by their “betters” what to do and think: they want with all their hearts to defend themselves and their own.  Their message is: By all means, come to Europe and become one of us.  But don’t come here to turn our culture and our values upside down. The people have, in short, begun to wake up and to say no to the utopian multicultural dream. For they realize that Norway will no longer be Norway, and the West will no longer be the West, if the country’s essential culture is not preserved; and Christianity is an indissoluble part of that culture.  Whether one is personally religious or not, that’s simply a fact.  If Islam is going to place itself at the heart of our culture, most Norwegians understand that what we now consider Norwegian will be dead and buried.  The only alternative would be a miracle: a revolution within Islam that would place all of Muhammed’s inhumane actions on the ash heap of history and reduce all of his “sacred” legal and political pronouncements to the status of fairy tales like A Thousand and One Nights. Of course, such a revolution would also require an end to all of the violence and hatred preached in the Koran.

For about a millennium, Islam has failed spectacularly to pull off such a revolutionary project.  It’s precisely for this reason that people are pouring out of these failed states (yes, they’re also failed on account of other kinds of ideological despotism, including socialist projects, which when combined with authoritarian, oppressive religion produce something like gunpowder). The big question, however, is this: why should we expect a form of Islam to develop in Europe that is entirely antithetical to the form of Islam found in the Muslim world?

Of course Norway, and Europe as a whole, should not embrace any and every kind of culture or religion that finds its way here.  But where to draw the line?  There is no one answer to this question.  The answer will vary according to the nature of the culture or religion and the strength of the challenge that it represents.  But if we sell out our mainstream culture, and relativize it, accept a watering down of our rights, we may end up with a set of supposedly democratic but in fact empty and meaningless ideals that fail to provide us citizens with a values-related map or compass.  And what can happen in critical situations if the people don’t share a sense of community?  How can we ensure a sense of belonging if, for example, freedom of speech faces a major threat or if we suffer a terrorist attack?  Can we risk having civil war-like conditions, as we is already the case in Europe’s no-go zones?  Democratic order is, above all, a technical and practical matter, and it can thus never replace people’s need for a community, their need to be part of a common culture.

People must, then, have feelings – positive ones – about one another.  Last winter I had a thought-provoking experience on the east side of Oslo on my way home after work.  A thin layer of snow covered the icy streets.  A Somali women dressed in a tent slipped on the ice as I passed her.  Instinctively, I grabbed her and thus managed to prevent what could have been a bad fall, and helped her back to her feet.  I asked if she was okay, but she just hurried on with a completely expressionless look on her face.  Not a single sign of human connection, not a single glance at me.  I stood there feeling empty and alienated.

Awareness of a society’s and a culture’s need for a sense of community seems especially absent from the EU system.  The kind of communal feeling I am talking about contrasts sharply with the multicultural mentality of the pro-EU and antinational forces.  They refuse to understand that a nation’s culture – its folk songs, traditions, holy days, flags, and national anthems – is different from a broad-based constitution based on ideals of equality.  A text, simply put, cannot replace a feeling of community.  A national community with strong survival instincts is founded not on a text but on matters that are close to the heart, on traditions, on things that are palpable, on things as obvious as a common language and a sense of belonging to a fatherland.  And yes, this sense of community also has something to do with the churches and church spires, as well as the church’s rituals and traditions.  The principles that tie people together cannot be legislated by politicians; such bonds call for something more – trust between citizens, national loyalty, a high degree of agreement as to what freedom is and is not, and a broad sense of support for the obligations that a real community demands of its members.

The minarets, then, don’t symbolize community in the European sense – they symbolize the umma, the Muslim community.  They don’t represent loyalty to Norway or Switzerland or any other European country – they represent loyalty to Mecca and to the umma.  They don’t signify freedom, but illiberalism (women’s oppression, the punishment of apostasy with death).  The minarets, in short, embody the antithesis of the Declaration of Human Rights (as is clear to anyone who has read the 1990 Cairo Declaration about so-called “human rights in Islam,” which was formulated by the Organization of the Islamic Conference).  Nor are they, one might add, a part of our architectural tradition or any other Western tradition.  On the contrary, they bear witness to a state of mind that views us, the “others,” as strangers.

The policy of forcing oneself to tolerate something for which one has no sympathy whatsoever will, moreover, only erode the national culture.  Pointing fingers and making moral judgments is not the way to enhance tolerance.

In light of the immigration from the Muslim world, it’s very important for us to be aware of the history of our Western democracy.  It’s not true, after all, that we adopted democracy, with all the magnificent liberal values that accompanied it, and then developed a broad community of the people.  On the contrary, our free society is a historical consequence of a communal society based on trust, a shared culture in which Christianity has naturally played a central role.  Norway would not have managed to come together under our constitution, signed at Eidsvoll in 1814, if the country that produced it had been split along cultural and religious lines.  The people whose representatives met at Eidsvoll were a people who shared essentially the same culture and religion and who could hence agree on the text upon which their nation was to be founded.  The same thing happened when the Puritans settled in New England and built a society that grew into American democracy.  It is actually somewhat odd to think that America owes the liberal democracy enshrined in its founding documents to a group of original settlers whose strong sense of community was based on conservative religion and illiberal traditions.  It is, then, shared cultural norms, and not theoretical or abstract ideals of equality or international conventions, that lead people to stand shoulder to shoulder and to find community together.  A liberal democracy such as that of Norway or Switzerland is not and never has been self-sustaining.

The minaret case, then, can be very critical for Europe’s future.  How many minarets can Europe tolerate before our strong sense of communal connection is dissolved?  What will happen, then, to our democracy’s liberal values and to the social harmony we have enjoyed?  These are questions that most of the political parties in Norway and in a number of other European countries do not wish to address.  As I wrote a few days ago, they absolutely refuse to recognize that Islam is an ideology and a social system, a religion of laws – a religion with a political orientation and with political ambitions.   Yet Islam and Christianity are still treated by Norwegian (and European) officials as identical twins.  This misguided way of thinking may end up costing us heavily.  We must learn from the Swiss as quickly as possible – must learn, that is, to face up to, and respond appropriately to, the political and legal realities of the Islamic congregations in our midst.

This essay originally appeared in Norwegian on the website of Human Rights Service, www.rights.no, and was translated into English by Bruce Bawer.

  • Robert Bernier

    Every American should see this video !

    The ambition of Islam to conquer the world.
    For centuries Islam of the militants have been on the march to conquer the world. We did not notice because we chose not to notice. The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in
    1920 by Hassan al-Banna in Egypt and was in deep confrontation with the Egyptian government. The current goals for Islam to achieve global domination for a Muslim Caliphate: a world under strict Islamic “Sharia” law, pulling Muslims back to the 7th Century. Consult : http://xrl.us/bf66jj

  • Robert Bernier

    Europe is not yet defeated.
    Voices in the UK and in the Nederland are getting everyday louder. With hope coming back in the heart of the population, the west will overcome the invasion of Islam as explained at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2008/09

  • Proxywar

    Nowhere in my post above did I say christianity had not changed since then.You missed the point of my example. I was explaining the founding of Americaas we know it, it was not founded on or out of Jamestown principles and law.Infact, the opposite is true.I agree european-christians did put an end to the slave trade. I've written a compared study on this history. In Particularly, I'm quite fond of wilber force, samuel Ajay, and david livingstone. They followed timothy 1: 9-10 and Galatians 3:28.Infact, the europeans who founded these new lands where taught the slave trade by the Arab muslims. Infact, the Islamic/Arab slave trade was much worse than the european trans atlantic slave trade.We have a academic disagreement not one based on survival.

    • oogenhand

      And many Black Nationalists have the gall to say that abolition of slavery is nothing more than your moral duty, and nothing to be proud of. That slavery continues in the Muslim world doesn't bother them in the least, because "everybody does it, isn't a moral argument". In fact, all beautiful moral ideals the West develops, are used against the West.
      There is however, also a problem with Christianity. Christianity requires large families, but forbids wars of conquest. This produces moral quandaries. In practice, Christians have large families, invade someone else's territory, then feel guilty about it, and start destroying their society by becoming Liberal. Also, it could be argued that slavery prevents that subjugated enemies are totally exterminated. We see that in Syria. Because Islam forbids enslaving Muslim women and children, both parties in the civil war have resorted to killing women and children.

  • Gamal

    Getting rid of minarets doesn't solve the problem it just hides the problem so the Swiss feel better. Replacing the radical Muslim preachers with moderate pro-integration preachers and expelling radical Muslims is the way to deal with the problem. Good luck finding such moderates.

  • pennswoods

    Who cares if Islam is invading Europe by massive Muslim immigration and that the follwers of the pagan moon god of medina will take that continent over in a few generations? Western European culture is dead and all these Europeans have today surrounding them is a museum of their past which they rush by in their cars everyday or are to stoned to care about. Since WW II these arrogant Europeans immagined they would teach those bigoted Americans a thing or two about “tolerance” and race relations by opening their door to the 3rd world. It will be fun to see Islam close the bars and nude beaches and porn shops and end prostitution as well as freedom in Europe in the next few generations. Even more fun is watching how these spineless European Dhimmi's welcome their cultural and democratic self destruction. I hope the same Europeans who finally wake up when it's too late to save their continent from this Islamic invasion and eventual domination don't have plans to come to live in the USA as their religious intellectual ancestorsdid after so many of their continents upheaveals in the past including from Communism and the Nazis's in the last century. When Islam finally takes over I can't wait to see the biggest flea market in history as a Muslim dominated Europe sells off the treasures from European museums and cathedrals and private collections…Salaam baby!

  • Proxywar

    The pact of omar stipulates christians can't even build churches in islamic lands.
    Which we clearly see in saudi-arabia. The following slogan should be adopted: No churchs in the sinai no minarets in Switzerland!!!

    Christianity today isn't as dangerous as islam is today I'll give you that much, but the christian conservatives of today do try to rewrite our founding and our founding fathers faiths.

    Let me just give one example to make my point.

    John Blanchard claims that the Jamestown landing signifies that, “We were started as a Christian nation and I feel it's God's purpose we stay a Christian nation.” Indeed, to read The Assembly 2007 web site, one would think that the King had sent missionaries to Virginia. Far from it. The London Company behind the venture pooled investors interested in making money. For years, it floundered badly. Eventually, the company gave up the commercial charter and control reverted to the Crown. The gauzy view of Christians claiming the land for Christ and King is clarified by history.

    When news of The Assembly 2007 and Blanchard's claim reached Joe Conn at Americans United for Separation of Church and State, he pulled out his history books in rebuttal: “According to Anson Phelps Stokes' Church And State in the United States, the London Company's November 20, 1606 'Articles, Instructions, and Orders' did, indeed, demand that the prospective American colony 'provide that the true word, and service of God and Christian faith be preached.' But the charter added that the 'true word' must be 'according to the doctrine, rights, and religion now professed and established within our realme of England.'”

    In other words, Jamestown was to be a bastion of the Anglican Church, the established faith of England. The local government was to enforce religious conformity, not religious freedom. According to Leo Pfeffer's Church, State and Freedom, the leaders of the Virginia settlement wasted no time in carrying out that edict. Governor Thomas Dale in 1612 mandated “Lawes Divine, Moral and Martial” that decreed the death penalty for those who “speak impiously of the Trinity… or against the known articles of the Christian faith.”

    Those who cursed would have a bodkin (needle) “thrust through the tongue,” and all immigrants to the new land were to report to the Anglican minister for “examination in the faith.” Anyone who refused faced a daily whipping “until he makes acknowledgement.”

    Good thing christianity has chilled out since then.

    Good books to read:

    The Godless Constitution: A Moral Defense of the Secular State.
    The Founding Fathers and The Place of Religion in America.
    The faiths of the founding fathers.

    You can read all of these books and still be a limited government conservative.

    Infact, I am a godless conservative who respects intellectual christian opinions. However, the rewriting of our founding and of our founding fathers faiths needs to stop. Christians will still be important without this comfort blanket. That is the genius of the Constitution it was designed to provide religious freedom. But if Islam can't follow the golden rule like the christians, hindus, buddhist, and jews do in this country then we should seriously look into taking switzerland-like precautions.

    How is it the japanese bring their wonderful culture to America but Muslims bring mostly violence and political demands? Japanese food is delicious. So is Chinese food. Muslim food? They don't even share it with us. I've never seen a muslim restaurant.

  • Tom

    Dear Proxywar

    Interesting that you have to go back more than 300 years with the “bodkin pierced tongue” to illustrate Christianity's intolerance. Christianity (even the fundamentalists) have grow up in the world and changed.

    Regrettably the Muslims still live in a past where beheadings and stonings are considered acceptable and normal.

    When was the last time a witch was burned at the stake in the civilized world? How many christians have been murdered by their fellow christians for changing their religion or even rejecting it altogether?

    It was Christians in this country who put an end to slavery. Interestingly enough, it MUSLIMS who still practice slavery.

    It was Christians and Jews who helped pass the civil rights act. MUSLIMS wouldn't know a civil right if it bit them on their ass.

  • Sam B.

    "By all means, come to Europe and become one of us. But don’t come here to turn our culture and our values upside down."Very touching…and naive. And oh, so liberal and "tolerant"! So…the writer, on the one hand deplories FF Ismalization of Norway, now extendfs the same invitation (with conditions, of course) that brought about this disaster in the first place. Doesn't he realize that this will only add to the problem? Before Europe, the West, can go back (or continue) the same liberal policies that led to this present state, a moratorium–better, a halt–must be called on all immigration from Islamania…no matter how willing those immigrants to assimilate…and that all Jihadist supporters be deported back to their lands of origin. Native born jihadist supporters should be carefully montored. The Emma Goldmans and Alexander Berkmans of the past and foreign-born communists were deported, and the left in the US was not nearly as dominant and aggressive as islam is now. And certainly as big a growing problem.

    • http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/ Rudolf Blodstrupmoen

      "Doesn't he" – although the translator of this article is male, the author is female.

  • SteveNVicki

    How is it you come by any sense of “Respect” for opinions? Where does this “Golden Rule” come from? You call yourself Godless yet acknowledge a standard apart from yourself (you may choose to follow it or not but the standard we all recognize, that of Fair Play, Decent Behavior, Respect, etc. exists OUTSIDE of our own making) From whence does this come? You essentuialy say there is no real Right & Wrong but then measure yourself by a Moral Standard not of yourself. Unlike gravity, time, etc. we can choose to obey these moral “Laws” or not. But please recognize that WE didn't write them. “A Moral Defense….” Based upon a standard or just how you happen to feel at the time?

  • Proxywar

    So you are deist? So were the founding fathers imput that actually mattered.

    Just because I am godless does not mean I expect you to be.
    As long as you follow the Golden Rule which is taught in evolution (easily observed via Reciprocal altruism) and by every religion accept Islam we don't have a problem. Cyrus the great also followed the golden rule. It's common sense something muslims do not have.

    I am a free-thinker and conservative just like our founding fathers were.

    I never said there was no right or wrong. I am not a amoral thinker.

  • hoolat

    Islam is pure evil to the core. islam is not a religion but a political movement to achieve global dominance. Show me a churhc or a hindu temple or a jewish temple in saudia arabia. Go to Egypt and see how they deal with the Coptic Christains, the egyptians treat them like animals, burn down their chruches at every riot and they dont allow new chruches to be build, infact you have to ask permission from the president of egypt to build a church.

    In Turkey, they have taken Hagia Sofia Church and turned it to a Mosque, then into a museum. Still they will not give back Hagia Sofia to be a church again. Muslims are hypocrates. Turkey has a mission to wipe off all churches and convert them into secular museums and thus will elimanate the christains populations.

    Christains are not allowed to be christains in middle-east, period. Now muslims shout. Give me a church, hindu temple, jewish temple, buddist temple or any other temple in the heart of Mecca or Medina and then I will voice my dis-taste for the swiss vote.


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  • henry

    this is a response to Mary, who shows the old historic Churches in the wider-middle-east to show there are churches in Middle-East. Remember, Saudia arabia,iran,egypt,turkey,etc will not allow to build new churches but look at the West and look at the islamic sites promoting the largest mosque building in michagan,USA and in Rome, Germany,France, Britain. Islam boasts some of the biggest and cosliest mosque building in the western hemisphere and the fastest mosque building ever.

    So Why are muslims countries so restrictive on church building. Please take a look to see how the west treat islam and muslims judge for yourself if you have a brain to do so. Just Google mosques in America and you get thousands of mosque and also make sure you see the pictures. Also view the one being build in Michangan as the LARGEST mosque in North America.


  • paul anosta

    this is a response to Brian regarding islamic spain ruled for 700 years.
    WHY DID ISLAM INVADE SPAIN IN THE FIRST PLACE with the islamic sword and after conquouring then became peaceful with the christains and jews. They the christains and jews were in a dhimi status(second class citizens) for if the muslims didnt allow this there would be civil wars within the newly conquored spain as thousand and thousand of christain and jewish women and children were being taken as slaves in the newly formed islamic spain during that time and so not to distrub or afraid they the christains will become like islamic ruthless people.

    Also the crusades were in response to the islamic oppression of the christians in the holy land. Yes, there were brutalities which were commited by the christains and vice versa, but these were started by islam to achieve mass amounts of land and slaves, please read your history just dont talk out of your naive islamic brain.

    But what has these past history to do with modern day status as Dhimi(Second Class citizens) for christains,buddists,jews,sikhs and other religions in muslim countries. All non-muslims countries especially the west has bend down to accomodate muslims, and some to the extent as to bend western liberal laws for islam. Yet, islam is not satisfied, it will never be until it conqours the west like the old times.

  • nadia

    Muslims say, but there are churches in the middle-east. Yes there are, but these churhes were build before islam invaded certain countries which include egypt,lebanon etc and or are very old and crumbling. In egypt they will not even allow to repair them. Islam wants those egyption churches to fall and crumble and there will not give any permission to build new ones.

    Why do muslims say do not include saudia arabia for churches as the mention the vatican to do the same, Dont you muslims have hundreds of Mosque in Italy, isnt the vatican inside italy. The UN and western media dont see this, muslims dont see this. I wonder what would happen to a girl in a red mini-dress (muslims stop thinking of the girl as a ho) walking the street in saudi arabia, egypt, iran and the other glorious islamic countries. Dont you dare give me, but its muslim culture to cover up, where is the girl right to walk in a red mini-dress in all islamic countries, just as a human being.

    You Muslims are such hypcocrates, that is why islam as a religion will fail. You can see the fault of others very clearly but fail to see your own filth. You want to spread your religion around the western countries but will severely restrict your own islamic countries from building churches.

    But wait what has swiss muslims got to do with the islamic countries, they are peaceful so they should be allowed to build a mosque. But also wait what has the egyption christain copts got to do with the western christain countries, they are also peaceful and should be allowed to build their churches in egypt,saudia arabia, iran.

    See the muslim hyprocrazy .

  • shanti

    Claiming “Islam” means “peace” is fraudulent to begin with. Islam is an Arabic word. And the word for peace in Arabic is “solh,” and not Islam. Islam is derived from the root word “taslim,” which means submission or surrender. Hence, Islam’s true name, surrender, is in fact most descriptive of what it is: total, unconditional submission and surrender of the individual and the community to the will and dictates of Allah as revealed by his “rasool,” messenger, Muhammad.

  • imran

    Hey he,Hey he !!!!! Let it be known to mankind that Christains,Hindus,Buddists,Sikhs and all other religions are not allowed to say anything bad about islam, for islam is the only true religion in the world per United Nations.

    If Islam rapes your women, kills your children, behead your sons,father and husband so shall it be for its the true religion per UN. let it be know that in islam there is no equality, therefore no churches or temples of any kind in muslim land especially in saudia arabia, iran, sudan,turkey, egypt, somalia,pakistan,bangladesh or any other muslims majority country, dont like it too bad as authorized by the United Nations.

    All discriminations done by muslims to all other faith should be tolorated as under the United Nations recommendations and laws stated and drafted with the oil money in the UN. Therfore all non-muslims children shall be given as slaves to muslims for generation to come, daughters,mothers and sisters are to be given to muslims as fit per United Nations and sanctions will be imposed on those non-muslims countries that do not apply with the UN Draft Resolution :”Islam the true religion on Earth”


  • Nicolas F

    Turkish PM recently said; “The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets and the minarets are our bayonets”…..is it any wonder that civilised people everywhere worry about the advance of Islam.

    Islam is not a tolerant religion and does not respect the rights of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Atheists or even gays in Muslim or Western lands. Since the failed policy of multiculturalism has been forced down our throats we have seen that diverse cultures can not co-exist together, they clash.

    Muslims are still allowed to build mosques in Switzerland but minarets are out. I applaud the Swiss for having the guts to have 'citizens initiated referenda ' in their Constitution. This gives citizens the mechanism to challenge the Govts. position on many issues. Power to the people.

    The Maldives is about to pass a UN written Constitution which states that all citizens of the Maldives must be muslim. Isn't this racist and also discriminatory? It is typical of the muslims and also the UN to point the finger at others while neglecting the plight of the real victims.

    Saudi Arabia bans churches and synagogues and does not allow the reading of ther Bible. Many Filippinos have been murdered for holding a pray or Bible study in the Saudi Kingdom. Where are the crys from the UN?

  • BS77

    Moderates? Come on! Get real. The idiot PC multicult liberal Europeans are now reaping what they sowed….they enabled millions of non assimilating, unskilled hostile immigrants to enter their nations….now the guests are pushing out the hosts. THey claim the neighborhoods as “Muslim lands”…..Pity the liberal fool as he tries to survive his idiotic decisions and moronic social engineering errors. European liberals did little or nothing to stop Hitler when they could….it took the deaths of tens of millions of people finally end that horrible era…..and it was not liberal diplomacy and effete negotiations…it was Patton and direct military force, it was the Russian Army killing hundreds of thousands of Nazi troops. Getting the minarets out of Europe means getting the jihadists out of Europe….sorry, but that's the reality.

  • BS77

    “Overcoming the invasion”…what does that mean…deportation? How will Euroweenies overcome 15-20% of their population?

  • USMCSniper

    Watch Mark Steyn (10 minutes on European Demographics and hy Europe is already lost)

    American Muslim demographics have the same trend.

    Muslim Demographics In America

    8 million in America
    7 million in the U.S.; 1 million in Canada.
    Larger than Norway, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland & Sweden.
    Annual growth rate of 6% versus 0.9% for total U.S.2
    Interaction between Indigenous and Immigrant Muslims is limited.
    Same size community as Hispanics 25 years ago.
    4,2 children per family

    67% of adult American Muslims are under 40 years old
    67% of the adult American population is over 40 years old3
    American Muslims are younger and demograhically the future of America:

    67% of American Muslims have a Bachelor's degree or higher
    44% of Americans have a Bachelor’s degree or higher3
    The Variance for Advanced Degrees is even greater.
    One in ten American Muslim HH has a physician / medical doctor

    U.S. Average income is $42,158 per year (U.S. Census 2000)
    66% of American Muslim HH's earn over $60,000 / year
    26% of American Muslim HH's earn over $100,000 / year

    Mosques in the United States: 1,209
    American Muslims associated with a mosque: 2 million
    Increase in number of mosques since 1994: 25 percent
    Proportion of mosques founded since 1980: 62 percent
    Average number of Muslims associated with each mosque in the United States: 1,625
    U.S. mosque participants who are converts: 30 percent
    American Muslims who “strongly agree” to participate in changing American institutions and the political process: 70 percent

  • Elizabeth

    Do not be wise in in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and turn away from evil. Proverbs 3:7

    Anyone who could read this excellent article on the dangers that Europe is facing from Islamic colonization and then use it as an excuse to go on a diatribe against Christianity in America is nothing less than a sorry egomaniac imagining himself to be very wise. You are deluded, sir.

  • Gamal

    Getting the minarets out of Europe does not get any Jihadists out of Europe. That's my point. It just makes the Swiss feel better. It would be much better if the Muslims can build their minarets all over the place until the Swiss finally remove the Jihadists from their midst and save the country. Otherwise they'll just go to sleep until its too late.

  • Elizabeth

    Good point. However, I think it is a positive sign that the Swiss are finally doing something to protect their culture. Maybe this will encourage the rest of Europe to do the same. Anyway, it's a start.

  • SteveNVicki

    Proxywar, My point is trying to help you see that you too are a deist. Think about it. You recognize there is a “Golden Rule.” The minute we make note of this Rule we must accept that we didn't write it and that it exits apart from us. Also, to clarify, I like most will find excuses for when I don't adhere to it. Common sense doesn't fit either. When a person knowingly puts their own life at risk for that of another…this isn't common sense but is, in fact, decent behavior, the following of a Moral Rule that we ALL know exists to put others before ourselves. Again, I, more often than not, don't follow this but that doesn't mean I can't see it. I know I simply choose at those times not to obey it. The “Rule” is still there…as is my free choice. The writer of that rule you make as your standard is???

  • tlwinslow

    As Western govts. blithely allow mass Muslim immigration regardless of the consequences, most people are still Islam history ignoramuses. After Ft. Hood, it's getting dangerous to be. Learn the key facts of Islam's rise, spread and core beliefs fast free and accurate online with the Historyscoper, click http://go.to/islamhistory

  • Elizabeth

    tlwinslow, you are so correct! Most people are Islam history ignoramuses. The frightening thing is that they like it that way! To face the truth is terrifying really, but the irony is by not facing it, the ignoramuses are creating their own terrifying future! BTW, Robert Spencer's book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam, is brilliant as is Hal Lindsey's, The Everlasting Hatred.

  • BS77

    Regarding the photo at top of this article: What is that walking next to that woman? Is that a gigantic Hefty Bag? A black tent with a human being trapped inside? What is wrong with these people…dressing up in black shrouds?? The whole thing is incomprehensible to any rational modern person. I mean, for pete's sake, who wants to dress like that? It looks like Death walking…..and that's what it is ….Death for Europe. So what will Europeans do? So far, they have acted like door mats.

  • carneryork

    What if there was a cult that had as its main goal, the domination of the world? What if members of this cult were responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people around the world? One would think that western democracies would seek to defend themselves against these cultists. But the main weapon that these cultists have is political correctness, the most powerful societal force today. So, it seems both terribly sad and obvious to conclude that the only thing that can render PC impotent would be a situation in which it is not only counter productive but an impediment to survival. Only world war will bring this about and we will have only ourselves to blame for allowing it.

  • TorontoJoe

    I would sooooo shag that ninja's, err woman's, daughter. hehehe

    Yes, ninja. I live in Toronto and there are niqab-sporting women in my building. It's startling to walk into the laundry room and find 'Shinobi' standing there.
    It's only natural to wonder if it's actually a woman or an assassin sent to 'punch my card.'

  • LindaRivera

    Prime Minister of Turkey, Erdogan, publicly read an Islamic poem: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and Muslims our soldiers…”

    The fruit of Islam in Europe 2. Awake up Europe

    Europastan: The Islamic Future of Europe

    In Sweden, many Muslim youth wear a t-shirt proclaiming: “2030-then we take over”

    “One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
    —Former Algerian President Houari Boumedienne’s prophetic warning to Europe in a speech at the U.N. In 1974.

    So much suffering of innocents. It is overwhelming. See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    What a crime against innocent humanity that no one speaks out at anti-freedom, anti-human rights UN against Islamic persecution!

  • LindaRivera

    BERLIN POLICE UNDER SIEGE FROM MUSLIMS – The future of America and other Western countries?

    It's WAR against all non-Muslims. A war that has lasted for centuries. Europe's response to war? There is no response. Only acceptance and submission to Islam. Whilst Muslims openly declare their goal is conquest:

    An authoritative Muslim stated: “Thanks to your democratic laws we will invade you; thanks to our religious laws we will dominate you.” http://www.meforum.org/article/448

    “Soon we will take power in this country. Those who criticize us now, will regret it. They will have to serve us. Prepare, for the hour is near.”
    — Belgium-based imam, “De Morgen”, Oct. 5, 1994. Cited in Koenraad Elst, “The Rushdie Rules”, Middle East Quarterly, June 1998.

    In Sweden, many Muslim youth wear a t-shirt proclaiming: “2030-then we take over”

    In Britain, Sheikh Bakri: “We will use your democracy to destroy your democracy.”

    Leaflets were distributed in major British cities which included slogans such as: “The final hour will not come until the Muslims kill the Jews.”

    Britain's response? “police appeared reluctant to prosecute because the calls to fight the Jews were carefully couched in quotes from the Koran.”

    Does Britain believe it's acceptable to call for the RELIGIOUS MURDER of Jews and other innocents because it's in the Koran? In a frightening violation of the Peoples' right to protection, the UK showed respect for the public call to murder non-Muslims because it's in the Koran!

    PA Muslims CELEBRATE Murder of 3,000 American Innocents 9/11

  • LindaRivera

    FIREMEN IN SWEDEN ATTACKED BY MUSLIMS – The future of America and the West?
    A hostile Muslim population that sets fires, then attacks firemen when they come to put out the fires…

    Council on American-Islamic Relations: “Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” – Omar Ahmad (CAIR co-founder).

    ’“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”
    —Former Algerian President Houari Boumedienne’s prophetic warning to Europe in a speech at the U.N. In 1974.


    Islam's Intolerance Towards the West

  • xyz

    Whatever your religion, if you are American or “Western” this disease called Islam is spreading and it's coming to a neighborhood near you. We are living in the present and the western religions have moved past their errors as they are discovered. No one today would burn or drown someone due to witchcraft or wage pogroms or enslave a race in the US.

    The Psycho-Islamists don't live in “today,” they live in another time and another mind set. All peoples have committed atrocities at some time or another in history. None of that makes any sense as an excuse for what the Islamo-crazies are doing today.

    Today they are kidnapping Christian women and forcing them to convert and marry Muslim men. Do you have female relatives? Do you want that to happen to any of them? Today they are hanging homosexuals. Today they are pirating vessels and demanding millions of dollars. Has any of that stolen money gone to help their impoverished people? Today they are strapping suicide vests on and exploding their blood and innards into crowds of innocent people, Muslim and other. Today they are rioting, burning, murdering across Europe. Today they are demanding that they be treated “special.” Why? Because they consider themselves to be special. Today, they are teaching their children to hate from birth.

    Today in America they want foot baths installed in our secular schools, airports, public places. Today they want prayer rooms installed in our secular places. Today they want sharia law practiced in their Muslim enclaves here in the west. Today they have over 1000 “No Go Zones” in Europe. That is starting to happen here in the us.

    What will they want tomorrow if we continue to give them what they want today? What are the limits we will put up with before we recognize what's happening.

    Is great to get on here and chat about the problems but we need to start spreading the word the word to people who can't seem to find their way here. Start talking to people in the world, make our legislators listen to us or we will wind up like Europe.

    The Islamic Saudis threaten us with withholding oil. They say we need them more than they need us. If we would start drilling or building nuclear power plants or coal plants then we would find out who needs who more. We get it all ready and then we do an “oil embargo” on them. Then we can stop making excuses as to why we're putting up with their ordering us around. Europe got stuck in the place they are due to oil. The Saudis dictate European foreign policy, including policy regarding Israel and Palestine. That's why Europe is turning their backs on the Jews. Oil has become Europe (and possibly) our new morality.

    Stand up and stop all the politically correct bullshit that is shoving us into this “Brave New World” with all its double-speak. Demand from your media to start telling it like it is. Why are we so afraid of telling the truth? It is because we are afraid of the backlash from our Left, our Muslims, our “do-gooders? Tell them where to go. I hear Pakistan is nice this time of year. Maybe they would be happier there.

    They seem to think that we need to show the rest of the world how nice and moral
    we are by waging a nice war. Our soldiers overseas are not only under the gun as they fight this war of terror but also they have to worry about what their government is going to do to them if they don't play nice as they fight the war. They worse we make it for them as we fight this war, the sooner it will be over. Make them know that it's a big mistake to screw with us. Give them the ooops factor. Make them think they should never do that again. Believe me. Those Muslims who are so called moderate will decide that it is better to be on our side. I'll put up with, in the short run, all the static we'll get, in exchange for a future without this crap.

  • danieln40

    I have asked this question for years now – What have muslims contributed to civilized society in the past 1,000 years. Seriously I can't think of one major invention. Examples – gunpowder – Chinese, automobile – white europeans, airplanes – white europeans, telephone – white europeans, etc. etc. etc. I cannot think of one major invention or contribution to the human race by muslims. As far as I am concerned these throwbacks to human society all need to move back to their craphole countries and stay there. Europe is almost lost. I haven't been back since the 90's, and never plan on going back again. Even here in the U.S. muslims cause discord and break many laws we consider heinous. Phoenix – Iranian muslim runs over own daughter and friend killing them because he felt his daughter was too westernized. Somalian family disowned 8 year old daughter because she was gang raped – GANG RAPED, and these piece of craps disown their own daughter. Over the years muslims have made me more and more racist and bigoted. The older I get the more hypocrisy and mulsim crap they pull really disgusts me. Muslims and Islam have no place in Europe, Asia, or the Americas. Keep them in Africa and the Middle East where they can live in their own misery instead of spreading that misery around.

  • Havoc

    Please, spare me the 'peaceful, secular muslim' prattle. The problem is Islam. The solution is No Islam.

  • http://twitter.com/ARKovnat Alex Kovnat

    @Havoc: Your judgement sounds harsh but is not without merit. I've always said that if Fidel Castro were born in Egypt or Yemen, he would have become an Islamic fanatic while if Osama Bin Laden were born in Honduras or El Salvador or Nicaragua, he would have been a communist.

  • CowboyUp

    You say that, but would you really like to see that kind of injustice, oppression, and suffering?
    I'd often like to see someone get their *ss kicked to learn a lesson, but there are few I'd like to see dead or extinct, even the despicable French. All have contributed to our culture and the development of mankind and I'd rather not see them or their cultures extinct (though wishes have no bearing on reality). I bust on them, but I'd much rather they wise up than give me petty satisfaction. What people do to themselvesor consenting adults doesn't bother me (I can say no), it's when they do unto unwilling others…

  • Cromforever77

    I think Judeism and islam are identical twins.

  • GBoydA

    To Proxywar

    I do not know anyone who was forced to become a Christian, nor anyone who attempted to force anyone to be a Christian. However Islam as I understand is either convert or die under the sharia law. Athiest organizations spend millions of Dollars to remove a christian symbol and sue if a Christian prayer is said in public. I am a Christian and have many Christian as well as non Christian friends. Never would I attempt to force anyone to convert.
    So where does the problems lie with christianity??????????????? You Prove to me this nations founding fathers were not Christian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Richard Hode

    The point about the Iranian immigrants is well taken. I live in the San Fernando Valley, a suburb of Los Angeles. The Valley is the hub of a great deal of medical activity with several excellent hospitals and myriads of specialists educated at the best medical schools in America. However, it is commonly agreed that the best cardiac surgeon in the Valley is an aged Iranian who fled his former home when Khomeini took power. This physician is known as a surpassing cardiac surgeon whose patients almost never suffer complications. In addition, he is a very pleasant man, so pleasant that you almost don't mind that he is going to rip open your chest and cut and splice the inner plumbing. He is greatly appreciated by patients and colleagues alike and we are lucky to have him in our community.

  • Mike

    Gamal, that is only part of the solution. The real solution is to deport all non-Europeans and to restore the natural ethnic folk of the Europe as the rightful posessor of its land. Non-Europeans may visit and even live there for a while as guests. However, only people of European descent may be citizens. If that's racist, so be it.

  • Mike

    Pennswood; have you noticed all the illegal Mexicans etc in the USA. Sure, they're not muslim, but they don't much care for gringos. We have our own third world mess right here at home.

  • Mike

    The god of the old testament and the god of islam is the same murderous psychopath. The Old Testament and the Quoran sound like they were written about the same 'god'.

  • Richard Hode

    You're not seeing the forest for the trees and are making the same mistake as the Japanese when they attacked Pearl Harbor. If any responsible Japanese authority had read American history he would soon have seen that Americans are not a people to take a blow unavenged, and never have. To believe Japan could attack America and establish a Pacific hegemony without a hell of a fight was to live in a delusion. This fact was eventually driven home to the Japanese by forceful means.

    Like America, Europe has an exceptionally bloody and vicious history. (Indeed, America is a continuation of the Western expansion whose root is European culture.) The Europeans have fought each other in vicious wars for millennia for power, religion, inheritance, and almost any other reason imaginable. The culminating horror was the attempted extermination of Europe's Jews, incredibly a mere 60 years ago. Like America, these are not people to go quietly, but they need something that fires them up before they move. It is ironic that what may finally pull the Europeans together in a true Union is the presence of Islam in their midst. Don't sell the Europeans short, they can be just as vicious as anybody else and have given plenty of proof of it.

  • Richard Hode

    “I've never seen a muslim restaurant.”

    Did you ever see a christian restaurant? (Lowercase to match quote.) I wonder what they might have on the menu. Wafers and wine, certainly. Possibly, a lamb dish so well prepared that diners call it divine. Also, the menu could be divided into categories, from the strict and austere fare of certain monastic orders to the opulence and gastronomy of bishops and cardinals. Dessert would be Shoo-fly pie by the Amish.

    Try looking for restaurants by ethnicity rather than religion. Food is based on ethnicity, not religion which is the reason for the diversity of the cuisine of “Christian” Europe. To find a “muslim” restaurant, try an Indian eatery. It may be run by either Moslems or Hindus. Check the walls for pictures. If you see Ganesha or Krishna the Blue Boy, then you are probably not in a Moslem establishment. Iranian restaurants are naturally enough run by Iranians who are normally Shiites if they believe in anything at all. (The Iranians are very similar to Westerners, far more similar than the Turks. If Iran managed to overthrow the theocracy it would be an excellent candidate for EU membership, a far superior choice over Turkey.)

    I have had the pleasure of eating in several Palestinian restaurants in Jerusalem and Haifa, and Moroccan and Tunisian restaurants in Paris, France. I can attest to the culinary excitement of being presented with about 20 colorful side dishes served with hot pita. The color and variety of the spices and dishes are selected to please the eye while giving a great dining experience. I have also eaten frequently in the souk of Tangiers, Morocco where I was introduced to roasted bull’s testicle. A single one is sufficient for a meal, I assure you.

    I will not even start on the Indonesian restaurants in the Netherlands, with dishes that are commonly enjoyed by everybody such as loempia, kropoek and the rijsttafel.

    Try to remember that underneath religion there is also an ethnic component which is usually more in tune with its surroundings than the otherwordliness of religion and religious speculation. I will leave it at that. You might benefit from getting out more rather than spending all your time at they keyboard saving the world, not that I don’t appreciate it. The Islamic religion may have many deficiencies, but its adherents’ cuisine is not one of them.

  • Chinese_Guy

    Hi Daniel,
    I don't think Africa had anything to do with Islam or muslims – until a few decades when the US funded Wahabbi Sunnis put in their men and money to work in Northern Africa. Ever since, Christians and Animists of Africa have been murdered like Americans kill Pigs, Cows and Chicken – only difference is Americans do these horrible murder to satisfy their stomach and the Wahabbi Sunnis do their murders to satisfy their lustful psychopath of the 600 A.D – PERIOD.
    Please don't associate Africa with the death cult – Africans have been long suffering – first at the hands of the imperialist and racist English & white-skinned pigs – then at the hands of the followers of the pagan moon god. They're probably the only people that have been able to survive without uniting and providing a huge defensive force.
    The chinese & japanese kicked the rears of the brits & other white-skinned pigs – and these two civilizations continue kicking the muslims in the balls as well.
    The only other civilization that has been able to fight these maniacs [the imperialist white-skinned european pigs of 1600's and the horrble sub-human zombies of MoHAM-MAD are the Buddhists, Jains & Hindus of India.
    Take care.

  • Elizabeth

    First of all it's Judaism and Islam with a capital “I”. Secondly, your comment is woefully ignorant. I suggest you do some reading and research on a subject before commenting on it.

  • Elizabeth

    I'm going to give you the same advice I gave Cromforever77. Do some reading and research on a subject before making any comments on it. The God of the Bible and Allah are nothing alike. I suggest Robert Spencer's Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam where the Bible and Quoran are compared.

  • Gamal

    What about the Muslim Europeans? We live in a world where missiles from countries such as Iran will be able to strike Europe even if there are no Muslims there. The real solution requires the elimination of radical Islam worldwide.

  • Gamal

    The Muslims claim Israel as Muslim land and the Europeans gang up with them against Israel so the Europeans deserve it when the Muslims claim that Europe is Muslim land.

  • pennswoods

    As a person with 100% European roots I do not in any way wish to see Western Civilization to become extinct. I guess I was a bit too cynical in my post even though what I said I believe to be fact. The problem is that a large majority of our self hating Western intellectual elite and left wing half wits in Europe and America and the rest of the West are the ones who want this to happen. They are allying themsleves with radical Islam in a vain and perverse hope that once Islam dominates Europe and controls Europe's destiny, somehow the world will at last have “peace” and stability, and the hated Christian West will be finished forver. You and I know it will be the opposite and could never be reversed. Paris, Rome, Berlin, London, and the other great cities of Europe will become mere shells of their former culture (they almost are already). Can you imagine a Europe in 2030 that is controlled by a pro Islamic world view when the major cities are majority Muslim as well as certain regions of many European countries? I can't. I can however imagine a Muslim dominated Europe that threatens the still non Muslim majority with violence and terrorism if the politicians don't see an Islamic political point of view and demand Islamic Law of Sharia either as a parallel legal system or atcually the law of the land. NATO will cease to exist and the USA will become Europe's number one enemy when Islam dominates that continent in the next fifty years. It's a terrible concept. Islam will accomplish it's ultimate dream. To conqueror Europe and they will do it not by the sword but by massive immigration and the womb.

  • danieln40

    To Chinese guy – unfortunately you like most keep bringing up the past. That is a tired and irrelevant arguement. Same old stupid comments about the past. I really don't care about what happened hundreds of years ago. There were many different faults on all sides. As a civilized society, most people have moved on. Christians no longer convert by the sword. Britian no longer conquers nations. I am talking about NOW – not the past. Africa is a cesspool of ignorance, corruption, and muslims. That is never going to change. It amazes me that Africa is concidered the cradle of man. It should be light years ahead in commerce, technology, and pretty much everything else. But it can't evolve past tribal and now Islamic rule. Again, my argument is WHAT HAS ISLAM GIVEN TO THE CIVILISED WORLD IN THE PAST 1,000 YEARS? If anyone can answer that question please tell me. I am talking about something major that has benefitted the human race – not stonings, beheadings, keeping women oppressed, killing of innocents – those who are not muslim, etc. etc. etc. There are no inventions from Islam. Tell me what? The supposed moderate muslims move to other countries and expect those countries to bow and scape to their religion. Never does a muslim country allow someone of another race to voice their values. Finally don't get me started on the Chinese. That culture is as corrupt, violent, and oppressive against its own people. Although I believe the U.S. is the best country in the world, it definitely is not perfect. But we don't oppress our own people for voicing oppinions or views contrary to others or the estabishment/government. I can call Obama a closet muslim pig bastard that he is and the secret police won't be knocking on my door any time soon. Try that in any Muslim, Communist, or other countries. Try writing the Chinese chairman – forgive me if I don't remember what the ruler of China is called. Try calling him names and insulting him. You will probably be arrested within an hour of hitting the enter button. So yes I will put Africa in the same catagory. Somalia, Ethiopia, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, and many more. I won't even start with Zimbabwe and the scum-bag Mugabe. Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa, feeding most of the continent until that n@gger kicked out all the white farmers and land owners. You tell me how well that is going. So again I don't care what happened in the 1600's. I am again asking the question what has Islam contributed to the civilized society in the past 1,000 years except misery and death.

  • Gary

    First one needs to understand the truth about Islam. That they follow a profit that took a
    9 year old girl as a wife. I believe that this by both the established as well as moral law is child molestation. Ahhh Islam a religion of child molesters and rapists!
    Death to Islam!

  • Elizabeth

    Daniel, I think you are confusing Christianity with Islam…Christians never converted with the sword! Remember, they were thrown to the lions, stoned, crucified, etc. and had to meet in secret in the catacombs beneath Rome. Our leader, Jesus, said: Behold, I stand at the door and knock. Christianity respects freewill which puts it into direct opposition to Islam.

  • Infidel4Ever

    I think any American with a functioning brain needs to care about the Islamization of Europe. Europe is where our culture came from, losing Europe to Islam puts the rest of the world in grave danger as it will give the “ummah” control of it's advanced technology, resources and the UK and France's nuclear weapons. Not to mention the loss of valuable trading partners and military and political allies. In their place will be a hostile to America series of Islamist states ready to bring the wrath of Allah down on us.

    And you're even further of the the deep end if you think the Muslims will be selling off Europe's treasures. They will be actively destroying all the treasures as “Kafir Filth”. The Europeans will suffer the consequences of their foolishness but I for one take no pleasure in that. And with Obama and his gang of multicultural imbeciles, the US is next.

  • americanguy

    Don't fool yourself. Just like the “moderate” blacks in America, these “moderate” Muslims we all hear so much about will vanish at a moment's notice. In America, after 50 years of total inclusion in politics, when it came down to it 96% of blacks voted for a fellow black. I'm not making a judgement call on that fact. I'm only telling you that the breakdown of the “moderate” Muslims will be exactly the same when the time comes. There will be a negligable 4% who resist and an ovewhelming 96% who support their follow Muslims in the takeover. You can repeat the nonsense about a large unseen “moderate” Muslim population if you want, and I agree that they frequently are vocal about how “they too” would resist a Muslim domination, but it simply is not true. When the time comes, you better know who you can count on to defend Europe and who is going to stab you in the back.

  • Elizabeth

    Americanguy…you speak the truth.

  • danieln40

    Apparently you forgot your history, the Christians sure did convert by the sword. Better check again. It was a dark time in history. It was a time called the Crusades. Lets not even start about the attrocities the Christians did to people like torture and many other things back in the day even to their own. What about the complete destruction and burning at the stakes of the Nights Templar. But we at least grew civilized and finally realized that kind of behavior was wrong. It took until a couple hundred years ago, maybe the last were the burning of witches in Salem. But after that, we kind of evolved and realized that torture, beheadings, rape, burning women with acid, and many other attrocities are just wrong in the name of religion. These so-called peace loving muslims are a scurge from the 7th century and need to be shoved back. I know, I know people keep telling me that there are good muslims out there, but they never step up and never speak out against Islam and the bad it spreads around the world, because deep down there are NO such thing as a moderate muslim. They are all told from birth that the only religion is Islam and all others are less than scum and all should be converted, enslaved, or killed. So I believe that we have to wage war against all these people to save our way of life.

  • LindaRivera

    There is a major difference. The illegal Mexicans don't follow Islam. Western civilization is based on the Bible and G-D's Laws:

    You shall not steal
    You shall not bear false witness

    The Islamics seek total destruction of Western civilization.

  • Elizabeth

    Why did the Crusades happen? At one time many of the countries that we consider to be Muslim were actually Christian. This is where Christianity began afterall! However, after a couple of hundred years after the start of Islam, the head of the Orthodox Church realized that if he didn't ask the Pope for help from his European brethren, all of the Eastern Orthodox Church nations would be Muslim. The purpose of the Crusades was to retake these lands back for Christianity. Was there violence? Clearly. No war has ever been fought without it, and as always, the Crusades should be looked at in the context of the time in history in which they occured. But to look at the Crusaders as the invaders is simply not to see the entire picture. The Muslims were the invaders first. You see Christianity evolving into something more peaceful, however, if you read the Book of Acts you will see that it always was peaceful! However, since all human beings are sinners, there have been times when Christ's message was corrupted. But on the whole…even during the darkest times…Christianity has done better than any of the other religions regarding helping one's neighhbor, widows, orphans and the poor, etc. I challenge anyone to name a religion that has founded more orphanages, hospitals, or schools than Christianity.

  • LindaRivera

    The G-D of the Jewish Bible (Old Testament) is radically different from the god of Islam! G-D NEVER changes. G-D's Laws NEVER change! No one gets a free pass to break G-D's Laws because of their religion! G-D commanded:

    You shall not steal
    You shall not bear false witness
    Bible, Exodus 20

    He who kidnaps a man, whether he sells him or he is found in his possession, shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21:16

    G-D's requirement for ALL humanity is KINDNESS:

    And what does the L-RD require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-D. Jewish Bible, Micah 6:8

  • robertlogos

    People are misguided. YES, islam is a problem, but the jews are the ones who promoted multiracialism in the west through their media. If you'll notice in the Swiss referendum, jewish groups came out of the woodwork to denounce the Swiss vote as “intolerant”. Steven Steinlight, former president of the American Jewish Congress, wrote an article admitting the jewish role in changing immigration policy in the U.S. to promote third world immigration since jews have always felt uncomfortable in homogeneous white gentile societies. Now, even though you would think jews feel threatened by islam, notice that they still defend the interests of muslim invaders over that of indigenous Europeans. Furthermore, this is much more than about simple culture. It is about the wide scale displacement of the indigenous peoples of an entire continent who have evolved there for the past 40,000 years and are part of the flora and fauna. Yet white people today dance around this issue and won't mention it. Why? Are whites too cowardly and soft? Are they too liberal to survive? Are they just stupid truebelievers in the multicult? Time will tell, but I do believe that it's curtains for western civilization and the white race which created it. What we're tragically witnessing for the first time in history, is an entire race of people so decadent and weak they are voluntarily walking off the stage of history. It's a disgrace, but in the end, everybody deserves what they get in this world if they're not willing to fight to survive.

  • robertlogos

    And of course Chinese are known for not being racist, right? Uhhuuh….. The white race has one major defect- it is nowhere near as racist as it should be.

  • robertlogos

    You're a delusional apologist for jewish supremacism. Read their talmud. Read the writings of the chabad lubavitcher Rabbi Menachem Schneerson. To the jews, gentiles aren't even human, and we can be murdered, exploited, stolen from with impunity. After all, they are the “chosen people”. And what did chosen people like Moses and Joshua do to people like the Midianites? I'm sorry to say, but the reason the west is sinking fast is because of the hold the jewish lobby and jewish propaganda has had on the minds of our gentile people who have been deracinated. Our culture and our people have been deconstructed and told we don't exist and not to resist multiculturalism. Now we are living the hellish result of jewish dominance and hatred of white people.

  • robertlogos

    Linda, you hypocritical jewess, you rave on and on about muslims, but how should white europeans feel about already having had their civilization and culture stolen from underneath them by you jews, another groups of aggressive middle eastern semites?

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  • danieln40

    Look I totally agree that Christianity has done more for the world than any other religion, but you cannot white-wash the fact in the past that the Church has commited horrendous crimes against other religions and people. Its just a fact. I am Roman-Catholic myself, so don't get the idea that I am bashing Christianity. I just understand that our religion has its dark side in history. WE AGAIN learned that some behaviors are just plain wrong. Unlike the sub-human islamic scum in this world that love to hurt others in the name of their cult. Christians are light years ahead of the throwback religion. You just cannot turn a blind eye to a lot of attrocities
    commited by the Church in the past. You either do not want to know or just playing the fool. Believe me, the world would be so much better off with Christianity and the other religions all with the exception of islam. As a Christian I have absolutely no intent on converting any other religions. Unlike islam which mandated convert or die.

  • danieln40

    I agree with BS77, what are the Europeans going to do about the muslim scurge? Everyday I read about muslim gang rapes against children and muslim attacking non-musims, then theres the European news agencies always biasing the news coverage against “youths” rioting throughout European cities. We all know its muslim scum youths. But your own news agencies won't even report it. Especially in France where I believe they burned thousands of cars and rioted many times in the past year or two. Then there is all the political correctness in the news – a couple in England was sued by some muslim scumbag who said they insulted her. Fortunately the couple had a decent judge and not some bent over lib judge afraid of islam. That is the problem with Europe, everyone is afraid of muslim violence, but until Euroweenies start pushing back just as hard – say burning a few mosques and killing some of the more radical muslims in Europe, its just going to get worse.

  • LindaRivera

    You state Europeans had their civilization and culture stolen from them by Jews. Is this a joke?

  • robertlogos

    Who promoted multiculturalism into white countries through their media? Who promoted feminism? Who is overly represented in the porn industry and admit that part of the reason is they want to stick it to christian gentile societies norms and values? Is it muslims who control western media and marginalize white people as hateful evil racists and anti-semites who have to atone by opening their borders to the turd world? Who recently, after the Swiss vote against minarets, came to the defense of the muslim hordes calling for ever more “tolerance” from Europeans? And by the way, why does israhell get to have its own ethnostate in the middle east that is expressly stated to be a nation for the jewish people, and yet in Europe and America miscegenation between whites and non-whites, non-white immigration, and the deconstruction of white peope and culture is promoted? Who is constantly in attack mode against western whites for being racist, sexist, patriarchal, anti-semitic ,oppressive, enslaving monsters who have lost the moral right to exist in their own organic homogeneous societies? No Linda, I'm not joking. I'd say you're the joke, but I know better that jews are no joke. You are a deadly pestilence constantly in attack mode against white people. You've used immigration into our countries to weaken us while promoting your own ethnocentrism. Now that your muslim pets are a bit of control and turning against you, you agitate naive white Euros to once again fight your enemies for you. You're a people who always play both sides against each other.

    Here's what a nice jewish boy, former president of the American Jewish Congress has to say in http://www.cis.org/articles/2001/back1301.htm

    “For perhaps another generation, an optimistic forecast, the Jewish community is thus in a position where it will be able to divide and conquer and enter into selective coalitions that support our agendas”

    So Linda, you're the monsters. You're the executioners of the west. And you don't belong among white people anymore than your semitic kinsmen the arab muslims do. You parasites don't belong among us any more than I belong in israhell or mexico or china. Of course, none of this will compute with you. The only thing that computes with you arrogant and aggressive destructive poisonous semites is force. Unless white people wake up, and soon, your presence among us will have proven terminal.

  • InfidelAlliance

    Muhammeds barbaric legacy is the 1,400 ISLAMIC WORLD WAR that rages on every continent except Antarctica, against everyone and everything “non-Islamic”. Let’s look at the facts:

    Let’s look at the facts:

    Islam against:
    - the Catholics in the Philippines (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    - the Christians in Indonesia (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    - Australian tourists in Bali (blown up…twice)
    - the Buddhists in Thailand (routine slaughter & beheadings)
    - the Hindus & Sikhs in India (hundreds of years battling the Islamic Jihad)
    - the Jews in Mumbai (slaughtered)
    - the Zoroastrians & Baha’i in Iran (virtually exterminated)
    - Islamic converts to Christianity in Afghanistan (death fatwa)
    - ancient Buddhist statues in Bamiyan, Afghanistan (blown up)
    - the Chaldean Christians in Iraq (routine persecution, slaughter & church burnings)
    - the Jews in Israel (routine attacks against civilians, threat of 2nd genocide)
    - the Jews in Yemen (nearly exterminated)
    - S. Korean & German tourists in Yemen (blown up)
    - the Coptic Christians in Egypt (routine persecution, slaughter & church attacks)
    - the Christians & animists in Sudan (genocide)
    - the Christians in Kenya (constant Jihadist threat from Obama’s homies)
    - the Christians in Nigeria (routine Jihadist attacks)
    - U.S. embassies in Tanzania & Kenya (blown up)
    - the athiests in Europe (the prime target)
    - the native French in Paris (torched car terrorism)
    - Jews in Paris (read the grisly story of Ilan Halimi, a Jewish shop clerk who was kidnapped, tortured and killed in 2006)
    - the native Swedes in Malmo (Islamic rape brigades)
    - the native Dutch in Amsterdam (routinely terrorized)
    - Dutch politicians (Geert Wilders & Ayyan Hirsi Ali – death fatwa)
    - Dutch cinematographers (Theo vanGogh savagely murdered by an Islamist in broad daylight)
    - Dutch cartoonists (Kurt Westergaard – death fatwa)
    - Dutch newspaper editors (Flemming Rose, Jyllands-Posten’s culture editor – death fatwa)
    - Train commuters in Spain (blown up)
    - Tube commuters in London (blown up)
    - Airports in Scotland (blown up)
    - Jews in Argentina (blown up)
    - Jews in Caracas (blown up)
    - Twin Tower office workers in N.Y. (blown up – twice)
    - Defense workers in the Pentagon (blown up – airliner jihad)
    - Army/Navy military recruiters in Little Rock (gunned down by an Islamist)
    - Soldiers in F.t Hood Texas (gunned down by an Islamist)
    - Pedestrians at the U. of N. Carolina (run down with an SUV by Islamist)
    - Journalists like Daniel Pearl (savagely decapitated by Islamists)
    - Nick Berg, Kim Sung-il, Piotr Stanczyk, Jack Hensley, Eugene Armstrong, Paul Johnson (savagely decapitated by Islamists)
    - Jewish centers in Seattle (slaughtered by Islamist Jihadist)
    - Jewish centers in Toronto (slaughtered by Islamist Jihadist)
    And on, and on, and on……….

    It is Islam against everyone, everything, everywhere that is not Islamic.

    It is Dar al-Islam against Dar al-Harb. Them against us, not us against them.

    THE ISLAMIC WORLD WAR – mandated by Allah & Muhammed in the Koran & Ahadith: Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle Muhammed said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

    Let’s face the facts and call it what it is. It is not a ‘War on Terror’ against a few ragtag misunderstanders of Islam. It is nothing less than: THE ISLAMIC WORLD WAR.

    THE ISLAMIC WORLD WAR – Muhammed’s legacy – it's real.

    ~ The Infidel Alliance

  • pennswoods

    I think any European with a functioning brain since the 1970's should have demanded their government's stop being Dhimmi's and welcoming their age old nemesis into their houses. The enormous cultural damage is done and is irreversable for Europe. Try to imagine in 50 years the Grand Mullah of Paris ensconced in his new mosque, the former Notre Dame Cathedral, his demanding the destruction of the beautiful Medieval sculpture and stained glass in his new mosque and calling for the Muslim mobs to attack and destoy these treasures in the other former great cathedrals and churches of France now mosques. Of course this future Grand Mullah of Paris will also be “offended' by the great art in the Louvre Museum and other museums in Paris and all over France because the Koran forbids all visual art that represents any living creature. Imagine how this future Grand Mullah of Paris will be outraged over the French Impressionist's painters, especially the beautiful nudes painted by Renoir. Anyone who knows the history of Islam can see all this coming and what is sad the self hating Europeans welcome it.

  • Elizabeth

    Playing the fool?! Maybe I have less of a guilt complex because I'm Protestant. We do have the Salem Witch Trials, but then again, you have the Spanish Inquisition. Or maybe I have a more balanced view on the topic because I've read Robert Spencer's Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (AND THE CRUSADES). Since you are interested in the subject(s), I highly encourage you to read it. We are all sinners in need of a savior. Whatever man gets involved in, he mucks up. I just don't believe in equating early Christianity converting by the sword with Islam converting by the sword. It's misinformation.

  • katjohns

    Muslims do not “immigrate” they infest. Appeasement is going to be the fall of Christian societies all over the world including America and Europe. They will not assimilate to western society. Even if they take on “western” clothing/style they are still aimed at destroying all that “western” society has built up. These statements may seem harsh, I agree, but we had better wake up before it is too late.

  • richardhode

    So this is David Horowitz' web site, Frontpagemag. I had heard that Horowitz had seen the right-wing light and gone reactionary. Maybe the acid finally got to him. But in any case, he made a doozie of a site and Horowitz should be proud of himself if he reads this thread. This place is a septic tank of bigotry, hatred, and ignorance, written by an assemblage of haters and bigots, some as stupid as sticks. One, Proxywar, complains about his failure to find “muslim restaurants.” Another, robertlogos, pours out the venom that fills his heart. Others again like katjohns, Gary, and InfidelAlliance are the usual pseudonymous commenters who wouldn't know a Moslem from an Eskimo and whose sheer ignorance and lack of education is their most prominent feature.

    Yeah, real nice. So Horowitz, is this the type that you hang out with these days? But I suppose it's necessary when you are saving Western Civilization from the marauding hordes, although it's a little worrisome to consider that the above mentioned ladies/gentlemen are our front-line “warriors.” These folk are on the ramparts? God heeelp us, any god, even the FSM and Lord Xenu. And these represent Western Civilization? Only the scrapings, I assure you. But let us take strength from the words of H.G. Wells in the War of the Worlds: “And in the end, humanity was saved by the littlest creatures of all.” So there's hope after all, even with the materiel we have been handed. Way to go, Horowitz.

  • noburka

    Not to worry my fellow non-muslim european/north and south americans and even most asian, chinese/japanese. Have you not read what vitamin D deficiency does to people/women in general, not to mention the babies they have. They are going to wipe out themselves with their stupid oppressive rules. We just have to make sure they can't get any vitamin D supplements.

  • InfidelAlliance

    Dear “richardhode”,

    You are the kind of intellectually lazy, pathetic apologist who would rather attack the messengers than face the facts and the truth in the message. I challenge you to find one thing in my post that is factually incorrect.

    As for my 'credentials', I own 2 Korans, and have read them. I have also read the Ahadith, the Sunnah, the Sira, studied fiqh and the brutal history of the expansion of Islam under the Saifullah.

    I have spent considerable time in 3 Islamic countries, work with “Moslems”, have “Moslem” friends, eat and drink with “Moslems”. I think I'm reasonably qualified to tell the difference between a “Moslem” and an Eskimo.

    Get your head out of the sand “richardhode”. Face the facts:

    The 'holy prophet' of Islam, Muhammed, was a sadistic sociopath. He was a murderer, a slaver, a human trafficker, a mutilator, an amputator, a decapitator, a kidnapper, a looting thief, a perfidious liar, a rapist, a sex trafficker, a sex slaver, a sexual deviant, a child rapist, a genocidist and a self proclaimed terrorist. (YES, I can cite Islamic references from the Koran and Ahadith for each and every one of these things).

    Muhammed set moral standard for Islam and all Muslims. It is a totalitarian, supremecist standard of violence and barbarity, intolerance and oppression justified under the banner of JIHAD holy war. Every pathology that afflicts Islam can be traced directly to the archetypal Islamic terrorist Muhammed.

    Concerning the message of Muhammed, just what exactly don't you understand about this???: Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle Muhammed said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'”

    As in the case of my “Moslem” friends, individual Musilm can be fine people, because they reject the violence of Muhammed. Islam itself, however, is undeniably a violent 'religion', founded by a violent 'holy prophet', inspired by a violent 'god', and its violent mandates were codified in it's 'holy' books, recorded in black & white for all the world to see.

    Even you can see it “richardhode”, if only you would open your eyes.

    Best regards,

    ~ The Infidel Alliance

  • Infidel4Ever

    Sadly, I believe you're correct. Europeans seem to be too far down the road to dhimmitude, only some dramatic and seismic shift in attitudes will prevent your scenario from playing out. Will there are signs some Europeans are waking up, it doesn't seem enough are aware to stem the tide. And now with this EU monster firmly entrenched, the multicultural Reich will continue it's evil work.

  • pennswoods

    I couldn't have said it better. Thank you.

  • dhivehiresistance

    Once my country was a peaceful place of Buddhist wisdom and tolerance. Islam has forcibly changed all that. Now bearded people dressed in Pakistani clothes are “hunting for Christian missionaries” and threatening those foreigners they suspect to be Christians (with the backing of the Islamic Government).


  • coq10

    As much as I agree with the author, I do not have much regard for this other cult called christianity either. Islam and Christianity together had caused death and destructions of millions of innocents of other faith in the past. Who can forget the complete genocide of the native Indians in America or death and destruction of aborigines and their culture in Australia? Goa inquistion, anyone? The fact is, Christianity has nothing to be proud of as a religion either. Sooner both these religions and their narrow dogmas are completely destroyed, the better.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/sfprophecy sfprophecy

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  • Christopher

    Anyway America is predicted to be the first western nation to have a non-white majority! And of course you won't find drugs or porn shops in America!? Which country has the largest porn industry? Drug use in America is more common than in Europe. Mass immigration is an American idea, Europe started much later with these destructive policies. What does America really have? Hollywood with its mass produced cliche movies is all you have where your naive, hypocritical character is for all the world to see. You spend Billions of dollars for Israel plus your wars which you seem to be losing. I admit some countries in Europe are in a bad seat, but at least here people are aware of the situation. I will celebrate the day when America collapses into a third world nation and your false, degenerate culture gives you exactly what you deserve!

  • http://islamsfatalflaw.blogspot.com/ Rudolf Blodstrupmoen

    "Simply put, ordinary people are sick of being told by their “betters” what to do
    and think: they want with all their hearts to defend themselves and their own.
    Their message is: By all means, come to Europe and become
    one of us. But don’t come here to turn our culture and our values upside down."

    Gosh! Since when is that "our message"?

    Many (if not most) of us do not want any non-Western immigrants at all! Not even those we already have. No matter who they are and how they behave.

    We don't want more cultural, ethnical and religional diversity – multiculturalism and instabily. We have more than enough of it already. We are estranged enough.

    My message is: "By all means, do not come to Europe. You'll never become one of us anyway. Don’t come or stay here and destroy our countries, local communities and lives and turn our culture and values upside down."

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