Spitting on Howard Zinn’s Grave?

David Horowitz was one of the founders of the New Left in the 1960s and an editor of its largest magazine, Ramparts. He is the author, with Peter Collier, of three best selling dynastic biographies: The Rockefellers: An American Dynasty (1976); The Kennedys: An American Dream (1984); and The Fords: An American Epic (1987). Looking back in anger at their days in the New Left, he and Collier wrote Destructive Generation (1989), a chronicle of their second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ Witness and other classic works documenting a break from totalitarianism. Horowitz examined this subject more closely in Radical Son (1996), a memoir tracing his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist that George Gilder described as “the first great autobiography of his generation.” He is author of the newly published book The Great Betrayal (Regnery 2014), which is a chronicle of the Democrats treachery in the war on terror before 9/11 to the death of Osama bin Laden.


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The other day a reporter from NPR called me and asked me for my comments on the death of the lifelong Stalinist and propagandist Howard Zinn. I was a little reluctant because I knew that whatever I said, legions of unscrupulous myrmidons on the left would jump on it and say I had spit on Zinn’s grave. I also knew that while I was interviewed for ten minutes, out of what I said only a 20 second sound-bite would make it onto the air. I don’t begrudge NPR this selection. That’s what their obit was and would have to be, a collection of sound-bites.

Sure enough the bottom-feeders at FAIR pounced on my bite and accused me of spitting on Zinn’s grave. So here’s what I said that was cut from the interview. I’m not putting quotes around it because it’s from memory, but it’s pretty close to some of my remarks and captures the sense of others:  No one should celebrate the death of another human being unless they are child-molesters or murderers. Howard Zinn lived to a ripe old age (87), and bad human being that he was, I wouldn’t begrudge him an extra few years; he’s done about as much damage as he could.

Howard Zinn was a Stalinist in the years when the Marxist monster was slaughtering millions of innocent people and launching his own ‘final solution’ against the Jews. Put another way, Howard Zinn was helping Stalin to conduct those slaughters and to enslave  all those who had the misfortune to live behind the Iron Curtain.  Howard never had second thoughts about his commitment to leftwing totalitarians and never flagged in his political commitment to freedom’s enemies. In the years since Stalin’s death, Zinn supported every enemy of the United States in every war, and devoted his writing talents to every socialist tyrant including Mao Zedong who killed 70 million Chinese in peacetime because they got in the way of his progressive agendas.

When the Cold War was over and freedom had won — thanks to all the political forces and figures (e.g., Reagan and Thatcher) that Zinn opposed – Zinn continued his malignant course. He supported America’s enemies right to the end including the Islamic Nazis whose first agenda is to finish the job that Hitler started and then to impose a totalitarian theocracy on the infidel world.

Zinn’s wretched tract, A People’s History of the United States, is worthless as history, and it is a national tragedy that so many Americans have fallen under its spell. It is a political cartoon which even the socialist magazine Dissent described as an intellectual fraud, which it is. All Zinn’s writing was directed to one end: to indict his own country as an evil state and soften his countrymen up for the kill. Like his partner in crime, Noam Chomsky, Zinn’s life’s work was a pernicious influence on the young and ignorant, with destructive consequences for people everywhere.

Editor’s Note: Click here for more of NRB’s coverage of Howard Zinn’s death. Click here for a collection of NRB’s coverage of the recent Zinn-inspired documentary “The People Speak.”

UPDATE: David Horowitz has decided that he came down a bit too harshly on Zinn. The above text is revised to remove the description of Zinn as a “wicked man.” For an explanation click here.

  • Lary9

    Mr. H;
    Do you really harbor such a melodramatic negative animus toward Howard Zinn? Wicked? Malignant? Pernicious? Bad human being? All these really? Now that the old leftie is dead, they should check for 666 on his actual corpse. It has to be there somewhere since you see it all through the corpus of his thought.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      Lary, is it possible for someone to write copiously and to be published in the Western world, and not have the an idea of what he was trying to accomplish? The post I'm responding to is the first time I've ever read anything that YOU'VE written, and yet, I'm fully capable of determining towards which side of the political spectrum your thought lies.

      Zinn was 87 years old, and never stopped writing in a long life of Leftist activism. When "The People Speak" comes out, next month, filled with Leftie actors like Matt Damon, Morgan Freeman, Bob Dylan, Bruce Springsteen, Eddie Vedder, Viggo Mortensen, Josh Brolin, Danny Glover, Marisa Tomei, Don Cheadle, and Sandra Oh, will you be better able to assess his political thought? This, especially considering the fact that the DVD will be a "documentary" about the oppressiveness of life in the United States?

      In one of the last interviews he ever gave, he called the United States a "tyranny". Somehow, I don't think that he had Obama in mind …

      • Lary9

        ~ "the first time I've ever read anything that YOU'VE written, and yet, I'm fully capable of determining towards which side of the political spectrum your thought lies."
        My thought doesn't "lie" anywhere. It's subtle, complicated and I rarely close it on anything. To suggest you are fully capable of tagging me with some stale century-old political label is foolish. If you're assuming that I'm some kind of Marxist you're way wrong. I just respect 87 year old WWII veterans who have lived committed lives. I don't demonize scholars with opposing views either.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

          The fact that you come out to support a radical Marxist like Zinn says something about you. Taken in context … and now I have examples of your thought … I know more about you.

          Of course, I should have realized that it's only people like me, on the right, who are simplistic. We're certainly not capable "subtle, complicated" thought. But then, we on the right aren't defending this "87-year old WWII veteran (who took part in the first Napalm attack in US history … not that I'm opposed to Napalm) who have lived committed lives." Committed to what? That is the problem.

          The political Left has done more than its share of "demonizing" the Right, over the course of my life.

          You rarely close your thought? Are you more interested in process?

          • Lary9

            Do you see how you've distorted the facts of this exchange? I didn't say anything at all about you or conservatism not being subtle or complicated. You're inferring that from what you think I said–which I did not say. I wrote to defend my own words against misrepresntation… so you did it again. There's a pattern here. By the way, as a point of interest, I actually briefly interviewed Zinn 30 years ago about his participation in the fire bombing of which you speak. I was disappointed in his answer but back then I was quite a rebellious and radical fellow. I grown more moderate since my student days.

      • Joe

        Have you even read any Zinn's stuff? He's been highly critical of every president from Kennedy to Obama. Here is an excerpt from his last published article which can be found on The Nation's website:
        "As far as disappointments, I wasn't terribly disappointed because I didn't expect that much [from Obama]. I expected him to be a traditional Democratic president. On foreign policy, that's hardly any different from a Republican–as nationalist, expansionist, imperial and warlike."

        • Joe

          Here's a better excerpt:
          "I think people are dazzled by Obama's rhetoric, and that people ought to begin to understand that Obama is going to be a mediocre president–which means, in our time, a dangerous president–unless there is some national movement to push him in a better direction."

          He's obviously not a partisan like you are.

    • jackbelias

      Zinn was a propagandist, a hate preacher who devoted his life to destruction. Nothing good was said about the bitch because there was nothing good to say about him. He contributed nothing at all. He got filthy rich by preaching about the evils of capitalism. The retarded mob he preached to never noticed that he was living alot better than any of his fans could ever dream of.____I disagree with the author of the article who is too nice to Zinns memory. Anyone familiar with Zinns work and having even a minimal sense of humanity should celebrate his death. His grave should become an outhouse for the rest of time.____I find myself wondering why someone didnt take him out, it would have been the right thing to do. He stirred up more hatred of this nation than any one man alive throughout human history for the sole purpose of enriching himself. We will now have his retarded groupies to contend with for many years to come.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

        Sir: do you know what "hypocrisy" means? It's holding others to standards that you don't apply to yourself: judging others but exempting yourself.

        I don't know anything about you but what you wrote above. Even if I had never heard of Howard Zinn, and so couldn't evaluate your statements wrt truth, I would be able to tell that the above comments are inherently hypocritical. That's not a Right-Left judgment (it assumes no knowledge of Zinn): it's written on the face of what you say, independent of whatever it's *about*.

        As it happens, I've read some Zinn, and can say without qualification that your comments are just plain wrong – spectacularly wrong. I'm sorry, but you just don't know what you're talking about.

        Why do you do this? Please: you must have something better to do – or be able (if you try) to do *this* better.

      • Joe

        The wealthiest 1% of Americans own more than 35% of the wealth, 10% of Americans are on food stamps.

        40% of the senate members are millionaires as opposed to ~1% of the general population.

        This isn't capitalism. It's a Russian style oligarchy that decreases the quality of life for the average person and THAT's what Zinn was against.

        • VN Vet

          The top 1% of wage earners pay 39% of the tax burden in this country. The top 5% of wage earners pay 60% of the tax burden in this country.The top 40% of wage earners pay 99.3% of the tax burden in this country. The bottom 40% of wage earners pay no taxes in this country. This pertains to federal income taxes. Further, a study last September found that the majority of those 40% who don't pay taxes wanted higher taxes on the one's who do.

    • Shogfunk A. Democrat

      Dr. Horowitz was quite accurate and insightful, truthful in fact, on the sin of Zinn. Actually, "they" should have checked for the mark of Satan on the old goat's thought form.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/johncarens johncarens

    I listened to a follow-up on NPR about Mr. Horowitz's comments about Howard Zinn. All the usual lefy suspects took great umbrage in the fact that the estimable NPR had asked a knucle-dragger like David for his opinion. The tweed-'n-elbow patches crowd thought it was as distateful for David Horowitz to voice his opinion as it would have been to get Sam Donaldson's opinion at the death of Ronald Reagan.. or some such, as if every leftist-Stalinist HASN'T given their opinion about the death of notable conservatives over the years. It was quite refreshing that the tables were turned, if even only a degree or so.

    • Lary9

      Wow. You really throw around a lot of all the right 'buzz words'. You must be a right winger. Let me remind that the original fomenters of dissent were not the beneficiaries of protections from Eisenhower's growing 'military industrial complex'. They wore wigs, drank warm ale and argued endlessly in unseasonably hot weather to achieve concensus. I think the republic can still take it now that it's 225 years or so older.
      By the way, I've never heard the little Austrian corporal called a conservative before. LOL. That is very funny.

  • Jeff

    D. Horowitz is right on target again. Prof. Zinn has been a ruthless and imbalanced critic of the U.S. for decades. It's horrible to think of the damage he has done to so many minds. I love David Horowitz — what he says, and what he stands for.

    • John

      You love anal sex with goats?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

        Lol, lefties always projecting.

        • Horton

          I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I

  • http://two-masters.blogspot.com/ Agim Zabeli

    Hear, hear.

  • DBCooper

    Zinn didnt tell history from the point of view of the people, he told it from a die hard leftist perspective. His intent was to smear the United States. He preached hatred to masses of stupid, unskilled, indoctrinated youth. He was probably the greatest propagandist in all of human history, better than Hitler even, but that didnt make him a great man. He was simply a destructive beast with a following of countless millions.

    He focused only on the negatives of the United States, which lead unskilled, frustrated youth to think of him as an absolute truth teller sent by god as the one true prophet. I could do what Zinn did to the history of any nation, but it would be just as dishonest as Zinns ommission strategy.

    His anarchism was really just a career choice. The hearts and minds of white suburban brats with shrinking trust funds are easily won over by anarchist preachers. They hate the state because they imagine that they would be on equal footing with highly skilled, and better educated adults in a stateless society. Zinn understood this well, and made a fortune serving as a megaphone for every 17 year old pimpled brat working in a fast food joint, and every 22 year old college punk who discovered that college alone didnt lead to an instant CEO position.

    Its too bad Zinn lived as long as he did. It would have been better to see him killed by a sniper or a car bombing in his youth. This is true of every dictator he praised in his work, and like always we are left with only the hindsight of what we should have done with a human monster.

    • VN Vet

      Two great posts by johncarens, and DBCooper

    • AntiFascist18

      well said…

      too bad Zinn wasn't sitting in the Sbarro Pizzeria in Jerusalem, at the Park Plaza Hotel in Netanya some years back, or on board one of those airliners on 9/11. It would have been rich if he was done in by his Arab Muslim humanitarian pals. Maybe in his last moments on earth he could have realized what a shit he was.

      Frankly I doubt this dung-eating apologist for Stalin and this regretter of blasting Nazis to smithereens would have the brain matter in his last minutes to say "Sh'ma Yisroel". For him, the Horst Wessel Song or the International was more appropo.

  • Lary9

    After reading all these diatribes about Professor Zinn, deceased, I had to take a shower. I felt greasy with your contempt. I'm amazed that such hating exists out here in the blog-o-sphere. You guys don't mind if I breathe, do you?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      You've obviously never visited moveon.org or huffingtonpost, if you're amazed that such "hating" exists on the internet.

      If you don't believe me, go over to huffpo and try the following experiment: Get yourself an account, and tell the denizens of that wilderness, "Hi! I'm Lary, and I'm a conservative. I think that George W. Bush was a good president, who kept America safe after 9/11."

      See what happens next …

      • bushlikesdick2

        So if what you are saying is true then Horowitz words about Zinn apply to you as well and therefore you don't deserve any sort of respect the day after you die either.

        • therealend

          Apparently even Trig Palin doesn't deserve any respect either. What did he ever do?

      • Lary9

        Actually I read and contribute to Huffington Post regularly. My disclaimer was for rhetorical effect.

    • AvantRetard

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…….. You are a joke. OOOOOOoooooo poor you! You didn't realize "such hating exists out there"??? I guess you have never been to the Daily Kooz? (and yes, I did spell it "kooz")

      • Lary9

        I didn't say that. I said that I was amazed. It's not the same as not realizing how much exists .

  • Nemesis

    Actually, I plan to go out of my way next time I'm in the US to visit Zinn's grave and physically spit on it.

    Oh, and if my hatred of evil people disgusts you, Lary9, you can take another shower.

    • Joe

      Ew. Gross. Seems like a lot of effort for something that isn't going to affect anything at all.

    • Lary9

      I believe that the ideas I affirm and the fellowship that I value should make me a better man. That is part of my unabashed Americanism. As much as I differ with you in my judgment of this man, I have never felt the hostility toward other Americans as I sense in here. If the republic falls it will start from within–with spleenful disputation tearing at the soul of our nation. Snap out of it. We need all hands on deck… now more than ever!

      • coyote3

        No thanks, did my time already. If what I see is any example, I'll pass on this one.

      • VN Vet

        The Second Amendment will keep the Republic from falling!

        • Joe

          Because guns can kill poor people whose lack of money is the root of all evil!

        • Lary9

          When we get to #2, it will already be too late. The time for dialogue is now, not after someone fires on Fort Sumter. If however it comes to that I hope you're prepared for the personal risks in such a stand and not just huffing and puffing out a lot of hot air..

    • http://unclecephas.blogspot.com kepha

      Nemesis, Howard Zinn's grave will be the one on which I will be dancing.

  • interact

    Hey Lary9 take your head out from the where the sun doesn't shine -under Zinn princples you wouldn't have the right to state your opinion without a kafqaesqe tribunal to determine its merits – which by the way have none.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

      Hi, "interact" –

      I hope you were having a really nice day up to now.

      But I'm calling you out as a FRAUD: one of many on these pages who doesn't have a clue what they're talking about, but nevertheless talk it with virulent, venomous vituperation.

      It's punch-in-the-face obvious that you didn't get your ideas about Zinn from anything Zinn wrote, spoke or did. But perhaps you feel self-righteously justified in farting out this nonsense because you're so not-alone on these pages? If so, can you see that the approval and support doesn't justify anything you say?

      If you take succor from the agreement of others in beliefs and attitudes that are as spectacularly FALSE as yours, that doesn't validate your beliefs and attitudes, it just shows you up as "sheep". Do you see that? Does it motivate you to change? Hello?

      Some on these pages vilifiy Zinn and his "followers" (acolytes, devotees, etc.) as "sheep". How I wish they could glimpse a glimmer of the how upside-down, inside-out and backwards their charges are – how HYPOCRITICAL, as well as JUST PLAIN WRONG. It's not really funny. It's too sad for that.

      Do better. Here's a hint: start by admitting that you cannot possibly justify your comments on any rational, factual grounds. And that you shouldn't have made them.

      • Lary9

        Malcolm~
        Well said. I sense we are sympatico. I too have actually read Zinn's opus "The People's History…". Thank you.
        Lary9

    • Lary9

      I was going to say that what your post is pure fabrication—but MalcolmC already beat me too it. Looks like he actually read Professor Zinn too.

  • Karim

    David Horowitz and his clinically brain dead imps are beyond pathetic.They are tragic.On a bigger scale they are just the cancer cells in the body of a diseased society.Their fascist,militarist and chauvinist hatred toward a good man is sickening.Nothing they will EVER do will even come close to what Howard Zinn gave to the cause of justice and civil liberties.It is bitter jealousy and malignant rott that festers inside them.

    • AntiFascist18

      You're a Fascist pig, Karim, but hey, that's not too difficult when you're a typical Muslim.

      Zinn always regretted bombing Nazis who were murdering his relatives. But hey, never a word of regret for his ties with the CPUSA. Or for turning on his own people.
      A Judenrat, A Kapo wannabe, and a Schmuck who wrote a disingenuous and twisted – though at times amusing History of the United States.

      God, I shudder to think of how he'd present the former Worker's Paradise or Hamaistan in Gaza. Anyone care to scream "Sieg Heil" besides Karim and Lar?

      • karim

        I am a fascist?For opposing the death penalty,rascism,war,economic exploitation ,injustice and goverment surveillance?The issue is not labels.The devil is in the details.Nomatter what you call yourself,a redblooded American or a Blut und Boden German,when you believe the list of items above are good and therefore in your eyes American values, you are a genuine dyed in the wool fascist.

        • VN Vet

          Actually, the secret surveillance program in effect during the 30's, 40's and 50's, called The Venona Program, declassified in 1995, gave us great insite into the treachery and traitorous activities of the commies in this country, and the complicity of the democ-rat party. We owe these bastards for China being communist, attack on Pearl Harbor, Korean War and much more. Check it out.

    • Dave

      Agreed, Horowitz is a cock.

  • Karim

    Horowitz,you are a pathetic,bitter,vengeful,untalented and unprincipled nobody.People will not even give you the honor,the way some people here want to desecrate Zinns grave, of spitting on your grave.You want even be remembered for someone to do that.

    • bushlikesdick2

      I try to pay attention to Horowitz when he gets national attention for the purpose of confirming what I already know and that is that even Glen Beck only gives this guy 5 seconds at the most to respond. Just rude sound bits for the sensationalism of the story. NPR needs to express both sides and they must have felt putting in the ~~ 5 second GOP slut ~~~was the best way to honor the man. I guess the ones closest to Zinn must be laughing at this clown called Horowitz.

      • Karim

        Exactly.

    • AntiFascist18

      And you're a typical Muslim Fascist pig.

    • VN Vet

      And this from a person with a demonic cult for a religion.

  • Karim

    The great difference between people in this world is not between the rich and the poor or the good and the evil.The biggest of all differences in this world is between the ones that had or have the pleasure in love and those that havent and hadnt any pleasure in love,but just watched it with envy,sick envy.
    Tennessee Williams

    • Marsconi

      Yeah, Karim you sound like you are just full of love.

    • arkyump

      Karim, how can one define honor when a atheist can't define love. Love is a God-thing, not a human thing. If Zinn is a hater of all things American and you think that he is telling the truth in his writings, then how can you disparage the comments of others. This is a free society to comment on others writings, the same society that gave Zinn the right to write his worthless semi-historical rantings.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

        arkyump –

        [sigh]P

        Please don't think it fills me with joy to call you out as a FRAUD, and to point out that your comments make no contact at all with anything Zinn said, wrote or did (please see my comments above to "interact": they apply equally to you):
        http://frontpagemag.com/2010/01/30/spitting-on-ho

        Please, please, please: let some sunshine disinfect your brain.

        No, wait, that might not be medically advisable. Try…um…thinking and speaking with some integrity?

        Yeah, that's it!

      • karim

        No,love is a very human thing.Atheists love,Buddhists love,Communists love,Muslims love, hell even Frontpage Magazine readers love.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      Are you done now, Karim?

      The greatest difference between people is the struggle of people who love God, family, and country, and those who would destroy all in a heartbeat, if they had a chance.

      It is our purpose to see to it those the destroyers never get that chance …

      • Karim

        That sounds like a call to arms.To accuse your fellow Americans of wanting destroy all that you people supposedly cherish, simply for trying to help their fellow man is a travesty.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

        How do you account people who don''t fear anthropomorphic Super-Spirits, but who nevertheless live with care, sensitivity, integrity and love? Are they impossible in your worldview? How does that work?

        And if you're sure about it, what's the basis of your certainty? Are you really sure? *Really*? Is there something wrong with allowing yourself to doubt? If so, what, exactly, is wrong with it? How would you explain, to someone who wants to understand, but is unwilling to accept things on the sole basis of authority?

    • Tryon

      If "love" means love of country, then mark Horowitz among the haves and Zinn among the envious have-nots.

      • Karim

        Haters of all things American?Like Jim Crow,racial segregation and dropping Napalm on children?He wrote a book from the point of view of the average American,how can he hate all things american?Did Martin Luther King hate all things American when he fought against racial injusticce?Are all things in your America so perfect that you cant challenge them,that you have to be called a Stalinist for wanting a better America?

        • VN Vet

          Finally, the story about the U.S. military dropping Napalm on children is a fraud. It's a fake story. The "journalist" who took the pictures has admitted it was a fraud.

        • VN Vet

          Karim, you are a victim of propaganda. From the time of Lincoln, a republican, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the republicans were on the right side of history. The democ-rats weren't. They were the party that invented the KKK, to punish and kill blacks and republicans. The democ-rats filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Led by Robert Byrd, still a dem senator from WV. Martin Luther King was a republican, as was Jackie Robinson btw. Charleton Heston fought for racial justice too, he marched with MLK, but because he was a republican he was reviled by the left. Figure it out. Zinn wanted an America, Soviet style. Figure it out. He hated everything about America, from it's founding to present. Figure it out. Zinn didn't write anything from the people's point of view. By far the majority of people in the U.S. are happy and proud of their country and are repulsed by Zinn's vision. They know it's not perfect, but they are also smart enough to know that it's by far the best country in the world, and for the world. Zinn wrote from the Soviet point of view.

          • VN Vet

            I also should have mentioned that dems Fullbright (Klinton's mentor) and Al Gore Sr., were segregationists.

          • AntiFascist18

            Thank you, VN Vet, and for your service to our nation too.

            And who else kissed Byrd's white sheet covered anal cavity besides Obama.?(Yep, he bussed Byrdie's ass right after he sucked off Uncle Jeremiah).

            Zinn…The Jewish-born Nazi apologist, Stalinist fraud who bowed down to his oh-so-tolerant buddies in Mecca, Tehran, Gaza and the Afghan hills.

          • coyote3

            Please, I must take exception with part of your writing. Lincoln=The American Lenin was, "indeed" on the winning side of a war, but it remains to be seen if he was "right." Indeed, slaves continued to be held in union states until "after" the War of Northern Aggression was over. His emancipation proclamation is kind of humorous, when you consider this. It only applied to the states which were in rebellion. I know, there were parts of these states in union hands, at that time, but those parts of those states were no longer in rebellion.

          • VN Vet

            If you look at the Lincoln-Douglas debates, which preceded Lincoln's being President, it's easy enough to see Lincoln was anti-slavery. BTW the Civil War is over, you lost.

          • Lary9

            Are you really a VietNam vet?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

        Tyron –

        Please feel free to enjoy my comments above to "interact":
        http://frontpagemag.com/2010/01/30/spitting-on-ho
        They're for you, too!

    • Lary9

      Well said, Karim. You hit the bullseye. [See my comment above:
      "I believe that the ideas I affirm and the fellowship that I value should make me a better man...."]

  • 2maxpower

    you are too kind David. the man (Zinn) was evil.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

      You and David are too "evil", 2maxpower. Zinn was kind. And you don't know what you're talking about.
      http://frontpagemag.com/2010/01/30/spitting-on-ho
      (Btw, I personally have no use for the word "evil", and only ever use it rhetorically, or in reflecting back or adapting someone else's usage.)

  • Vlad

    David Horowitz was too kind.
    Howard Zinn has joined his ideological mishpokhe in the kingdom of their spiritual leader. We find evidence of the existence of that kingdom in Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" – "Lest we forget at least an over -the-shoulder acknowledgement to the very first radical; from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer"
    Yes, Howard has been reunited with his ideological brothers and sisters – Josph Stalin, Lev Moiseyevich Kaganovich, Lev Aronovich Shvartsman, Matvei Berman, Henrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov, Lavrentii Beria, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Emma Goldman, Saul Alinsky…

    • StLucie

      Zinn is not the only lickspittle. Go on over to Atlas Shrugs and take a look at Illinois 11th grade Government class recommendations. http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

      Is it any coincidence that "Vlad" rhymes with "sad"? Perhaps, since I could also characterize your comments as "delusional fantasy", but that doesn't change your name to "Vlusional Vlantasy".

      Nor does it make it the case that, if you changed your name to Vlensible, your remarks would be any less nonsensical. So, ok, this "What's in a Name" theory is going to have to go.

      You should go, too. Go to this link: http://frontpagemag.com/2010/01/30/spitting-on-ho
      If that link doesn't work for you, you can take yourself to the location. It's my comments (a few pages above) to "interact". They apply to you, too.

      Dear me! What a mess! What a terrible, terrible mess of brains!

    • Guest

      I don't know that Emma Goldman should be on this list of Zinns fellowship in hell. Her book "My Disillusionment with Russia" was a pretty straight forward depiction of the evil present even under Lenin. Certes she was no Stalinoid robotnik like Zinn.

  • Karim

    Morons of the world unite!
    Cherished motto of the ueber-moronic Frontpage Magazine

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      Lol, that's marx edited for accuracy. Why am I not surprised you'd quote him? At least we're smart enough to know what a bad idea marxism is moron.

  • bushlikesdick2

    David is lying about NPR calling — they can care less what he thinks and they don’t sound bites. That was David doing a lame soundbite on NPR without them even knowing about. It doesn’t matter anyhow because FPM isn’t even a blip on their radar.
    So he goes on about some other smuck site that I haven’t even heard of then he starts his communist rampage. You must be very sick with anger and rage. Did someone abuse you David?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      Dicky,

      Of course, you have proof that David is lying, correct? You wouldn't make such a statement without being to back it up, right?

      • bushlikesdick2

        I stand corrected — NPR did interview Horowitz. Here is the complete transcript published on NPR's website: (sorry, no sound bites for you)

        http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?stor

        After you actually read how Horowitz responded, it shouldn't be of any suprise that the likes of NPR should ever care what he thinks. David is a vile person with no class

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

          You make him sound like zinn, maybe you're confused again. Such a classy handle you use.

        • VN Vet

          Well duh, like NPR would care what a patriot thinks. The only reason they called David was to get sound bites to use against him. With their audience that is.

    • AntiFascist18

      So does Obama – probably yours, fascist girlieboy.

      If anyone is lying it is girlieboys like you and the other Zinn loving Hitlerites.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

        Zinn-loving Hitlerites? What a delightfully bizarre concept! I bet you belive in square triangles, too!

        You call yourself "AntiFascist". And you associate Zinn with Hitler. You apparently are unaware that Zinn voluntarily risked his life to fight fascism in WWII, because he so greatly feared and hated it.

        What would you risk your life for, "AntiFascist"? We know that you would waste your time on a forum like this, slandering proven anti-fascists like Zinn; the proof is in on that.

        I suggest you get your Thumb out of that pudding.

        I mean, out of your a**.

        • davarino

          Hey Lex Luthor, the soviets fought against Hitler as well. So he was a commie fighting against the nazis, yippie. I still spit on his grave, hope he has fun with his buddies stalin and mao.

    • Poppakap

      Hey dicklover, since you finish your handle with "2", I assume that means you do to. Projection has a funny way of revealing peoples natures…

  • Karim

    No, Marsconi.I dont hate anyone of you.Hate is a precious and also dangerous
    resource.I dont waste it on people like you.You just make me sick.Thats all.

  • dbguru

    Well now larry9, karim and bushlikesdick thanks for exposing yourselves for what you are, a troika of irrelevent little piss ants looking for anthils to piss of. And larry9 taking another shower just won't wash the left wing stench off of your scaberous body. And bush… that handle is just so infantile that it could only be a reflection of an IQ so far south of a retarded field mouse as to defy detection!

  • BMW61

    Looks like the lefty obots are attacking David…. Are ya scared of them??? Saul Alinsky would be proud of them, cut you see you libtards we are on to you and your tactics and ya know……………………WE DON"T CARE!!! WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND WE ARE…BYE BYE ALINSKY!

  • Neil

    After reading submissions by Mr. Horowitz over the past six (6) months, I think that this country would be a lot better off if he was a member of the house of representatives or the senate. He writes and speaks with eloquence, and he's not afraid to tell it like it really is. To borrow a phrase, he's "Fair and Balanced". Refreshing, to say the least.

    • dbguru

      Actually sir, I believe the oval office might be a better place.

      • Karim

        Or in the oral office,sucking corporate dick.Thats what he is good at.

        • VN Vet

          Oh my, those awful corporations, the cazinnskites just abhor those awful corporations that provide products and jobs and services for half the people in the country. Many of those products and services we would be hard pressed to live without. And some, such as medical drugs and equipment many of us literally could not live without. Those nasty corporations that donate billions of dollars each year to their communities for ball fields, parks, swimming pools, museums, schools, scholarships, community centers, etc. You name it. Think of all the products that come from OIL. If all of a sudden the left got their way and OIL was gone, think of the absolute pickle we'd be in. Nope, there's nothing to take it's place. Not in any life sustaining proportion. LMAO, and they call themselves "progressives." I have heard them referred lately to re-gressives. Much more accurate.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

          You Lefties sure do have an obsession with a certain disgusting sexual act, don't you?

      • VN Vet

        Now of course it is true that Corporations don't pay taxes. Those are paid de facto by consumers of the products and services. But that fact doesn't stop leftists from demanding higher taxes for corporations. Or regulations, which have the same effect. When prices become untenable, then jobs have to be cut or operations scaled back. What's the best thing you can do with a sluggish economy to get it back on track? Answer: cut taxes across the board, cut or eliminate the capital gains tax, and put a moritorium on regulation. God knows we've got enough regulation in this country. Somewhat off subject, but here's a novel idea, get a constitutional amendment that mandates that for every law the government passes they have to repeal 5 old ones. Just think of the good this would do to the tax code alone.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/M_McF_ M_McF_

    I could never embrace Howard Zinn's peculiar perspective of humanity and history. It is not that my family, my ancestors did not share in the hardships of a life in a new land, but we just looked at it as part of life — and then worked around it. It would be so much better for the pysche of the nation to put Zinn in the dust bin where he belongs and we began celebrating the tenacity that is necessary for every individual to survive. Stop envying the mythical silver spoon of privilege, and realize that everyone has to chew and swallow on their own. Rewrite our textbooks. Create our own documentaries celebrating American achievement despite hardship. This is reality: some people prefer wallowing in injustice; others see every obstacle as an opportunity — and who lives a better life for it?

  • Tryon

    "No one should celebrate the death of another human being unless they are child-molesters or murderers." Or Islamists – but on second thought, that would be a redundant addition to the first two categories.

  • BS1977

    Hey Karim, how does it feel to be one of the indoctrinated leftist brainwashees? Lock step for Marcuse, Chomsky, Zinn, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Alinsky, and all the rest of the commie, hate America, hate Israel, hate hate hate crowd……Howard Zinn was a sick man , just like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che and all the rest of your psychopathic heroes. Try to wipe the leftist garbage away from your mind and see the reality. The left stands for Orwellian tyranny, repression, robotic socialism, bureaucracy, micro management of society, total control, the end of freedom and liberty…..societies like the former East Germany, Ceaucescu's horrible Romania, Burma, North Korea and Maoist China…..hell on earth, you idiot.

    • gavin steinbach

      You just don't get it do you? There is no NWO, there is no Maoist China, you're living it right now! Do you know anything about the countries you mentioned? All you know about them is what you've been told by the people that control(ed) your education. You're Alex Jones carbon-copied beliefs are just another form of control; christianity, pro-capitalism, and all that other crap is just put there to waste your time. You talk about how the NWO is going down and the Jews are conspiring against you and don't realize that the ideologies you accept without a second thought are put in place by the very people you want to fight. You really think a 2000 year old religion is untouched? Your so-called "shadow government" are the ones putting out the "god and country" propaganda and your FOX news, so why do you only reject parts of the mainstream media and blindly follow the others that fit with your beliefs? It's all crap, never take anything on faith and don't trust what anyone tells you, hell, I don't even want you to trust me, just look at thinks as if anything is possible and never be completely sure of anything.

  • Joe

    Howard Zinn served in WWII and marched for civil rights. Did David Horowitz serve in WWII? No. Zinn was more of patriot than illiterate Horowitz will ever be. Case closed.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      David's age might have been a problem with serving in WWII, Joe.

      So, David Horowitz is "illiterate" because he disagrees with you. I see that we're going to have to redefine the word.

      Case open.

      • AL.

        Now, stupid joe closes case ?!

        • Joe

          Zinn had a PhD from Columbia and a lengthy academic career. Horowitz has a Master's in English (a bullshit degree) and has published nothing that has been peer-reviewed. Hence the "illiterate" comment.
          Also, Horowitz definitely could have served in Vietnam but at the time he was busy supporting the Black Panthers. Once the war was safely over and he was in no danger of actually serving he suddenly switched from being on the Left to becoming what he is today.

          • bushlikesdick2

            So are you saying I need to change my screen name to HorowitzlikesDick?

      • Joe

        Apologies for the repost. I accidentally replied to the AL instead of Stephen.

        Zinn had a PhD from Columbia and a lengthy academic career. Horowitz has a Master's in English (a bullshit degree) and has published nothing that has been peer-reviewed. Hence the "illiterate" comment.
        Also, Horowitz definitely could have served in Vietnam but at the time he was busy supporting the Black Panthers. Once the war was safely over and he was in no danger of actually serving he suddenly switched from being on the Left to becoming what he is today.

        • VN Vet

          "Zinn had a PhD from Columbia", nuff said. You ruined the credibility of your post right off the bat.

          • Joe

            YEAH THOSE GOD DAMN RICH EAST COAST ELITE BRATS.
            Seriously? Horowitz got his BA from Columbia and his Master's from Berkeley.
            What do you say to that?

            Also, just FYI Zinn was born to factory workers in the 20s and lived a large portion of his life in poverty. Yet despite that and the world war, he was able to finish his education. He was never a part of the east coast elite.

          • VN Vet

            "Horowitz got his BA from Columbia and his Master's from Berkeley.
            What do you say to that? "

            Well duh, it explains why he was a leftist for the first half of his life.

          • bushlikesdick2

            No it doesn't — explains why he was the Black Panthers litttle bitch boy during the vietnam draft. Berkeley is a 15 minute drive from Oakland which is where the Black Panther base is.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

          I earned an PhD from Princeton AND served in Vietnam.

          David was opposed to the war in Vietnam, until he left the Black Panther Party, sometime in 1974 (after the murder of Betty van Patter). His movement to the Right … which is the real reason the Left hates him … began after that.

          Note that 1974 was too late for David to have entered military service. He would have been 35, and the law … at that time … required you to complete Basic Training and AIT before your 35th birthday.

    • AntiFascist18

      You stupid fascist ass…

      Yeah he served in WWII, AND REGRETTED BOMBING THE NAZIS!

      He NEVER REGRETTED BEING A STOOGE OF UNCLE JOE STALIN.

      Case closed on this piece of stinkin' dreck. He hated America, he hated Israel, and he was fucking self-hater who equated Hamas with the victims of genocidal bombings in Israel.

      And you're as much as Nazi, Joe as Zinn was a Kapo. Hopefully Soros and Chomsky will join him very soon – in HELL.

      • John

        "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." — Benito Mussolini

        I don't think you're actually antifascist.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/UncleSamIAm UncleSamIAm

    The parallel universes that we are living today is apparent in the comments posted here. Thanks to all defending the principles for which this Nation was founded. Zinn's misguided dialogue and its effect on others is cause for great distress to Uncle Sam. I am hopeful that the power of logic and patriotism will prevail over ignorance. God bless all patriots and God Bless America.

  • Karim

    As if the memory and the academic status of a moral giant like Howard Zinn could ever be tainted by a punch of illiterate piss-midget warriors.If we believed in string theory, would it ever be possible that in any of the unending parallel universes anything scribbled by whats his name again,oh yeah Horowitz king of the piss-midget warriors,would ever be taught in a parralel universe college?

    • dbguru

      You truly are an idiotic irrelevent little piss ant. That ant hill your looking for is over there Tehran, why don't you catch the first flight out?

    • VN Vet

      "a moral giant like Howard Zinn ", hee, hee.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

        Dittos, Vet!

    • deathinjune

      Karim, don't be bothered, only a tiny group of single, aging, paranoid fascists visit this website. Their children, and their children's children laugh at their insane conspiracy theories, racism, ignorance and simple-minded conservatism. They will all soon be history

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      Stalinists are moral giants, riiiight…

  • BS1977

    Moral giant…hahahahahahaha….Karim….Zinn thought Stalin was a moral giant. You are another brainwashed idiot living in leftist la la land. You post a lot but you don't say anything new…more of the predictable leftist ranting and raving…..just like the rest of those who grovel before Mao, Che and Pol Pot….Go live in North Korea and post from there.

  • Karim

    Lets settle this once and for all:bring me the evidence that Zinn praised Stalin.I want to see the quotation and the source.Thats what normal people do.Normal people.I like the sound of that.For all your ranting and your raving against Stalin,you have no problem with Stalinist methods.Slander,torture,trial by military commission,detention camps,aggressive warfare.
    This site revels in all these particularly stalinist pleasantries,accusing everyone who opposes them of being a stalinist.

    • Joe

      I am also to curious as to when Zinn ever expressed sympathy for Stalin. Can anyone here provide a link? Horowitz doesn't cite anything.

      • Karim

        Joe,
        the name of the game is slander.It is like waving a piece of fresh meat infront of a pack of starved dogs.The reaction of the dogs is always the same.Citing anything and thereby adhering to civilized standards will ruin the game.

    • VN Vet

      "Slander,torture,trial by military commission,detention camps,aggressive warfare"

      Warfare should always be implemented aggressively. If you are attempting to compare the other Stalinist traits to republicans such as, let's say Bush/Cheney, it's a far reach. Unless you were born since Viet Nam, or you have lived in a vacuum, you would know what really constitutes torture. Check out the Japanese, Chinese, North Vietnamese, North Koreans, then you will see that waterboarding is a walk in the park on Sunday. Not that I particularly cared. If you're trying to compare our miltary commissions to the stacked show trials of the Stalin purges, no luck again. Miltary Commissions have been the norm in dealing with combatants since 1787. During WWII enemy combatants were held in detention camps (on American soil) without any trial or commission until the end of hostilities. .

    • VN Vet

      If you're trying to compare Club Gitmo to the Gulags, um..good luck there. So you're left with slandering, what, the terrorists? Actually, if you substitute the democ-rats for Bush/Cheney, you have a case. One of the prerequisites for slandering, and stacking evidence (as with the Stalin purges) is to have the media doing the dirty work for you. This fits well with the dems, re: Rove, Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, and a couple of dozen more. The show trials the dems carried out in Congress fits well too: Rove, Mendendez, Ashcroft, et al. The show trials regarding the 10 fired U.S. attorneys. Klinton fired all, what was it 106? Everyone anyway. Some were even working on the White Water scandal and the Klinton's involvement in the failure of the Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan in Arkansas. However, that's the President's preogative. They serve at his pleasure. So some of those Stalinist tactics do work for the commiecrats.

      • Twiggy

        I CAN ALSO STRING RANDOM WORDS TOGETHER AND MAKE THEM SOUND LIKE A COHERENT THOUGHT

        THE CAT WAS WITH FOOTBALL ON TUESDAY BUT TURNING ONLY MADE IT MORE NAUSEOUS.

        SEE?

  • Karim

    Something you people should learn:moral principles are worthless if you dont adhere to them.Calling Zinn a Stalinist and then promoting every Stalinist virtue on earth is quite dumb.Then again whom am I talking to?

  • Tom

    Howard Zinn was a scumbag of the worst order. I wouldn't waste good spittle on his rotten grave. When I visit it, I will piss on it.

  • bushlikesdick2

    I stand corrected — NPR did interview Horowitz. Here is the complete transcript published on NPR's website: (sorry, no sound bites for you)

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?stor

    After you actually read how Horowitz responded, it shouldn't be of any suprise that the likes of NPR should ever care what he thinks. David is a vile person with no class

    • bushlikesdick2

      Go to NPR.org and type in "David Horowitz" in their search engine and it will be the second from the top. I don't want to spend anymore time on it because most of you are no better than he is.

      May God deal with you people in his good time.

      I wash my hands of you punks — see you in hell.

  • Karim

    Oh yeah,I want to be relevant like Horowitz and all the decent,god fearing,humane and educated people typing kind,loving and thoughful articles on Frontpage Magazine.Teach me Obi Wan.

  • "gunner"

    i plan to pour a quart of whiskey over zinn's grave, after first filtering it through my kidneys of course.

    • VN Vet

      LOL!

  • Karim

    That was a reply to dbguru,defence minister of piss-midgetry and mighty patriotic warrior of piss-midget county.He calls me idiotic.

    • dbguru

      No I called you an irrwlwvwnt little pis any looking for an ant hill to piss off of. However if you like idiot so well I can add that one too. How's your flight to Tehran?

  • bushlikesdick2

    I use to be a conservative. Voted for Reagan twice and admire Bush Sr. dearly. Sense after how 9/11 was handled, I quickly moved to the center and more recently I have been leaning left.

    After reading this article and then reading NPR's transcript, I coming to the conclusion that there is no place for religion — Judism, Christainity, Islam, or any other. All this sickness comes from the root of all evil — religion.

    I can't imagine the type of character it takes to say the things I read and hear after the death ofTed Kennedy, this guy, and maybe others.

    Maybe I don't pay attention but I just don't hear the left act as cut throat and insensitive as Horowitz was.

    It was as if he is just an opportunist of the worse kind.

    • Tom

      What other religion today is killing innocent men, women, and children in the name of their religion other than Islam? The sickness is only coming from the Islamo facists. And don't play the McVeigh card on me either. He didn't kill in the name of God. He killed because he hated out government…nothing to do with religion. Also, don't play the killing-of-abortion-doctors card either. Those clowns killed the doctors out of their view of justice and morality…not for any religion.

      • Karim

        No sorry, you kill them for "democracy".That is so much better.But it is Christians doing the killing,with rifles whose serial numbers often consists of bible verses.Very nice.Dont play this "but they do in the name of religion game", because you will lose.
        The body count on their side if far larger.Like you care.

        • VN Vet

          LMAO. Yer a nut.

    • therealend

      Washing your hands of us punks doesn't come easy for you, does it? Will you be here tomorrow too? See you then.

    • VN Vet

      There's a sure cure for your disease. Just spend a few hours perusing the leftist sites like the Democ-rat Underground, Daily-Kos, Media Matters, Huffing n Puffing post, etc. You will then come to appreciate the gentle manners of this blog.

    • AntiFascist18

      Hey, stop your lying. You were never a Conservative. A Muslim like Karim perhaps, a Nazi, probably. But never a Conservative. Honestly you're too stupid and obnoxious to be one.

  • Karim

    Jesus,the quality of people wanting to piss on the grave of a dead man.I am going to sleep now, but I am still waiting for that quote from Zinn where he reveals himself a monstrous Stalinist out to slaughter puppies and render fatwas against apple pie and cheer leaders.

  • jptho

    David is correct again.

  • therealend

    From the above blog: "while I was interviewed for ten minutes, out of what I said only a 20 second sound-bite would make it onto the air.

    NPR editing distilled what he said into what you read. Were you trying to fool anyone with that? Try reading an entire David Horowitz book sometime. It won't hurt. Promise.

  • BS1977

    All the more reason to take terrorist conspirators and foreign armed combatant enemies of the US : put them in military custody…forget the open trials, the media presence and all the propaganda….take that imbecile underwear bomber and put him in Gitmo with KSM and the rest of the dregs….military tribunal and firing squad….A nice ending to a horror story. 9/11 Never Forget!! NYFD in Memory of your heroism and sacrificies…

    • Karim

      Stalinism anyone?

  • BS1977

    Hey Bushlikesdick….could you correct your grade school spelling and pea brained grammar once in awhile?

  • Ali Bubba

    karim doesn't want all of you to know that he is an IslamoNazi follower of a Psychopath murderer. No wonder that he comments like this. Commies and Jihadis support each other

    • Karim

      The only thing I follow is your mom you fascist xenophobic cockroache.

  • Karim

    Did you ever consider that it was communits who fought fascism,whenever it raised its ugly head in Europe?Your hatred for all things communists is breathtaking and is one of the hallmarks of fascism as defined by Umberto Eco.

    • VN Vet

      Actually the Fascists and the Communists were allied at the beginning of WWII. Remember they both sliced Poland up pretty good. Their falling out came with Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union. If not for that they would have been together throughout. And in the U.S., the communists agitated for the U.S. to stay out of the war right up until Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. There's not a nickel's worth of difference between communism and fascism. Note how the commies/democ-rats hate Israel, that's fascism.

  • Karim

    I would much rather be a communist then a loony conservative ignorant evangelical who thinks Adam had quality time with dinosaurs.No I am not a communist,I am not even an Atheist.

  • Patrick Butler

    Zinn's comment about Cuba is a classic case of taking part of a larger commentary out of context. Here is the complete version of the story from page 657 in a discussion of the Clinton Years

    "Human rights clearly came second to business profit in U.S. foreign policy. When the international group Human Rights Watch issued its 1996 annual report, the New York Times (December 5, 1996) summarized its findings:

    The organization strongly criticized many powerful nations, particularly the United States, accusing them of failing to press governments in China, Indonesia, Mexico, Nigeria, and Saudi Arabia to improve human rights for fear of losing access to lucrative markets.

    This criticism was borne out by the Clinton Administration's bizarre approach to two nations, China and Cuba, both of which considered themselves "communist." China had massacred protesting students in Beijing in 1991 and put dissenters in prison. Yet the United States continued to give China economic aid and certain trade privileges ("most favored nation" status) for the sake of U.S. business interests.

    Cuba had imprisoned critics of the regime, but had no bloody record of suppression as did communist China or other governments in the world that received U.S. aid.

    • VN Vet

      "Cuba had imprisoned critics of the regime, but had no bloody record of suppression as did communist China or other governments in the world that received U.S. aid."

      Do you have any idea what a lie this is. I would say that based on a per capita basis, Castro and Che's Cuba was the bloodier of the two.

      • trickyblain

        And you base that assertion on….?

        • VN Vet

          Empirical Evidence. Check out Humberto Fontova in the archives. Why do we always have to do your research. You a lazy bum?

          • Lary9

            I just checked the reference you cited 'Humberto Fontova'. Aside from the well known execution squads right after the revolution, of which Che was in charge, there is little pointing to anything but standard thuggery…no genocide political or otherwise.

      • Lary9

        You are a regular wunderkind. What a command of such subtle, hidden data! So hidden that it exists only in the fevered ether of your imagination.

    • VN Vet

      "Cuba had imprisoned critics of the regime, but had no bloody record of suppression as did communist China or other governments in the world that received U.S. aid."

      Do you have any idea what a lie this is. I would say that based on a per capita basis, Castro and Che's Cuba was the bloodier of the two.

  • poetcomic1

    Moral? Giant? Howard? Zinn???

  • Karim

    Your willingness to savagely denounce,some folks even want firing squads,your fellow American citizens betrays you.Actually I take back what I said before,nobody here is conservatives.You people are just plain nuts.

    • VN Vet

      I don't consider traitors 'fellow American citizens'.

  • Karim

    As a Palestinian the fact that Zinn was Jewish barely even registers in my mind.That is the great about Ethics.They are universal.They dont respect artificial boundaries.In fact it is wonderful to be progressive.You people should should try it sometime.

    • VN Vet

      Commie Jews are ok huh? How about Jews like Horowitz who are anti-communist? Does that register in your mine????

  • karim

    "the great thing about ethics"

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MalcolmC MalcolmC

    …how do you accout *for* people who don't fear…

  • Aardvark

    Just reposting this – a thirty-odd page "People's History" of the Vietnam war that neglects to mention the USSR? Really? I call that "sinister". And typical.

  • Jack

    Can anyone point me to a passage where Zinn praised Stalin? I'm pretty sure that Zinn thought Stalin was a monster and that David Horowitz is lying, as usual. But I'll be happy to eat these words if someone can correct me. Thanks.

    • AntiFascist18

      Read "You Can't be Neutral on a Moving Train"…it's all there, boychik. The rationalization for Stalin, the equating in more negative terms the U.S.A. with the USSR. That was even before he fully turned on Israel.

      • Jack

        I have read You Can't Be Neutral on a Moving Train. I don't have access to it at the moment, but an internet search shows that he mentions "Joseph Stalin and the Gulags of murder and torture" toward the beginning of the book. In A People's History, he wrote that Stalin "killed peasants for industrial progress." In an essay I found on his web site (http://www.howardzinn.org/default/index.php?optio… he referred to, "Khrushchev's startling revelation of Stalin's crimes at the 20th Party Congress." And in his play Marx in Soho, he had Marx go on at length about how the Soviet Union was a horrible perversion of Marxism

        • Lary9

          Ditto, Jack. And good digging on the facts.