Israel’s Fight is Our Fight


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[Editors' Note: Below is a speech given by Pastor John C. Hagee at the Restoration Weekend event hosted this past weekend by the David Horowitz Freedom Center in Palm Beach, Florida.]

Introduction by Dr. Bob: Thank you, Andrew, and good evening, everyone.

John C. Hagee is a remarkable man, with many talents.  He is a pastor, a philanthropist, an author, and an inspirational speaker, as you will hear.

As a young pastor, he founded Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas — a nondenominational evangelical church which has grown under his leadership to more than 19,000 active members.  But in addition to those 19,000 members, he reaches millions of people in 235 countries around the world, through his international television ministry.

As a philanthropist, his focus has been on helping the people of Israel.  Over the years, John Hagee Ministries has raised more than $70 million to help humanitarian causes in Israel.

And to further his support for Israel in 2006, Dr. Hagee founded Christians United for Israel, or CUFI.  CUFI is a grassroots international organization that has grown in four short years to over 500,000 members.

CUFI provides a platform through which every pro-Israel Christian in America can speak out and act in support of Israel.  Each month, CUFI holds 40 pro-Israel events, including events such as Nights to Honor Israel, in cities across America.  And in addition, it holds an annual summit in Washington, D.C., where CUFI delegates meet face-to-face with members of Congress to lobby and support [of] Israel, the promised land.

And with all that, he still finds time to write.  He is the author of 28 books,  including two that were on the New York Times Best Sellers List.  His most recent book, “Can America Survive?” was published just a few months ago by Simon & Schuster.

I first heard Dr. Hagee in 2007 at the AIPAC Conference in Washington, D.C.  Even there, among highly regarded public speakers, he stood out.  He was without a doubt the most charismatic and dynamic speaker at the conference.  He mesmerized the audience with both the content and the energy of his presentation and received thunderous applause and numerous standing ovations.

I am truly honored tonight to introduce to you this evening a very special man, a man with an important mission, which includes supporting our traditional American values, supporting the Constitution of the United States, and supporting the Jewish State of Israel.  Ladies and gentlemen, Pastor John C. Hagee.

John C. Hagee: Thank you for the privilege and pleasure of speaking at this important gathering tonight.

I’d like to begin by thanking David Horowitz and the David Horowitz Freedom Center for all that they have done for the freedom of America, especially on our college campuses.

We all know how hard it is to stand up for truth on America’s college campuses these days, when pro-Israel speakers are being shouted down and pro-Israel students are being publicly ridiculed by professors, unbelievably.  This is why I’m so very grateful to have friends like David Horowitz and the David Horowitz Freedom Center, providing invaluable information, training and support for those brave students who are willing to confront the lies and the religious hatred of radical Islam.

We meet tonight at a difficult and dangerous juncture for America and for the cause of freedom around the world.  Like many of you here tonight, I have subscribed to the concept that the Jewish people are the West’s canary in the coalmine.  History has repeatedly demonstrated that when the Jewish people are singled out for persecution, the freedom of all citizens is at risk.

Therefore, when the Jewish people are being attacked, all Americans should stand up and wake up, and express their outrage because we are next.  As Americans, we must snap out of this politically correct fog and admit that we are at war with radical Islam.

This is a war of survival.  This is a war of good versus evil.  This is a war of light versus darkness.  This is a war between those who love life and those who worship death.  It’s an easy choice.  But that’s the reality.  And the reality is, like it or not, you and your children and your grandchildren are in this war.  There will be a winner, and there will be a loser.  And to the winner goes our children and our grandchildren.

And tonight, we must commit ourselves to absolute victory over radical Islam.  No exception.

Today, the Jewish people are still our canary in the coalmine.  It is the Jewish State in particular that serves as the West’s warning system.  America must wake up to the understanding that Iran fully intends to destroy the United States of America.  When someone threatens to kill you, you should take it seriously.

We must recognize those who threaten Israel have the United States in their sights.  To anyone with eyes to see and ears that hear, it is clear that Israel is in the greatest danger it has faced since six Arab armies tried to strangle the Jewish State in the birth canal in 1948.

I know that during difficult days such as these, when it seems that the whole world is against Israel, many friends of Israel such as yourselves nervously scan the horizon for friends.  You look toward the United Nations, which Dore Gold calls the Tower of Babel.  And I agree.  You look at Europe, where the ghost of Hitler is again walking across the stage of human history.

You open your newspapers and read about America’s universities, where Israel is being viciously vilified by students taught by American — taught by professors whose Middle Eastern chairs are sponsored by Saudi Arabia, whose fees are paid with petrol dollars that went through our gas tank.  You look to America’s mainline churches and their initiatives to divest from Israel.  You go to the bookstore, and you see slanderous titles from a former US President, and you feel very much alone.

I came here tonight to speak about Christians United for Israel, and the millions of evangelicals in America who have a deep, faith-based belief, to love Israel, to speak up for Israel, to stand up for Israel; to stand up enough to, once a year, annually, charge up Capitol Hill with 5,000-plus delegates from every state in the Union, visiting as much as 87 percent of the US Congress, saying, Stop pressuring Israel to give land to terrorists who will not recognize Israel’s right to exist.

I came here tonight to deliver a message from those 50 million of — for those 50 million evangelicals.  And I want to say this very clearly.  Tonight, Israel is not alone.  Your fight is our fight; your enemies are our enemies.  We’re in this together to the end.

Ladies and gentlemen, it’s a new day in America.  The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened.  Christians are joining Jews in speaking out against militant Islam.  As you know, Ahmadinejad poses a threat to the State of Israel that promises nothing less than a nuclear holocaust.

I have been saying on national television, in churches and auditoriums across America, it’s 1938 all over again.  Iran is Germany, and Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler of the Middle East.

We must stop Iran’s nuclear threat.  And candidly toothless, limp-wristed sanctions from Washington is simply not going to get it done.

The only way to win a nuclear war is to make certain it never starts.  Iran’s president has not limited his maniacal threats to Israel; he’s also asked fellow Iranians to imagine a world without America.  That’s pretty clear.  It’s a clear threat to destroy the United States of America.

I have something to say to the president of Iran.  Mr. Ahmadinejad, do not threaten the United States of America.  Do not threaten the State of Israel.  Do not threaten the State of Israel, saying, “They will pass in a sudden storm.”  In the Bible, whenever Pharaoh threatened the Jews of Egypt, he became fish food in the Red Sea.  Whenever Haman threatened the Jews in Persia, which is modern-day Iran, he and his sons hung on the very gallows he built for the Jewish people.

Our message, Mr. Ahmadinejad — that threats against Israel have a way of becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.  You may be well speaking about your own demise when you say, “Israel will pass away with a sudden storm.”  But you are not talking about Israel’s demise.  The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is watching you.  King David writes, “The God that keepeth Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps.”  Christians believe there’s a spy in the sky, and he’s Jewish.

Mr. Ahmadinejad, the Christians of America will not sit by in silence and watch you plan and plot a nuclear holocaust.  There will never be another holocaust, not on our watch, not ever.

Beyond the threat from Iran, there’s another, more subtle threat that concerns me.  I am concerned that in the coming months yet another attempt will be made to parcel out parts of Israel in a futile attempt to appease Israel’s enemies in the Middle East.  I believe that the misguided souls in Europe, the political brothel that is the United Nations, and sadly our own administration will once again try to turn Israel into what Churchill called crocodile food.  Winston Churchill, one of my favorite statesmen of all time, said — and I quote — “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile in the futile hope that it will eat him last.”

In 1938, Czechoslovakia’s Sudetenland was turned into crocodile food for the Nazi German beast.  The Nazi beast smelled the weakness in the appeasers, ate the food, and then marched on to devour most of Europe and systematically slaughter six million people.  Six million Jewish people.

We are again hearing calls to appease the enemies of Israel.  Once again, those who would appease seek to do so at the expense of Israel.  Israel is always the one called upon to sacrifice.  They tell us that if we want the Sunnis and the Shiites to stop massacring each other in Iraq, then Israel must give up land.  And if we want the Syrians and Hezbollah to stop murdering the leaders of Lebanon, then Israel must give up land.  And if we want the Saudis to permit women to drive or vote, the obvious answer is that Israel should give up more land.

And if we want the sun to rise in the east and set in the west, the obvious answer is Israel should give up some more land.

Let me be very clear about this — Israel is not the problem here.  Scapegoating Israel is not going to solve the problem.  The problem is Arab rejection of Israel’s right to exist.

The problem is Israel does not have a legitimate partner for peace.  The problem is radical Islam’s bloodthirsty embrace of a theocratic dictatorship that believes they have a mandate from God to kill Christians and Jews.  The problem is the failure of moderates in the Arab and Muslim world to stand up and rein in these Islamic terrorists.

If the moderate Arabs believe that murdering Christians and Jews is wrong, then stand up and speak up.  Your silence is deafening.  Appeasement, my friends, is not the answer.  To quote the great evangelical abolitionist [William] Wilberforce — he said, “Appeasement is nothing more than surrender on the installment plan.”

America should not pressure Israel to give up more land.  And America must never pressure Israel to divide the city of Jerusalem.

What the Jewish people do with the city of Jerusalem is the business of the Jewish people, not the United States of America.

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  • Shy Guy

    Hey, Rami, you can suck jiffa in Jiffna for the rest of your life.

    Regards from Jerusalem, the eternal capital of the Jewish nation.

  • Tine

    Proud to be God chosen people, the Israeli, the Christians

  • Cuinn

    Calling the UN a "political brothel". Priceless.

  • bob maram

    this jew thanks g-d for his christian brothers who aretruly people of mitzvot and good deeds. may you truly be blessed. bob maram

    • Lori

      I Love Israel, And I Truly Back Israel.

      • bob maram

        thank you dear lori, bob

  • DHill

    This Christian thanks G-d for his conservative Jewish brothers such as Mr. Horowitz, M. Medved, D. Lapin, their shared ethics and Creator.

  • wind77

    Many Palestinian Christians visit Jerusalem. However between 1948 and 1967, Jordan did not allow Jews to enter East Jerusalem and visit the Kotel.

  • seadog1946

    Pastor John… I'm sure that the local IDF recruiting station and the One Israel Fund would appreciate your membership list.

    Your Christian ministry would be more plausible if you spent more time in Israel handing out free copies of the new testament and bringing your Christian message to the un-baptized masses that are lost on the pharisaical path.

    • highpressure

      Pastor Hagee's ministry does involve the great commision. Where do you get information to the contrary?

    • ziontruth

      “handing out free copies of the new testament and bringing your Christian message to the un-baptized masses that are lost on the pharisaical path.”

      No.

      It’s OK for a non-Jew to be a Christian. It’s not OK for a Jew to be a Christian, or indeed to practice any religion other than Judaism. The 613 commandments are what HaShem wants of the Jewish people, exactly.

  • Chezwick_Mac

    Rami may be a Muslim pretending to be a Christian…or he is indeed a Christian so thoroughly dhimmified that he identifies with his Muslim oppressor. If he is the latter, get used to the likes of him, folks. He is the poster boy of Europe's future.

  • stern

    Point of clarification, please. When you say your family have not being able to "enter" Jerusalem, precisely what do you mean? Anyone who wants to is perfectly free to enter Jerusalem and pray at their holy sites at any time. There are no barriers whatsoever. (Quite unlike the way it was when Jordan controlled the Holy City; then, no Jews were allowed whatsoever).
    So come on, tell the truth here. Or are you just a troll, whose repeating the garbage heard elsewhere?

    • highpressure

      You are correct Mr Stern. Let me add to that. Jews were also suppose to be able access other Jewish Holy sites and to this day have been denied by Islamic Terrorist control areas that were suppose to open up after the PLO had taken control. And these areas are just outside of Jerusalem.

      Since that aggreement has never been honored by the Islamofascists, Israel has all the moral right to enforse that aggreement if they choose to do so.

  • Bert

    Rami,
    When you so-called "Palestinians' were in charge before 1967, Jews were banned from Jewish holy sites, synagogues were destroyed, Jewish graves were dug up and the tombstones were used in latrines. If you are a real Christian you will see in Genesis that G-d gives the land to the Jews. but I suspect that your book is really the Koran and your prophet is Yasser Arafat.

  • highpressure

    Rami,

    As someone who has ties to ex-Bethlehem Christians and Lebanese Christians raped with family members murdered by the likes of the PLO, gangs from the refuge camps and Hezbellah; I can comfortably state that either you are a fool or a sociopath.

  • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

    Any minister who believes and teaches that a man who lives 70 years in selfish pleasure will suffer an eternity in the flesh scorching flames of hell is unfit to lead his own life, let alone the lives of others. These men, from the pope to robertson to hagee believe that all who reject the LOVE OF JESUS will suffer the eternal torments of hellfire. This is the most pathetic oxymoron that could ever be associated with Christ. Let's paraphrase John 3:16 in light of their dogma: "For GOD so loved the world, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not" [suffer the agonizing flesh tormenting flames of hell forever] "but have everlasting life." These "scholars" refuse the most fundamental teaching taught at the beginning of the Bible: everlasting life can only be achieved through eating the fruit of "the tree of life." And when Adam sinned he was denied that fruit. This ushered his eventual death, along with ours.

    • highpressure

      So who was living in selfish desire. He started in poverty and has given over 70 million through his Ministry to help poor Israelis to include orphans of terrorist murders.

      Gary you have ignored in the past, but let me remind you. It is secular religionists like your self that have murdered over 200 million in less then 50 years. The deaths "claimed" in the entirity of Judaism and Christianity is dwarfed by that number within a 50 year period.

      Taking selective quotes from the Bible does not impress me nor should it anyone else. It is easy (lazy), out of context and dishonest. I suggest you look at your own theology that has murdered millions.

      You have obviously selected to ignore the divinity of Yeshua as prophetized by the Hebrew Bible fulfilled over 300 tmes, which is your choice. I'm not going to argue that. But that is no excuse to purposely state a falsehood to mislead. It is better to remain silent.

    • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

      To those who gave me the thumbs down. It saddens me how the church is being played the fool no less than Islam: that carnal Christians run the world until the Second Advent of Jesus Christ (as Daniel 2 & 7 said, when Christ comes to smash to smithereens the hypocrites to His Law): men who trample the Ten Commandments as if they were dung. The Vatican trashed Two (the 2nd & the 4th), and America trashes the 4th along with the Vatican. So who do we serve? And the apostle James said that to trample any one of GOD'S Sacred Laws: the Laws Christ obeyed to redeem us, is to trample them all (Ja.2:10-12).

      The most basic call of GOD to man has been circumvented by those who claim to serve Him. What is His call? Repent from all sin that you may live! Those who don't, do not!

      But here's the supreme arrogance of today's Christianity: they will never repent and humble themselves before a loving and forgiving GOD, and acknowledge that THEY are the reason atheism rules our society: in government, education and science! Every child longs for a loving GOD to bless their lives; and the church has effectively denied them—and us.

      The Great Judgment will bring to light the hidden arrogance, hatred and sin of men who now appear to be righteous, as Peter warned, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved [those whose names are on the church books], where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" I Peter 4:18.

      • dina

        Christians have no right to preach to people of Israel. You did not have right to interpret scriptures or add anything to them, without giving credit to Jews . Who gave you the right to judge the book you are not undrestanding fully? You beleive in a man to be a God, that' a sin. That's would be nice if you did not beleive in that crap.
        How are we supposed to respect you, if you sent Jews into exile, mocked their religion and called it Old Testament. It would be nice if you educate yourself a little on Hebrew language and scriptures. That's would be nice if you did not try to change Jewish religion and impose your Christian religion in Israel. That's wrong and religion is not advertisement. If you want to stand for Jews, stand for Judaism, Jews for Judaism, and not fradulent "Jews for Jesus", they confessed that they made up the whole thing.

        • highpressure

          Dina,

          1) Mr Hagee does give credit to the Jews. He has often said without the Jews, Christianity can not explain their theology. I agre with you totally if you are stating that many who call themselves Christians don’t recognize their existance and ties to pre rabbinical Judaism – they probably have not studied the Word especially Romans.

          2) How many Jews who profess Judaism actually practice it.? 10 percent maybe. Most practice as Rabbi Lapin stated, a modern version of Baal worship. Yet they are more accepted then Jews who study ancient scripture and come to the conclusion that Yeshua is who he says he is. Yet you have trouble with Jews believing in over 300 lines of scripture pointing to Yeshua?

          3) If Biblical Christians excluded Jews from what we call the great Commission, that would mean we did not Love the Lord or his entire creation. You ignore scripture when it tells you that the Gentiles will be used to bring the Word back to His people.

          4) You should note that Christianity and Judaism is not a pure religion. It is something better, it is an relationship. Religion is man reaching out for God. We have a loving God who reaches out to His creation.

          Have a blessed Thanksgiving.

        • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

          You have a right to your view and your freedom to choose your course in life. And I won't be a tyrant about it. Assuming you've studied the Tenack you may recall these words, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, threescore and two weeks…And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself." Daniel 9:24-27. Dina, the commandment came in 457 B.C.E. via Artaxerxes (Ezra 7). United with Scripture's principle of 1 prophetic day equaling 1 literal year (Num.14:34; Eze.4:6) the "seventy weeks" or 490 year prophecy could only be fulfilled by the Christ of GOD. GOD proved His Sacrifice for the sins of man through simple arithmetic in which a little child can understand. Beyond this, I'll say no more.

          • dina

            Are you talking about messiah or a god. If that was written in Tanach, Jews would let him be the messiah, but he did not fulfill requirements to be a messiah. Chabad Lubavich is a better candidate for it, not Jesus.

          • ziontruth

            "Chabad Lubavich is a better candidate for it, not Jesus."

            Neither. Jewish eschatology says a man could be Mashiach as long as he's alive; once he has died, all hopes for his being Mashiach should be abandoned.

      • highpressure

        First of all Gary, the way you are writing you are stating that the church is an observable organization. That is not Biblical. The church is the body of beleivers who follow Yeshua. You are being as much a hypocrite as the claims you attach to others.

        Point of fact you state that people like Hagee teach that if you belong to his organization, they are saved. Mr Hagee teached just the opposite. So why did you state otherwise? You have lied and attacked just to make this a bully pulpit ignoring Biblical truth to put forth your agenda. What does the Bible say about you. I suggest you read the fist Chapter of 1 John then flip over to 2 Timothy Chapter 3.

        If you beleive that there is a perfect “church organization” , you will never find it through history. Just look at the letters of Paul.

        If you stated that there is an emergent or apostate church arising, you would not get an arguement from me.

        You remind me that false prophet Harold Camping who gets so allorgorcal that his only purpose is to draw a radio audience when he himself practices just the opposite.

        Beleive me, I have restrained myself. Perhaps you should demonstrate some humility yourself.

    • Jerry

      Gary, I do not know who taught you theology. People are punished for thier own deeds. Believing in Jesus is the way for salvation. However, I do not know why you want to bring something which happens after death right now in this discussion and why you want to discuss Christianity in isolation and not discuss Hinduism or Islam. Stay focused on the topic and speak something related.

      • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

        Jerry, your words are truly worthy of some explanation on my part; and I sincerely appreciate your diplomacy to carefully weigh your words to me. My talent given me in life does not deal with details, but the themes of our ideals concerning man's inborn virtues. As a classical violinist since age four, the music I was raised with only dealt with themes in music in which the composer took you on a journey based on the theme he presented at the beginning of his composition. The theme of the foundational theology I viewed in this post only dealt with the evangelist, John Hagee. My sincere focus was on his beliefs, his often public declaration that those who reject Jesus Christ will suffer excruciating pain in hellfire for all eternity. If you will take your precious time from your day to read my associated posts, I hope, and pray for you as a friend, that you will understand my perspective on man's ultimate hypocrisy, and contrast this view with the Reformation-fathers views that all sin is condemned, and its promotion by men of authority will never gain the gift of salvation! And I will never, ever, force your will to believe as I, as I am convicted at this time. Your teachable friend forever through the Grace of Jesus Christ, Gary

        • highpressure

          Gary,

          If you sole reason to post as you stated was to “deal” with Mr Haggee’s view of salvation (which goes back to the 1st Century Church), then why even comment when the subject is Israel.

          You are sort of admitting that your motives were not exactly pure brother. so would you say you are engaging in opportunity bashing?

          HP

  • Samurai Hit Woman

    Oh yeah, Christians are crazy and Jews are crazy and you alone are sane, Bubba, how crazy is that?

    Since Christians founded the United States and Jews founded Christians what great enterprise have you've founded?

    • dina

      Not just Christians founded United states and Jews are not Christians.

      • highpressure

        You are right Dina. The Jews were very instumental in the revolution. We couldn’t of won in the time we did without their help. But it can be also said that the Jews who helped (without proper recognition) that they saw the Christian base of the founding of this country better then the unstable secularist nations of Europe which without the foundation their would be no consistant protection as they experienced in America. They recognized the Biblical Ethics of Christianity to their own.

      • Samurai Hit Woman

        Oh yes, it was Christians that founded this country. I know the popular line reads that Deists founded it but when you read the list of Deists, the words these so called Deists have written could only have been written by Christians.

        In fact they sound more like they were written by Billy Graham than someone who believed in an absentee landlord.

        And what a hairbrained idea that I would believe Jews are Christian.

  • bob maram

    although i oppose the comments made by rami and my ideas and values run contrary to his it is only through freedom of expression can we approach truth. i am unhappy that the administration decided to eliminate his comments. we do not need to indulge the horrific example of book burning to make our point. the responses to rami were to me pretty reasonable and true. thank you, bob maram

  • tweedledee

    Why should the working people of America have to fund Israels infrastructure and military buildup (or of any other country for that matter)?. This is absurd. If we used the same amount of tax dollars that go into military assistance for Israel we could fix our roads, schools, repair bridges, help create jobs at home. Hell, we could all pay a little less taxes.

    I'm sick of hearing/reading about how we need to support Israel in the region while we pump absurds amount of tax payer dollars into Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan. They clearly have enough $ and a well trained military to defend themselves, we do not benefit from this relationship. If any country should be paying the bill on Israel it should be GERMANY! Not us.

    • Sponge

      Many other nations receive far more aid from the U.S when compared with Israel. While the US allots about $3billion to Israel in military aid and foreign assistance, this aid is included in the foreign aid section of the US budget. However, the US spends far more than $3 billion to subsidize the military defense of its allies in Europe, South Korea and Japan and to assist nations like Afghanistan. This other assistance, however, is included in the defense budget instead of the foreign aid budget.

      Besides, there is no reason to end US aid to Israel when it has proved to be one of the US' most successful investments and of its most valuable foreign efforts. Any beginning student of economics or political science could tell you that! Israel provides strategic, military and medical aid to the U.S. Additionally, the vast majority of what Israel receives must be spent in the U.S. to generate profits and jobs. Peter McPherson, former administrator of the Agency for International Development, estimated that every billion dollars of aid to Israel creates "60,000 to 70,000 jobs in the United States."

      • fuzzywzhe

        Name another nation that receives more "aid" than Israel does.

        Israel doesn't only receive the most aid, they receive the most aid per capita. $500 per man, woman, and child in the country. That's like $2000 per family and I don't want to pay for it.

        If you do, go ahead but why are you dragging me along? I don't like paying for welfare for Americans and I sure don't like paying welfare for NON Americans.

        • Sponge

          Read my post above again. You are incorrect in stating that Israel receives the most aid from the U.S.. You are confusing the statistics. Israel gets its aid from the our foreign aid budget, other countries get their aid through our foreign aid budget. For example, we spend approximately $3.9 billion a year just to subsidize Japan's military. That is just one nation that receives more aid than Israel. Other nations such as Iraq, Afghanistan and some European countries also receive more aid than Israel.

          The aid to Israel isn't welfare, its a very important and strategic investment that pays many dividends to America over and over. The U.S. not only receives a stable "foothold" in the Middle East, but they receive strategic, military and medical benefits from Israel. Additionally, nearly 70% of the aid Israel receives from the U.S. is required to be spent back in U.S. to stimulate our economy and jobs.

          • Sponge

            Woops, I meant other countries get their aid through our defense budget. Either way, you don't have to pay anyone's welfare, but to single out just Israel seems disingenious.

          • fuzzywzhe

            You're incorrect about the countries.
            http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-forei

            I am sick and tired of people lying about it, especially when it's so easy to look up. I got 2 thumbs down, for telling the truth. I seem to get a lot of criticism to telling the truth today when it comes to Israel.

          • http://prosemiteundercover.phpbbnow.com/index.php Andy Lewis

            Oops…looks as if you just got another thumbs down.

          • Sponge

            fuzzywzhe, you are incorrect in that you are only looking at the U.S.'s FOREIGN AID BUDGET. Yes, Israel is the highest recipient under the U.S.'s FOREIGN AID budget. However, countries like Japan, Afghanistan, parts of Europe and Iraq receive equal and more funding under the U.S.'s DEFENSE BUDGET. Japan receives roughly $3.9 billion from the U.S. annually to subsidize its military defense.

            Clearly other nations receive far more money from the U.S. than Israel, it is just coming from different parts of our overall budget. You keep getting thumbs down because you aren't telling the truth about Israel.

          • tweedledee

            fuzzywzhe: they don't want the truth, because they can't handle the truth. And sometimes facts and truth are not convenient when they don't fit in with your agenda. People like to parrot talking points made by talking heads like Hagee and are too lazy to search out information for themselves.

            We spend billions of dollars and Israel which we could be spending here and on our own people, our infrastructure. and military. We're in a hole right now, and we should be digging ourselves by cutting funding to all foreign countries.

          • MixMChess

            "they don't want the truth, because they can't handle the truth."

            What truth? As sponge pointed out fuzzywzhe was talking out of his behind and misusing/manipulating budget statistics to defame Israel. All of Sponge's facts sufficiently refuted (or perhaps refudiated?) fuzzywzhe's lies.

            "We spend billions of dollars and Israel which we could be spending here and on our own people, our infrastructure. and military. We're in a hole right now, and we should be digging ourselves by cutting funding to all foreign countries."

            You can advocate for cutting our spending to all foreign countries, but singling out just Israel is intellectually dishonest and quite frankly blatant antisemitism. Besides, looking at some of the statistics provided above its pretty money spend on Israel is an investment that pays the U.S. back many times over in a variety of ways (medical, technological, military).

    • Sponge

      Perhaps the American people really need to stop funding the Palestinians. Between 1950 and 2002 the U.S. provided the Palestinians with over $2.8 billion in aid, and Obama just pledged hundreds of millions more. There have been no net benefits received/returned on our investments in the Palestinians.

      • fuzzywzhe

        Fine with me.

        So the Palestinians have received nearly $3 billion total in 52 years.

        Israel gets that every year.

        • Sponge

          Perhaps, but have the Palestinians provided America with any strategic, military or medical benefits? Have the Palestinians spent over 70% of their aid on American companies to further stimulate the U.S. economy and jobs?

          Besides, the Palestinians receive billions in foreign aid from other sources (including Israel – in UNRWA’s first 20 years, Israel contributed more than most Arab states to the program. Over 2% of the UN’s total budget goes to UNRWA, while only 3% of the total goes to ALL other refugees in the world. The World Bank reported that Palestinians have received the highest per capita aid transfer in the history of foreign aid anywhere. Between 1993 and 2004 alone, the international community donated approximately $7 billion to the PA treasury. Over half of that money is currently unaccounted for (maybe we should ask Suha Arafat?). In 1999, England’s Daily Telegraph reported the PLO had $50 billion in secret investments around the world.

          • tweedledee

            "Perhaps, but have the Palestinians provided America with any strategic, military or medical benefits? Have the Palestinians spent over 70% of their aid on American companies to further stimulate the U.S. economy and jobs? "

            can you give more specific info ? Where are those jobs that Israel's spending is supposed to be stimulating?

            According to newspapers today U.S. corporations made record profits in the third quarter, earning at an annual rate of more than $1.6 trillion. That’s the highest figure since the government began keeping track 60 years ago. Overall corporate earnings are up 28 percent from the same time last year. Companies, however, have not been using the record profits to hire more workers. So where are the jobs?

            We should stop spending tax payer money and our resources on other countries. If foreign and U.S. based Corporations (most of which are not creating jobs here, they're just outsourcing them) want to protect their interests abroad they should do it themselves instead of using our tax dollars.

            I sure as hell didn't take any part in the holocaust or create the state of Israel, I'm sick of paying the bill for it and for any other nation-state that can't deal with it's own issues.

          • Sponge

            Peter McPherson, former administrator of the Agency for International Development, estimated that every billion dollars of aid to Israel creates "60,000 to 70,000 jobs in the United States." The majority of these jobs are in the defense and computer technology industry but some are also in medicine.

            I don't think the U.S. is paying reparations for the Holocaust. The U.S. is simply investing in a very important and strategic ally that is already producing "dividends." If you don't want the U.S. to spend any money abroad with "foreign aid" thats fine, but singling out just Israel is disingenous. That said, I think most economists would disapprove of the U.S. not making "foreign investments" in other countries (whether it be Israel, Japan, China, Europe etc.).

          • Spirit_Of_1683

            The enduring memory of Palestinians is of them cheering, dancing and handing out sweets to their children when news of the 9/11 atrocity broke. Did Israeli Jews cheer and hand out sweets to their children in the street? No! The 9/11 atrocity and those disgraceful scenes in the Muslim world is what the US gets in return for its aid to Muslims. Unlike the rest of the Midlle East, Israel is a valuable US ally, but too many Americans are too dumb to realise that.

          • fuzzywzhe

            No the Palestinians haven't provided teh US with any "strategic military, or medical benefits".

            Medical benefits?

            Neither has Israel. They're just a sinkhole for money and the primary reason that the US has no allies in the Middle East.

          • Sponge

            You are not being honest. Israel shares plenty of medical technology with the U.S. For example, the U.S.-Israel Binational Industrial Research and Development Foundation, matches Israeli high-tech companies with strategic partners in the U.S. and recently worked on new biomedical technologies and the links among the biosciences and electronics and computer sciences.

            Also, US has plenty of allies in the middle east, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain just to name a few. These allies combined do not provide nearly as many overall net benefits as Israel provides to the U.S.

          • ziontruth

            "Neither has Israel. They're just a sinkhole for money and the primary reason that the US has no allies in the Middle East."

            Nope. It's the dunce hat for you. The US has no true allies in the Middle East except Israel because the US is a non-Muslim state while the Middle East is full of Muslims.

            It's your right to do what you want with your own money. It's not your right to invent facts.

          • Spirit_Of_1683

            fuzzywzhe isn't intelligent enough for the dunce hat.

    • ziontruth

      “I’m sick of hearing/reading about how we need to support Israel in the region while we pump absurds amount of tax payer dollars into Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Iraq, Afghanistan. They clearly have enough $ and a well trained military to defend themselves, …”

      I commend you for being a consistent isolationist rather than the impostors who single Israel out. Believe it or not, I agree with you: Israel should be weaned off American aid. And the reason:

      “we do not benefit from this relationship.”

      I can’t say I know how the US benefits from the relationship, but whatever Israel benefits is more than offset by the threat of using the aid as extortion (to get Israel to make concessions, such as restricting the Jewish inhabitation of their own land, in Judea and Samaria and Jerusalem).

      If I come off as anti-American, then I want to make it clear that I’m not, I just wish for the US-Israel relationship to be a normal one, of neither enmity nor alliance.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Here's an idea for you. Let's cut off any nation from US aid that does not consistently support the US in the United Nations. This would not include Israel, you might note.

  • John from Jerusalem

    Rami from Jiffna, all is forgiven, what did you say?

  • ObamaYoMoma

    The problem is the failure of moderates in the Arab and Muslim world to stand up and rein in these Islamic terrorists.

    The problem is in Islam and in stark contrast to faith-based religions like Christianity and Judaism, blasphemy and apostasy are punished under the pain of death. You see Islam is a radical ideology of submission whereby all Muhammadans must submit to the will of Allah and become the slaves of Allah. Thus, the freedom of conscience within Islam is strictly forbidden under the pain of death. Hence, any so-called moderate Muhammadans that speak out against the radicals, which are mainstream Muhammadans, reveals at the same time that they are blasphemers and apostates deserving of being executed via the texts and tenets of Islam.

    Therefore, the so-called moderate Muhammadans in reality are Muhammadan apostates, and in effect they are not really Muhammadans at all. Nonetheless, if they speak out against the radicals, which are mainstream Muhammadans since Islam is a radical ideology and anyone that adheres to that radical ideology is by definition a radical, at the same time the act of speaking out will not only be construed by mainstream Muhammadans as being very blasphemous, but it will also reveal simultaneously that they are apostates, and both offenses under Islam are punished under the pain of execution. Hence, the silence of the so-called moderates, which in reality are really apostates posing as being devout Muhammadans.

    In any event, given the strictures of Islam and the fact that they are trapped in that horrible society, I can’t really say that I blame them. Indeed, in the Soviet Union there were millions of communists who really weren’t communists at all but who nevertheless remained silent also, lest they be sent to slave concentration camps in Siberia for speaking out.

    Anyway, can anyone imagine people like Dr. Zudhi Jasser and Irshad Manji speaking out against terrorism and Israel in the Islamic world? They would get executed in a New York second and in the case of Irshad Manji, because she is a lesbian, her execution would be especially gruesome.

  • Prinveille Lola

    As an orthodox Christian of the Reformed perspective, I counsel you to read and live by "the whole counsel of the Bible." I don't know who is teaching you, but you have misread, misunderstood and misused John 3:16, and your second entry is biblically incoherent. The Bible exhorts us to "rightly divide the word of truth," and we are only able to do so with the help of its author, the Holy Spirit. I suggest you submit yourself humbly to His guidance into all of truth, and meanwhile it would be wise and compassionate to be silent when your words, however passionate, mislead. The God-breathed Word, the Bible does not give Utopian Law. It teaches truth, that is, truth as it conforms to the reality of what is as created by the triune,sovereign, immutable, personal God. I plead with you to turn (or return) to the straight and narrow path of the whole counsel of the Bible, not the peculiar and perverse worldview whose misrepresentations you cite.

    • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

      Prinveille Lola, I have prayerfully and tearfully read the Scriptures from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21, including Israel's generations in Chronicles. Your accusation of how I "have misread, misunderstood and misused John 3:16" leads me to ask, How do you define the word "perish" in that verse? Do you agree with today's Christianity that has taken the Bible's words, "perish," "death," "destroy," and "consume" and declare these words to be synonymous with roast, toast, bake, and fry?

      The prophecy will be fulfilled for both Satan and his followers: “Thus saith the LORD,” “I will destroy thee O covering cherub [Satan]…I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth…and never shalt thou be anymore.” To the humble and righteous among men the LORD says, “All the proud, yea, all that do wickedly…shall be ashes under the soles of your feet.” “They shall be as though they had never been.” Eze.28:16,18; Mal.4:3; Ob.16. In “the Spirit of Prophecy” David wrote, “For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be…But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away…he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.” Ps.37:10,20,36.

      The near universal doctrine of Christianity declaring immortality to little children in the fires of hell is a fallacy of the most grotesquely demonic imagination; and yet, virtually all mainstream Christians believe and teach this: with many of them even rejoicing for this to be so. Many ministers including men like Jerry Falwell have openly led their congregations to insultingly cheer and give applause to those they believe will suffer a fiery agony throughout eternity. It is the same spirit that led Pat Robertson to scornfully laugh as he said the word “bloodbath” in his description of the impending war between the Palestinians and the Jews. It is this spirit that lies at the heart of their true character. It is the same spirit that ruled in the coliseum of Rome when people cheered and gave standing ovations to human victims being torn apart by wild animals. This is why the Bible has assigned our nation of America the precarious title: “the false prophet.”

      • highpressure

        Gary,

        Where in my Bible is “This is why the Bible has assigned our nation of America the precarious title: “the false prophet.” as you stated. Where is America even noted directly in the Bible? It isn’t!

        And by how can a prophet be a whole nation? It can’t.

        Or is more allegorical liberalism that sent Christianity into the Dark Ages?

        BTW, I happen to read one of your “sites” where you state that Mary Magdalene was the woman Jesus stopped from being stoned. Didn’t that come out of the 5th century Church by St. Augustine where he took a little too much license and grouped three stories in a sermon together and then became a church myth for about 800 years.

        It seems strange you use that since you seem to have voiced contempt for Catholicism.

        Doesn’t the Bible say you are not to add or take away from scripture as far as the facts go? Are you a false teacher? Are you guilty of the same you claim others?

        Please brother – enlighten me. I read the Bible too. I don’t claim to be an expert like you do. But I can keep up with translations. I have an old Strong’s Concordance too.

        Humbly,
        HP

      • highpressure

        Gary,

        Give me a break. You wrote “The near universal doctrine of Christianity declaring immortality to little children in the fires of hell is a fallacy of the most grotesquely demonic imagination; and yet, virtually all mainstream Christians believe and teach this: with many of them even rejoicing for this to be so.”

        Let me correct you. Because all evangelical Protestant theology does not support your “stated fact”. Not even Catholic and Orthodox (Church Organization). No. 1 there isn’t any Protestant, Catholic and/or Orthodox theology supports rejoicing of others going to hell. On the contrary it is taught that we should be sad. PERIOD. No 2 Evangelical Protestants which include Hagee and Fallwell supports the idea of Age of Accountability which is supported by many scriptures that little children don’t go to hell. This is supported mainly by Duet 1:39 and Rom 5:13. There is supporting scripture to that also. So they don’t believe little children go to hell as you have stated.

        So why the sweeping generalizations? Why all the allegorical theory?

        HP

  • CAROLE63

    Brilliant speech by John Hagee! He calls a spade a spade, we need someone like him to be President!
    Satan really is the founder of this cult, it is very cunning how he has set himself up in complete opposition to the truth of the Judeo-Christian Bible, which is God`s word!
    We know the end of the story in Revelation, he only has a short time left so I hope a few more of Islam`s followers see the light before it is too late!
    It`s an awesome thing to be in opposition to Almighty God and it can only end in disaster!

    • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

      To those who gave me the thumbs down, It saddens me how the church is being played the fool no less than Islam: that carnal Christians run the world until the Second Advent of Jesus Christ (as Daniel 2 & 7 said, when Christ comes to smash to smithereens the hypocrites to His Law while claiming His service): men who trample the Ten Commandments as if they were dung. The Vatican TRASHED TWO (the 2nd & the 4th), and America trashes the 4th along with the Vatican. So who do we serve? man's laws or GOD'S? And the apostle James said that to trample any one of GOD'S Sacred Laws: the Laws Christ obeyed to redeem us, is to trample them all (Ja.2:10-12).

      The most basic call of GOD to man has been circumvented by those who claim to serve Him. What is His call? Repent from all sin that you may live! Those who don't, DO NOT!

      But here's the supreme arrogance of today's Christianity: they will never repent and humble themselves before a loving and forgiving GOD, and acknowledge that THEY are the reason atheism rules our society: in government, education and science! Every child longs for a loving GOD to bless their lives; and the RULING church has effectively denied them—and us.

      The Great Judgment will bring to light the hidden arrogance, hatred and sin of men who now appear to be righteous, as Peter warned, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved [those whose names are on the church books], where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?" I Peter 4:18.

  • fuzzywzhe

    Since when has Israel's fight – that is to create a Jewish state and to drive out the inhabitants of the Christian and Muslim people of the West Bank and Gaza to make a "greater Israel" been "our" fight?

    Israel can do whatever it wants, but it's not our fight. That's just silly.

    • Sponge

      Israel never drove out the Christian and Muslim peoples of the W. Bank and Gaza. The W. Bank is essentially autonomous and Israel completely withdrew from all of Gaza in 2005. The notion of a "greater" Israel is completely incorrect, especially considering that as recently as 2000 Israel offered over 98% of the W. Bank and Gaza to the Palestinians for a future state.

      • fuzzywzhe

        Then what exactly are Jewish only settlements in the West Bank?

        • Sponge

          Israel has made it very clear that it would be willing to dismantle settlements in the W. Bank for peace, or have an "even exchange" of land inside Israel in order for the W. Bank settlements.

          It is important to keep in mind that even Undersecretary of State Eugene Rostow has noted that the "Jewish right of settlement in the area is equivalent in every way to the right of the local population to live there."

          Israeli does not requisition private land for the establishment of settlements. Housing construction is allowed on private land only after determining that no private rights will be violated. The settlements also do not displace Arabs living in the territories. Besides, the vast majority of settlements have been built in uninhabited areas and even the handful established in or near Arab towns never forced any Palestinians to leave.

          • fuzzywzhe

            "Israel has made it very clear that it would be willing to dismantle settlements in the W. Bank for peace"

            HAHAHA.

            I think it's funny you believe that. What's more amusing is somebody gave you the thumbs up for it.

            It's amazing how uninformed people can be yet be completely certain of their moral cause. There's 1/2 million Jewish settlers and the removal of the settlements will never happen, can't happen.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Actually Israel’s enemies are our enemies and the enemies of Western civilization, as the same enemies that attacked us on 9/11 are the same enemies that Israel faces. The only difference is Israel is on the front lines of the global jihad because it borders the Dar al Islam and thus like all non-Islamic countries that also borders the Dar al Islam, Israel is far from being alone in this regard, Israel also faces a permanent jihad. Indeed, take off your myopic glasses and open up your narrow-mind for once and take a look around the world, everywhere the non-Islamic world borders the Dar al Islam, in Sudan, Nigeria, Chechnya, throughout the Caucuses, Bosnia, Kosovo, Kashmir, Jammu, India, Thailand, China, The Philippines, throughout the Horn of Africa and Northern Africa, the Muhammadans are waging hot and cold jihad against the infidels. Through stealth and deceptive non-violent jihad that we call demographic conquest and the Muslim Brotherhood calls "civilizational” jihad, they are also invading Western Europe, North and South America, Australia, and New Zealand, as in all those place the Muhammadan immigrants have refused to assimilate and integrate and instead formed Muhammadan no-go zones ruled by Sharia as parallel societies and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside, as it couldn’t be any clearer that Muhammadans don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate. Instead they immigrate to eventually subjugate and dominate. Hence, you need to get over your deep-seated Jew hatred, open up your eyes, and realize what is really happening, or otherwise if you continue to be a gullible useful idiot for the rest of our miserable life, you or your descendents will wind up being second-class dhimmis or even dead.

    • dina

      That's not your place, that's Israeli's place.

    • highpressure

      cough cough

      Israel drove off nobody. In 48 (if that is what you are talking about) they left with the promise by the the Muslim Nations if they left they could have the Jews homes and farms which they built. The cowardly attack was meant to slaughter the Jews. The gentiles who stayed and supported the State of Israel are citizens today.

      The Christians who have left afterward were driven out by the muderous PLO an cities like Bethlehem and Hexbellah and the PLO in Lebanon.

      How come the the Muslims refuse to give their homes back? How come your friends the Muslims won’t try the systematic rapists and murderers who are in power now.

      How come the stolen property which equals three times the land mass of current Israel from 49 and 50 is not talked about by your coward friends or yourself? There is only two reasons you don’t. And neither is flattering.

  • David

    Each world war has been but a battle, a battle in a much wider and greater war. Eventually, there comes a time when the ultimate, tide turning battle must take place. We approach that battle now and it will be called World War 3. It is inevitable.
    I love this speach. It is the words of a man who knows what is going on in the world.

  • gfmucci

    I'm remain puzzled why Pastor Hagee continually insists on referring to Islam as "militant" Islam or "radical" Islam when it is simply, purely Islam that is doing what it does. Can someone help me out here?

    • WildJew

      You are right. During the second world war, were we at war with "radical" Germans? This does not mean every German was an enemy. There was a tiny few who protested and defied Hitler.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Because he doesn’t understand that the dichotomy between so-called radical Islam and so-called moderate Islam is false. The reality is mainstream Islam is radical because its main goal is the subjugation of the world via the imposition of Sharia, as the jihad ideology, which is the obligation for Muhammadans to wage jihad against infidels for the spread of Islam, couldn’t be anymore mainstream within Islam, as it is taught and advocated by all sects of Islam and by all schools of Islamic jurisprudence in both Sunni and Shi’a Islam.

      Likewise, the dichotomy between so-called radical Muhammadans and so-called moderate Muhammadans is also false, because Islam is an ideology of submission, Muhammadans are either devout Muhammadans or otherwise they are a blasphemers and apostates of Islam that should be executed. In other words, it is sort of like being pregnant, you either are pregnant or you are not, and likewise, like you can’t be a little bit pregnant, well you also can’t be a little bit Muhammadan.

      In addition, the good pastor also condemned those so-called moderate Muhammadans who fail to speak up to denounce terrorism. However, the reason those so-called moderate Muhammadans are silent is because if they spoke out they would be revealing to the entire Islamic world that they are in reality blasphemers and apostates of Islam deserving of only death.

      In reality there are no moderate Muhammadans, as the moderate Muhammadans are in reality apostates of Islam that maintain the charade of being devout Muhammadans because of the threat of execution that always hangs over their heads. Hence, if the good pastor is waiting for the so-called moderate Muhammadans to speak out to condemn terrorism and to stand with Israel, he will be waiting forever since they don’t exist.

    • fuzzywzhe

      it's propaganda.

      You see, in a conflict you dehumanize the other side.

      This is why during the cold war, the Russians weren't just communists, but godless communists.

  • Lori

    It Is Time To Decide? Those who Bless Israel will Be blessed ,Those who curse Israel will Be cursed.

    • TheLord

      The spaceship is coming for you tonight Lori

  • BS77

    Thanks to Pastor Hagee for his continuing support for Israel.

  • waterwillows

    Pastor Hagee has done a wonderful job of promoting good relations with Israel. His words are both timely and insightful. Bravo to Pastor Hagee.
    Certainly there are some people who are 'trapped' in the web of Islam. But I think for the most part, they are there willingly.
    It is the Lord who knows fully, each and every single being on the planet. He knows all of our thoughts and all of our intents. He is Judge and it will be shown to be so.

  • dawning

    My first response was the same as gfmucci….There is no such thing as radical islam. olemadanjad perfectly represents the true islam. the hate, murder, torture, subjugation is what ISLAM does best.

  • WildJew

    For all the good Pastor Hagee and Christians United For Israel do, I've got to honestly vent my frustration that during the seven (post 9/11) years former President George W. Bush worked to divide Israel, Hagee and CUFI refused to confront Mr. Bush head on over Israel. They refused to issue a formal statement or a resolution warning Bush and the Republicans that God will surely judge America for this betrayal.

    You would think as a pastor, Hagee knows God will visit and probably has visited His judgment on America in the form of Barack Hussein Obama. As a conservative and a Republican this greatly perplexed me, considering Bush was the first American president to make the establishment of a Muslim-enemy state in Israel a "formal goal of US policy."

    I have come to expect this from the radical left but not from the right. Bush / Rove had the Republican party insert — in our national party platform for the first time in the GOP's history — language calling for ethnic cleansing of Jews from our land and for the establishment of a Muslim-terror state in Israel's heartland. The language calling for a Muslim state in Israel remains in the Republican party platform to this day. Where was Pastor Hagee?

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Wild Jew, in my opinion, the Republican Party was hijacked and co-opted by stealth Leftists during both Bush administrations, as both of them, father and son, besides being pro Arab and anti-Israel, were Leftists to the core. For instance, how did GWB react after the 9/11 terrorists attacks? Did he react by condemning multiculturalism and banning and reversing mass Muhammadan immigration, since the 9/11 terrorists attacks were their inevitable results? Did he fire any of the officials that were responsible for the biggest intelligence failure in history? No, GWB reacted like the Leftist he really is, as he massively increased the size, scope, and power of the federal government while promoting those federal officials responsible for dropping the ball on 9/11. Hence, today we are running federal deficits in excess of a trillion dollars annually and we are not any safer than we were before 9/11 because we never addressed the real root causes of the problem, multiculturalism and mass Muhammadan immigration to the West.

      • WildJew

        I agree with you about my party having been hijacked. I don't mind some increase in federal power and spending in time of war — this happened during both world wars — so long as (and this is the crucial point) the power and the spending are directed toward a well-defined enemy; in this case Islam. Bush instead embraced the Wahhabi lobby at all levels of government. He misled the American people about the nature of Islam and worse, he did the bidding of his and his father's Saudi friends. Bush administration helped some 140 Saudi Royals and members of the bin Laden family fly out or the US while FAA prohibited all domestic flights. Bush did this while his fellow countrymen lay in the smouldering ruins of the World Trade Center towers. Treason? Bush covered up Saudi complicity in the 9/11 Muslim-terror atrocities and he bowed to Saudi (the Crown Prince Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz) demands that he declare the US will establish a Muslim-terror state in Israel's heartland. Bush did this only days after the 9/11 murderous attacks in New York and Washington.

      • WildJew

        Even worse, Republicans and conservative activists like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity (even the esteemed David Horowitz) circled the wagons around this very compromised US president. It was a sad spectacle to behold. Is it any wonder Americans are confused about Islam? Is it any wonder Americans elected a Muslim president?

    • QSuzy

      We all have flaws, WildJew. The political positioning of Hagee, Hannity, Rush and other such flawed conservatives bothers me too until I remember that I'm flawed, too. After all, I voted for both W Bush because Gore repulsed me and Obama because I figured he'd get us out of both ridiculous wars, both based on revenge and lies.

      I prefer to think positively about Hagee, that he's grown from his past illogical, conform-at-all costs support for both Bush's.

      (Your friend, Shoshana)

  • http://www.thepoisonersagenda.com Ilana

    I am a Jew. I am an Israeli. I am also a believer in Rabbi Jesus the Messiah and an American. I read Pastor Hagee's speech with tears of thankfulness– on this Thanksgiving Day. G-d bless those who join him in support of Israel– chosen for the sake of His Name, to show His glory throughout the earth. (And if you look at the good done by Israeli doctors, innovators, technological inventors, etc etc– how can you not say this also is a way that the earth is blessed through Israel, and this also is to the glory of His Name?)

    • stern

      sorry ilana, you're a contradiction. YOu are either a Jew or a believer in Jesus as the Messiah. Contrary to what your "rabbis" have taught you, you cannot be both. Like I said, sorry ….

      • highpressure

        Stern,

        So Jews who follow Yeshua..are not really Jews?

        What about 80% of Jews who follow modern day idols? Modern day Baal worshipers who have no faith in the Creator of the universe? Do you take the same hardline?

        Or do you just somehow beleive that your ancestrial ethnicity is somehow extracted because one follows Yeshua? Can you prove this either scientifically or scrptually? Or can I just assume this is pure emotional response based on a form of bigotry?

        For what it's worth Messianic Jews statistically hold a higher allegiance toward Israel than Reform or Conservative Jews for Biblical reasons. Since they are actually observing Hebrew Biblical comcepts at a higher level then the Reform and Conservative Jew … are you going to take the standard you have imposed and call those Reform and Conservative Jews "non Jews"?

        • ziontruth

          highpressure,

          "So Jews who follow Yeshua..are not really Jews?"

          The issue is theology. To believe God came down to this earth as flesh and blood is to assign a partner to God. According to Jewish Law, assigning a partner to God is permissible to non-Jews but not to Jews; HaShem demands non-Jews acknowledge Him, even if in a compromise of monotheism, but He demands absolute, unitarian monotheism of the Jews.

          "What about 80% of Jews who follow modern day idols? Modern day Baal worshipers who have no faith in the Creator of the universe? Do you take the same hardline?"

          I don't know about Stern, but I take the same line. It's the 613 with Unitarian Monotheism and nothing else.

          "Or do you just somehow beleive that your ancestrial ethnicity is somehow extracted because one follows Yeshua?"

          A person born to a Jewish mother is still a Jew even if he practices another religion, or no religion at all, but it's not how things should be.

          "For what it's worth Messianic Jews statistically hold a higher allegiance toward Israel than Reform or Conservative Jews for Biblical reasons."

          It's good that they're pro-Israel, but HaShem still wants them to practice Judaism regardless.

          "are you going to take the standard you have imposed and call those Reform and Conservative Jews 'non Jews'?"

          Reform and Conservative "Judaism" are just forms of capitulation to the Haskalah (Enlightenment); atheism, functionally speaking.

          • highpressure

            Ziontruth,

            I thank you for your time in answering.

            BTW, I sort of got my Hebrew Bible Training from my friend's Dad who was an Orthodox Rabbi in Teaneck when I was a young lad. Then I was a "socalled Christian" in the "socalled Lutheran". I was a heathen in other words. It was only later in life when I did come to the "Messiah" that I really appreciated the training and used it.

            I have many Orthodox friends as well as Messianic friends. I love them both. I noticed one thing about my Orthodox friends – there are as many explanations for Yeshua among them. Some say he was a prophet & some say fraud with as many opinions as there are defibitions for Kosher.

            Probably the acceptance of Jews or Hebrew People from one another and the changes can be seen in the Historic line and splits probably before the Assyrian and Babylonian Captivities. Anyway that is besides the point.

            Again, thank you for your time. Shalom. Most cordial of you.

            HP

    • Stephen_Brady

      Beautiful post, Ilana. Caught in the middle of an old argument, you show the spirit of Christ.

    • ziontruth

      "I am a Jew. I am an Israeli. I am also a believer in Rabbi Jesus the Messiah and an American."

      Thank you for your support of Israel, but I say prayerfully and tearfully: HaShem wants you to come home. The Torah is home. Please, come back home.

  • Samurai Hit Woman

    Good question WildJew. In fact during Bush's presidency I questioned the Right on many of its stances.

    Men that I respect such as Charles Krauthammer and Victor David Hansen at first sounded like parrots echoing Bush's stance on illegal immigration, but later changed their minds.

    Israel should not be divided and is of strategic importance to this country. Christians should not only acknowledge this but insist on its right to exist undivided because their faith demands it.

    For a country deeply in debt, like this one, most foreign aid should stopped. The exception is Israel because of its value to us, if nothing else.

    • WildJew

      Thanks. Actually I do support Israel weaning herself from American aid and dependency. What better time than now when the US is in terrible debt? I believe it would be good for America and it would be good for Israel. I do think however, the US should give Israel our moral support; we should support allies like Israel in the international arena; within international bodies like the United Nations, as bad an organization as it is. I do not understand Bush (a self-professed Christian believer) going down this road toward the division of the land of Israel when clearly God gave this land to the Jews. Why would a Christian do such a thing, unless he or she is a phony Christian like Obama is a phony Christian?

      • Samurai Hit Woman

        Yes, I think there are many phony Christians, most, in fact. Christian in name only much like Rinos plaguing Republicans with believes that are not Republican.

  • USMCSniper

    My Israeli Bros, it is our killer instinct which must be harnessed if we all expect to survive the Muslim Jihadists. Our weapons are only our tools. It is a hard heart that kills. If our killer instincts are not clean and strong we will hesitate at the moment of truth. We will not kill. We will become dead Americans and Israelis, or Dhimmis at best if we survive. And for those that survive, they will be in a new Dark Age under the mindless. So Muck the Fuzzlims, and kill 'em all, and let Allah sort 'em out!!

  • Kim Segar

    (Part 1/2)
    It is a wonderful true speech. and those who say, where was Hagge, it should be said where were you? The church has fallen from the truth. G-d told us the end from the beginning. but the churches have thrown the Old T away. the whole bible is more up to date than the lying media. scripture says..it is better to believe in what G-d says than man. It doesn't matter what anyone says or thinks or feels. all that matters is what G-d has said !! In the beginning Genesis 12:3 G-d tells us,,I will bless the ones who bless Israel and those who don't are cursed. even the ones who don't have an attitude are cursed if they do not bless Israel. anyone who goes to a church that doesn't bless and pray for the peace of Jerusalem Psalms 122, that boycott and every rotten thing agaisnt G-d chosen is CURSED ! G-d said..like it or not. Now I hear Catholic leaders say they are no longer the Chosen people..is he calling G-d a liar or taking away or adding to G-d 's word? (continue on next reply)

    • WildJew

      You wrote: "…..and those who say, where was Hagge, it should be said where were you?"

      Are you addressing me?

      If not, I will not explain where I was and still am vis-a-vis George W. Bush and Pastor Hagee.

      • highpressure

        He was the first nationally known Pastor to honor Israel on an organized basis. It was right after Israel’s attack on Hussein’s Nuke facility. And that was a time no one would even want to publically stick their head out and support Israel. Most of the Jews in this country were afraid to tie itself to Israel.

        Hagee’s support for Israel even freaked out the Rabbi’s in San Antonio. He has his death threats.

        You love making innuendo. Explain yourself cogently for once. And please, no unproven theories again.

  • Kim Segar

    (Part 2/2)
    G-d says those who do that are cursed too. no one dot or tittle can be changed. all threw scripture it tells us the new covenant of land and of Redemptio for Israel, like it or not ! In Romans it tells us we received Salvation thre the Jews and soon as the Church is gone.HIS eyes will go back to Israel.. and tells us also all Israel will be saved. Notice the word UNTIL the time of the gentiles is over. People need to find out who G-d is talking to all thru scripture, the wolves are in the churches and we are to come out of them !! G-d bless you Pastor Hagee and all those who stand with Israel. those who think G-d is a Covenant breaker especailly when He made a EVERLASTING Covenant with HER..then I ask, why do you believe He won't break the Salvation Covenant with you. Hello…only G-d's word is truth !

  • gfmucci

    Hagee's failure (and the failure of others who should know better) to declare Islam, not just radical Islam, as the source of supremacist, fascist actions feeds ignorant politicians like George Bush, who on the day after 9-11 declared that Islam is a religion of peace and should not be blamed for the attack. Half-truths about Islam (e.g. "it is only the radicals" or "it is only the militants" who are the problem) will only result in failure to identify the enemy (the ideological source of the attacks), wasted resources, wasted lives, continuing infiltration and subversion, and likely collapse from within.

  • btilly

    Muslims will never stop. Muhammad made the MUslims promise to allow only Islam in Arabia before he died. There was no last sermon, as Muhammad died in the bed of his 3rd baby wife. He married her at age 6 and he died when she was 18. He then made a rule that none of his wives could ever get married after his death. He had many wives and slaves and concubines all young and no children-amazing.____Israel represent a failure to Muslims as Muhammad hated Jews and had the Muslims see Jews and Christians as napes and pigs, as Muhammad believed in the occult. Allah, the god with no name, All of us can now be Jews, spiritual Jews via the sacrifice of Jesus. Adminejad is a genetic jew named sajourjian. Paul was a Jew who followed Jesus and left Judaism and became a Christian according to Galatians 1:18. Jews have as much a right to Israel as Arabs have Mecca. Arab Muslims stole Medina from Jews, and now they want Israel when David and Solomon were kings of Israel when Arabs traded with them. There was no mosque until the Muslims built it in the 7th century. the main thing about Islam is allah the god with no name, is really Satan the Devil. Suran3:54. Deceitful liar is his way of life.

  • Fred

    Great speech by Pastor John Hagee. God bless you Pastor and bless Israel.

  • http://www.mysapce.com/freddawes1776/ Fred Dawes

    If the jews are murdered we all are next, its real and the evil is coming this way.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    I see that George Bush the junior is a torn man, I think he has a Christian
    belief, but he is a one worlder like his father and that is the fly in the soup.
    George misdirected the menace of Islam to America and minimized the
    scope of the problem facing America and our future. George gave us
    Obama and sunk the Republican Party who along with the Democrats
    have been working towards the One World Government. John Hagee speaks
    for me and he is not to blame for the Bush Administration and could not
    turn Bush aside from his aims. Hagee decided on a pro-Israeli position
    and went straight for the aid Israel needed avoiding Washington which he
    has scorned for years and all would know this if they listened to his programs.
    However, today and tomorrow I as a Christian stand with Hagee and the
    millions of Christians and Jews who support Israel and condemn Islam.
    It is about right versus wrong, good over evil and humility before God and
    His Word with and act of willful determination, I am and Israeli………..William

  • Lightning Jack

    If the Palestinians had actually desired a chance for peace and the establishment of a viable autonomous state then they could have had all this and more had their PLO accepted the conditions of the Clinton sponsored 2001 Dayton Accords.

    Under Dayton, Israel's then Barak government offered Yassir Arafat and the Palestinians 95 percent of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, three quarters of East Jerusalem, including the Jordan Valley, and support for Palestinian statehood in exchange for peace. A rather generous offer considering that Arab's control 99.9 percent of all Middle Eastern land.

    But Arafat and his PLO choose instead to walk away from Dayton ending the best chance for peace and future statehood that the Palestinians will ever see, thereby deciding instead to continue their bloody, pointless intifada.

    It should be quite evident that Israels situation in the Middle East has nothing to do with Palestinian autonomy, civil rights, or even statehood for that matter, because Israel is fully aware that no matter how much land it cedes or concessions it makes, it will never be enough.

    This entire bloody charade has nothing to do with land for peace, much less anyone's right to exist, nor someone's statehood, but everything to do about Arab pride, envy and covetousness, and finally… driving or exterminating all remnants of Western Civilization and Judaism from Middle Eastern lands. And that's the name of that tune!

  • Noel

    I feel sorry for This Pastor he has led his flock astray and will be lost forever. Gods love is for all not for just a few that hijack the Bible and try to break the truth down to you. which shell is salvation under? I'm not a betting man when it comes to salvation. Please take your game out of the Church and go with the rest of the Money Changers.

  • highpressure

    To the person who removed my posts:

    Is there a reason they were removed, particularly my responses to Mr Aleer? Or is Mr Aleer allowed to go unchallenged with his dangerous "harold Camping type" allegorical diatribes?

    I think you know I can factually back up what I said in those posts.

    You have my email. I would appreciate a response as a matter of courtesy. I know you don't have to – it isn't a right. But it would be nice to know if I am to participate in this forum. Thank you.

    cordially,
    HP

    • highpressure

      Moderator, thank you for the restoration. I am humbled.

    • bob maram

      while i do notagree with you i do believe that you certainly have the right to express your beliefs and that this forum should allow freedom of expression. i am a strong believer in israel and an observent jew. bob maram

  • BUTSeriously

    Is there anything more exposing than:

    Calling the illegal corruption of the Balfour Mandate as a 2-state *COMPROMOSE* – carving off 80% from a tiny land one cannot see on the map is a compromise? Is Eurostan happening?

    Re-dumping the name PALESTENIANS from Jews to those openly panting for another holocaust – does one have to be a rocket scientist? Is the Pope laughing when no one's looking?

    Accouning another state in what's left as a 2-state again – good math? When a host of illegal, non-historical states were creared for 30 barrels of oil?

    Dear EU, UN and Islamic league – at least the Nazis were honest about it. or do you believe in the Lord and Allah 'subject to Jews not still existing'? You poor pathetic things!

  • Bertah

    Yea, that's right !
    Long live christian-jewish-israeli friendship against antiisraeli surrogat theology ( like in last vatican-synode's "kairos-palaestina-document") and antizionism and european feed jehad !
    Do you know jet the scrpts from aegyptian Christian Bat Ye'or about ( bad ) relationship from Europa to ISRAEL ?
    -> w.Der euro-arab Dialogue & the birth of Eurabia" oder "Die anti-israelische Politik Europas wird sein Untergang sein" ?!
    ( see also w.TellTheChildrenTheTruth.co & aval31.free.fr, w.The Big Lie and the Mediawar against ISRAEL;…", "BLACKBOOK of the KGB 2" about developement of nazi- and KGB-islamfascism !!)

  • muchiboy

    "I came here tonight to speak about Christians United for Israel, and the millions of evangelicals in America who have a deep, faith-based belief, to love Israel, to speak up for Israel, to stand up for Israel;"

    Faith based says it all.Nothing about injustice,immoralities,the suffering of the Palestinians.Nothing about the crimes against humanity or the Palestinians.Nothing about the evils of Zionism.Just faith based.Muchiboy

    • ziontruth

      You have a gold medal in that defintion of "faith-based", Muftiboy; you, who wish for the Islamonazis of Hamas to be as well-armed as the Israeli Army; you, who have not a word to say about the genocidal intentions of the Arab imperialists with regard to the Jews; you, who have nothing to speak of evils of Arab imperialism, a.k.a. Islam.

      • Spirit_Of_1683

        Naziboy won't be happy until the last living Jew has been marched into the showers and a couple of dozen cans of Zyklon thrown in.

        • muchiboy

          “Naziboy won’t be happy until the last living Jew has been marched into the showers and a couple of dozen cans of Zyklon thrown in.”

          No.After you,they’d come for me and mine.That’s why we must oppose evil where ever it exists.In the case of Israel,I oppose her crimes against humanity and the Palestinians.And I would sooner march with Jews into the showers then goose step with the Nazis.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      Of course, the neo-Nazi couldn't resist bashing the Jews. The Palestinians create their own suffering. Zionism is not Evil and Israel has never committed any crimes against the Palestinians or anyone else for that matter. You just don't get it do you?

  • moshav

    All of us need to hear the Hagee message and to spread the word. We are dealing with an unprecedented evil founded by the pedophile mohamad, advanced by violence and intimidation, supported by saudi and iranian oil revenues, and determined to utterly destroy western civilization. We should not underestimate the brutality of islam nor submit to it. sharia law must be banned and immigration must be controlled and carefully monitored. National security and the future of democracy take precedence over hysterical nonsense such as political correctness.

  • muchiboy

    "You have a gold medal in that defintion of "faith-based", Muftiboy; you, who wish for the Islamonazis of Hamas to be as well-armed as the Israeli Army;"

    The IDF has been used as an effective and efficient tool by Israel to enforce the Zionist policies of oppression,ethnic cleansing and other human rights violations against the Palestinian people.Perhaps an equally capable Hamas would be no better.But Israel may think twice before acting against the Palestinians.Can't say.

    " you, who have not a word to say about the genocidal intentions of the Arab imperialists with regard to the Jews;"

    Not my place nor cause.There are plenty of voices expressing that sentiment.I argue for the Palestinian cause.As to your accusations of Arab intentions,if and where they exist I believe them more rhetorical then actual, though Jewish actions in the name of Zionism and against Palestinian interests is unconscionable, condemnable and partially to blame.

    " you, who have nothing to speak of evils of Arab imperialism, a.k.a. Islam"

    I don't equate Arab imperialism with Islam.An argument could easily be made equating Judaism,Zionism and Jewish imperialism.

    And sure,men and man commit evil acts.My religion would say we are all borne with original sin.You can and too frequently do point the finger at Arab and Muslim sins and evils.At times that is deserved and I would agree.But I don't ignore the sins and evils committed against the Palestinian people by your own people.I say again,we are all more alike then different.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "The IDF has been used as an effective and efficient tool by Israel to enforce the Zionist policies of oppression,ethnic cleansing and other human rights violations against the Palestinian people."

      You are a liar Ron Grant, Israel has never oppressed, ethnically cleansed or violated the human rights of the Palestinians. The Palestinians however have been more than happy to use their children as human shields, fire rockets at Israeli kindergartens and daycares and murder Israeli children in cold blood – all human rights violations.

      "Perhaps an equally capable Hamas would be no better.But Israel may think twice before acting against the Palestinians.Can't say."

      What do you mean you can't say? Hamas uses every possible resource now to kill Jews. The Hamas Charter states that its objective is the WORLDWIDE extermination of the Jews. If they had weapons it would be genocide. Support of Hamas is blatant support for Nazism. Better practice your goose step eh Ron Grant?

    • MixMChess

      "Not my place nor cause."

      Of course not, because you don't care about a fair treatment of the conflict, you just want to condemn Jews to fulfill your own deep-seated antisemitism. You are intellectually dishonest and willfully ignore the disgusting and murderous actions of the Palestinians.

      "I argue for the Palestinian cause."

      Fine, then how come you won't condemn Jordan for occupying Palestinian land? Why won't you condemn Syria for human rights abuses against the Palestinians? Why won't you condemn Jordan for Black September?

      "As to your accusations of Arab intentions,if and where they exist I believe them more rhetorical then actual,"

      Are you seriously that stupid? What was 1948, 1967, 1973, 1988, 1993, 2000? The Arab and Palestinian intentions are very clear – genocide of the Jews. Hamas states it in its charter. And they act upon it, just look at the countless murders, terrorism and suicide bombings committed against Israel by the bloodthirsty Palestinians!

      "though Jewish actions in the name of Zionism and against Palestinian interests is unconscionable, condemnable and partially to blame."

      Nonsense, Palestinian terrorism and murder existed well before Israel was a country. Still, Israel and Zionism only offered peace, partnership and opportunity to the Palestinians. Why is it that Israelis are willing to make peace but Palestinians are only willing to murder Jews?

    • MixMChess

      "But I don't ignore the sins and evils committed against the Palestinian people by your own people."

      Excuse you, my people (Israelis, the West, Zionists, Christians, Jews) have never committed sins or evils against the Palestinians. How dare you try to accuse "my people" of sins. The Ron Grants of the world are the only immoral and disgusting sinners.

      "I say again,we are all more alike then different."

      No, we are more different… you are a Nazi and I am not. You promote hate and I promote peace. You are immoral and I am not. And most importantly you are a liar Ron Grant whereas I only speak the truth.

      • muchiboy

        “If they had weapons it would be genocide.”

        You have only yourselves to blame for Hamas,MixMChess,though the corrupt and ineffective PLO played it’s part.

        “Better practice your goose step eh Ron Grant? ”

        If it comes to that,MixMChess,you have my and hopefully my families permission to shoot me.But it is Israel,with the power of state and military,that plays the role of a goose stepping oppressor of the Palestinian people. It was the Jewish Diaspora who occupied Palestine making the Palestinians the true victims.And Palestinians do acknowledge the Jews as victims,too, when they refer to themselves as “the victims of victims”.I would say those are good people,people you could live with.Muchiboy

    • ziontruth

      "The IDF has been used as an effective and efficient tool by Israel to enforce the Zionist policies of oppression,ethnic cleansing and other human rights violations against the Palestinian people."

      The IDF has been used as an effective and efficient (thank God) tool by Israel to defend the Jewish State against the Arab imperialist agenda of oppression, ethnic cleansing and other human rights violations against the Jewish people.

      "Not my place nor cause.There are plenty of voices expressing that sentiment.I argue for the Palestinian cause."

      Then you're a dupe. The bitter, harsh truth is this: the "Palestinian" cause is nothing but a marketing facade for the Arab imperialist cause.

      "As to your accusations of Arab intentions,if and where they exist I believe them more rhetorical then actual,"

      Yes, the same thing people said about Mein Kampf when it came out.

      "I don't equate Arab imperialism with Islam."

      Then, again, you're a dupe. Islam is Arab imperialism. All people who embrace Islam forget their ancestral culture and bow their heads to the Arabian desert, both physically and mentally.

      "An argument could easily be made equating Judaism,Zionism and Jewish imperialism. "

      Nope, it could not. Imperialism is the desire to acquire lands beyond your indigenous mandate. Zionism has the non-imperialist goal of acquiring lands only within the Jewish indigenous mandate. Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Transjordan, but not Iraq or Egypt.

  • muchiboy

    "Zionism has the non-imperialist goal of acquiring lands only within the Jewish indigenous mandate. Judea, Samaria, Gaza, Transjordan,"

    Take it all,then,but share it with the other people of Palestine.You already share it ,ziontruth, 20% of Israelis are Arab.Muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      Israel exists on less than 17% of the historic land of Israel and the Jewish National Home. Arabs control the rest of Jewish birthright land. The Jews already share what little land they have left. Perhaps instead the Arabs should share share stolen "Jewish" land with the Jews?

    • ziontruth

      "Take it all,then,but share it with the other people of Palestine."

      Share, as in having a multinational/multicultural state? No thanks. Here are a few reasons:

      1) It has never worked, not even where people keep it at the level of inward resentment and civilized contempt, as in Belgium, where the Flemians and the Walloons can hardly stand each other. And Belgium is the best case, the most benign manifestation of the failure of having ethnicities or cultures share the same political framework.

      2) There is no point in having a state unless it gives political rights exclusively to its nation. The state is to be its nation's castle, otherwise it can hardly be called a state; it would be like a boarding-school, only on a higher level. There is no obligation for any nation to help those of other nations by making their country a dumping-ground for them. Charity begins at home, and a person's duty is charity toward his family first, then his townspeople, then his fellow nationals–and nothing beyond that.

      3) The Arab nation already has 22 states; Zionism would therefore not go anywhere near making the Arab nation stateless.

      "You already share it ,ziontruth, 20% of Israelis are Arab."

      A seditious minority that's only become more and more brazen in its seditious activities with each passing day (example: Haneen Zoabi, Arab Knesset Member who took part in the pro-Hamas terrorism flotilla).

      The Arabs of pre-1967 Israel are not loyal to Israel, nor should they be expected to be. A nation cannot be expected to trade its pride, even for conditions that are far better, materially and even politically speaking, than in their own Arab nation-states. Therefore, for the sake of both Jew and Arab in Israel, this sharing will stop.

      Multiculturalism, like Communism, has been tried and tried and tried, and found to fail every time. Fortunate is the one who can learn from the experience of others and thus avoid repeating such mistakes. I believe in the right of all nations to a state politically exclusive to their members; a Jewish state exclusive to the Jews just like, say, a Thai state exclusive to the Thais. That could go a long way preventing needless strife and suffering, caused by empty theory.

  • Samurai Hit Woman

    The Old Testament, or old covenant, predicts, " Behold I will lay in Zion a stumbling stone, a rock of offense…"

    Since Jesus is often referred to as a rock then this is a figurative reference to Him.

  • muchiboy

    Firstly,Happy Hanukkah!

    “Share, as in having a multinational/multicultural state? No thanks. Here are a few reasons:

    1) It has never worked,”

    That’s not true,ziontruth.America,Canada,the EU,South Africa for now anyway,Singapore,Brazil and India are but a few examples where very different races,languages,religions,cultures share a country.Sure,very different histories,conflicts,and challenges,but the societies work,more or less,doing what societies are supposed to do.And the future of humanity with the pressures of a global economy,global warming, refugees and migrations point to even more global mixing.Even the Japanese,who seem to be racist,may need to depend on immigration because of low birth rates.

    ” There is no point in having a state unless it gives political rights exclusively to its nation.”

    More then ever before we live in a global village.There are no national boundaries when it comes to air and water pollution,global warming,etc.Even the idea of a Jewish nation is somewhat of a myth.Go to Sweden and you find Nordic Jews,go to Scotland and you find Celtic Jews,etc.

    “The Arab nation already has 22 states; Zionism would therefore not go anywhere near making the Arab nation stateless. ”

    I would argue your above justification for a Jewish state given the harm to the Palestinian people.

    ” A seditious minority that’s only become more and more brazen”

    Looks who’s calling the kettle black,ziontruth!I would argue the Jews are a seditious majority instead.And talk about brazen.Don’t get me started.

    ” Multiculturalism, like Communism, has been tried and tried and tried, and found to fail every time.”

    There are many examples of successful multicultural societies.See above.And remember the Ant and the Rubber Tree plant.Muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "America should not pressure Israel to give up more land."

    One of the most uncharitable,unchristian positions I have heard.Such sentiments are to contemporary Christianity as the Islamic Fundamentalist position is to modern day Islam as practiced by sane,moderate Muslims.These ultra right faith based/biased cults belong to the Dark Ages.They are typical of the mindless ,harsh and sometimes cruel sects who would deny a raped girl an abortion.It is fitting that they would ally and align themselves with the Zionists.Birds of a feather.

    "What the Jewish people do with the city of Jerusalem is the business of the Jewish people, not the United States of America."

    Excuse me! What the Jewish people do with the city of Jerusalem is very much the business of the Palestinian people.Muchiboy

    • muchiboy

      .They are typical of the mindless ,harsh and sometimes cruel sects who would deny a raped girl an abortion.”

      To my shame I would have to include my Catholic church as an institution that would deny girls or women the choice of an abortion when conception is the result of violence or abuse.Muchiboy

    • ziontruth

      "What the Jewish people do with the city of Jerusalem is very much the business of the Palestinian people."

      I agree, because Jewish people = Palestinian people.

      • muchiboy

        "I agree, because Jewish people = Palestinian people."

        Palestinian cousins + Jewish cousins = Palestinian people.Hey,cuz.muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "What the Jewish people do with the city of Jerusalem is very much the business of the Palestinian people."

      No, Jerusalem has always maintained a Jewish majority in its thousands of years history. Jerusalem is and always has been a Jewish City. What the Jews do with the city is not the business of the Arabs or the so-called Palestinians. Similarly it is not the Jews business what the Arabs and Palestinians do with their birthright holy city of Mecca.

  • ziontruth

    Muchiboy,

    "That’s not true,ziontruth.America,Canada,the EU,South Africa for now anyway,Singapore,Brazil and India are but a few examples where very different races,languages,religions,cultures share a country."

    All your successful examples so far (America, Singapore) are of multiracial societies, which, with some supraracial ideal binding the populace and extra care not to let the Marxists foul things up with their strategy of "divide and conquer," can work, and I've never hinted otherwise. In fact, the Jewish nation is a multiracial one (contra one of your points below).

    The EU and South Africa are not successful examples at all. The EU is a multicultural sinkhole, riven by Islamic colonialism, as well as general Political Correctness that turns the indigenous into a subclass caste on their own lands. Post-apartheid South Africa worked for some time, until there came the Black Marxists and decided revenge was better than coexistence (cf. Obama's "Republicans gotta sit in the back.")

    "And the future of humanity with the pressures of a global economy,global warming, refugees and migrations point to even more global mixing."

    Nope, the problems are humanity are best solved locally. Hayek was right: Taking solutions to a higher level than necessary only leads to tyranny.

    "More then ever before we live in a global village."

    I don't. I'm a local with local concerns. No human being can be expected to care (truly care) about what goes on the other side of the globe. It's simply impossible.

    "Even the idea of a Jewish nation is somewhat of a myth.Go to Sweden and you find Nordic Jews,go to Scotland and you find Celtic Jews,etc."

    The Jewish nation is not defined by racial characteristics. A lot of nations are, but the Jewish nation is one that isn't.

    "I would argue your above justification for a Jewish state given the harm to the Palestinian people."

    Jews = Palestinian people. Your "Palestinians" = Arabs, part of the Arab nation, which already has 22 states.

    "I would argue the Jews are a seditious majority instead."

    Impossible by definition. Jews are the indigenous of Palestine, and Israel is their rightful state. Sedition here could be only against the Jews and their state.