All the President’s Climategate Deniers – by Michelle Malkin


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“The science is settled,” we’ve been told for decades by zealous proponents of manmade global warming hysteria. Thanks to an earth-shaking hacking scandal across the pond, we now have mountains of documents from the world’s leading global warming advocacy center that show the science is about as settled as a southeast Asian tsunami. You won’t be surprised by the Obama administration’s response to Climategate.

With pursed lips and closed eyes and ears, the White House is clinging to the old eco-mantra: The science is settled.

Never mind all the devastating new information about data manipulation, intimidation and cult-like coverups to “hide the decline” in global temperatures over the last half-century, they say. The science is settled.

Never mind what The Atlantic’s Clive Crook, after wading through the climate science e-mail files of the U.K.’s Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, called the overpowering “stink of intellectual corruption” — combined with mafia-like suppression of dissent, suppression of evidence and methods, and “plain statistical incompetence” exposed by the document trove. The science is settled.

Never mind the expedient disappearance of mounds of raw weather station data that dissenting scientists were seeking through freedom of information requests from the Climatic Research Unit. The science is settled.

In March, President Obama made a grandiose show of putting “science” above “politics” when lifting the ban on government-funded human embryonic stem cell research. “Promoting science isn’t just about providing resources — it’s about protecting free and open inquiry,” he said during the signing ceremony. “It’s about letting scientists like those who are here today do their jobs, free from manipulation or coercion, and listening to what they tell us, even when it’s inconvenient — especially when it’s inconvenient. It is about ensuring that scientific data is never distorted or concealed to serve a political agenda — and that we make scientific decisions based on facts, not ideology.”

Yet, the pro-sound science president has surrounded himself with radical Climategate deniers who have spent their entire professional careers “settling” manmade global warming disaster science through fear mongering, intimidation and ridicule of opponents.

— Science czar John Holdren, who will testify on Capitol Hill this week at a hearing on Climategate, infamously hyped weather catastrophes and demographic disasters in the 1970s with his population control freak pals Paul and Anne Ehrlich. He made a public bet against free-market economist Julian Simon, predicting dire shortages of five natural resources as a result of feared overconsumption.
He lost on all counts. No matter.

Holdren’s failure didn’t stop him from writing forcefully about mass sterilization and forced abortion “solutions” to a fizzling, sizzling, overpopulated planet. And it didn’t stop him from earning a living making more dire predictions.

In 1986, Ehrlich credited Holdren with forecasting that “carbon-dioxide climate-induced famines could kill as many as a billion people before the year 2020.” He went on to Harvard and the White House. On the “Late Show with David Letterman” earlier this year, Holdren fretted that his son “might not see snow!”

Canada Free Press (CFP) columnist and Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball notes that Holdren turned up in the Climategate files belittling the work of astrophysicists Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in the Solar, Stellar and Planetary Sciences Division. Holdren put “Harvard” in sneer quotes when mocking a research paper Baliunas and Soon published in 2003 showing that “the 20th century is probably not the warmest nor a uniquely extreme climatic period of the last millennium.” First, deny. Next, deride.

— Energy Secretary Steven Chu picked derision as his weapon earlier this year when peddling the Obama administration’s greenhouse-gas emission policy. “The American public … just like your teenage kids, aren’t acting in a way that they should act,” The Wall Street Journal quoted Chu. He dismissed dissent by asserting that “there’s very little debate” about the impact of “green energy” policy on the economy.

There’s “very little debate,” of course, because dissenters get crushed.

— The Obama team’s chief eco-dissent crusher is climate czar Carol Browner. She oversaw the destruction of Environmental Protection Agency computer files in brazen violation of a federal judge’s order during the Clinton years requiring the agency to preserve its records.

Over the past year, the EPA has stifled the dissent of Alan Carlin, a senior research analyst at the agency who questioned the administration’s reliance on outdated research on the health effects of greenhouse gases. Recently, they sought to yank a YouTube video created by EPA lawyers Allan Zabel and Laurie Williams that is critical of cap-and-trade. Browner reportedly threatened auto execs in July by telling them to “put nothing in writing … ever” about their negotiations with her.

And she is now leading the “science is settled” stonewalling in the wake of Climategate. “I’m sticking with the 2,500 scientists,” she said. “These people have been studying this issue for a very long time and agree this problem is real.” Book-cookers are good at making it seem so.

In any case, last year, more than 31,000 scientists — including 9,021 Ph.D.s — signed a petition sponsored by the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine rejecting claims of human-caused global warming.

But hey, who’s counting? The science is settled.

  • Name

    Question now is:

    Death Penalty or Life In Prison for these treasonous fraudsters???

  • Name

    Question now is:

    Death Penalty or Life In Prison for these treasonous fraudsters???

  • ApolloSpeaks

    BUCHANAN AND CLIFT

    When Pat Buchanan confronted Eleanor Clift on last week's McLaughlin Group with the fact that there was no evidence for man made global warming, Clift hysterically shot back: “There's no evidence for God's existence either. ” Indicating that Obama and the Left will be keeping the faith on climate change and continue to religiously believe that the earth is in peril whatever be the political consequences. Old fictions and fairy tales die hard..

  • Robert Bernier

    Wow! Read this one. It is really good. And this gentleman says it just like it is.

    This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii
    for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president. Consult : http://xrl.us/bgeewc

  • http://twitter.com/ARKovnat Alex Kovnat

    Sooner or later we are going to have to come to grips with the hatred of humanity that motivates those who have such an emotional and ego need for the idea of global warming.

  • jackbelias

    The goal here is to shift wealth from the middleclass to the super rich and create a two class economy. What they want is an absolutist caste system that will be impossible to circumvent.

    Most leftists come from wealthy metropolitan families. The spoiled wealthy leftists I was surrounded by in college chanted this warming mantra and overpopulation crap over and over while celebrating the fact that the evil working class who had turned on the socialist ideal would finaly stay in their places. This after “legislating for the environment”. How does one come up with business start up costs AND enough for carbon credits? Of course no working class idealist could hope to pull it off without a crack cocain business on the side.

    When the Kenyan passes this I suggest that every working class idealist form under the table businesses to generate cash. The best under the table businesses would create and distribute the products that those same spoiled wealthy democratic youth get high with. Nothing would disrespect them more than reducing their sons to broken adicts and thier daughters to desperate whores. Imagine their rage when working class Joe can suddenly afford carbon credits while 75% of their elite privilaged eco economy kids are in and out of rehab and infected with nasty diseases thanks to a junkie lifestyle. Nothing would be more right.

    The christian right would never come up with this common sense answere to an eco economy, they are just too frail to really fight a nasty dirty political war. War is cruel, a reality where reason and humanity must be chucked right out the window by those wishing to win it. Make no mistake about it folks this is a war, if you want to survive in it you had better start fighting it like one. Exposing data and coverups is a waste of time, dogmas cannot be broken with science or evidence.

  • skeeter1107

    Ultimately what it really shows is that it's not about climate change. It's just another contrived avenue for the control of people.

  • WTF_Idiots

    1. The emails do not remotely prove any sort of cover-up, and the critiques of these papers were made and debated by scientists PUBLICLY, but perhaps less bluntly than they were stated in the emails.

    2. Thousands of emails from over 13 years were stolen, and edited, and have been taken out of context for those with a political agenda. The body of scientific work supporting the theory of human-caused climate change—which spans hundreds of thousands of scientific papers written by tens of thousands of scientists in dozens of different scientific disciplines—is too vast to be budged by the flaws in the works of the three or four scientists being subject to the fiercest attacks. I'm sticking with the 2,500 scientists who have been studying this issue for a very long time and agree this problem is real.

    3. If all you monkey conspiracy theorists' wildest claims were true, wouldn't nearly 15 years of emails ACTUALLY SHOW some of conspiracy?? There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

    Join reality, you monkeys. It's a lot more pleasant over here.

  • USMCSniper

    Will a green energy industry be an engine of economic growth? Many want us to think so, including our new President. Apparently a booming green economy with millions of new jobs is just around the corner. All we need is the right mix of government “incentives.”

    These include a huge (de facto) tax on carbon emissions imposed through a cap-and-trade regulatory scheme, as well as huge government subsidies for “renewable,” carbon-free sources. The hope is that these government sticks and carrots will turn today’s pitiful “green energy” industry, which produces an insignificant fraction of American energy, into a source of abundant, affordable energy that can replace today’s fossil-fuel-dominated industry.

    This view is a fantasy–one that could devastate America’s economy. The reality is that “green energy” is at best a sophisticated con game. Here is its leader.

    Al Gore is chairman and founder of a private equity firm called Generation Investment Management (GIM). According to Gore, the London-based firm invests money from institutions and wealthy investors in companies that are going green. “Generation Investment Management, purchases — but isn’t a provider of — carbon dioxide offsets,” said spokesman Richard Campbell in a March 7 report by CNSNews.

    GIM appears to have considerable influence over the major carbon-credit trading firms that currently exist: the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) in the U.S. and the Carbon Neutral Company (CNC) in Great Britain. CCX is the only firm in the U.S. that claims to trade carbon credits.

    CCX owes its existence in part to the Joyce Foundation, the Chicago-based liberal foundation that provided $347,000 in grant support in 2000 for a preliminary study to test the viability of a market in carbon credits. On the CCX board of directors is the ubiquitous Maurice Strong, a Canadian industrialist and diplomat who, since the 1970s, has helped create an international policy agenda for the environmentalist movement. Strong has described himself as “a socialist in ideology, a capitalist in methodology.” His former job titles include “senior advisor” to UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, “senior advisor” to World Bank President James Wolfensohn and board member of the United Nations Foundation, a creation of Ted Turner. The 78-year-old Strong is very close to Gore.

    CCX has about 80 members that are self-confessed emitters of greenhouse gases. They have voluntarily committed themselves to reduce their emissions by the year 2010 to a level 6% below their emissions in 2000. CCX members include Ford Motor Company, Amtrak, DuPont, Dow Corning, American Electric Power, International Paper, Motorola, Waste Management and a smattering of other companies, along with the states of Illinois and New Mexico, seven cities and a number of universities. Presumably the members “purchase” carbon offsets on the CCX trading exchange. This means they make contributions to or investments in groups or firms that provide forms of “alternative,” “renewable” and “clean” energy.

    CCX also has “participant members” that develop the carbon-offset projects. They have names like Carbon Farmers and Eco-Nomics Incorporated. Still, other participant member groups facilitate, finance and market carbon-offset projects to “sequester, destroy or displace” greenhouse gases. CCX aspires to be the New York Stock Exchange of carbon-emissions trading.

    Along with Gore, the co-founder of GIM is Treasury Secretary and former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson. Last September, Goldman Sachs bought 10% of CCX shares for $23 million. CCX owns half the ECX, so Goldman Sachs has a stake there as well.

    GIM’s “founding partners” are studded with officials from Goldman Sachs. They include David Blood, former CEO of Goldman Sachs Asset Management (GSAM); Mark Ferguson, former co-head of GSAM pan-European research; and Peter Harris, who headed GSAM international operations. Another founding partner is Peter Knight, who is the designated president of GIM. He was Sen. Al Gore’s chief of staff from 1977-1989 and the campaign manager of the 1996 Clinton-Gore re-election campaign.

    Like CCX, the ECX has about 80 member companies, including Barclays, BP, Calyon, Endesa, Fortis, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Shell, and ECX has contracted with the European Union to further develop a futures market in carbon trading. What’s in it for the companies? They will benefit either by investing in carbon credits or by receiving subsidies for doing so.

    Any ideas on why Gore had to make London the home base for his carbon credit business? Why not here in the good ole U.S. of A. Albert? And look who is the co-founder of Gore’s Generation Investment Management, why none other than the former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, you know the guy that wanted to give away billions of taxpayer money with no accountability in the first round of the “bailouts?”

  • Carterthewriter

    I believe WTF was addressing monkeys, not humans. Reaoning with him may be futile, Sniper.

  • hoolad

    Islam is pure evil to the core. islam is not a religion but a political movement to achieve global dominance. Show me a churhc or a hindu temple or a jewish temple in saudia arabia. Go to Egypt and see how they deal with the Coptic Christains, the egyptians treat them like animals, burn down their chruches at every riot and they dont allow new chruches to be build, infact you have to ask permission from the president of egypt to build a church. Remind you, Egypt was a Coptic Christain Country before Islam took over with the sword and now coptic christains are a minority in their own country. I Guess the Swiss have realized the danger soon…..

    In Turkey, they have taken Hagia Sofia Church and turned it to a Mosque, then into a museum. Still they will not give back Hagia Sofia to be a church again. Muslims are hypocrates. Turkey has a mission to wipe off all churches and convert them into secular museums and thus will elimanate the christains populations.

    Christains are not allowed to be christains in middle-east, period. Now muslims shout. Give me a church, hindu temple, jewish temple, buddist temple or any other temple in the heart of Mecca or Medina and then I will voice my dis-taste for the swiss vote.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
    http://www.thethirdjihad.com

  • hoolad

    Islam is pure evil to the core. islam is not a religion but a political movement to achieve global dominance. Show me a churhc or a hindu temple or a jewish temple in saudia arabia. Go to Egypt and see how they deal with the Coptic Christains, the egyptians treat them like animals, burn down their chruches at every riot and they dont allow new chruches to be build, infact you have to ask permission from the president of egypt to build a church. Remind you, Egypt was a Coptic Christain Country before Islam took over with the sword and now coptic christains are a minority in their own country. I Guess the Swiss have realized the danger soon…..

    In Turkey, they have taken Hagia Sofia Church and turned it to a Mosque, then into a museum. Still they will not give back Hagia Sofia to be a church again. Muslims are hypocrates. Turkey has a mission to wipe off all churches and convert them into secular museums and thus will elimanate the christains populations.

    Christains are not allowed to be christains in middle-east, period. Now muslims shout. Give me a church, hindu temple, jewish temple, buddist temple or any other temple in the heart of Mecca or Medina and then I will voice my dis-taste for the swiss vote.

    http://www.faithfreedom.org
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com
    http://www.thethirdjihad.com

  • coyote3

    No it feels pretty good here, away from the subhumans, especially now that there still no proof of global warming, at least, man made global warming, and that the whole effort has collapsed.

  • thinker1

    Algor, WH with the rest of imbeciles do not listen to facts – a commie never does.

  • http://www.tarandfeathers.shugartmedia.com/ Tar_and_Feathers

    Solid evidence that the global warming movement is not a scientific consortium, but rather a religious cult. We can only hope that the Hale-Bopp comet returns and whisks these fanatics into cosmic oblivion.

  • Ivan

    “The emails do not remotely prove any sort of cover-up”

    Maybe, maybe not……but the FORTRAN code certainly does, idiot. And the code doesn't lie. Neither do the programmers' notes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Huettner/1016336310 John Huettner

    These people better know they will be held to account for their fraud.

    There's a high price to pay for being invited to the right parties in D.C., London and Copenhagen.

    We've had it with their lies, period.

  • BS77

    It wasn't too long ago when the misanthropes and Luddites said all the pollution was going to cause another Ice Age….drastic cooling was coming! Then it was global warming! Now it's “climate change”, which means nothing. Funny, 19K years ago there was ice two miles thick over New York, Denver, Chicago….and it all melted away…there wasn't one SUV, one coal fired plant…nothing. Also, in 1991 Mount Pinotubo erupted in the Phillipines….one of the most massive outpourings of gas, ash, powdered rock and smoke….some scientists said Mt Pinotubo released more pollution in one month than all the planes, cars, trains, ships and factories for the past fifty years. It was very cold in North Dakota last night….when's the warming going to happen?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Huettner/1016336310 John Huettner

    Saul Alinsky would be proud of you. How about a little rebuttal (or should I say, rebutthole):

    1. No proof of a cover up? Nope, not even the series of emails exhorting colleagues like Michael Mann to destroy all correspondence dealing with the now massively discredited 2077 IPCC report. Nor even the ones detailing how these alchemists were conspiring to thwart FOIA requests (which is a crime in Britain, by the way). Even those emails discussing destroying data rather than turning it over don't prove any cover up in your mind, do they?

    Really, only a fool would say such a thing after actually reading this stuff. Get a life, the cover has been blown off this fraud and no amount of denial by nabobs like you is going to put the lid back on.

    2. Emails were stolen? Then why did a BBC “environmenatl” reporter admit to having been sent them over a month ago (long before Climategate broke)? Seems someone at the Hadley CRU must have leaked them to the BBC, and the leaker finally released them on the Internet when it became apparent that the fellow travelers in the press were ignoring the story.

    Emails were “edited”? Where's your source for that bold-faced lie? There isn't, because even the “scientists” involved haven't claimed any “editing” of an email took place. Just a figment of your green imagination. But, hey, why tell the truth when a lie will serve just as well.

    3. Sorry, pal, the only wacky conspiracy theorists are the ones like you, still trying to foist the AGW fraud on the rest of us; not the millions of us who refuse to buy this transnational socialist garbage. Why is it lefty “causes” invariably carry with them the surrender of national sovereignty to, coupled with crippling taxes levied by, unelected statist slimeballs?

    And why is it that solipsistic losers like you (who always seem to know better than the rest of us — at least in your own little circle jerk of friends) feel it's OK to label people who disagree with you as “monkeys”? Is that supposed to mean that we're dumb like — you know — black folks? If I called a liberal a “monkey,” I'd be sure to be called a “racist” in response. What's your excuse for the use of that particular term? Oh, I forgot, you're a lefty, so you don't need to explain your use of language.

    Are you capable of formulating a thought or expressing an opinion that won't fit on a bumper sticker?

  • bubba4

    Imagine, it was all a hoax just like FPM has been saying all along. There weren't tens of thousands of scientists around the world working on research related to climate change, it was just a couple of wonks at the UN…they made it all up..

    Groan…

  • CowboyUp

    I don't have to imagine, it is a hoax.

  • billthepill

    NASA won't release climate data under FIO, Al Gore cancels in Copehagen, Australia had a few PMs resign, and the whole thing starts to unravel. Perhaps only Obama will show up in Copenhagen – Nope, the U.N. will be there to accept his signature. The CRU release was probably planned at the surprise meeting in Singapore. What is now called a comunity organizer used to be called agitator. I just can't remember why.

  • davarino

    Bubba, come on, are you going to be that transparent. My god you are making it to easy to identify you. You have to be a paid plant of the left or you are just really thick. The couple of wonks you speak of are the ones that held all of the data. Everyone else was forming their opinions from that. Again, if the data is wrong then wishing and hoping aint goin to change it.

    Oh and I just cant wait till its found out that NASA “wonks” were fudging data also. Heheheh this will be fun to watch them try to squirm out of this one.

  • KansasGirl

    These commies aren't going to let these renegade scientists get in the way of their global governance.

  • jo29tan

    This should be the biggest news story of the decade! but silence from ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CBS …

    Imagine during the cold war … when these same propaganda machines would have us all dead of nuclear fallout … if the politboro suddenly leaked … that they'd made it all up … that they didnt really have an nukes… what would the headlines have been for the next 6 months !?

    These folks and their agenda, if unchecked, will ultimately lead to infanticide!

  • Voltimand

    Refusal to turn primary data over to the scrutiny of other scientists is the kicker here, whatever else turns up. The crash of the man-made global warming theory is due to the fact that its credibility depended entirely on the declared findings of the scientists handling this data. But that credibility was destroyed when a fundamental professional science protocol was breached: always make public the fundamental data in forms that can be tested by other scientists. Not only was this not done, but the hacked emails demonstrate that hiding the data was deliberate. Now, with the announced destruction of this data, there is literally nothing of significance any more to talk about. Nothing at all. Game, set, match: beginning, middle, and end of story. These people no longer have professional credibility, and their global-warming theories consequently no longer have any scientific credibility either. All the rest is panic politics.

  • ryanXXX

    The scientists involved should be procecuted for fraud. The entire Climate Pannel of the UN should be investigated and where appropriate procecuted for fraud. The sceintists involved should be de certified, and their degrees revoked. The universities involved should be forced to repay government grants used to commit the fraud. All Gore should be investigated and procecuted for fraud, General Electric and its subsidiaries should be investegated for fraud. Al Gore should be imprisoned and financially ruined for this.

    It is very likely the largest case of fraud in the history of the world, considering the amount of money involved in all the imbecilic policies had been implemented.

  • bubba4

    You're right…let's do nothing. After all, you'll be dead before the shit hits the fan…so it kind of resolves itself.

  • bubba4

    What raw data do you want? From what organization, from what scientists, showing what?

    You can get whatever data you want but most of you prefer to talk about the implications of the data FPM and others tell you is there.

    It's not like they go read some master thermometer and then decide to lie to you about what it says. There is no master thermometer….and the scientists are bringing their data together to sell you a bill of goods. Governments around the world are trying to figure out how to react to environmental problems so agencies are set up to bring data together and report to these government entities. So what data are you looking for? You wouldn't believe it anyway.

  • bubba4

    “You have to be a paid plant of the left or you are just really thick.”

    Yes Davarino, you got me…”the left” pays me millions of dollars to come this little backwater rag and write posts. FPM is that important to the world….sigh…you're a real moron ain't ya?

    “The couple of wonks you speak of are the ones that held all of the data. Everyone else was forming their opinions from that.”

    What do you mean they held ALL of the data? All of the data for what? Do you know how many internatinal information sharing entities exist? There are lots of them for lots of different issues. You have to separate the complex reality from the narrative that an e-mail somewhere says that the work of thousands of people is a conspiracy theory created by Gore…or some silly variation.

  • davarino

    Oh I wasnt insinuating that you were being paid millions. I assumed you would work for next to nothing, especially when talking to us morons.

    You guys must really love Gore. How is it that he has become such a darling of the media and you greenies. How can he preach the kind of conservation that is expected of all us mere mortals and he is allowed to burn a tanker full of oil every day? Ya its funny how he wont debate anyone who has a different opinion.

    Once a commie rock star gains popularity he can do pretty much anything he wants and the media looks the other way, but let anyone else do the same thing and its on the nightly news for months. I bet Tiger Woods didnt pay his dues to the leftist protection fund.

  • bubba4

    Oh I wasnt insinuating that you were being paid millions. I assumed you would work for next to nothing, especially when talking to us morons.

    Well, you are a moron. But no, I do my internet posting pro bono.

    “You guys must really love Gore.”

    Who's “you guys”?

    “How is it that he has become such a darling of the media and you greenies.”

    Gore is a media darling? LOL.

    “How can he preach the kind of conservation that is expected of all us mere mortals and he is allowed to burn a tanker full of oil every day?”

    What kind of conservation does he preach? You seem offended by what he has asked you to do…what has he asked you to do? Nothing. It's OK though…FPM tells it and you think it…and I'm the paid plant…LOL. Maybe you're an FPM editor trying to earn a little extra cash.

    “Ya its funny how he wont debate anyone who has a different opinion.”

    Debate anyone on what? What are you talking about?

    “Once a commie rock star gains popularity he can do pretty much anything he wants and the media looks the other way, but let anyone else do the same thing and its on the nightly news for months. I bet Tiger Woods didnt pay his dues to the leftist protection fund.”

    Oh..OK..you're a paranoid cultic nut. I was having trouble placing you, but OK, you're not a paid plant, you're just crazy. Leftists are all around you and coming to pollute your precious bodily fluids.

  • davarino

    Your right, that was unfair to accuse you of working for the other side, it really doesnt matter whether you are or not.

    Us aholes and morons love it when you quote us because it makes us feel important. Thanks. Plus we forget what we wrote just minutes ago : )

    Anywho, I'm not that afraid of leftists polluting my bodily fluids, its my country I'm afraid of being polluted. Its the hearts and minds of school children that the left seems hell bent on indoctrinating, because they arent able to convince adults.

    Oh well, it will all be over soon Bubba and we wont be able to have these fun conversations about AGW anymore, but hey there is still health care, taxes, the war, education, the economy….etc.

  • USMCSniper

    What do you think we should do? Bad science and sleazy politics is what climate change is based on.

  • USMCSniper

    I never debate with non-colleagues like you bubba4, so instructions is what you get

    In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide “ice caps” near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

    Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

    “The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars,” he said.

    Solar Cycles

    Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

    Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

    “Man-made greenhouse warming has made at worst a very minimal contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it is in the noise and cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance,” Abdussamatov said.

    By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see both on Earth and Mars.

    “The solar irradiance began to drop in the 1990s, and a minimum will be reached by approximately 2040,” Abdussamatov said. “It will cause a steep cooling of the climate on Earth in 15 to 20 years which has already started and world wide temperatures data is in agreement.”

  • bubba4

    I think you should sit back, do nothing and die.

  • bubba4

    Then relax…there is nothing wrong and there is no reason to keep posting. It's just the sun…and you have a phd in physics …

  • bubba4

    “you” and “us”? What a little cultic toady.

  • rufusrastasjohnsonbrown

    In my opinion all of these advisors/czars would gladly put their signatures to initiate 'Aktion T4' if they thought it could be done in the name of Gaia.In fact Holdren is such a warped individual that you can be sure it is on his bucket list.

  • therealend

    Combine the data skewing, data hiding, data suppressing, data losing, peer review manipulating, computer models that don't fit reality fretting, non-believer deriding and you get what has come to be known as Climatology. What's even better is, the people doing this have the gaul to call themselves scientists. Even better than that are the believers who think everyone should accept all this data skewing, data hiding… without question. And it gets even better; the politicians want to implement a plan that doesn't stop emissions but just makes it harder for the less wealthy to afford energy and if you can afford it then you can emit all you want. Emit like a billionaire and think nothing of it. Emit like Al Gore whose carbon footprint is bigger than Puerto Rico and the world will still cool off. Run a coal powered TV set and a deisel alarm clock if you have the bucks and somehow this will put us on the path to a healthier environment. Science is pretty amazing isn't it?

  • CowboyUp

    All of it, from anywhere that receives taxpayer money. I was wise to the global warming scam long before FPM existed. It has only become more obvious in the three decades since I first made the scam. I wasn't dumb enough to fall for the EPA hiding their data in the 90's.

    The EPA and 'scientists' would show their data off if it said what they say it does, yet it's a better kept secret than our national security and military technology secrets. You want to know something I blame Bush and Cheney for? Not exposing that hoax. Already it is by far the biggest scam in word history.

    Governments are doing what governments do (seeking to increase their power, control, and patronage), and people dependent on government funding are doing what they do (seek more prestige for themselves and funding for their research), with a few commies in there doing what they do (hamstring the USA while they subvert Her).

    The data from the stations set up next to air conditioners, jet tarmacs, and other absurd places with abnormally high temperatures can certainly be believed, but not used to draw honest conclusions on weather, much less climate.

  • davarino

    Ya, its us against the world Bubba. We have to console ourselves some how. You will allow us to at least offer an opposing opinion on this backwater rag wont you?

    Um earlier I made a joke about melting ice cores. If you notice I added the “snicker”, cause I was joking. I did look at your link to NOAA and there is plenty of data.

    Now the thing is to interpret the data and place it correctly with correct temperatures in the past. I have seen opposing view points on how to correlate the ice core data with true atmospheric C02. Some say the true atmospheric C02 in the past is higher than what has been offered by global warming proponents thus reducing the amount supposedly added my man.

  • bubba4

    “Ya, its us against the world Bubba. We have to console ourselves some how. You will allow us to at least offer an opposing opinion on this backwater rag wont you?”

    LOL. “we” “us”…this is where it starts. Opposing opinion to what? If you trace back the posts, my complaint was clear…there is a lot of talk about what these e-mails reveal, but so far what's been revealed is very little.

    You took it upon yourself to act as if there is no way anyone could feel this way unless they were part of the Global Warming Hoax or part of the paid legion of “leftists” that are all around you. You haven't really put forth an opinion other than to be a snarky, assuming prick

    “Um earlier I made a joke about melting ice cores. If you notice I added the “snicker”, cause I was joking. I did look at your link to NOAA and there is plenty of data.”

    You added “snicker” because you're a cynical cultist and the idea that tons of data being made available by thousands of scientists around the world flys in the face of this narrative that “Global Warming” is the work of a couple of people and the e-mails revealed the “scam”….lol

    “Now the thing is to interpret the data and place it correctly with correct temperatures in the past.”

    I've heard there is a “trick” where you factor in tree ring data for determining pre-1960 temperatures…LOL

    “I have seen opposing view points on how to correlate the ice core data with true atmospheric C02. Some say the true atmospheric C02 in the past is higher than what has been offered by global warming proponents thus reducing the amount supposedly added my man.”

    Well, “ice cores” was the just the first arbitrary “hard working – low pay” scientists that popped into my mind when replying. Just like my other posts, I am not arguing that “The Day After Tomorrow” is what is going to happen to the earth in a few years.

  • davarino

    Woe, Bubba, calm down. I may have been a bit snarky but I dont believe I have called you any names. You have been calling me a moron, ahole, now I'm a prick. I can take the name calling, thats not a problem, but you really are angry. I guess a lot of the people here have been giving you a lot of crap and I have seen a lot of name calling which is unfortunate.

    I am just very concerned about the emails and what they reveal. If you were to retrieve emails that your emplyees had sent, and they revealed just the hint of impropriety in the developement of your software would you not do a thorough investigation? Would you not go into your software and see if some part of the code was compromised? Would you not talk to your employees and try to find out what was going on? If there was talk of erasing test data or not allowing others to question the results, would you not be very suspicious?

    Ok, I dont pretend to speak for everyone here because we are not a cult, but I am very anxious and suspicious about what the emails reveal. If the emails did not reveal anything significant then why have the researchers been asked to step down. I am getting worked up and trying to raise my voice as loud as possible because other wise if no one did then it would get swept under the rug and be forgotten.

    Oh and by the way you can continue to quote me, its not copyrighted : )

  • bubba4

    If you really cared about what the e-mails “revealed” you can go look at them. If FPM wanted to reproduce any or all of them they could…well would you look at that…we have come full circle….this was the point of my original post.

    If you take thousands of e-mails and correspondence…or even just something a little complex like a Congressional Bill, it is all too easy for politically motivated writers to just tell you what it means. Most of you will never go look up the actual information. That's counted on.