The Iran-Hamas Connection


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On a military level, Iran provides Hamas fighters with top military training and instruction from the commanders of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). The Islamic Republic also engages in delivering weapons in single components to the Sinai, paying the Sinai Bedouins for transferring the weapons through the Gaza tunnels.

The results of the Iran-Hamas connection were revealed this past summer when Egyptian police took control of nine weapons caches across hideouts the Sinai Peninsula. The weapons caches, which were hidden in Rafah city and the port city, Al-Arish, were about to be smuggled into the Gaza Strip.

Nearly 200 anti-aircraft missiles, 90 artillery shells, 200 bullets of varying sizes and anti-tank landmines, machine guns and ammunitions were among the weapons found according to the Palestinian Ma’an news agency. Egyptian security also seized 100 kilograms of TNT explosives from a hideout in a Rafah cemetery as well as 500 smuggling tunnels. The large number of missiles indicates that Palestinian terror groups in Gaza may possess a higher number of projectiles than originally assumed.

Both Iran and Syria continue to be the chief sources for weapons bound for the Gaza Strip, as Hamas builds a stockpile of rockets targeting close to one million Israelis in range.

But readers of the Newsweek article (June 1), “Gaza is about Butter, Not Guns,” by Dan Ephron, would have gained a completely different understanding of this situation. Ephron highlights, what is in his view, are the economic benefits that Israel elicits from the blockade, while completely downplaying any security threats that Gaza terror groups pose to Israelis.

And the threats are very real. This past September alone, the number of Gaza rocket attacks on southern Israel sharply increased, with close to 20 Qassams and mortar rockets fired at residential areas in the western Negev and Ashkelon. One rocket struck between two day-care centers in on a southern Israeli kibbutz in the morning on September 12, right before children were scheduled to arrive. No one was injured although one nursery sustained damages.

As articles blaming Israel for failed Mideast peace continue to stream into the headlines, it is clear that the Mideast reality will continue just as it always has– with Iran as an increasing mobilizing force. With statements like that of Ahmed Jaabari, the leader of Hamas’ military wing, who threatened a wave of violence intended to derail the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian peace talks just two weeks ago, Israelis have no choice but to prepare themselves for war. For Israel, terror and war are always a few steps behind peace, whether mainstream media chooses to document this angle or not.

Anav Silverman, a native of Maine, writes from Jerusalem, Israel where she is an educator at Hebrew University’s Secondary School of Education. She also works as an international correspondent at Sderot Media Center: www.SderotMedia.org.il and has written for the BBC, Jerusalem Post, FrontPageMagazine, The Philadelphia Bulletin, The Huffington Post and other publications

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  • walugano

    Thanks for your informative report. Just to encourage you that you are not alone in this battle for some of us who though in the lands afar have been fortunate to be in the know how about Israel are as well actively engaged in telling apart facts from deceits to both the critics and the clueless around us.

  • aspacia

    It is the Arab culture, honor, antiJewish bigotry which disallows peace. Iran is a recent player in the conflict.

    • John

      The facts are are incorrect. It is Israel that has savaged all its neighbors with free US weaponry and aid since 1947 of $80 billion/year (includes tax-exemptions for Imperial genocide-committing Israel, weaponry, technology transfer, selling Israeli War Bonds in US etc). As an American I resent my tax money being used to oppress Arabs, Moslems, Christians and Easterners! Enough already. It is not the Arabs who 'occupied' the countries of others but Israel that usurped Palestinian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian and Lebanese land since since even before the unjust support of Jew H. Solomon Truman and exhibitionist part-Jew Churchill to Israel. All US Presidents, but JFK, since 1,900 were converted Jews or have Jew blood. In 1936 there were less than 30,000 elderly religious Jews and they were treated by Arabs better than their own. Enough lies!

      • aspacia

        LOL, you are so wrong. Arabs started the violence long before Israel's creation. Read about the Hebron Massacre.

        The term Palestinian only recently has been applied to Arabs; previously it was applied to the land of the Jews.

        No, not lies, but facts. Read some valid history John.

      • MixMChess

        "As an American I resent my tax money being used to oppress Arabs, Moslems, Christians and Easterners! "

        As an American, I resent my tax money being used to give millions in aid to the worthless Palestinians who have willfully murdered countless Americans, Jews and Christians. I also resent the Arab/Islamic bloc providing the Palestinians with billions in aid with the specific goal of murdering Jews.

        "Enough already. It is not the Arabs who 'occupied' the countries of others but Israel that usurped Palestinian, Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian and Lebanese land"

        How does one usurp their own land?

        " since since even before the unjust support of Jew H. Solomon Truman and exhibitionist part-Jew Churchill to Israel. All US Presidents, but JFK, since 1,900 were converted Jews or have Jew blood."

        Wow, Rick Sanchez is that you?

        " In 1936 there were less than 30,000 elderly religious Jews and they were treated by Arabs better than their own. Enough lies! "

        John you really have no clue what you're talking about. Census figures from 1936 suggest that there were just under 400,000 Jews in "mandate" Palestine. Perhaps you would look less like a moron if stopped swallowing the Aryan nation propaganda and

  • muchiboy

    "did not point out was that that for many Palestinians, settlement construction is a major part of their livelihood and that many are currently out of work due to the freeze."

    This is truly a bizarre observation given the context of the conflict.Somewhat analogous to showing how slavery benefited the Negroes by giving them jobs in the cotton fields.Muchiboy

    • stern

      Actually muchiboy, there's a huge difference. Slaves were owned by the people who owned the land. The Palestinians are not owned by anybody (except, perhaps, Iran). Slaves were not paid for their work. The Palestinians are. Slaves had no choice in whether or not to work, the Palestinians do. So if anything is bizarre, muchiboy, it's your take on reality, clouded as it is by rank anti-Semitism.

      • Quinterius

        When you are starving and the economy is stifled by the occupiers, you are essentially a slave. Do you want the Palestinians to commit suicide?

        • stern

          Quinterious, you need to read more widely. You would discover that far from being "stifled", the economy of the West Bank is booming, with a growth rate higher than just about any country in the world right now. As for Gaza, they're being stifled by Hamas, not Israel. Yet despite that fact, prices in Gaza are surprisingly low. For example, gas costs less there than it does in Egypt. Surprised, yes?

    • jacob

      Muchiboy :

      Your stupidity matches your bias in your unfortunate comparison, showing yoo are not thinking precisely with yor brain but actually with a diametrically opposed part of your anatomy…

      Are you aware mof how much do Arabs depend on work in and from Israel and that every time disturbs force crossing closings, there is no food at the other side ??
      Are yo aware , my dear mud slinger, what was Arabs standard of living before Jews
      returned to Palestine ??
      Then if you don't know and and are just parroting what the abject media shamelessly sold to Arab money says, remember that anybody can thorow mud, (for lack of the right word), against the wall but only the experts can make it stick…and neither they nor you are any such experts

  • muchiboy

    "The first West Bank team in Israel’s amateur American football league, which includes Israeli settlers and Palestinians,"

    Sure,there are good people everywhere,and it would be a good story anywhere.There are other examples of Israelis and Palestinians working and playing together.It would be worrying if these remarkable associations did not exist.

    "In truth, the staggering problems facing the Middle East peace process have nothing to do with Israeli Russians, nor with the settler community.

    The obstacles have all to do with the rising nuclear power of Iran .."

    "Nothing to do with Russians"….WRONG,WRONG,WRONG.This has everything to do with Russian,French,American,Black Ethiopian Jewish settlers who are granted right of return to Palestinian land.What arrogance,ignorance and just plain disgraceful lies!
    Muchiboy

    • stern

      In other words, muchiboy, you believe that all of Israel is "Palestinian land"? That's what this post says. Which is really strange, considering that when Israel was created, there was no such thing as a "Palestinian nation", and therefore no such thing as land belonging to "Palestinians". But then again, there isn't really much point in reminding bigots like you of the facts, is there?

      • ziontruth

        "In other words, muchiboy, you believe that all of Israel is 'Palestinian land'?"

        A revelation, hmmm? I remember when I first realized this terrible fact about the anti-Zionists: that they believe that the only right Jews have in Palestine is to be tourists.

        Anti-Zionists are overwhelmingly maximalist in their denial of Jewish connections to and rights in Palestine. This is why all good Jews should be maximalist in the opposite regard. One Jewish State, including Judea, Samaria and Gaza, with the Arab settler-colonists invaders booted out!

    • aspacia

      Actually, Israel won the land fair and square after the 67 embargo. Israel should keep every inch of land, pay compensation, and expel every Muslim from Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

      The Arabs already hate Israel, so what can they lose? International respect. Nope, the Europeans are afraid of Muslims, hence their support of the violent Muslims.

      Watch UN Watch for insight regarding their discrimination against Israel. I said watch, because you probably do not read the numerous reasons to support Israel post on line.

  • muchiboy

    "The obstacles have all to do with the rising nuclear power of Iran…"

    Iran has its own agenda,no doubt.But so too does Hamas,and it likely has more to do with the horrid history of past Zionist occupation,colonization and continuing and present day ethnic cleansing ,then any ideology,which doubtless plays a part.
    Politics makes for strange bedfellows,and Hamas needs funds,support, training and arms to continue its righteous and legitimate struggle against Israel and Zionism.At the same time,the use of indiscriminate suicide bombings targeting innocent Israelis has to be condemned,as does the indiscriminate use of deadly and disproportionate lethal force by the IDF against the Palestinian people. Muchiboy

    • stern

      "present day ethnic cleansing"? Of course, you're referring to the fact that Abbas has openly stated that any new Palestinian state will not allow a single Jewish resident? Or perhaps the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza in 2005? You must be, because there is no other "present day ethnic cleansing" at all.

    • ziontruth

      "Iran has its own agenda,no doubt."

      Iran really shouldn't be an enemy of Israel at all. The reason it is this way is Islam. There is no other explanation (no common border, no historical grievances, nothing).

      "But so too does Hamas,and it likely has more to do with the horrid history of past Zionist occupation,colonization and continuing and present day ethnic cleansing ,then any ideology,which doubtless plays a part."

      More like, Arab imperialism (=Islam), which cannot tolerate the idea that a single inch of land once under Islam could be return to its previous non-Muslim owners.

      "…and Hamas needs funds,support, training and arms to continue its righteous and legitimate struggle…"

      Yep. Support those who raise their own kids to be suicide-bombers. The face of anti-Zionism.

      "…he use of indiscriminate suicide bombings targeting innocent Israelis has to be condemned,as does the indiscriminate use of deadly and disproportionate lethal force by the IDF…"

      Not equivalent. Hamas target civilians deliberately; the IDF hits civilians accidentally because Hamas puts them in the line of fire, to garner exactly the sympathy you display toward them.

  • muchiboy

    "rising nuclear power of Iran…"

    There is no room for another nuclear armed nation,especially in the volatile middle east,and especially in a country where fundamentalism is in conflict with modernity.
    That said,Israel has a large nuclear arsenal and is a noted human rights abuser as well as guilty of large scale ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.One might say that what is good for the goose(Zionists) is good for the gander(Fundamentalist Mullahs).With the nuclear sword of Iran poised at its cities perhaps the Israelis may be more likely to give the Palestinian people what they deserve in any settlement instead of the crumbs it has offered to date. And perhaps in any future attacks on the Palestinian people the Israelis will refrain from its past war crimes and crimes against humanity with a nuclear armed Hamas friendly Iran nearby.
    Muchiboy

    • ziontruth

      "Israel has a large nuclear arsenal and is a noted human rights abuser as well as guilty of large scale ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people."

      The Jews are the Palestinian people; so-called "Palestinians" are nothing but Arab settler-colonist invaders illegally occupying the land of the indigenous Palestinians, the Jews.

  • muchiboy

    "But then again, there isn't really much point in reminding bigots like you of the facts, is there? "

    Maybe not,but dialogue is preferable to the alternative,mostly anyway.I see you engage in dialogue.Me,too.

    "you believe that all of Israel is "Palestinian land"? That's what this post says. Which is really strange, considering that when Israel was created, there was no such thing as a "Palestinian nation…..bigots like you of the facts, is there? "

    If there was no such thing as a Palestinian nation at that time,and I will leave that for another day and others,there certainly was a Palestinian nation after the fact.Paradoxically,the re-creation of Israel after nearly two thousand years was the single traumatic event that gave rise to a Palestinian nation.Interesting,eh?And given your mean spirited and self serving comments and observations regarding the Palestinians,I have to wonder who the bigot is.
    As for believing that all of Israel is Palestinian land,let me put it this way,Stern;I believe there is no land in Israel where the Palestinian people do not belong nor have the right to live.And given the unique history of Jews,including the Western ( persecuted ) and Mid Eastern,I believe there should be a place for them as well.If I were Palestinian,when the dust has settled and all is said and done,I would want the Jews and the benefits they bring to any society.
    I lived and fought in Rhodesia until independence.I seen how a beautiful country could be built by combining the strengths of all peoples,African,European,Asian and mixed race.Later I seen how that could all be threatened by short sightedness,corruption and failed polices.In the end,the ruling black elite turned on the white farmers and the progressive blacks resulting in a ruined economy and a failed state.I would want more for Israel and the Palestinians.Muchiboy

    • stern

      Gee Muchiboy, how generous of you to say that there would be a place for Jews in your made-up country of Palestine (even though Abbas would disagree with you). However, what you ignore, is that there is a place for Arabs in the very real and democratic state of Israel. And those Arabs who happen to be Israeli citizens enjoy more rights than Arabs anywhere else. I will admit that there is some discrimination when you compare them to the Jews of Israel, but it's hardly debilitating. What's more, Israel frequently provides FREE health care to Gazans, especially Gazan children – despite the fact that it is under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to provide that kind of support to its enemies.

      Also, I'm most interested to discover that you hail from "Rhodesia" and fought for it. Under Smith, no doubt. Which goes a long way towards explaining your thinking. Once a racist, always a racist, it would seem.

      • muchiboy

        "democratic state of Israel."

        Until the undemocratic Zionist state of Israel recognizes the legitimate, stolen and unfulfilled rights of the Palestinian people,any claim to a "democratic Israel" is a lie.It is analogous to the apartheid South African or the Rhodesian claims to be democracies.At best,the ruling white elites were the sole beneficiaries of such a qualified democracy.How Israel can call itself a democracy while denying the Palestinians their birth right and homeland while nickle and diming them on land is nothing short of unconscionable.Muchiboy

    • Stephen_Brady

      If we're all bigots, and there's no point in reminding us of anything, why don't you go away?

      • stern

        Because, Stephen Brady, there is a point in refuting your BS, for anyone who's willing to open their minds to reality. muchiboy and Quinterious (and, it would seem, you) already have firmly closed minds, which is what makes it pointless to argue with you.

    • aspacia

      LOL, South Africa, and most of the independent African nations, especially Zimbabwe, are nonfunctioning, racist lands.

  • Quinterius

    What horrors. The US gives $3B just in arms to Israel (a terrorist state) per year and everybody complains about some small aid that Iran gives to Hamas which has not had any real "terrorist" activity for years. There have been no Hamas suicide bombers for many years and the harmless rockets by dissident groups (mostly not even affiliated with Hamas) have not harmed any Israelis for six years (except for four who died during last year's massacre of 1,400 Gazans by Israel). The hypocrisy is astounding.

    • stern

      Quinterius, what are you smoking? Hamas has not had any real terrorist activity for years? As the self-proclaimed "government" of Gaza, Hamas is 100% responsible for rockets aimed at civilian Israel populations. You may think those rockets are "harmless", but you don't have them falling around you. Pay a visit to Sderot and talk to the people before you make your idiotic judgments.
      Oh, and how much does the US give Egypt?
      Oh, and what about the fact that Israel is obliged to spend most of the $3B on purchases from the US defence industry, thus creating American jobs?
      Quinterious, you and muchiboy belong together.

      • Quinterius

        Stern: Show me the evidence that the Hamas rockets have harmed any Israelis. In contrast, Israel practically every day kills a few Palestinians with their advanced weapons that they get gratis from the US. It does not matter where they buy the weapons from. So, you justify the killing of Palestinians because it creates jobs for some Americans. That is really pathetic.

        For your information, since 2001 only about 30 Israelis have died in ALL conflicts with the Palestinians. Just the Gaza massacre last year led to the slaughter of 1,400 Palestinians by Israel. You have no sense of proportion. Israel is the biggest terrorist state in the world. Well, maybe second after the US.

        • stern

          Quinterius, why don't YOU try living with rockets flying into your neighbourhood on a daily basis and see whether you develop any psychological side effects. See how long before you start wanting your government to retaliate, even if the rockets haven't killed you – yet.

          And then answer this: If the rockets stopped, there would be no reason for Israel to do anything at all. Which, in fact, is exactly what has happened. Since going into Gaza two years ago and by doing so, dramatically reducing the number of rockets, Israel has done nothing more than bomb a few smuggling tunnels in retaliation for attacks, or take out some terrorists trying to infiltrate from Gaza.

          Interesting that you choose 2001 as your starting point, not counting the more than 1,000 Israelis who died in terror attacks just the year before, after Arafat turned down the offer at Camp David.

          Interesting also that you keep talking about the "slaughter" of 1,400 Palestinians, ignoring the fact that detailed research has shown that at least 800 of those (and most likely a whole lot more) were quite clearly terrorists. And how do you tell the difference, when the terrorists dress like civilians and hide behind women and children?

          But the main point that refutes all your garbage is the simple fact that if your favourite terrorist horrors actually stopped trying to kill Israelis and eradicate Israel, there would be no further fighting. In other words, they started it, and they can end it any time they like.

          Of course, I know that none of this will change your mind. Your last two sentences tell us exactly what kind of (tiny) mind we're dealing with.

          • Quinterius

            Your ad hominem attacks simply show a low level of education and limited intelligence. Just name calling is not going to prove your case. I asked you for evidence that any Hamas rockets have harmed Israelis during the last few years. You have nothing.

            For five years before the Gaza massacre (yes, massacre) ZERO Israelis had been killed or injured. However, because some Israelis were being kept awake at night, 1,400 Palestinians had to be murdered, not to say anything about dropping white phosphorus and using children as shields. Where did you get your data about 800 militants? Of course, from Israel, right? Well according to Amnesty International, at least 300 children were among the dead and thousands were left homeless. The 800 figure is nonsense. Here is the link:

            http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGMDE1

            So, for keeping a few Israelis awake at night, it is OK by you to kill 300 children and even if I accept your figure, a total of 600 civilians were killed and thousand left homeless. And, that is OK with you. You are a barbarian worse than the Nazis. There is no point in continuing this idiotic discussion. You can pour out your venom as much as you want. I guess Israeli propaganda and US media brainwashing really works.

          • stern

            Quinterius, the only thing I agree with you is that there is no point in continuing this discussion. You are a bigot, a pig and a low life.

          • MixMChess

            "For five years before the Gaza massacre (yes, massacre) ZERO Israelis had been killed or injured."

            Wrong, at least 19 Israelis were killed by rocket fire prior to Operation Cast Lead (which was not a massacre in any sense of the word).

            "1,400 Palestinians had to be murdered, not to say anything about dropping white phosphorus and using children as shields."

            No, the more accurate figure is at roughly 1,100. And the vast majority of those killed were terrorists intent on murdering Israeli civilians. Its tragic that civilians were killed, but perhaps if Hamas didn't use civilians and children as human shields and deliberately attack Israel from schools and hospitals, civilian casualties could have been avoided. Too bad Hamas are a bunch of cowards that are obsessed with killing children, including their own.

            Israel's use of white phosphorous was completely legal and compliant with international standards of warfare, even the international red cross agreed. Perhaps you're confused, Israel never used human shields, that is the main tactic of Hamas. Get your facts straight.

            "Where did you get your data about 800 militants? Of course, from Israel, right? Well according to Amnesty International, at least 300 children were among the dead and thousands were left homeless. The 800 figure is nonsense."

            Amnesty International employs Hamas government officials in Gaza and received its figures from those said Hamas officials. Gee, I wonder if Hamas gave Amnesty accurate figures? Amnesty rejected any testimony or evidence from Israeli sources. Biased? You bet.

            "So, for keeping a few Israelis awake at night, it is OK by you to kill 300 children and even if I accept your figure, a total of 600 civilians were killed and thousand left homeless."

            As expected, your figures are way off. Even still, Israel's actions are completely justified. Art. 51 of the UN Charter gives every nation the right to act in self-defense against armed attacks.

            Just look at what law Professor Alan Dershowitz has to say: “The claim that Israel has violated the principle of proportionality — by killing more Hamas terrorists than the number of Israeli civilians killed by Hamas rockets — is absurd. First, there is no legal equivalence between the deliberate killing of innocent civilians and the deliberate killings of Hamas combatants. Under the laws of war, any number of combatants can be killed to prevent the killing of even one innocent civilian. Second, proportionality is not measured by the number of civilians actually killed, but rather by the risk posed. This is illustrated by what happened on Tuesday (December 30, 2008), when a Hamas rocket hit a kindergarten in Beer Sheva, though no students were there at the time. Under international law, Israel is not required to allow Hamas to play Russian roulette with its children’s lives.”

            "You are a barbarian worse than the Nazis."

            No sir, you and your Pali-Nazi brethren are the rightful heirs to Nazism. Get a clue.

        • MixMChess

          "Show me the evidence that the Hamas rockets have harmed any Israelis."

          Quinterius, you're an idiot… from 2002-2008 Hamas rockets have caused at least 19 Israeli civilians and injured and maimed thousands of others.

          "So, you justify the killing of Palestinians because it creates jobs for some Americans."

          Did you even read Stern's comment? Or are you just putting words in his mouth to justify your idiocy? Israel gets military aid to PROTECT its citizens from murder. Hamas gets aid to MURDER innocent Israelis. Big difference moron.

    • aspacia

      Right, try running to a shelter every time there is a rocket launch from Gaza and the West Bank. Try living like that.

  • muchiboy

    "Somewhat analogous .."

    Sure there are differences,Stern,it's only an analogy.Sometimes reading between the lines can be useful.Muchiboy

    • stern

      Muchiboy, the differences are so big, they render your analogy completely inapplicable. You can't twist an apple into an orange, no matter how hard you try.

  • liberation08

    thank you for the article. it's very informative and i greatly appreciate that it's fact-based

  • muchiboy

    "cannot tolerate the idea that a single inch of land once under Islam could be return to its previous non-Muslim owners.." …….

    ……….after a thousand year hiatus.Wonder why?

    • aspacia

      Jews purchased the land, and most of the Middle-East has new boundaries since WWI

    • ziontruth

      Irrelevant. The Muslims think the same way about Spain, with no such hiatus.

  • muchiboy

    "Nations are not created that way…"

    Like it or not, ziontruth, the Palestinian people are a nation, and the trauma of Zionist occupation and colonization is partially responsible.Denial and paranoia seem to be a part of the Jewish psyche now-a-days,unfortunately replacing the laudable but past Jewish tradition of liberalism and critical thinking and analysis.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "Like it or not, ziontruth, the Palestinian people are a nation, and the trauma of Zionist occupation and colonization is partially responsible."

      Any supposed trauma by the Palestinians is self-inflicted.

      "Denial and paranoia seem to be a part of the Jewish psyche now-a-days,unfortunately replacing the laudable but past Jewish tradition of liberalism and critical thinking and analysis."

      Oh I forgot, you're hatred against Jews has morphed into a hatred of modern Jews but an admiration for old dead Jews.

      • ziontruth

        (contd.)

        "unfortunately replacing the laudable but past Jewish tradition of liberalism and critical thinking and analysis."

        You know just as much about Jewish traditions as about the Middle East conflict.

        Judaism has no tradition of liberalism–the Jewish ideal is to strive to do HaShem's bidding with all one's might. There is free will, otherwise no one could be justly rewarded or punished, but the use of one's free will to disobey HaShem is an abuse of it.

        Judaism has no tradition of critical thinking–the Torah is to be accepted without criticism, without entertaining the thought that it might not be Divine Writ. Of the commandment, "and that ye go not about after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go astray" (Numbers 15:39) Maimonides explains that "going astray after your heart" means thinking thoughts of unbelief.

        The Jews are not obligated toward ideals of the Enlightenment. In fact, Orthodox Jewish rabbis ever since the 18th century have viewed the Enlightenment negatively.

    • ziontruth

      "Like it or not, ziontruth, the Palestinian people are a nation"

      There needs to be positive (repeat: positive) evidence for that, not mere self-definition. Otherwise I could just get with a couple hundred people I know to call ourselves a nation and demand all the rights thereof. The world would become a madhouse. (Not that it's so far from it, but still…)

      "Denial and paranoia seem to be a part of the Jewish psyche now-a-days,…"

      Denial is exactly the word for this Big Lie in which the ancient Jewish nation, with its rich and inextricable history in Palestine, is made out to be a colonialist invader, while the local Arabs, many of whom are descendants of new arrivals in the early 20th century (when all of a sudden the desolate land described by Kitchener, Stanley and Twain began to bloom), are portrayed as "indigenous." This is a more atrocious denial than Holocaust Denial, denying not what happened 70 years ago but a history of thousands of years!

      As for paranoia, I remember one Jewish, Zionist poster on DailyKKKos who brought them evidence (from a lot of sources, not least MEMRI) that the Phakestinians want to finish Hitler's work (God forbid), and he was shouted down as a (you guessed it) "raaaaacist." It occurs to me someone who brought similar warnings about Mein Kampf 75 years ago would have been shouted down just the same, but at least 75 years ago they had an excuse–no one could imagine such a thing. But what excuse now? Call it "raaaaacism," call it bigotry, call it paranoia, I don't care–I call it erring on the side of caution, and it's always justified.

      (contd.)

  • muchiboy

    "you hail from "Rhodesia" and fought for it. Under Smith, no doubt. Which goes a long way towards explaining your thinking. Once a racist, always a racist, it would seem. "

    Maybe so,stern.At the time I was in Rhodesia,relations with Israel and white ruled (racist) southern Africa were pretty cozy.I recall when I first flew in Huey choppers being told that sand in the engine parts was a problem,and later learned they were from Israel.Politics makes for strange bedfellows,eh,stern.
    Now as medics we used to be compared and quite favorable to the Israeli combat medics (by my beloved Jewish Lt.Strauss(Go Well,Sir).Interestingly,Rhodesians would say how better off they would have been if they had done what the Israelis had done,cleansed the Palestinians from Israel,resulting in a Jewish majority.I am proud of the standards of Rhodesians in not having gone down that path.Clearly,they were morally superior in that respect and how they fought the war.I will always be proud of my service to that tiny but proud nation and with her honorable,capable armed forces.
    Ron Grant,ex Rhodesian Air Force,Army

    • aspacia

      The Rhodesians are calling for the ethnic cleansing of all whites at the moment.

    • MixMChess

      "Maybe so,stern.At the time I was in Rhodesia,relations with Israel and white ruled (racist) southern Africa were pretty cozy."

      France, Poland and other other nations also had cozy relations with S. Africa, whats you're point? Lets look at who the Palestinians are cozy with shall we? Palestinians have long been cozy with Nazis and now Neo-Nazi groups. Lest we forget, that the grand Mufti was good friends with Hitler and implored Hitler to build death camps in Israel to ethnically cleanse the Jews. Who else are the Palestinians cozy with? Hmmm… theocratic and anti-gay Iran, xenophobic Saudi Arabia, Anti-Christian Egypt, and countless other repressive, backwards, autocratic and human rights abusing Islamic/Arab regimes. Palestinians sure do have strange bedfellows eh Ron?

      "Rhodesians would say how better off they would have been if they had done what the Israelis had done,cleansed the Palestinians from Israel,resulting in a Jewish majority."

      But that's just it, Israel never ethnically cleansed Palestinians. Where is your proof, oh I forgot you have none… do you repeat these lies because you're embarrassed that the facts don't support your claims and accusations or are you just feeling sorry for yourself?

  • Choi

    "Muchiboy" ,
    YOU L-O-S-T YOUR COUNTRY!
    BET YOU'RE PROUD OF THAT.
    THE JEWS WILL NOT LOSE ISRAEL.
    And you're a JEW-HATING TROLL,to boot.

    • muchiboy

      "YOU L-O-S-T YOUR COUNTRY! "

      Preferable to losing one's soul,Choi.Among my many sins,participating in ethnic cleansing is not one of them.Rhodesians have little to be ashamed of,unlike Israelis.They had the guts and moral integrity to settle the land and share the country with the Africans.Smiths intent was to have a prosperous nation for everyone,African and European alike.It was the regrettable failure of the ruling black elite that made that an impossible dream.Throughout and after the war ,Ian Smith was respected by black and white alike.Tells you something.It must be that the Europeans had a long history of self rule and relations with other countries,compared to the Jews who last ruled a barbaric biblical state.That is the only reason I can think of to explain the primitive and immoral rule of a modern middle eastern nation.The Jews should never have been entrusted with their own state,not when another,vulnerable people were at risk.The mistake should be corrected,for the sake of their victims,the Palestinian people.Either bring the Jews home,or else place European and American peacemakers within the country to monitor and mentor her behavior. Until then,Israel needs to be isolated from the Western democracies.Her real place is among the undemocratic states that surround her.Muchiboy

      • ziontruth

        "Rhodesians have little to be ashamed of,unlike Israelis.They had the guts and moral integrity to settle the land and share the country with the Africans."

        Um, Muchiboy, the Zionists had the same intention with regard to the Arabs. It was only because of the Arabs' unwillingness to share with the Jews that the recent history of Palestine turned out to be as it is.

        "Smiths intent was to have a prosperous nation for everyone,African and European alike."

        Herzl's intent for everyone in Palestine, Jew and Arab alike, was the same.

        "It was the regrettable failure of the ruling black elite that made that an impossible dream."

        You fault the ruling black elite, yet you can't fault the Arabs for the same? Double standard, anyone?

        "…compared to the Jews who last ruled a barbaric biblical state.That is the only reason I can think of to explain the primitive and immoral rule of a modern middle eastern nation.The Jews should never have been entrusted with their own state,…"

        Someone smeared butter all over your mask, it's starting to fall off, revealing your true Jew-hating face, no longer even under the flimsy cover of anti-Zionism.

        (contd.)

      • ziontruth

        (contd.)

        "Either bring the Jews home,…"

        Palestine is the Jews' only home. Elsewhere, even if Jews live there for a thousand years, is a temporary abode.

        "…or else place European and American peacemakers within the country to monitor and mentor her behavior."

        No thanks, we already tried that, with "peacemakers" fleeing at the flick of Nasser's finger (1967, the prelude to the Six-Day War), or downright collaborating with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

        I also note how it doesn't cross your mind that the Arabs should be "monitored and mentored." Anti-Jewish piece of excrement.

        "Until then,Israel needs to be isolated from the Western democracies."

        Amen to that, because the Western democracies are going the way of Multi-Culti suicide. Democracy or not, Israel should turn into an exclusivist nation-state–the only antidote to the suicide of multiculturalism.

        Ask the indigenous Europeans how the Multi-Culti dream is working for them. You can start with the "Cultural Enrichment Archive" on the Gates of Vienna blog. A very educating read for anyone who's gotten his news only from what the North Korea-like Leftstream Media permits him to know.

  • aspacia

    He sure is, and has not valid background in history; he appears to only have Arab and liberal propaganda talking points.

  • muchiboy

    "Israel should keep every inch of land, pay compensation, and expel every Muslim from Israel, the West Bank and Gaza."

    If you only would share the land with their rightful owners,the Palestinians,both peoples under a single flag could have the entire land of Zion.Most nations are a composite of peoples ,cultures and languages,Aspscia.My God,even the Jewish people are multi lingual,multicultural and multi national.

    "because you probably do not read the numerous reasons to support Israel post on line."

    I subscribe to FP,and listen to all your points of view.I just don't agree with most of them.

    "Rhodesians are calling for the ethnic cleansing of all whites at the moment. "

    Zimbabwe's ruling elite has certainly taken that stand,but they are consistent in that they have also cleansed many Africans from the land,too.Hundreds of thousands of Africans have fled poverty and violence as refugees in South Africa.The main African opposition ,the MDC,is sympathetic to whites (farmers) and opposes Mugabe's policies.Again,white Rhodesians took the moral high road during their occupation and colonization of Zimbabwe vs the Zionist occupation and colonization of Palestine.The fact that the end results were so different says more about the lack of moral integrity of the Jews who were and continue to be guilty of ethnic cleansing and other human rights abuses including war crimes and crimes against humanity. At the end of the day it behooves all of us to ask if the end justifies the means.And as with other such actions it may remain for future generations to render a final and correct judgment.

    "Zimbabwe, are nonfunctioning, racist lands."

    Won't argue that,Aspacia,but whites made the difficult but morally correct decision to allow majority rule in Zimbabwe.But I doubt if you could appreciate the finer,or even blunter,points of morality.Black and white seems to work just fine for you and your kind.Muchiboy.

    • MixMChess

      "If you only would share the land with their rightful owners,the Palestinians,both peoples under a single flag could have the entire land of Zion."

      Historically and legally, Israel is the rightful land of the Jews. That said, Israel is a secular democracy with one of the most open societies in the world where over 1 million Arabs are equal citizens under the law.

      "Again,white Rhodesians took the moral high road during their occupation and colonization of Zimbabwe vs the Zionist occupation and colonization of Palestine."

      How does one occupy and colonize their own land? The moral high ground would be for the Palestinians to end their lust for Jewish blood, pay compensation to the victims of their terrorism from the past 80 years and go back to their lands of origin which is Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and other surrounding Arab countries.

      "The fact that the end results were so different says more about the lack of moral integrity of the Jews who were and continue to be guilty of ethnic cleansing and other human rights abuses including war crimes and crimes against humanity."

      Yup, as usual its the "Jews" that are immoral. Glad you are now just openly admitting your antisemtism. Your comments are laughable at best considering Hamas calls for the genocide of worldwide Jewry, Palestinians teach their children to kill Jews and Christians, Palestinians are a death cult that worship suicide bombers, Palestinians torture and kill animals (pigs, dogs and other animals that are "dirty" under sharia), Palestinian men routinely rape their women, Palestinians dream of drinking the blood of every last Jew… need I really go on? Face it, Palestinians define terrorism and are a pox on this world and will be until they reject their xenophobic ways.

  • muchiboy

    "Historically and legally, Israel is the rightful land of the Jews."

    Certainly a case can can be made for Israel,MixMChess,and you are admirable in your defense.And the fact that Israel exists at all against such odds is a tribute to Jews everywhere.
    That being said,the single mindedness that characterized Zionism then and Israel today resulting in the unconscionable crimes against the Palestinian people cannot simply be ignored.One may use historical precedents and legal niceties to justify your actions,but unless those actions satisfy the moral imperative of the Golden Rule and the greater ethical considerations,your actions will still stink to high heaven.I can smell it from here.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "That being said,the single mindedness that characterized Zionism then and Israel today resulting in the unconscionable crimes against the Palestinian people cannot simply be ignored."

      How is Zionism single minded? Do you even know what that characterization is supposed to mean? Or is this just more rhetoric to cover up your lack of knowledge about the region and history of Israel?

      As for "unconscionable crimes," Israel has never committed any crimes against the Palestinians. You conveniently ignore real crimes committed against Palestinians by Jordan and Syria. It seems that you like to use Israel as a way to justify your own underlying antisemitism.

      "but unless those actions satisfy the moral imperative of the Golden Rule and the greater ethical considerations"

      What are you even talking about? What golden rule? Are you just making up standards to apply to Israel now that all your other arguments have failed?

      "I can smell it from here"

      Nope, that is just the reek of your own antisemitism and Rhodesian racism.

      One may use historical precedents and legal niceties to justify your actions,but unless those actions satisfy the moral imperative of the Golden Rule and the greater ethical considerations,your actions will still stink to high heaven.I can smell it from here.

  • muchiboy

    "Yup, as usual its the "Jews" that are immoral. Glad you are now just openly admitting your antisemtism."

    You persist in equating Zionism and antisemitism,MixMChess.The fact that others,many notable,good,intelligent and eminent professionals,Jews included,hold the same anti Zionist opinions should tell you something,MixMChess,if you are listening,that is.

    " Hamas calls for the genocide of worldwide Jewry, Palestinians teach their children to kill Jews and Christians,.."

    Hamas is not the Palestinian people,MixMChess and the Palestinian people are not the evil devils you portray them to be.Furthermore,you cannot deny the part played by Zionism in the formation of Hamas and the misery that now characterizes much of the Palestinian people.Like it or not,squirm and deny all you like,Zionism and present day Israel and by extension most supporting Jews of the Diaspora share in the blame of the Palestinian tragedy.

    " Palestinians dream of drinking the blood of every last Jew… need I really go on? Face it, Palestinians define terrorism and are a pox on this world and will be until they reject their xenophobic ways. "

    No,you have gone above and beyond the rational,MixMChess.As for Palestinians defining terrorism,look at your own history of terrorism.Jews were very effective in using the tools of terror against any and all who were an obstacle to Zionist goals,i.e.British,Palestinian,man,woman,child,etc.
    As for being a pox on the world,few countries can lay claim to that claim more so then the Zionist state of Israel.From its inception to execution to present day realities on the ground Israel and her people have acted shamefully towards the Palestinian people and stand accused of crimes against humanity including ethnic cleansing,war crimes and multiple human rights abuses.At least the Palestinians given their miserable living conditions imposed by Israel have an excuse for their actions.What excuse does a modern state like Israel have?Despite the infrastructure and modern economy that characterizes Israel today,her disgusting and immoral behavior towards the Palestinian people categorize her as a human rights abuser and a failed state.The UN and world community should correct their now clearly (retrospectively,unfortunately) unwise decision to recognize Israel until the Zionist mindset can drag itself out of the ancient ,barbaric,biblical place from where it was conceived into the modern world.

    " Palestinians torture and kill animals (pigs, dogs and other animals that are "dirty" under sharia)"

    We have come a long way in both our treatment of our fellow man i.e.human rights and
    our recognition of animal rights.Understandably,much of this recognition and legislation has originated in the western world,though the Hindus have an innate respect for animals.There is still much to be done in this respect.Obviously,various obstacles exist in other cultures,traditions,religions,etc.It is clear that Islam is in crisis today and that the west must support the moderate Muslims in combating the excesses of fundamentalism and allow the adherents of Islam (and their companion animals )to enjoy the fruits of modernity,including human (and animal) rights.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "You persist in equating Zionism and antisemitism,MixMChess."

      Because they are more than often the same. Criticizing Israel does not necessarily make someone anti-Semitic, but intent is important. Legitimate critics accept Israel’s right to exist, whereas anti-Semites do not. Anti-Semites use "double standards" when they criticize Israel, for example, "denying Israelis the right to pursue their legitimate claims while encouraging the Palestinians to do so." Anti-Semites deny Israel the right to defend herself, and ignore Jewish victims, while "blaming Israel for pursuing their murderers." Anti-Semites describe Israelis using "pejorative terms and hate-speech," in order to inflame the senses. Anti-Semites, do not share "Israelis’ interest in improving the society;" their goal is to "delegitimize" and "destroy" Israel. Its clear you engage in all of the above, and other "Jewish" commentators that do the same can be labeled as antisemitic.

      "Hamas is not the Palestinian people,MixMChess and the Palestinian people are not the evil devils you portray them to be."

      Hamas is the Palestinian people, they voted to Hamas to power knowing "the organization's platform called for the destruction of Israel and the use of terrorism to achieve its aims." The Palestinians in Gaza did nothing to stop Hamas from launching rockets into Israel or using their "houses, yards, or neighborhoods" as launching pads.

      "Furthermore,you cannot deny the part played by Zionism in the formation of Hamas and the misery that now characterizes much of the Palestinian people. Like it or not,squirm and deny all you like,Zionism and present day Israel and by extension most supporting Jews of the Diaspora share in the blame of the Palestinian tragedy."

      Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The organization grew out of the ideology from the radical Muslim Brotherhood that arose in Egypt in the 1920's. The supposed misery of the Palestinians is self-created and no matter what does not excuse terrorism. Let me say that again, there is NO excuse for Palestinian terrorism.

      Amnesty International published a study that "condemned all attacks by Palestinians against Israeli civilians" and said that "no Israeli action justified them." According to the report, “The attacks against civilians by Palestinian armed groups are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law.“

      Terrorism is not Israel’s fault, and it certainly is not the only response available to the "Palestinians." Palestinians have received billions in aid that they could use to build their infrastructure and improve their situation." Instead they use the money on weapons to kill Israelis. The Palestinians could also choose the "nonviolent path" taken by Martin Luther King or Gandhi. Unfortunately, they have chosen to pursue a war of terror instead of a process for peace. Perhaps this is indicative of the Palestinian mindset and further proves my point that Palestinians define terrorism.

    • MixMChess

      "As for Palestinians defining terrorism,look at your own history of terrorism.Jews were very effective in using the tools of terror against any and all who were an obstacle to Zionist goals,i.e.British,Palestinian,man,woman,child,etc. "

      Funny, the Irgun commits one act of terrorism against the British and suddenly they are on par with the Palestinians whose way of life is terrorism. The Jewish National Council denounced any acts of terrorism, whereas Arab leaders widely hailed Arab attacks on Jews as heroic and justified. Palestinians had been engaging in countless acts of terrorism against Jews (and the British during the mandate period) since before the 1920's – just look at the Hebron and safed massacres. Since Israel's creation, Palestinians have been responsible for the Dawson Field hijackings, the Munich massacre, Avivim bus massacre (where Palestinians killed 9 Jewish children and babies with bullets straight in the skull akin to the Nazis), the first intifada, the second intifada, the Dizengoff Square massacre, the Passover masacre… need I really go on? Palestinian terrorism has continued for nearly 80 years claiming lives of innocent Israelis, Americans, Chinese, French, English and countless other peoples. There is no comparison between one act of Terrorism committed by a few Jews and the Terrorism adopted by Palestinians as a way of life. Quite simply, without terrorism the Palestinians would cease to be.

      "As for being a pox on the world,few countries can lay claim to that claim more so then the Zionist state of Israel.From its inception to execution to present day realities on the ground Israel and her people have acted shamefully towards the Palestinian people and stand accused of crimes against humanity including ethnic cleansing,war crimes and multiple human rights abuses."

      Israel has never acted shamefully toward Palestinians and has never committed any of her "accused" crimes against humanity, ethnic cleansing, war crimes or human rights abuses. Why do you continue to embarrass yourself by repeating these lies?

      "At least the Palestinians given their miserable living conditions imposed by Israel have an excuse for their actions."

      See my previous comments, there is NO excuse for Palestinian terrorism.

      "Despite the infrastructure and modern economy that characterizes Israel today,her disgusting and immoral behavior towards the Palestinian people categorize her as a human rights abuser and a failed state."

      How does Israel act immoral by trying to prevent Palestinian civilian casualties? There are official IDF policies that value Palestinian civilian lives over those of Israeli soldiers, essentially forcing Israeli soldiers to risk their own lives to save the lives of Palestinians. Israel doesn't engage in human rights abuses – quit embarrassing yourself with this rhetoric.

  • muchiboy

    ""Yup, as usual its the "Jews" that are immoral.."

    We can continue to argue point by point the tragedy that is present day Palestine.Yet the core issues are population and land,and my readings of the most authoritative sources for both show that until the latter stages of the conflict,the Palestinian Arabs were in the majority,and significantly.Given that there was an early Arab(both Muslim and Christian) majority,and not denying the continuous Palestinian Jewish presence,it is difficult to explain the large Jewish majority immediately after Israels creation other then ethnic cleansing ,whether by hook or by crook.The hundreds of thousands of European Jews who emigrated to Palestine viewed in context with similar numbers of Palestinian Arabs fleeing the conflict and denied right of return amounts to de facto ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.Regardless,Zionist actions and policies are immoral, unconscionable and self serving at best,genocidal at worst.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "We can continue to argue point by point the tragedy that is present day Palestine."

      First, any supposed "tragedy" is self-inflicted by the Palestinians. Second, there is no Palestine. Don't forget, Arafat and the Palestinians rejected Israel's peace offer of statehood in 2000.

      "the Palestinian Arabs were in the majority,and significantly."

      Not quite. As usual with your idiotic rants, you didn't post any facts or figures to support your fabricated claims. Probably because not only do the facts not support your claims but you don't have even the slightest grasp of the history of the region.

      That said, I'll give you a free a history lesson. At the time of the 1947 partition resolution, the Arabs had a majority in WESTERN Palestine (mandate), approximately 1.2 million Arabs versus approximately 650,000 Jews. However, the Jews were a majority in Jerusalem and the Jewish area of the mandate.

      Interestingly, the Arab population had been rapidly declining until 1922, when it suddenly grew exponentially when Arabs from the surrounding countries emigrated "to take advantage of the rapid economic development and improved health conditions stimulated by Zionist settlement." By contrast, "Jews never had a chance of reaching a majority in the country given the restrictive immigration policy of the British."

      "Given that there was an early Arab(both Muslim and Christian) majority,and not denying the continuous Palestinian Jewish presence,it is difficult to explain the large Jewish majority immediately after Israels creation other then ethnic cleansing"

      No, what probably explains the sudden increase in Jewish population was the fact that Arab countries ethnically cleansed and expelled 850,000+ Jews from their countries, the majority of whom settled in Israel. By contrast, there were under 400,000 Palestinian refugees (most Arab statistics but this number even smaller). However, Israel never ethnically cleansed the Arabs. Israel begged them to stay and become part of their country as equal citizens. The Arabs left at their own accord at the prompting of Arab governments to clear the way to "push the Jews into the sea" ie genocide.

    • MixMChess

      "The hundreds of thousands of European Jews who emigrated to Palestine viewed in context with similar numbers of Palestinian Arabs fleeing the conflict and denied right of return amounts to de facto ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people."

      Do you even know what de fact means? Read my comment above explaining why this never happened.

      "Regardless,Zionist actions and policies are immoral, unconscionable and self serving at best,genocidal at worst."

      Okay, if that is so, then why did Israel agree to repatriate 300,000 (nearly 75%) of the Palestinian refugees in 1950. Face it, Israel is arguably the most moral and ethical country on the Planet. Israel has and never will commit genocide. Jordan on the other hand killed over 25,000 Palestinians in one month alone (of course you will remain silent about this since it wasn't a crime committed by a Jew).

      Face it, Palestinians are xenophobic, worship death, encourage murder, torture and beat women, kill children, suppress minorities, hate gays, rape women, discriminate against non-Muslims, torture animals (dogs and pigs). The Palestinians deserve nothing based on their disgusting behavior alone, not to mention that their entire culture/peoplehood is a myth fabricated by Yassir Arafat (an Egyptian).

  • muchiboy

    "Irrelevant. The Muslims think the same way about Spain, with no such hiatus"

    Except this act of occupation and colonization occurred within our lifetimes,a Jewish crime against humanity following the greatest crime against humanity ever,the Holocaust.You would think we would have known better,had learned something.I still can't see how Jews could have come from the death camps and ovens,from the ethnic cleansing of their European birth right and homeland by the Nazis to go on and perpetrate other such crimes against another vulnerable people.At least the Palestinians,YOUR victims,recognize the irony and tragedy of Jewish and Palestinian suffering.Did you know,ziontruth,that the Palestinian people refer to themselves as the "victims of victims"?Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      Jews cannot occupy and colonize their OWN land. No one is buying your bull crap.

      As for your Nazi argument, get this through your stupid thick skull, the Nazis’ objective was the systematic extermination of every Jew in Europe. Israel is seeking peace with its Palestinian neighbors. More than one million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. Your suggestion is absurd given that Israel provides hundreds of millions in economic aid to Palestinians and provides over one ton in humanitarian aid per Gaza resident. The Palestinian population in the territories increased by over 84% from 1994 to 2004 alone, and as Anthony Cordesman notes the increase “was the result of improvements in income and health services” made by Israel.

      Apparently, the only crime committed by Jews is to assert self defense against genocidal murderers.

  • muchiboy

    "The world would become a madhouse. (Not that it's so far from it, but still…)"

    FINALLY,we agree on something,ziontruth!

    ", I don't care–I call it erring on the side of caution, and it's always justified. "

    But when it results in harm to others,to an entire people,other then your own,you have to question the impact.Muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "It was only because of the Arabs' unwillingness to share with the Jews that the recent history of Palestine turned out to be as it is. "

    Really,ziontruth? As it is,try as you might,the Jewish state is still 20% Palestinian.Given birthrates,may be a ticking time bomb.Planning another war?

    "You fault the ruling black elite, yet you can't fault the Arabs for the same? Double standard, anyone?"

    Not at all,ziontruth.I understand the risks Jews would face in MY Palestine.Despite all the good will in Zimbabwe,it didn't save the white farmers.All white Rhodesians knew the risks,they just had to look north of the Zambezi and the independent African states.And the white settlers,as much as they were now African and good,productive citizens,were not invited.Unlike the Palestinian Jews,most European Jews just showed up.

    "Someone smeared butter all over your mask, it's starting to fall off, revealing your true Jew-hating face, no longer even under the flimsy cover of anti-Zionism. "

    Sorry,it's my Fox Terrier,he loves butter and is licking it off.I'll have to think of something more permanent in future.Thanks.Muchiboy

    P.S.Do you ever sleep?Or do you and MixMChess work in shifts?

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    • MixMChess

      "As it is,try as you might,the Jewish state is still 20% Palestinian.Given birthrates,may be a ticking time bomb.Planning another war?"

      Actually, Palestinian birthrates are decreasing and flattening out whereas Jewish birthrates are slowly but continuously increasing.

      "Unlike the Palestinian Jews,most European Jews just showed up."

      Do you get your jollies by making yourself look even more stupid than you actually are? European Jews didn't just "show up." They LEGALLY purchased VACANT and TENANT-FREE land to build a country.

    • ziontruth

      "Really,ziontruth? As it is,try as you might,the Jewish state is still 20% Palestinian.Given birthrates,may be a ticking time bomb.Planning another war?"

      The Torah says, Expel them all. We're just hanging on till Torah-believers take over. Given birthrates, this is an inevitability.

      "I understand the risks Jews would face in MY Palestine.Despite all the good will in Zimbabwe,it didn't save the white farmers"

      You understand? If you understand, why do you think Jews should take those risks? Especially after all we've been through.

      "Unlike the Palestinian Jews,most European Jews just showed up."

      In 1882, Jewish aliyah to the Land of Israel was initiated both from Russia and from Yemen. Now I know this doesn't do the White Settler Colonist Narrative Of Zionism much good, but hey, that's the way it is with the truth.

      "P.S.Do you ever sleep?Or do you and MixMChess work in shifts?"

      Have you ever heard of timezones, or are you as educated on the geography of the entire world as you are on the Middle East?

  • muchiboy

    "I also note how it doesn't cross your mind that the Arabs should be "monitored and mentored."

    Unfortunately,I don't think anyone would take the job,and I can't blame them.But then I don't see anyone taking the job to monitor the Israeli's,either.Look at past American and Canadian and British casualties at the hand of Jews.And we're your allies!

    "Anti-Jewish piece of excrement. "

    No way to talk about your partners in peace ,ziontruth.And remember what the "pre" in prejudice means.More then anyone or any people,you should know.Victimization is one thing,but it goes to another level when we engage in dehumanization e.g.Holocaust.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "Look at past American and Canadian and British casualties at the hand of Jews."

      What? Are you talking out of your behind again?

      "Victimization is one thing,but it goes to another level when we engage in dehumanization"

      How have the Palestinians ever demonstrated their humanity? And beheading Mickey Mouse to teach Arab children to murder Jews doesn't count!

  • muchiboy

    "Democracy or not, Israel should turn into an exclusivity nation-state–the only antidote to the suicide of multiculturalism. "

    Canada is a working example of multiculturalism,ziontruth.Both Toronto and Vancouver are now visible-minority majority cities.Sure,there's crime from Black and Asian gangs,some honor killings,nipped -in-the-bud Fundamentalist terrorism,but it works.And we could use more Jews!

    • MixMChess

      "Sure,there's crime from Black and Asian gangs,"

      I have to give you credit, at least you're an equal opportunist.

    • ziontruth

      "Sure,there's crime from Black and Asian gangs,some honor killings,nipped -in-the-bud Fundamentalist terrorism,but it works."

      Yeah, it works. Just like Janet Napolitano said when the Muslim pantybomber passed through all the TSA checks and was stopped only by the heroism of a flying Dutchman: The system worked.

      "And we could use more Jews!"

      I'm sure you could, but the Jews are doing what Helen Thomas said they should do and going back home. Which means: Palestine.

  • MixMChess

    David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir as Jews had a historical connection to the land of Israel. Yassir Arafat as an Egyptian had a historical connection to Egypt. Simple as that.

  • muchiboy

    "What? Are you talking out of your behind again? "

    King David Hotel 1946 91 killed 46 injured

    USS Liberty 1987 34 crew killed,107 injured.

    UNTSO 2006 Canadian major
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_United_Na

    • MixMChess

      "King David Hotel 1946 91 killed 46 injured"

      The King David Hotel bomb was by an outside organization, the Irgun, which was not in any way affiliated with the Jewish National Council. That said, the Irgun bomb was during a time of hostilities between the Jewish Agency and British High Command. In June of 1946 British troops had invaded the Jewish Agency and "confiscated large quantities of documents" and arrested 2,500 Jews from all over the region.

      Still, the Irgun warned the British about the bombing: "Three telephone calls were placed, one to the hotel, another to the French Consulate, and a third to the Palestine Post, warning that explosives in the King David Hotel would soon be detonated." The warnings by the Irgun were ignored. However, "in contrast to Arab attacks against Jews, which were widely hailed by Arab leaders as heroic actions, the Jewish National Council denounced the bombing."

      "USS Liberty 1987 34 crew killed,107 injured."

      Sigh… the USS Liberty attack was in 1967 during the heat of warfare on the fourth day of the 6-day war. Ten official United States investigations and three official Israeli inquiries have all conclusively established the USS Liberty attack was a "tragic mistake" and case of friendly fire during wartime. Oddly enough, the day before the Liberty was attacked, Israeli pilots accidentally bombed one of their own armored columns. Israel officially apologized for the tragedy and paid nearly "$13 million in humanitarian reparations to the United States and to the families of the victims." The matter was officially closed by the US and Israel in 1987.

      "UNTSO 2006 Canadian major"

      It is unfortunate that a Canadian was involved with the awful UNIFIL which ignored its mandate of keeping peace in southern Lebanon and in 2006 allowed Hezbollah attacks on Israel and the abduction of three of its soldiers.

      That said, accidents caused by “friendly fire” are common in wartime. In 1988, "the U.S. Navy mistakenly downed an Iranian passenger plane, killing 290 civilians." During the Gulf War, "35 of the 148 Americans who died in battle" were killed by “friendly fire.”

  • muchiboy

    " Yassir Arafat as an Egyptian had a historical connection to Egypt. Simple as that."

    Not quite so simple,MixMChess.Admittedly keeping track of all these genealogies is sometimes too much.
    Yasser Arafat was born in Cairo to Palestinian parents.[1] His father, Abdel Raouf al-Qudwa al-Husseini, was a Palestinian from Gaza; ……… His mother, Zahwa Abul Saud, was from a Jerusalem family.

    • MixMChess

      Did you seriously pull that genealogy from Wikipedia and hope it would stick? Arafat's father was a textile merchant from Cairo, Egypt who did business in Gaza and was not a Palestinian. Arafat claimed his mother was related to the Jerusalem Husseini clan (originally Jordanian and Iraqi) but even that has been disputed by the Palestinian historian Said Aburish.

      Arafat's "Egyptian background was a political impediment and source of personal embarrassment. " Arafat went so far as to employ aides to translate his "Egyptian dialect into Palestinian Arabic for conversing with his West Bank and Gaza subjects." Arafat had Egyptian citizenship and took no part in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, but nonetheless "claimed refugee status throughout his life." Arafat's entire background is a hoax, much like his fabricated Fakestinian movement.

  • muchiboy

    "Did you seriously pull that genealogy from Wikipedia and hope it would stick?"

    In looking at sources other then Wikipedia,both the Nobel and Jewish Virtual Library sites cite (sorry) a Palestinian father.I do see the disputed reference to his Palestinian mother,but again,only in dispute.

    "Mohammed Abdel-Raouf Arafat As Qudwa al-Hussaeini was born on 24 August 1929 in Cairo**, his father a textile merchant who was a Palestinian with some Egyptian ancestry, his mother from an old Palestinian family in Jerusalem."
    http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureate

    Mohammed Abdel Raouf Arafat al-Qudwa Al-Husseini, more commonly known as Yasser Arafat was the fifth of seven children born to a Palestinian textile merchant on August 24, 1929. According to Arafat and other sources, he was born in Jerusalem; however, French biographers, Christophe Boltanski and Jihan El-Tahri revealed in their 1997 book, Les sept vies de Yasser Arafat, that he was actually born in Cairo, Egypt, and that is where his birth certificate was registered.
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biogr

    Muchiboy

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