Sharia in the UK

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FP: Unbelievable. Why did they want to make this change?

Geller: A leader of the IFE, Abu Talha, said this to an undercover reporter about the new system: “The mayor is going to have a lot more control. That’s why we need to get someone, one of our brothers, in there. Which we will do.”

And they did.

FP: What will this mean for Tower Hamlets and Britain in general?

Geller: It means Sharia for Britain, and the election of Lutfur Rahman is a significant step in that direction. The IFE says that its agenda is to change the “very infrastructure of society, its institutions, its culture, its political order and its creed… from ignorance to Islam.”

Even the way they got Rahman elected was redolent of life in a Sharia state. The Telegraph reported that Lutfur Rahman supporters were hanging around polling places all over the borough, scolding Muslim women if they were wearing what the Islamic supremacists thought was “immodest dress.” And a major player in the Labour Party in Tower Hamlets said after Rahman was elected that Tower Hamlets “really is Britain’s Islamic republic now.”

In my New York Times interview here, I repeated what I have said and thought for some time — that the first country that will be Islamic in Europe will be the United Kingdom. This terrible election victory just validates my prediction.

FP: Do you think many in Britain are aware of the implications of this election?

Geller: I hope so, Jamie. But bear in mind that according to the media and the political elites, the English Defence League is the real problem facing England today. The campaign of destruction that the media and political elites are waging against the EDL (which is, contrary to media myth, made up of Jews, Christians, Blacks, Hindus, Sikhs, et al), which is standing virtually alone in fighting Islamic supremacism and imperialism, would be laughable if it weren’t so tragic.

The separation of mosque and state needs vigilance. All you need to do is look at the current global map and the historical evidence to see what happens when you get increased assertiveness from Islamic groups, and they gain more political power. The Middle East was once a Christian region, and look at all the Muslim countries that oppress Christians there now.

We cannot ignore the Islamization of Europe. We cannot ignore the fact that there are no-go zones, where the police cannot go in France, and in England. There are even areas where the fire department cannot go. When they go, it’s a trick, it’s an ambush many times. And there are areas in Europe where the rule of law is already the Sharia.

FP: So what are we talking about? What are we looking at, if we see what Britain might be like in 10 or 20 years?

Geller: I look at Europe and I’m concerned. The British already have introduced Sharia law into their judicial system. And again you’ll say, “So what’s wrong with that?” The fact that welfare benefits in the U.K. go to multiple wives. If you have multiple wives, you get multiple benefits. Why would you encourage polygamy? And freedom of speech is in jeopardy. Religious freedom under the Sharia does not exist.

Today it all may sound outlandish, but the English will wake up one day and won’t recognize their own country. The election of Lutfur Rahman is a tragic step toward that day.

FP: Pamela Geller, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

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  • PAthena

    Why did a British court accept a petition which was fraudulent? Is there any recourse available to English citizens to overrule the decision by the court?

  • http://apollospaeks.townhall.com ApolloSpeaks

    Great Britain is drawing ever closer to one day making this its national anthem:

    RULE, MOHAMMED

    When Mohammed first at heaven's command
    Arose from the boiling desert sands
    This was a sign to every land
    That Islam is their Fate.
    And the holy jinn ecstatically
    Sang this triumphant strain:

    Rule, Mohammed
    Mohammed is the way.
    All Brits shall ever, ever, ever
    Be his slaves.

    Britons not so blest as he
    Must in their turn
    Fall on their knees.
    To Allah and his prophet fall
    While Islam triumphs eternally
    The dread and envy of them all.

    Rule, Mohammed
    Mohammed is the way.
    All Brits shall ever, ever, ever
    Be his slaves.

    Still more mighty shall Mohammed rise
    More dreadful from each enemy blow
    More deadly, deadly than before.
    His sword shall tear apart the sky
    And reign down hell upon his foes,
    His victory assured.

    Rule, Mohammed
    Mohammed is the way.
    All men shall ever, ever, ever
    Be his slaves.

    • Guest

      Words are very powerful. By them God created the heaven and the earth, and set both physical and spiritual laws into effect. Proverbs 18:21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

      You've heard the term "self-fulfilling prophecies" They work. Words can either put you over, or drag you under. That is some real witty work you've woven with words. They show you have a creative nature about you. You might want to start next on a Victory Chorus that will inspire others to take positive action. Daniel 11:32 "…the people who know their God will display strength and take action.

      The Muslim is not ashamed of the Qur'an; so why be timid about the Bible? God says in Psalms 81:10 "…open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it." If we'll do that in faith believing Him, then God says in Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. Stand up for what you believe in man; they do, why not you?

  • Yephora

    As lambs led to the slaughter, so go Britain's unwitting dhimmis.

  • Shaken not stirred

    How does this interview add anything above what Andrew Gilligan has already reported in the Telegraph? What expertise does Geller bring to the table with regards to current affairs in Britain? Yes, its bad that Rahman was elected but who really cares in Tower Hamlets – most people didn't even vote at all. What Geller needs to show to sound like she has something to say is what the likely implications are for this development. Not vague siren calls about shari'a law – show us one enclave in Britain that has been empirically studied – but concrete research. Geller adds nothing to this debate for people who want cold facts above the panic sounds. How is Tower Hamlets an Islamic Republic? On what real basis? What metrics to gauge this? Please. Interview Gilligan or someone that knows whats going on in Britain, not someone like Geller who doesn't even have an academic handle on any of the key aspects of the problem: law, demography, politics and education.

    • Chezwick_Mac

      Rahman's previous diversion of city funds to Muslim front groups…the dissemination of radical literature at local libraries…the intimidation of insufficiently veiled women by Muslim poll watchers…the openly espoused subversive goals of the IFE…

      Together, these form the basis of Ms Geller's postulation that Tower Hamlets is on the way to becoming an "Islamic Republic." I'd say she's pretty cleared-eyed about the whole thing. It doesn't take a clairvoyant or a tea-leave reader to anticipate the obvious, except for a liberal/lefty living blissfully in a state of willful denial.

    • wongiranger

      Spot on SnS! Geller's infatuation with the EDL – a fringe group of racist, thugs positioning themselves as "pro-Zionist" to mislead their true provenance of neo-Nazism, shows her hysterical paranoia for all it is.

      I live in the part of London with the highest Muslim population – exceeding that of Tower Hamlets. I don't like to see the islamisation of my neighbourhood with hijabs/burkhas, shisha bars, synagogues and churches converted to mosques, islamic bookstores, islamic charity shops, shisha joints, etc. proliferating, but rascist mob rule isn't the answer in a democracy. Supporting local politicians who "get it" and spreading articles from their journalist advocates (Melanie Phillips, Andrew Gilligan, Nick Cohen, Julie Burchill, etc.) is the way forward. Grass roots Londoners have had enough of pandering to extremists, and mainstream politicians are waking up to that fact. Welfare benefits are being rationalised, and extremism exposed. Geller and her ilk don't help at all – they encourage the extremists. She should concentrate on her own back yard (a polite way of rephrasing an olde English expression!)

      • GUEST

        without pamela; not as many people would be seeing the problem. She is simply reporting the truth, which islam hates. this has already happened to dearborne mi and marshall mn.

        pander to the extremists, or let them continue on. which is worse. they are like cancer.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Spot on SnS! Geller's infatuation with the EDL – a fringe group of racist, thugs positioning themselves as "pro-Zionist" to mislead their true provenance of neo-Nazism, shows her hysterical paranoia for all it is.

        What makes spreading the truth about Islam racist, especially since Muhammadans comprise all races and nationalities? Not to mention that it’s oxymoronic for a group of neo-Nazis to also be pro-Zionists. Hence, if anyone is hysterical and paranoid, it is clearly you and not Ms Geller.

      • ziontruth

        I could slightly agree, in that I believe Jews shouldn't get embroiled in local disputes, even if clearly mortal enemies of the Jews (right now, the Muslims) are concerned. The medieval Spanish Jewish Rabbi Yehuda HaLevi wrote, in one his poems about the contemporary wars of the Reconquista (Christians vs. Muslims), "When they fight their wars, we fall in their defeats."

        Even so, I couldn't condemn the EDL. Their desire for Britain, to return the state to being a castle for the British or English nation, is no different from mine regarding Israel. To condemn them would be to condemn myself.

        And also:

        "a fringe group of racist …"

        We all know what value the word "racist" has nowadays; what this currency signifies, after decades of Marxist devaluation.

        "Supporting local politicians who 'get it' "

        Most of whom get cold feet as soon as they have a seat to lose.

        "and spreading articles from their journalist advocates … is the way forward."

        Information is not lacking. It's not the problem. We all have the same information–even the Marxists, try as they may to shut it out. The problem is beliefs, doctrines, ideologies, worldviews.

      • Lightbill

        With everything you have listed here why are you hanging around???? if you are not a Muslim then why stay and think you are going to change anything? Once they get their paws on something it is tainted!
        Pam Geller is only telling the truth…and sometimes you have to run the Islamists out on a rail or at least neuter them. Because it is their way or NO WAY! Do you see???
        I AM A PRO ZIONIST AND PROUD OF IT!

    • Claire

      I agree entirely with this posting. I'm a Tower Hamlets resident who voted in the mayoral election. We desperately need *accurate* analysis and reporting of the situation in our borough – not the usual generic 'told-you-so' from Geller who (as so often with US commentators) is ultimately uninterested in the specifics – even though a grasp of these is vital to understand what's going on here. (Gilligan understands better; but even he has, so far, failed to notice that the '30% Bangladeshi' demographic he keeps quoting for the borough dates from the *2001* British Census – which is to say the percentage will be higher by now. On my analysis, 2005 marked the demographic tipping point, which largely accounted for the election of George Galloway as our then-MP.)

      Rahman's ability to get elected as mayor – on the basis of votes from only 12.5% of the Tower Hamlets electorate – owes as much to the pathetically low turnout (just 25% of eligible voters) as it does to any gerrymandering efforts. However, key factors which must have contributed to the poor turnout (and therefore Rahman's 'victory') were: (1) the lack of decent, inspiring alternative candidates; (2) unclarity about who to vote for to most effectively oppose Rahman (particularly for those of us who didn't think much of the Labour candidate Abbas either); and (3) the failure of most candidates (including Rahman) to bother campaigning at all beyond the 'obvious' Bangladeshi strongholds. Much of the campaign took place on Bangla TV channels, with coverage that presented Rahman and Labour's Abbas (another ex-council leader) as the only 2 candidates (when there were 5 in all). In my (largely middle-class, white-ish) neighbourhood we received barely any election literature – contrary to the UK national media's insistence that the notorious dirty-tricks newspaper smearing Abbas as a 'wife-beater' was delivered to 'every household' in Tower Hamlets. Although LBTH has a long history of poor voter participation (which pre-dates the current Islamist shenanigans), it would not surprise me if turnout was low in part because barely any of the candidates were interested in courting/addressing non-Bangla/non-Muslim voters. It was the same story here (Bethnal Green & Bow) at the May 2010 general election: 14 candidates, but very little real 'choice'. In these conditions, blaming Rahman's 'victory' on voter apathy is a little too easy. I'm an Oxford Politics graduate – and even I wasn't sure how best to vote.

      • Chezwick_Mac

        Any civic-minded resident with a sense of social responsibility could have made a little effort and gone out of their way to get the appropriate information on the prospective candidates. "Voter apathy" was PRECISELY what determined this election.

  • Gábor Fränkl

    " Yes, its bad that Rahman was elected but who really cares in Tower Hamlets – most people didn't even vote at all."
    Yes, that's PRECISELY part of the problem, ignorant! But you wouldn't be capable to grasp that!

  • Gábor Fränkl

  • Chezwick_Mac

    As much as there are courageous souls on the other side of the Atlantic, (personified by Geert Wilders), we'd be remiss in our analysis of historical and demographic trends if we DON'T anticipate a prospective future in which an Islamic-dominated, nuclear-armed Europe is a sworn enemy of the USA.

    • http://senatormark4.org SenatorMark4

      Surely you jest! An Islamic nuclear Europe would nuke any remaining center of Enligtenment before attempting to attack the USA. By that time, they would no longer be capable of manufacturing pens to write down the plans.

  • bubba4

    Pam you ever been to England? Ever been out of the greatest country in the world?

    Don't worry about the Muslims…the EDL can go rough em up and let them know they aren't welcome. You know the EDL don't ya Pam.

  • BeckNCall

    Coming to your home town soon?

  • BS1977

    The Brits caved years ago….they did absolutely nothing to stop the invasion after the subway bombings some years back. The Brits have surrendered to PC multicult immigration and have allowed themselves to be doormats in their own country. The question is: Will Americans lie down and submit to the barbarians and their burqa clad women slaves or not? Will Americans permit a fifteen story mega mosque steps from Ground Zero? Will Americans permit this medieval dark age ideology to subvert our legal system? I think not.

  • anon2

    Islamic Republic?????? That's news to English living there, has Pam ever been to Tower Hamlets?

  • anon2

    Macon Georgia had a Muslim Mayor, does this mean that Macon was an "Islamic Republic"???

    • Chezwick_Mac

      Was he in bed with a group like IFE?

  • USMCSniper

    The Islamic religion prohibits Muslims from facing the Kiblah – the direction of prayer – when they visit the lavatory. ODA spokesman said "toilets would not face Mecca" as part of its drive to make the 2012 games the most inclusive and accessible Olympics to date; As part of the design, special washing facilities will be linked to Islamic prayer rooms. The UK has already modified all the toilets in their prisons so they do bot face Mecca.

    • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

      The capitulation of conscience to another's religious demands shows a fundamental cowardice and/or ignorance to the controversy at hand. Would you not agree? Your factual words are wise and I will not contest them. My question is simply this: How do we reign in the tyrannical demands of religion while preserving free will in accordance to the U.S. Constitution? By the way, you're my kind of man in this question of patriotism, loyalty and experience. I've read your words on many blogs such as this.

  • crypticguise

    When are the Brits going to grow some balls?

  • http://www.LifesHaven.net GaryMcAleer

    Jamie, you, Pamela and Geert are the sole repositories for reason in an unreasonable world. You do not demand Christian theology. And although I am a Christian you do not uphold Atheism, although I am not an atheist; you do not uphold any mainstream religion: but what you do uphold is the simple theme of Utopian law, where all are safe in one another's care regardless of one's personal beliefs! And for this, I will go to the ends of the earth for you, because you allow for liberty of conscience, where a thousand religions, including atheism, refuse it! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!

  • http://senatormark4.org SenatorMark4

    Pamela has her pulse on so many of the issues facing the West as the Islamists use our own laws against us but just saying "NO" really isn't going to win this ideological argument. If Islam is the religion of peace them I'm sure having masked people walking down their streets with the Saudi flag stitched to their britches would cause not a whimper of a problem. Or it might. In which case it would prove the lie. I'm sure the Brits ache for a written Constitution with a Bill of Rights about now….or soon for sure!

  • bill

    If this means that a Muslim crook will have his hand removed, I'm all for it.

  • American Me

    I guess that means the US needs to start considering military options outside of the UK if the UK cannot even stop a potential terrorist group from gaining control of their landmass. It is a grim day for the Brits.

    I wonder if the people in the UK will have to migrate in the future if this trend continues.

  • Terry

    Britain hasn't been Great for decades. When islam takes over, it won't be habitable either – not by civilised man.

    • Seek

      What the UK needs is a new Enoch Powell.

  • chiquelets

    http://fineartamerica.com/featured/mullah-madness… This is what are mullah looks…in his heart.

  • chiquelets

    This is how the women fell about their slavery! http://fineartamerica.com/featured/chodors-afire-

  • TheHammer

    I lived and worked in the UK in 1989 – 1991. The UK was an incredible country then and British culture was alive and well. Returning a few years ago I was shocked at the changes. London was even more crowded and Muslims were everywhere. I was also surprised to see station names in Arabic as well as English. The country changed dramatically in just a decade or so. The most significant fact in the interview is that the Tower Hamlet is 33% Muslim. The demographic wave of Islam will accomplish what the sword could not. I predict civil war in Europe as white Europeans who reject Islam fight on their own to protect their way of life. European governments already accept Islamicization – it will be up to the citizenry to resist.

  • maryking

    @ The Hammer, I don't doubt your prediction at all- what a terrible pity for the Brits. If the muzzies would immigrate to these wonderful countries and assimilate, all would be fine. No, they have to try to overrun a civilization.. The EDL is the UK's hope.

  • Olde Englande

    Brits….how can you stand what has happened to your country???

    Olde Englande….land of knights, Sir Francis Drake, Sir Walter Raleigh, Queen Elizabeth and Queen Victoria, Brits who survived the Blitz…now cowering before people in shrouds and dirty nightshirts……..UNBELIEVABLE.
    It's multiculturism: mandated diversity mega tolerance all foisted upon you by the elites…who insist Britain must submit to foreign languages, cultures and ideologies…..For what reason? There is no reason because liberalism is irrational.

  • Abdullah

    IT'S THE CASH…FOLLOW THE MONEY:

    By Bob Smietana, The Tennessean

    NASHVILLE — Steven Emerson has 3.39 million reasons to fear Muslims.
    That's how many dollars Emerson's for-profit company — Washington-based SAE Productions — collected in 2008 for researching alleged ties between American Muslims and overseas terrorism. The payment came from the Investigative Project on Terrorism Foundation, a nonprofit charity Emerson also founded, which solicits money by telling donors they're in imminent danger from Muslims.

    Emerson is a leading member of a multimillion-dollar industry of self-proclaimed experts who spread hate toward Muslims in books and movies, on websites and through speaking appearances.

    Leaders of the so-called "anti-jihad" movement portray themselves as patriots, defending America against radical Islam. And they've found an eager audience in ultra-conservative Christians and mosque opponents in Middle Tennessee. One national consultant testified in an ongoing lawsuit aimed at stopping a new Murfreesboro mosque.

    • MixMChess

      Sure lets follow the cash, what about the billions of dollars the Saudis spend to infiltrate American educational systems with wahabist ideology? Did you know that Saudis have actively altered history textbooks in American elementary, middle and high schools to try to erase Islamic violence against the west and paint America as an imperialist aggressor? What about the college professors (Juan Cole, Norm Finkelstein) and think tanks on the Iranian dime?

      If Islamic radicals get to spend BILLIONS spreading lies and hate about Americans and the West, then its only fair that a handful of Americans get to spend a few million dollars countering that hate.

      • Abdullah

        I see you are trapped in the "Wahabbi Cash Myth".

        A lot of right wingers are…the reality is that there is no "Wahabbi Cash" it's just a smoke screen of lies some people try to hide behind.

        • MixMChess

          Since 1973, Saudi Arabia has spent over $87 billion to promote Wahhabism in the United States, Africa, Southeast Asia and Europe. This is all according to official Saudi government statistics. Saudi funds have been used to build and maintain over 1,500 mosques, 202 colleges, 210 Islamic Centers wholly or partly financed by Saudi Arabia, and almost 2,000 schools for educating Muslim children in non-Islamic countries in Europe, North and South America, Australia and Asia.

          This information can all be found on King Fahd Bin Abdul Aziz. Freedom House published a study, "Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques," that provides a wealth of information on the subject.
          http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_repor

          I guess the "Wahabi Cash Myth" isn't a myth after all huh genius?

  • Seek

    Even John Lydon aka "Johnny Rotten" doesn't visit his old neighborhood in Finsbury Park anymore. Why bother? Those awful Muslim wankers have taken it over, praying (preying?) in the middle of the street. Pretty vacant, indeed.

  • Tower Hamlets Guest

    Hi Folks,
    I'm really sorry, but I'm afraid you have been fed a load of rubbish here.
    Lutfur Rahman is actually a fairly mainstream Labour Party politician. He has been a councillor for ten years without doing anything pro-Islamicist at all. Most of the detail quoted here about the election is wrong or at best severely overblown.
    Lutfur is a great guy: kind, intelligent, cosmopolitan and with a great interest in and respect for other people. We locals are not all idiots who an easily be taken in. Some people in the British press fear a politican who is really popular among their people. Because of the internet, lots of mistakes about Tower Hamlets go round the world. That's not fair to those of us who live here without feeling Islamicised.
    Could you give us a bit of a break so we can just get on with our lives without having to defend ourselves all the time? How about you sit back a while and look and see what happens? Time will show there'll be no sharia law around here.

    • Abdullah

      Tower,

      Beth Din Courts and Sharia Courts exist in Great Britain because the legal code is written that way…so, it's already there, and its there to stay.

  • PamGellerSmells

    I wish you people cheering on the EDL had a clue what you were talking about.

    Any person who dislikes loud, obnoxious, racist thugs wandering around beating up other races, students, liberals or whoever gives them a funny look, should dislike the EDL.

    Theyre just football hooligans, going around claiming every street in every city is "theirs". Well they're mine too i'm afraid.

    if you'd actually SEEN an EDL group, you'd realise they deserve no praise whatsoever. And whats more, "Britain grow some balls" etc is getting old. Muslims are still a very small minority, Non-Whites make up not much more than 10% even in "londonistan", people like Pam Gellar just monger fear for personal gain, wake up.