Stopping the Next “Underwear Bomber” – by Alan M. Dershowitz


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My dire New Year prediction is that Islamic terrorists may well succeed this year in blowing up a civilian airliner. They have already twice proved that suicide bombers can get through security. And those are only the successful security bypasses that we know about. Who knows how many other potential terrorists, who have been tasked to test our system, have made it through?

For all we know, the Christmas Day “failure” was also a test, at least in part—a test that included the potential for catastrophic success, but a test designed to probe weaknesses in our airline security system. Only ten days later, another person got past security at Newark Airport and was never found. Who knows how many other people have simply managed to walk around the metal detectors or through the security exit. I myself saw a man run passed security at Newark Airport several years ago. When I notified security, their response was to search my briefcase and nearly make me miss my flight. There was no search for the security evader and no shutdown of the concourse.

Airport security in many parts of the world is a cruel joke. Worse, it is an invitation to terrorism. In many international airports, security is no better than in the least secure country from which any flyer begins his flight. Once in the secure area of some airports, there are no further checks when boarding a second flight. There must be security checks at every gate, not merely at the entrance to the general boarding area. Otherwise, passengers whose flights begin at low security airports can board planes without going through reasonable security.

Nor have we learned enough from the near successes of the shoe and underwear bombers. In both cases, we should have acted as if they had succeeded. That they did not had absolutely nothing to do with our security, but rather with a factor over which the would-be terrorists had complete control, namely improving the effectiveness of their explosive triggers. Imagine what the reaction would have been if hundreds of Detroit-bound passengers had been murdered. That is what the reaction should now be to this near-catastrophe.

We must adopt a multi-tiered approach to airline security. Frequent flyers who pose no security threat should be eligible for a non-transferable telemetric security card that is keyed into their retina for near foolproof identification. They could quickly pass through metal and explosives detection. Other fliers can opt for increased security or increased privacy. Those who opt for increased security would be subjected to intrusive scanning, without a metal box protecting their private parts. After all, it was the private parts that were the location of the most recent explosives. If you are too prudish to have your private parts scanned, then opt for privacy. In that case, you have to come to airport three hours early and be subjected to a thorough external pat down and a lengthy sit-down interview.

The time has come to take airline security seriously. We must also upgrade security in railroad and bus terminals, but Al Qaeda’s obsession with airlines should influence our priorities. Those civil libertarians who claim that increasing security will not work are simply lying. It will work, though not perfectly, and it will also diminish privacy and civil liberties, though not significantly. Life is composed of tradeoffs. Those civil libertarians who deny that there are tradeoffs are serving neither the interests of civil liberties nor of truth. Among the most important civil liberty is our ability to travel without excessive fear of terrorism, and without excessive intrusion into our privacy.

We must increase the quality and training of the security personnel at the airports. It should become a job for retired and experienced law enforcement officials. It should pay well and it should be subject to rigorous testing. Security “testers” should be using every available tactic to try to evade security. Those in charge of protecting us should be graded by their ability to spot terrorist threats.

There must be more searching interviews of travelers who do not opt for the security card or the scanning. There is nothing wrong with profiling, so long as it does not lump together all members of a particular race, religion or ethnicity. Profiling, based on a wide variety of characteristics that are directly associated with the risk of terrorism, is a good thing. So is “negative profiling”—that is, excluding certain categories of travelers from super-scrutiny based on their obvious non-involvement in terrorism.

Finally, we must have air marshals on every flight. This will be expensive, but nobody ever said that safe travel coupled with reasonable privacy would be cheap. We will implement all of these proposals—and more intrusive ones—as soon as the first plane is blown out of the sky and hundreds of innocent travelers are murdered. Why not do it now, before a preventable tragedy occurs?

  • hal shaw

    “There is nothing wrong with profiling, so long as it does not lump together all members of a particular race, religion or ethnicity.”
    What's left!!!
    Every bomber since Lockerbie has been Muslim!
    Half have been named Muhammad!
    Is it OK to ask if they have a bomb in their pants?
    You're as bad as obama.

  • eerie Steve

    Mr. Dershowitz!

    We have ways of making you comply Mr. Dershowitz!

    Like getting intellectual lawyers to self validate “justifiable” legal torture. What's next? The Holy Genocide, light a prayer candle if you want it to continue?

    Hey, let's try this. Torture. Gitmo torture. Gitmo torture at absurd levels. Gitmo torture at absurd levels in the streets of Riyadh as protest over Israel not moving to California to increase their junk bond status.

    i'll get those jewish prostitutes!

  • Robert Bernier

    Americans WAKE UP

    Hate to the US is part of a deep and sincere ideology.
    PMW Director Itamar Marcus spoke in the US Congress several month ago about the dangers inherent in the creation of a PA state. While US President Obama and other senior politicians have touted the creation of a PA state as beneficial to American interests, a PA state would in all likelihood ally itself with America’s enemies, he said. Among the statements quoted in the report: “Allah, take hold of the Americans and their allies… Allah, count them and kill them to the last one and don’t leave even one.” Ahmed Bahar, speaker of the PA legislative council, on PA TV in April 2007. Be correctly informed :

    http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2010/01

  • Robert Bernier

    Wow! Read this one. It is really good. And this gentleman says it just like it is.

    This venerable and much honored WW II vet is well known in Hawaii
    for his seventy-plus years of service to patriotic organizations and causes all over the country. A humble man without a political bone in his body, he has never spoken out before about a government official, until now. He dictated this letter to a friend, signed it and mailed it to the president. Consult : http://xrl.us/bgeewc

  • solemnman

    Those interviewing passengers in Israel are highly trained in observing passenger's behaviour before and during questioning.
    .Focusing on the most likely candidates is not racism .It is merely facing the fact that nearly all the terrorists,so far, have been.Islamists ,Those muslims ,who undergo greater scrutiny,might find that their feelings of humiliation are mitigated by a possible discovery that one of their fellow muslims was prevented from destroyig the plane in which they were about to travel .

  • potkas7

    Dershowitz leaves his anecdote unfinished. At Newark there was no search for the security invader; no shutdown of the concourse and NOTHING HAPPENED! The man he saw, like tens of millions of other travelers was not a terrorist and, therefore, needed no scrutiny at all. The conclusion from this little tale is NOT that we need to be screened at every gate but, rather, that we need to stop screening the innocent and concentrate, instead, on that population with the highest probability of bad intent. And that population IS identifiable.

    It makes no sense to be strip-searching traveling Anglican Bishops, Hispanic grandmothers or young Marines coming from or going on deployment, when we know that the world's population of suicide bombers is EXCLUSIVELY young, Muslim males.

    Let's just apologize in advance for the inconvenience, but all young Muslim males need to be treated like suspects while the rest of the traveling public can be waved through and wished a Bon Voyage!

  • wildjew

    I'm not sure this piece offers much that is new or different except that Professor Dershowitz, as a strong supporter and defender of President Obama, is a civil libertarian who recognizes that fellow libertarians need to be reasonable, considering the implications in this war.

    But why “not lump together all members of a particular race, religion or ethnicity” when it is predominantly the members of a particular religion that are committing and attempting to commit these atrocities? More often it is the members of a particular race and ethnicity as well. If it is good enough for Israel's El Al to profile a particular race, religion and / or ethnicity why is unreasonable for American airlines to follow Israel's example?

    Furthermore, I have great difficulty believing in Mr. Dershowitz from the perspective that he has championed and strongly defended President Obama before and after his election in November 2008. Dershowitz defends Obama's even as he presses Israel to halt construction in our national homeland. Obama is part of the problem. He is not part of the solution. Bush was bad. Obama is much, much worse. More importantly, Dershowitz has been in the forefront pushing for the establishment of a Muslim (no question, terror) state in the land of Israel. One of his later books (which I have), “The Case For Peace,” is an argument in favor of a Muslim-enemy state in Israel. Chapter 15, “More Israeli Than the Israelis,” Dershowitz denounces those (Jews and non-Jews) who disagree with his prescription for “peace,” as “extremists (whose) language parallels the hate speech used by anti-Israel zealots.”

    How can we believe in this man?

  • abrahamstubenhaus

    This crotch bomber aka, “The Panties Bomber” is just another typical show off who is psychologically insecure and therefore overcompensates by being brazen to “prove” he has no doubts.
    If the families of these low class bloodspilling lovers would suffer grave interogations that go on for months, the baby fools would heaitate before realizing what they will be putting their family members through.
    Right now, it's very simple.
    Good bye family, I'm going to kill for god.
    If the families would suffer afterwards, these evil clumps of waste would not be so fast to murder others.

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  • USMCSniper

    Terrorist states or proxy terrorists who impinge on America's freedom or threaten American lives has chosen the rules of the game. Defense is okay but a good offense must bring their war to them. They bomb a public place, we bomb ten of theirs. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourists, we tactically nuke an entire Muslim city. Our strategy should be to make Jihadist terrorism so horrific and costly that it becomes unthinkable to attack Americans or American assets.

    • Anode

      seriously? you want to kill hundreds and thousands of innocent people ("nuke an entire Muslim city") when some radical islamists kill tourists or attempt terror attacks? And amzingly you think these retards who think they're getting virgins in heaven actually care about what happens to their families if they take part in these terror acts. Did you ever stop to think that these terrorists actually kill those in the same Muslim cities who do not follow their stupid "acts deserving of god". Ever heard of the Taliban – those who beheaded people who didnt cater to their militant and radical views? I highly doubt that you are that dumb to not think that these thoughts of yours are what are actually used to recruit more f.ing retards. So think before you say, not just spew out in rage.

  • prudentman

    Civil Libertarians are not Social Libertarians. Two-thirds of Americans ( Democrats, Republicans and Independents) are Social Libertarian/Fiscal & National Defense Conservatives. To not understand that we make personal liberty/personal security trade-offs daily is naive.

    The Obama premise that Guantanamo is a “recruiting tool for the terrorist” is false. The Cole, Trade Center, 9/11 as well as hundreds more took place before we ever used Guantanamo to incarcerate terrorists. The MSM should ask Obama to name one terrorist who was recruited because of Guantanamo and then ask him how many terrorist will be rehabilitated by it closing. When the premise is false everything derived from that premise is false.

  • sflbib

    Finding would-be airline bombers by random searches is like trying to hit the lottery. Go figure the odds.

  • fredglass

    I thought a lawyer like Alan Dershowitz would be smart enough to see other possibilities especially in light of the known Jordanian doctor mole who blew up 8 of our CIA agents in Afghanistan on a highly secure base a couple of week ago.

    Isn't it possible, even highly likely that this incident was more a DISCONNECTING OF THE DOTS by some Jihadi moles embedded in out CIA rather than a failure of connecting them by our intelligence agencies? After all the facts surrounding the underwear bomber were so glaring that not putting him on the No Fly List is conceivable. Perhaps somebody, a Jihadi mole within our intelligence community manipulated the lists. (Nobody has followed up on one of 253 passenger observations that an Indian looking man in a suit took the bomber aside from the security line in the Amsterdam airport)

    The imagination can run wild with all sorts of counter intelligence & counter-counter intelligence scenarios other than the one above which I deign not to wrap my mind around. (This is for the great spy novelists to do) Nobody, however can deny that for many thousands of years counter & counter-counter intelligence have been a staple of human history.

    I suspect that anyone who reads these words will not be able to let go of all the possibilities. Sort of like trying to solve a puzzle. Trouble is we never have all the pieces.

  • fredglass

    In last post meant to type: inconceivable rather than conceivable.

  • prudentman

    Time for the airlines and travelling public pay for the security and not the taxpayers. If fliers would only use those airlines who produced exceptional service, including security, the Free Enterprise would provide that security quickly and efficiently. We have became so delusioned by the false claim that government can protect us from every risk must come to an end. That delusion is as dangerous as radical terrorists.

    Dershowitz, who favors treating captured terrorist with whatever is needed to save American lives, should be appreciated as a solid Liberal who shows a semblance of sense.

  • jay963

    What you are suggesting would take the government a decade to implement in the best of circumstances. And if it was implemented the terrorists would move on to softer targets.
    We can't protect buses and trains. A thousand tons of cocaine gets across our borders each year. A few pounds of explosives can't be stopped.
    We need to take the war to the terrorists sponsors. If we won't destroy the leadership of Iran and Syria and other state sponsors of terrorism, we won't be safe.

  • thinker1

    Aren't we a country of idiots? See this:
    It's our policy: Some terrorists can fly without secondary screening
    By: David Freddoso
    Online Opinion Editor
    01/06/10 11:57 AM EST
    Terry Jeffrey at CNS carefully reads through a July report from the Homeland Security Inspector General and finds this passage:

    “Not all known or reasonably suspected terrorists are prohibited from boarding an aircraft, or are subject to additional security screening prior to boarding an aircraft.”

    In other words, you've been waiting in lines and subjected to harrassment by TSA employees for about eight years now, all for naught. We're not even scrutinizing real terrorists. I'll have more on the cost-benefit of our pretend airport security system in tomorrow's column.

  • tlwinslow

    To prevent another Xmas Condom Bomber, we don't need to heighten security for non-Muslims, only begin Muslim Ideological Profiling to screen Muslims for signs of radicalization, and heighten security only for them. A radicalized Muslim steps over the line from religion to becoming a dangerous political and military enemy of the U.S., and the Constitution gives the govt. the power to protect everybody else from them, so begin it now and let the courts approve it years down the line after Dershowitz probably takes the side of the Muslims :)

    To learn the radical Muslim mindset and learn the difference between radical and secular Muslims study Islam's history free online with the Historyscoper at http://go.to/islamhistory

  • wildjew

    In my view, radical libertarianism, whether social or civil are both dangerous to the welfare of any nation. The professor is both. At this juncture in history, radical civil libertarians are more dangerous in that they give aid and comfort to the enemy.

  • jaimeeisen

    Security in ther USA is handled by a bureaucracy made of low paid personnel. The Israeli security is handled by individuals that can correctly speak 6 languages and may be in training for a career in the foreign relations department. They are polite. They do profiling, They look into your eyes and ask questions that verify the background of the traveler. When I take the airplane in Israel my baggage just go through the x-ray scanner. They do not waste time with my wife and I. On the other hand I saw search an Arab looking individual and his baggage so thoroughly that they checked the thickness of the suitcase envelope. On one occasion, before 9/11, my wife, 4'-9″ tall with 4.5 shoe size was at the Ft. Lauderdale airport with all the correct documentation for a domestic trip when the clerks found out that her seat was given to another person through a mistake in identity. Right away my wife became a suspect and was searched 3 times including removal of the shoes.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    The first bomber, the shoe bomber, was passed through an Israeli Airport security company check point. (Prior to which he had been passed through by the same secuity company for an all expense paid week long trip to Tel Aviv…suspicious? I think so…)

    The second bomber, the underwear bomber, was passed through an Israeli Airport security company check point.

    I see a pattern forming. The solution is obvious…

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    Fredglas,

    You are not considering the fact that the same sraeli security company that passed the shoe bomber through also passed this underwear bomber through.

    That isn't a failure in security to me…it smacks of intention…that or gross ineptitude of monumental proportion.

    I don't think the Israelis are inept, do you?

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    Yes, but who is the enemy? That is the big question.

    It is not as simple as simpletons make it out to be.

  • xyouth_of_todayx

    if a person wants to hurt other people they will always find a way to do it, whether it's on the street, in a restaurant, at a military base, in an office, a train, bus, park or an airplane.
    amping up security checks further could create more impatience, stress and a sense of paranoia that in the end could create even more violent outbreaks… terrorism in the end is not that different from people going postal, in both cases the attacker is crazy (blinded by mental illness, a political belief, or a religious belief) and unpredictable.

    if governments around the world continue to try and turn the world into a 1984-like police state and treat its citizens like cattle… people will continue to freak out and hurt others…

    the only solution is for the U.S. to get the hell out of the Middle East and focus on national re-building: economy, education, health. the answer lies in ending dependence on foreign countries to maintain the economy moving and being more self sufficient.

  • alan winters

    I agree partially. TSA must recruit educated, well paid, intelligent observers and interrogators to interview passengers based on profiling. Security preempts sophistic constitutional arguments.

  • USMCSniper

    The enemy is Islam itself. The near silence about the true role of Islam as what to what is actually motivating Islamic terrorists has two main causes: multiculturalism and religion. Multiculturalism asserts that all cultures are equal and therefore none may criticize another; intellectuals and politicians are therefore reluctant to declare the obvious superiority of Western culture to Islamic culture. And the strong commitment to religion of many Americans, especially conservatives, makes them reluctant to indict a religion as the cause of a massive evil. But if we are to identify the fundamental cause of the terrorists' actions, we must understand at least two fundamental premises of the religion they kill for.

    First, Islam, like all religions, rejects reason as a means of gaining knowledge and guiding action; it holds that all important truths are grasped by faith in supernatural beings and sacred texts. The Koran explicitly states that knowledge comes from revelation, not thinking. (Christianity in pure form entails a similar rejection of reason, but it has been heavily diluted and secularized since the Renaissance.) Islam advocates the subordination of every sphere of life to religious dogma, including the legal system, politics, economics, and family life; the word “Islam” means literally: submission. The individual is not supposed to think independently but to selflessly subordinate himself to the dictates of his religion and its theocratic representatives. We have seen this before in the West–it was called the Dark Ages.

    Second, as with any religion that seeks converts, a derivative tenet of Islam is that it should be imposed by force (you cannot convince someone of the non-rational). The Koran is replete with calls to take up arms in its name: “fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them . . . those who reject our signs we shall soon cast into the fire . . . those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them; boiling fluid will be poured down on their heads . . . as to the deviators, they are the fuel of hell.”

    These ideas easily lead to fanaticism and terrorism. In fact, what is often referred to as the “fanaticism” of many Muslims is explicitly endorsed by their religion. Consider the following characteristics of religious fanatics. The fanatic demands unquestioning obedience to religious dogma–so does Islam. The fanatic cannot be reasoned with, because he rejects reason–so does Islam. The fanatic eagerly embraces any call to impose his dogma by force on those who will not adopt it voluntarily–so does Islam.

    The terrorists are not “un-Islamic” bandits who have “hijacked a great religion”; they are consistent and serious followers of their religion.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    To your first paragraph, the ignorance of Islam is the root of any problem arising from people who claim to be “following Islam” when they commit violence. Go here, read this:

    http://www.fas.org/man/eprint/islamic.pdf

    Yes, Islam as a religion has a guide for an entire life. Everything has rules and if it is abided by completely the only result is peace.

    But bring a person like you and set them beside a like minded idiot (the “Terrorist”) and you get what we have today, a mess.

    USMCSniper wrote “First, Islam, like all religions, rejects reason as a means of gaining knowledge and guiding action;”

    Ignorance of the religion and what it teaches is no excuse, and you are ignorant or you would realize how wrong this comment is.

    USMCSniper wrote “it holds that all important truths are grasped by faith in supernatural beings and sacred texts. The Koran explicitly states that knowledge comes from revelation, not thinking….(snip)We have seen this before in the West–it was called the Dark Ages.”

    You have expressed profound ignorance of what Islam teaches. And fancy you bringing up the Dark Ages…the “West” was lifted out of it in part by the knowledge developed, advanced, and originated, then conveyed by the Islamic culture to the “West.”

    USMCSniper wrote “Second, as with (snip)….”

    Out of context. You have no idea what the meaning is and it is exactly opposite to the “universal” meaning you try to attach to it.

    USMCSniper wrote “The terrorists are not “un-Islamic” bandits who have “hijacked a great religion”; they are consistent and serious followers of their religion.”

    No, the people who engage in what we define as “terrorism” are people as ignorant about Islam as you.

    Most of you like to respond with “Zawhiri is a life long medical doctor Muslim…blah blah blah” when confronted with this fact. Wrong, he is not a scholar of Islam. Period.

    Not to throw stones, but your hatred has been well groomed by the media yet altogether misplaced.

  • BS77

    eerie steve….get a grip man…..go to the nearest hospital and committ yourself.

  • wildjew

    Abdullah_Mikail, you wrote: “USMCSniper wrote “The terrorists are not “un-Islamic” bandits who have “hijacked a great religion”; they are consistent and serious followers of their religion…..”

    Abdullah_Mikail: “No, the people who engage in what we define as “terrorism” are people as ignorant about Islam as you….”

    You seem to be a reasonable enough person. Only the plain teachings of the Qur'an appear to contradict what you are suggesting, and then some. I believe former President Bush did the nation and my party a huge disservice when he declared, 'the “terrorists” are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself'. I believe conservatives and Republicans are almost equally culpable, in giving President Bush a pass. If Bush did not know better, he should have known better. I expect this nonsense from Obama. I did not expect it from Bush.

  • robertharkins

    And pray tell Mr. Dershowitz, what if a bomber deposits in his anal orifice a detonator or explosives,shall we then stand in line as gloved men or women search the cavities of us all. Shall we be excused of this exercise by reporting 24 hours early for cross examination and a severe pat down. And why would you characterize those with a concern for privacy and dignity with the derogatory term “prudish.” Intellectuals, perhaps more than those inferior in reasoning power, should avoid ad hominem attacks or straw men.

    While it is true that Homeland security leaks like a broken jug, why have you not mentioned the “politically correct” lunacy that is the cause not only for the Christmas near miss but for 9/11 itself. Finally, why have you not addressed the most destructive assault on national security: a President who thinks that terrorists (He will not use this name) should be read their rights and assigned a lawyer before critical battle field information is taken from them, by force or indeed, verbal persuasion.

    Really Mr. Dershowitz, it is pat time you go back and hit the books.

    Robert Harkins

  • Regina Policastra

    why bother with air marshalls? The cost would be higher than simply training and arming the cockpit staff.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    Yes, and I love reasonable people.

    Appearances can be deceiving especially when one is reading from the translation of the meaning of the completed Quran out of context out of time with the way it was revealed and the actual meanings of the verses in their proper context.

    It was revealed over a 23 year period and many of the revelations are time and space specific and mean only one thing in that time specifically. The error most make is assuming that a “sweep and clear” order revealed about a specific enemy in a specific city in a specific time is universal in its meaning, when it was not…it was for a specific time frame and the order was carried out, end of sentence.

    Bush was not ill-advised when they told him to say what he said… I don’t believe he was intelligent enough to say much that was not dictated to him.

    Oh, I forgot one, in respect to television and children,

    “Turn it off! Practice reading!”

    That was, I believe, 100% from GW.

  • mrflashrifle

    I agree. Dubya did America a disservice by engaging in political correctness, suggesting the 9-17 9-11 hijakers had hijacked a peaceful religion. On the contrary, these fine young sons of Islam followed their prophet's directives to the letter of Islamic law. At the end of the day, faithful Muslims blow up airliners. Those who water down Muhammed's very clear commandments to: either convert the infidel, or tax him, or otherwise slay him, and “spin” the religion into unintended (by the founder of Islam) claptrap about “religion of peace”, blah, blah, blah, are Muhammed's unfaithful followers. Fighting an “overseas contingency operation” instead of a war on the roots of the problem, Islam (hiding behind political correctness) will in fact yield many more Islamic terrorists incidents in 2010. Happy New Year!

  • wildjew

    OK, let us compare the Qur'an to the Hebrew Bible or the Torah and the prophets as an example. I believe R. Spencer argues the Bible is time and space specific just as you are positing about the Qur'an. I don't agree Spencer on this point. Of course, the Torah is space specific; that is it is confined to a particular piece of real estate that we call Israel or the Holy Land. But in no way is the Torah time specific and those Muslims that argue the Qur'an is not time specific are making an equally valid case in my view. God's laws must transcend time.

    Only I disagree with some, though not all, of the commandments contained in the Qur'an.

    What is the space of Islam? Is it not the entire earth?

  • BS77

    I like profiling….it works. If you have nothing to hide, no terrorist ties, why would you worry or care?…so they look at you, search you, ask some questions…big deal…they do this to lots of passengers…If you cannot handle the searches and the questioning, my advice is cry to the ACLU and take the boat or the train….but expect to be searched and questioned there too!!! It's a good thing.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    Wildjew (still dig the handle)

    Good point, but let us nail it down right now.

    In the verse in question what four month period is mentioned as a grace period?

    What treaty is mentioned as absolved?

    Which disbelievers who were under a treaty and adressed in that specific four month time priod expiring in their expulsion?

    This is what I refer to, a very specific time, place, and people.

  • SpiritOf1683

    It could hardly be simpler. Muslims are the oldest enemy of infidels. Muslims have a 1,400 year track record of wiping out entire peace-loving civilizations. And it is Muslims who are carrying out practically every terrorist atrocity in the world, just as your wicked prophet Mohammed did. And Muslims like yourself support these atrocities from Bali to Beslan to 9/11 to Madrid, London, Mumbai and many more. And given the fact that you are a terrorist supporter it means you endorse these atrocities. You are the willing mouthpiece of every Islamic terrorist outfit and lone wolf going, and you know it as well as we do.

  • SpiritOf1683

    The shoe bomber was an infidel-hating Muslim barbarian like yourself. And you would have cheered that atrocity to the rafters had it succeeded, just like the wicked barbarian you are.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    You are projecting your own weak media intoxicated opinions.

    Study history and military expansionism in these: Macedonian, Persian, Roman, German, British, Chinese, etc blah blah blah…

    “…peace-loving…”

    Whatever…dude, lay off the bong, okay?

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    Well, I don't hate anyone, not even assholes like you, who probably deserve a little of it, but no, not even you.

  • wildjew

    Where does the “4 month” period come into the picture? From the Hadith?

    As a Jew, I have some difficulty with extra-Biblical tradition from the standpoint of accepting it as prophecy. One would think a Muslim would as well.

    My Yusuf Ali translation reads, “But when the forbidden (sacred?) months are past, then fight and slay the pagans (mushrikun),” etc. I guess I assumed the sacred months meant the months Allah designated as holy.

    No?

  • SpiritOf1683

    We know you don't think the Israelis are inept. They're far too successful for your own liking. That country has existed for 62 years longer than you would have liked, and that irks you. You want to see that country destroyed, just as you would like to see the West destroyed, because you're a racist, bigoted, misogynistic hate-filled parasitical Muslim barbarian. And your bigotry and racism got you kicked off Jihadwatch, because you found yourself out of your depth, therefore you come here spouting your vile filth.

  • SpiritOf1683

    You can't get away with your lies here anymore, Muslim terrorist atrocity-loving barbarian.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    Npot from Hadith, it is directly from the Quran:

    At-Taubah 9:2 “Go ye, then, for four months,……but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.”

    At-Taubah 9:5 “But when the forbidden months are past…”

    (the months noted in 9:2)

    The opening of the verse talks about maintaining all peace and treaty with those pagans who had not chosen violence and attack by breaking the treaty terms.

    The adress is at that specific time and that specific place to those specific people who violated that specific treaty.

    Sorry for the redundancy, but it is specific. : )

  • SpiritOf1683

    Most of those left behind civilizations and the rule of law. The British brought technology like the railway to its Empire. Muslims are civilization destroyers, because Mohammed and his successors only brought death and destruction to those who had the misfortune to fall to them over 14 centuries. Of course, in your tiny mind, there's nothing wrong with atrocities like Beslan, Bali, 9/11 etc because 'it is only infidels that get killed and they deserve to die because they're infidels and have renounced Islam' and to you and your fellow Muslims, an infidel is worth at best only half a Muslim barbarian.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    The only one of we two with their knickers in a wad over Israel is you.

    You also forgot to mention the 110,000,000,000 reasons Israel exists.

    1949 to 2010 support from the US tax.

    That is only US aid, what has the rest of the world given to the beggar nation?

    Who knows.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    Truth stings you, doesn't it?

  • wildjew

    What about Qur'an 9:29? How can this be taken as time or space specific?

    I'm sure you know, no where in the Torah are the Israelites commanded to fight peoples because they “believe not.” The God of the Hebrew Bible is the God of the heavens and the earth; the God of the Jew and the non-Jew alike. Read the book of Jonah for example.

    Then the LORD said, “You had compassion on the plant for which you did not work and which you did not cause to grow, which came up overnight and perished overnight.

    “Should I not have compassion on Nineveh, the great city in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know the difference between their right and left hand, as well as many animals?”

    The Assyrians were Israel's inveterate enemy. Thus the reluctance on the part of Jonah to preach to Nineveh. These peoples were pagans. They did not believe in YHWH and His prophet Moses.

    Muhammad, at the mouth of Allah, commanded the believer to make war on the unbeliever; that is the one who does not believe Allah is God and Muhammad is his prophet.

  • Abdullah_Mikail

    wildjew wrote, “What about Qur'an 9:29? How can this be taken as time or space specific?”

    It is about the same people in and around that same time.

    There is no standing order anywhere in the Quran that says, “take over the world”…quite the opposite it points out that borders tribes nations are all a divine construct to prevent chaos…one nation checking another…in the Quran it says this. If it were as some dissemblers say then it would never define as such any nation tribe or state or validate their existence, would it?

    There is an order for self defense and to prepare for it, and we both know the truth to the adage, “peace is under the shade of a sword.”

    We in the US have more peace than any nation period, and because we have the biggest sword, period…and its shade extends well over and covers Israel.

    In the bible there is a direct order to the Jews to commit genocide against a people…does it really matter what the reason was?

    In any just nation, war is commanded only against those who chose it.

    I am not stating that all governments and nations have been just, either Muslim or Non-Muslim, the reality is quite the opposite.

    But governments start wars, not people like you and I.