Immigration: The Next Battle


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Moderator: My name’s Jeff Wienir.  I’m the Director of Campus Campaigns for the David Horowitz Freedom Center.  And it’s my honor to be the moderator for the — this is officially the last panel of Restoration Weekend 2010.  So thank you all for coming.  I hope you all had a wonderful time this weekend, as I did.

Let me just say one thing about the border, and then we’ll get going with our experts here.  You know, after hearing Janet Napolitano say that she’s got everything with the border under control, I know that we’re in serious trouble.  And hopefully, our panelists can sort of illuminate some of those issues.

Our first speaker is going to be Mark Krikorian.  He is the Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, D.C., which examines the impact of immigration on the United States.  Mr. Krikorian frequently testifies before Congress and is the author of “The New Case Against Immigration, Both Legal and Illegal,” and most recently, “How Obama is Transforming America Through Immigration.”

Mark Krikorian: Thank you. Some of the other speakers will speak on more targeted issues, but the basic point I wanted to make is this — that high levels of immigration, legal or illegal, are a handmaiden of the statist Left.  Socialism needs mass immigration in the American context.

And this isn’t just me saying it.  Let me quote Eliseo Medina — Senior Vice President of the SEIU, America’s worst labor union — and, not coincidentally, the honorary Chairman of the Democratic Socialists of America.  He said that immigration “will solidify and expand the progressive coalition for the future.”  In the same talk, he said the point of immigration is to “create a governing coalition for the long term, not just for an election cycle.”

Now, there are several reasons for this.  Let me quickly touch on them.  The first is kind of what everybody gets — that high levels of immigration create Democratic voters.  And this is true.  And there’s  a variety of reasons that immigrants are disproportionately going to vote for the Democratic Party.

First, the Democratic Party and its predecessor, the Jeffersonian Republicans, have always been the party of the pluribus; while the Republican Party and its predecessors, the Whigs and the Federalists, have been the party of the Unum, of the American nation.

And it’s not that the Democrats are bad because of that — there are other reasons for that — but immigrants are inevitably disproportionately going to be attracted to the outsider party.  And the only exceptions are Cubans, for instance, who, for very unique foreign policy reasons, are disproportionately Republican, but that’s pretty much it.  Over time, it can change.  But it takes generations.

Secondly, overwhelming majority of [immigrants] — something like 85 percent in any given year — are people that under our laws are considered minorities, and therefore are eligible for affirmative action.  The party that says we need to get rid of affirmative action is not going to be resonating with immigrants.  It’s just the way it is.

Immigrants have much lower level of education — four times more likely to be high school dropouts.  In California, immigration has taken the workforce of that state from 1970 being the seventh-most educated in America among the 50 states, to now being 50th.  The worst, lowest-educated, highest percentage of high school dropouts of any labor force in America’s in California.  They will be lucky if they achieve the level of Mississippi and Arkansas at some point in the future.

That lower level of education necessarily means lower income.  That’s simply the way it works in a modern society.  A postindustrial knowledge-based economy just doesn’t pay high school dropouts that much.  There’s no way around that.  That means you’re not paying that much in taxes.

So when Republicans say, We need to cut taxes, a disproportionate share of immigrant voters are saying, Well, I don’t pay any taxes.  What do I care whether taxes are cut.?  That lower level of income and education means immigrants are more likely to be using government services.

Again, this isn’t an indictment of the immigrants.  Our welfare system is designed to subsidize the working poor with children.  Immigrants work, immigrants are poor, immigrants have more children than native Americans.  Our welfare system is designed to subsidize them.  And yet, what that means is when Republicans say, We need to cut the size of government, cut welfare — it’s not only not going to resonate with a lot of immigrant voters; they’ll going to say, Well, that’s not something I want to vote for.

Also, unfortunately, we’re seeing significant levels of family breakdown among immigrants and their children.  Immigrants have about a 30-something percent rate of illegitimacy, Hispanic immigrants have a 40-something rate of illegitimacy, and their children and grandchildren, native-born Americans of Hispanic origin, have a 50-plus percent rate of illegitimacy.  Again, this pulls them away from the Right, toward the Left.

Thirdly — I mean finally, rather — in this area of voting, immigrants disproportionately come from countries with no tradition of limited government.  And this is simply the way it is.  It’s something that can be taught over time, through assimilation, through inculcation.  But it doesn’t happen very quickly.

In fact, in a survey of just a few years ago — these weren’t just immigrants; these were native and American-born Hispanics.  But even the American-born are probably a generation or two mostly removed from the immigration process.  It turns out that when they asked, Do you prefer lower taxes and fewer services, or higher taxes with more government services, Hispanic Republicans were more statist than white Democrats.  Dramatically more statist than white Democrats.

But that’s just voting.  Let me touch on the other reason that immigration inevitably serves the interest of statism, bigger government and the Left.  And that is that it changes the political and economic and social environment to make the arguments of the statist Left more appealing even to non-immigrant voters, who aren’t thinking at all about immigration.

And let me give you just one example what I mean.  The uninsured population — if we didn’t have this constant drumbeat about the crisis of the uninsured, and all of this, they would never have had the traction to get as far as they have on Obamacare and, generally speaking, on socialized medicine.  Well, one out of three people without health insurance in the United States is either an immigrant or the young child of an immigrant living at home.  Eighty percent of the growth in the uninsured population over the past decade is directly a consequence of immigration.

The same thing is true with the gap between the rich and poor — income inequality.  Now, as conservatives, our goal is not to use government to reduce income inequality.  Nonetheless, it does reinforce the argument for government intervention when there is much bigger and growing gaps between rich and poor.

Again, California’s a great example.  California now has more income inequality than Mississippi did in 1970.  The fact is that, whether we like it or not, that creates the political environment in which socialists get more of a hearing among middle-of-the-road voters who are, in fact, movable one way or the other.

And the last thing I want to talk about how immigration changes the environment is it increases diversity.  And Robert Putnam, the Harvard professor who wrote “Bowling Alone,” has done extensive research on this issue of the effects of diversity.  And what he’s found is that increasing diversity in a society weakens civic engagement.  It erodes those institutions that exist between the individual and the State to mediate this power of the State.

Because what happens is people become less civically engaged.  It’s not that whites and Hispanics and blacks pull into themselves; it’s that people stop having anything to do with each other altogether, even the participation in the PTA, participation in Hadassah, even in the frequency of having people over to your house for dinner — all decline as diversity increases, eliminating all those “little platoons,” [that stand] between the individual and the State, and leaving the individual naked in the face of the State.

Obviously, I could go on for another seven or 15 or 20 minutes.  But my basic point is this — mass immigration inherently, because of its very nature, in a modern society is serving the interests of statism.  And the only way you can create the prerequisites for achieving a smaller state and increasing liberty is through curbing the current very high levels of immigration.

Moderator: Our next speaker is Major General Paul Vallely.  He retired in 1991, and he has served as a consultant to the commanding general of Special Operations Command, as well as the DOD Anti-Drug and Counterterrorist Task Forces.  He is the author of “Operation Sucker Punch (Blood for Our Future),” and is now Chairman of Save Our Democracy and Stand Up America.

Paul Vallely: Thank you.

Thank you very much, David, Freedom Center, for inviting Muffin and me back to this wonderful Restoration Weekend, to see so many friends.  And we thank you for your continued support for Stand Up America and the Soldier’s Memorial Fund.

We just got off a ship yesterday morning, 9 o’clock, came here.  I had the opportunity to be on the spy cruise last week.  And everybody likes spying and mysteries.  Well, we had General Michael Hayden, past CIA director, Porter Goss, also a past CIA director, and myself as the guest speakers in the Caribbean.  And it was wonderful.  Because everybody likes to know what spies do?  And we had a lot of retired CIA operatives who were in the audience and on the trip with us.

But last week, I had to bring in this part of our intelligence gathering.  Stand Up America does is a whole new investigative intelligence center in a location in Southern California that really provides us a lot of great, modern, high-tech, instantaneous intelligence, of which about five, six months ago we provided our report to Congressman Royce, who then presented it to the Intel Committee on Israel, Southern Lebanon, Iraq and Syria.  And as Congressman Royce knows, what we provided them has worked out.

And the reason I point this out, before I get into the subject of the Southern border, is that the most dangerous, hottest spot in the world today is Southern Lebanon.  It’s not Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen or Somalia.  It’s Southern Lebanon.  When I look across the world — we look at the new chessboard, we look at the influence of Iran — we see, the second-hottest spot to me is our southern border.

And so I’ll talk today about that.  And I’ll talk to you about a [notional] national security operation called Operation Checkmate.

But you know, nothing, nothing, will work in the United States — will fall apart if we don’t have national security.  Because I can’t protect Silicon Valley, it’ll fall apart.  And so all these great ideas can’t happen unless we can secure the American people and our families.

I said that on Neil Cavuto about two years ago.  And he looks at me, because we were talking about retirement plans and 401(k)s going to pot, and all that stuff.  And I said, “Neil, none of it makes any difference, unless I can make it secure for you.”  And so we just have to keep that in mind.

Let me talk now on an article I wrote, a series of three articles, actually — “War on the Southern Border Cartels and Narco-Terrorists are Winning.”  I usually don’t read things, but I want to [do it here] is because I think it’s very important.

[Reading from article]: There was a time when the municipality of San Fernando in Northeastern Mexico was known for farming, fishing and a quiet way of life.  Today, it is associated with death.

And several weeks ago, a young Ecuadorian with bullet holes in his shoulder and cheek told a story of how he and his traveling companions were on their way to the United States, to come across our border and work for economic reasons.  They had been kidnapped in San Fernando Valley by the Zetas, which are offshoots and recruit many of the military out of the Mexican army.  And they’re one of the Mexicans’ largest cartels.  And they work very closely with a lot of other groups there.

Even Monterrey, the country’s industrial center, known until recently with a very peaceful lifestyle, has been turned upside-down with terror.  And we read about it every week — what happens in El Paso, what happens in Juarez, what happens in Tijuana.

The past few months have [been seen as an] increase in what we called “narco-bloqueos,” or impromptu roadblocks, by drug gangs to create maximum chaos in the selected cities and thwart any local authority.  And we see that particularly among the border cities today.

The Ecuadorian said, “They pulled us out of the truck violently and demanded money.”  And after managing to escape, they said that the Zetas — and “that they would pay us $1,000 every two weeks if we would join them.  But we didn’t accept, and they opened fire.”  Mexican authorities confirmed the account when they discovered in a remote and semi-derelict grain warehouse 72 bullet-ridden bodies with their hands tied and eyes bandaged.  Among them was a woman in the final stages of pregnancy.

Revelations of what has now been confirmed as the worst massacre since Felipe Calderón, Mexico’s president, declared war on organized crime almost four years ago have focused international attention on the country’s drug war like never before.  We have at least one to two flights from Tehran into Venezuela every week, offloading arms, offloading agents of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.  And so as you look at that soft underbelly, and look what’s occurring there worldwide, in trying to figure out how they can neutralize and bring down the United States.

You can all remember, those that have visited Mexico, the plaza, that sunlit square, complete with the bubbling fountain in the middle, that forms any self-respecting image of a Mexican town.  Today it means a local territory for dealing drugs.

Aware of their inability to perform even basic tasks of law and order, the center-right [coalition of] Senor Calderón has deployed almost 50,000 army troops to win the nation’s streets back from organized crime, and also to try to tell our governor, Jan Brewer, how to do her business in Arizona.  That perception is increasingly reinforced by the numbers we see, the growing amounts of intensive conflicts along the border.  Seventy-five hundred people have been murdered just in Mexico, according to the Reforma newspaper.

They say I have one minute left, so let me get into now Operation Checkmate.  This is a notional strategy.  If the federal government will not execute this operational plan to secure our borders, then the people must insist that we do it for our own protection and protecting our economy.  The executable — this is what we call it in national security — a notional plan.  It’s not connected to the government; it’s a notional plan that we propose in case we have to go to more aggressive action along our border.

The problems on and across our southern borders of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas are on the news every day.  You’d have to live in a perpetual cave not to know the situation.  We are facing a war of gigantic proportions.

Now, the plan I’m talking about is basic.  And having been in Special Operations, it’s what I would do as a war planner now because I see the seriousness of the area south of our border.  This combines the best use of all of our forces that will encompass intelligence, targeting structural organization of forces to accomplish their mission, base operations, offensive and defensive operations.  We can’t sit behind the fence and the border and think this is going to go away and throw billions of dollars for something that is not working.

[Operation] Checkmate organizes three border task force groups and puts them in three operational bases — one in Texas, one in Arizona, one in Southern California.  I don’t have to tell you the bases that we already have there that could be utilized for this.  There’s no requirement to create any new bases.  I will not name these because of security.  But these basic border task force groups would be organized with Special Ops, Army, Air Force and Navy, and Special Operations.

We have to plan for a 20-kilometer no-go zone on the other side of the border, just like we did in Iraq — no-fly zones.  We have to coordinate in some way many things with the Mexican government.  We know they’re so corrupted.  But if we know those drug cartels are there, we know that the Zetas and Hezbollahs are coming up, ladies and gentlemen, we have to take offensive action across our southern border if we’re going to protect America.

And as General Schumacher stated last night, each of these border task force groups would have 5,000 helicopters, everything — Black Operation’s what we call it.  And we’ll find them, fix them; and we’ll take care of them before they can come to our border.  That’s Operation Checkmate.

Thank you very much.

Moderator: Thayer Verschoor is a state senator from Arizona.  He has served on the Appropriations, Commerce, and Economic Development and Transportation Committees.  He’s also served as the Senate Majority Leader and President Pro Temp.  Thayer?

Thayer Verschoor: Well, thank you. I want to bring to you a couple of perspectives [from Arizona]. One is that the laws that we have passed regarding immigration are actually humanitarian.  And I’ll explain that in a little bit.  And the second thing I want to do is affirm what Paul [Vallely] has just said here.

So here’s our perspective on illegal migration — and that’s what I’m going to call it because immigration is a term of legitimacy.

I was talking to my friend, Frank Gaffney, yesterday — a  new friend, I should say — talking to him a little bit.  And he wants to call it invasion.  Because quite frankly, there’s a lot of people who call it an invasion.  But it is not immigration; it’s an illegal migration that is occurring.

In Arizona, illegal migrants cost us $3 billion every year.  That’s in — and it’s a billion. When I first got elected, it was $1 billion eight years ago.  Now it’s up to $3 billion.  And that’s in three areas.  That’s in incarceration, education, and in healthcare.  Those are the three areas.  We have emergency rooms that can’t even stay open because they’re just jam-packed full of citizens from Mexico coming in.  So that’s one Arizona perspective.

Now the humanitarian.  Folks, Senate Bill 1070 — quite frankly, all it does is it allows Arizona law enforcement officers to enforce federal law.  It’s already the law.  The problem is that for 30 years, Arizonans and many other people, in Texas and California, have been asking the federal government, Enforce your damn laws!  And thy won’t do it!  They’ve refused to do it!  And until they start doing it, we’re going to continue to see this escalation that we’re seeing.

How many of you have seen the movie “Amazing Grace?”  In one scene in the movie, William Wilberforce is taken to see these slave ships, where these slaves are hauled from Africa to the Western Hemisphere.  Okay?  Folks, this is very similar to what is occurring in this illegal migration smuggling that’s going on.

They will pile 20, 30 people into a truck or a van that’s only made to seat eight or nine people, and just cram them in there.  They bring them across the desert in 120-degree weather.  If someone gets sick and can’t keep up, they just leave them there to die.

They bring them to Phoenix, to Mesa, to Chandler. They put them in these drop houses, where there’s not even room to lie down or sit down.  And if they try to get away, they execute them.  They beat them.  The women are raped.  A lot of the women and young girls and boys are sold into the sex trade.

This is a disaster that’s going on here, a humanitarian disaster.  So we have to stop this.

Arizona passed employer sanctions.  Employer sanction just simple says, you know what, employers, you can’t hire illegal aliens.  Stop hiring them.  And all we’ve asked them to do is just check federal government’s E-Verify.

So these things that we’re doing in Arizona are to try and curb the incentives for people to come here illegally.  We’re trying to allow our law enforcement to enforce what is already the law.  These are not new laws.  And yet we’re called racists in Arizona, we’re called fascists in Arizona.

Folks, what’s going on here is horrifying.  The environmental impact is disastrous.  If you’ve ever seen these areas where they bring these illegal aliens, smuggle them into, it’s just total disaster — the garbage and the trash that’s left behind that is almost impossible for people to clean up.

Arizona is second in the world in kidnappings.  These coyotes will kidnap these human cargos and then resell them.  This just goes on and on again.  Folks, there’s nothing, there’s nothing redeeming about what is happening.

This is a national security issue.  As of November, in this year alone in Mexico, the cartels have killed over 10,000 people now — 10,035 people as of November.  Ten thousand thirty-five.  Over 300 decapitations.  Okay?  This is al-Qaeda stuff.  And this is coming over, like you said, from the Middle East.  Now they’re using car bombs down there.

Now, people say, Well, you know what, we can say that’s a Mexico problem.  Well, I live in Arizona.  And I can attest to you, it is no longer a Mexico problem.  A couple years ago, we had a running gun battle between cartels, trying to snatch the other’s human cargo, right along Interstate 10.  Right there, just south of Phoenix.

We just recently, in Chandler — which is also in the Phoenix area — had a decapitation.  Now, they called it a stabbing, in which the man was beheaded.  At first, they tried to make it sound like some partygoers gone wild. That wasn’t the case.  Now they’re starting to find out that it looks like this man had ripped off one of the cartels.  And now, they came and they decapitated him as a warning.

Folks, we had, just a month ago, a cartel member living in this town of Casa Grande, which is between Phoenix and Tucson.  This person was executed in his car, in broad daylight, in a middle-class neighborhood like you’d see anywhere, even here in Palm Beach.  This person was — his job was to be in charge of these spotters.  They believed him to have been turned to become a snitch.  They executed him in this neighborhood, in front of his house, in broad daylight.  They shot him to death in his car.

They have these spotters — this is military type stuff — they now have spotters in the mountains in the Arizona desert with communications abilities.  They live in caves in the mountains, and they radio communication to the drug smugglers where the police are, where the Border Patrol is at, to try and help them avoid the smuggling.

This is the type of stuff that we’re seeing in Arizona.  It’s bad stuff.  We need not only to defund NPR, we not only need to defund Obamacare, but we need to secure our borders.

Moderator: We’re lucky to have two congressmen on this panel to talk about the opportunity GOP has to help rectify the situation — what should be done, and hopefully what can be done.

First is Steven King.  He was elected to Congress in 2002 to represent Iowa’s new Fifth Congressional District.  He’s a member of the House Judiciary Committee, where he sits on the Constitution Subcommittee, and is the top Republican on the Immigration Subcommittee.

Steven King: Well, thank you very much.

The previous witnesses here on this panel have covered a lot of the territory that I anticipated I might.  But I’ll try to speak on this from general terms.

And just think of [illegal immigration] as, yes, a national security problem that we have.  And it also is a domestic security problem we have, to the extent that 90 percent of the illegal drugs that are consumed in the United States come from or through Mexico.  And when I talk to DEA personnel, and I ask them with the door closed what would happen if magically everyone who woke up in this country tomorrow morning was here legally — what would happen to the illegal drug distribution chain in America?  And their answer is, it will sever at least one link in every distribution chain in America and at least temporarily shut off illegal drug distribution.  So that’s a component I’d ask you to think about.

But from the broader perspective, it’s long been my belief that any country’s immigration policy should be designed to enhance the economic, the social and the cultural wellbeing of the United States of America.  And to that end, we should be thinking about how we increase the average annual productivity of Americans.  That’s the overlying philosophy.

We heard Mark Krikorian talk about the competing forces in this society, the Left versus Right, statism.    I look at it this way — the Left in this country, the progressives, the leftists of all stripes — whether they’re directly Marxist, socialist, however you want to define them — they are about expanding the dependency class in America.

And when we saw this immigration debate come at us in about 2004 and early 2005, what we saw was an effort, I believe, on the part of the Bush Administration to bring over into the Republican side a large percentage of Hispanics.  And I’ve had this debate with Karl Rove, and we’ve gone at it fairly intensively.

But my position on it is this — that newly arriving immigrants assimilate into the politics of the locale where they arrive, whether it be Los Angeles County — you know how that goes, a lot of you in this room, if you’ve been there for an hour, you know the answer to that.

But if anybody is thinking about rebutting that comment, I’d ask you then, go to Boston, find me an Irish-Catholic Republican.  After all these generations, for all of this incentive that’s there, still the Irish produce more and more generations of Democrats.  And the Teddy Kennedy clan continues to grow and prosper.  They haven’t stopped and taken a good look.  And it isn’t about whether they go to church or whether they are productive, good, family people.  It’s about [the fact that] they got assimilated into the politics of the locale where they arrived, just like we have fourth- and fifth-generation FDR Democrats that are still a problem for us today.

So what happened was, back then, Bush’s immigration speech began to split the Republican Party.  And then we got confused on what we believed in.  We got away from this idea that we are rule-of-law Republicans, and that when you want to list the pillars of American exceptionalism, you cannot build this edifice of this great country without one of those essential pillars being the rule of law.

And the effort to disregard the rule of law, the — I’ll say the commitment that’s there to ignore it because it’s inconvenient economically or it does something to somebody’s labor supply — we should know that there are people out there every day that are taking a jackhammer to those beautiful marble pillars of American exceptionalism.  And the rule of law is essential pillar.

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  • USMCSniper

    Why should anyone here be surprised by this sense of instant entitlement? Illegal immigrants have learned well how to play the squeaky wheel fiddle while living here in the U.S. Not to mention their power seeking anti-American anti-U.S. government "leadership" who are positioning their "oppressed and maligned" as a voting bloc should they be granted immunity. They are even re-writing our National Anthem! That's just good old fashioned American creativity! Don't be fooled by the rhetoric. Ilegal aliens do take away potential jobs from the LEGAL AMERICAN POOR in this country. The "non-indentured servitude" employers and the illegals both need to be held accountable for breaking the law, and at the very least get on line and apply for a green card behind those who are registered and respect the law. Without the rule of law, there IS NO CIVILIZED SOCIETY.

    • http://iwmcbprofnasty.blogspot.com Dave Mende

      It was republicans who cajolled illegal imm. to build unneeded homes with scrip money. When the economy went bust in '08 we needed USMC veterans to stand up and fight in this country. Thanks for sitting on your ass. Hero.

    • Bill Ranier

      MAn, you should see all the Mexican children who cross the border on a daily basis to attend school in Cali then race home at the end of the day. They are getting free schooling at the cost of Americans…

  • Max9010

    When the Appel tree has one Worm in an Apple that does not mean the hole Crop is gone!

    • davarino

      I know that makes sense to you some how but what are you saying? Are you advocating legal immigration to only let in the good apples?

  • Max9010

    New data released this week by the U.S. Census Bureau highlights the rapidly growing
    economic power of Latino-owned businesses in the United States. According to the
    Bureau’s 2007 Survey of Business Owners, there were 2.3 million Latino-owned
    businesses in the country as of 2007, which generated $345.2 billion in sales and
    employed 1.9 million people. Moreover, the number of Latino-owned businesses grew
    by 43.7 percent between 2002 and 2007, which was more than twice the national average.

    • http://www.mysapce.com/freddawes1776/ Fred Dawes

      that is part of the plan to take us down, understand hispanic are for now in front of the money line for banks and are part of the coming evil.

  • Max9010

    In other words, the Latino community tends to be highly entrepreneurial, and the
    businesses which Latinos create sustain large numbers of jobs.

    While Latino-owned businesses accounted for 8.3 percent of all nonfarm businesses
    in the United States as a whole in 2007, they comprised a much higher share of
    businesses in many states and cities. For instance:
    Latino-owned businesses were 23.6 percent of all businesses in New Mexico, 22.4
    percent in Florida, 20.7 percent in Texas, 16.5 percent in California, and 10.7
    percent in Arizona as of 2007.

    • coyote4

      Look, I live where people with Spanish surnames are in the majority. Always have been. Hell, I am one. Most of the businesses are owned by people with Spanish surnames, or at least ancestry. However, around here, there are very few mojados, because the locals turn them in. They are criminals by definition. I ought to know, I chased mojados for an entire career. Lastly, the guys headlining this article are sure great specimins, regardless of their nationality. Let's see I make myself into a freak, and then wonder why no one wants to take a chance to hire me.

  • Max9010

    Latino-owned businesses were 59.8 percent of all businesses in El Paso (Texas),
    39.4 percent in San Antonio (Texas), 23.3 percent in Houston (Texas), 23.1 percent
    in Albuquerque (New Mexico), and 21.0 percent in Los Angeles (California) as of 2007.
    Given that the majority of Latinos are immigrants or the children of immigrants,
    their entrepreneurial contributions to the U.S. economy should be an integral part
    of the debate over the economics of immigration. Yet the role that Latino-owned
    businesses play in growing the economy and creating jobs is often overlooked. As the
    new census data illustrates, however, the entrepreneurship of the Latino community is
    a powerful economic force which can not be ignored. Even though the recent recession
    has undoubtedly hit the Latino business community hard, the fact remains that, without
    Latino businesses, the United States would have a smaller economy and fewer jobs.
    This is a basic economic truth which many nativist groups seem unable to grasp.

    • Tom Lowe

      What you fail to grasp is that without all of the illegal aliens sucking massive benefits away from Americans who need them, along with the spurious "entrepreneurship" that follows illegal immigration, the American economy would be MUCH, MUCH better off. You and that Israeli agent Mark Krikorian should come to my house and see my neighbor with his illegal auto repair shop next door. You should come and see all of the illegals growing weed and cooking meth in my neighborhood. You should come see the illegal alien woman here try to be the butcher at the local grocery store, while the real butcher who was raised locally and who did a very good job fights for Israel in Asia. You and that Israeli agent Mark Krikorian should come to my town and see an international corporation (Di Giorgio Corp.) taking very bad economic advantage of the illegal aliens while at the same time sending most of the water, food and wages that originate here out of the USA. You have a totally bum argument, because if Latinos are so good at being entrepreneuirs, then what the hell is wrong with them staying in Mexico and applying their entrepreneurial skills in MEXICO????

  • Max9010

    THESE ARE THE ONLY FACTS MIGRANTS not Illegal Immigrants
    (Under immigration law, being in the United States without legal status is a civil violation, not a crime.)
    youtube.com/watch?v=7Lxx1FZNCu0&feature=related
    http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/economic-and...
    http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/new-fbi-data...
    http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_15425614
    http://www.azfamily.com/video/localn…ml?nvid=369691
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0201398.html#axzz0xmWHPZx...
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0900547.html#axzz0xmWVMrr...
    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0201398.html#axzz0xmWys77...

    "What these people want is that we cancel our own lives and our own actions, to
    fill us with fear and paralyze us as a society and as a government," he said.
    "This is exactly what we must not allow."

    Anti-Americanism

    • coyote3

      Bravo sierra. Entering the United States without legal authority, "is" a crime. A lot of us "nativists" have Spanish surnames.

      • dick

        brovo sierra my foxtrot alfa a spic is a spic kick them all out mike foxtrot

    • rip

      Stop voting for jack asses like john mcain and the other republican greedy white slave owners

  • Max9010

    washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/02/AR2010090202673.html

    How illegal immigrants are helping Social Security

    The contributions by unauthorized immigrants to Social Security — essentially, to the retirement income of everyday Americans — are much larger than previously known, raising questions about the efforts in many states and among Republicans in Congress to force these workers out.

    In response to a research inquiry for a book I am writing on the economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.

  • Max9010

    That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund’s total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

    Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss’s 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

    The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.

    “If for example we had not had other-than-legal immigrants in the country over the past,” Goss e-mailed me, “then these numbers suggest that we would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover starting 2009, or six years earlier than estimated under the 2010 Trustees Report.”

    Americans are faced with the difficult choice of cutting pensions, delaying the retirement age or raising taxes if we want to maintain the solvency of what has been the centerpiece of social welfare for ordinary Americans since the 1930s.

  • Max9010

    (Reuters) – U.S. authorities have charged 1,215 people in hundreds of mortgage fraud cases that resulted in estimated losses of $2.3 billion, top Obama administration officials said on Thursday, unveiling a crackdown after the housing market collapse.
    Authorities reveal mortgage fraud crackdown, 485 arrests

    The same for any corporation owner small or big!
    A country is nothing else as a large corporation, any immigrant
    who bring money to this country as any investment
    like paying the mortgage, the property taxes, insurance etc
    to build up his/her life has to invest more than $5000 to $850000
    depend how big he will be.

  • Max9010

    So any Investor small like a grape
    picker or even larger has no rights? Government decisions of
    allowing that in between rightness or corrupt builder, mortgage,
    attorneys ore people who life in greed can take advantage of those
    who are vulnerable by law. madoff, aig, wallstreet etc.. the
    variety is very long. Billions of us dollars in miss use.
    And now to throw illegal's out of the country is theft.
    250000000 victims (2007) of crime are in this country
    so how many citizen like you are all over the country
    are criminals ex convicts. Most republican war keepers with greed
    to take the money from those who are vulnerable that is
    the idea. The republican finger pointing, who broad this
    country in a financial disaster.
    Instead of declaring war to and after the terrorists, with
    all spending brought the economy down and Americans who life
    undisciplined irresponsible in over valuing there living standards who lost
    there homes to be responsible for their depth.

  • Max9010

    Non-citizens, for their part, contributed $28.9 billion, or eight percent of Arizona’s
    economic output, resulting in 278,000 full-time equivalent jobs. Their output included
    $10 billion in labor income, and $3.3 billion in other property income. The state tax
    revenues resulting from this economic activity were approximately $1.08 billion.
    They also looked at what would happen if the illegal workers were removed from the
    workforce.
    Agriculture: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the agriculture sector would
    result in direct losses of 3,300 full-time-equivalent jobs, and losses of $600.9
    million in output including lost labor income of $198.6 million, and lost other
    income of $116.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue would be approximately
    $24.8 million. Construction: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the construction
    sector would result in direct losses of 55,700 full-time-equivalent jobs, and $6.56 billion
    in output including lost labor income of $2.59 billion and $450.5 million in other lost income.

    • poop

      mexicans have small pee pee's

  • Max9010

    The direct lost state tax revenue would be approximately $269.2 million. Manufacturing: A ten
    percent reduction in the manufacturing workforce would result in direct losses of 12,300
    full-time-equivalent jobs, and $3.77 billion in output including lost labor income of
    $740.8 million, and lost other income of $286.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue
    would be approximately $104.4 million. Service industries: In the service sectors analyzed,
    a sixteen percent reduction in the labor force would translate to direct losses of 54,000
    full-time equivalent-jobs, and lost output of $2.48 billion including reduced labor income
    of $901.3 million, and reductions in other income of $273.0 million. The lost direct state
    tax revenue would be approximately $156.9 million.

  • Max9010

    I hope Governor Napolitano is realizing what a mistake she made pandering to the bigots.

    The study concluded that the state of Arizona took in tax revenue of $1.64 billion from
    immigrant workers while the amount the state spent on immigrants was approximately $1.41
    billion leaving a net benefit of $222.6 million to the state coffers. But that is only
    what they contribute to Arizona’s revenue. They also pay national income taxes and social
    security taxes.

  • Max9010

    Boycott Over Arizona Immigrant Law Cost $141 Million, Study Says
    By Ashley Lutz – Nov 18, 2010 10:02 AM ET
    A business boycott of Arizona over its immigration law may have cost the state’s economy as much as $141 million, a Washington-based policy group estimated.
    Convention bookings for July and August fell 35 percent from a year earlier, cutting lodging revenue by $45 million, the Center for American Progress said in a report today. Lost spending on food, beverages, entertainment, local transportation and retail goods brought the total cost to $141 million, the report said.
    The boycott is aimed at an Arizona law requiring police officers to determine the immigration status of people stopped for questioning. The state’s credit may be affected if the boycott harms tourism, Moody’s Investors Service said in May. In July, Moody’s cut the state one level to Aa3, its fourth-highest credit rank, citing “economic and financial weakness.”

    • piss

      I will be vacationing in arazonia cause they check their illgal mexicans papers. I think they should check all mexican looking creatures for papers all of them even the american proto type mexican

  • Max9010

    “This significant hit to direct visitor spending could not come at a worse economic time for Arizona,” said the report by the policy group founded by former Clinton administration chief of staff John Podesta in 2003. The center describes itself as a critic of conservative values and a supporter of the progressive movement.

    Tourists spent $16.6 billion last year in Arizona, where the travel industry supports 157,000 jobs, the state Office of Tourism said July 15.

    • phoebeintheforest

      Gee Max if the Latino culture is so superior to America's, how come their countries are crime-ridden, poverty-stricken hellholes for everyone except the wealthy? How about all those out of wedlock Latino babies we taxpayers are helping to support???? You need to step back and look at the WHOLE picture! Without a secure border, without the rule of law we are doomed as a nation…..

  • http://www.mysapce.com/freddawes1776/ Fred Dawes

    You can't win in a fight against our enemies all you can do now is to form a new nation out of the dead one, do what our enemies do, move in numbers to a place no monkey would move to and build a new nation under the ideals of the dead nation murdered by left ideals build it in away that will not be able to be taken from you or your kids and someday maybe 100 years from now yoiur greatgrand kinds can make this nation once more under laws. that is the own hope you have. if people can;t see that fact you are doomed to live in a hell on earth.

  • Beth

    "Janet Napolitano say that she’s got everything with the border under control"….

    must be a joke (and not a funny one)

    Truth be told – that situtation has been out of control for quite some time now. Strong leaders would have put a stop to it eons ago. They also would have dealt more wisely with the Mexican government – when it was possible. The 'drug-lords' are ruling now.

    and Janet Napolitano wants everyone to believe that she’s got everything with the border under control?

    What to do……. laugh or cry?

    • coyote3

      Okay, will she come "ride the river" with us some night? I'll show her outta control

  • davarino

    Jeez Max why dont you dominate the conversation. So because we are being held hostage economically we should give up and just let any and everyone across the southern border? Besides, I dont beleive your BS anyway. The economic contribution from the Latino owned businesses is from Latino's here legally. The illegals dont pay taxes unless they are some how working at a business that didnt check their status and pay the income tax, but an American citizen could have had that job and pay the tax just as well so I dont see your point. If the illegals were gone and only citizens could work then the contribution from the legals would go even further because there arent the expenses to pay for illegals who dont pay taxes.

    Sorry I dont get your long rant.

  • Theo Prinse

    Overwhelming detailed professor material from Max9010, but it sounds much like the 2.000 pages bill of the democrats. Nobody ever read it. The contribution of Max9010 say nothing about the 2 million illegal’s or the 20 million unemployed. Many of the unemployed lost their job to an illegal Latino.
    Some correct adding and subtraction however will show a totally different picture. Like in Europe with muslims, America is overrun by Mexicans. Mass immigration of low educated people stagnates any economy. Ultimately the economy can reach a critical point. Mexico is already in a civil war with their drug maffia. If the Latinos were to return to Mexico, both the US and Mexico would benefit economically and politically. Mexico economically with such an influx of Latino entrepreneurs and the US politically and morally towards their citizens.

  • coyote3

    I don't get this. Just because someone "pays taxes", and that is debatable, what entitles them to benefits. We are not talking about social security retirement here, that people have paid into for decades. We are talking about non paying patients at hospitals, food stamps, section 8, AFDC. I don't really care if these mojados sign over their entire paycheck, if they entered this country without authorization, they are criminals. I didn't have ancestors who fought for Tejas independence to end up afflicted with this.

  • Brittanicus

    FIGHT OR BLEED DOLLARS! THE DREAM ACT TRAVESTY?

    A well known anti-open border columnist Michelle Malkin and Champion of Justice has hit the nail squarely on the head about the catering to illegal aliens and the ever widening of doors to let anyone into our nation. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER INCREMENTAL CHAIN MIGRATION, IF THE SENATE PASSES THE DREAM ACT. THIS IS A DECEIVING AGENDA OF THE LIBERAL-DEMOCRATS AND THE FAR LEFT WING PRESS. Secret or stealth Amnesties have been going on under our noses for years, specifically the laws of Chain Migration, which adds to our population when a legitimate immigrant sponsors family members. The reality is that there is neglect on behalf of our government, to assure the original guarantor doesn't renege on their obligation to keep financing the family members? What happens incessantly is that older sponsored family members become sick and the American taxpayers has to pay for their hospitalization or doctor visits. In addition, the original sponsor loses his job and can no longer support the father or mother, sister or brother.

    The government agencies do not have the personnel to enforce these laws and eventually the family members must rely on public social services. This is exactly the same situation if the Dream Act passes as the 2.1 million eligible students, can sponsor their immediate family once they gain permanent residency. Then after signing an affidavit of support, they can convey to America more mouths to feed, more sick and infirm that taxpayers must support by law, must educate the children or any new born baby and must imprison convicted felons. This chain migration unfortunately in the majority of cases becomes a taxpayer’s lament, because the chain migration law is never ending. The illegal immigration annexation of our country has got to the point, where State must protect and defend their population of citizens and permanent residents. The biggest hurdle to overcome is activist judges, who overlook the rights of citizens as invoked by the founding authors in the US Constitution.

    Arizona has embarked on its own judicial venture, to enforce laws that neither political party have really attempted to impose? There is a failure to secure the borders or execute some official directive to reveal the invasion from other countries via airport terminals. Too many tourists and students are misrepresenting their intention when entering these United States, fully aware they are here to settle. IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WAS SINCERE IN ENFORCING LAWS ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, THE PENALTY FOR UNLAWFUL ENTRY WOULD BE A FELONY, PRISON AND DEPORTATION. Now low-skilled American workers of all races must compete for jobs in this recession period with foreign nationals. You would think with nearly 10 percent of Americans jobless, the US government would put thousands of "boots on the ground" the length of the Southern border.

    Among the major acts of Congress providing mass pardons and citizenship benefits:

    – The 1986 Immigration and Reform Control Act blanket amnesty for an estimated 2.7 million illegal aliens, which finally became 5 million as the program was full of fraud.

    – 1994: The “Section 245(i)” temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens.

    – 1997: Extension of the Section 245(i) amnesty.

    – 1997: The Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act for nearly one million illegal aliens from Central America.

    – 1998: The Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti.

    – 2000: Extension of amnesty for some 400,000 illegal aliens who claimed eligibility under the 1986 act.

    – 2000: The Legal Immigration Family Equity Act, which included a restoration of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty for 900,000 illegal aliens.

    This is in addition to hundreds of “private relief bills” sponsored in Congress every year.

    This is just the proverbial tip of the iceberg that Liberal Democrats have failed to see, or just don't care about. Each year America takes into this country through the visa process over a million new legal immigrants. Those readers interested in the dream Act, should read the full implications of this commitment of the passage of this law:

    Read more about the Dream Act at NumbersUSA and then you decide? Under current law (10 USC § 504), the Secretary of Defense can authorize the enlistment of illegal nationals. Once enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces, under 8 USC § 1440, these illegal aliens can become naturalized citizens through expedited processing, often obtaining U.S. citizenship in six months? Call your Three Members of Congress through the Capitol Hill switchboard: 202-224-3121to stops this immigration travesty. Liberal-Democrats do not want the Dream Act to be reviewed.

  • Padre

    I say we should adopt Mexico's illegal immigration laws and seal the borders using US troops to stem the southern invasion.

    So, before you flame me, explain why we should not adopt and enforce the same laws used by Mexico in Re: illegal immigration. Why would that not be fair and equitable?

  • Rev michael

    nobody should collect from social services unless they were born in america by americans, nobody should collect social security unless its their own money that they put in, if they didnt contribute then they dont get to suck from the tit of american taxpayers, the prison system, health care sytem and school system is over flowing because of illegals in our country, we should adopt Mexico's immigration laws and illegal immigration laws then we wouldn't have any problems except for the dems who think the few americans left who have tax paying jobs should pay for all of those conditions for would be dem voters-illegals. mexico has the harshest laws but Calderon can come here, to my nation and have a gripe about us wanting to respect our borders , he cant control his side of the border as it is