A Spy Scandal About Nothing

The complaints leveled against Israel by European countries and Australia, regarding the alleged misuse of passports by the Mossad in the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, ring hollow and smack of blatant hypocrisy.  Whoever did kill Mahmoud al-Mabhouh—whether it was the Israeli Mossad or someone else—clearly did have their agents use stolen or forged passports.  Big deal.

Every good intelligence agency uses stolen and forged passports.  The British have been especially adept at this means of spycraft.  No country that uses fake passports in their intelligence operations has the moral authority to complain about the alleged misuse of passports in this case.  The only ones that have a legitimate grievance are those individuals whose passports may have been misused without their knowledge.

I guess it’s the job of foreign ministries to complain publicly when other nations do what they themselves do secretly.  Hypocrisy is, after all, the homage that vice pays to virtue.  I’m reminded of the famous scene in Casablanca, when officer Renault declares, “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!” A croupier then approaches Renault, and hands him a roll of currency: “Your winnings, sir.”

The hypocrisy in this case seems even more blatant than usual.  Is it because Israel is the alleged offender, and the world has gotten accustomed to singling out Israel for double standard condemnation?

Shortly after the terrorist attacks in Bali, which killed a large number of Australian tourists, I had the opportunity to meet with the Australian Prime Minister.  I was writing a book at the time on preemption, and I asked him whether he would have authorized a preemptive attack on the terrorist who killed Australian citizens, if such an attack would have saved their lives.  His response was that Australia would have done anything it could, to prevent these terrorist attacks.  Anything, I guess, except misusing passports!  Is there anybody who believes that Australia would not have used forged or stolen passports to prevent the Bali massacres?  If Great Britain could have stopped the London subway attack by misusing passports, would M6 have allowed the terrorism to go forward in the name of preserving passport integrity?  Of course not.  The same is true of Spain with regard to the Madrid bombing and to every other country in the world that seeks to prevent terrorism.  Well, if the Mossad did in fact kill al-Mabhouh, they too did it to prevent the killing of their innocent civilians.

The Israelis are always accused by their enemies, and sometimes even by their friends, of taking “disproportionate” action to stop terrorists.  But what could be more proportionate than a carefully planned and specifically targeted attack on an admitted terrorist who boasted of being an active combatant?  Whoops! I guess I forgot about those darn passports. That must be the disproportionate action complained about.  Saving innocent lives, on the one hand—misusing passports on the other.  I guess the right moral resolution, according to some foreign ministries, is to let innocent victims die—at least as long as its only Israeli victims.

It’s interesting, and disturbing, that more criticism is being directed against Israel for allegedly using stolen passports than for allegedly killing a terrorist.  That’s because no western country wants to appear to be sympathetic to a terrorist.  The “victims” of passport fraud are innocent civilians, but the injury they have suffered pales in comparison to the injuries—deaths—prevented by the well-deserved death of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh.

If the deaths of a small number of innocent civilians is deemed “proportional” to the killing of a terrorist combatant, than surely the discomfort of a small number of innocent victims of passport fraud is proportional.

The high dudgeon expressed by foreign ministries over stolen passports is worse than hypocritical.  It undercuts the war against terrorism.

There ought to be concern, among western democracies, about how easy it is to use forged or stolen passports.  Dubai should be conducting an investigation, but the focus should be on how simple it was for those carrying these phony passports to get into their country.  The misuse of passports is, after all, a primary tool used by terrorists to smuggle themselves into western countries, from which they can engage in worldwide terrorism.  There are thousands of forged and fraudulent British passports circulating around the world today.  Many are in the hands of terrorists.  That should be the focus of any investigation, not the occasional and controlled misuse of passports by western intelligence agencies to combat terrorism.

Whoever snuck into Dubai using fake passports may have done that country a service in warning them to tighten up their passport procedures.  Next time it may be a terrorist who tries to enter the country.  Wait!  Isn’t that exactly what happened when al-Mabhouh walked through security using a real passport with his real name?  I guess in Dubai you don’t have to use a fake passport if you’re a terrorist, but you do if you’re trying to stop terrorists—at least if the terrorism is directed only against Israel.  I guess Dubai is less concerned about letting terrorists into their country with real passports than in letting those who would stop terrorism into their country with fake passports.  It’s a topsy-turvy world out there.

  • http://www.appds.co.uk APPDS

    Whatever the case may be the Mossad has no right to kill outside of their jurisdiction. Which is what this is all about. So I suggest you get your head out of the sand and take a long look at Gaza and the land stolen by the Jews there. Sometimes violence is the only way to stop the oppressor !

    • Mickey

      APPD, the Jews (Israelis) left Gaza completely in 2005. No Jews there , no land stolen. Hamas bombed them anyway. When peoples are at war, killing the enemy can be done anywhere. This technique was used by the Palestinians throughout the world with the aircraft hijackings, suicide bombings in Israel, out of their (the Palestinians) jurisdiction. So don’t be too cute

      • jojo

        Baloney Baloney more Kosher nonsense :^/
        If }sreal left Gaza–why did they kept bombing and killing non-stop–U foolish littleboy?

        • davarino

          What? They kept bombing and killing non-stop? I think they just like killing people. If there werent palestinians they would kill anybody, right?

          So let me get this right. You are saying that Isreal had no provocation what soever to do anything in gaza? They leave gaza and then decide to just bomb and kill in gaza for no reason at all, right? Talk about a foolish little boy, your an idiot. Your what Rush calls "a skull full of mush", you cant think for your self.

      • ADDPS

        Well Mickey (mouse) The IRA did it as well in war all is fair BUT that is not the point here the discussion started as " Was it legal to allow foreign intelligence services to murder" in a forgein country and using stolen ID's that was my question ?

    • Tom W.

      That's why the Arabs rely on perfect useful idiots such as yourself who don't know anything but just repeat the Arab lies! The Arabs lie about every city in Israel being occupied by Jews, such as Tel Aviv! But the truth is that Jaffa was a run down Arab city that forbid Jews living there so the Jews started a small town called Tel Aviv out of sand dunes and now look how prosperous that city is, from sand dunes! The truth is that the Arabs 100 years ago were poor, had no functioning cities and a few very unproductive farms! It's was part of the Ottoman Empire and this area was considered backwards and poor. It was only on an account of the Jews that everything changed! The Arabs lie saying Jews stole their land, that's false–Jews purchased land and Arabs flooded in to work! Look at Gaza now! The Jews have left and yet the Arabs still blame the Jews for their situation! The few thousands of Jews in Gaza before they were forced out, employed guess who? Arabs! The Jews are just convenient scapegoats for the Arabs fighting each other for power and domination! I suggest you visit Hamas run Gaza and then tell me whose to blame!

      • Dave

        Make up your mind would you.. Was the land swampy or desert???

        • Democracy First

          Both, actually. But mainly desert.

        • Tom W.

          As Democracy First said, both swamp and desert! See this basic fact proves you know diddly squat about the region! You just swallow Arab propaganda, their were very few towns and most prohibited Jews from living there so they created their own towns such as Tel Aviv where only sand dunes were located! The Arabs thought the Jews were stupid but look whose laughing now and in terms of agricultural land any fertile land was unused by Arabs and they ruined precious topsoil, that's why Arabs went the way of growing oil trees. Again Jews couldn't by the few areas of fertile land so they Arabs sold the Jews swamp land! But of course you wouldn't know anything about this!

          • Tom W.

            Type-0's, from my last post, sorry–the second last sentence should say: Again Jews couldn't buy the few areas of fertile land so the Arabs sold the Jews swamp land!

          • trickyblain

            If we are getting into stylism, you also REALLY overuse exclamation points. The point is to call the reader's attention to a particular phrase. When used after every sentence, it makes the writer appear to be a raving psychopath.

      • APPDS

        You are obviously Jewish and believe your own propaganda open your eyes to the other side of the story and you may, perhaps learn to live alongside people that were there before you were.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

        Who is to blame for Gaza and the internationally unacceptable situation there… The Jews of course. Its a shame I cannot load photos here other wise I would and could supply you with proof that the IDF have blatantly used human shields, buried people alive and cold blooded murdered them so take a look at your country and shame on you and the inhuman acts caused by the IDF & Mossad…….

        • Democracy First

          Only someone wanting Israel dead and wishes it were never born would be amenable to such Arab lies. And then the next round of lies to rationalize the first round. Followed by another and another.

          The story is simple: Arabs refused to allow a Jewish state and deeply resent its success at defending itself against their driven desire and efforts to destroy it. Then do the classic turn of pretending to be the victim when you're the aggressor.

          Which, perhaps, is an Islamic cultural trait. That civilization presents itself as global victim. Yet, every peole, every nation that has come in contact with islamic civilization reviles its aggression and imperialism. All can only listen in astonishment as their defense against Jihad is considered aggression. Gee, sounds like Israel's not the only one to experience this.

    • aspacia

      80% of the Israel proper was purchased, not stolen. Arabs have been illegally attacking Zionist Jews on property Jews purchased since the early 1900's. Why don't you pull your head out of your A$$.

      What about the Islamic oppressor who massacre, tax, and humiliate the infidels? Why no mention of the butchery Muslims commit?

      What a freaking hypocrite.

      • APPDS

        The hypocrite here is you and the fact that you seem to find it OK for a Terrorist organisation to enter a foreign land on false passports and Murder a foreighn national !

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

        Prove that it was bought or better still go and look at maps from the UN resolution
        from1948 and then compare them to maps of today……..

        • Coas

          Go and read "The Israel-Arab Reader: A Documentary History of the Middle East Conflict" By Prof Walter Laqueur, it's all there.

          The land ownership in Israel was as follow: at 1946, 8.6% owned by Jews, 6.8% by Arabs and church. The remaining, 84.6%, was state land, owned by the Ottomans, later the British mandate and later the state of Israel.
          —Survey of Palestine, 1946 by British Mandate authorities

          The Arabs maps which they use for propaganda, shows that Arabs owned 28.6 percent. But the Arab total included Bedouin grazing land (8.4 percent) and waste land (13.4 percent), neither of which was legally ownable according to the prevailing Turkish and British land laws. In some Arab propaganda maps they even included the state land as Arab….

          But, don't let the facts disturb your hate…

        • Democracy First

          When you start a war and lose it, you can ill afford to complain that the map of what you had been offered has shrunken.

          After the 67 war Israel immediately offered to negotiate the return of land won. The Arab response? The infamous 3 no's.

          Time and again Israel has demonstrated its desire to trade land for peace. Hence, why Gaza was returned in 56 and again in 03 (?). Hence why the return of nearly all of the west Bank has been on the table since Oslo.

          If the Arabs want a map of a bigger region, all they have to do is accept yes for an answer to a Palestinian state. But since the goal is ISrael's destruction, as it has been always, they'll continue to decline the offer.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/A_READER_ A_READER_

      Ahh, poor baby!!
      Tit for tat too much reality for 'ya?

      Go back to watching your overtaxed brainwashing BBC on the idiot box….

      I for one, am so glad they deleted this little piece of cancer from our planet.
      More please!

      • APPDs

        perhaps someday they will also delete you in a foreign country whilst you are on holiday……….Stay safe

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      "Sometimes violence is the only way to stop the oppressor." — It looks like the Israelis took your advice, lol, good for them!

      • Aussie64

        I agree!

        But can I please remind Prof Dershowitz that the Prime Minister he interviewed was John Howard. NOT the current PM (Kevin Rudd) who complained and railed against Israel using Australian passports. Howard would not have made the intemperate and irrelevant remarks that Rudd made. He was a far better PM than Rudd in so many regards, including regarding preemptive matters

        • Democracy First

          How's Rudd doing in the polls? Is he dropping?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

          Ah PM Howard. Isn't he the one I have to thank for that magnificent show of bull-sized Aussie free swingers, when the chicoms said don't sail the Taiwan Strait, and the RAN sailed straight on through anyway? I remember reading a lot of speeches, comments, and actions by him I liked.

          Many don't realize Aussies and Americans have fighting by each others' sides' for over a hundred years.

      • Appds

        That's is the typical answer I would expect from shoot first ask questions after American

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

          Yipi-ki-yay dofo, I'm not your dhimmi or taqiyya fool.

    • Tom W.

      You're an idiot! You're a perfect example of someone that has no idea about the history of an area and I'm not talking about ancient biblical history, just the past 100 years! Jews who were being oppressed in Europe came to Ottoman controlled Palestine and set up collective farms (aka kibbutz). Until the Jews came most of Palestine was swamp areas, the Jews drained the swamps and made the land productive even in Gaza! Because their were so few Jews, Arabs from all across the Middle East came to Palestine to work. In the last 100 years approximately 95% of the Arabs came to Palestine from other countries to work for Jews! Palestine wasn't an Arab country, it just had a minority of productive Jews who employed a great number of Arabs!

      • MorrisMinor

        Well, not really, Palestine was always majority Arab region b4 1948. This idea that no one lived there until the Zionist returned is patently false. But beyond that, the Arabs were total losers who weren't, aren't going to tolerate any Jewish controlled state. So they tried to destroy Israel but lost.

        • Democracy First

          Yes, Arabs lived there. But very few permanently, because the swamps made it the disdained rump of the Ottoman Empire. Jews were considered stupid suckers for buying parcels. As Tom posted, it was Jewish irrigation and agriculture – and it was also modern western services like health care – that drew so many Arabs from Jordan and Egypt to set up real settlements.

          Similarly, Jerusalem was entirely neglected by Arabs, quickly becoming a majority Jewish city. Not until Israel was created did Arabs discover jeruslaem was of vital religious import to them after all.

        • Tom W.

          Part Two
          As a result of the success of the Hashemites the rest of the Arabs in the 20% of Palestine caused riots and killed Jews in order to force the British to prevent any more Jews from entering Palestine! The British gave into the Arabs waves of violence and not only suspend Jewish immigration but created a White Paper dissolving their word to give the Jews any part of the remainder of Palestine! That's why under British rule from after WW 1 until 1948 the Arabs population so much greater because Arab immigration was unlimited!

        • Tom W.

          Part Three
          That's the reason why Jewish underground military groups were formed, to kill the British soldiers who represented the government that sold out their birthright to the Arabs! Also The Jews realized that eventually nobody was going to give them a state, they were going to have to fight for it! When the British left in 1947, the handed over their problems to the newly created United Nations. The UN rather than tell the Arabs to go to Palestine (i.e. Jordan), gave into Arab pressure and partitioned the remainder of Palestine, giving the Jews only 10% of the original British Mandated land! The Jews said yes, the Arabs started a war to finish off the Jews and the rest is history (none which you knew)! You only know Arab propaganda!

        • Tom W.

          Part One
          Once again you are just repeating propaganda! Read history, Chaim Weizmann created a new way to produce acetone, a chief ingredient the British needed to make explosives in WW 1. The British rewarded his worked via the Balfour Declaration which gave the Jewish people the British Mandated territory of Palestine. The British betrayed the Jews and gave the Hashemites (who were kicked out of Arabia by the Saudis) 80% of Palestine (i.e. Jordan)!

      • APPDS

        I sir have a deep knowledge of the area and the matter and subject at hand is that the Mossad considers itself untouchable………Unfortunately Hitler never ever got to finish the job he started…………

        • xman

          It seems you've outed yourself as a vicious and toxic Jew-hating shitbag, and we can be rest assured that you must be sick inside at the thought that you were born too late to empty the cans of Zyklon into the showers – almost as sick as us at the thought that a monster like yourself was ever brought into this world.

          • APPDS

            Oh I do so love pissing people off. The fact of the matter is that all the problems in that part of the world center around the Jews and the Israeli state. If there were no Jews there would be no problems 1+1 = 2 simple

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

        That was not George Orwell >People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

    • Sgt. KoranFlusher

      @ APPDS I taken a long look, have you? I suggest that you go and join you terrorist buddies in Gaza, so we can kill two birds with one stone!

      • APPDS

        You sir are an idiot ! And idiots like you have only one place on earth and thats 6ft under

        • xman

          And terrorist-worshipping monsters have one place – filling Satan's furnaces in Hell, which is a fitting place for a Jew-hating slimeball like yourself.

          • APPDS

            Terrorist worshiper ? I never said that. I hate terror the same as the next man BUT when I see the photos that I have seen and the people that I have spoken to on both sides (Jews and Arabs) I come to realise that people like you are the real terrorist worshipers. Is it not a terrorist action to go into another country on forged passports and murder…….. I really think this one back fired on the Mossad and everyone involved in this despicable act of cowardice. Humans take war criminals to court where their guilt is proven beyond a doubt and then the court decides what happens, not the Mossad or any other agency has this right……..

          • Sgt. KoranFlusher

            And now you do the "I never said that" routine! It's plain to see what you "do". I don't come here to debate utter fools like you. The time is long past for debate when it comes to people like you. Let Mossad take care of you assholes if need be! The fact that you spew your hate gets more people killed inside Israel, and outside, by Muslim terrorists.

    • Tom

      The Mossad is an intelligence service. It has no "jurisdiction" anywhere, and like any intelligence service, its killings are for executive policy and are extra-judicial. Law enforcement services have jurisdictions, but they kill only in self defense while performing their duties. You are very muddled.

      • Appds

        So it was self defence to sneak into Dubai on stolen passports and murder ? You are muddled sir !

    • milt

      Your such an asshole, the jews as you put it, left gaza years ago, and all they got for it is rockets being launched at them from gaza. So get your facts straight and get your ass out of the sand!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/LeeSouthend LeeSouthend

      Arabs need to get off Jewish land end of story.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/eerieSteve eerieSteve

    "It’s a topsy-turvy world out there" indeed. Just as the violent dinosaurs turned to beautiful song birds, so will Hamas turn from a violent terror group to a political faction.

    Israel should, for all purposes, leave Hamas alone, or else they will be seen, once again, as the 500-lb Middle Eastern gorilla who bullies lesser apes while a real alpha predator waits in the bushes.

    Forget Hamas. Hit the Mullahs. Start killing them off one by one and work your way up to the Ayatollah. The Art of War states to pull no punches, and if your enemy is of choleric temper, irritate him!

    Meanwhile, as these fools meddle with assassination plots, eerieSteve watches and waits in constant prayer for his enemies!

    • USMCSniper

      The Art of War states to pull no punches, and if your enemy is of choleric temper, irritate him! True but not the best stratefy with terrorism.

      Sub Tsu says that the Strategy of War on terrorism articulates the use of intelligence which has direct applicability to combating terrorism. Intelligence enables the U.S. to combat terrorists "When the enemy is at ease…to weary him; when well fed, to starve him; when at rest, to make him move." In addition, it gives the U.S. the ability to prepare either military or non-military resources to "move swiftly where the terrorist does not expect you" and "to be certain…to attack a place the enemy does not protect" – his Mullahs.

  • eyes wide open

    Art of war is just a fancy way of saying old sayings…. " all's fair in love and war " …"war is hell " …the lead post by APPDS , is startling for its utter and obvious Hypocrisy …..in fact so much so , I had to laugh ……" Israel has no right outside it's jurisdiction " …..
    Israel has every right in the world to kill it's avowed enemies , whenever and where-ever OPPORTUNITY presents itself ….you know just like Hamas does . The difference of course is that Hamas lacks the sophistiation to execute surgical like assasination , they simply flail out blindly at ANY JEW , regardlessof whether it be , man ,women or child , utilizing indiscriminate savagry and barbarism .
    Kudos to Mossad , to APPDS – cry me a river , atleast the Israelis are not promising heaven to anyone who kills a jew .

    • APPDS

      I pity you and your one side view of the world !!

  • Joy

    I see no crocodile tears were shed for this terrorist leader – even in the Arab/Muslim world. Whoever off'd him was, as Prof. Dershowitz claims, did the world a favor. Meanwhile, ALL national spy agencies are, in effect, INTERNATIONAL in nature – they operate around the world and mostly outside their own borders (M6 in UK, CIA in USA, etc. etc.) – all with the purpose of thwarting terrorism against the nation they represent, whether domestically or abroad. APPDS is either extremely naive or extremely anti-israel – or both. Actually, I've found, from reading many of these posts and those on other websites – as well, of course, as Letters to the Editor & editorials, etc. – that the world has jumped on the anti-Israel bandwagon and is spouting lie after lie – Israel in Gaza and seizing land, etc. But the land it did annex after the 6-Day War is vital "buffer"land and I, for one, pray that it stays that way – Israel's violent and hate-filled neighbors dictate that state of affars.

    • APPDS

      If you are going to get into agencies that work outside of thew law then please use the correct terminology its is MI6 in the UK, the CIA in the US does not do wet work they tend to hire out to various ex-operatives…………I am neither anti israel or naive and have friends on both side so f the borders. Try and see the big picyture and see who is actually pulling the strings !

  • arthur brede

    We seem to be missing a basic point here. Since when did Mossad need 20-odd clowns in fancy dress to off one plague-carrying rat? Given the chemicals that turned up in and around the corpse, a couple of qualified pschypharm interrogators may have been in on the act , but somehow it's all all too Fred Karno for Israel. Double-bluff? Naah – the Israelis know that the cretinious Islamic mob will believe anything it's told that smears a Jew. Which brings us nearer to a reasonable hypothesis. Whoever did it – my money's on Fatah – put up a very good triple smokescreen – silly, easy disguises worthy of Wile E Coyote, max; faked passports stirring squeals of false outrage and confusion in the countries still performing the hygienic function of killing Islamofascists; unaccustomed and amazing efficiency in the Dubai police, a organisation previously renowned for corruption and selective competence, at best. And then the weary, weary leftist press forever running with yet another leaking antisemitic ball for yet another fake touchdown in their imaginary war against an imaginary foe. In the meantime, real Israel ponders its next real move to protect us all. Strength to its elbow – praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

    • Democracy First

      Very true. Nonetheless, I think Dershowitz's arguments are more than merely strong, but imperative. Because even if ISrael didn't assassinate this man, it has in past and will in future assassinate other terrorists, sometimes using forged passports.

      • APPDS

        And that is the crux of the matter…………

  • Joy

    I love Arthur Brede's take on this Peter Sellars caper – Fatah, eh? Who else would benefit from this creep's death? Sounds like a case for Inspector Clouseau! Actually, it would make fun little movie – a Komedy Kaper, actually – unless there's something more sinister afoot…..

    What REALLY rings true, of course, is Brede's characterization of the Dubain polizei – normally not exactly Scotland Yard. I have zero knowledge, of course, re the state of affairs among the Dubai constabulary, but efficient, quick-responding & brilliant deductions are NOT among the characteristics I would think would apply to any Arab semi-dictatorship. Hmmmmm…… Maybe an inside job? And/or with the collaboration of Fatah? In fact, Dershowitz makes a very good point when he observes that it seems to work for a terrorist to enter Dubai with his real passport, but all hell breaks loose when NON-terrorist (or so goes the assumption) hit men walk through security with fake passports! What's wrong with that picture?

  • antileft

    If IDF and Mossad were involved in this attack,it is of no importance ,what is important though,is that a militant ,a being ,having conscientiously accepted his role as a military personel- terrorist – ´freedom fighter ´ etc. and as such simoultaneously accepting his very possible fate , that is being a legitimate target ,and as such ,he –and similar creatures anywhere else – should have also accepted the simple idea that standing against a military force far superior in military technology ,combatants ´ dedication and skills and intelligence gathering and analysis is no child´s play, no fiddling with the sticks,therefore any international laws and their acceptability and validity are of no value,as he had accepted the rules of the game where the very same laws had not applied to his countless victims .This person wanted this adventurous life ,and he paid for it with his own. Pure and simple .He had misjudged his opponents ,and was rewarded justly for it ! I hope more of these ordinary criminals will see the same bleak ,but finite future !

  • tanstaafl

    One less Hamas terrorist……………. that's got to be worth a few stolen passports.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

      Now Ehud Barak, the grinning, rotund Israeli Defence minister who authorised the killing of non-combatants in GAZA and their use as human shields by the IDF, will be able to travel to the UK and stroll about safe in the knowledge that the British Government has voted not to touch those who have allegedly been involved in war crimes. NICE.

      • Coas

        [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life."

        —-Fathi Ahmad Hammad, member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, Hamas

        Show one case, just one, were the IDF used human shield.

        I was there with my soldiers, all we saw was Hamas using children for building barrier, firing from civilian populated apartments, using ambulances for transporting troops, stealing food supply, booby trap mosques and schools…

        But, don't let the facts disturb your hate…

  • poptoy

    I love the title of this article. Very well said Mr. Dave.

  • jojo

    }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}sreal Vampire bats
    Sad but true

    • Rifleman

      jojo – Moonbat
      Sad but true.

  • William Smart

    If Israel wasn't in enough trouble already, abusing the good name of your friends is a guaranteed way to lose even the ones you've got.

    So much for not arresting Tzipi Livni as an assassin next time she sets foot in the UK!

    • Democracy First

      How do you feel about Britian, the US and other democracies using other nations' forged passports, as they do? Does it trouble you that they are 'abusing trhe good name of their friends?"

      How do you feel about the US using predators to take out various Mahmoud al-Mabhouhs in Pakistan and Afghanistan and elsewhere? Or is it only Israel`s actions against terrorists that so exercises you? Does it mean that "So much for not arresting Barack Obama as an assassin next time he sets foot in the UK! ?"

    • Democracy First

      BTW, here's something to frustrate you:

      "Brown said the right to prosecute international crimes in Britain had been abused by activists.

      "The only question for me is whether our purpose is best served by a process where an arrest warrant for the gravest crimes can be issued on the slightest of evidence," he said. "As we have seen, there is now significant danger of such a provision being exploited by politically-motivated organizations or individuals."

      Meanwhile, British Ambassador to Israel Tom Phillips telephoned Livni to inform her of the UK government’s intention to change the law."


  • Mihail

    Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:

    “All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe…know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part … in Iraq [and] Afghanistan.”

    Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.

    Cossiga’s tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s. Gladio’s specialty was to carry out what they termed “false flag” operations—terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

    In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, “You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force … the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security.”

    Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcherWebster Tarpley saying “The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and
    flight security personnel.”

    Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga’s assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America’s propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot..it's the khazar jews stupid,the synagogue of satan,,revelation 2:9,3:9

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      "… a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and ’80s." — Lol, that means the soviet union and warsaw pact were CIA/Mossad ops as well, because they trained and often operated with those terrorists. Who knew?

    • badaboo

      Mihail , grow up …everyone who is capable of critical thinking [seems you are not ] has already concluded WHO is responsible for the attacks on 9/11 , especially after Bin Laden admitted his part . But you'd rather believe a has-been Italian ex-politician .

      Mihail . go out and buy yourself a new brain , becuase you just can't fix stupid .

  • Marty

    A murderer has been eliminated. There is no reason to offer excuses or justification or to throw a pity party for the poor oppressed palestinians. The record of one more dead genocidal sociopath is self-evident anyway. Israelis have the right and moral obligation to proteect themselves against islamic thugs who want them dead. Fortuantely, they also have the power.

    • Holocaustralia

      Do you mean genocidal sociopaths like Netandyahoo and the criminal vegetable Ariel Sharon?

      • xman

        I think we can have little doubt that you celebrated the murder of 3,000 innocent people on 9/11.

    • APPDS

      So the Mossad have the right to be judge, Jury and executioner ? pretty fucked up way to live.

  • mike honcho

    Iran should put a hit on Netanyahu, he is a terrorist and according to most people it's ok kill terrorist.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

      Name a price ?

  • Democracy First

    And Obama's a terrorist too – for defending his country and democracy against terrorists with targeted assassinations using predator strikes in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And worse, his assassinations also kill those hanging around with the targets, including innocents, even children. That makes him a terrorist, according to the same sources (terrorists, terrorist supporters and appeasers) that describe Netanyahu as one.

  • flyingtiger

    If I ever meet the guy who shot this terrorist, I will buy him a beer.

    • Guest

      I'll buy the second round

    • appds

      Hmmmmmm It would seem that not only are you ignorant but you either cant or don't read………He was not shot Cause of death

      Initially, Dubai authorities believed al-Mabhouh had died of natural causes.[26] Results from a preliminary forensic report by the Dubai police found that al-Mabhouh was first paralyzed by an injection of succinylcholine, a fast-acting muscle relaxant. He was then suffocated with a pillow[27], though their investigation and final report on the matter would not be ready until the beginning of March.[2] Signs indicated that al-Mabhouh resisted as he was being suffocated.[28] Dubai authorities stated they were ruling the death a homicide and were working with the International Criminal Police Organization to investigate the incident.[29]

  • eyes wide open

    to all arab/muslim/palestinian/hamas advocates , approvers and lackeys –suck it up boys , it's ONE LESS of YOU …and that is a good thing . [Mikhail-Jojo-Honcho -Democracy First -Ground control- ] Face it , Israel's been kicking arab/muslim arse since '48 when Israel finished what arabs started FIVE TIMES ALREADY …lol…and will continue to do so .
    Here's a tip to all you Israel/Jew/Zionist haters ….Survival is a more powerfull instinct than Hatred . Hatred bumbles , talks loud , flails and get its arse kicked …Survival puts you in the cross-hairs and waits for a clean shot .The attrition rate between Israel and her enemies is roughly 3.2 to 1 .in Israel's favor ……..that should tell you something ….YOU"LL NEVER WIN . And if Iran and Pakistan want to play rough , there's plenty of nukes to go around . The USA will always support Israel no matter what you say or do– Because, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO .

    Ponder that , and kick yourselves to sleep tonight .

    • Appds

      "The USA will always support Israel no matter what you say or do– Because, IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO" you mean its the Jewish money that controls the US economy so who is the puppet and who the puppeteer ?

  • Democracy First

    Surely you didn't mean to include me as an Israel hater. Go back re-read my posts.

  • aliko

    Israel is the usual suspect in this case, the ultimate Keyser Sose with tons of legends told and invented on a daily basis. We've been accused of everything under the sun so what's another Hamas terrorist getting his share of virgins?!

    • APPDS

      I pity you as you will never see a day of peace in your life !

      • xman

        And that is because Islam and the evil terrorists you fawn over won't vanish during his lifetime. you side with evil so that makes you evil and a candidate to burn in Hell when the curtain comes down on your worthless life.

        • APPDS

          When the curtain, as you call it, comes down on my life, God will know which side to cast my soul………. as he will know about all of us. I fawn over no terrorist be they Arab or IDF…………

  • Ground_Control

    I will not shed a tear when the cancer we call zionism is eradicated.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      If you look at the region from satelite, it's the arab areas that look like a cancer, or a pig sty.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

        Yep looks like new york……….case of the pot calling the kettle black………

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

          I don't live in New York, but where are the skyscrapers, parks, theaters, arenas, deep draft port facilities, transport terminals, industry, resorts, and recreational facilities in Gaza? All the 'peace loving palis make are rockets, explosives, and bombs. Thanks for helping to make my point, but the irrigation, cultivation, infrastructure, and stewardship differences that make gaza look like the cancer it is are obvious from all the way out in space.

          Detroit makes a better example, but that's because like Newark, it's been run by lefties for so long it looks like parts of Russia.

    • Tom W.

      Spoken like a typical Jew hater! Tell me other than reading propaganda why is Israel bad? I'm not even going to spoon feed you on this, just search all the inventions that have come out of the Jewish state (remember that's only been since 1948), now please tell me other than oil, what have Arab and/or Islamic countries given the world? Once you've done with your research get back to us on why again Israel needs to be erased? Also the computer you're using if it has an Intel chip, this technology was first created in Israel! If any person needs to be eradicated it's you for your useful idiot brain!

  • PAthena

    (1) So far as I know, Egypt and Jordan have just admitted that they committed the assassination.
    (2) The enemies of Israel concoct all sorts of lies about Israel, like Comment 1. They simply hate Jews. If Israel does anything to defend itself, they condemn it. If Mossad committed the assassination of a leader of Hamas, good.
    (3) Gaza, as a matter of fact, has an ancient Jewish connection. Ever hear of Samson and Delilah? There are (or were) synagoges in Gaza.
    (4) In fact, Jews have an ancient connection to Eretz Yisroel, at least 3700 years to the present, what the haters of Jews want to deny.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

    Why are the pali fans upset? They say they love death like Jews and Christians love life, and martyrdom is their highest aspiration, you'd think they'd be happy and grateful that this jihadi's wish was granted.

  • Kurt

    Adios. Another baby killer is sent to met his maker. Who cares if he was in another country. So Dubai has a law against killing murders who are freely walking around in their country. Why didn't Dubai arrest this murder and turn him over to Isreal? If they did, since Isreal does not have the death penalty, this murder would still be alive. And, who knows maybe he might even have been freed later in a prisoner for kidnapped innocent civilian exchange. No other country has to honor Dubai's terror protecting laws. We do not return political prisoners to North Korea and other such countries, so why should any country honor Dubai's laws protecting murders.

    • xman

      Yep, and nothing hurts Jew-hating trash like APPDS more than the thought of baby killers being sent to their raisins.

  • Kurt

    Part II: The US kills terrorist in Afganistan, Irag, Yeman, Somalia, etc. and we don't even bother with passports. I for one would like to know who these people are so that they can be honored as heros. How many babies will now grow to adulthood because of their brave actions. Everyone is upset the Isrealis may have defended themselves from cowardly murders. I would suggest that if you don't want to be hunted down like a dog and dispached to your reward, don't kill or hurt Jewish people-who from everything I know of them are some of the most peace loving people in the world. Look these extremist want to die in jihad to go to heaven to be rewarded by Allah, so is helping them toward their goal really murder? If their beliefs are true then shouldn't their relatives be sending thank you cards to those who made sure their murdering relatives were no longer breathing air? To all my Isreali friends, if your Mossad killed this terrrorist, THANK YOU!!! and good luck in future such endevors, from a freedom loving American.

    • APPDS


  • Guest

    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. –George Orwell

    • APPDS

      That was not George Orwell >People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

      * Alternative: "We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us."
      * In his 1945 "Notes on Nationalism", Orwell claimed that the statement, "Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf" was a "grossly obvious" fact. "Notes on Nationalism"
      * Notes: allegedly said by George Orwell although there is no evidence that Orwell ever wrote or uttered either of these versions of this idea. They do bear some similarity to comments made in an essay that Orwell wrote on Rudyard Kipling, when quoting from one of his poems. Orwell did write, in his essay on Kipling, that the latter's "grasp of function, of who protects whom, is very sound. He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them." (1942)

  • YidWhacka

    For those who feel it is ok for Israel to kill people whom it considers terrorists no matter where in the world they are……remember these words when us Muslims are taking you Yids out left right and center for all the terrorism you've inflicted for the last 60 years. We're all patiently waiting for the day and there are so many more of us than you….thanks for accepting this precedent, and remember that you did.

    • Joy

      Oh-oh! "YidWacka," I think there'll be more Islam/Mohammeden "wacka" in future, but it will only be to help you on your way to the 72 virgins (all over age 60, BTW) waiting for you in Allah purgatory….

      You've got a serious problem – just hope that you don't go postal on us!! OTOH, I think you're too much of a coward to take the Suicide Express, or am I underestimating your teeny "weenie" "manhood?"

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

        Another dumb Yank…………

      • xman

        He won't blow himself up for 72 raisins – his sort will always want others to do his dirty work for him, and for him there is an endless supply of sub-bacterial-I.Q Muslims around.

    • APPDS

      I await the day when Israel is either at peace with the rest of the world or no longer there !

  • YidWhacka

    Eyes wide open,

    Israel has been fighting defenseless civilians with the active support of the US. Anything changes to make the victims a little less defenseless and any change in US support of Israel and all you sh*theads will be taking a dirt nap.

  • YidWhacka


    "Anti-Semite" cannot be applied to us since we are semitic people, more so than the average Israeli who is Eastern european or russian by origin. And how does Anti-Semitism and organ theft even make it into a discussion about Israelis who have a habit of killing people they don't like? What's that about?

    • Tom W.

      Yep, how sad just another brain dead propaganda spouter! Google "who coined anti-Semitism"; you'll see it was Wilhem Marr in 1879 , a notorious Jew hater! Leave it to Jew haters to try to throw false monkey wrenches into the argument, no more than saying that one can criticize Israel without being labeled an anti-Semite. The problem is all the kinds of criticism these sorts of people spout are verbatim anti-Israel libels that come fresh off of Islamic and neo-Nazi propaganda sites! My question to you is where did you read the talking point that anti-Semitism is hatred of semitic peoples and not specifically Jews? This not a rhetorical question, please answer if you have the guts!

    • Tom W.

      One more thing, what makes you tick? I mean it in all sincerity, why does a person like you look at the world in a screwed view? The entire world is being attacked by Islam, Western nations have sent in their young men and women lately since 9/11 to basically and ironically fight one type of Muslim so that another Islamic group can run corrupt countries! Yet despite all this and all the security measures around the world that have been imposed on all law abiding citizens in order to prevent acts of Muslim terrorism–you somehow have chosen to hate Jews! Wow–that says a lot about a person's character!

      • xman

        What makes him tick is the fact that he was put on this earth to hate Jews and celebrate the murder of infidels by the Muslim terrorists in atrocities like 9/11, Bali, Beslan, London, Madrid, Mumbai and so many others, which he so obviously supports.

  • Tom W.

    For all those people who immediately jump onboard the latest libellous rumours regarding Jews and/or Israel and then join the masses to blame them, I refer you to Exodus 23:1-3 which says, "Thou shalt not utter a false report; put not thy hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness. Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil; neither shalt thou bear witness in a cause to turn aside after a multitude to pervert justice; neither shalt thou favour a poor man in his cause." Were any of you anti-Semites part of the multitude that believed the latest blood libel about Israel doctors stealing the organs from dead Haitians for the organ transplant black-market?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

      This says it all about a b unch of butchers that will stop at nothing to kill anybody that speaks or acts against them
      Mossad's former motto: be-tachbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milchāmāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה‎) is a quote from the Bible (Proverbs 24:6): "For by wise guidance you can wage your war, and in abundance of counselors there is victory" (NRSV). (In Hebrew, "tachbūlōt" – "wise guidance" in English – can also be translated as "cunning", "trick", or "deception") The motto was changed recently as part of the Mossad's public 'coming out' to another Proverbs passage: be-'éyn tachbūlōt yippol `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rov yō'éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ‎) (Proverbs 11:14). This is translated by NRSV as: "Where there is no guidance, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety."

  • Joy

    Takl about the ultimate 911 "Truther!!" Boy, Van Jones has nothing on poor, dillusional Mihail!! And I love his source – this Italian has-been who never was!! I love how "the world's intelligence agencies" are all agreed – and have all the data – on this "Truther" lalapalooza – as if someone from among all those thousands of operatives wouldn't have spoken up by now and written the definitive article or book – with tons of irrefutible evidence and truth to back it up! Gimme a break!! Hell, it wouldn't even make a very good movie…

  • http://thereisnosantaclaus.blogspot.com TINSC

    Will someone explain this to me?

    Let's assume that the Israelis actually were responsible for the assassination of the HAMAS terrorist gun-runner Mahmound Mahbouh in Dubai.

    Why is it such a moral negative for Israel to assassinate an armed enemy of the state in a country that is at war with Israel?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/APPDS APPDS

      Since when is Dubai at war with Israel…………. Get your head out of your ass and learn some international politics……….

  • Hamalot

    It would be an honor for anyone to use my passport to knock off a sleeze bucket like that. Can't we just thank these quiet achievers privately and be grateful that they were effective?

  • http://palestineisraelsolutions.blogspot.com Stewart Mills

    It is astounding that Dershowitz who has a rich and vast experience in criminal law would choose to reject the basic rule of law that noone is above the law; and that extra-judicial killing is an anathema to the law.

    Harvard University needs to question the benefit of retaining a law professor who is putting his own skewed and violent political agenda before basic principles of international law.

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