Undermining Peace

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When I was recently in Israel for a month, I spoke to all of its political and military leaders.  The Goldstone report was very much on their minds as they contemplated the possibility of withdrawal from the West Bank.  I also discussed the Goldstone report with the Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, who acknowledged to me that by demanding that criminal charges be brought against Israel in the International Criminal Court he was simply, “playing a card.”  Well, if there is to be an end of Israel’s occupation of the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority will have to stop playing the delegetimation card.  It will have to work together with Israel to prevent a repeat in the West Bank of what happened in Gaza.  The recent claim of responsibility by Hamas for the murder of four Israelis in the West Bank does not bode well for the peace process.  It demonstrates that the Palestinian Authority has only limited control over Hamas, and that Hamas can play its “violence card” any time it chooses.

For the peace process to have any chance of success, the international community must categorically reject the Goldstone report and what it represents.  It must reaffirm Israel’s right to defend itself against attacks from territory it cedes to the Palestinians.  To its credit, the Obama Administration has rejected the Goldstone report, but it must go even further.  It must assure Israel–publically and unequivocally–that it will vigorously defend Israel’s right to protect its civilians from rocket attacks, suicide bombings and roadside shootings.  Barak Obama put it very well when, as a candidate, he visited the shelled Israeli city of Sderot and made the following statement.

“The first job of any nation state is to protect its citizens…If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I’m going to do everything in my power to stop that.  And I would expect Israel to do the same.”

That statement must become a firm basis of American policy, if and when Israel leaves the West Bank.

So “thank you” Richard Goldstone for making peace more difficult.  There are some who are proposing Goldstone for a Nobel Peace Prize.  Were he to win it, he would be in the company of Yassir Arafat, who also won the prize, before he rejected the Clinton/Barak offer which would have created a Palestinian state, with its capital in Jerusalem and with a $35 billion reparation package for the so-called refugees.  Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia was more prescient than the Nobel committee when he accused Arafat of committing a crime against peace and warning him that he was rejecting the best offer the Palestinians would ever get.  Both Goldstone and Arafat deserve a prize, but it should be awarded by Hamas and Ahmadinejad rather than by the Nobel committee.

Let us hope that the barriers to peace erected by Richard Goldstone and Yassir Arafat can be overcome at the ongoing meetings convened by the Obama Administration.  It won’t be easy.

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  • jbtrevor

    That the Goldstone Report was directed by the worlds largest anti-Israel political body aka the United Nations, should cause suspicion; that President Obama rejected it is quite interesting…

  • Beverley

    Robert we need your … "Being educated or intellectually gifted does not necessarily bestow political wisdom" … on this page. He definately betrayed his people and he also assisted the Governement that came into power in his home country South Africa. And oh boy what a Governement!!!! Makes America look like a 'tea party' excuse the pun.

  • WildJew

    Nevertheless, Professor Dershowitz heedlessly supports the establishment of a Muslim-terror state in Israel heartland, in Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Jerusalem; one dedicated to Israel's destruction.

  • Andres de Alamaya

    Jews have had a disproportionate share of Benedict Arnolds in their midst. Radicals among Israelis killed the saintly Rabin who wanted nothing but good for his people while they should have been gunning for the likes of Goldstone. You find relatively few traitors in violent cultures such as the Mafia or Islam because they know that treason brings death, which is at it should be.

    • Maria

      "Saintly" Rabin as all leftists are responsible for two intifads which killed so many innocent Jews. Oslo triggered and encouraged Islamists. There is in Fatah charter still exist proposal of so-called Palestinians to destroy Israel. I bet you don't know that it was never such a nation as "palestinians" . If you are not agree say what was capital of country of Palestine, any of their King, or whatever his title, what currency they used, etc. Do you know that League Nation's Bulfur declaration define and granted all land of Palestine and land which is now Jordan to set up Jewish state but British violated that declaration? Judaism is the most peaceful religion and Jews are the same. What whould happened if they did not win all wars with Arabs. It will be no alive Jews there at all. Why there is no Jew live in Gaza or Judea and Samaria as neighbor with Arabs of Palestine? The answer the same as why non of Christians live in Saudi Arabia or that in Bethlehem which had majority of Christians for centuries now less than 10% of them as many were killed by their heighbors Arabs and other fled to other countries to survive. Israel destiny is western civilization destiny.

      • Maria

        200000 Christians were killed by Muslims in only Darfur… Thousands Hindys were killed in India… list is endless. You think that Muslims want only annihilate Israel? They openly said many times " Israel is little Satan, US is big Satan". Next turn will be all of us and you, sure, not exemption. Wake up and read at least prominent scholar Robert Spenser's books, or former Muslim Nonni Darwish, or Orriana Felucci… On stake just our lives, lives of our children. Ignorance and our complecency support Muslims goal to conquer us, to kill the most and other make their slaves, people of second class kind of dogs.

  • AL__
  • WilliamJamesWard

    As a candidate Obama was lying through his teeth, since
    he has given millions of tax dollars to Hamas and sent
    American military advisers to train the jihadist thugs.
    There will never be peace with Islam, the players are just
    that players and the win of the game is the destruction
    of Israel and the death of all of the Jews, anything less
    is unacceptable to the Muslim aggregate who are
    subservient to the lord of evil. Israel will be safe when
    they have no one left to negotiate with……………William

  • GeorgeCurtis

    Hey Alan! What did you expect to happen when you helped to elect the most anti-Israel American President in history? Victory for the Democratic party was more important to you that Israel's (or America's) security.

    You got what you supported and what you voted for. Stop griping.

  • Wesley69

    There will be no peace unless the US deals with Iran, the sponsor of both Hamas and Hezbollah. However, any rocket attacks from the Gaza Strip or southern Lebanon, Israel needs to invade those areas and put them under military control. The world is going to scream bloody murder, but Israel is entitled to its self-defense, just like any other country. The world chooses to ignore Hamas and Hezbollah tactics. The Palestinians were fools and the rejection of the Oslo Accords proves they are devoted to violence for violence sake. The fear I have is that Obama will try to impose any settlement on Israel just to prove to the world he deserved the Nobel Peace Prize. I would not trust any of his promises. All Israel has to do is look at what he has done domestically in the US. His lies and corruption knows no bounds.

  • Beverley

    Yesterday on 'Russia Today' I watched another 'intellectually gifted but not bestowed with political wisdom." Attacking his own without regard of the consequences of his actions. Norman Finkelstein a political commentator against Dan Diker from Israel. Well Mr. Finkelstein could quote just about every UN resolution that you can think of in his argument against Israel. You would think the UN was cast in stone and that everything they do is above reproach. From what I could gather most of the resolutions he quoted from were after 1947.

    He certainly does not have any idea that God has a plan for Israel. He should read all the prophets Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, everything we are seeing today is in those books. Unfortunately the veil has not been removed.

  • Glennd1

    Of course, Dershowitz neglects to note that that Goldstone is a noted jurist of international reputation – a much better reputation than Dershowitz possesss, is a Jew and a Zionist. And still, he rejects the findings. You know, I don't understand the likes of Dershowitz, who feel the need to apologize when Israel does wrong.

    I can hold both thoughts in my head – Hamas are vicious, terrorists and killers and Zionism is a religious separatist movement that has, at a minimum, ethnically cleansed Palestinians, tortured them, killed them and denied to the Palestinians the very right they claim for themselves. Can you?

    • MixMChess

      "Zionism is a religious separatist movement that has, at a minimum, ethnically cleansed Palestinians, tortured them, killed them and denied to the Palestinians the very right they claim for themselves."

      Um, Zionism is a completely secular movement in origins and practice. Israel never ethnically cleansed or tortured Palestinians. Israel was built on vacant and tenant-free land. Palestinian populations have increased exponentially since under Israeli rule. Israel never tortured Palestinians and formally banned any form of torture in the late 90's. Israel has offered the Palestinians a state on countless occasions, most recently in 2000 at camp david. When will the Palestinians give up their xenophobia and hate and agree to live peacefully side by side with Israel?

    • ajnn

      No, "Zionism is NOT a religious separatist movement that has, at a minimum, ethnically cleansed Palestinians, tortured them, killed them and denied to the Palestinians the very right they claim for themselves".

      Theis claim and the attendant fictions cited in support are a part of a cynical and deceitful effort to undermine the legitimate rights of the israelis to live in peace without fearing for their lives every day.

      Shame on you for investing in such shameful propaganda.

    • ziontruth

      "Goldstone is a Jew and a Zionist."

      Goldstone is no Zionist. You can only collaborate so much with the enemies of Zionism (those who want Israel's defensive actions against the constant barrage of rockets coming from Gaza to be branded a war crime) until the label "Zionist" becomes more debased than the German Mark in the post-WWI years. As for being a Jew, that is of no import–the worst enemies of the Jewish people throughout history have often been Jews. He'd be just one among so many leftist Jewish quislings.

      "Zionism is a religious separatist movement"

      Zionism a nationalist movement, either secular or religious, that aims to resettle the Jews, indigenous people of the Land of Israel (Palestine), on their indigenous land.

      "that has, at a minimum, ethnically cleansed Palestinians,"

      Zionism has not ethnically cleansed PALESTINIANS; it ethnically cleansed ARABS, Arab settler-colonist invaders who launched a war (1947-9) to rob the Jewish people of the one and only land to which they are indigenous. The "Palestinian nation" (a Big Lie having the purpose of covering up the truth that the Jews are the only true Palestinian nation) was invented after that failed war.

      "and denied to the Palestinians the very right they claim for themselves."

      The Arabs are indigenous to the Arabian peninsula. The only way Jews would be stealing land from them is if the Jews were to construct settlements on the Arabian peninsula. As it happens, the Arabian nation is in possession of land far beyond its right–everything from Iraq to Morocco. But no matter, I'm not Helen Thomas, so I'm not calling for all Arabs to go back to Arabia. However, that does mean they have absolutely no legitimate grievance whatsoever regarding Palestine. There the indigenous are the Jews, and they have every right to inhabit their own land wherever they wish, and the Arab settler-colonists have no right to obstruct them.

      That is the truth.

      • Glennd1

        You admit that Jews ethnically cleansed Arabs, but it was justified? Lol, no Israeli would dare make the statement, but you go right ahead. I don't care what you call them, it's a fact that 700,000 people that lived on Israeli land were run off. Can you imagine if that happened to Jews – we would never hear the end of it but when it happens to Arabs, meh, who cares? This is why the only people who support the Zionist cause are ignorant Americans and rabid Zionists here and in Israel. There is no moral case for Zionism, but you cannot see it.

        • ziontruth

          "You admit that Jews ethnically cleansed Arabs, but it was justified?"

          Too right it was. It was either that, or another Jewish genocide a short time after WWII. The Arabs in 1947-9, much like Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran now, made their exterminationist intent very clear.

          "Lol, no Israeli would dare make the statement"

          Not true. Jews who have been indoctrinated on the false belief that "ethnic cleansing is against Jews values" don't dare make that statement, but Jews who realize the truth that the Torah is no PC screed have no trouble with it.

          "Can you imagine if that happened to Jews"

          It did–all the Jewry of the Arab countries was driven out in the course of the 1950s. Nobody cared much, and nobody in the Left does today.

          There's more: you Leftists are so high on that horse of condemning ethnic cleansing, but you advocate it for all Jews of, at the very least, Judea and Samaria ("at the very least" because a lot of people like Mrs. Thomas don't have that limit). The Left claims it's not ethnic cleansing because the "West Bank settlers" are colonists. Well, it's still ethnic cleansing, but you're arguing why it's justified. No different from me.

          "There is no moral case for Zionism"

          Zionism is as justified for Jews as Celticist revenantism is for Irish, Scots and Welsh. It is the Arab imperialist desire to stand in the way of Jewish self-determination that is bereft of a moral case.

  • Glennd1

    @MixMChess – Do you realize that you don't know the facts? Even Benny Morris, a leading Israeli historian admits that Israel drove 700,000 Palestinians out of their homes and off their lands. David Ben Gurion, Golda Meir and other's have been quoted as saying that they knew they could never build their new country with Palestinians living there. As for torture and killings – they have done both, any knowledgeable Israeli will tell you – even Dershowitz has been forced to admit to this publicly.

    You need to clear your head of the mythology that was perpetuated for 30+ yrs by Zionist apologists. These are facts, undisputed by knowledgeable people on both sides of the issus. As for Palestinians living peacefully, I think that in part, that the international communities dismissal of their legitimate claims has driven some of them mad, led by Hamas and others. They've made it their life's mission to get their homeland back – and they will do anything to see it accomplished. Their terrorism and intransigence are terrible, but I understand their complaint. How 'bout you? You want to give up your home to Jews because the U.N. says so?

    • American thinker

      Explain please what happened to the Jews living in Arab lands in 1948? As I've learned about 750,000 of them had their property seized and were driven out of their home and lands when the Arab nations declared war on the fledgling state.

      Then Arabs who abandoned their (leased) land in Israel so the invading Arab armies could wipe out the Jews and were put into camps by their Arab brothers and they became the "Palestinians". The Arab leaders then went on to perpertrate the war against the Jews who embarrassed the Arab nations by winning the war of Independence of Israel. Those Arabs who did not leave Israel became full citizens of Israel. They vote, hold government positions, live work and travel as equal Israeli citizens.

      THESE are the UNDISPUTED FACTS all HONEST people acknowledge.

      • Glennd1

        So you think capitalizing your words adds weight to them? Here are a few facts for you that Israeli scholars such as Benny Morris agree with.
        1. Jewish defense forces began cleansing the land of Palestinians 6 wks before the Arabs attacked.
        2. There were no calls for Palestinians to leave their home by Arab countries, none. There is no evidence of it.

        Even if Arabs voluntarily left their homes, does that mean that they lose them? What law applies there? It's been shown that many of the land purchases were illegitimate, based on titles issued by Turkey with no regard to Palestinians living on the land in many cases for dozens of generations.

        In any case, none of that justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from the land. The real sin is the U.N. issuing it's mandate to begin with, an arrogant act by the West that had led to unending war and violence in the region. How can the U.S. have ever supported such a stupid and oppressive idea? Oh yeah, the Zionists used money (to buy land), violence and terrorism (Urgun attacks against British and Arab) and guilt, post-holocaust to win their 60+ year Zionist campaign.

        It is you who have little grasp of the facts. You are spewing nonsense that even the most ardent defenders of Israel don't dare trot out anymore, having had it completely refuted.

        • MixMChess

          "1. Jewish defense forces began cleansing the land of Palestinians 6 wks before the Arabs attacked."

          Not true, leading up to the War THE BRITISH evacuated 6,000 Arabs from Tiberias. The Jewish Community Council immediately issued the following statement: "We did not dispossess them; they themselves chose this course….Let no citizen touch their property."

          In Haifa, Fawzi al-Qawukji organized an Arab offensive against the Jews, in which the Haganah defended and captured Haifa. A British police report the time stated that "every effort is being made by the Jews to persuade the Arab populace to stay and carry on with their normal lives, to get their shops and businesses open and to be assured that their lives and interests will be safe." In fact, David Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir tried to persuade the Arab residents of Haifa to stay and become equal citizens in Israel. Of course, the Arab residents rejected this fearing being judged traitors to the Arab cause.

          Subsequently the Israeli army ordered that "Arab towns and villages were not to be demolished or burned, and that Arab inhabitants were not to be expelled from their homes."

          "2. There were no calls for Palestinians to leave their home by Arab countries, none. There is no evidence of it. "

          Wow, you really are delusional… Even your icon Benny Morris admits that Arab leaders encouraged their brethren to leave. "The Arab National Committee in Jerusalem, following the March 8, 1948, instructions of the Arab Higher Committee, ordered women, children and the elderly in various parts of Jerusalem to leave their homes: 'Any opposition to this order…is an obstacle to the holy war…and will hamper the operations of the fighters in these districts' (Middle Eastern Studies, January 1986)."

          Morris also said that the Arab Legion ordered the evacuation of all women and children from the town of Beisan and that The Arab Liberation Army ordered the evacuation of another village south of Haifa. Morris states:, "Such two-tier evacuation — women and children first, the men following weeks later — occurred in Qumiya in the Jezreel Valley, among the Awarna bedouin in Haifa Bay and in various other places."

          Monsignor George Hakim, a Greek Orthodox Catholic Bishop of Galilee stated that the Arab leaders promised "that the Arab Armies would crush the 'Zionist gangs' very quickly and that there was no need for panic or fear of a long exile."

          A Jordanian newspaper interviewing a so-called refugee reported that: "The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in."

          Need I really go on?

        • MixMChess

          "Even if Arabs voluntarily left their homes, does that mean that they lose them? What law applies there?"

          Yes, International law applies. Abandoning your home is effectively disclaiming any interest in it and leaving it to the state that has control over that territory. Additionally, under international law it is perfectly legal to acquire land in a DEFENSIVE war as Israel did in 1948. Had the Arabs just accepted living next to Jews this could have been avoided and we could be celebrating the annual birthdays of Israel and Palestine!

          "It's been shown that many of the land purchases were illegitimate, based on titles issued by Turkey with no regard to Palestinians living on the land in many cases for dozens of generations."

          Even if we accepted your lie that the land purchases were illegitimate, it wouldn't matter since the early Zionists went out of their way to purchase vacant and tenant-free land to specifically avoid displacing any local Arab populations.

          "In any case, none of that justifies the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from the land."

          And Israelis never engaged in any ethnic cleansing so this is a moot point.

          "The real sin is the U.N. issuing it's mandate to begin with, an arrogant act by the West that had led to unending war and violence in the region."

          The UN issued a mandate giving the Jews a land in the Jewish majority areas. The real sin is the Arab refusal to accept a Jewish state and promptly invading and attempting to commit genocide against the poor Israelis.

          "Oh yeah, the Zionists used money (to buy land), violence and terrorism (Urgun attacks against British and Arab) and guilt, post-holocaust to win their 60+ year Zionist campaign."

          Keep drinking the Pali-Nazi kool-aid.

    • ajnn

      1. Even Benny Morris does not believe Benny Morris any longer.

      2. The majority of the displaced Arabs were recent immigrants INTO Israel. Please note: in the year 1900 there were less than 60,000 people living in Jerusalem and 2/3 were Jewish. In the 19th century, the smaller villages and towns were de-populated by poor farming conditions ('year without a summer'', etc) and more than 80% of the population lived in the three large cities – Haifa (65% Arab, Jerusalem 65% Jewish, and Safed 80% Jewish).

      The arabs were largely recent immigrants who, quite reasonably, returned to their countries of origen (Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan) when war came in 1947.

      People everywhere else leave war zones, why would the Arabs be different?

      • Glennd1

        Here are the facts:
        The 1948 Palestinian exodus, also known as Nakba (Arabic: النكبة‎, an-Nakbah), meaning the "disaster", "catastrophe", or "cataclysm" occurred when approximately 725,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes, during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War and the Civil War that preceded it. The term "Nakba" was first used in this way by Syrian historian Constantine Zureiq in his 1948 book, Ma'na al-Nakba (The Meaning of the Disaster). According to Ilan Pappe, the term Nakba was adopted "as an attempt to counter the moral weight of the Jewish Holocaust (Shoa)".
        Nur-eldeen Masalha writes that over 80 percent of the Arab inhabitants of the area that became Israel left their towns and villages.Jewish advances, such as that on Haifa, fears of a massacre after Deir Yassin, and a collapse in Palestinian leadership caused many to leave out of panic, while some of those who remained were expelled by Jewish soldiers or, later, the Israeli government.

        A series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes, or claiming their property. They and many of their descendants remain refugees.
        During the 1949 Lausanne conference, Israel proposed allowing 100,000 of the refugees to return to the area, though not necessarily to their homes, including 25,000 who had returned surreptitiously and 10,000 family-reunion cases.[8] The proposal was conditional on a peace treaty that would allow Israel to retain the territory it had taken, and on the Arab states absorbing the remaining 550,000–650,000 refugees. The Arab states rejected the proposal on both moral and political grounds.
        The status of the refugees, and in particular whether they have a right to return to their homes or be compensated, are key issues in the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The events of 1948 are commemorated by Palestinians every May 15, on what has become known as Nakba Day.

        This basic account of the facts is indisputable and accepted as truth by both Israeli and Arab scholars. Don't believe the mythology – the Palestinians did not leave their homes voluntarily.

        • MixMChess

          The Nakba is just another fabricated term by the Palestinians that go along with all the other lies about what actually happened in 1948. As I have proven in my previous posts, the Israelis urged Arabs to stay in the land. The majority of Arabs that fled, did so at the urging of Arab states so that they could "push the Jews into the sea."

          Deir Yassin was actually a fabricated massacre by the Arab states to catalyze local Arab residents to rise up and attack the Jews. Of course the lies backfired and Arabs fled in fear rather than taking up arms. Like most Palestinian claims, this was a "deliberate propaganda ploy." Hazam Nusseibi, who worked for the Palestine Broadcasting Service in 1948, admitted to the BBC that he fabricated the atrocity claims at Deir Yassin: "We have to say [there is rape], so the Arab armies will come to liberate Palestine from the Jews."

          "A series of laws passed by the first Israeli government prevented them from returning to their homes, or claiming their property."

          Wrong, in 1950 Israel agreed to repatriate 300,000 so-called refugees and the Arab states rejected this. Remember the three no's.

          "This basic account of the facts is indisputable and accepted as truth by both Israeli and Arab scholars."

          Indisputable to whom, a crank like Ilan Pappe? Please, the evidence is clear that Arabs, who were newer settlers to the area than Jews, willingly left their homes so that the Arab armies could victoriously execute another genocide of the Jews. When this didn't happen, they whined about it for 60+ years and made fabricated claims to try to steal Israeli land.

    • MixMChess

      Glenn, it's obvious that you have no knowledge of even the basic facts of Israeli and middle eastern history.

      No more than 650,000 Palestinian Arabs could have become refugees, however a report by the UN Mediator on Palestine that there were only approximately 472,000 refugees. Still, the Israeli's did not "drive out" the Arabs. David Ben Gurion, Golda Meir and other Israeli leaders BEGGED the Arabs to stay and become part of their country:

      The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal on October 2, 1947:

      "We will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both [Jews and Arabs]. It is now, here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals."

      Also, Israel's proclamation of Independence urged the Arabs to stay in Israel and become equal citizens in the new state. Of course the Arab states rejected this, and encouraged Arabs to flee so that they could "push the Jews into the sea."

      "As for torture and killings – they have done both, any knowledgeable Israeli will tell you – even Dershowitz has been forced to admit to this publicly."

      As I stated before, Israel formally banned torture in 1999. Care for another lie?

      "As for Palestinians living peacefully, I think that in part, that the international communities dismissal of their legitimate claims has driven some of them mad, led by Hamas and others."

      That's just it, Palestinians have no legitimate claims to the land of Israel. Most of the Palestinian Arabs were newer to the land than the Jews. Even still, Palestinians refusal for repatriation (in 1950) and constant refusal for peace ( in 1967, 1973, 1993, 2000… need I really go on?) have disqualified them from any further claims to land.

      "How 'bout you? You want to give up your home to Jews because the U.N. says so?"

      This isn't at all what happened, the Jews built Israel on legally purchased, vacant and TENANT=FREE land. During the mandate period the UN partition the land so that the Jews could make Israel in the Jewish majority areas. Of course, the Arabs rejected this and promptly invaded Israel forcing it to defend itself. No one gave up their homes, and those who did, did so willingly.

      The real question is why are we so gung-ho with creating another Islamofacist state in the Middle East? I would gladly wake up to a Palestinian state the minute they give up their hate. When will the Palestinians give up their xenophobia and hatred and be willing to live in peace?