Getting the Finger from a Moderate Muslim – by Robert Spencer

Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch and author of the New York Times bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book, Arab Winter Comes to America: The Truth About the War We're In, is now available.


Ali-Eteraz

Ali Eteraz is a liberal Muslim writer who, like Barack Obama, has not waited until he was old to write his memoirs: his book Children of Dust, according to the book website, is a “coming-of-age story” in which Eteraz “captures not merely pain, but also the love, laughter, and pathos of Muslim life.” It is not surprising that such a writer would grapple with issues related to Islamic jihad violence. What is surprising is how he has done so, and what the implications of his stances are for those who are betting everything on peaceful Muslims combating Islamic jihadists within Muslim communities.

Eteraz once stated feebly that peaceful Muslims should remain silent in the face of jihadist violence and supremacism, claiming that Martin Luther King, Jr., stayed silent in the face of racist oppression. That was preposterous enough, but now Eteraz has made an even more preposterous move, going from supine passivity to defiance:

During the salat, or prayer, Muslims raise their index finger to bear witness to the oneness of God. In America today, with all the calls for Muslims to condemn every little act of violence committed in the name of their religion, Muslims should start raising up the other finger. The middle one.

There is no need for one Muslim to condemn the crimes of another. Collective responsibility cannot, and should not, be accepted. Where one accepts collective responsibility one opens the door to collective punishment. Are Muslims individuals? Or are they one singular marionette that pirouettes each time its string is pulled?

The core assumption Eteraz makes here is that it is an exercise in collective responsibility that diminishes Muslims’ individuality if they are asked to condemn Islamic terrorist attacks. After all, Islam is not a monolith, as we are reminded endlessly. So if one Muslim believes that Islam teaches warfare against unbelievers and acts upon that belief, what does that have to do with Ali Eteraz, who presumably eschews such beliefs?

It’s a fair question. To what extent does membership in a group make one responsible for all the other members of that group? If one Christian does some evil deed and ascribes it to Christianity, are all Christians everywhere responsible for that?

Well, to a certain extent, yes. They wouldn’t rightly share any of the blame for it, but it would be incumbent upon them to show to those who might be concerned about a recurrence of such evil deeds that the way in which the evildoer used Christianity was actually wrong, and condemnable, and that they were working against such a recurrence by teaching against such false beliefs.

The point, in other words, is not collective responsibility at all. To blame all Muslims for the actions of jihadists would be asinine. But to take note of how those jihadists use Islam — its texts and core teachings — to justify violence and supremacism and warfare against unbelievers — and to ask peaceful Muslims what they’re doing to combat such teachings within the Muslim community is not asinine at all.

And it is not blaming anyone for anything he didn’t do. It is simply to ask someone like Eteraz this: “The jihadis say that they’re following the authentic path of Islam. If they’re correct, the implications of this would be many and ominous, for it would suggest that all Muslims, if they decided to follow the authentic path of Islam, would become jihadis — working either by violent or peaceful means to impose Sharia upon non-Muslims. You say you’re living out an authentic expression of Islam, and reject all that. Good. What case are you making against the jihadist understanding of Islam within the Muslim community? How are you combating it?”

I don’t think these are unreasonable questions. For if Muslims who profess to reject the jihadist understanding of Islam don’t fight against it, who will? And if they profess to reject the jihadist understanding of Islam but don’t do anything to stop its spread, of what ultimate value is their rejection of it? They may not be responsible for it, but since they profess Islam, shouldn’t they feel any responsibility to combat the jihadist claim to represent authentic Islam?

Apparently not. In years of calling for peaceful Muslims to present a viable alternative to the jihadist understanding of Islam, one that will convince Muslims not to take the jihadist path, we have seen numerous vague assertions that the jihadis are violating Islamic teaching; some vague condemnations of “terrorism” and attacks on “innocent civilians” that don’t define either term or rule out the jihadist understanding of Islam; some transparently flimsy constructions based on selective Qur’an quoting that will convince ignorant non-Muslims but not a single Muslim; and some “reformist” interpretations of Islam that roll out with much fanfare in the mainstream media but end up being only condemnations of attacks that kill other Muslims or attacks that don’t have state authority behind them (which latter point ignores the fact that in Islamic theology defensive jihad is incumbent upon every Muslim, state authority notwithstanding, and all contemporary jihads are presented as defensive).

And now we get the finger.

All right. I wouldn’t expect anything else from Ali Eteraz, but I do hope that some people who have been counting upon peaceful Muslims to work against the jihadists within Muslim communities will take careful note.

  • guest 1

    ony_mowbray said
    robert spencer, you are a joke. Please tell us what qualifications you have that are not made up.
    ……………………………………….
    Have u ever heard a scholar who is known for his honesty and knowlege allow the killing of non muslims, and illspeak of Mary and jesus.As i read that in ordfer for a judge to give his verdicts, he should hear witnesses and listen to the two parties.Who is the scholar in islam.
    the qualities which a person must attain if he wants to set himself up to issue decision religious opinions
    . He should have a good intention, for if he does not have a good intention, he will not be blessed and there will be no blessings in his words.

    2. He should be knowledgeable, forbearing, dignified and calm.

    3. He should have a strong grasp of knowledge.

    4. He should have a strong personality and not be affected by people’s criticism.

    5. He should know what people are like.
    As for understanding the quran and its interpretation
    There is no difference of opinion among the scholars with regard to the interpretation of the entire Qur'aan. Rather they differed concerning the interpretation of some of its verses. There is no doubt that with regard to most of the verses, there is no difference of opinion as to their interpretation. Rather the commentators, both early and later, and scholars are agreed on its interpretation. This is something that is clear to everyone who reads the Qur'aan and books of commentary. The majority of Muslims still read the Qur'aan and listen to its verses, and most of them have no problem understanding most of it; rather they know what it means and this is sufficient to be guided by the Qur'aan.
    here are many reasons for these differences and they have been studied by specialised scholars. The reader may consult Asbaab Ikhtilaaf al-Mufassireen by Prof. Dr. Muhammad al-Shaayi’ and Ikhtilaaf al-Mufassireen Asbaabuhu wa Athaaruhu by Prof. Dr. Sa’ood al-Funaysaan.

    Fourthly:

    This second type should not be a reason for doubting the validity of the Qur'aan for a number of reasons:

    1- It does not occur concerning any the verses that have to do with beliefs or the aims of Sharee’ah; rather it only occurs concerning the verses on rulings, such as the difference of opinion among the scholars on meaning of the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods” [al-Baqarah 2:228]: does al-qar’ (translated here as menstrual period) refer to purity or menses? Or it may occur in the commentary on some Qur’aanic contexts that have to do with stories or exhortation and the like, such as their difference of opinion on the meaning of the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “Then [the babe ‘Eesa (Jesus) or Jibreel (Gabriel)] cried unto her from below her, saying: “Grieve not: your Lord has provided a water stream under you” [Maryam 19:24]. — is the one who called out Jibreel or ‘Eesa (peace be upon them both)? This difference of opinion — as you can see — does not have to do with the essence of belief or sharee’ah; rather it is a fiqhi matter in which Allah willed that some differences should occur out of mercy towards this ummah and also as a test; or it is a difference that does not affect the general meaning of the verse.

    2- These differences — although they are very rare — mostly occurred among the later generations. If we go back to the tafseer of the early generations, the Sahaabah and Taabi’een, we would not find most of these differences that are found in later books of tafseer.

    3- Finally, there is wisdom in the fact that the meaning of some verses is not quite clear, so that people will strive hard and there will be discussion of these verses and knowledge in books and people's minds.

    Islam can only be practiced together with the Sunnah (prophet tradition) and Muslims can only apply the Qur'an into real life with its help. The Sunnah, on the other hand, is the belief of the Ahl al-Sunnah, which is the totality of our Prophet's (saas) authentic hadiths and their subsequent interpretations by the great Islamic scholars
    Hadith or the Prophet’s Sunnah( prophet Mohamed trdaition ) is integral to the Qur’an. Allah Almighty says: (… And We have revealed unto thee the Remembrance that thou mayst explain to mankind that which hath been revealed for them, and that haply they may reflect.) (An-Nahl 16: 44)
    Hadith is integral to the Qur’an, since they are inseparably linked to each other. It is impossible to understand the Qur’an without reference to Hadith. The Qur’an is the message, and the Hadith is the explanation of the message by the Messenger himself. I mention the following points to clarify the issue:

    1. The Qur’an makes it abundantly clear that the function of the Messenger is not merely that of a deliveryman who simply delivers the revelation from Allah to us. Rather, he has been entrusted with the most important task of explaining and illustrating the same. This is a point mentioned in a number of verses in the Qur’an (See the Qur’an: 16: 44; 64). Therefore, Hadith explains, clarifies, and removes ambiguities about the Qur’an. Hence, once we reject the Hadith, we may never be able to figure out the whole meaning of the Qur’an.

    2. Much of Islam will remain mere abstract concepts without Hadith. We would never know how to pray, fast, pay Zakah, or make pilgrimage without the illustration found in Hadith, for these acts of worship remain as abstract imperatives in the Qur’an.

    3. The Qur’an tells us the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) has taught not only the Book but also the wisdom (See Qur’an: 96:2; 33:34; 4:113, etc.). As Imam Shafi`i stated, the wisdom mentioned here is the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him); so if we were to reject the Hadith, we would be rejecting the Qur’an itself.
    The primary concern of the muhaddith (hadith specialist) is the narration of the hadith and the soundness of the text, itself. The primary concern of the fuqaha’ is the actual meaning established in the hadith and that leads to methodological differences in general between them and the hadith scholars, and more particularly within the schools of Islamic law.]

    So the person who doesn’t have a wide understanding and is not aware of these differences could have doubts and things will seem confusing to him.

    In situations when Muslims have not been able to find a specific legal ruling in the Qur'an or Sunnah, the consensus of the community is sought (or at least the consensus of the legal scholars within the community). The Prophet Muhammad once said that his community (i.e. the Muslim community) would never agree on an error. so there isno scholar who allows the killing of innocents..If u look at the prophet saying or quran there is no text that indicated the killing of civilians non muslims or muslims

  • cjkcjk

    Lots of words you use, but you still manage to say nothing!
    I don't even have to carefully nor completely read your queeranic quotes because I already know them IN CONTEXT.
    Once again, according to Christian scripture there is no mention of Mary or Josephs ages…DONE

    Regardless of anything Chriastian anyway that doesn't change the FACT that profit mo' was a disgusting pedophile who raped a hairlewss child when he was 54.
    My showing any kind of respect for such a murderous, thieving fiend such as mohammed(piss be upon him) would be personally embarrassing to me.
    I do look down on anyone who worships such a pig and his demon-god.
    Why would you place/risk your eternal destiny on such a fool as mo'???
    Have you actually read your scripture???
    Do you have a brain???

  • cjkcjk

    How much time wasted studying the babbling of a satanic fiend like mo'; it boggles my mind.

  • guest

    cjkcjk
    Although u insulted the prophet Mohamed, i can not return an injury for an injury.When some one insulted him,he prayed for him and ask God to forgive him.

    “Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!.”

    Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert evil with good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them.
    If u speak bad about him; many respected him.
    Washington Irving 'Mahomet and His Successors'

    He was sober and abstemious in his diet and a rigorous observer of fasts. He indulged in no magnificence of apparel, the ostentation of a petty mind; neither was his simplicity in dress affected but a result of real disregard for distinction from so trivial a source.

    In his private dealings he was just. He treated friends and strangers, the rich and poor, the powerful and weak, with equity, and was beloved by the common people for the affability with which he received them, and listened to their complaints.

    His military triumphs awakened no pride nor vain glory, as they would have done had they been effected for selfish purposes. In the time of his greatest power he maintained the same simplicity of manners and appearance as in the days of his adversity. So far from affecting a regal state, he was displeased if, on entering a room, any unusual testimonials of respect were shown to him. If he aimed at a universal dominion, it was the dominion of faith; as to the temporal rule which grew up in his hands, as he used it without ostentation, so he took no step to perpetuate it in his family.
    Rodwell in the Preface to his translation of the Holy Qur'an

    Mohammad's career is a wonderful instance of the force and life that resides in him who possesses an intense faith in God and in the unseen world. He will always be regarded as one of those who have had that influence over the faith, morals and whole earthly life of their fellow men, which none but a really great man ever did, or can exercise; and whose efforts to propagate a great verity will prosper.

    W. Montgomery Watt in 'Muhammad at Mecca,' Oxford, 1953.

    His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems that it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad…. Thus, not merely must we credit Muhammad with essential honesty and integrity of purpose, if we are to understand him at all; if we are to correct the errors we have inherited from the past, we must not forget the conclusive proof is a much stricter requirement than a show of plausibility, and in a matter such as this only to be attained with difficulty.

    D. G. Hogarth in 'Arabia'

    Serious or trivial, his daily behavior has instituted a canon which millions observe this day with conscious memory. No one regarded by any section of the human race as Perfect Man has ever been imitated so minutely. The conduct of the founder of Christianity has not governed the ordinary life of his followers. Moreover, no founder of a religion has left on so solitary an eminence as the Muslim apostle.
    Rodwell in the Preface to his translation of the Holy Qur'an

    Mohammad's career is a wonderful instance of the force and life that resides in him who possesses an intense faith in God and in the unseen world. He will always be regarded as one of those who have had that influence over the faith, morals and whole earthly life of their fellow men, which none but a really great man ever did, or can exercise; and whose efforts to propagate a great verity will prosper.

    W. Montgomery Watt in 'Muhammad at Mecca,' Oxford, 1953.

    His readiness to undergo persecution for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as a leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems that it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad…. Thus, not merely must we credit Muhammad with essential honesty and integrity of purpose, if we are to understand him at all; if we are to correct the errors we have inherited from the past, we must not forget the conclusive proof is a much stricter requirement than a show of plausibility, and in a matter such as this only to be attained with difficulty.

    D. G. Hogarth in 'Arabia'

    Serious or trivial, his daily behavior has instituted a canon which millions observe this day with conscious memory. No one regarded by any section of the human race as Perfect Man has ever been imitated so minutely. The conduct of the founder of Christianity has not governed the ordinary life of his followers. Moreover, no founder of a religion has left on so solitary an eminence as the Muslim apostle.

    As far as i am concerned, I do not hate you on your belief nor on your race, color , country.All muslim leaders, scholars, decision makes, common folk and i are against terrorism.The life is a sacred thing,. Non-Muslims CANNOT be murdered just for being a non-Muslim. That is unacceptable and the prophet forbade such senseless killings.This my last message.I said to u good bye yesterday but i i had to add more.I have nothing to say but to thank Mr Spencer for allowing me to express my opinion and i am greateful to all of you for your time.

    A madman, a poet, a magician or what
    all of the above he was not
    His honesty and character they had all seen
    this pure noble soul they called Al-Amin

    Muhammed the truthful, was indeed sincere
    Allah's final messenger to many it was clear
    He had been appointed to guide mankind
    to illuminate ignorant hearts so blind

    The message was beautiful and so pure
    to the hearts of mankind the wisdom did lure
    It filled their lives with love and compassion
    Muhammed words? No it can only be revelation

    Islam is peace, Islam is ease,
    Islam's not danger or disease.
    Islam is love and prosperity.
    Islam's not hatred or adversity.

    Islam is salvation through repentence.
    Islam has love for all in abundance.
    Islam means no harm or affliction.
    Islam implores you with affection.

    Islam is neither maze nor craze.
    Islam is giving Allah all praise.
    Islam is acing through the race.
    Islam will be on everyone's face.

    Islam is worshipping only the Creator.
    Islam's not mere numbers on a calculator.
    Islam gives you power when you surrender.
    Islam's not a terrorist or for a pretender.

    Islam is patience and perseverance.
    Islam eases your vengeance through tolerance.
    Islam is life for all eternity.
    Islam gives you respect, moreover dignity.

  • DemocracyFirst

    I appreciate your good will. And i appreciate that, in a sense, you are taking up Spencer's challenge to prove that Islam is not what the terrorists make of it.

    But, when you say this, you reveal the problem, “knowing about islam should be taken from reliable muslim scholars.”

    Islam is at theological civil war, and always has been. The Koran clearly calls for peace. It also clearly calls for war against all others until subdued or converted. You say such verses need to be understood in context. Well, one side of your civil war sees that context differently than does your side. A huge number of perfectly reliable Muslim scholars now and in the past support Islam's war against all others. Another huge number supports your side. The religion inherently opposes itself, allowing both sides to soundly argue their understanding of it.

    There's absolutely no point for moderates to work on non Muslims. For we will see the facts around us: The Islamic world is largely at war with all the non Muslim world, from Asia to Africa to Europe to the Americas – and of course, in the ME itself.

    Instead, you need to work on your fellow Muslims. When the clear majority of individuals, imams, theologians and governments profoundly express their support of your side, then come to non Muslims with evidence of that (basically, when the Islamic world acts peacefully towards all others). Until then, we`ll watch your civil war hoping you win, and we`ll be more and more defending ourselves against your enemy and ours.

  • DemocracyFirst

    Can you argue against his points? Or can you only resort to ad hominem attack?

  • DemocracyFirst

    You don't need to apologoze for them. But you need to challenge them and displace them from positions of authority and influence.

    If Orthodox Jews were terrorizing the world, do you think other Jews would attempt to drown out critics with, “Why should I apologies for anything anyone else has done?” Instead, they'd publicly condemn them and do everything in their power to neutralize them.

    If Reform Jews were terrorizing the world, think other Jews would say, “”Jewish terrorism” is a western creation. You created the bed, now you sleep in it.” (Note that Jews never terrorized Germans after WW2.)

    Sorry, all Muslims bear responsibility – not for the actions of others, but to change the teachings, attitudes, anti-Semitism and anti-Christian culture, and so on. If you do not work to change them, then you can only be seen to support them.

  • DemocracyFirst

    Yes, but they never condemn by name any Islamic terrorist organization. When one reads between the lines, the message screams out.

    They also support UN resolutions that would strip peoples of the world their freedom to criticize Islam or Islamic countries. Meanwhile, their own countries are virulently presecuting non Muslims. Again, reality speaks louder than amorphous commnent.

  • DemocracyFirst

    As the other respondent says, Mary's age was not noted. There is absolutely no reason to think she was 6 when married, 9 when she first had sex (and without choice).

    As for ancient Jews…Judaism does not present them as “perfect,” as role models for all jews to follow. Quite to the contrary. Judaism finds fault with everyone, including their lions. Thus, Jews today, being entirely consistent withn the faith, can and do disavow certain practises and behaviours of great biblical figures.

    Muslims, however, do not disavow any of Mohammed's practises, behaviours or actions. hence, the dramatic difference.

    We can also surmise how different Christianity would be, had jesus been a polygamist, pedaphile, mass murderer, war lord, no matter if much of his preaching was about peace.

  • DemocracyFirst

    You're a good person. People here are unfairly venting towards you. I sincerely regret that they are.

  • Don

    Muslims, you may be a fine person as an indivual, but you are also, more inportantly (according to your prophet), part of the ummah. Coming to blog sites and trying to explain your version of Islam is fine, or trying to convince people here that you, as an indivvual, reject the jihadist attitude, is fine. But it's not enough. Sorry to say, it doesn't hold water. The ummah, well over a billion strong, needs simply ONE Martin Luther King or Gandhi or Luther or William Wallace right now. Now! Out of well over a billion people who (supposedly) know their religion is looked upon with scorn by the rest of the world, with good reason, and has been since the 1970s (beginning with the Munich Olympics/Paletinians and all the hijackings and so on and only becomes moreso), where is that ONE person who can bring the majority of Muslims together against those who YOU say are defiling your religion. I have to tell you, as one poster said already, if what is happening in Islam right now was happening in Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, or any other relgion, there would be an outright uprising against those who defiled their religion. The “radicals” would be squashed. Why don't we see that in Islam? I believe it is because of a few things, one being that every Muslim knows that his/her life will be cut short doing so, and that the Qur'an DOES justify the actions we see (and the jihadists can prove it and the ummah cannot argue it). But Abdullah, if you feel so strongly – and I applaud you for it – why don't YOU do the entire world a favor and do more than try to convince a dozen people on this site, or why don't YOU find among the ummah the person who can lead Islam out of the death cult that it currently is?

  • Wiseone

    You may be able to trust dead muslims

  • cjkcjk

    mo' had at least three poets who criticized him with only words murdered when he gained power over Mecca…..If you are as educated about mohammedanism as you seem to imply you should know this truth.
    allah is a moondevil and the father of lies as Jesus called him. Not the fake mohammedan Esau, but the true Son of God who will desstroy allah and also sentence the lying mo' to an eternity in the lake of fire along with all his followers.

    mohammedanism is hate, mohammedanism is tedious,
    mohammedanism is danger and disease.
    mohammedanism is hate and poverty.
    mohammedanism is not love or peace.

    mohammedanism is damnation through sin.
    mohammedanism has hate for all Kufirs in abundance.
    mohammedanism means harm and affliction
    mohammedanism implores you with hatred and murder

    mohammedanism is in short chaos
    mohammedanism IS GIVING allah(satan) all praise
    mohammedanism IS ACTING THROUGH THE RACE
    mohammedanism will never be on any saints face

    mohammedanism is worship of God's adversary
    mohammedanism IS NOT MERE NUMBERS ON A CALCULATOR
    mohammedanism damns your soul when you surrender
    mohammedanism is a terrorist and a pretender

    mohammedanism is patience and perseverance in the pursuit of wickedness
    mohammedanism demands vengeance without mercy
    mohammedanism is death in The Lake of Fire for eternity with mo' and al'
    mohammedanism destroys man's dignity

  • guest

    HI I would like to thank you for all u replies.
    cjkcjk

    Knowledge is like a father and action is like a child. Knowledge goes with action as narrating goes with understanding.
    Whenever you intend to be honored with knowledge, be attributed to it and be of its people, before giving knowledge its full rights upon you, otherwise its light will be concealed from you and all that will remain on you is its outward illumination. That knowledge is against you, not for you, because knowledge directs towards its application, so if it is not applied appropriately, its blessings are removed.

    “The people will never be pleased with the statement of a scholar who does not act, nor of a person who acts but has no knowledge.

    Whoever seeks knowledge in order to act upon it will be humbled by his knowledge but whoever seeks it for other than that, will be increased by it in arrogance.

    The scholar remains ignorant with regard to what he has learned until he acts according to it, and only then does he become a true scholar.

    We have not been given ignorance but we Hide the face of knowledge through ignorance. We detest making mistakes in our speech Yet we do not care about making mistakes in our actions.

    To maintain nice relations with the people is half of intelligence, nice questioning is half of knowledge, and nice domestic arrangements is half of the management of livelihood.”

    “There is no goodness in the one who is not friendly or likeable.
    “Forgive the one who does you wrong.”
    “Give to the one who denied you.”
    “Show mercy towards those who are on earth so that the One Who is in heaven will show mercy to you.”
    “A bad attitude spoils a good deed just as vinegar spoils honey.”
    “Mix with people with a good attitude.”
    “Give food to others and speak good.”
    * Kindness is a mark of faith, and whoever is not kind has no faith.

    There is no greater wealth than wisdom, no greater poverty than ignorance; no greater heritage than culture and no greater support than consultation.

    . Patience is of two kinds: patience over what pains you, and patience against what you covet.

    Tongue is a beast, if it is let loose, it devours.

    No wealth is more useful than intelligence and wisdom; no solitude is more horrible than when people avoid you on account of your vanity and conceit or when you wrongly consider yourself above everybody to confide and consult; no eminence is more exalting than piety; no companion can prove more useful than politeness; no heritage is better than culture; no leader is superior to Divine Guidance; no deal is more profitable than good deeds; no profit is greater than Divine Reward; no abstinence is better than to restrain one's mind from doubts (about religion); no virtue is better than refraining from prohibited deeds; no knowledge is superior to deep thinking and prudence; no worship or prayers are more sacred than fulfillment of obligations and duties, no religious faith is loftier than feeling ashamed of doing wrong and bearing calamities patiently; no eminence is greater than to adopt humbleness; no exaltation is superior to knowledge; nothing is more respectable than forgiveness and forbear- ance; no support and defense are stronger than consultation.
    cjkcjk
    When I feel angry with a person how and when should I satisfy my anger, whether at a time when I am not in a position to retaliate and people may advise me to bear patiently or when I have power to punish and I forgive.
    To keep silent when you can say something wise and useful is as bad as keeping on propagating foolish and unwise thoughts. .
    Dear friends

    The prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was reported to have said, “The best among people is he who benefits them the most.”

    He (peace and blessings be upon him) was also reported to have said, “A (true) Muslim is the one who avoids harming Muslims with his tongue and hands, and a (true) believer is the one on whose part Muslims fear no aggression.”

    Furthermore, the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) mentioned that one of the best deeds in Islam is “making peace with the world.”

    Allah Almighty says, (And Allah invites to the abode of peace and guides whom He pleases into the right path.) (Yunus 10:25)

  • abdullah

    Dear
    Are you not aware that two siblings do not have the same personality and traits.It happens that in a family there is a good and bad member.If the latter commits an evil act.Which one to bring to trial.How many are arrested for violant crime over the world.
    Are the numbers of males and females in prison muslims

    Muslims can be your uncle, aunt,grandfather,grandmother, grandson,cousin , nephew, neighbour, employee, employer, students, teachers , friends and doctor.

    What do Muslims believe about Jesus (peace be upon him)?

    Muslims respect and revere Jesus (peace be upon him) , and await his second coming. They consider him one of the greatest of God’s messengers to mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as `Jesus', but always adds the phrase “peace be upon him.” The Qur’aan confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Qur’aan is entitled `Mary') in her time, and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation. The Qur’aan describes the creation of Jesus as follows (interpretation of the meaning): “Behold! the Angel said, `God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one that shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.' She said: `O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: `Even so; God creates what He wills. When He decrees a thing, He but says to it, “Be!” and it is.” (Qur’aan, Surat (chapter) Aala ‘Imraan, 3:42-7) Jesus (peace be upon him) was born miraculously through the same power which had brought Adam (peace be upon him) into being without a father: “Truly, the likeness of Jesus unto Allaah is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, `Be!' and he was.” (3:59) During his prophetic mission, Jesus (peace be upon him) was granted and performed many miracles. The Qur’aan tells us that he said (interpretation of meaning): “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by Allaah’s leave. And I heal the blind and the lepers, and I raise the dead by Allaah’s leave.” (3:49) Other miracles include speaking soon after birth in defense of his mother's piety. God's other gifts to him included healing the blind and the sick, reviving the dead, and, most importantly, the message he was carrying. These miracles were granted to him by God to establish him as a prophet. According to the Qur’aan, he was not crucified, but only appeared so; instead, Allaah raised him unto Heaven. (Quraan, Chapter Maryam) Neither Muhammad (peace be upon him), nor Jesus (peace be upon him), came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in one God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Quran Jesus (peace be upon him), is reported as saying that he came: ” To attest the law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden you; I have come to you with a sign form your Lord, so fear God and obey me.” (3:50)

    The evidence that Allah is the only Creator of life may be found in many places in the Qur’an and Sunnah. For example:

    “Blessed is He in Whose Hand is the dominion, and He is Able to do all things,
    Who has created death and life, that He may test you which of you is best in deed, and He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving.”
    [al-Mulk 67:1-2]

    “Is, then, He Who creates as one who creates not?”
    [al-Nahl 16:17]

    “Yet they have taken besides Him other gods that created nothing but are themselves created . . .”
    [al-Furqaan 25:3]

    Allah challenged all of mankind to create even the most insignificant creature, i.e. a fly, but no one could do that and no one ever will. Allah says:

    “O mankind! A similitude has been coined, so listen to it (carefully): verily! Those on whom you call besides Allah cannot create (even) a fly, even though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly snatched away a thing from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought.”
    [al-Hajj 22:73]

    In the name of Allaah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. All praises and thanks be to Allaah, the Lord of the ‘Aalameen (mankind, jinns and all that exists), the Most Beneficient, the Most Merciful, the Only Owner (and the Only Ruling Judge) of the Day of Recompense (i.e., the Day of Resurrection). You (Alone) we worship, and You (alone) we ask for help (for each and every thing).” [al-Faatihah 1:1-5]

    “O mankind! Worship your Lord (Allaah), Who has created you and those before you so that you may become al-muttaqoon (the pious).” [al-Baqarah 2:21]

    “Such is Allaah, your Lord! None has the right to be worshipped but He, the Creator of all things. So worship Him (Alone), and He is the Wakeel (Trustee, Disposer of affairs, Guardian) over all things.”[al-An’aam 6:102]

    “And your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be dutiful to your parents. If one of them or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of disrespect, nor shout at them but address them in terms of honour.” [al-Isra’ 17:23]

    Muslim worship Allaah [the One True God] whom all the Prophets worshipped. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya’qoob [Jacob]? When he said unto his sons, ‘What will you worship after me?’ They said, ‘We shall worship your God, the God of your fathers, Ibraaheem [Abraham], Ismaa’eel [Ishmael] and Is-haaq [Isaac], One God, and to Him we submit (in Islam).” [al-Baqarah 2:133]

    The Muslims worship Allaah and call others who follow different religions to worship Allaah Alone, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Say [O Muhammad]: ‘O People of the Scripture [Jews and Christians]: come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allaah, and we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allaah.’ Then, if they turn away, say, ‘Bear witness that we are Muslims.’” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:64]

    “Indeed, We sent Nooh [Noah] to his people and he said: ‘O my people! Worship Allaah! You have no other god but Him. Certainly, I fear for you the torment of a Great Day!.’” [al-A’raaf 7:59]

    “Surely they have disbelieved who say: ‘Allaah is the Messiah [Jesus] son of Maryam [Mary].’ But the Messiah said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allaah, then Allaah has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode. And for the zaalimoon (polytheists and wrong-doers) there are no helpers.” [al-Maa’idah 5:73]

    Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And (remember) when Allaah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): ‘O ‘Eesa [Jesus], son of Maryam [Mary]! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allaah?’ He will say: ‘Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours. You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

    Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allaah) did command me to say: “Worship Allaah, my Lord and your Lord.” And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things.’”[al-Maa’idah 5:116-117]

    When Allaah spoke to His Prophet Moosa [Moses] (peace be upon him), He said (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Verily, I am Allaah! None has the right to be worshipped but I, so worship Me, and perform al-Salaah [prayer] for My Remembrance.”[Ta-Ha 20:14]

    Allaah commanded His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) as follows (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Say [O Muhammad]: ‘O mankind! If you are in doubt as to my religion (Islam), then (know that) I will never worship those whom you worship, besides Allaah. But I worship Allaah Who causes you to die, I am commanded to be one of the believers.” [Yoonus 10:104]

    It is Him Alone, with no partner or associate, Whom the angels worship and do not worship anyone or anything besides Him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “To Him belongs whosoever is in the heavens and on earth. And those who are near Him (i.e., the angels) are not too proud to worship Him, nor are they weary (of His worship).”[al-Anbiya’ 21:19]

    Everything that is worshipped instead of Allaah can neither bring benefit nor cause harm, it can neither create nor provide. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Say (O Muhammad, to mankind); ‘How do you worship besides Allaah something which has no power either to harm or to benefit you? But it is Allaah Who is the All-Hearer, All-Knower.’” [al-Maa’idah 5:76]

    “You worship besides Allaah only idols, and you only invent falsehood. Verily, those whom you worship besides Allaah have no power to give you provision, so seek your provision from Allaah (Alone), and worship Him (Alone), and be grateful to Him. To Him (Alone) you will be brought back.” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:17]

    “Is not He (better than your gods) Who created the heavens and the earth, and sends down for you water (rain) from the sky, whereby We cause to grow wonderful gardens full of beauty and delight? It is not in your ability to cause the growth of their trees. Is there any god with Allaah? Nay, but they are a people who ascribe equals (to Him)!

    Is not he (better than you gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water). Is there any god with Allaah? Nay, but most of them know not.

    Is not He (better than your gods) Who responds to the distressed one, when He calls Him, and Who removes the evil, generations after generations. Is there any god with Allaah? Little is it that you remember!

    Is not He (better than your gods) Who guides you in the darkness of the land and the sea, and Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His mercy (rain)? Is there any god with Allaah? High Exalted be Allaah above all that they associate as partners (to Him)!

    Is not He (better than your so-called gods) Who originates creation, and shall thereafter repeat it, and Who provides for you from heaven and earth? Is there any god with Allaah? Say: ‘bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful’

    Say: ‘None on the heavens and the earth knows the unseen except Allaah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected.’”

    [al-Naml 27:60-65]

  • andyFree

    It's unbelievable that people come out with things so stupid. Even when it comes to Islam vs the US, the latter is guilty of killing at least 30 as many as the former! That's if you only count the US-accepted figures of US-accepted sources. If you only extend the search to normally reliable sources like the Lancet, you get 100 times more killings by the US.

  • andyFree

    Your argument is probably correct. (Well, maybe I should say your argument may have something to commend it, White Southerners actually remain a deeply intolerant bunch in the envious and desperation-laced society they choose to operate).

    However, standing in the middle of a lynch-mob is not the right place to point out that some of the victims behaviour could do with being reformed. That's hypocritical at best.

  • Don

    Abdullah, you are way too long-winded, and frankly, you're arguments simply don't add up with informed people – people with a few more brain cells than Free-Whoever (who made the idiotic response above or below).

    You begin with the two personality traits and the truth that one brother cannot be held accountable for the actions of the other. I agree. So without being long-winded in my argument, a simple question: Why do Muslims across thee board still hate Jews, and have throughout for 1400 years (long before Israel existed), for something that happened 14 centuries ago?

    When I lived/worked in Kuwait I once heard a member of the Kuwaiti parliament say that if he realized that he had mistakenly shaken hands with a Jew, he would cut his hand off. A Muslim woman I dated – in secret of course, since both she and I could've ended up dead – told me she knew there are a lot of Jews in the states and before she would have sex with me made me promise I had never had sex with a Jewess, in fact, that I had never touched one. I lied. And I found it quite interesting that the only sex she would have with me was anal, since she had to prove her virginity to her future husband and his family. Same story with another Muslima I dated – although she didn't ask me about sex with a Jew, though she did express hatred for them on a few occaisions.

    So why, Abdullah, if according to your statement that we cannot be held accountable for our brother, then I assume certainly not for your ancestors 14 centuries earlier, why the long-lingering hatred across the board? (Israel is an invalid excuse, since Muslims don't just hate Israelis – they hate Jews, period.)

  • Don

    “Islam is peace…”

    Come on, man. Who the hell do you think you're kidding? Islam is peace like fresh dog shit smells like a rose. Do you really believe that because YOU say Islam is peace that anyone is going to believe that? Westerners have read thee Qur'an now. We know the life of Mohammed now. We know the history of Islam and its spread. We see what is happening all around the world in Islam today, including the little deal yesterday on the Amsterdam/Detroit flight. You're not convincing anyone. muslim. Any attempt to turn dog crap into a rose is pathetic.

  • Don

    Interesting, and ignorant comment. When was the last lynching you know of? How many decades ago? And how many African-American and female and Latino/a local and state representatives are there in the South, duly and freely elected by Southerners? (A hell of a lot.) You don't live in the South, do you? You have probably never visited the South either, have you. Where do you get your misinformation? Joan Walsh at Salon? The MoveOn.org ignoramouses? Chris Matthews? Keith Obermann? You're stupid.

  • Don

    Idiot, it's about the religion, get it? No, you don't. Back to U.S. Constitution 101: Separation of Church and State. The United States has never fought a war over religion or used Christianity as a basis of a war. Want to spew your anti-American bullshit? Great. Make your arguments like a halfway intelligent person. But when you try to make the connection between Islamic terrorism around the world for the last 1400 years and the tens of thousands killed in the name of Islam and the wars that the United States has fought (and the tens of millions around thee world liberated from our blood and sacrifice), you're only proving what an idiot you are. Now go back to your Salon, Huffington Post, and Newsweek articles, or your Leftist Western Euro-weenie newspapers who make their sales off their anti-Americanism, and feel good about yourself hating America. Mental midget.

  • Don

    It doesn't take an “anthropologist” like the numbnut Free suggests – obviosly he doesn't know what an anthropologist does. But then he proves with practically every post that he's an idiot anyway.

    Any Islamic/Qur'anic scholar can point the verses in the Qur'an regarding Islamic “brotherhood” and the dictates about standing with and supporting the ummah as a religious duty, and especially in regards to when “unbelievers” are involved in any way.

    I can go to my bookshelf and get the verses from my Qur'an upon request. But trsut me, there are Qur'anic dictates and scholarly edicts in regards to the sin of non-support of the ummah or “Muslim brothers.”

    Chaudary, an Islamic leader in London, recently said in front of a nation-wide audience on a news program when asked about this, said, “As a Muslim I cannot and will not condemn Osma bin Laden.”

  • Don

    Fuck you! I'd like just two minutes alone with your pathetic ass. American? Go out in the street and spew that shit, asshole. And tell me where you live and I will personally make the trip to confront you myself (if other Americans don't don't get to you first). Cowardly POS.

  • Don

    Refused to discuss surrender? Lengthened the war? Are you egging us on, or are you really that stupid?

  • Don

    DonnaMarie, you certainly know by now that Muslims never address the real problem or take on any responsibility; it's always about other people's problems and misdeeds, never their own. Having lived in the ME for six years I saw this in everything from work not getting done in the office, showing up late for meetings, to the wrong meal being brought to me in a restaurant. It's pecularly Islamic. It's ALWAYS someone elses fault. Inshallah!

  • andyFree

    You didn't write that yourself – you lifted it from “The Rights of Non-Muslims in Islam (part 4 of 13): Right to Preservation of Dignity as Human Beings II”.

    You make Muslims look dim-witted by cutting and pasting in that fashion.

  • guest

    Dear
    We do not hate you dear jews.My father and mother speak good of you and that u have coexisted for centuries.My class mate was a jew.We used to help each other and echange ideas.She used to bring to us cookies and even i i went to many jews doctor
    Jews moves freely, they are enjoying their rights not a jews but as citizn.
    Abdullah answer was to present u verses about jesus in QURAN and who is God.He is right since a jew or a christain can be my uncle, my grandfather or mother.He can be my nephew or my niece.
    If u choose u religion as u are free.No one can impose on u islma or his will but this does not matter that we can not be friends,or deal with each other.U are christain , jews , or what ever, i am muslim..What is the problem.
    but we establish a good relationship and live in peace.

  • cjkcjk

    The problem is that al' (satan) demands the take over of all the earth for mohammedanism by violent means if necessary as laid out in the queeran and sunnah of the pedophile profit mo'…..DUH !

    I don't have any problem with mohammedans as individuals except for their ignorance of their religion which doesn't make anyone bad.

    The doctrine and example of mohammed(piss be upon him) is wickedly despicable and violent…that's the problem…..DUH !

  • cjkcjk

    I never actually read your posts because after reading the queeran itself i'm already way too burnt out with mo's self serving drivel.
    You write down much, but say very little.
    The bottom line is that allah is another word for satan and mohammed(piss be upon him) was a murderous, thieving, terrorizing, despicable, pedophile.
    Even mo' himself wondered whether or not if he was possessed by a devil per his own words!!!

  • Don

    What do you mean “We do not hate you dear jews.” I'm not a Jew, but would proud to be one since they are a wonderful and amazing people who have contributed so much to the world and have overcome so much.

    Your classmate was a Jew? Congratulations! Boy, aren't YOU a wonderful man for having a Jewish classmate?

    You're pathetic, Abdulla. Your excuses and arguments are senseless, not based in Qur'anic teachings or the edicts by your clerics and scholars, and you're simply a typical Muslim excuse-maker who won't accept any responsibilty for your fucked up, violent, hateful, bigoted, mysogenisticc, anti-everyone-not-Islamic, jihadist religion.

  • abdullah

    The Quran refers to the Jews as Ahl al-Kitab (People of the Book). There status is exactly the same as of Christians. Allah also gives Muslims this instruction about them:

    Say: 'O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than God.' If then they turn back, say ye: 'Bear witness that we (at least) are bowing to God's Will.' (3: 64)
    he Quran refers to the Jews as Ahl al-Kitab (People of the Book). There status is exactly the same as of Christians. Allah also gives Muslims this instruction about them:
    It is important to get a correct understanding of a number of verses of the Quran as well as sayings of the Prophet on Jews.

    Some persons take one verse or a few, without looking at when they were revealed or why, as well as the historical circumstances relating to them, as an excuse to mistreat Jews. This is not correct.
    MUSLIM should be good to their neighbours whether they are chrisytains or jews and treat them with respect, and show them their courtesy, and whenever they have an occasion to talk to them,

    They may have dialogue with them, and discuss the negative aspects of Zionism. they may disagree with a person’s views, but as neighbor you still have to deal with him and recognize the neighbor’s rights.

    It is reported that the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, had a neighbor who used to throw garbage in his way, but when the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, heard one day that the neighbor was sick he went to visit that neighbor.

    This is the way of Islam. Allah Almighty says: “The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one, which is better, then lo! He, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.” (Fussilat: 34)”

  • abdullah

    Don
    IN kuwait, there ARE restaurants at safat and salmiya.What u favorite food.As a muslim we re allowed to eat jewsfood.Have u eaten good brisket meat

    “Judaism and Islam are both monotheistic religions whose followers believe in the absolute unity of the One and Only God.”

    “Jews and Muslims both have elaborate and comparable codes of conduct, laws and jurisprudence, covering all aspects of life.

    “The importance of charity (sadaka, tsedaka) is pertinent to the value system of each tradition. Even the dietary procedures (halal and kosher) are comparable.”

    “For many centuries our communities co-existed and worked together fruitfully and peacefully.

    “There needs to be an awareness of positive encounters at different stages of our history.”

    It is our contention that we are faced today not with 'a clash of civilizations' but with 'a clash of ill-informed misunderstandings'.”

    In a letter generated by the Muslim-Jewish study centre at the Woolf Institute of Abrahamic Faiths in Cambridge, Muslim scholars acknowledged the gap in understanding that exists today between Jews and Muslims, and asked Jewish leaders to help them bridge it.

    Sheik Michael Mumisa, a lecturer at the Woolf Institute, described the letter as the first in modern times sent to the Jewish community with the backing of scholars and Muslim leaders.

    “The message in this letter conveys to the Jewish community a genuine desire for mutual respect, for dialogue and deeper understanding,” he said.

    The letter to the world’s Jewish community, Mumisa said, is “a call for positive and constructive action that aims to improve Muslim-Jewish relations.”

    “I really think that this letter is a signal that we are ready to call for dialogue,” said Professor Tariq Ramadan. “We need to get beyond ‘tolerance’ which is saying that ‘I put up with you but I would rather you were not here’ to a mutual knowledge and a mutual respect.”

    Signators include Professor Akbar Ahmed, the chair of Islamic Studies at American University in Washington.

    The letter notes that Judaism and Islam share core doctrinal beliefs, the most important of which is strict monotheism. That theological conjoining should in itself dictate greater communication, the signators urged.

    According to the Woolf Institute, the letter’s aim, is to show that Muslims are willing to engage in dialogue with the Jewish community about issues other than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    “I wholeheartedly welcome this most important initiative on the part of Muslim scholars and representatives,” commented Rabbi David Rosen, international president, Religions for Peace and Advisor on Interfaith Relations to the chief rabbinate of Israel.

    Rosen added: “The benefits from respectful dialogue and cooperation between the Muslim and Jewish communities can be a blessing not only to the communities themselves, but can have a profound impact on wider even global relations between religions and peoples, contributing to the well being of human society as a whole.”

  • Don

    I lived near Salmiya in Hawalli. Palm Palace was my favorite restaurant. Lebanese food. Starbuks near the Sultan Center too. The American restauarants along Arabian Gulf Road were good too.

  • abdullah

    Don and cjk
    Having quoted verses from Quran about God and jesus without having any intention to impose on you my belief.

    ” you have your own religion and we have our own”
    I also I don’t accept the claim that you offend Muslims or to insult our prophet.

    We need to keep in mind that, among those who were killed ,there were people who loved Jesus (Christians), the Prophet Moses (Jews) and the Prophet Muhammad (Muslims). Unless forgiven by God, murdering innocent people is a great sin that leads to torment in Hell. No one who is religious and fears God would do such a thing.

    Religion commands love, mercy and peace. Terror, on the other hand, is cruel, merciless and demands bloodshed and misery. This being the case, the origins of terrorist acts should be sought in disbelief rather than in religion. The name or the identity of the triggerman is not important. If he can kill innocent people without blinking an eye, then he is a nonbeliever, not a believer. For this reason, “Islamic terror” is an erroneous concept which contradicts the message of Islam.

    The religion of Islam can by no means countenance terrorism. On the contrary, terror (i.e. the murder of innocent people) in Islam is a great sin, and Muslims are responsible for preventing these acts and bringing peace and justice to the world.

    Dear jews and christains
    od is not behind assassins. Anyone involved in this must pay for their evil.

    Hatred caused this tragedy and adding to the hatred that already exists in the world will not help. Instead, we should try to understand each other better.

    Americans and all nice people on earth are warm, loving and hospitable people, and we share many of the same values. I ask that churches and synagogues all across the nation invite representatives of the Islamic faith into their places of worship, to better understand Islam. This could help us all respect each other more.

    PEACE PEACE PEACE

  • abdullah

    Don
    so u like lebanese food at Street, Salmiya, near Marks & Spencer
    I am sure you a man who can not lie.How u were treated by Arab muslims.Americans or jews that visit Arab countries or work there are given privileges and avantages that people of the home land do not have.I have seen that travelers in touch with people in the place they visit, and they are given the chance to meet people from other cultures to increase intercultural understanding and strengthen the peace on our planet.
    it's not uncommon to get invited to dinner upon meeting and chatting with a an arab muslim for ten minutes. Many nonmuslims while visitting muslim countires met people on trains, in restaurants, and even in the street who have given us their phone numbers and insisted that we visit them for dinner.
    i swear this is the truth

  • Don

    It's hard to meet Kuwaitis, you know that. They don't work, sucking off the government nipple all their lives, diwaniyas amongst themselves, sheltered in their huge mansions, and when you do meet them they are the most racist people I've ever come across – only Arabs (Saudis, Qataris, Emerites, Bahrainis, et al) are worth salt. Egyptians, Palestinians, Jordanians, Pakistanis, and other Muslims are crap in the eyes of Kuwaitis and other Arabs. You know this if you know Kuwaitis and Arabs. I found the same in SA and UAE.

    The nicest people I met in Kuwait and the UAE were the people who actually work in those countries: Filippinas, Sri Lankans, Lebanese, Egyptians, Indonesians, etc. Because of my job I was invited to some diwaniyas and met some families. Yea, they were nice to me but only because of what I could do for them. (They treated other nonArabs like shit.) I watched ten year old kids and younger order their Indonesian and Sri Lankan maids around like dogs and get away with it. I saw a teenaged boy who couldn't tie his own frickin shoe because his maid had been doing it for him all his life. He asked me to tie it for him and I told him to Google “Instructions for tying a shoe” and do it himself. Kid probably couldn't wipe his own ass either. And yet they think they are better than you because they are rich…even though they never worked a single hour in their life and can barely fricking read and write.

    Kuwaitis and other rich Arabs are really worthless people; do nothing, contribute nothing, just satisfy their own selfish desires, and look down upon everyone else. They go offer poor Filippina reetail clerks and waitress hundreds, even thousands of dollars for a night of sex – and the girls will takee it becuse they're poor. They'll cut in front of you in a line at the market, and when you tap them on the shoulder and tell them they are behind you they have a shit fit, tell you “I'm a Kuwaiti” and expect you to be impressed. But if you laugh at them and tell them you work for a living and your time is valuable so get the fuck back, they'll call the police (Egyptians, Lebanese, Palestinians) and order them to write you up and the police will do it. A pathetic country; a pathetic people, a pathetic, worthless culture. Beautiful women though, and they love American and Western men because we're straight up with them, treat them like a woman should be treated, and show them respect, unlike Arab men who treat them like property and like they are 2nd class. And we don't think any less of them for having sex with us. In short, they can have fun and be women with us. They love it.

  • Don

    Abdullah, you're either delusional or a bullshitter deluxe. Where in the heart of Islam, Saudi Arabia, can a Christian or Jew invite an Arab into a church or synagogue? When Christians so much as sing a hymm in Lahore or Multan or Karachi, Pakistan, where they are not allowed to put the cross up on the mud structures they worhip in, Muslims, if they hear the hymms, attack them and destroy their churches. Tell the Copts in Cairo how far inviting Muslims to get to know them has gotten them. Even in Malaysia churches and and Hindu temples are attacked and burnt down, and of course no charges are brought when Christians and Hindus try to file a complaint. Tell the Buddhists in southern Thailand – the family members of those who've been cut down and killed by Islamists – how welcoming Muslims into their temples have worked out. How about the Catholics in the central islands of the Philippines? Hasn't worked so well for those poor folks either when in the midst of Muslims. In the northern caucuses od Russia the other day a priest was killed for preaching Christianity in a Muslim stronghold. I could go on.

    Abdullah, for all your words, they are worthless. You're wasting your time. You should be on Islamic websites trying to convince your brothers and sisters.

  • abdullah

    can we put blame on customs and tradition rather than religion.These customs are rules made by the patriachal society to dictate the role pof the patriachal society.If u read the bell jar by sylvia plath she rebels against customs and double gender in sexuality . I trust what u say but still there are good well mannered kuwaiti and persons in this planet.
    If some immoral people take advantage of poor women or illtreat others with arrogance and superiority.Can we charge religion bearing in mind that .God enjoins only good and forbids evil.

  • Don

    No, religion can never be separated with Arabs nor most Muslims since, as any Muslims will brag to you, “Islam is a way of life.”

    The New Testament addresses “sloth” and “idolness” as sins and commands Christians “Whatever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might.” That's why you don't see a lazy, entitled, spoiled people/culture in Christian majority countries; it is considered shameful. Work and producing and contributing and making your life worthwhile is engrained in us through our Christian traditions. Take a look: How many poor, non-productive Christian majority nations do you see? The Jews are a very productive and industrious people too, no matter how wealthy they may have been born. They do, produce, contribute, give themselves to society. In Islam, from my very astute observations, it is apparently shameful to work if you have the money to lay around and waste your life watching cartoons all day in your mansion, playing in your indoor pool, or occaisionally throwing $500-1000 down on the table for the hot Filippina waitress to go with you to an apartment you keep (hidden from your wife or family) for such occasions. Are these bad Muslims not obeying their Qur'an in the heart of Islamic culture? Then why so many? An entire people – the Arabs. Why before 1920 were the greatest of them, royalty like the Al-Sabahs and the Sauds, living in tents as nomads and their nations not producing a thing except a few dates from trees?

    And let's face it: That oil throughout the ME wasn't found by Arabs and has never been extracted by Arabs. Arabs don't do jack shit but collect most of the money off the backs of the workers and engineers – Americans and Brits mostly, with some Canadians, French, and Germans sprinkled in here and there. America built Saudi Arabia, which was a desrt hell hole before our geologists found oil there and the US was contracted to build the infrastructure of SA with proceeds from the oil ARAMCO brought up. The Brits built Kuwait and the UAE. It took Westerners to modernize the infrastructure there, but we could not modernize the attitudes and mentality of the people who liv there.

  • abdullah

    In the fields of medicine, Mathematics, Chemistry, Geography and Astronomy the influences of the Islamic culture were also outstanding. The awakening in the field of learning in Europe was the result of that instruction that the Europeans had received from Muslim`Ulama (Scholars), philosophers and their students in Isabella, Cordoba and Granada.

    Students from the West, when coming to the Islamic centers of education, were amazed to find that the doors of these fields of science and arts were open to every person without discrimination. Every one could benefit from these sciences and arts when devoting themselves to them with great enthusiasm in a free atmosphere, especially because their countries had no parallels at that time.

    At that time, the Muslim scholars “`Ulama” were dealing, in their lectures and researches, with the scientific facts, like the revolution of the earth, its spherical shape and the movements of the celestialbodies, the minds of the Europeans were filled with lots of nonsensical ideas about these facts.

    Thus came a wide movement of translating the Arabic texts and `Ulama's writings into Latin and were being taught in the European educational institutions. Many European writers confessed that during the Middle Ages Muslims have been the teachers and instructors of Europe for at least six centuries.

    Brilliant Examples

    The Canon of Medicine “Al-Qanun Fi At-Tibb”, a great book of Medicine by Ibn Sina, was translated in the twelfth century. Razi's The Comprehensive Book on Medicine (Al-Hawi Fi Al-Tibb)which is much more voluminous than Avicenna's (Ibn Sina)Al-Qanun,was translated at the end of the thirteenth century. Up to the sixteenth century, Europe depended on the Arab sources for their teaching and practice of Medicine.

    The learned author, Gustav Lebon says:

    For five to six hundred years general books in the Arabic language have been almost the only source of learning and teaching in the European universities. We can safely assert that in certain fields, like Medicine, the influences of the Arabs are still at work in Europe. The Medical writings of Ibn Sina have been explained about the end of the last century in Monabiliah.

    The same author says further:

    Roger Bacon, Leonard, Erno Al Felquni, Raymond Lot, San Thoma, Albert and Azfonish X Qashqani have depended on Arabic books.

    Monsieur Renan says:

    Albert, the Great, is indebted to Ibn Sina and San Thoma owes it all to Ibn Rushd.

    The famous Orientalist Sidea suggests:

    During the middle ages, the Arabs alone were the standard-bearers of civilization. When the Arabs gained expertise in Astronomy, they paid special attention to Mathematical sciences and got a high degree of excellence and they were really our teachers in this field.

    He further adds:

    When we take stock of all that got transferred from Arabic to Latin, we find that a great doorway was made in the name of Gervert Salifster II, through which, during the period 970–980 A.D., all that he had acquired in Andalusia was conveyed to Europe.

    Moreover, the learned English author O'Hallard toured Andalusia and Egypt, for some time between 1100 and 1200 A.D. and translated from Arabic “Al-Arkan” (Corners), by Euclid, which had been unknown to the West so far. Another learned person Plato Taiguli, translated Al-Akrar by Theodosius, from its Arabic version. Rudolf Brugie translated from Arabic Ptolemy's book on Geography of the inhabited Earth. Leonard Baige, wrote out about 1200 A.D., a treatise on Algebra which he had picked up from his Arab teachers.

    In addition, Fastaloon of Bologne drawing upon Al-Hasan ibn Al-Haitham's book “Al-Basariyat” propagated the astronomical science in the West. In 1250 A.D., Aznofish Qashqani ordered the publication of astronomical almanac which took its name from him.

    During this period, on the one hand, Roger I ordered the study of Arabic sciences and manners. The sons of Ibn Rushd were always with him at the court and taught him the natural history of the plants and animals. Homeld writes in his book on Science:

    It was the Arabs who, for the first time, invented the method of the chemical preparation of medicines, and from this source we acquired the experimentation procedures which were taken up by the School of Saliram and spread in Southern Europe.

    Then the medicinal and natural elements on which medication entirely depends have become the cause of the study of plants chemistry. In this way both studies went on simultaneously in two different ways. The door was opened by the Arabs to a new era of the study of this science. Suffice it as a proof of the vast Arab knowledge of the plant kingdom that they made addition of two thousand herbs to those of Zulefuredas. There were many herbs in their pharmacy that the Greeks had not even dreamt of.

    Sideo says about Razi and Ibn Sina that both have pervaded the educational institutions throughout Europe for a very long time. So, Ibn Sina was introduced to Europe as a physician. For a full six hundred years his works held sway over the educational institutions of Europe. His book Al-Qanun, mentioned above, was translated in five volumes and had been reprinted, since the instruction in the universities of France and Italy totally depended on it.

    Sources:

    Excerpted and abridged from his book “Some Glittering Aspects of the Islamic Civilization”
    he western people, particularly, the Spanish poets have been very much impressed by the Arabic literature. Horsemanship, chivalry, metaphor and fine unique topics have found their way to the western literature through the Arabic literature of Andalusia.

    The famous Spanish writer Abanese writes,

    “Before the invasion of the Arabs to Spain and the spread of their stables, horses and horsemen throughout Southern Europe, horsemanship and chivalry were unknown in Europe. In the book written by Dousie on the topic of Islam he has quoted a letter of Algharu, a Spanish writer, who lamented very much the indifference of the Europeans concerning Latin and attaching the Arabic language, which shows that the western men of letters, in those days, were very much impressed and given to the Arabic learning and literature.” He says:

    “The intelligent persons and men of tastes have been bewitched by the Arabic Lyrics. So they looked down upon Latin leaving aside other languages in the official communication. A contemporary surging with patriotic zeal has regretfully stated that his Christian brethren have been fascinated by the Arabic lyrical poetry and tales, and have studied the books written by Muslim philosophers and legists. They have not studied them to prove them wrong or to refute them but to pick up eloquent Arabic style.

    Who else saves the clergy, and studies the commentaries on Torah and (the old and the new testaments)? Who is there to recite the gospels and the books of the prophets and their apostles? Alas! the younger generation with the new trends of thinking does not look approvingly at any except the Arabic language and literature. They derive light of guidance from the books written by the Arabs, establish libraries comprising these books and sing praises of the Arabic treasures of learning and literature everywhere.

    When they hear of the Christian literature, they scowl and argue that it is not worth their time and attention. Alas! the Christians have forgotten their own language. You will not be able to find one out of thousand who writes letters to his friends in his own tongue. But whenever Arabic is concerned, there are many who express themselves in its best style and write poetry in it which may excel even that written by Arabs with accuracy of idiom and eloquence.”

    During the fourteenth century and later there hwere many renowned men of letters whose literary writings and style bear the lasting impress of the Arabic literature.

    In 1349 A.D., Boccaccio (1313-75 -Italian novelist, poet and humanist, Author of Decameron), has written stories under the Caption “Ten Morns” (Decameron), in which the he has imitated the style of the worldwide renowned stories, The Arabian Nights.

    Shakespeare had derived the theme of one of his plays from this source. And the German playwright Lissing has borrowed the plot of his drama “Natan, the Physician” from the same source.

    Chaucer (1340-1400), the father of modern English poetry had drawn upon Boccaccio most. They had met in Italy, and after that he wrote his “Canterbury Tales.”

    Similarly, there has been the famous poem of Dante (1265-1321), “Divina Comedia” in which he had recounted the tales of his journey to the other world. It has been said that Dante, at the time of writing this poem, had deep impressions of treatise “Gufran” by Abul-` Ala' Al-Ma`arri and all what Ibn `Arabi has written about the Paradise.

    The reason to be sought is the fact that he had lived in Sicily during the rule of Emperor Frederick II. This monarch, who was fond of cultural pursuit and pastimes, studied the cultural literature in the Arabic language. He used to have discussions with him (Dante) on Aristotelian theories. Their sources of information were the Arabic books. Dante was acquainted with the life of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) and the details of the Ascent of the Prophet and the accounts of the heavens furnished by the holy traditions.

    The period of the life of Peter of York corresponds to the period when the Arabian culture held sway over France and Italy. He had been educated at the universities of Monabliyah and Paris. Both these universities had been founded by learned men who had received instruction and training at the Andalusian universities, and the books compiled by the Arab authors were taught there.

    The stories rife among the Arabs during the middle ages had a deep impact on Europe during the renaissance. These included stories of chivalry, horsemanship and other feats of strength and valor that the renowned Arabs had performed for the sake of love and magnificence. Accordingly, the translation of “The Arabiabn Nights” reveals that the Europeans have made it the centre of their attention and have been very much impressed by it.

    Here it goes without saying that in various European languages, many Arabic words relating to the necessities of life, are used in almost their original form. For example: Cotton, Musgas, Musk, Lemon, Zero are really Arabic words: Qutn, Harir, Mashqi, Limmun and Sifr. There are innumerable other words of that sort. Without going into details in this connection it would be enough to quote Mr. Michael's following words:

    “Europe, for its finest literature, is indebted to the Arab countries. Similarly, the spiritual and ideological revolution during the Middle Ages had certain forces at work at its back, and the Arab nation had a great deal to do in putting them into action.”

    Legislation

    The European students, who were being educated in the educational institutions of Andalusia, had translated the Muslim literature on Fiqh and enforcement of Shari'ah. Europe at this time had no firm political system, nor were there any laws based on equity and justice in force. When Napoleon conquered Egypt, the well-known compendiums of Fiqh of the Malikite School were translated into French. To begin with “Kitab El-Khalil” was translated which served as the seed (basis) for the French Law. So we find that the French Law of that period was to a great extent, resembling the Fiqh of the Malikite School. Sideo says,

    “Our searching gaze rests on the Malikite Law, since we have had contacts with Africa, and France had ordered its competent learned men to translate into French the short compendium on Fiqh complied by Ishaq ibn Ya`qub (D. 1422 A.D)”.

    State-Craft and Dominion

    In ancient times and even during the Middle Ages, the right of common people to call their rulers to account was not recognized. The relationship of the ruler and the subjects was that of the master and the slaves. The ruler was a despot and treated the people as he wished.

    The dominion was regarded as inheritance which got transferred along with other sequences of the passing monarch. So if a princess inherited the throne and got married to another ruler in an alien kingdom, the two countries got involved in a war for their shares of the land of the princess.

    Similarly, when two kingdoms were engaged in a war, the conqueror not only came in possession of the conquered land but also the lives, property, honor, dignity and freedom of the vanquished people became submissive to them. These conditions lasted for a long time until the era of the Islamic civilization dawned and became dominant. Along with other principles propagated by it, it also declared that the people have the right to criticize and call to account their rulers, and the latter are only the trustees and employees whose duty it is to guard honestly the interests of the people.

    So it was for the first time in the history of the world that a subject publicly asked the ruler to account for the garment he was wearing at that moment, and the ruler neither condemned him to be hanged for that offence, imprisoned, nor exiled. On the contrary, the ruler explained his position and rendered an account of the cloth that went into his mantle, which satisfied the objector and the rest of the people.

    This has happened at the age of the Caliph`Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him). One day, when `Umar stood up for a harangue and had just uttered the words, “Listen to me and obey…” When a Bedouin Arab got up and said, “We shall neither listen to you nor obey until you have explained where you had gotten the extra cloth to make your cloak while what every other person, including you, received as his share of the booty, could not make a mantle for a man of your (giant) stature.”

    Instead of saying anything himself, Umar beckoned to his son Abdullah, who stood up and stated that he had given his own share of cloth from the booty to his father and the share of the father and the son together were enough to make the father's (Umar's) mantle.

    Hearing this explanation from Abdullah bin `Umar the Bedouin said to Umar, “Yes, now you may proceed with your harangue, we shall listen and obey”.

    It was the first time in the history of mankind that an individual from the common people addressed the ruler in such a way. The Islamic civilization declared this principle and practically demonstrated its application and enforcement.

    It was the principle of freedom of thought and conscience which was infused into all nations that existed around the Islamic society. All these nations took turn, and became dynamic, prepared themselves for a revolution, and at last -breaking their chains- became free.

    Throughout Europe this process was repeated. During the crusades the Europeans entered Syria. Before this, they had witnessed these phenomena in the caliphate of Andalusia that the people kept a strict watch over their rulers who were responsible for their own people and not for any one else.

    The European rulers observed that the Muslims and their rulers, instead of being subservient to any particular individual or class were always accountable to the entire nation. Unlike this, they themselves were dominated by the Roman Emperor and unless they recognized the religious dominion of Rome, they have to face failure and disappointment.

    So when these rulers returned to their own lands they rebelled against the Roman authority and finally became free of vassalage. The next step was that the peoples of these lands rose in revolt against their monarchs and, breaking the shackles, became free. The French Revolution came much later and declared no such principles that had been declared by the Islamic civilization twelve hundred years earlier
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  • U

    Don and dear reader pls do u agree with me
    U remind me of Bronte work Jane Eyre,In her novel the protagonist Jane is depicted
    and presented as the educator, civilicised woman while the other is savage , mad and inferior.
    Therefore, our topic should focus on Cultural discourse not on islam.Because all religion forbids violance, laziness and indencency.

    Eurocentrism is very old indeed. Already in the fifth century B.C.E. the Greek historian Herodotus mentions “barbaric” Asian hordes who, despite splendid architecture, lack European individuality.

    There are certain beliefs, valid or otherwise, that have led Eurocentric thinkers toward ignoring, undervaluing, or condemning non-European societies. There is a wide range of these, some applying more broadly in chronological terms than others. They include the following:

    * Non-European societies tend to be despotic and servile, as against the West's freedom and individualism.
    * Non-European societies are Islamic, or pagan, or believe in strange religions, which are inferior to Christianity, or lack its truth.
    * Non-European societies are cruel and lack concern for human life. They practice barbaric customs toward women, such as female genital mutilation (north Africa), widow-burning (sati, India) or foot-binding (China).
    * Non-European societies are inflexible and unchanging. Some European thinkers have attributed this lack of change to topography or climate, for instance extreme dependence on a major river, such as the Nile or the Yellow River, or extreme heat or dryness.
    * Non-European societies are poor, backward, and underdeveloped, as opposed to the industrialized, progressive, and rich West.
    * Non-European societies lack rational modes of thinking and scientific approach

  • Don

    Abdulla, you are way too long winded. You've lost everyone but me – nobody else is reesponding at this point – and I don't even read all your crap; it's copied, pasted, and somebody elses writings. I've read all that crap before.

    I'm currently in Peru and went into the Amazon via Bolivia a few months back and roughed it for a few weeks. Land nav, survival, sleep deprivation, bug-bitten raw, et al. We came across indiginous people in there, cut off from civiliation. They too can claim acheivements, and are able to do some pretty amazing things considering their circumstances and living conditions. One of their jungle medicines healed our open sores (from the scratching of bug bites) that had become a medical concern for infections. But they are primative, backward, and so far behind civilization it's not funny. The men mostly lay around while the women work/collect and fish and weave. The women are submissive to these lazy, lathargic do-nothings even though they contribute and give more of themselves to their community. Kinda reminded me of another place I'd spent some time.

    In an ocean of acheivements by mankind over the last thousand years, Islam/Arabs have contributed a single drop of water – barely enough to be measureable. Much of what you pasted was off the backs of the peoples Islam had conquered through jihad.

  • abdullah

    Don and dear reader pls do u agree with me.
    U remind me of Bronte work Jane Eyre,In her novel the protagonist Jane is depicted
    and presented as the educator, civilicised woman while the other is savage , mad and inferior.
    Therefore, our topic should focus on Cultural discourse not on islam.Because all religion forbids violance, laziness and indencency.No scholar of the three religion allows terrorism or killing innocents.

    Eurocentrism is very old indeed. Already in the fifth century B.C.E. the Greek historian Herodotus mentions “barbaric” Asian hordes who, despite splendid architecture, lack European individuality.

    There are certain beliefs, valid or otherwise, that have led Eurocentric thinkers toward ignoring, undervaluing, or condemning non-European societies. There is a wide range of these, some applying more broadly in chronological terms than others. They include the following:

    * Non-European societies tend to be despotic and servile, as against the West's freedom and individualism.
    * Non-European societies are Islamic, or pagan, or believe in strange religions, which are inferior to Christianity, or lack its truth.
    * Non-European societies are cruel and lack concern for human life. They practice barbaric customs toward women, such as female genital mutilation (north Africa), widow-burning (sati, India) or foot-binding (China).
    * Non-European societies are inflexible and unchanging. Some European thinkers have attributed this lack of change to topography or climate, for instance extreme dependence on a major river, such as the Nile or the Yellow River, or extreme heat or dryness.
    * Non-European societies are poor, backward, and underdeveloped, as opposed to the industrialized, progressive, and rich West.
    * Non-European societies lack rational modes of thinking and scientific approach

  • Don

    All religions forbid violence? Really?

    “Strike off their heads because they have defied Allah and His messenger.” Sura 8:12

    “Make war on the infidel until Allah's religion reigns supreme.” Sura 2:193

    “Seize them and put them to death wherever you find them (the infidel).” Sura 4:89

    “During the sacred month (what is now Ramadan) slay the idolators wherever you find them; lie in ambush everywhere for them. But if they repent (convert), allow them to go their way.” Sura 9:3

    “Cast terror into the hearts of the unbelievers.” Sura 3:151

    “Let the unbelievers find in you hardness.” Sura 9:123

    “Be ruthless with the infidel, but merciful amongst yourselves.” Q 48:29

    There are dozens of fatwas around the world for the heads of those who have insulted Islam: Salmon Rushdie, Wafa Sultan, the Dutch cartoonists, Geert Wilders, and many others. Why? All over the Islamic world Christians and Buddhists and Jews are being slaughtered by Muslims. Christians in Iraq are having their churches blown up and driven under ground in hiding. Christians in Pakistan are being burned to death for fun by gangs of Muslims. Muslim girls in America and Canada are being killed for honor by their fundamentalist fathers and brothers who refuse to assimilate into American culture. Those considered apostates in Somolias and throughout Nigeria and other Africvan nations are being stoned to death or having their heads sawed off. And virtually every single terrorists attack is done by a Muslim – not Christians, not Buddhists, not Hindis, not anyone else. Muslims.

    Shall I go on, Abdullah? I can for about 190 more verses in your “holy” book similar to those above. Now you go and find even a single one in the New Testament, or any words from the mouth of the Savior Jesus Christ, that can be construed by Christians to perpetrate violence. The difference between your prophet and my Savior is the difference between night and day; the Arctic and the rain forests – more likely, Hell and Heaven.

    Quit making excuses. It's getting old and proving you are in denial about the violence and hatred and bigotry and the call for jihad in Islam.

  • abdullah

    to make judjement about islam
    fatwa should be taken from reliable scholars.No one is eligible to issue a decision but a scholar who enjoy a lot of conditions and qualification

    One should Understand The Quran and the circumstances of revelations
    verses should not be quotted out of context.
    a judge should not speak from the center.
    a judge should be unbias.

    For example in the bible
    Deutronomy 7:1-2
    Luke:19:26-27
    numbers:31:17-18
    Mathew:10:34-35
    These verses that speak about violance should be explained by a specialist in this field not any one is entitled to do so.

  • Don

    Abdullah, do you know the difference between the Old Testament and the New? Deuteronomy was written about 1000 years before Christ and Numbers not long after that. Christians follow the New Testament.

    Matthew 10:34 is spoken metaphorically according to the scholars who comment in my King James version. Jesus did a lot of that: parables was his style and method of speaking metaphorically to drive points home more vividly.

    Luke 19:26 is spoken to others as to the seriousness of their transgressions and rejection of the Father, that they may as well be already dead. Another metaphorically spoken phrase.

    Mohammed did not speak in parables or metaphorically, but literally, according to Islamic scholars and and virtually all Muslims.

    Okay, I'm done with you Abdullah. I'm wasting your time and you're wasting mine. I think you are in serious denial, or else trying to use tiqayya(sp) – the permission Allah and His false prophet give Muslims to lie and deceive unbelievers. You have not convinced me an iota that Islam is a religion of peace. Its history, past and current, and the Qur'an itself, the edicts and fatwas, the jihad that has been going on somewhere in the world for 1400 years, the tens of millions dead and slaughtered in the name of Islam, the treatment of women and homosexuals and apostates and infidels and anyone deemed not Islamic enough or simply an unbeliever, the hatred and bigotry of Christians and Jews and polytheists, the life and behavior/actions of your false prophet himself…well, it all speaks for itself. Have a nice life. Out.

  • abdullah

    Din u said
    Abdullah, do you know the difference between the Old Testament and the New? Deuteronomy was written about 1000 years before Christ and Numbers not long after that. Christians follow the New Testament.
    Matthew 10:34 is spoken metaphorically according to the scholars who comment in my King James version. Jesus did a lot of that: parables was his style and method of speaking metaphorically to drive points home more vividly.
    The same thing i am saying it to you that reliable scholars are the ones who are able to interpret the Quran texts and sunnah.Scholars know the circumstances of revelations ,moreover,they distinguish between the fabricated texts of the prophet saying and the true ones.Scholars also have the Knowledge of al-nasikh wa al-mansukh (abrogated and abgrogating ) is important because it concerns the correct and exact application of the laws of Allah. It is specifically concerned with legal revelations:

    It is one of the important pre-conditions for explanation (tafsir) of the Qur'an.

    It is one of the important pre-conditions for understanding and application of the Islamic law (hukm, shari'a).

    It sheds light on the historical development of the Islamic legal code.

    It helps to understand the immediate meaning of the ayat or verse concerned.

    There is of course a difference between abrogation and specification. By the latter is meant that one revelation explains in more detail or according to specific circumstances how another revelation should be understood.

    Example:

    Sura 2:183 says 'O you who believe, fasting is prescribed to you …'

    Narrated 'Ata' that he heard Ibn 'Abbas reciting the Divine verse 'for those who can do it is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent' (2:184).
    Ibn 'Abbas said 'This verse is not abrogated but it is meant for old men and old women who have no strength to fast, so they should feed one poor person for each day of fasting (instead of fasting). [Bukhari, VI, No. 32.]

    It is quite clear that the second verse (2:184) does not abrogate the rule of fasting from the first verse (2:183) but explains that in a specific case, that of feeble old people, there is a way of making up for the loss of fast.

    In the same way the verses concerning intoxicating drinks can be understood as specifications rather than abrogations (see 4:43;2:219;5:93-4).

    Dear non muslim
    To make your judgement about islam as i said should be based on reliable scholars and their consesus.Moreover, Quranic texts should not be quotted out of context not we should ignore the circumstances of revelation.Moreover, a judge should not speak in the center and without having prejudices about the others.We should also put blame on conventions or rules made by society that dictate the role of both sexes.Women are not sexual objects but they are humanbeing that should be treated with respect.Moreover, how come these American intellectual and European women still marry muslim men and how come they still have good family ties of they are terrorists .Are new convert in USA and Europe uncivilised or terrorists.
    Terrorrists in only in u dictionary .The majority of muslims are peaceful.Their aim is to educate their children and raise them properly others invest their energies to be successful in their professional lives.Others are distracted by watching soccer.Others study and spend much of their time in learning.Others are busy dating.Young muslims like fashion , music and american films and actors .can these people be terrorists.Many buy American products such as jeans , T shirts , novels and so on.U should distinguish between the common folk and the few groups who represent themselves and not muslims..What educational level do these deviants have.Have they ever learnt from reliable scholars or listened to them. i challenge you if muslims including leaders, decision makes, scholars and us as citicizen support them and like what they do.Killing innocents is unacceptable .Therefore, they should be punished for their crime against islam , all religions and humanity.
    Peace