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FP: You credit Frontpage with helping to get you started.

Kengor: Yes. This is all began with an article I published in Frontpage about five years ago. It was an article on Ronald Reagan and the end of the Cold War. One of Frontpage’s loyal readers read it and emailed me about a document he had from the Soviet Central Committee archives. It was a May 1983 letter from the head of the KGB, Victor Chebrikov, to the head of the USSR, the odious Yuri Andropov. It concerned a “confidential offer” by Senator Ted Kennedy against President Ronald Reagan, intended, clearly, to undermine Reagan’s re-election bid and his defense policies. I was stunned. That document began my digging into a host of archives and primary sources, where I found all sorts of genuinely shocking material, including on Ted Kennedy, which I know you’ll want to address.

I should also add that this brought me into contact with the great Herb Romerstein, the veteran investigator of the communist movement, who I dedicated the book to. Herb introduced me to these archives and showed me how to navigate them. God bless him. He’s a good man.

FP: Tell us some of the characters involved.

Kengor: That’s a very long list. But here are a few: Ted Kennedy, Humphrey Bogart, John Dewey, Roger Baldwin, Harry Ward, Corliss Lamont, Lillian Hellman, Dashiell Hammett, Jimmy Carter, John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Dick Durbin, “Baghdad Jim” McDermott, Arthur Miller, Dr. Benjamin Spock, Upton Sinclair, George Bernard Shaw, H.G. Wells, Lincoln Steffens, Henry Wallace, Ambassador Joseph Davies, Howard Zinn, Walter Cronkite, Helen Thomas, John Murtha, Maxine Waters, Pete Stark, Barbara Lee, Claude “Red” Pepper, Judy Garland, Burl Ives, Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Will Geer, Clarence Darrow, Katharine Hepburn, Gene Kelly, Danny Kaye, Artie Shaw, Mary McGrory, Carl Sagan, Leonard Bernstein, Charlie Chaplin, Eric Foner. I could go on and on.

This could be a multi-volume set. I’m not kidding. Again, this is a sad story. Liberals and progressives were outstanding dupes for the communists; they really were. They believed nothing that the anti-communists told them, but swallowed the most gigantic whoppers fed to them by their communist “friends.”

FP: What do you hope this book will help achieve?

Kengor: I say repeatedly in the book that I want liberals to realize that the communists were not their friends. If they would read this book, which they won’t, they would see this. Liberals are incredibly close-minded. It never ceases to amaze me. Can you believe I still haven’t had a single call, after all these years, from one mainstream journalist asking me about the Ted Kennedy document? Not even one phone call from a liberal reporter arguing with me? They’re afraid it’s true, so they won’t dare touch it. Our media is scandalously biased.

And see, Jamie, because they won’t read it, and, more than that, because they’ll lump me and my work into their loathsome category of irredeemable, Neanderthal anti-communists, they’ll continue to be duped by their “friends” on the far left. In effect, they’ll continue to provide cover for their communist pals, who, ironically, hated and demonized all the liberals’ icons—Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK.

So, I hope the book will affect some liberals, but I doubt very many at all.

Beyond that, I want to reach young people in particular who want a reliable, authoritative history of this great ideological battle of the 20th century, and who need to know how and why communism was so bad. When they actually hold the book, and see all the pages and endnotes (over 1,500 endnotes), and see that I defend anti-communist Democrats and liberals who weren’t duped, and even list among my dupes political mentors of mine like Ronald Reagan (who was duped for a period after World War II), then they’ll take the book seriously and consider it with an open mind. This is history they need to know.

I don’t care about making money from this, Jamie. I really don’t. If the publisher gave away 100,000 copies and I didn’t make a dime, I’d be thrilled as long as people were learning truth. This is too important. Communism was too deadly. We need to know this stuff.

FP: Paul Kengor, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview and thank you for your fight for the truth.

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  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    Great interview! Yet Yuri Bezmenov told it all 25 years earlier:

    … exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. …he will refuse to believe it….

    Yet the communist agitation alone is not the only source of the suicidal trend of the rich and powerful, like Laura Chasin Rockefeller, who feels the need to subsidize people "who are trying to change the system and get rid of people like her"…

    This suicidal trend is yet to be explained…

    • Guest

      Try this – from Tolstoy:

      "I know that most men, including those at ease with the problems of greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as to oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives".

    • elvis

      Presidential adviser for Ronald Reagan

      "Clearly understanding what disables liberals from wanting to defend their culture is today a mortal necessity – an absolute requirement if America is to be preserved and protected from Moslem terrorists and other folk desirous of her demise. …"-Jack Wheeler

      …more from his article, The Secret to the Suicidal Liberal Mind

    • http://www.aynrandcenter.org Paul Beaird

      The suicidal trend you cite was explained already by the little, dark-haired Russian woman who escaped the Communists in 1926 and came to Ameirca to champion the American moral concept of individual rights. You know her as the author of that inspiring novel Atlas Shrugged. . .Ayn Rand. Her non-fiction is well worth reading. It explains a great deal more than simply the "suicidal trend".

      • elvis

        Thank you at least for not providing a link to the Cliffe's Notes.

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      I wished I knew Tolstoy so well… Whichever type of mental paralysis he meant, the phenomenon was not new even then. So conservative must blame themselves for their complacency and false belief as though everything freely evolving within the frame of our great Constitution is acceptable, and therefore must be just left alone. The life itself would sort things right. Wrong! Our Founding Fathers had warned us that it may be right only as long as the people are right: God fearing, freedom loving, moral people.

      Attempts to confront the dominating paradigm or the global mental infection may seem futile. However leaving it alone and avoidance of the confrontation is a suicide!

    • Gylippus

      Yes, Bezmenov warned us. But he was fairly easy to dismiss. Now we have the evidence of subsequent history to prove our case. With the help of people like Prof. Kengor, Jamie Glazov, David Horowitz and Glenn Beck, we've started to turn the tide. The election of Obama may prove to be the American Communism's high water mark.

      Keep shouting it from the tree-tops, over and until it sinks in.

  • Lfox328

    If anyone is thinking of ordering this book, may I ask that you make a Kindle request? It's a lot more convenient for me to get books that way, and the more that Kindle versions are requested, the likelier they are to issue them.

  • Ariel

    Would have been nice to get a few examples.

  • davarino

    I believe the tide is turning with Obama the exposer. I think he has been so radical and exposed so much of the Left's true intentions that the average American is starting to get the idea of what is happening.

  • tim heekin

    "Lenin said that lying was moral as long as it advanced class interests. Vaclav Havel spoke of the “communist culture of the lie.”
    I was struck, but not surprised, by the prof. paraphrasing Lenin as it is remarkably similar to the muslim practice of "taqiyya," i.e., "holy deception" as authorized by the Koran. That is, to lie and deceive for the advancement of Islam. According to allah it's all good.
    Also, i knew about Kennedy as he use to use the retired senator from Virginia, Murphy, to hand carry his traitorous letters to Breshnev (sp) in order to undermine Reagan's efforts. All toll, I believe their were 18 letters.

  • Cuban Refugee

    Thank you, Jamie, for another excellent interview; Paul Kengor exposed such a wealth of information in a few short paragraphs that I am as indebted to you and him as if I had already read his book. "Dupes" is now at the top of my shopping list. Having lived under a communist system of government, I have been warning anyone who will listen that the groundwork for the death of our republic has been laid in this country for many years right in front of our noses. The agents who will effectuate the end times nightmare now control the White House, most of Congress, the State Department, and the judiciary, and are aided and abetted by academia, Hollywood useful idiots, and the corrupt "journolists." The perfect storm is hovering over our union, and black clouds are threatening to rain blood.

  • grog

    "It’s in the DNA, the marrow of the bones. Lenin said that lying was moral as long as it advanced class interests. Vaclav Havel spoke of the “communist culture of the lie.”
    And their lying wasn't even "religiously sanctified" — The exact same situastion is now playing out with the Muslims. I'll be buying a copy.

  • flyingtiger

    These people were dupes? It is kind of like saying that you seduced a prositute by giving her lots of money. These people knew what they were doing.

  • USMCSniper

    Professor Tommy "The Commie" Emerson, Hillary Rodham Clinton's mentor at Yale, got Hillary Rodham her first job assigned to the CPUSA financed defense lawyer Charles Garry in the Black Panthers Bobby Seale murder trial. The defense was funded by the Communist Party USA. When she applied for officer candidacy for the Department of the Navy JAG program after she graduated from Yale she was rejected by the Department of the Navy for as an "unfit as an officer candidate" because of her fellow traveler activities with CPUSA members and the radical SDS at Yale. Her fabricated story about her eyesight being the reason for rejection is nonsense.

    Professor Tommy "The Commie" Emerson also got her her law internship as the personal law clerk to Robert Truehaft, the head of the CA CPUSA and the Chief Counsel for the entire Communist Party USA. She not only worked for him as his law clerk for a year, but lived with Trueafts, who were both carding carrying CPUSA members.

  • dawning

    I have hated and feared communism for many years but now that I have read many books revealing the true islam I am convenced islam could eat socialism for lunch.

  • btilly

    The Communist and Muslims have formed the Islamomarxist party in the USA, and are working together and will hope mto share the booty in the end. But they will fight and the Commies will win over religion. If Hitler had won WW2 he had promised Africa and the Middle East to Muslims, Japan would get all Orientals, and Hitler would take all Anglo nations. But he lost, even after becoming a Muslim Nazi in 1920's and wrote the book, whichn is next to quran in sales, Mein Kamph.

    Elite, educated, unread, fools have been bought by Muslim money. Even Fox has been unable to be fair and balanced.

    Our "Christian" President is a victim of his maternal teachings of fellow traveling, and his step-father who was a Muslim, who didnt hate capitalist enough. Obama was sent to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. They too were confused. I feel sorry for Obama as he is a good father, husband, and would have been a great first Black President if Islamomarxism and Black Liberation of Jeremiah Wright pretense of Christianity. No true Christian would espouse such hateful thoughts or outright support Communism, an anti-Christian,atheist ideology.

  • clarespark

    Before there were Communist infiltrators there were "the moderate men" as I called them. See this blog http://clarespark.com/2010/11/06/moderate-men-fal…. It is this consensus that "moderation" is a good thing that disables Fox News from being truly fair and "balanced."
    I liked the Ayn Rand comment above. It is remarkable that she is still in print and read, which should give us hope.