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Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Paul Kengor, a professor of political science at Grove City College. His previous books include the bestsellers God and Ronald Reagan and The Crusader: Ronald Reagan and the Fall of Communism. His latest book is Dupes: How America’s Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century, based on an unprecedented volume of declassified materials from Soviet archives, FBI files, presidential libraries, CPUSA holdings, and more.

FP: Paul Kengor, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

Congratulations on your new book.

Tell us what you have uncovered about the Left yet again.

Kengor: I don’t know if congratulations are in order, Jamie. It can be rather depressing and tormenting to read through old archives from the Communist International, the Soviet Central Committee, the KGB, and Communist Party USA, and see how the communists so cynically and successfully duped liberals/progressives again and again and again. It’s even worse when, in turn, those same liberals/progressives attacked not the communists who used them and made them look like fools, but the anti-communists who repeatedly tried to warn the liberals/progressives that they were being exploited.

That bizarre, sad manipulation continues to this day, with communists from the grave still finding their suckers, especially in academia, where liberal professors continue to frame the anti-communists as the bad guys. Their Cold War demon is Joe McCarthy, not Joe Stalin. And most depressing of all, those professors generate new dupes among their gullible, wide-eyed students. To add insult to injury, those profs and their students elected as president a man (Barack Obama) who was mentored by one of those duping communists (Frank Marshall Davis), who liberals today refuse to dare acknowledge was a communist, and, naturally blast the anti-communists as Red-baiting reprobates for daring to even raise the question.

So, congratulations? I suppose. But it’s pretty damned depressing at times.

Imagine: After 100 million corpses produced by the communists, it’s still us anti-communists who are on the defensive, thanks to continued dupes on the American left. You know that Vladimir Lenin is howling from his tomb.

FP: I understand Prof. Kengor, I just wanted to give you credit for writing this priceless book.

Share with us a bit more on what exactly inspired you to write this book.

Kengor: That’s easy: the ideology of communism is the greatest killer in human history, and too many Americans have no idea that such is the case, especially today’s college students, who were born after the fall of the Berlin Wall. They are being educated by the disciples of John Dewey, who, incidentally, is one of the biggest dupes in my book. Liberals and progressives have been the unwitting handmaidens to the lies, deceptions, and advancement of this pernicious ideology. And now, even today, they continue to provide that service, primarily through education—or I should say through mis-education.

Dupes have been an integral part of American history since the founding of the republic. George Washington actually warned his countrymen about dupes in his classic “Farewell Address.” It was a word common during the American Revolution, and it never went away.

Once I started looking into communist archives, I saw the ugly upsurge in this process of duping, starting specifically with the launching of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia in October 1917, the launching of the Comintern in Russia in March 1919, and the launching of the American Communist Party in Chicago in September 1919. Of course, communists excelled at propaganda. They were masters. They were outstanding liars—born liars, really. It’s in the DNA, the marrow of the bones. Lenin said that lying was moral as long as it advanced class interests. Vaclav Havel spoke of the “communist culture of the lie.”

Think about this, Jamie: At the height of its membership, in the 1930s, Communist Party USA never had more than about 100,000 members. They were truly a tiny, fringe minority. So, to get marchers at their rallies, signers for their petitions, foot soldiers for some protest, they needed to attract non-communists on the left—i.e., liberals/progressives. As was their nature, they typically lied to these liberals/progressives about their intentions and true loyalties. They were amazed, astonished at how the liberals/progressives repeatedly swallowed—hook, line, and sinker—the most outlandish lies.

So, what inspired me? All of the above. I already knew how bad the communists were—killers of civil liberties and people. I began looking in archives and saw how they cunningly manipulated liberals/progressives. I found material no one had ever seen before, or at least hadn’t published. And I realized I better get this information out there. Other “scholars” weren’t about to publish this material, or even look at it, given that most scholars are on the left, and this material is a scathing indictment of everything the liberal left has ever claimed.

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  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    Great interview! Yet Yuri Bezmenov told it all 25 years earlier:

    … exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. …he will refuse to believe it….

    Yet the communist agitation alone is not the only source of the suicidal trend of the rich and powerful, like Laura Chasin Rockefeller, who feels the need to subsidize people "who are trying to change the system and get rid of people like her"…

    This suicidal trend is yet to be explained…

    • Guest

      Try this – from Tolstoy:

      "I know that most men, including those at ease with the problems of greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as to oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives".

    • elvis

      Presidential adviser for Ronald Reagan

      "Clearly understanding what disables liberals from wanting to defend their culture is today a mortal necessity – an absolute requirement if America is to be preserved and protected from Moslem terrorists and other folk desirous of her demise. …"-Jack Wheeler

      …more from his article, The Secret to the Suicidal Liberal Mind

    • http://www.aynrandcenter.org Paul Beaird

      The suicidal trend you cite was explained already by the little, dark-haired Russian woman who escaped the Communists in 1926 and came to Ameirca to champion the American moral concept of individual rights. You know her as the author of that inspiring novel Atlas Shrugged. . .Ayn Rand. Her non-fiction is well worth reading. It explains a great deal more than simply the "suicidal trend".

      • elvis

        Thank you at least for not providing a link to the Cliffe's Notes.

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      I wished I knew Tolstoy so well… Whichever type of mental paralysis he meant, the phenomenon was not new even then. So conservative must blame themselves for their complacency and false belief as though everything freely evolving within the frame of our great Constitution is acceptable, and therefore must be just left alone. The life itself would sort things right. Wrong! Our Founding Fathers had warned us that it may be right only as long as the people are right: God fearing, freedom loving, moral people.

      Attempts to confront the dominating paradigm or the global mental infection may seem futile. However leaving it alone and avoidance of the confrontation is a suicide!

    • Gylippus

      Yes, Bezmenov warned us. But he was fairly easy to dismiss. Now we have the evidence of subsequent history to prove our case. With the help of people like Prof. Kengor, Jamie Glazov, David Horowitz and Glenn Beck, we've started to turn the tide. The election of Obama may prove to be the American Communism's high water mark.

      Keep shouting it from the tree-tops, over and until it sinks in.

  • Lfox328

    If anyone is thinking of ordering this book, may I ask that you make a Kindle request? It's a lot more convenient for me to get books that way, and the more that Kindle versions are requested, the likelier they are to issue them.

  • Ariel

    Would have been nice to get a few examples.

  • davarino

    I believe the tide is turning with Obama the exposer. I think he has been so radical and exposed so much of the Left's true intentions that the average American is starting to get the idea of what is happening.

  • tim heekin

    "Lenin said that lying was moral as long as it advanced class interests. Vaclav Havel spoke of the “communist culture of the lie.”
    I was struck, but not surprised, by the prof. paraphrasing Lenin as it is remarkably similar to the muslim practice of "taqiyya," i.e., "holy deception" as authorized by the Koran. That is, to lie and deceive for the advancement of Islam. According to allah it's all good.
    Also, i knew about Kennedy as he use to use the retired senator from Virginia, Murphy, to hand carry his traitorous letters to Breshnev (sp) in order to undermine Reagan's efforts. All toll, I believe their were 18 letters.

  • Cuban Refugee

    Thank you, Jamie, for another excellent interview; Paul Kengor exposed such a wealth of information in a few short paragraphs that I am as indebted to you and him as if I had already read his book. "Dupes" is now at the top of my shopping list. Having lived under a communist system of government, I have been warning anyone who will listen that the groundwork for the death of our republic has been laid in this country for many years right in front of our noses. The agents who will effectuate the end times nightmare now control the White House, most of Congress, the State Department, and the judiciary, and are aided and abetted by academia, Hollywood useful idiots, and the corrupt "journolists." The perfect storm is hovering over our union, and black clouds are threatening to rain blood.

  • grog

    "It’s in the DNA, the marrow of the bones. Lenin said that lying was moral as long as it advanced class interests. Vaclav Havel spoke of the “communist culture of the lie.”
    And their lying wasn't even "religiously sanctified" — The exact same situastion is now playing out with the Muslims. I'll be buying a copy.

  • flyingtiger

    These people were dupes? It is kind of like saying that you seduced a prositute by giving her lots of money. These people knew what they were doing.

  • USMCSniper

    Professor Tommy "The Commie" Emerson, Hillary Rodham Clinton's mentor at Yale, got Hillary Rodham her first job assigned to the CPUSA financed defense lawyer Charles Garry in the Black Panthers Bobby Seale murder trial. The defense was funded by the Communist Party USA. When she applied for officer candidacy for the Department of the Navy JAG program after she graduated from Yale she was rejected by the Department of the Navy for as an "unfit as an officer candidate" because of her fellow traveler activities with CPUSA members and the radical SDS at Yale. Her fabricated story about her eyesight being the reason for rejection is nonsense.

    Professor Tommy "The Commie" Emerson also got her her law internship as the personal law clerk to Robert Truehaft, the head of the CA CPUSA and the Chief Counsel for the entire Communist Party USA. She not only worked for him as his law clerk for a year, but lived with Trueafts, who were both carding carrying CPUSA members.

  • dawning

    I have hated and feared communism for many years but now that I have read many books revealing the true islam I am convenced islam could eat socialism for lunch.

  • btilly

    The Communist and Muslims have formed the Islamomarxist party in the USA, and are working together and will hope mto share the booty in the end. But they will fight and the Commies will win over religion. If Hitler had won WW2 he had promised Africa and the Middle East to Muslims, Japan would get all Orientals, and Hitler would take all Anglo nations. But he lost, even after becoming a Muslim Nazi in 1920's and wrote the book, whichn is next to quran in sales, Mein Kamph.

    Elite, educated, unread, fools have been bought by Muslim money. Even Fox has been unable to be fair and balanced.

    Our "Christian" President is a victim of his maternal teachings of fellow traveling, and his step-father who was a Muslim, who didnt hate capitalist enough. Obama was sent to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. They too were confused. I feel sorry for Obama as he is a good father, husband, and would have been a great first Black President if Islamomarxism and Black Liberation of Jeremiah Wright pretense of Christianity. No true Christian would espouse such hateful thoughts or outright support Communism, an anti-Christian,atheist ideology.

  • clarespark

    Before there were Communist infiltrators there were "the moderate men" as I called them. See this blog http://clarespark.com/2010/11/06/moderate-men-fal…. It is this consensus that "moderation" is a good thing that disables Fox News from being truly fair and "balanced."
    I liked the Ayn Rand comment above. It is remarkable that she is still in print and read, which should give us hope.