World Regrets Deaths of Jihadists, Vilifies Israel

P. David Hornik is a freelance writer and translator living in Beersheva and author of the book Choosing Life in Israel. 


Much regret is being expressed about the deaths of the “activists” who were among those attacking Israeli naval commandos with knives, clubs, iron bars, chairs, and snatched handguns on the Mavi Marmara early Monday morning. The ship was one in a six-ship flotilla of Muslim and radical-Leftist anti-Israeli activists that was approaching Gaza with the expressed aim of breaking Israel’s naval blockade of the Strip and bringing purportedly badly needed humanitarian supplies. The Mavi Marmara was also known by the Israeli authorities to be the largest and most hostile ship in the flotilla.

Yet, either out of poor intelligence or naiveté on the part of their superiors, the commandos descended onto the ship unprepared, bearing only paintball rifles. It was only after several of them had already been severely injured and at least one of them thrown off the boat (see some of the brutality here) that the commandos finally got permission to open fire with their handguns and saved their comrades and themselves.

One of the soldiers said the scene on the deck “looked like the Ramallah lynch” of 2000, in which two off-duty Israeli soldiers strayed into the West Bank town of Ramallah and were horrifically lynched by an Arab mob. In that case there were only two soldiers and they were unable to defend themselves; but it would hardly have been regrettable if more soldiers had been able to come to their aid in time and killed as many of their attackers as was necessary to save their lives.

That is not to say the rioters aboard the Mavi Marmara—although their snatching and use of the handguns was a clear attempt to kill some of the soldiers—had any hope of prevailing over the commando force. What, then, in relentlessly attacking an elite military force mostly with knives, clubs, and the like, did the devout, “Allah Akbar”-chanting “activists” hope to accomplish? Clearly, that some of them would be “martyred” and thereby create yet another anti-Israeli international incident—at which, of course, they succeeded.

They succeeded even though the flotilla their ship was part of was organized by the IHH—a Turkish radical-Islamist organization that, as documented by the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, closely cooperates with the Hamas rulers of Gaza and with global jihad networks in Chechnya, Bosnia, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan while having ties with Al-Qaeda.

They succeeded even though, four days ago on May 28, members of the flotilla were filmed chanting “Khaybar, Khaybar, oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return” (a reference to a seventh-century massacre of Jews by Muslims) along with songs of the mass-murderous “Palestinian intifada,” and saying “We are now waiting for one of two good things—to reach Gaza or to achieve martyrdom”; and even though, three days ago on May 29, organizers of the flotilla explicitly told Al Jazeera TV that they were aiming for a confrontation with Israel that would have maximal media coverage.

They succeeded even though it is incontrovertibly evident that the Mavi Marmara was warned by Israel—before the commando boarding—that it was “approaching an area of hostility which is under a naval blockade,” and was invited instead to peacefully dock at Israel’s Ashdod port, have the supplies it was carrying peacefully transferred to Gaza after security checks, and then have its passengers peacefully sail back to their home ports—to which the “martyrdom”-seeking, weapons-hoarding Mavi Marmara replied for all the world to hear: “Negative, negative. Our destination is Gaza.”

They succeeded even though, despite the usual accusations of Israel doing a poor public-relations job with this latest crisis, since May 25 the Israeli Foreign Ministry has posted information clearly refuting the myth of the “humanitarian crisis in Gaza” that was the ostensible justification for the flotilla, detailing instead the voluminous food, medical, building, electric, sanitation, and other supplies that regularly cross into Gaza from Israel.

But those are mere facts, something the world doesn’t want to be confused with when Palestinians, Arabs, or other Muslims manage to provoke yet another bloody media confrontation with Israel. And so, in absolutely de rigueur, numbingly predictable fashion, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon professed to be “shocked by reports of killing of people in boats carrying supply to Gaza,” Israel’s purported “friend” French president Nicolas Sarkozy condemned “the disproportionate use of force,” British Foreign Secretary William Hague said he “deplore[d] the loss of life,” the European Union called for a comprehensive inquiry into Israel’s actions, the UN Security Council was set to meet in emergency session—and so on ad nauseam.

This, of course, being relatively restrained compared to the Arab and Muslim world, where, for instance, Turks in Istanbul chanted “Israel you will drown in blood,” Israel’s “peace partner” Mahmoud Abbas condemned the “massacre” and proclaimed three days of mourning in the Palestinian Authority, Israeli-Arab Member of Knesset Mohammad Barakeh said “the crimes of the pirate government” were “beyond international and human law” and “tyrants like Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak will find themselves in the suitable place in the garbage can of history,” and the noted humanitarian, Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said, “All these acts indicate the end of the heinous and fake regime and will bring it closer to the end of its existence”—for which he can expect to be rewarded with his next invitation to address the UN.

Much was also made of the fact that the commando boarding was carried out in international waters—as if to introduce a new norm in international relations where, for instance, a ship carrying WMD cargo in the middle of the Atlantic would have to be allowed to sail all the way to U.S. territorial waters before it could be interdicted; as if interdictions in international waters of ships breaking embargos, carrying illegal weapons, and so on were not common occurrences—except, of course, when Israel, the pariah and “Jew among the nations,” dares to do it.

As for President Barack Obama, he reportedly postponed his Tuesday meeting with Netanyahu as the latter hurried back to Israel from Canada, and “expressed deep regret at the loss of life in today’s incident.” Netanyahu, for his part, also said he regretted the deaths while going so far as to affirm that Israeli troops have the right to defend themselves when their lives are in danger.

The ten or so knife-, club-, and gun-wielding jihadists killed aboard the Mavi Marmara will, then, be among the most regretted, apologized-for casualties in history, probably generating a greater total of “regret” than literally millions of unarmed civilians killed in the Congo and Sudan. Israel will again be dragged through the mud, its already threadbare legitimacy given yet another pounding. The sanctimonious hypocrisy of democratic leaders—who know just what they’d do if terrorist ships were speeding toward their waters and could, of course, handle the situation without a smidgeon of violence—is as always not pretty to see. Israel, however, has the strength to cope with the attacks, slanders, and vituperation, because it doesn’t have any choice.

  • Vincent Wong

    Articles such as these, when shared to Facebook, act as powerful counters to the prevailing propaganda against Israel. Unfortunately, despite having a 'Share to Facebook' link, the page just doesn't display as it should. It should correctly have a title, a thumbnail and a summary. All I got was the title. Having a title and summary makes it more likely for people to click on the link. This shortcoming should be fixed.

  • Shalom Freedman

    Hornik reveals in a powerful and true way the hypocrisy of this upside – down world.

  • BS1977

    If an unmarked, unregistered freighter steamed into New York harbor and refused to identify itself, its cargo or crew…SWAT teams would be all over that boat in five minutes.
    What exactly was on that Turkish ship…besides "humanitarian aid"? Explosives, weapons, ammunition? Israel offered the ship safe harbor and passage IF the cargo was okay.

    • Liny

      They'll find the usual "humanitarian" supplies like baby formula, diapers, medicine, etc. We've all seen this before so there's nothing new here. This whole incident was meant create an international outcry over Israel, and they succeeded.

      • xman

        Yep, there must be a tube of toothpaste somewhere amongst the C4, AK47s and thousands of rounds of ammo.

  • S. HaLevi

    Two more such ships are on their way and the people here, whose sons bear the brunt of the moronic, treacherous Barak and others Osloid doctrines of the "rubber bullets and paint guns" has had it with the unJews passing as government here.
    Our kids are not political tools but soldiers that must be led by good commanders to destroy the enemy, not to throw paint balls at the islamic beasts. Barak is only capable to send troops to destroy JEWISH homes or schools. He is another israeli unJews fabrication.
    The remaining two ships must ne sunk if they enter territorial waters or our military/police must send Border Police "YASSAM" units to board and execute anyone acting violently.
    The Turks are nothing but genocidal monsters that decimated the Armenians and stealers of Greek territories and are pushing for far more than what they can handle.

  • antileft

    Israel acted as every state should: on provocations it acted accordingly . If you provoke, you will be stopped in this or other way, with oral warnings ,and if this amounts to nothing ,what is a state supposed to do then ? Build fires and beg the supporters or your enemies to what ? Please, stop or we will start singing? The use of force was necessary .

    • Jim C.

      This was indeed a trap which Israel fell into. Blockading basic supplies from Gaza is not defending the country of Israel – in fact, it has quite demonstrably weakened their security by a great amount. Israel should be smart enough to realize that this PR disaster is largely of their own making, and that there is nothing to be gained by maintaining these policies. Only more outrage will result.

      But with clowns like Bibi and Tzipi and Avigdor in charge, it seems doubtful that they will do anything to steer away from this right-wing-imposed national suicide they've set for their nation.

      On the other hand, to imagine Hamas has any interest in "humanitarian concern" has people here very rightfully upset, and it is a shame Israel, in doing something LEGAL, bears the brunt of the opprobrium.

      • xman

        And what good will it do the Israelis if you get your wish and Qassam rocket parts are allowed through. Of course, you wouldn't give a damn if a kindergarten in Ashkelon got hit by such a rocket, killing 20 small children. Far from it, you'd probably dance in the street along with the rest of your Jihadi buddies.

        • Jim C.

          f off, jerk. Personally, I think people should be glad the ship wasn't torpedoed. This was seriously mishandled for some reason, when other similar incidents in the past, not quite as big or well-announced in advance, were handled properly by Israeli authorities.

          • xman

            Of course, you would love to see Israel crushed and its people destroyed, just like 80% of Europe's Jews were a mere 65 years ago. That wiould really make your day eh little Hitler. You've just gone and proved it.

  • Al Barrs

    TUE JUN 1st

    NO, the world doesn’t “regret the deaths of jehadists,” they are doing what the incident was designed to do, incite the enemies of Israel as they have done time, time and time again. The only problem is “the world” has a very short memory.

    Given the sworn decree of jehadists to destroy Israel, which they have been trying for many years, and the fact that they have been caught before with shiploads of rockets, explosives and other offensive weapons in ships, Israel has every right to stop them and inspect their cargo. Why didn’t the ship’s captains obey the Israeli commands to heave ho and follow precedent and just let the Israeli’s inspect their cargo if there was nothing aboard or no hostile intentions? The captains of the ships refused to stop and intended to run the blockade. They were trying to bully their way into an Israeli port. They could have blown up the whole port with a ship load of explosives for God’s sake! Get real world! All they had to do is go into the port they were directed toward. The video will show the truth but “the world” doesn’t want the truth, they want to condemn Israel for defending their people and country…including the totally corrupt United Nations. This was a typical enemy planned ambush intended to kill Israeli military personnel and incite hatred toward Israel…nothing else!

  • Shaul R

    It appears that the international media and political echelon, not to mention much of general public, has been thoroughly conditioned to accept the Arab narrative as given. Any mention of Israel elicits a Pavlovian response and no amount of evidence, logic, ethical and moral considerations, or historic perspective will disturb their perceptions.

    All pretenses of partiality used to cover up this phenomenon during initial stages of prior incidents, such as Gaza op in 2008 and Lebanon in 2006, have been dropped and apparently now everyone feels free to judge and condemn Israel without bothering to even appear to be impartial, as during the al Mabhouh-passport scandal. Ostensibly "enlightened" states, such as G Britain, Australia, Ireland judged Israel guilty and doled out punishment without a shred of forensic evidence, solely based on speculation and innuendo by a third-rate police detective.

    Today's meeting of UNSC vividly demonstrates this once again. Israel has been roundly condemned before even a cursory review of available evidence has been conducted. Having condemned Israel, UNSC calls for full investigation. Bitter irony of this type of reverse order aside, one can only wonder how impartial an investigation will be if it is commissioned and conducted by a body which has already passed judgment and is in the process of doling out the punishment. In all seriousness, does anyone really expect that the UN will adopt a conclusion that would contradict its initial judgment and demonstrate exactly how irresponsibly prejudiced and politicized this international body has become?

  • Andres de Alamaya

    I wonder if Israel could have handled it more effectively by using torpedoes to sink the ships. It would have been more impersonal. Also it would have cost the organizers of this P.R. stunt a bit more. Israel needs to hire some hot PR outfit from America because they're losing ground in each PR battle. Saddled with Jewish guilt DNA makes for a poor PR response. A self-righteous, aggressive PR response would have been more effective. Media should have been told as follows: "These people were warned well in advance. They insisted on confrontation to create 'victims' for PR purposes. Well, they've got them now. We warn them and their likes again. The next time you try to encroach on Israel's territory, your ships will be sunk and you will all perish."

    • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

      I like that you are expressing your thoughts. You are on the perfect track to bring upon the demise of Zionism like its predecessor, Nazism. This level of arrogance, insensitivity to the lives of other humans, this level of barbarism is a sure sign of divine lesson. Wait and see. You will get what you are looking for: annihilation. The world is waking up and they see the monster. You are a perfect picture of that.

      My advice to human Jews: do your best to distance yourself from these blood-thirsty animals. Otherwise, even your uncle Sam cannot save you from divine punishment.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

    I hear there's another flotilla of blockade runners on the way. Sink this bunch if they resist inspection. The msm will side with the terrorists no matter what, might as well kill them without risking Israeli lives.

    Israel should send aid to Turkish Kurds, then Turkey might reconsider their stupid and provocative actions.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      Agreed, Rifleman.

    • A. Magnus

      "I hear there's another flotilla of blockade runners on the way. Sink this bunch if they resist inspection."

      Hello, Turkey is a NATO ally; sinking a Turkish ship would be an act of war. Are you advocating that Israel attack U.S. allies? Are you that much of a traitor?

      "The msm will side with the terrorists no matter what, might as well kill them without risking Israeli lives."

      Since when does the MSM ever side with so-called terrorists? It uses the term indiscriminately on anyone who happens to not agree with their globalist, world domination agenda.

      "Israel should send aid to Turkish Kurds, then Turkey might reconsider their stupid and provocative actions."

      As far as killing more Turks is concerned, you are advocating treason by doing so and I'm sure Homeland Security would be very interested to know about that…

      • Nina

        You are talking through your hat.
        1. What right has a NATO member to try break a blockade which a friendly country
        has instituted for its defence?

        2. After so called friendly relations, Turkey suddenly makes an about face and not only permits to organize this travesty, but heaps invectives on a country with which they were to have military maneuvres. What has changed? What has changed, is that the muslim rdicals are on the rise, and who knows, there could be a radicalized state on the Bosporus. The smartest thing would be for Israel to help the Kurds.
        3. Treason? Against whom? What a load of crap!

        • A. Magnus

          Point #1: The 'friendly' country you speak of sank a U.S. intelligence ship in 1967 and then machine-gunned the lifeboats. They also deliberately neglected to share intelligence with Reagan that would have prevented the Marine Barracks bombing in 1982. With friends like these…

          Point #2: What changed was Israel was actively trying to subvert the government of Turkey:
          http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/29832/

          Point #3: Making war against allies of the United States is also treason against the United States. Turkey is a NATO ally. Israel is not. You're either with us or against us, right?

          • Rifleman

            The Israelis asked 6th Fleet if there were any US ships in the Eastern Med, and 6th Fleet said no (they didn't know the Liberty was there themselves). Flying false flags in attacks against Israel was SOP, and it still is.

            "Hey we're the mossad and we're ready to assassinate him!. We just thought we'd let everyone know first." Yea, right. They probably staged 9/11 as well, huh?

            Who are we with or against again, the CPUSA, or the Birchers?

    • xman

      Yep, its time to arm the Exocets.

  • Gamaliel Isaac

    There is no excuse for the incredible incompetence of boarding a ship of terrorists the way they did. Israel's crime is sacrificing its sons through either gross negligence or wilful blindness. Memri had footage of the martyrdom shouting terrorists as they boarded the boat. How could Israel be so cruel and stupid as to let their innocent soldiers fall victim to these monsters.

    • xman

      Yep, Galils beat paintballs any day.

  • Ron Grant

    The re-creation of Israel at the expense of the Arab farmers and towns people was wrong.The ongoing occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people is wrong.The punishing embargo of Gaza is unnecessarily punishing and vengeful. As long as the tragedy of these two peoples continues to play out to the disadvantage of the Palestinians, such immoral and perhaps illegal acts will persist.The world needs to treat Israel as it did Apartheid South Africa,hopefully with a similar outcome,two good peoples living side by side in one nation.Of course,the world will do nothing,and the Palestinians will continue to suffer at the hand of the Jews.Jews should know better.They know suffering like no other people know suffering,ever.Muchiboy

    • bostonian

      Ron two thihngs for you to consider:
      1. What about recreation of Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Jordan, Syria at the same time. Did land also came from pure palestinians?
      2.How about if you try to spend a months in friendly arab country and than make up your opinion?

      • MN J

        In addition, Pakistan was also created by the UNITED NATIONS in 1948. Gee, maybe learning historical FACTS versus whose propaganda might help? Finally, it was the Israelis who: created jobs; improved education; improved medicine; etc. in that land, not the Arabs. It was the Israelis who gave businesses, homes, land to Palestinians, in tact – what did the Palestinians do? They destroyed it. What is it about a culture that lets itself be used by the rest of the Arab world – to teach children that suicide/murder is ok? Why is this view so hard to see?

        • J. Ravestein

          India?

        • A. Magnus

          So if I steal your house and build additions on it, add lawn ornaments and maybe add a small library to it, that makes it okay for me to have stolen it? I'm sure if you do actually get robbed you will not use this same fallacious logic…

          • joelsk44039

            Israel has stolen NOTHING. Why do you so quickly sign on to the Palestinian narrative which is mostly a bunch of lies?

          • Jim C.

            Hmmmm…When Palestinian families still have the keys to houses now occupied by Israeli Jews, I kind of wonder what sort of "lie" we're talking about?

          • xman

            I'm sure there are plenty of German families who still have the keys to houses now occupied by Poles. Of course nobody is suggesting that Pomerania, Silesia and East Prussia gets returned to Germany, but then again you and your Jew-hating ilk wants Israel to be overrun and its population slaughtered by mad Jihadis.

          • Jim C.

            But you have it backwards–this would be like Poles having keys to German houses.

            I happen to love Jews, and support Israel. But I care about truth; I don't need to fill my head with propaganda to justify treating others as subhuman–that's your stock and trade.

          • xman

            Yep, you support Israel the way a rope supports ahanging man, eh dysfunctional lying Jew-hating troll.

          • Jim C.

            I'm curious…why do I "hate Jews," again? Is it because I acknowledge that Palestinians are human beings?

          • ilan

            my mother is a jew who was expelled from her home in iraq. There are 1.5 million muslims living in israel with equal rights in their original homes. there is a muslim member of parliment. There are 2 active political muslim arab parties in israel. The gazans / west bankers are 90 percent jordanian and egyptian immigrants not "native" people as you claim. The 400 000 natives are still living there. They were displaced when israel had its independance war which was a war the arabs started. Please explain how an apartheid state is the correct term under those standards. There is no state in the middle east that would allow a jewish MP or jewish political party. or the building of synagogues, they are by definition of the word not only apartheid states but genocidal as well. Yet you call israel the state that has 1.5 million muslim palestinians who not one has forfited their citizenship to south africa? Tell that to the muslim member of parliment in israel lol

          • MixMike

            Try getting your facts straight. Much of the land that makes up Israel was purchased to make a Jewish state pre-1948. Israel agreed to partitioning the land known as "Palestine" but the Arabs refused.

            What about the 800,000 + Jews displaced from Arab lands after Israel was established? I guess "Jewish" keys don't matter huh?

          • Jim C.

            So two wrongs make a right in your world?

          • xman

            In your world, amongst the wrongs were the creation of Israel and the defeat of Nazi Germany.

          • Jim C.

            Making up positions for you opponents isn't exactly the best tack.

          • MixMike

            That is not at all what I said, go back and look at the FACTS. Jews have always had a presence in the land of Israel. Jews legally purchased land starting in the 19th century to build a state in their homeland.

            There is only one wrong which is the Arab rejection of Israel's right to exist.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

            False premise the Israelis stole nothing.

          • Jim C.

            Yep, it's just that simple. Hey, whatever makes you feel better, right?

          • xman

            And its that simple – you want Israel to be under Hamas and Hezbollah rule.

          • Jim C.

            No, I want Hamas and Hizbollah to die. But knock yourself out making up a stance for me.

          • xman

            Of course, had you been around 65 or 70 years ago, you would have seen the best way to make Nazi Germany die as being the undermining of the US and the UK. Fools like yourself prolong the life of Hamas and Hezbollah by undermining Israel at every turn, but then again you're a vile Jew-hating scumbag on a par with Hitler and Eichmann.

          • Shaul R

            If I legally purchase the land on which you built your shack where you have been squatting rent-free I have every right to evict you and build instead for my family. Israel actually allowed the Arabs to remain on its territory, as Jews were being expelled from all Arab countries. In 1948 they begged them to stay while the Arab armies were insisting that they clear out to permit the unimpeded slaughter of all Jews. Those Arabs who remained became Israeli citizens with full rights.

            You know, I too have a drawer full of rusty keys from my old apartments. Next time I see my former landlords I will make sure to present them with these and demand my former apartments back.

          • Jim C.

            Shaul, I am all for the creation of Israel and there is no question in my mind that the Arabs are culturally one backwards bunch of troglodytes. I am merely saying we needn't whitewash Israeli actions…the "Palestinians" have some legitimate gripes. But they also need to accept what happened. If this were an easy situation to solve we'd have solved it by now.

          • xman

            Keep telling the lies and watch that nose grow, pinocchio.

          • Jim C.

            What lies, twit? You have yet to make a point grounded in fact.

          • ilan

            as i said earlier im an iraqi israeli and i dont think israel is pefect, most israelis think israel has done things that arent perfect. But we do want peace. there is this misconception that israel is this terrorist apartheid state. You yourself a minute ago said that israel is on par with south africa and should have a one state solution and then suddenly changed your opinion to a 2 state solution. Israel has a right to exist as a state of its own. We have a right to defend ourselves. Every country around us does not believe in that right. And most of europe agrewes with them . We are constantly vilified for literealy nothing yet muslim on muslim massacres in the millions are not protested. If i believed it was because israel was held to a higher standard i would say thats fine but when you use terms like apartheid and genocide to describe a country which is clearly none of those things surrounded by countries that are clearly all of those things you lose all basis in reality and i find it useless to defend my point of view or argument with you. the 8000 rockets resulted in 0 protests. The mavi marma resulted in protests worldwide. its a ridiculous hypocracy where even in a sitatuon of total self defense israel is once again vilified. even when in the same weeks thousands of muslioms could die elsewhere at the hands of other muslims

      • J. Ravestein

        Don't try to spend a few months in Syria or Lebanon, just do it!
        Highly recommended, beats Miami, Thailand, the Costa's in Spain and France etc. by far.
        How about you go and see?

    • USMCSniper

      Mr Grant, the Palestinians are nothing more than the subsidized proxy terrorists of Iran who strap munitions on their own women and children and send them out on homicide-suicide missions to murder other women and children in markets, restuarants, and on school buses. The Palestinians have forfeited their right to even exist. The West has been supplying aid to Palestine for over 60-years. Palestinians are still categorised as refugees and consequently receive all manner of aid from America and Europe. When will this albatross remove itself from around our necks and start doing something for themselves? To begin building a state, you would think, would be a priority for themselves and their children. As Winston Churchill remarked, Muslims like living in squalor – that way their western aid continues for ever.

      • J. Ravestein

        Have you even finished kindergarten? You're stereotyping like a dribbling infant!
        Get a life!

        • J. Ravestein

          Sorry, the travelling advice is meant for bostonian, Syria is lovely!
          The insulting comparison whit innocent infants obviously counts for the sniper…
          I'm not being sarcastic!!!

        • USMCSniper

          I have a BS, an MS, and a Phd in Physics, But I did finish and learned everything I need to know in life in kindergarden,
          These are the things I learned:
          Share everything.
          Play fair.
          Don't hit people.
          Put things back where you found them.
          Clean up your own mess.
          Don't take things that aren't yours.
          Say you're sorry when you hurt somebody.
          Wash your hands before you eat.
          Flush.
          Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you.
          Live a balanced life – learn some and think some and draw and paint and sing and dance and play and work every day some.
          Take a nap every afternoon.
          When you go out in the world, watch out for traffic, hold hands and stick together.
          Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the Styrofoam cup: the roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why, but we are all like that.
          Goldfish and hamsters and white mice and even the little seed in the Styrofoam cup – they all die. So do we.
          And then remember the Dick-and-Jane books and the first word you learned – the biggest word of all – LOOK.

          • J. Ravestein

            Haha, Phd in physics, and still believe in miracles…
            Burned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

          • USMCSniper

            I have figured you out now. Just another self-loathing Jew like the anti-Semite Chomsky who I accurately categorized as an absolute non-colleague when I was a MIT and a total intellectual incompetent incapable of abstracting ideas to their logical consequence in reality. All these Anti-Semitic attacks on Israel by self hating Jews are frequently indistinguishable from those bythe most bigoted gentiles. These self loathing Jews even side with Iran's proxy terrorists Hamas, Hezbolla, and the Palestinian Authority against Israel. Now you know who you are!

          • A. Magnus

            Jesus was by your definition a self-hating Jew. If you think otherwise you'd be lying if you called yourself a Christian. Furthermore, almost all of the biblical prophets fall into the 'self hating Jew' category. You seem to forget that loyalty to G-d is the highest commandment of Judaism, not loyalty to the state. Your kind always talks about Judeo-Christian civilization and superiority but you never practice what you preach.

            So whenever people like you spring to Israel's defense you must realize that reliance on scriptural arguments to bolster your case is worthless because your adherence to and understanding of scripture is laughable. And your perpetual 'blame the victim' mentality shows your real sympathies are with naked aggression and power, not any semblance of reason or justice…

          • Mike

            How?

          • Edip Yuksel

            Excellent points Magnus. You are a true follower of Moses. Peace be on you and may God protect you. Peacemakers of the world should unite against warmongers, regardless of their religion, race or country.

          • xman

            And you are a typical Mohammedan savage who wants to see Israel suffer the same fate as the Armenians under your fellow Turks.

          • xman

            And the biggest miracle that irks you so much is the fact that Israel has survived for 62 years, and none of its citizens have been marched off into the gas chambers.

      • A. Magnus

        "As Winston Churchill remarked, Muslims like living in squalor – that way their western aid continues for ever. "

        This coming from Churchill, a man who said "I don't understand all this squeamishness about gassing uncivilized tribes." When Hitler gasses Jews it's bad, when Churchill gasses Iraqis it's good and when Saddam gasses Iranians it's also good. But when Saddam kills Iraqis it's bad. Nice double standards…

        • USMCSniper

          I was no fan of the imperialist British Army officer Churchill in the Boer War or in WWI – but in WWII he was magnificent as a real leader, more than I can say for Roosvelt's sellout of Eastern Europe at Yalta. At least, Harry Truman kept the Russians out of the Pacific theater with Japan.

          • xman

            But Churchill pegged Islam just before the Boer War in his books The River War and The Malakand Field Force.

      • ReconRambo

        Semper-Fi USMCSniper. Your observation of the so-called Palestinians and their continued reliance on welfare from the West, kinda sounds like what has been taking place with certain segments of our population here in the USA since the 1965 Great Society act of the Johnson administration.

        Why get out and work, sweat and build something constructive when you can get your basic needs meet just by sitting by and doing nothing but have more babies; the more babies you can have, the more the government check will be.

        The issue here with the whole world is, there are only two camps, one for Truth-Godly Judao-Christian-Christ and one for Lies-Deception-ungodly-Satan the rest of the world. Jesus said, "If you are not for me, then you are against me." Two camps.

        ReconRambo
        Semper-Fi

        • A. Magnus

          "Your observation of the so-called Palestinians and their continued reliance on welfare from the West, kinda sounds like what has been taking place with certain segments of our population here in the USA since the 1965 Great Society act of the Johnson administration. "

          I know you were likely making a veiled reference to minorities you hate with this doublespeak, but careful – that is a two-edged sword! A certain nation in the Middle East has been the recipient of tens of billions of dollars of 'welfare aid' – free military and economic support ever since the days of the 'Great Society.'

          If we were to follow your hateful logic to its natural conclusion, both American minorities and Israeli Jews would have their welfare payments cut off. Careful what you wish for…

          • ReconRambo

            I can gratefully and thankfully say to my Heavenly Father and my Lord Jesus Christ, that I rely on them for all my sustance of life and all life's needs. I don't need the government's handouts and never will. I'll work with my own two hands, with God's help, for what me and my family needs, even if it kills me.

            Yes, that's one fault that Israel has had in the past, is the foreign aid they've received from the U.S. This is very shortly to be dried up; the honey hole is about to disappear. America is about to go through a time of which the likes have never been seen on these shores. A time of darkness and great distress; the Great Depression will be a cake-walk in comparison.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

            What about the muslim countries surrounding Israel, do we eliminate their aid as well? They get four times what we give Israel.

            Do you really think it matters what race the freeloader is?

          • xman

            Now just imagine, the Us could have saved itself $80 billion plus had it not given aid to rapidly-Islamizing Christian-hating Egypt, of Luxor Massacre infamy and the birthplace of worthless trash like Yasser Arafat and Zawahiri.

          • xman

            And I should also have mentioned the fact that Egypt is also the birthplace of Mohammed Atta – a fine return on the $80 billion chucked down the plughole there. *rolls eyes*

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

            People forget the cost of carter's 'peace' legacy. They only lament what we give to Israel.

          • xman

            Yep. The cost has been everything we've seen since 1979.

    • xman

      You're still in mourning for your fellow terrorist scumbags aren't you?

  • Carlitos

    Hey Hornik, what if Iran killed 20 American activists in international waters? You would call for a nuclear attack, you hypocrite. Furthermore, since Israel has illegally kidnapped and silenced all the activists, the only version of events comes from IDF propaganda handouts, which you swallow entirely–showing your utter contempt for any standards of journalistic integrity (but don't worry, it's frontpagemag), Of course, if anybody did to Israel or the US, a small fraction of what they've done to the Palestinians, you'd call for a nuclear strike. You epitomize Orwell's quote about the nationalist not only not disapproving of his own side's atrocities, but remaining unaware of them. I don't see any difference between you and a nazi propagandist. And therefore you deserve the same fate.

    • Stern

      Carlitos, if anybody did to the US a small fraction of what the Palestinians have done to Israel, the US would have bombed them to heck and back. Admit it: these were not "unarmed civilians". They were not "peace" activists. They were not innocent.

      • Carlitos

        Just as the terrorism of the Native Americans against the criminals who founded the USA, the terrorism of the Palestinians is in reaction to the much greater terrorism inflicted against them. Anyone who lives under a thieving murderous and brutal occupation, that kidnaps and tortures thousands and steals land and slaughters men women and babies, has the right to resist. For much less, the US has carpet bombed or nuked entire cities full of children. The fact you don't complain about that, shows that your definition of worthy & unworthy victims is political in the extreme. Like a good subservient commissar, you swallow the statist narrative and defend every atrocity your state commits or defends

        • xman

          Its time to withhold US subsidies to worthless scum like yourself, it seems.

        • Rifleman

          What do you think the American Indians were doing before the Europeans got here?

          The 'palis' are getting better treatment from the Israelis than they are, or ever have from their fellow muslims. If they do ever respond to islamic terrorism with terrorism, you'll know, because the 'palis' will be running for Egypt, Jordan, or Syria. What do you think the Jews are fleeing in Turkey?

          Your half-baked history lesson missed, among other things, the fact that under the laws of war at the time WW2 was fought, terror was a legitimate response to terror (and still is, though neither us nor the Israelis have done so yet). The Japanese practiced it against the USA all along, and a lost German bomber over London accidentally started it with the Brits. The Brits bombed Berlin the next night and the London Blitz was on. It's called total war, and you don't want to let the USA realize we are fighting one of those. Talk to someone occupied by the Empire of Japan if you want to know about brutal occupation. All the ones I've known died before their time

          The IDF forcibly removed the Jews from Gaza and pulled out themselves FIVE (5) YEARS (half a decade) ago. If there's any brutal occupation or thieving (that must be why they had to make selling land to a Jew a Capital offense there), it's being done by the duly elected hamas, just like it was done by the self-appointed fatah before. Before, like those living under communism, I could kid myself that the people living under fatah had no choice, but that is no longer the case. The 'palis' are fully responsible for the acts of their chosen government, hamas. If the IDF decides to carpet bomb Gaza and turn it into the resort it should be in response to the next rocket that hits Sderot, the 'palis' have nobody to blame but themselves.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      If Iran killed 20 American activists in international waters, the American "president" would do nothing. In fact, he'd probably blame Israel, and apologize to Ahmadinejad.

      Thankfully, the "activists" in this case are Hamas, and Hamas does not have the power to strike back at Israel. Bebe should do all he can to make sure that this power imbalance remains …

      • Jim C.

        You're talking about the president who had the Somali pirates killed, right? That one? The one y'all said wouldn't do it? The one who's been killing terrorists in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq? That one?

        Just checking.

  • Richard N

    This event is part of a much bigger strategy: that of Turkey re-asserting itself as a Sunni Islamic force to be reckoned with. In a media coup, which Israel could not hope to win, it has presented Muslims and Turkish nationals as victims, not perpetrators. It will lead to the justification of further hostile acts and reprisals.

    It's like the assassination of the diplomat von Rath, which the Nazis used as an excuse to instigate the violence of Kristallnacht and beyond.

    Where was the media today: eight people were killed in yet another terrorist attack in Pakistan…Muslims were killed, where is the outrage…

  • von Starkermann

    Israel probably sends aid to the Kurds. I guess the Israelis must decide if whether they wish to defend themselves against Islamic oppression, or give in to it. One item the Israelis mys do immediately is to quit, the UN. This organization is nothing but a den for thieves, murderers, and Fascists. It's time to walk away from those that hate your "guts"

  • J. Ravestein

    It's staggering that two peoples, which share so many similarities, are able to grab and divide public opinion on such a scale. They are both believe in the same monotheistic, Abrahamic cult, be it on different ramifications.
    Independent minds should take a stance to all non-secular saber rattling!

    • WJ. Hull

      Only a simpleton would characterize the muslims and jews as sharing "so many similarities". Any similiarity ends with the claim as Abraham as the common ancestor.
      The God of the Jews is definitely not the god of the muslims. One tells his followers to choose life, to choose blessings over cursings. The other tells his followers to kill all who reject him. some similiarity.

      • J. Ravestein

        Similarities enough, the most important is that both are willing to kill in the name of a fairy-tale!

        • Stern

          Ravestein, you're raving. It's Islam that chooses death, leaving Israel no choice but to defend her citizens. Of course, you'll scream "disproportionate force" – but frankly, it's been disproportionate in the wrong way because it hasn't stopped the Palestinians from dreaming about eradicating Israel. If you open your mind, you would see that Israel has offered more and more concessions for peace, while the Palestinians continue to teach hatred.

          • J. Ravestein

            Stern, you're sterotyping. There is no such thing as Islam. The way the Books are being interpreted whitin the muslim world is just as various as in the christian or jewish worlds. The problem is the inability to separate religious legacy from contemporary awareness!?

          • MixMike

            I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. There are many more explicit calls for violence found in Islam then there is in Judaism and Christianity.

            Additionally, Judaism and Christianity have both modernized over the years and largely rejected and dispensed with any violent tendencies. There are only a few fringe groups (like the Fred Phelps types) that still call for violence and they are rejected by all of the mainstream movements.

            Islam on the other hand has never modernized and the mainstream still calls for violence. 80% of US mosques are funded by Saudi Wahabists and teach that killing "infidels" is ok.

            Lastly, remember that Israel is a SECULAR state. The war that the Arab armies bring is a religious one because they refuse to accept a Jewish state in what their religious doctrines consider "Islam land" or dar al Islam.

          • Andy

            Bid‘ah is any type of innovation in Islam. Though innovations in worldly matters, such as science, medicine and technology is acceptable for some but not all, Bid`ah within the religion is seen as a sin.

            “Whosoever originates an innovation in this matter of ours that is not a part of it, will have it rejected."
            "This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

            Allah knows best…
            Bid'ah is punishable by death!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

            There's no such thing as Islam? That sounds familiar, kinda like saying there's no such thing as communism because has never 'really' been tried (and by that 'logic' it never will), yet millions die in its' name by people chanting its' slogans. I guess ignoring that is part of 'contemporary awareness.'

          • Mike

            Maybe if you bother to learn religion and theology instead of listening to atheist forums you wouldn't actually talk out of your ass.

          • Mike

            the above comment is @J. Ravestein

          • xman

            Islam is pretty real to the souls of 270 million infidels who were murdered in cold blood by Muslim savages, simply because they didn't want to live under Sharia law and have their kids kidnapped to become Janissary slave soldiers or a 12 years old sex slave to a dirty 70 year old tyrant.

  • nmj

    Appeasement doesn't work – Israel needs to wake up.

    • xman

      True. We in Britain appeased Hitler in the 1930s and almost lost World War II in 1940.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

        God Bless Queen Elizabeth. That Lady has the kind of class power, wealth, and lineage can't buy.

  • USMCSniper

    Look at the term at the top "Demonstrators". PC has us going from terrorists to militants to freedom fighters, to activists and now to demonstrators with knives and clubs yelling "Allahu Akbar". Disgusting….

    • richard

      excellent point. as with the election, the media is at the forefront of this absurdity.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/imnokuffar imnokuffar

    I predicted exactly what would happen when this whole thing blew up. Sadly, I was proven right. The site of the poison dwarf of Iran, the leader of Hamas and the rest of the mass murdering, bigoted anti-semitic scum calling Israel and Israelis murderers and terrorists is enough to make one puke. The site of the "unbiased" western press condemning Israel yet again and sticking up for these scum without any apparent sense of irony is a testament to the stupidity, arrogance and anti-semitic leanings that have become all too apparent of late. The Palestians don't want a two state solution, they want a one state solution and anyone with any sense knows exactly what that means.

    • A. Magnus

      Palestinians are of Semitic origin, and in fact are genetic cousins to the Jews. So all your dribble about anti-semitism is just that -dribble. It's people like you sticking your noses into quarrels that are NONE of your business that makes the world go all to hell…

      • Nina

        What exactly do you mean that Palestinians and Jews are of semitic origin? And how do you know that they are genetically similar? What origin? Semitic is a designation of languages, not race. That's the trouble with you ignoramouses. No knowledge of history, or or even such a simple fact as this.

      • MixMike

        While Jews and Arabs are both semitic peoples, the term "anti-semetism" has traditionally always meant to reference hatred of Jews and not Arabs.

        The term "anti-Semite" started in Germany in the 19th century as a term to mean anti-Jewish. Even dictionaries define the term as such, Miriam Webbster defines it anti-semitism as "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group"

  • BS1977

    Just a few days ago over 100 innocent people were slaughtered in Pakistan because they belong to a small Muslim sect…men, women and children were killed in droves….the UN was silent. The world said little or nothing. israel tries to protect itself from weapons, rockets and explosives being smuggled into Gaza, they are attacked, they defend themselves and predictably, the voices of Israel hate grab the headlines. Every week in Iraq people are blown apart by bombs, over 1000 people have been killed this year already…but the UN is silent….the screaming mobs are nowhere to be seen. But let tiny Israel dare to defend itself….and OH how the leftists scream in protest.

    • Martin K.

      THANK you VERY MUCH, for pointing this out! I am from Vienna/ Austria, and I can tell you the old HATRED of Jews is again rearing its ugly head. Mind you not with the old folks but amongst the young people. Especially on the left, who don't waste a minute to condemn Neo-Nazis, but they are blind to the fact that TODAY the hatred against Jews is coming from them or Islam. We had Protests here, BUT NOT ONE islamic Person spoke about the murders of fellow Muslims. Ah yeah, these people are not "innocent" and deserved to be killed.

      I would put the Captain of the ship on trail, was he not supposed to protect the people on board the ship? He could have followed the order. But no he had other plans.

      • xman

        The hatred of Jews is the oldest hatred on the planet, some 3,500 years old and flourishing more than ever 65 years after World War II, and how ironic that Leftist slugbrains are now the inheritors of Hitler and Eichmann.

  • BS1977

    Again, Israel offered the ship safe passage if the freight could be inspected..and then all humanitarian aid would be allowed into Gaza. The ships proceeded without response. What the hell is anyone supposed to do with these lunatics? Let them bring nuclear weapons into Gaza? Rockets…..mortar shells….guns and explosives? I am so sick of the news out of the wretched Middle East……it's awful day after day….suicide bombings, hysterical mob demonstrations, assisinations , truck bombs, mob riots, mosques blown to pieces, markets and businesses blown apart….it's like some endless horror movie without any direction, plot, or eventual outcome…..a total nightmare.

    • J. Ravestein

      Wonder what kind of news gets to you? Don't you get weary of you're channels??
      Didn't anybody teach you to think for yourself???

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

        Yea, and believe my own eyes. Those terrorist supporters are lucky to be alive.

        • xman

          Yep, they'd be long down to room temperature if they were dealing with the Chinese.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

            A good bit of them would be on ice, awaiting sale and transplant, the rest would be room temp.

          • xman

            Yep, far more useful in death than what they ever were in life.

    • A. Magnus

      "Again, Israel offered the ship safe passage if the freight could be inspected..and then all humanitarian aid would be allowed into Gaza."

      Apparently every time aid goes through the Israeli side, the Israelis take a cut or play games with what they will allow to actually reach the Palestinians. This is why the flotilla tried going directly to their destination. Why pay the mafia a cut?

      "What the hell is anyone supposed to do with these lunatics? Let them bring nuclear weapons into Gaza? Rockets…..mortar shells….guns and explosives?"

      You're not THAT dumb, are you? Who would sell nukes to Gaza, which is not allowed to even rebuild itself after it was leveled in 2008? You can't buy nukes without capital, and thanks to the ghetto seige in force there you can be sure they won't be buying toilet paper in Gaza, much less nukes.

      As far as guns and explosives goes, compared with main battle tanks, the world's most deadly air force and satellite guided munitions there's no way even that could make for a fair fight. You strike me as a would-be robber who argues for gun control laws so that you can have a disarmed population of victims…

      • MoreWhereIcomeFrom

        With thousands of missiles fired into your backyard and everything else you've ignored, why would strict sanctions cease and why bring up the word, fair, when dealing with those who have declared their determination to annihilate you?

        I know it's "scarry" for you, willfully beguiled, pascifists to admit that Hamas (and all Jihadists) are the enemy, so just cotinue to, appease, humor, and walk the fence of true… "submission" to what you fear. The rest of us will denounce and fight the evil you obviously fear.

        • xman

          Yep, there's only one answer to thousands of missiles being fired into your backyard, and that would be the Chinese response to it. Of course the Leftists would remain silent if China had to deal with the so-called Palestinians had the Gaza Strip bordered China and Chinese cities were getting rocketed. Look how silent the Left remains over that torpedoed South Korean ship.

      • MixMike

        "Apparently every time aid goes through the Israeli side, the Israelis take a cut or play games with what they will allow to actually reach the Palestinians. This is why the flotilla tried going directly to their destination. Why pay the mafia a cut?"

        Israel provides the equivalent of 1 ton in food and supplies per Gaza resident. Israel doesn't take a "mafia" cut as you put it. Interestingly enough, Hamas, the humanitarians that they are do regulate which Gaza residents get aid. I wonder who is more like Tony Soprano?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/whatsso4me whatsso4me

    Nobody's perfect, but the enemy ship was finally stopped. Learn from this and then let it go. The USA loves Israel! We wish the IDF soldiers a speedy recovery.

    • J. Ravestein

      Israel and the Usa will soon be past powers. Europe will be embraced by China and end the religious atrocities!!!

      • xman

        Be careeful of what you wish for. You just might end up in the gas chamber.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

          Nah, the chicoms use a bullet to the back of the head. They have plenty to administer the bullets.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

        We've heard that one before. Nice to know the commie game plan though.

  • ze-ev ben jehudah

    When the captain of the ship ignored the Israeli summons not to proceed
    any further the Israeli army should have torpedoed the ship.
    But Jews don't do such things no they take risks with their own lives.
    The first Israeli soldiers had no real bullets in their weapons but rubber
    ones.Then one Israeli soldier was being stabbed with a knife and was
    severely wounded.Then another Israeli soldier was nearly clubbed to
    death and trown overboard.Then the other Israeli soldiers had real bullets
    for use.But first their was a summons to stay in you cabin and no one wass
    going to be hurt.Bus the video images shows clearly the ignored that order.
    And of course they wanted the confrontation so the world could go beserk
    of the out of proportion acts of ther Israeli soldiers.But as so many times
    before Israel has filmed every move they made,every resistance they met.
    And only some 19 imbecils died instead of being sunk by an torpedo.

  • J. Ravestein

    The (secular) world hates Israel just as much as they hate muslims(&christians).
    Hope you all soon stop breathing!!!!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      I thought yall were supposed to be above all that primitive hate stuff. Just kidding, I knew better all along.

    • Mike

      Okay then. We on the other hand don't hate anyone. Not even you and your obnoxious behavior.

      • Mike

        Scratch that, we hate your obnoxious behavior but not you as a person. Have a nice day. :)

  • A. Magnus

    Those relief ships were registered with Turkey, which is a NATO ally. It's amazing how quickly you people will turn on those who stood with you against communism just because they have the wrong religion according to your bigotry and brainwashing.

    Israel is NOT acting according to the dictates of Judaism, it is acting much like any other preening imperial power. Though I'm sure quoting Deuteronomy where it says "He who moves his neighbor's fence posts is cursed' and 'He who mistreats widows and orphans in your land is cursed' and 'If you do not follow my commandments the land will vomit you out' is probably lost on you apostate apologists for ungodly behavior.

    And I'm sure if any of you were on a boat in international waters and commandos jumped onto your boat after having shot you with tear gas, stun grenades and live ammunition, you would all give up right away like the conformist surrender monkeys you are. So obviously you cannot comprehend simple concepts like self defense.

    In your sick world, rape victims must be passive, robbery victims must give up their loot without a fight and you can murder anyone with impunity so long as you are of a politically correct persuasion. You excuse ungodly acts when your friends do them, but when others dare retaliate then the bile and vitriol just spews like a fountain.

    When El Shaddai returns he is going to be pissed…

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      Hey dummy, you can see right there in the footage of the boarding that you're full of it. If they did what you claim, there wouldn't be anybody left standing to oppose the boarding. If I was going to resist a boarding by commandos, I wouldn't be hiding my face and I wouldn't be stupid enough to do it with clubs, knives, and a few rifles firing from below decks. But then, I would have just sank that ship of fools from a safe distance.

    • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

      Dear A. Magnus. I am glad to hear the voice of reason and peace from a Jewish brother. May peace and blessing be on you and people like you. You are a true follower of Moses, with sense of justice.

      I invite you to read the last section of my book, Manifesto for Islamic Reform, which is also available electronically at: http://www.islamicreform.org. Feel free to share it with your contacts.

      Shalom, Salam, Peace.

      • xman

        Of course you are, because that 'voice of reason' makes it easier for barbarians like yourself to slaughter infiodels like sheep in cold blood, just like the two million Armenians your fellow Turkish barbarians slaughtered. But it is rather more difficult with Israelis – they're armed, well trained and kick your ass every time you try to emulate your hero Adolf Hitler. And it is hardly a coincidence that Mein Kampf is the biggest selling book in Turkey.

  • carol

    I see everything unfolding before my eyes, the NATIONS will rage AGAINST ISRAEL… I am worried for AMERICA.

    • http://irishbillyd.spaces.live.com BravoBilly

      The city that all the nations weep for that is destroyed in the Book of Revelations sounds like New York City….

    • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

      Another delusional Crusader, an Armageddon freak, who will lead Jews to self-destruction. What a terrible ally! Flock of feathers die together!

      • xman

        Of course, our heroes are the Crusaders, Jean Parisol de la Valette, Charles Martel, Jan Sobieski and the like who prevented sponging and murderous barbarians like tyourself from lording it over us in the West and kicked your scum back from the walls of Vienna. On September 11th we celebrate shamelessly De la Valettes victory over the Turks, and the battles of Vienna and Zenta.

  • VLWE

    I am sorry to have to beg to disagree with the article: Israel came out of this one bruised – in the media and among Western Governments. I think it calls for a pause and a re-thinking of all PR activities – both by Israeli authorities and of all those supporting Israel – not out of irrational affection, but because Israel usually is RIGHT. Why is it not on all front pages and 1st items on TV News that the same IHH ship was turned away by Egypt earlier this year? Why is it not written in big letters that UK has a "No Sailing Zone" around the Falklands? Why is nobody mentioning that Israel, although it has left Gaza, is still responsible under intl. law for its waters and air space? And how come 6 IDF Marines are in hospital? Did they ram their heads in "supplies" on board the damned ship? Torpedo – bad idea. Use tear gas, disabilitating el rods, in one word law enforcement and riot control tools. And GET FOR G-D'S SAKE YOUR PR IN ORDER!

    • xman

      The Israelis would come out bruised if they'd bombarded those ships with potatoes, carrots and fillet steaks.

    • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

      The more you think that you PR machine will fool the world and you can get away with your atrocities, massacres, killing babies and innocent people, the more you have this chutzpa, the sooner your demise will come. Keep trusting PR machine. Nazis too relied on that.

      • xman

        And you're so sorry that the Nazis didn't win the war and complete the job of wiping Judaism off the face of the earth. Buyt then again you're a genocidal Turkish barbarian.

  • A. Magnus

    "I think it calls for a pause and a re-thinking of all PR activities – both by Israeli authorities and of all those supporting Israel – not out of irrational affection, but because Israel usually is RIGHT."

    When Israel refuses to follow G-d's laws, it cannot be right. Just ask Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the rest of the prophets. Your affection is indeed irrational and not rooted in scripture. It is most likely rooted in politics and the love of worldly power.

    "Why is nobody mentioning that Israel, although it has left Gaza, is still responsible under intl. law for its waters and air space?"

    Right, which is why the flotilla was sent in the first place – because starving people to death so that you can take their territory is against the 10 commandments.

    "And how come 6 IDF Marines are in hospital? Did they ram their heads in "supplies" on board the damned ship?"

    They're in the hospital because they didn't belong where they went in with guns blazing. It was never even a fair fight and you know it. If those ships were truly populated with 'Jihadists' then don't you think they would have had better things to fight with than poles and metal chairs?

    Never mind, in your world the rape victim always asks for it and the murder victim always deserves it…

    • J. Ravestein

      Thumbs up, Magnus!

      • MoreWhereIcomeFrom

        Both of you have fell for tactics more clever than being armed like typical Jihadist sociopaths. It's the, art of strategic provocation, and obviously it works on those with shallow perception.

        *To become or appear to be innocent victims will at first shock, then convince, the "fearful public" that the old victim (Israel) is now the aggressor…
        *From the manifesto of… whatever sh*t currently floats.

        Welcome to the Rabbit Hole, suckers.

        • A. Magnus

          "*To become or appear to be innocent victims will at first shock, then convince, the "fearful public" that the old victim (Israel) is now the aggressor…"

          It worked pretty well on you as well – U.S. troops now guard and cultivate the same opium fields that the Taliban eradicated before 2001 because Bush stood down NORAD and treasonously allowed Saudis to attack us on 9/11. What's good for the goose is good for the gander…

          • MoreWhereIcomeFrom

            You just showed your hand… real nice, you idiot.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

          Oh, I don't think they've fallen for anything More, they're the real deal.

    • xman

      Gods laws didn't stop six million Jews from being murdered during World War II, and that is why the Israelis behave as they do. To them, the words "Never Again" mean exactly that, and they'd be wise to avoid heeding the advice of kapos like you.

      • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

        Well, acting like Nazis, I fear that they are going to make it again. If you really want it Never Again, you should not treat Palestinians like Nazis treated you. But, as it seems, history repeats itself.

        • xman

          Firstly, I'm not Jewish but a proud Methodist, and the founder of Methodism, John Wesley pegged savage barbarians like yourself and the foul and evil cult that you follow. Of course, the so-called Palestinians have the same desire over the Jews as your Nazi heroes had and you obviously have, and as their kids are born with Jew-hatred infused into theitr tiny minds, that leaves Israel few options when dealing with that barbarous scum.

    • Rob

      I guess the poor poor Palestinians will just have to eat their IEDs and rockets then.

    • MixMike

      "Right, which is why the flotilla was sent in the first place – because starving people to death so that you can take their territory is against the 10 commandments."

      How are Palestinians starving when… Israel sent over a million tons of humanitarian supplies to Gaza over the last 18 months? In 2009 alone, more than 738,000 tons of food and supplies entered Gaza. Food and supplies are shipped from Israel to Gaza six days a week.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

        Because they traded most of that million tons of food for weapons? Just a guess…

        • xman

          And they still had enough left over to become the eighth fattest people on the planet.

      • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

        Who is saying that? The Zionist propaganda machine that has been spewing lies and lies, that cannot even convince the fools?

        • xman

          Of course, that vacuous statement is nothing less than what we can expect from you, oh simple-minded barbarian. And please give up your Jewish-invented medicines and vaccines, hateful sponging parasite.

    • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

      Excellent points Magnus. You are a true follower of Moses. Peace be on you and may God protect you. Peacemakers of the world should unite against warmongers, regardless of their religion, race or country.

      Peace

  • Sonne

    if Israel did nothing wrong, then why is it not allowing the media to speak to the people aboard the flotilla who are now being held?

    Our first object should therefore be, to leave open to him all the avenues of truth. The most effectual hitherto found, is freedom of the press. It is therefore, the first shut up by those who fear the investigation of their actions. – Thomas Jefferson

    • xman

      Israel did nothing wrong, and they know how predictable the worlds Jew-hating media is. No doubt, your reading material includes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

      • GaryA

        No media outlet hates Jews more than the Jewish-owned New York Times does. Want proof?
        Here's the "Grey Lady" writing about how Israel blocked journalists from entering Gaza during Israel's attack in Jan., 2009:: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/07/world/middleeas
        Israel Puts Media Clamp on Gaza

        JERUSALEM — Three times in recent days, a small group of foreign correspondents was told to appear at the border crossing to Gaza. The reporters were to be permitted in to cover firsthand the Israeli war on Hamas in keeping with a Supreme Court ruling against the two-month-old Israeli ban on foreign journalists entering Gaza.

        Each time, they were turned back on security grounds, even as relief workers and other foreign citizens were permitted to cross the border. On Tuesday the reporters were told to not even bother going to the border …

        Unquote.

        When the Jews at the NY Times blacken Israel's devotion to a free press, it proves there's just no limit to anti-Semitism anywhere in the world.

        Allowing any journalist to speak ill if Israel's actions and policies is journalistic anti-Semitism, pure and simple.

        • xman

          We all know the New York Times has the notoriety of Der Sturmer, even here in Britain.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      They were attacked with deadly force, they are probably interrogating the surviving terrorist supporters.

      Israel's first objective is rightly to defend themselves, and that means figuring out if any of these blockade runners are infiltrating terrorists they should keep and prosecute.

      You might want to look into how President Jefferson dealt with the terrorists operating out of Tripoli.

  • trickyblain

    Is there anything Israel could do that would warrant criticism from FPM? C’mon, they fell into a trap with this idiotic raid.
    FPM:
    -America under Obama: Bad – criticism legitimate, even in wartime.
    -America under Bush: Good – criticism treasonous; it’s a time of war!
    -Israel: Always right. Anyone who disagrees is a terrorist sympathizer and hates Jews.

    • A. Magnus

      "Is there anything Israel could do that would warrant criticism from FPM? C’mon, they fell into a trap with this idiotic raid."

      That's all the criticism they deserve? No mention of attacking ships registered to a NATO ally? No problem with the loss of life? No problem with the incident happening in international waters?

      The apologia for Israel runs much deeper than just the editorial board at FPM…

      • trickyblain

        Did I say that's all the criticism they deserve?

        I guess I'm a cynic and don't see either side as innocent or in this case, percecuted. The flotilla was organized very publicly. The best thing for the organizers was if the Israelis attacked an unarmed vessel. The Israelis complied and are now subject to world outrage. By losing the vessel and some passengers, the flotilla wins and it is Israel that loses. And I'm not convinced that the leaders of the flotilla would trade back those lost lives for this massive PR victory.

  • http://www.CompellingConversations.com Eric Roth

    Excellent, insightful article!

    Here's another way to document widespread media bias. please compare and contrast both mainstream media and government reaction around the world to two recent naval events. Yesterday's events – which began with Israel asking to inspect the flotilla for weapons – led global protests against Israel, numerous governments immediately condemning Israel, a UN Security Council meeting, and editorials calling for the importation of weapons to Gaza. Please juxtapose that to almost universal silence when North Korea sank, without warning, a South Korean ship killing 46 sailors. No UN Security Council meeting in 50 days. No immediate outrage. No global protests outside of South Korea.

    May I suggest that the discrepancy reveals something about prevalent bias against Israel and the still strong open hostility to Jews across the Mideast and too many parts of the world?

    • J. Ravestein

      So you're saying Israel is not secular(read racist)???
      Very good of you!!!

      • Anthony

        Whether or not Israel is a religious or a secular state is not the issue here. The core issue is that Israel should be left alone…let them be. The problem is not the Jews, the problem is the followers of Allah wanting to follow the heinous imperatives of their bogus religion against Jews and all other non-Muslims. That the real issue..mistakes? Of course, Israel has made mistakes..who doesn't? Just let them be…let them mind their own business, and everything will be fine.

    • trickyblain

      Universal silence? It was front page news in virtually every major newspaper and lead story on most news Websites when the findings were released

      Was anyone surprised to find out that North Korea acted irrationally? I hope not. They are, after all, a totalitarian state run by a meglomanical Asian mini-Elvis. And Israel? Last I checked they are a democracy and a close American ally. Many so-called conservatives feel that we, as free republics, should hold ourselves only to the standards of the worst nations. I think we should hold ourselves to much higher standards – especially if you like to constantly go around telling everyone how we are exceptional.

      • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

        You forgot that North Korea sank a military ship, not a ship filled with civilians from various countries carrying humanitarian aid to more than million people in concentration camp.

        • xman

          And who was North Korea at war with, barbarian?

  • Anthony

    Israel has a RIGHT to exist as a geopolitical entity; it's its natural right. Before Israel was recognized as a nation in 1948, the so-called Palestine land was nothing but a lifeless desert. Now that the industrious Jews have turned it into a garden, their mortal enemies, the Muslims, want to obliterate it, and are using the 'Palestinian Issue' simply as an excuse.

    • A. Magnus

      "Before Israel was recognized as a nation in 1948, the so-called Palestine land was nothing but a lifeless desert. "

      Before I took your house, it was a miserable shack. Now that I've kicked you out and made it into a tourist attraction I have a right to keep it. Remember that when a bankster-hired thug evicts you from your home. You thought it was okay for Israel to do it, so logically it is okay when it is done to you…

      • AntiR

        How about you try this instead? My family has lived and had a presence in an area for thousands of years. You invade it and take it from me by force. Years later, I agree to LEGALLY purchase MY land back from you even though you stole it. The land didn't even have a miserable shack or any signs of life on it. I built it up from a "lifeless desert" to a booming global economy. Because you are a racist you decide that you don't want people like me living at all so you decide to try to push me into the see. I defend myself and you hate me more. Since the KKK and Fakestinians think it is ok, logically you think it is ok.

        • A. Magnus

          "My family has lived and had a presence in an area for thousands of years. You invade it and take it from me by force. "

          The Romans, the Greeks, the Persians and Babylonians all did that. That was before the time of the Palestinians. Straw man #1 knocked down.

          "Years later, I agree to LEGALLY purchase MY land back from you even though you stole it."

          This really isn't worthy of much comment after the demise of Straw Man #1, but if your contention was true, then why poison their wells and massacre whole villages just because they wouldn't sell land to you?

          "The land didn't even have a miserable shack or any signs of life on it. I built it up from a "lifeless desert" to a booming global economy."

          Really? Then why the need for several billion in free U.S. taxpayer economic and military aid every year then? If you're so strong surely you don't need welfare.

          "Because you are a racist you decide that you don't want people like me living at all so you decide to try to push me into the see."

          No, when you kick people out of their houses and steal their land of course they're going to want to get payback. That's human nature, no matter what you whiners for compliant victims say about it.

          "Since the KKK and Fakestinians think it is ok, logically you think it is ok."

          Straw Man #2 – to criticize the state of Israel is to side with the KKK. So the prophets Jesus, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Samuel were all Klansmen? Are you really THAT dumb? By the way, the KKK and the Nation of Islam have the same paymasters according to Malcolm X; put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

          • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

            Dear Magnus, I would like to invite you to write a book together. Feel free to contact me. You will fint my email via google or send me message via facebook: Edip Yuksel.

      • Rifleman

        Your gripe, ironically enough, is really with the Ottoman Turks, who sold that worthless desert and marsh to crazy Jews and laughed all the way to the bank. The Jews made the land worth something, and suddenly they stole it. I've heard that one before. I can see why your leaders would want to keep you in the dark on that one and why you would want to believe them.

  • Anthony

    The bias against Israel is sickening..is cowardly, evil. Of course Israel makes mistakes…who does't? The core issue is..let Israel be, and everything will be fine. Let the lovers of Allah stop in their irrational hatred of the children of Isaac, and everything will be just fine. The Jews will let the Muslims at peace, if the Muslims let Israel be (were it not for those hellish imperatives they have in their bogus religion.)

    • A. Magnus

      In 2002 the Arab League offered complete recognition of the state of Israel and an end to all hostilities, provided that Israel revert to its 1967 borders and allow the creation of a Palestinian State in the West Bank and Gaza. Israel refused to take the offer, even though the U.S. guarantees its security. This has not so much to do with religion as it has to do with pure, naked greed. Plain and simple. Somebody doesn't want to give back what they stole. That's the crux of the problem.

      As far as a supposed anti-Israeli bias being, sickening, cowardly and evil, perhaps you would call the Prophets Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Samuel and Yeshua (Jesus for you gentile poseurs) thusly? It reveals much about your own ungodly character…

      • ReconRambo

        Hey Magnus, you love your lies don't you. Satan your father makes them sound good and believable does't he. You're deceived and "Truth-Blind"! In 2000 the so-called Palestinian leader, Yasir Arafat, was offered everything that he asked for except for Jerusalem, the nation of Israel's capital city and he turned it down.

        • A. Magnus

          The taking of human life is what your job is or was according to your handle 'ReconRambo.' So you've got a lot of nerve talking about Satan being my father, you hypocritical piece of trailer trash!

          "In 2000 the so-called Palestinian leader, Yasir Arafat, was offered everything that he asked for except for Jerusalem, the nation of Israel's capital city and he turned it down."

          That offer was made to fail, because they knew the Jerusalem issue was a deal breaker. You might want to read the UN resolutions partitioning Israel and Palestine to get a proper understanding of the issue instead of just venting like an uneducated baffoon…

          • ReconRambo

            Hey Mr. Magnus, got a little testy did we? You got a little hot under the skin, did we? Throw a stone into the middle of a pack of dogs and you'll hear a loud yelp from the one that's hit. The "Truth" is like fire, if you don't agree with it, it burns and hurts doesn't it?

            Israel will always be a nation the remainder of this earth's existence and Jerusalem will one day be the ruling center of the Universe whether you or anyone else likes it or not. And yes, the Jews of the tribe of Judah, along with the rest of the 13 tribes of Israel will also occuppy that land called Israel; called God's land, as long as this world stands. Yes, it has and will come at a great price in blood. The tiny nation will loose two thirds of its people before that will at last call on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to come to their rescue. But, come he will to their and my and every Christian's rescue when the time is right. And, that time is very close. Are you ready to meet him? From the sound of your end of the conversation, it sounds doubtful. You can be, but will you?

      • MixMike

        The Arab League plan also REQUIRED a "Right of Return" which would in effect demographically create an Arab majority and destroy the Jewish character of Israel.

  • janek

    I am not a jew but I support the Israel 100%. Israelis are know how to defend themself and have guts to do it, as opposite to many other nations, including USA who sent soldiers to be killed around the world but thight their hands behind so they be nice to enemies. IDIOCY . Those politicians who critisize Israel are worrying about Arab's oil supply and money they make there.

    • A. Magnus

      "Those politicians who critisize Israel are worrying about Arab's oil supply and money they make there."

      Israel can do no evil? Funny, that's not what G-d himself said. Read the freaking bible then try commenting about that with a straight face…

  • A. Magnus

    So you do understand that being anti-Palestinian is also being anti-Semitic, right? Or is that too much cognitive dissonance for you to handle?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/imnokuffar imnokuffar

      If Palestinians want to be related to Jews, whom they despise as Monkeys, Apes and Pigs then who am I to object ? Surely this brings us all down to the same level. However I still do not think that the imams etc would be too impressed. Nor would the founder of the Islamic death cult. Is that too much for you to handle ?

  • A. Magnus

    "Your comment must be approved by the site admins before it will appear publicly."

    What are you people afraid of? Can't stand the fact that none of the hateful arguments being posted here pass scriptural muster, can ya?

    • MoreWhereIcomeFrom

      You're a charmer…
      If ya don't already have a beard, grow one and just get it over with…
      submit completely to Radical Islam.
      You're already a poster child and your brainwashing can only be blamed on your own desire to side with those whom you fear.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      It does it to randomly to everyone, don't flatter yourself.

  • cochavi1

    All the critics, from the 'reasonable' trickyblain to those parading as the defenders of true justice and morality, are wrong.

    They are not wrong because it's illegal to criticize Israel.

    They are wrong because they fail, for whatever reasons, to grasp the basics of the conflict. That one side, Israel, is trying to survive. Evidence of Israel's (exaggerated) desire for peace is in the Oslo agreements and in the offers made by Barak and Olmert to the PA/PLO, essentially giving up the entire 'West Bank' and parts of Jerusalem for peace. After 17 years, no takers.

    Those are the 'moderates' – Arafat, Abbas, etc. That says what you really need to know.

    Regarding this flotilla, the only reasonable criticism is that of tactics used by Israel. Given that it is obvious that the soldiers intended to take over the ship without force – based on videos available on the web – by those outlets that will show them – and that they were viciously attacked, the only reasonable tactical criticism is that Barak and the IDF exposed the soldiers to this attack and thus 'provoked' the Islamists to behave like beasts.

    Anyone, trickyblain or anyone else, who sees this as proof of Israeli brutality, lays their anti-Israel bias out for everyone to see.

    Anti-Semitic, not anti-Semitic? I could care less on one level. Practically it is obvious that much of the criticism in fact rests on assumptions that questions Israel's very right to exist.

  • GaryA

    I think Israel should attack Gaza again. It's last war wasn't enough. The Gazans should learn what defying Israel's democracy and humanitarianism costs, and it's clear they're slow learners.

    Regarding the blockade of Gaza itself — about which "Dov Weisglass, an adviser to Ehud Olmert, the Israeli Prime Minister [said when it was first imposed]: 'The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger'" — this post documents just some of the effects, with ample links to U.N. reports, including:

    * since the intensification of the siege in June 2007, "the formal economy in Gaza has collapsed" (More than 80 UN and aid agencies [.pdf])

    * "61% of people in the Gaza Strip are … food insecure," of which "65% are children under 18 years" (UN FAO)

    * since June 2007, "the number of Palestine refugees unable to access food and lacking the means to purchase even the most basic items, such as soap, school stationery and safe drinking water, has tripled" (UNRWA)

    * "in February 2009, the level of anemia in babies (9-12 months) was as high as 65.5%" (UN FAO)

    • xman

      And in addition the Gazans somehow manage to be the eighth fattest people on the planet.

      • GaryA

        Amen! Just as "poor American blacks" on welfare are usually fat.

        If America had any guts, it'd cut welfare, social security and medicare completely and take the money and build more nukes, air craft carriers and fighter jets. And we'd start war with Iran, Syria, North Korea and perhaps a few others.

        But re Palestine: can't we rejoice that such a high number of Palestinian children are anemic? What true Israeli American would be happy if Palestinian children were healthy?

      • Andy

        And…
        1.The birth rate, population growth in the 'Palestinian territories' is one of the highest in the world (No. 26 out of 223).
        2.Fertility rates are about five children per family, equal to many African nations such as Rwanda and Senegal.
        3.Projected life expectancy in the Gaza Strip (2010) is 73.86, greater than Estonia, Malaysia, Jamaica and Bulgaria.
        4.The infant mortality rate in Gaza is 17.71 per 1000, lower than that of China, Jordan, Lebanon and Thailand.
        Some people don't want facts to get in the way of a good story….

        • Edip Yuksel

          Powerty, insecurity is the reason. When people are impoverished and under attack, when their babies are killed, when their teenagers are massacred, they tend to have more children. Perhaps, it is the survival instinct.

          • xman

            Islam is the reason. It is mentally stunting, it makes them brainless, feckless and idle, because they expect infidels to subsidise them, and of course the Gazans did destroy those greenhouses and used them as cover for smuggling tunnels.

  • ROBERT

    The author's most powerful point:No one is interested in the truth. Fanaticism and ragged emotion now substitutes for truth, not only among terrorists but in an intellectually diseased United Nations.

    It is eve more tragic that the President of the U.S. is not interested in the truth or at all interested in the welfare of Israel. I am simple amazed that any Jew, much less a solid majority, would place him in office. Rather than one more syrupy statement of regret concerning the death of terrorists, a strong statement from the President in support of Israel and a characterization of the Palestinian terrorists for what he knows them to be, killers, would have been a great help to Israel.

    While Israel might have handled this a bit better considering the source, that it is not afraid to punch hard and repeatedly, to insure its survival is a lesson the U.S. might take to heart. When is this "President" I use the term lightly, going to give up reading from fortune cookies and playing Neville Chamberlain to Palestinian killers. It makes me want to vomit.

    ROBERT

  • Indioviejo

    Israel should be working with Kurds in Iran, Turkey and Syria to help them create a greater Kurdistan. There is also the Turkish military who have been the guarantors of Turkish secularity, and in the inmediate past worked well with Israel. Perhaps an bloody Coup de Etat is in order at this time.

  • GaryA

    Countries accused of acts of international banditry, such as Israel, should ALWAYS be the only countries allowed to investigate the allegations. Crazy leftist idiots actually believe that there's something wrong with policing and investigating oneself. But here's a dissenting view:

    Quote

    Now it seems as though the U.S. is almost engaged in self-satire, mocking the absurdity of its own blind and irrational devotion to Israel with increasingly comical positions:

    Israel should lead investigation into attack on Gaza flotilla, says US

    Turkey's demands for international inquiry blocked at meeting of United Nations security council

    The United States has blocked demands at the UN security council for an international inquiry into Israel's assault on the Turkish ship carrying aid to Gaza that left nine pro-Palestinian activists dead.

    A compromise statement instead calls for an impartial investigation which Washington indicated could be carried out by Israel.

    As the next "compromise," perhaps the U.S. can offer to support an international investigation . . . led by Joe Lieberman, Sarah Palin, or Anthony Weiner. As Scott Larson said on Twitter: "Self-regulation has worked so well for BP that surely it will be just as shiny for Israel." About the American position, CasualObserver added: "BP should lead investigation into massive gulf oil leak, says U.S." Indeed, Israel took so very seriously the conclusions of the Goldstone Report that there's no reason whatsover to doubt that they'd be the best party to conduct a candid and objective investigation of the flotilla attack as well. Of course, we're a country in which having the Executive Branch investigate alleged lawbreaking by the Executive Branch is called "oversight," so maybe this all makes sense when viewed through that lens.

    Unquote

    The author, the self-loathing Jewish blogger Glenn Greenwald, doesn't grasp that when the USA or Israel investigate their own actions, they are always objective and honest. Unlike any other country in the world.

  • Stacey

    I would like some professionals to look at the photo of Emily Henochowicz . It looks fake in so many ways: some woman is covering Emily’s face with her hands, the same woman cries on the empty street (in a very staged manner and with the arranged background) and (again) is covering girl ’s eye with a snow-white cloth. Who told her so, and where are girl’s friends? We see only staged scene and a few people with cameras around. What is going on?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

      Jihadi SOP. The next time hezz starts something from Lebanon look for pictures of the same bystander that always pulls a 'dead baby' from the rubble. Yet the msm never catches on.

  • Kenneth Higgs

    Protestors attacked Israelis.

    Here is a revealing video of how palestinian protestors show their peaceful intentions and love:
    http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#AFc6Tb

    Here is a video of the cache of weapons of "peace" found on the Mavi Marmara ship:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM

    The video evidence clearly shows that pro-palestinian protestors wielding butchers knives, steel bars, hammers and clubs violently attacked Israeli soldiers. This crazy mob violence was a senseless provocation and clearly refutes any claim that these protest ships were on a "peaceful" aid mission. The western media and liberal politicians have been duped yet again by Islamist fanatics, who went there hoping for jihad and martyrdom.

    To these foolish protestors I say: Send aid through the correct channels. Stop the militant provocations and stop being a front for Hamas and Al Qaeda.

    I fully support Israel and its defenders in this situation!

  • Steve

    Did anyone see UN's 200 countries body condemn North Korea for sinking South Korean ship with 46 sailors on board? Hmmm…
    Steve.

    • Edip Yuksel

      Those sailors were not civilians, they were soldiers. They were not taking humanitarian aid to a starved and imprisoned population. North Korea did not massacre 1600 S. Korean civilians that included 400 babies, just a year before. North Korea is not getting billions of dollars from the USA-Inc… and many more differences.

      • xman

        Yep, the Gazans are starving so badly that thye're the eighth fattest people in the world. They're subsidised more than anyone else on the planet. And as for billions of dollars, Muslim nations are the biggest parasites on the planet and unproductive third world basket cases . Of course, the North Koreans merely starve their own people to death, that is when they're not murdering 46 South Koreans in an unprovoked act of aggression.

  • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

    I watched that clip posted by Israeli propaganda machine at youtube. It is a good one. One of them is titled: "Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship." I was almost convinced and almost cheered for IDF. I noticed that some people in the USA were already convinced by these video clips, and they are cheering for IDF: "Good sports! You should have killed all those savages!"

    But, in a few seconds I decided to watch it as a critical thinker: Hmmmmmmmmmmm…. Many people were killed, and many more injured…. The ship was carrying humanitarian aid to more than a million people in concentration camp called Gaza. It was sailing in international zone. The killers are now accusing the victims of attacking them… Hmmmmmmmmmm…. Let me investigate a bit…. Did anything else happen ….. Did anything else happen before this video clip or this was just like Big Bang. Did the whole event start at the moment the Israeil video clip starts? Hmmmmmmmmmm…

    What if IDF, before boarding the ship, terrorized people by first hurling gas and noise bombs, shooting at them, killing and injuring several of them? What about that? Well, all eyewitness accounts contradict the video clip posted by the murderers. So, my verdict: It is a propaganda clip and it can fool only those who wish to be fooled.

    PS: If you are familiar withe Rodney King beating incident at Los Angeles (1991), the attorneys for police used exactly the same twisted propaganda and convinced jury that Rodney King deserved all those clubs on his head. The jury selection was done so carefully, the trial ended up with a gullible jury!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/BNP4ME rugfish

      You have a lot of 'what ifs' there to consider but I guess critical thinking might also include the fact that the 5 other ships were boarded, they cooperated, they were being towed to an Israeli port, and no one had been injured, notleast the Israeli troops who boarded all six ships carrying 'paint ball guns'.

      Maybe you could also include in critical thinking the fact that Israeli soldiers were 'shot at' by gun toting, iron bar wielding, knife throwing Jihadists and when after 2 of the soldiers were shot they decided it was time to defend themselves.

  • richard

    i applaud israel, and support them 100%. the opposition are rabid fanatical psychopaths, intent on smuggling in weapons. for shame on all leaders who oppose them in this incident.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/jemc50 jemc50

    Proof that the world has been blinded and cannot see that Israel is right in its action in this case.

    • xman

      That is because people have no moral compass, therefore they no longer divide the world into good and evil and right and wrong. It is nowadays rich and poor and weak and strong.

  • Keturah

    "Israel should send aid to Turkish Kurds, then Turkey might reconsider their stupid and provocative actions."
    this comment from above makes sense.

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  • ilan

    no one answered you because you sound like too much of an idiot

    sorry