The Canary in the Gold Mine


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It has become a cliché by this time that Israel is the canary in the coal mine, signaling to those still on the surface, that is, those who believe they are above the fray, the dangers that await in the future if precautions are not taken. And like all clichés, it articulates a general truth. As Eric Hoffer famously said in a 1968 article for the Los Angeles Times, “I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel, so it will go with all of us. Should Israel perish, the holocaust will be upon us.”

Echoing Hoffer, Dutch Party for Freedom (PPV) leader Geert Wilders affirmed in a speech delivered in Tel Aviv on December 5, 2010 in praise and support of the Jewish state, “It is here that our civilization is under attack…It is here that Israel has lit the light of freedom and that Europeans and Americans must help the Israelis to keep that light shining in the darkness.” For Israel is the West’s frontline army in the war against militant Islam, its “forlorn hope” (from the Dutch verleren hoop, soldiers placed in the most dangerous position or leading the charge).

As I wrote in Hear, O Israel!, “not until we can arrive at some understanding of the upsurge of Jew-hatred in the West and the red herring of anti-Zionism, whether in the form of public odium and acts of anti-Semitic vandalism or in the flagrant anti-Israeli drift of the media, the Academy, the Churches and the European polity, will we be in a position to confront our weakness and complicity.” Only when we realize that, in adopting the Islamic attitude vis à vis Jews and the Jewish state, we are seeking to conciliate instead of confronting the forces arrayed against us, which only renders us more vulnerable in the long run.

But although Israel remains a fixture in the press and elicits a disproportionate amount of public and official denunciation, few of us invest much time thinking about the canary as such and what it portends. On the contrary, it is often viewed as wholly expendable and, indeed, many of us are hoping that it will expire quickly, a climactic mistake to be redeemed by its disappearance. Clearly, the Jewish state may be the West’s sacrificial canary but that does not inspire gratitude. Israel can be happily relinquished to the noxious fumes of the Muslim Middle East, after which the West can either follow suit or, now forewarned, take appropriate measures.

But the imminent priority is the erasure of the Jewish state as we know it from the map, whether by Ahmadinejadian means, or through diplomacy and coercion, or by the application of economic pressure and international ostracism. Popular options such as the so-called “one state” (aka bi-national) solution, advocated by anti-Zionist intellectuals like the late Tony Judt, or demographic inundation via the Palestinian insistence on the “right of return” of five million instant “refugees” would do the job most effectively. (For this latter prospect, we have the U.N. to thank for violating its own rule granting refugee status to the first generation only.) As former Canadian Justice Minister Irwin Cotler has written, “In the past, the most dangerous anti-Semites were those who wanted to make the world Judenrein, ‘free of Jews.’ Today, the most dangerous anti-Semites might be those who want to make the world Judenstaatrein, ‘free of a Jewish state.’”

Naturally, attacking Israel as a racist or fascist or colonial or apartheid state is how one gets one’s anti-Semitism for free. It is in this way that one indulges one’s Jew-hatred without having to pay a single conscience-minted penny for one’s moral opprobrium and toxic irrationality. One can be both contemptible and ignorant while passing off these vices as deeply strenuous virtues, namely, as compassion and the love of justice. (Translation: backing the Palestinian cause and accepting its largely spurious narrative.) But such attitudes are deadly “virtues” when divorced from reality—in this particular case, from the dispensations of international law, from genuine historical knowledge and from the incontestable facts on the ground, which serve to establish the Jewish state as both a legitimate and meritorious member of the international community. Far less can be said for the Ba’athist entity in Syria, the Hashemite entity in Jordan, the Hezbollah entity in Lebanon, the Mullocratic entity in Iran or the Palestinian entities in Gaza and the West Bank.

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  • muchiboy

    “It is here that our civilization is under attack…It is here that Israel has lit the light of freedom and that Europeans and Americans must help the Israelis to keep that light shining in the darkness.”

    I might say we are dealing here with the glass half empty,the glass half full.While the supporters of Israel can point to democratic attributes of Israeli society,rule of law,etc.that may be a rarity in the neighborhood and region,Israeli abuses of the Palestinian people has to be front and center when we judge this UN creation( from the horrors of the true Holocaust).Let us be very clear on this,the Western liberal Democracies would not engage nor tolerate the Human Rights abuses nor the Crimes against Humanity and the Palestinian that Israel stands accused of.Until the glass is full,Israel must be viewed in the light of her failures ,not her successes.
    The canary in the coal mine could just as well be applied to the all too common human rights abuses in the region as characterized by the Palestinians and ignored by the Israel and her Western supporters. muchiboy

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Israeli abuses of the Palestinian people has to be front and center when we judge this UN creation( from the horrors of the true Holocaust)

      Israel never abuses so-called Palestinians, which, by the way, are the proxies of the Dar al Islam in the Dar al Islam’s eternal jihad being waged not only against Israel but indeed the entire non-Islamic world. Instead, Israel only acts in self-defense. If we disarmed the so-called Palestinians, nothing would happen to the so-called Palestinians. In fact, prior to 1994 when Israel administered the so-called Palestinians, they were far more affluent and better off than they are today. However, if Israel were suddenly disarmed, it would immediately result in the total destruction of Israel and another genocide of Jews.

      Not to mention also all their contributions to mankind as mentioned in this article would also be loss forever as well. Indeed, the tiny nation state of Israel has contributed far more to mankind in its 62 year history that the entire 1400 year old civilization of Islam.

      Your problem is you are letting your obsessive Jew hatred get the best of you and blind you to reality. Hence, even though you are a target of the same global jihad that is being waged against Israel and indeed the entire non-Islamic world, you are so consumed with Jew hatred that you totally ignore the global jihad that threatens you as well, while at the same time you obsessively incite hatred and violence against your own ally every chance you get. Indeed, you have to seriously hate something to become that delusional and self-hating!

      Moreover, if you weren’t totally overwhelmed and consumed by Jew hatred, there is no way you could possibly believe half the Jew hating propaganda you swallow, because as propaganda goes, it is piss poor, shallow, and incredibly easy to discredit. Indeed, it sucks to be you.

      Let us be very clear on this,the Western liberal Democracies would not engage nor tolerate the Human Rights abuses nor the Crimes against Humanity and the Palestinian that Israel stands accused of.

      All of those accusations are not only factually not true, they are pretexts used to justify jihad and to incite hatred and violence against Israel, and if you weren’t totally consumed by Jew hatred, exceedingly narrow-minded, and incredibly ignorant to begin with, you’d be able to see right through that taqiyya too. Indeed, it is very obvious that you are addicted to letting your emotions control your actions, while people not nearly as mentally handicapped as you are thankfully let rational thinking control their actions. Again, it sucks to be you!

      • lovezion

        OYM, is he Christian? Or islamic? [purposely left small i] he he he!

    • stern

      OYM, Muchiboy is an unrepentant anti-Zionist who perfectly fits the description given by Solway above, when he says "anti-Semites and anti-Zionists—who are for the most part one and the same and proliferate almost everywhere we look these days". I have "debated" muchiboy frequently and he is very proud of his background of having fought on behalf of the colonialist, apartheid regime of Rhodesia. He has now turned his hatred – or, perhaps, his guilt – against Israel, masking his true feelings about his own "white" superiority.

    • MixMChess

      "Israeli abuses of the Palestinian people has to be front and center when we judge this UN creation( from the horrors of the true Holocaust)."

      How is Israel abusing the Palestinians when it provides them with millions in aid and the equivalent of one ton of humanitarian aid per resident of Gaza alone? Of course you judge Israel with a double standard. How bout you try and judging the Palestinians? The Jordanians? The Saudis? Even if you want to argue that all of the countries in the world are evil, Israel would still stand alone as the only righteous nation. That must really burn you up inside to see Jews so successful and more MORAL than YOU.

      By the way, Israel was not created as a result of the Holocaust. Zionism was founded in the late 19th century. Israel was well on its way to becoming a state with or without the Holocaust.

      "Until the glass is full,Israel must be viewed in the light of her failures ,not her successes"

      No, you are setting up impossible standards just so you can judge Israel alone among all nations. The Palestinians are a death cult and are the most abhorrent culture on earth, and you have the audacity to judge Israel. Go * yourself. You are intellectually dishonest and an anti-semite. Do us all a favor and play in some traffic.

      • lovezion

        Oh MixMChess i love some of your expressions. I wishh the mosty intelligent people here didn't west their time answering those ignoramus antisemites! I insist on all health and young Jews and sympathizers go to live in Israel and procreate a lot to make Israel BIGGER AND STRONGER!!! Instead of wastingn ourselves away "EDUCATING" those real useless idiots! I 'll post my idea here again…

    • suprkufrB

      You're an idiot; haven't you ever noticed that Israeli strikes occur only in response to unprovoked attacks against Israel from you disciples of the great paedophile? Of course you have, but your primitive thinking has been totally distorted by the millstone of taqiyya which enslaves you. Get a life.

    • Spirit_Of_1683

      Sorry Naziboy, the ovens at Auschwitz won't be brought back into use anytime soon. God, how that must upset an evil Jew-hating POS like yourself.

    • ziontruth

      "Until the glass is full,Israel must be viewed in the light of her failures ,not her successes."

      My gosh, you should be thankful the criminal justice system (anywhere in the world) doesn't work that way, or there'd be a prison overpopulation problem.

      God, who has the right to rule the world by justice alone, rules it by mercy as well because it wouldn't survive if He ruled by justice alone. You, a mere human being, wish the world to be ruled more harshly than God rules it. That speaks volumes.

  • waterwillows

    The upsurge of Jew-hatred in the west, has a great deal to do with the invasion of muslim communities coming into the western lands.
    It amounts to the same thing as allowing nazi parties to arrive, then build and preach their doctrine in the public forum and schools.
    It is their rabid Jew-hatred that inspires them to murder their Christian neighbours. As Christians are viewed not only as the infidel, but there must be no support for Israel.
    To hate the Jews is to hate all of humanity.

  • CanadConserv

    Why no peace? Barry Rubins succinctly explains.

    The Israel-Palestinian Conflict: Everything You Need to Understand Why It Continues
    By Barry Rubin

    When people ask me why the Arab-Israeli conflict is so misunderstood, the best and simplest way to explain is by citing the central problem; the contrast between reality and what seems logical to those who live in a far-off land that operates by different political rules, have little knowledge of the issues, or have drawn their information from media accounts.

    It is logical, but totally misleading, to see the conflict in the following manner:

    • Israel has won all the wars, controls the territories and enjoys the fruits of victory—land, independence and prosperity. The Palestinians are suffering miserably. All they want is a land of their own. Therefore, the conflict can be easily settled: Give them a state and everyone will live happily ever after. Issues like borders, security, refugees and Jerusalem are easily settled.

    • Why isn’t the conflict over? Because Israel is well off and does not want peace as a result, while the Palestinians are eager to end the conflict and be happy.

    • And/or, because no one has come along who is smart enough or has some clever formula to resolve the issue with a win-win solution in which everyone is happy and at peace.

    The missing element here, however, is that the Palestinian leadership is not, and has never been, eager for any compromise resolution. Its top priority has been total victory, possession of the entire land, with Israel’s disappearing from the map. If this seems to be an overstatement, it is because Palestinian politics and society are quite different from, say, that of the United States.

    The evidence that proves this proposition about unreadiness for peace is evident not only in history but in every television broadcast, radio clip or newspaper report; every textbook; every sermon; and every speech by leaders that comes out of Palestinian institutions. This is not necessarily what is expressed in English, when interviews are given to Western reporters, but it is about 99 percent of the output in Arabic.

    And the great majority of Israelis, wherever they are on the political spectrum, know this.

    For the Palestinian Authority and its governing party, Fatah, the goal is the transformation of all of the land into a Palestinian, Arab and Muslim state. For Hamas, it is the transformation of all of the land into an Islamist Palestinian state that is also Arab.

    Does every Palestinian believe this? Not at all. But to function and succeed in politics, it is almost impossible to reject such a goal. When individuals do come out with moderate statements—as happened when on October 13, Yasser Abed Rabbo’s stated that the Palestinian Authority might accept Israel as a Jewish state—they are quickly shouted down, threatened. and back down.

    • ziontruth

      "Does every Palestinian believe this? Not at all."

      I doubt that premise. It sounds so much like that "Tiny Minority of Extremist" canard we keep getting after every Islamic rampage.

  • CanadConserv

    Barry Rubin, con't

    But all of this makes sense, in a way. After all, if you believe total victory is possible and that anything less is unjust, cowardly, treasonous and even heretical, you are not inclined to want a compromise peace or to let anyone else make one.

    What, then, are the factors that prevent moderation and compromise, responses that would seem (to a Western observer) logical for the losers and underdogs, the occupied and poorer side in a conflict? I will answer that by briefly listing and discussing a long list of such factors, almost none of which ever make it into the media or academic literature.

    They include:

    • Even after all these years, there is profound misinformation and miscomprehension about Israel among Palestinians (and, generally, among Arabs and Muslims), viewing it not as a real country but as one that cannot last. Kill enough Israelis, damage the economy, cut it off from Western allies, and it is believed that Israel will crumble. Radicalism is enhanced by a monopoly on information in the hands of a political and clerical elite. Material benefit is not important to this movement which doesn't cares if the people are suffering. The leaders and activists view this suffering as worthwhile for the purpose of the cause. And, anyway, the leaders live in relative luxury.

    • Religious and political ideology, believing that the creator of the universe is on your side, guarantees victory. The idea that the proper organization of a revolution—the power of the aroused masses will defeat superior technology—is also a heady concept.

    • A political system in which the most militant wins, if necessary by flourishing a gun and threatening to kill dissidents, and in which moderates are branded as traitors, is very effective in inhibiting an alternative approach.

    • Poor leadership—first by the wacky Yasser Arafat and now by the weak Mahmoud Abbas, the PA leader—has prevented what has happened in many other movements: a strong, competent leader persuading the people of what they must do in order to gain a reasonable success. While Abbas is relatively moderate in Fatah terms, the majority of its leaders are quite hard line and continue to believe the traditional viewpoint.

    • There are also some easy rationales. For example, a peace agreement with Israel can only be made if it would not block a “second round” in which a Palestinian state can continue trying to destroy Israel. Of course, that kind of agreement would never be acceptable to Israel. The PA has always rejected the idea that a peace agreement would explicitly be a final settlement of all claims, an end to the conflict forever. The last resort of all is to argue that this generation has no right to “give up” the claim on all of Israel since, even if it cannot achieve that victory, it must leave the opportunity opemn for a future generations to do so.

    The peace process of the 1990s was an experiment to see if things had changed or could be changed by confidence-building measures and the creation of a Palestinian state-in-the-making. The experiment failed. It showed the answer was “no.” The rise of radical Islam and the absence of a strong leader has made the situation worse than it was in that earlier period.

    These problems cannot be waved away by good intentions or clever peace plans. They will prevent an end to the conflict for decades until Palestinian leadership and ideology changes.

    Barry Rubin is director of the Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs (MERIA) Journal.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      The missing element here, however, is that the Palestinian leadership is not, and has never been, eager for any compromise resolution. Its top priority has been total victory, possession of the entire land, with Israel’s disappearing from the map. If this seems to be an overstatement, it is because Palestinian politics and society are quite different from, say, that of the United States.

      Here’s the missing elements that Rubin leaves out of the equation because he is very nuanced, liberal, and blinded by political correct multiculturalism: The so-called Palestinians, which were created out of whole cloth in 1964 by the Soviet KGB in Moscow as a disinformation campaign, are in reality the proxies of the Dar al Islam. The fact of the matter is the creation of Israel in 1948 represented the establishment of Dar al Harb on land that was formerly Dar al Islam, and once land becomes Dar al Islam, according to Sharia, it must always remain Dar al Islam. To understand this fully you must also understand that Islam divides the world in two, Dar al Islam, i.e., the land of submission, and Dar al Harb, i.e., the land of war.

      Hence, the establishment of Israel on land that was formerly Dar al Islam, per Islamic Sharia law, constitutes an illegal occupation of Muhammadan land, which makes it a “fard ayn,” an individual obligation incumbent upon all Muhammadans to wage jihad against the kafir infidel Jews in Israel until such time as Israel is destroyed and the land that comprises Israel is rendered Dar al Islam via the imposition of Sharia.

      Thus, the conflict is not a conflict between just Israel and the so-called Palestinians, which are portrayed as the perpetual victims of Israel, but instead a jihad being waged by the Dar al Islam, which consist of approximately 1.5 billion Muhammadans, against the tiny kafir infidel state of Israel, which consist of approximately just 6 million Jews.

      Hence, those Israel defenders that inadvertently portray the conflict in the terms of it being a conflict between Israel and so-called Palestinians only or between Israel and Arabs only are unwittingly doing great harm to their own cause because it feeds the deception and misinformation that the Dar al Islam has been employing with great success to pursue their jihad against the kafir infidel state of Israel. In fact, Israel’s biggest nemesis today is Iran, and the Iranians are not even Arabs but Persians, which reveals that the jihad indeed involves the entire Islamic ummah and is much wider in scope than portrayed by the media.

      Indeed, when Obama and the media circus focus only on so-called illegal settlements that aren’t illegal at all, as being the main impediment to peace, Israel is portrayed in the context of being the rich and heartless oppressors of the poverty stricken so-called Palestinians, which wouldn’t be nearly so poverty stricken except for their harsh Jewish oppressors. However, despite this magician's sleight of hand meant to deceive you, the reality is the so-called Palestinians are not the perpetual victims of their Israeli oppressors, but instead the proxies of the Dar al Islam, whose sole purpose is to keep the pressure on Israel continuously to wear down their will to resist until such time as the final assault can come.

      Muhammad famously said, “War is deceit,” and since Muhammad was the most perfect Muhammadan that ever lived, he is the Sunnah, i.e., the perfect example, that all Muhammadans seek to emulate in every facet of life.

      Therefore, the conflict isn’t a conflict at all, but instead a jihad being waged by the Dar al Islam against the kafir infidel state of Israel, and furthermore the jihad being waged against Israel, just like all other jihads the Dar al Islam has waged before in the past and just like all jihads they are currently waging today, both overt and stealth, is permanent, as it will continue perpetually irrespective of any fake peace processes as long as Israel continues to exist, just like the greater global jihad at large, in which the jihad being waged against Israel is a lesser jihad of the greater global jihad, will also continue perpetually to be waged as long as unbelievers continue to hold and occupy territory that hasn’t been rendered Dar al Islam via the imposition of Sharia.

      When you understand the conflict in this context, then you really understand that the conflict is not really a conflict at all, but instead a permanent jihad being waged against the kafir infidel state of Israel that will continue perpetually as long as Israel continues to exist. Just like the global jihad will also continue perpetually as long as there are infidels that haven’t been forced to submit to the authority of Allah.

      These problems cannot be waved away by good intentions or clever peace plans. They will prevent an end to the conflict for decades until Palestinian leadership and ideology changes.

      Fat chance, the jihad will continue perpetually as long as Israel continues to exist and as long as the Dar al Islam is strong enough to wage jihad. Hence, the ultimate solution is not fantasy based peace processes, but instead to render the Dar al Islam into abject poverty and then isolate it, or, in other words, to render the Dar al Islam too weak to wage jihad.

      • CanadConserv

        There is a great deal of truth to what you say…now. The present Islamist iteration only gained strength when the iranian mullahs won power in 78.

        Not that the Palestinians aren't a made up entity, previously those from gaza being ethnically Egyptians, and those from what is Israel and the West bank ethnically fellow Jordanians or lebanese.

        And not that the concept of Dae al Islam isn't as old as the faith.

        It's that the ISraeli-Palestinian conflict conflict was originally more about Arab nationalism offended, more about anger that Arab land was lost to westerners (no matter that the Turks had ruled), more about anger that Muslims had become weaker than Christians.

        It was less about religious belief per se. That has become more prominent in the past 15 years or so, to assuage feelings of inferiority enflamed by consistent military, political, cultural and technological losses to the west, and as a driving reason to sustain the war against Israel.

        • muchiboy

          "to assuage feelings of inferiority enflamed by consistent military, political, cultural and technological losses to the west, and as a driving reason to sustain the war against Israel."

          I recall watching an interview with Kissinger on the Yom Kippur( ?) war when Israel suffered initial losses to Syrian SAMs and felt an urgent need for Jet Fighter replacements.The Americans deliberately held back hoping for a "partial" Arab victory or perhaps a less humiliating defeat,but eventually gave in.I am unsure if this was when the Israeli's made the stakes higher when they made very apparent moves of preparing tactical nukes.The punks got their re supplies.I was very impressed with his statesmanship.What wisdom.Too bad it wasn't rewarded.I guess that's what happens when Israelis shh_iit their pants.muchiboy

        • ziontruth

          "It's that the ISraeli-Palestinian conflict conflict was originally more about Arab nationalism offended, more about anger that Arab land was lost to westerners (no matter that the Turks had ruled), more about anger that Muslims had become weaker than Christians."

          Well, first of all, there isn't a sharp dividing line between Arabism and Islamism. As the perceptive ex-Muslim Indian writer Anwar Shaikh (recently deceased) wrote extensively, Islam is Arab imperialism; conversion to Islam makes the member of any culture regard the Arabic tongue as sacred language and pray five times a day to the black stone in the Arabian desert, among the more prominent manifestations.

          I would also note that, until the aftermath of WWI, this conflict was of an Islamic character, both because Arab nationalism had not yet asserted itself in full (it would do so only in response to the Western mandates in the Mideast, after 1918), and because Zionism was opposed on principle rather than because of dispossession. In the late 19th century, Palestine was not exactly a teeming paradise to be dispossessed (but dare to mention that on DailyKKKos and you'll be troll-rated for "raaaaacism"); the reason for opposing Zionism was the classical Islamic reason, that a land once under Islamic rule must be so forever. The Zionists, unlike the other Jews in Palestine at the time, saw themselves as independent instead of bowing to the apartheid laws of dhimmitude. That was something the Muslims could never tolerate.

          After WWI, the conflict was redrawn on more nationalistic lines.

          • CanadConserv

            Good points.But the PLO was principally secular in nature, only drawing religious breath once expedient and to compete with the then newly born Hamas.

  • USNCSniper

    Obama will betray Israel in an instant

  • moshav

    We have to recognize that islam has been violently anti-western and anti-semitic since its foundation by a pedophilic and gencoidal sociopath. The conflict cannot end until or unless muslim reformers can revise islam without fearing for their lives. Since this is unlikely to occur, the West must appreciate the fact that islam knows it is at war with civilization however much we may deny that such a war is occurring.

    • SoCal

      Muslim Reformers;interesting.Not gonna happen till the second coming of Christ!! To reform Islam would mean Mohammad was wrong. Which would mean he really wasnt a prophet. Which means he really didnt speak for a god called allah.Which means islam is nothing but a deception leading people commit unspeakable acts in the name of a false non existant god thus leading masses of deceived people to the pit of Hell!! Who would do such a thing??

  • QSuzy

    Anti-Semites wouldn't know a Palestinian from a Jordanian or a Saudi if they were given binoculars. Their so-called caring for the Palestinian people is full of broken glass. Anti-Semites are broken people who hate humanity, hate all Western religions and of course, hate themselves…….they are real loser baggage, lacking the capacity to care for anyone.

  • http://southernrunner.blogspot.com loseyateefa

    I own this book but haven't read it yet: Al-Yahud; Eternal Islamic Enmity & the Jews by Al-Maqdisi and Solomon. Here's a quote from the back cover: "..the authors literally uncover the root of the problem between the Jews and the Muslims, a problem that manifests itself in the current Middle East conflict, which is currently being framed as a classical land-for-peace issue. Not so say Al-Maqdisi/Solomon–the problem is forever and will continue to haunt us as long as Muslims continue to believe in Muhammed's mission to retroactively supersede and claim the origins of Judeo-Christian Monotheism, then to "correct," and finally to complete the Jewish and Christians revelations. Published by Advancing Native Missions. Has anyone else read it and can give comments?

  • waterwillows

    There will be no problem in the 'completing of the Jewish and Christians revelations. It is however, most unlikely that the muslim will appreciate it.
    People should be careful about what they ask for. They just might get it.

  • steven L

    The hunger of the West for oil are the petro$ used by the rich Arab countries to corrupt the West. Politicians and academicians are easily corrupted. It is very simple.

    Voila!

  • SoCal

    What you see happening to the Jew and more recently to Christians has been foretold in the Bible thousands of years ago. Its the result of the spiritual battle going on for the souls of men between satan and God. God made a covenant with Abraham, that because of his faithfullness to God, his people would be a blessing to all the nations. The savior of mankind would be a Jew from Abrahams Lineage. What do we need to be saved from? Our Sin!! We have all broken Gods laws. The penalty is Death, physical and spiritual. Jesus of Nazareth paid for our sin at the cross. Gods plan allowed him to take our place,to pay the penalty which we all deserve.Gods plan is that all men come to repentance through Christ and his attoning sacrifice for you. Satan aims to Stop it from happening, by destroying his peop[le ,the Jew and the Christian.Its all in the Bible , its happening right before our very eyes. It will get worse.Please, check it out before its too late . Once your dead, your fate is sealed. Dont let Satan rip you off.Choose LIfe!

    • MixMChess

      Did you know that while Christians are "unwelcome in Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia, and most have been driven out of their longtime homes in Lebanon," Christians have always been welcome in Israel? In fact, Israel is the only Middle East nation where the Christian population has GROWN in the last half century (from 34,000 in 1948 to 145,000 today).

      Samir Qumsiyeh, a journalist from Beit Sahur told the the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera that Christians in the West Bank were being subjected to "rape, kidnapping, extortion and expropriation of land and property." Qumsiyeh compiled a list of over 90 cases of anti-Christian violence between 2000 and 2004 alone. He specifically mentioned a case of a 17-year-old girl from his town who was raped by members of Fatah. “Even though the family protested,” he said, “ none of the four was ever arrested." He added that “almost all 140 cases of expropriation of land in the last three years were committed by militant Islamic groups and members of the Palestinian police” and that "the Christian population of Bethlehem has dropped from 75 percent in 1950 to 12 percent today."

      It is clear the Palestinians are waging war of extermination against Christians as well as Jews.

      • Abdullah Mikail

        One simple question answered truthfully makes it all clear to any sane person.

        Who is occupying who?

        • Spirit_Of_1683

          Back you go to Pakistan, ungrateful, bigoted, infidel-hating, leeching savage.

          • lovezion

            This trash from pakistan and elsewhere we get for being so liberal and democratic that we receive them with open arms and….lots of welfare and everything else FREE! Then on top of it they insult America's ONLY real friend in tghe Middle East, Israel, and this trash doesn't even say a proper and sincere "Thank You" to America.

        • MixMChess

          Hmmm… considering that Arabs illegally possess 80% of the Jewish National Homeland, who do you think is occupying who?

  • muchiboy

    "How bout you try and judging the Palestinians?"

    Sure.When the Palestinian people occupy your land and ethnically cleanse your people,MixMChess.When that happens,with or without world opinion and support,don't say I didn't warn you.The Palestinian worm can turn as the Jewish worm did in '48.Do Jews have the equivalent of the Golden Rule?Maybe they do,maybe it's their rule after all.Then how come they don't live by it?Maybe the memories of the Death Camps are too fresh.But the Palestinians aren't responsible for Nazi policies. muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "When the Palestinian people occupy your land and ethnically cleanse your people,MixMChess."

      Actually, the Palestinians already illegally occupy Jewish lands in the West Bank. Nablus and Hebron were both Jewish cities until the Palestinians forced them out. In 1929 the Arabs murdered 67 Jews and ethnically cleansed Hebron of all Jews. The Arabs have been engaged in a war of genocide and extermination against the Jews since the Arab Riots of the 1920s. Palestinians have murdered nearly 1,100 Israelis and maimed over 8,300 more since 2001 alone. So please go ahead and judge your precious Palestinians.

      "But the Palestinians aren't responsible for Nazi policies."

      Wrong again Ronald Grant. Don't they have books in Ontario? Israel does not use past Jewish suffering to justify its current actions. Israel responds to Hamas and other terrorist organizations which have launched a war against Israel and have butchered innocent Israeli women and children on busses, in restaurants, and at school. Palestinian terrorists explicitly demand the destruction of the state of Israel and the liquidation of all Jews worldwide. Israel is defending the lives of its citizens and Jews everywhere from extermination.

      Additoonally, it was the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, who personally to Germany in 1941 to meet with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders in order to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world. The Mufti had plans to build death camps in Israel to exterminate the Jews who had lived their for thousands of years. In fact, the Mufti personally recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. It looks like the vile and immoral Palestinians are responsible for the Holocaust after all, huh?

      Do you ever get tired of being wrong and being made to look like a complete idiot?

      • Spirit_Of_1683

        Do you ever get tired of being wrong and being made to look like a complete idiot?

        It's Naziboy's hobby.

    • ziontruth

      "When the Palestinian people occupy your land and ethnically cleanse your people,"

      Ethnic cleansing is not the Arab imperialists' goal here. If they were to win, God forbid, the outcome would be genocide. I know because they say so and raise their children to believe so and do the deeds to back that up.

      "Do Jews have the equivalent of the Golden Rule?Maybe they do,maybe it's their rule after all.Then how come they don't live by it?"

      I confess I do not understand how the Golden Rule is served when one nation, possessor of one single state on a tiny patch of land, gives what little it has to another nation that has 22 states on a massive area on the globe. The state of Israel is so tiny that, on a globe, its name is written on the sea, often abbreviated. And don't you "Lebensraum" me, that won't work. We have coped fairly well, thank God, with a tiny patch of land, unlike the Arabs, who have this giant mass with abundant oil yet keep to their grievance festivals, using their petrodollars to bankroll the worldwide jihad instead of making their deserts bloom. It is the height of chutzpah to tell the Jews to adhere to the Golden Rule in these circumstances.

    • So Cal Mike

      Boy or Muchiboy,
      Your "explanation" is factually false, morally inverted and divorced from reality.

      I stopped wasting breath on stupefied things a long time ago.
      Try learning the truth before you die or you will continue to suffer terminal confusion for the remainder of your life which is probably a fair amount of time since you're obviously very young.

    • aspacia

      The Arab population has increased under Israeli occupation. More Muslims have been massacred by their brethren than any Israeli or Western entity. The Arab World will never accept a Jewish land and are far more intolerant than Israel. To sell land to a Jew is a capital crime the West Bank, Gaza and Jordan, and most Arab/Persian/Turkish lands.

      The failure is the Arab World not assimilating their brethren, as Israel assimilated her brethren when 650,000 were driven from Arab lands. What about the Jewish refugees muchi? A more appropriate moniker for you would be hypocriteboy.

  • Guest

    This is not complicated. Those seeking to destroy Israel are the same radical egalitarian forces whose goal it is to "homogenize" the world. That is, to remove all social, cultural, national, religious and wealth disparities which, ostensibly, exist as divisive and conflict-generating asperities. Marx simplified it by defining communism as the elimination of private property. Separate nations, cultures etc. are just "Private property" writ large. Israel embodies this as a nation in a great many respects as does America. The anti-zionist dynamic also drives those working to eliminate the US-Mexico border and for the same reason. Tikkun Olam.

  • Robert W.

    I applaud the author for what he has written and support Israel very, very much. But I did check with a friend at Microsoft and the implication that Windows XP and Vista and MS Office were [primarily] developed in Israel is pure nonsense. Sorry to be nitpicking but I think one needs to strive to be accurate.

    • Raymond in DC

      I worked as a computer specialist for some 25 year. Windows and Office are nothing to be proud of, and I'd hate for Israel to be *blamed* for either. And no, neither was "primarily" developed in Israel though Microsoft does a lot of work there. (It also does work in India, China, and elsewhere.) On the other hand, Intel's "Core" architecture (which most of us use) *was* developed in Israel, and headquarters resisted the design for quite a while. (Israel's engineers basically saved the company.)

  • muchiboy

    "You, a mere human being, wish the world to be ruled more harshly than God rules it. That speaks volumes. "

    I'm saying your treatment of the Palestinian people speaks volumes today,just as the Germans treatment of your own people spoke volumes yesterday and still does,ziontruth.The Golden Rule asks that we treat others as we ourselves would want to be treated.I just don't think you would want the Palestinians to treat your children as you treat their children.But then,you need to see through the eyes of the non-judgmental,non arrogant saint,I suppose.That's why some say we need to walk in their shoes.Maybe I'm asking too much of Jews and Muslims,too.Maybe the Golden Rule asks too much of us.Or maybe it just wants better for us and our children.muchiboy

    • aspacia

      The only reason Arabs are feared by Jews stems from their continual violent behavior and rhetoric. Arabs started the violence, hence they are reaping the whirlwind.

  • muchiboy

    "That speaks volumes"

    What I am trying to say is that the treatment of the Palestinian People at the hands of Israelis,Jews really,demands that we recognize it for what it is,a Crime against Humanity and the paramount importance of resolving it.Until then,everything else is peanuts.The question is,how long can you fool yourselves and the world.How long did it take the people to realize the Emperor had no clothes.Now you obviously don't recognize any such crime,though if you did that would indeed present a painful dilemma,the possible demise of Israel as a non-secular or Jewish state.But as they say that would be tough titti.

    "
    God, who has the right to rule the world by justice alone, rules it by mercy as well because it wouldn't survive if He ruled by justice alone. You, a mere human being, wish the world to be ruled more harshly than God rules it. That speaks volumes."

    It seems to me that Israeli or Jewish mercy ends at 20%,where 20% is the percentage of Israel that is Palestinian.That,my friend,speaks volumes. muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "What I am trying to say is that the treatment of the Palestinian People at the hands of Israelis,Jews really,demands that we recognize it for what it is,a Crime against Humanity and the paramount importance of resolving it."

      You are a LIAR Nazi-Boy Ron Grant. Just quit with the rhetoric, until you actually have facts no one is interested in your Neo-Nazi propaganda. Neither the Jews nor Israel has committed any crimes against the Palestinians. Recall, it was the Arab leaders who defied the UN partition recommendation and launched the 1947 War that created the refugee problem. It was the Arab states have refused to assist Palestinian refugees in order to use their plight as a weapon in the battle against Israel. In fact, when Israel launched major projects to improve the lives of Arab refugees in the Territories by offering jobs or constructing new housing for them and demolishing their squalid housing, the PLO and UNRWA angrily protested and persuaded the UN General Assembly to repeatedly pass Resolutions that denounced Israel's humanitarian efforts to help the Palestinians.

      Palestinians need stop blaming others (Israel and Jews) and take responsibility for their actions and APOLOGIZE and BEG FOR FORGIVENES for their chronic rejectionism, and for the rape, death, war and misery they have inflicted on Israelis and the rest of the world.

    • ziontruth

      "What I am trying to say is that the treatment of the Palestinian People at the hands of Israelis,Jews really,demands that we recognize it for what it is,a Crime against Humanity…"

      I agree that the lenient treatment of the Phakestinians, Arab imperialists really, at the hands of the indigenous Palestinians, the Jews, is a criminal in its neglectfulness. We learned, after a painful global war, that the way to deal with imperialist irredentists is to boot them all out, and we should do so. In 1945 the Sudeten Germans were all expelled; the same should be done to the Sudeten Arabs, the Arab imperialists who dare to take the title "Palestinian" for themselves, which only the Jews can rightfully do.

      "…and the paramount importance of resolving it.Until then,everything else is peanuts."

      There are far more serious problems in the world. The gravity of this local conflict is inflated way beyond proportion. As I keep telling the Jew-haters: You complain about the Jewish doctrine of chosenness, yet you make it a fact every day by according the Jews and their state such disproportionate concern.

      "It seems to me that Israeli or Jewish mercy ends at 20%,where 20% is the percentage of Israel that is Palestinian."

      One must show, first of all, mercy toward his own kin. We Jews need to be merciful to our own, and if the other side can't be merciful to their own (they aren't–they use their own children as suicide-bombers and human shields), we can't cater to them at the expense of our own. For the purpose of showing mercy to our own children, their would-be murderers (God forbid) must all be kicked out of the Jewish state. If we end up kicking out innocents in the process, that is because we have no way of telling between the innocent and the guilty among our enemies (taqiyya–look it up); we cannot pay the price for the enemy's hideous immorality (immorality towards one's own, something not even the beasts of the field are guilty of) with the blood of our children.

  • muchiboy

    "There are already 3 Palestinian states, somewhat Syria and Lebanon, and very much Jordan."

    And that justifies a)occupying Palestine,b)effective ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people and c)denying the Palestinian people their homeland and birth right?I have an issue with the morality that justifies these acts.Just because Jews in country B own three banks,a railroad and a monopoly on corn cobs hardly justifies denying them entry to the medical profession.Jews effectively kick the Palestinians out of Palestine and justify their crimes by saying they can go next door.Just be thankful we gentiles don't treat Jews in a similar callous manner today.

    "*Palestinians are in fact Egyptians (Gazians), Syrians, Lebanese and Jordanians (others)."

    As if Jews weren't German,Russian,Ethiopian,British,Iraqi,Moroccan,Iranian,Irish,Swedish,etc.muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "And that justifies a)occupying Palestine,b)effective ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people and c)denying the Palestinian people their homeland and birth right?"

      You are starting from a false premise again Nazi-Boy Ron Grant. A) Israel cannot occupy land that it legally purchased and has a historical right to under international law (jus cogens). B) Israel never ethnically cleansed Palestinians, this is more rhetoric. Israel begged the Palestinians to become part of their state in 1948, but the Palestinians rejected it. Why is that Ron Grant? The Palestinian population has flourished under Israeli rule. Again, why is that Ron Grant? C) The Palestinian people have no birthright to the land of Israel, there was no common/stable indigenous population which was unified by a common culture. Foreigners constantly settled in the region because Muslim rulers wanted to populate it, because it was the holy land and drew the religious, and because of the shortage of labor.

      "Just be thankful we gentiles don't treat Jews in a similar callous manner today."

      Is that a threat, douche?

      "As if Jews weren't German, Russian, Ethiopian, British, Iraqi, Moroccan, Iranian, Irish, Swedish,etc."

      The difference is there has always been a constant Jewish presence in the region. Besides Jews, there was no stable indigenous population unified by a common culture. Throughout the Holy Land's history, foreign empires overran it and "left their mark and their people on the land." The only constant was the Jewish presence.

      Even ignoring the constant Jewish presence and incorrectly calling all things being equal, the fact remains that the surrounding Arabs (Egpytian, Syrian, Lebanese and Jordanian Arabs) that settled the region actually arrived AFTER European Zionists. It too the Jews to settle the land and repopulated it in the early 19th century. I challenge you to show me statistics that prove otherwise.

    • ziontruth

      "a)occupying Palestine"

      The Jews are the indigenous people of Palestine. They are the true Palestinians, therefore cannot be occupiers of Palestine. It is the Arab imperialists who are the occupiers.

      "b)effective ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people"

      You mean what happened in Gaza in August 2005? That was indeed a crime.

      "c)denying the Palestinian people their homeland and birth right?"

      Yes, denying the Palestinian people, the Jews, their homeland and birth right is immoral. I have an issue with the morality that justifies these acts.

      "Jews effectively kick the Palestinians out of Palestine …"

      No, Jews are the Palestinians, and it's the Arabs who wish to kick the Palestinians, the Jews, out of Palestine.

      "As if Jews weren't German,Russian,Ethiopian,British,Iraqi,Moroccan,Iranian,Irish,Swedish,etc."

      No, Jews are Jews, wherever they happen to have been born. Jewishness not being tied to race, it doesn't matter what they look like either.

      A Jew is a Palestinian by nature, by birth, no matter where he was born. So important is this truth that Moses, who wrote down and handed the Torah to the Jewish people, was denied burial in Palestine, while Joseph was not denied this favor. Joseph called himself a Hebrew in front of his Egyptian masters, cellmates and the Pharaoh, while Moses responded in silence when Jethro's daughters called him an Egyptian when telling their father of his help. Had Moses not been born in Egypt? Thus we learn that it does not matter where a Jew is born; even across an ocean, he is tied to Palestine, and that is the only land he can truly call his home. Even 2000 years of living on another land (like the Jews of Iraq) still don't make the other land his home.

      And the Arab is indigenous to Arabia. His colonization of lands outside Arabia may be accepted (I'm no reverse Helen Thomas–I don't say all Arabs should go back to Arabia), but not if it is on expense of an indigenous people residing on that land. Not in Palestine, which is the indigenous Jewish mandate.

  • muchiboy

    "Your perspective is warped, as well as, in its deliberate antagonism, trollish. Which makes it hard to believe there can be any point to an exchange with you."

    And I thought we were having a difference of opinion,CanadConserv.Now where would we be if we ceased such exchanges because we thought the other side's perspective was "warped".Be thankful we are allowed the privilege of arguing such complex and contentious issues online.In some countries,now and in times past,either or both of us might be awakened at home by a knock at the door and never seen again.muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      No, Nazi-Boy Ron Grant. This is not a difference of opinion. This is a difference between the Truth (CanadConserv's FACTS) and LIES (your garbled LIES, false morality, rhetoric and insipid ramblings).

  • CanadConserv

    Not much of an answer Ron, as i think you know.

    1) You support the notion of a Palestinian state – no matter that you`ll now deny it – on the basis that they are a people deserving of a state on their homeland. Except Jordan is their homeland. And they have a state there. Syria is their homeland, adn they have a state there. Egypt is their homeland (and birthplace of none other than Arafat himself), and that's a state.
    Yes, some palestinians lived in what became Israel. But that doesn`t change the fact that there is a palestinian state. In fact, 3 of them.

    2) Palestinians who lived in Israel in 1948 still live there. As i said, they are fully active in the judiciary, academia and the media. Those who aren`t there suffered the consequences of working to destroy the nascent Jewish state.

    3) Birthright? As I said, the majority only came to live there late in the 19th century, before that being nomadic. Moreover, as per #2 above, the only reason they're not there is that they sought to destroy the new democracy.

    4) When will you be handing over your home to native Americans? Unlike Jews in ISrael, you and your ancestors had no history in NA; you weren't invaded by natives after 2,000 years of history and then ethnically cleansed.

  • Zio

    Muchiboy, naziboy Ron Grant.
    I commend you for your patience and your thick thick hide. You keep getting knocked down again and again but you keep trying. The thing is you can't win because your arguments are full of lies and propaganda and everyone else's are full of truth, history and verifiable FACTS.
    Anyone who is not a Jew hater will be able to see this.
    But please don't give up. It's interesting if somewhat amusing to see what you come up with, and then seeing it get shot down.

  • muchiboy

    Your "explanation" is factually false, morally inverted and divorced from reality. "

    I have a lot of respect for NGOs e.g.AI,HRW,etc.Say what you will of me and my opinions,but the aforementioned NGOs as well as respected authorities such as R.Goldstone are not to be dismissed so readily.If these organizations were active during the thirties and forties in Europe and America perhaps the world would have been warned of the Holocaust before it were a fait accompli.Only arrogant and/or ignorant fools would ignore their accusations and warnings.Such eminent and worthy individuals and organizations stand between the evils of human rights abuses and its victims.While Israel may not be Nazi Germany both societies have their victims.All governments,democracies included,may engage in bad or unacceptable behavior,and not always intentionally.Human rights organizations are a good and perhaps necessary evil in monitoring these behaviors.Mostly they serve our societies well.And likely they are over represented by liberal Jews and for that we must be thankful.muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      Of course you would respect Human Rights Watch, they employ neo-Nazis such as yourself Ronald Grant. Earlier this year it was confirmed that Marc Garlasco, a senior investigator for Human Rights Watch, was avid collector of Nazi memorabilia. Mr. Garlasco wrote this about his SS jacket: "the leather SS jacket makes my blood go cold it is so COOL!" A fellow Middle East analyst of the Human Rights Watch Middle East advisory board, noted that Garlasco engaged with "people who clearly do seem to be Nazi sympathizers," described as "extremely disturbing,"
      http://www.ngo-monitor.org/index.php

  • BUTSeriously

    Quit the BS already. This is not about Israel but a deflection from the hovering answer:

    Restore the Balfour – the most criminal post-W.W.II deed, hold a Nuremberg II Trial for all who accounted a 3-state as a 2-state, and put the Regimes installed by Britain and Britain herself in Gitmo. The deflection to Israel won't alter the insanity stalking the world: no one is judging Europe and the Islamic regimes.

  • muchiboy

    "http://www.ngo-monitor.org/index.php"

    Talk about an agenda.muchiboy

    Some opinions on this "NGO".

    "NGO Monitor doesn't have a word of criticism for Israel, nor a word of acknowledgment, even grudging, for any detail in any human rights report that shows Israel to be less than utterly blameless. In fact, on the subject of Israel's human rights record, NGO Monitor doesn't have a word of disagreement with the Prime Minister's Office,"

    "NGO Monitor…condemns anyone who criticizes Israel".

    "rabidly partisan organization that attacks just about anyone who dares to criticize Israel on any grounds."

    "right-wing Israeli NGO"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NGO_Monitor

    • MixMChess

      NGO Monitor is only as pro-Israel as HRW and AI are anti-Israel.

  • Abdullah Mikail

    Freedom of speech? Not here…

    • MixMChess

      Speaking of freedom of speech, the Palestinian Authority (Fatah0 and Hamas enforce strict censorship on journalists, even threatening them with violence when they try to expose Palestinian actions that hurt the Palestinian cause.

      According to the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group (PHRMG) Press Release April 2004: "Journalists critical of the PA and its policies, such as Seifeddin Shahin (al-Arabiya Satellite Channel), have been continually subjected to violence, either at the hands of PA officials or by unknowns affiliated with a political splinter group."

      Why do Palestinians silence freedom of speech?

  • Abdullah Mikail

    Only a coward does not face the truth. When the truth is written plainly cowardice rises to the surface and the truth is witheld. What is there to fear when someone is critical of a xenophobic entity? Does the truth hurt that much that you must hide it?

    • MixMChess

      Xenophobic? Oh you must be talking about the racist and disgusting Palestinians. Recall it is the Nazi-Palestinians that promote one of the oldest and most vicious kinds of racism: anti-Semitism. Historian Bernard Lewis noted that: "the demonization of Jews [in Arabic literature] goes further than it had ever done in Western literature, with the exception of Germany during the period of Nazi rule." The founding charter of Hamas calls for the genocide of worldwide Jewry.

      Besides Jews, the Palestinians (and other Arab states) have been ethnically cleansing christians. David Raab has noted that “anti-Christian graffiti is not uncommon in Bethlehem and neighboring Beit Sahur, proclaiming: ‘First the Saturday people (the Jews), then the Sunday people (the Christians),’” Additionally, “Christian cemeteries have been defaced, monasteries have had their telephone lines cut, and there have been break-ins at convents.”

      Journalist Graziano Motto reported that there are frequent cases "in which the Muslims expropriate houses and lands belonging to Catholics, and often the intervention of the authorities has been lacking in addressing acts of violence against young women, or offenses against the Christian faith.”

      Samir Qumsiyeh, a journalist from Beit Sahur, reported that Christians were being subjected to "rape, kidnapping, extortion and expropriation of land and property." Samir has a "list of 93 cases of anti-Christian violence between 2000 and 2004 and specifically mentioned the case of a 17-year-old girl from his town who was raped by members of Fatah." Samir added that “almost all 140 cases of expropriation of land in the last three years were committed by militant Islamic groups and members of the Palestinian police” and that "the Christian population of Bethlehem has dropped from 75 percent in 1950 to 12 percent today."

      So Abdullah, can you explain why the Palestinians are racist and xenophobic cowards?

    • aspacia

      Sharia Law is far more xenophobic and misogynistic than and Israeli law. Gays and women serve in the IDF; gays and women are sorely discriminated against in the Middle East under your laws. Look in a mirror Abdullah for the xenophobe.

  • Raymond in DC

    As proud as I am about the myriad technologies and contributions that have flowed out of Israel, that can't be the benchmark for Israel's legitimacy. While other states contribute virtually nothing yet their legitimacy goes unquestioned, those who hate Israel simply don't care. Nor do they care about the myriad aid projects that Israel has run. Heck, the haters look at Israel's efforts in Haiti, for example, then turn around to claim they do it to steal organs! There's no cure for stupid, nor one for hate.

    Those larger numbers, as in Europe, who are turning against Israel should be made to realize something else entirely: The campaign against Israel is part of the broader campaign against the West and its culture. That campaign accelerates when they sense or achieve victory, slows when they are turned back. After defeating Constantinople, they set their sights on Rome. If – Heaven forbid – they return Israel to the Islamic "waqf", it will be Spain's turn next. Dore Gold has suggested that if they "take" Jerusalem, or even a significant part of it, it will bring not peace but a tsunami of terror. And I think he's right.

    Obama's "gift" to the Islamic world is the sense that Israel is no longer of strategic importance to the US, and that the US will not stand by her. Goldstone's gift to them is to make any act of Israel for its self-defense subject to review as a "war crime", thus leaving Israel hesitant to act and thus more vulnerable. They now see Israel as defeat-able, and they smell blood. In their deluded pursuit of peace, the US, the UN and the EU have only made war MORE likely.

  • muchiboy

    "NGO Monitor is only as pro-Israel as HRW and AI are anti-Israel. "

    MixMChess,NGOs such as AI and HRW have a worldwide presence and are anything but parochial.If you are unable or unwilling to recognize their legitimacy and value then that speaks volumes about your worldview.These organizations are critical to the protection of our way of life and while not perfect,like democracy itself, they must be supported and appreciated.We may not always like what they say,or agree with their positions,but their motives are worthwhile and their presence and work important and maybe vital.You need to be a tad more discriminating in your choice and criticism of NGOs,MixMChess.Grab at straws and you risk drowning,my friend.muchiboy

  • MixMChess

    "You need to be a tad more discriminating in your choice and criticism of NGOs, MixMChess."

    No I don't. These organizations actively employ Nazi-sympathizers and have a strong antisemetic, anti-Israel and anti-American biases. They provide funds to political groups like Electronic Intifada and solicit funds from Arab states in exchange for political favors. These so-called NGO's are political groups in nature. I will respect them the minute they dispense with their politics and actually focus on legitimate human rights issues.

  • muchiboy

    "Arabs started the violence, hence they are reaping the whirlwind. "

    Aspacia,sooner or later,and I hope for your sake and your peoples sake it is later rather then sooner,internal and/or external forces may overwhelm you,as is not uncommon for most societies and civilizations.Your,mine and the Arab Palestinian view is of course biased,more or less.And unless or until we share that rare attribute of being able to walk in the shoes or sandals of others,we will be blind to the truth and a victim of our own or others prejudices.We owe humanity magnanimity or failing that mercy,charity and forgiveness,depending on our level of love and respect for our fellow humans.Again,we should all strive to treat others as we would want to be treated,as sons and daughters,brothers and sisters.There is wisdom in all our religions as they command us to obey The Golden Rule.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "Arabs started the violence, hence they are reaping the whirlwind. "

    Aspacia,sooner or later,and I hope for your sake and your peoples sake it is later rather then sooner,internal and/or external forces may overwhelm you,as is not uncommon for most societies and civilizations.Your,mine and the Arab Palestinian view is of course biased,more or less.

  • muchiboy

    And unless or until we share that rare attribute of being able to walk in the shoes or sandals of others,we will be blind to the truth and a victim of our own or others prejudicesWe owe humanity magnanimity or failing that mercy,charity and forgiveness,depending on ou.r level of love and respect for our fellow humans.Again,we should all strive to treat others as we would want to be treated,as sons and daughters,brothers and sisters.There is wisdom in all our religions as they command us to obey The Golden Rule.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    .Again,we should all strive to treat others as we would want to be treated,as sons and daughters,brothers and sisters.There is wisdom in all our religions as they command us to obey The Golden Rule.

  • muchiboy

    And unless or until we share that rare attribute of being able to walk in the shoes or sandals of others,we will be blind to the truth and a victim of our own or others prejudices.We owe humanity magnanimity or failing that mercy,charity and forgiveness,depending on our level of love and respect for our fellow humans.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    Aspacia, unless or until we share that rare attribute of being able to walk in the shoes or sandals of others,we will be blind to the truth and a victim of our own or others prejudices.We owe humanity magnanimity or failing that mercy,charity and forgiveness,depending on our level of love and respect for our fellow humans.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    And unless or until we share that rare attribute of being able to walk in the shoes or sandals of others,we will be blind to the truth and a victim of our own or others prejudices.We owe humanity magnanimity or failing that mercy,charity and forgiveness,depending on our level of love and respect for our fellow humans

  • lovezion

    I'm so terribly sad to see the good people here waste their time so pitifully with those ignoramus antisemites!!! Actually you are entertaining them at your expense!!! Please hear me out and pass around PLEASE!!!:

    ONLY WAY TO SURVIVE THE 2ND HITLER ERA – ARAB MUSLIM STYLE – IS FOR…..
    ….ALL YOUNG/HEALTHY/STRONG JEWS AND SYMPATHIZERS OF THE WORLD TO STOP WHINING, CRITICIZING ISRAEL – NO GOVERNMENT WILL HELPS US. NO ANTISEMITES EVER CHANGE OR LEARN. LEAVE YOUR ROTTEN COUNTRIES AND GO TO ISRAEL TO LIVE AND PROCREATE NONSTOP. FIGHT FIERCELY AS NEVER BEFORE. EMPOWER ISRAEL TO REGAIN ITS RIGHTFULLY-WON TERRITORIES AND CONQUER MORE! ISRAEL NEEDS NOT ONLY TO EXIST BUT TO PREVAIL IN FULL FORCE INCREASING POWER CONTINUALLY TO ASSURE NOT BEING ATTACKED ANY MORE!!! ISRAEL NEEDS YOU AND YOU NEED ISRAEL, AND IT'S ONLY FAIR THAT YOU, YOUNG AND HEALTHY YIDS, GO AND HELP IT NOW WHEN IT MOST NEEDS IT! HOW ELSE DID AMERICA BECOME GREAT? THOSE THINKING WE CAN CHANGE EVIL…ARE NAIVE AT BEST (I CALL THEM DANGEROUS STUPID IDIOTS!!!
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  • lovezion

    [continued from previous post...]

    How I'd love to be here when all Young/Healthy Jews LEAVE FOREVER! A world without Jews ain' goin' to produce the wonders that USA since its birth, and the rest of the world, always enjoyed! They'll regret our people's absence and hopefully no Strong/Healthy Jew
    will ever leave Israel! And I’d give all my savings toward that end… :o))) SO….CHOOSE:

    …A BLOODY MERRY-GO-ROUND? OR A BLOODLESS EXPERIMENT???

    Definition of Zionism:
    Zionism is the national revival movement of the Jewish people. It holds that the Jews have the right to self-determination in their own national home, and the right to develop their
    [continued next...]

  • lovezion

    [continued from previous post]

    national culture. Historically, Zionism strove to create a legally recognized national home for the Jews in their historical homeland. This goal was implemented by the creation of the State of Israel. Today, Zionism supports the existence of the state of Israel and helps to inspire a revival of Jewish national life, culture and language.

    "…It is the national right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign state:…" From Israel's Declaration of Independence:

    <<"A state cannot be created by decree, but only by the force of the people and in the course of generations. Even if all governments of the world gave us a country, it would be a gift of words. But if the Jewish people will go and build Eretz Israel, the Jewish State will become a reality, a fact." — Chaim Weizman>> From Isranet Daily Briefing

  • lovezion

    Just want to say can't understand why some times I see huge posts uninterrupted and I had to split it in 3 parts!