Cracks in the Islamist Curtain


Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Nonie Darwish, the co-founder of and the author of Cruel and Usual Punishment.


FP: Nonie Darwish, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

I would like to talk to you today a bit about the Muslim voices for change that are increasing through the Islamic world. There is an unprecedented defiance taking place behind the Islamic Curtain.

Can you tell us what is transpiring?

Darwish: As you know, Jamie, I lived for 30 years in the cocoon of the Muslim world and I can see a huge change going on inside the Muslim world. More and more people are challenging the status quo.

After 9/11 and with constant recurring explosive Islamic terrorism, it has become harder for the Muslim establishment to keep the lid on Muslims questioning their system, religion and holy wars. Criticism of Islam is coming at them from every direction, putting Muslim clerics in a quagmire unable to honestly answer questions. Muslim scholars were never trained to answer questions critical of Islam or engage in hostile debate. But now, suddenly, they are challenged to the core like never before, not by Western critics, but by brave hosts of Arabic language shows from unidentified locations in the West and hosted by former Muslims and/or Egyptian Christian Copts.

Father Zakareya Botros rocks the Arab world with his show “Howard Al Hak” or “Honest Debate” when callers from various parts of the Muslim world call in renouncing Islam. Former Muslim turned Christian, Rachid Hmami, originally from Morocco, has a popular show “Fil Samim”, or “from the core”. Hmami, who is the son of a Muslim cleric, is eloquent, respectful with a calm and peaceful demeanor — a characteristic in sharp contrast to the angry loud and cursing image of many Muslim clerics.

The Muslim leadership is suddenly under a lot of pressure to answer taboo questions rarely ever asked before; taboo topics such as questioning the validity of the Qur’an, the life and marriage of Mohammad, his violent wars and assassinations, the fact that there is no minimum age for marriage of women in Islam and about ridiculous Fatwas regarding breast feeding of adult males by Muslim women and Muhammad’s urine as a cure. Muslim callers to these Arabic shows have proved beyond doubt how many Muslims have no clue as to what is written in their scriptures and religious laws.

Many Muslims are demanding answers from their religious leaders and for them to vigorously defend such criticism of Islam. However, not one Muslim cleric has answered the questions on people’s minds. Their response is more yelling, threatening, hate speech, paranoid accusations and propaganda of misinformation. This led Hmami and Father Zakaria, for instance, to personally challenge Muslim leaders to a debate. A well-known Muslim cleric was exposed to have lied when he accepted the challenge to debate on TV, but privately, on recorded phone call with Hmami, the Muslim cleric was evasive, lied and declined the invitation to the debate, giving ridiculous excuses.

FP: Where do we stand with the apostate issue?

Darwish: For the first time in Egyptian Islamic history, a number of apostates have come out publicly demanding their right choose to leave Islam and practice Christianity. Their demand was legally rejected and fatwas of death issued against them. Maher al-Gohari, Mohammed Higazi, and prominent feminist attorney Naglaa Al Imam, are among a few courageous ones. From the number of callers to the shows who claim they left Islam, I believe the number of apostates inside the Muslim world to be significant but are mostly silent. The main power of Islam and its clerics lie in the Muslim death sentence for apostasy and blasphemy. A number of apostates living in the West have greatly impacted the Muslim world. Among those are Wafa Sultan, the Italian/Egyptian Magdi Allam who was baptized by the Pope, Ibn Warraq and myself, and many others such as several former graduates of the Islamic Al Azhar University living today in the West.

I have received a recently released Arabic poem claimed to have been written by Taha Hussein, the prominent Egyptian father of Arabic literature 1889-1973. The highly intellectual and well written poem is extremely critical of the God of Islam and admits the apostasy of its writer. Hussein was once prosecuted with the accusation of insulting Islam. Challenges to Islam are coming from intellectuals, artists and journalists across the Muslim world, such as the Egyptian Sayed El Qemany; they must walk a fine line lest they get accused of apostasy or blasphemy.

While this trend challenging Islam is significant when compared to recent history, we must caution from being over optimistic for a reformation in Islam since the new trend is still in its infancy and has not yet established itself legitimately to become part of the mainstream. The reaction to such a challenge is intense and often violently lashing out in the form of acts of threat and terror. Some Muslim people of influence have admitted recently that terrorism is a Muslim commandment. On January of 2006, a member of Egyptian Parliament, “Ragab Hilal Hamida’, said from the floor of the Egyptian Parliament that “the Quran directly commands us to commit terrorism, so why are we afraid of it?”

What is without denial is that Islam today is in turmoil and going through growing pains, tearing Muslim society apart. My fear is that while Islam is in the process of finding itself it might bring down others with it.

FP: While you caution over-optimism, what effects do you think this defiance might have? What are the possibilities?

Darwish: Such defiance to bring about much needed change in the Muslim world will, hopefully, bring its intended goals of respect for human rights, women’s rights, democracy and the end of Islamic violent jihad and the hate-filled educational system against non-Muslims. But before we celebrate the beginning of the trend towards Islamic reformation, we must realize how huge the magnitude of such change will be. It will take decades if not more. The outcome is not guaranteed, and it will come at a heavy price in violence, civil unrest, oil embargoes, and sadly with lots of innocent victims both inside the Muslim world and also in the West. And I mean this in the context of terror attacks.

Some view Islamic terrorism as a sign of power, which in many aspects it is, but it is also a sign of a desperate culture trying to shut off the shining light of freedom in the world surrounding it.

The reason for such a grim process is because 1.2 billion Muslims  around the world are starting to wake up bit by bit to realize that they have been spoonfed total lies and fabrications for centuries about their own religion as well as the world outside of Islam. The greatest taqiyya (holy lie), and perhaps one of the greatest in history, is the one perpetrated on the average Muslim man and woman by their religious leaders, the men of Allah they are supposed to trust. Such an awakening will result in gradual but steady violence – which is already starting to bubble up in many Muslim countries.

The nations affected by the Islamic crisis will not only be Muslim, but also Western nations which took huge numbers of Muslim immigrants. Israel and the West, as usual, will be blamed for Muslim internal civil unrest and thus will suffer from terror attempts and shooting at them as a means to end Muslim internal civil unrest.  Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two nations that produced the 9/11 terrorist, are already under internal threat and violence coming from terror groups such as ‘Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula’ and ‘the Muslim Brotherhood’ who cannot wait to destroy the regimes in both nations.

I am worried about what will happen in the coming decades to the world while Islam is undergoing possible reform and change. The Muslim world right now is a disaster waiting to happen. They are living above a volcano that can explode any time. The status quo in Muslim countries cannot continue and Muslims are discovering they have been in massive tyranny and terror for 1400 years. Muslims are leaving Islam in large numbers and more will leave if the apostasy death penalty is lifted. Tyranny cannot last for ever, not even under Sharia Law.

Where this trend will take Islam is unpredictable, but change is certain. It can take the Muslim world to a great reformation but it can also take them and the rest of the world to a horrible confrontation and a period of decline and downfall. Islam, like communism, will probably never disappear, but eventually if Islam does not reform, it will be discredited as a religion.

FP: What can Westerners do to help inflict cracks into the Islamic Curtain?

Darwish: The first thing is get out of the way when Islam is about to explode, and it will. Muslim countries need not be rescued and they need to fall on their own and grow on their own. Do not try to help or hurt if a civil war happens in Saudi Arabia or Egypt. If we cannot have oil for a while, then let it be. When we try to help a Muslim country from self -destruction, due to Muslim on Muslim atrocities, like what happened to Kuwait by Iraq, we take away their ability to recognize their internal issues, see their true enemies and why they are in trouble.

The West must realize that it is not doing itself or the Muslim world a favor by political correctness — which actually has a negative effect on Muslims trying to reform their system. Western PC is telling them we just love you the way you are, terrorism, hate speech, good and bad, we still love you. The West must demand reciprocity and equal treatment from Muslim countries. If they build mosques in the US then we must have the right to build a Church in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. By accepting a one way cultural impact from Islam, we are welcoming a disaster waiting to happen.

Western governments so far have been ignoring Muslim critics and reformers who fully understand the problem and have been only strictly dealing with Muslim groups, such as CAIR and others whose goals are in fact as Islamist as the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas. It is time for Western officials to give respect to Muslim critics, reformists and former Muslims.

And finally, Western victims of Islamic terror need to file a huge class action suit against Saudi Arabia and all countries that produced terrorists who are the product of their hateful jihadist educational system. They cannot claim innocence.

FP: What are your primary concerns today? What is on your mind and what worries you the most in terms of the topic we are discussing here today?

Darwish: My fear concerns the safety and security of America and Western democracy. This threat is real and we must never underestimate it. While Muslim/Arab countries are undergoing major change, internal civil unrest and violence, there will be horrific acts of violence against Israel and Western nations in the near future. Remember in the Gulf war when Saddam was desperate, he started shooting at Israel. The same thing happened in Gaza when Hamas and Fatah were fighting; they also started shooting at Israel. When Israel shoots back for self protection, that is when Muslims end their massacres between themselves

I am also concerned about the many innocent beautiful people of the Middle East — who are after all my people. The violence has already started there and I fear for the Christian minorities as well.

FP: Nonie Darwish, thank you for joining us. Thank you for being such a courageous and noble freedom fighter.


    Now the story of “ALI BAAAA BAAAA” is in perspective.

  • Tanstaafl JW

    Ms. Darwish speaks "truth to power". Shouldn't she be an advisor to our President? Oh, that's right, the appointment of an apostate would "offend" Muslims worldwide. It is ironic that Obamahdi is sensitive to our enemies and insensitive to our safety.

    • Guest

      Obama has had no problem trying to shove his agendas down the throats of the Israelis and fortunately, they told him where to stuff it. This former ally has only some 6% of the entire population who now have any trust of him. Which show some damned good intelligence. Obama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, he refused to wear an American flag lapel pin (as if it automatically meant something jingoistic) and has never used the two words Muslim and Terrorist in the same sentence. He has not placed a SINGLE DEMAND upon any Arab nation/regime. Not one. Not even the cessation of terror. Worse, he dropped the idea of sanctions with Iran and from what I can see, is perfectly willing to give Iran the green light to continue racing to their nuclear Jihad bomb. Could this guy be a Trojan Horse? I see him as the most dangerous threat to Western security. Stay tuned for an Islamist radiological bomb to go off in America in the not too distant future.

  • Debby


    Excellent interview! I can always count on you to offer information that gets me thinking something new and different on a familiar subject. I enjoy hearing from people like Nonnie Darwish who speak from experience and can give a perspective on what is happening with Muslims other than the crazy jihadists. Please continue to update us on the direction this movement takes.

  • JosephWiess

    This article just proves why true education is so important. When people are educated, they start asking questions, and when those questions can't be answered, they lead to suspicion of the subject. When muslims start questioning the Quran, then they realize that they are living in a cult and want out.

    Keep learning people. Freedom is at hand.

    • xman

      And when Musims learn about nuclear physics ……….. errrrrmmmmm

      • JosephWiess

        They already do. Why do you think that they attend universities in the States and Europe? It's not for the frat parties, yanno.
        Iran has the nuke program, and just needs to finish it to launch a bomb.

        • xman

          I know they already do. Every possible subject that can be used to harm us is on their study list, whether its nuclear physics, chemistry, biochemistry, engineering studies, computing or whatever. They're always one step ahead and we're continually playing catchup.

  • logdon

    Tanstaffl JW

    An interesting question would be, Obama was brought up as a Muslim. He, purportedly is now not a Muslim, therefore an apostate. In which case, why the joyous rapture in the ME and the welcome in apostate hell, namely Saudi?

    Is he still a Muslim? Does that explain the grovelling hogwash in Cairo, his refusal to name Nidal a jihadi and the constant banging on about Islam, the great faith?

    Who knows? If I apply for a passport or fill in a Census form a penalty is applied for withholding information. As far as I am aware Obama has done precisely that and he is President of the most powerful country in the World.

    I know 'birthers' are regarded in some circles as moonbat, retard window lickers but why?

    Why doesn't he produce a real birth certificate, educational records and all the other stuff he's spent thousands on denial of access? Our gov here in Britain goes on about 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear'. If its ok for us oiks why not Mr Potus?

  • eerie Steve

    I hate to say this but doesn't this scare anyone else out there? We are not talking about cave dwellers here. We are talking about friggin A.Q. Khan. In any war, it is the martyrs who die first.

    If anything, I would like to see Obama give W. the medal Bush gave Muhammed Ali. You know what beats a two headed monster in boxing? A three headed monster. We have broken the body of Islam. How soon will it be when the Detroit Moslems say it is time to eat the head?

    Back off. Glorious acheivements do not start with the deaths of societies but the begining. There's bad blood between those tribes and one man's revolution is another's tribal free for all.

    • davarino

      Oh so lets keep the jihadi action going, we wouldnt want a false religion to die on the vine, right?

      Steve you are very eerie

    • Tryon

      "We are not talking about cave dwellers here." Could have fooled me, Steve. Last I heard Osama was in fact living in a cave. May he rot there forever with every other beastly vestige of the "religion of peace!"

  • David Carl

    I have read enough articles and books on Islam and Ms. Darwish is very correct in her views. Islam by its nature is warlike because it was founded on war. There is no thing as real tolerance. Dhimmitude is not tolerance, for all those idiots who want to prattle on how Jews and Christians all got along in Muslim Spain (and during some periods of the Ottoman period) singing Kumbaya. Not every Muslim wants to hang a Christian from a tree, but that doesn't mean he sees them as equal.

    • Godfrey deBouillon

      How right you are, David. I hate to say this, but I actually wonder if Ann Coulter (FLAY ME ALIVE!!) might not be right. That's why I call myself Godfrey deBouillon; that's how fed up I am with both violent and stealthy war against us! Not to mention with all the Chamberlains abetting our enemy!

  • Alex Kovnat

    As an engineer, my biggest worry regarding the possibility of civil war in Saudi Arabia or other oil-producing countries, is the possibility of fanatics blowing up oil wells and destroying billons of barrels of oil.

    I know and respect the fact that Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Libya, etc don't owe us Americans cheap oil. Its their oil, and they can sell it for as high a price as they like. But especially with all the concern about carbon dioxide buildup in our atmosphere, I am horrified at the thought of fanatics belonging to any faction blowing up oil wells. This by the way, happened in Kuwait when Saddam's forces withdrew in early 1991

  • xman

    As for the US, the answer is easy. Drill in Alaska. The polar bears aren't endangered. Not only that, we wouldn't be financing the Jihad against us.

    • davarino

      Amen brother. Then what would the middle eastern countries have to sell, sand? I would pay $10 a gallon for gas if it would bring the middle east to their knees. Its funny how they have had all this money come to their countries because of oil and they have pissed it away fighting some religious war that eventually will be for nothing. They could have used that money to build something great and to help their own people, but nope, they used it to fight a losing battle. When its all over they wont have anymore oil and they will go back to being poor impoverished nomads.

      • xman

        Trouble is, they haven't pissed that money away. They've made deep inroads in to our society. The 'war' of ideals going on in our own backyard has long been ignored and is only now beginning to appear on the radar for a relative handful of Westerners, and I'm afraid to say that the oil will probably last another 100 or 200 years and finance the Jihad for at least that length of time – both overt and covert. Will the West last that long?

    • fencesitter

      Don't be ridiculous, there is not enough oil in Alaska. Maybe the Canadian tar sands could do it, but not Alaska.

  • Jason

    Obama's desire to repeal "Don't ask, don't tell" can actually help to fulfill the "days of Lot" (Luke 17, cf. Gen. 19), the fulfillment of which will hurry up the return of the Heavenly Commander-in-Chief who will make all things straight (pun intended)! Interesting Google articles include "Obama Supports Public Depravity," "Obama Avoids Bible Verses," "Separation of Raunch and State" and "David Letterman's Hate Etc." – required reading for the "Obama 101" course.
    PS – You're invited to use these new pro-life slogans: "Unborn babies should have the right to keep and bear arms – and legs and ears and eyes etc.!" and "Unborn babies should have the same right to be born alive that abortionists had!"

  • Beth

    In the Article…"1.2 billion Muslims around the world are starting to wake up bit by bit to realize that they have been spoonfed total lies and fabrications for centuries about their own religion"

    If they reject their Koran – are they still Muslims? (this is impotant)

  • Beth

    What makes a Muslim a Muslim?

  • Beth

    Thank you Jamie, for the work you're doing –

    If only, all others realized the blessings we take for geanted every day. God Bless your parents Jamie. They taught you well.

  • Beth

    Bin Laden blasts US for climate change

    Are you surprised?

  • Beth

    Hey Alex…"But especially with all the concern about carbon dioxide buildup in our atmosphere"

    Bin Laden blasts US for climate change

    Are you surprised?

    It's an 'Islamist' interest

    (we reap what we sow)

  • Beth

    JosephWiess says…."This article just proves why true education is so important"

    So true, because – we reap what we sow.

    Excellent post Joseph – Keep up the Good Work and tell your friends to do the same…

    Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour

  • TopAssistant

    I spent 40-years in the fire service, most of it with the Department of Defense fire protection (Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps). At one time I was responsible for all of the Army’s fire departments in South Korea.
    While attending a fire chief conference in 1988, I had the pleasure of meeting an Israeli fire officer. During our discussion on the challenges he faced each day, he told me if I would like to see what challenges we would face in a few years, watch what was happening in his country, the Middle East, Europe and around the world. They had been fighting radical Islamic terrorists for years and he told me the jihad would expand throughout the world, including the United States. He was right. This experience brought me to where I am today, a chapter leader for ACT! for America – Raleigh Chapter.

    Folks, if you want to stop CAIR, go to ACT! for America and sign the petition to have CAIR fully investigated. Next, review the STOP SHARIAH PROJECT. Finally, link to the ACT chapters in your state and join, if there is not one close, start one. There is a link on the website explaining how.
    We must have an ACT! chapter supporting each military installation in the nation. The wives, mothers, and fathers, those that have a family member in the military and those of us who just love them will run the chapters. We must top radical Islam; our useless government is too politically correct to do so. Did our government contact the KKK and ask them to come to their offices and advise them how to arrest KKK members without offending them?

  • Papa

    Here is an interesting article about cracks in the Islam curtain

  • Sherwood Beasly

    This is often my 1st time i visit here. I found so many attention-grabbing stuff in your blog especially its discussion. From the plenty of comments on your articles, I assume I’m not the only one having all the enjoyment here! keep up the good work.

  • Richa Khan

    This pro democratic poem is for all of those who want a democratic Bahrain.

    I like the interview. Freedom will come for sure. Would like to share a poem I found on the net.

    Poem: Suppression, I accept not – by Bhuwan Thapaliya

    I came into this world
    not like the river but like a drop of water
    and will soon evaporate

    Though, I am only a drop of water in the majestic ocean of nature
    I yearn to create a vigorous ripple of freedom, in the eternity of the water

    For I am a man of eternal freedom,
    and suppression I accept not …
    I will not accept it

    The living God within me urges me to be free, and to
    march on the road of freedom sans any dread