The Arab Lobby


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FP: What is Obama’s relationship with the Arab lobby?

Bard: A number of individuals associated with Arab lobby views are either advisers, consultants or friends. The Saudis have had a bipartisan hold over American presidents that continues under Obama as reflected by his recent decision to sell the Saudis a reported $40-60 billion worth of arms. The policy he adopted in his first year in office was essentially taken from the Arabist playbook and was focused on appeasing the Saudis, the belief that Israel is the root of all of America’s troubles in the region, and the conviction that playing hardball with the Israelis would improve the U.S. position and hasten peace with the Palestinians. He found out, of course, why this Arabist conception has failed for more than six decades, namely, Israel isn’t the problem in the Middle East, the Saudis can’t be placated and pressuring Israel only makes Israelis distrust the United States so it is more reluctant to take risks for peace while, simultaneously, hardening the position of the Arabs.

For example, the Palestinians never demanded a settlement freeze as a condition for negotiations until Obama made it an issue so the president undermined his own objective of bringing the parties together. I’m not even saying whether I approve or disapprove of Obama’s policy, the point is that it was a failure because it undermined his own stated goals. There are now signs that he is recalibrating his policy after bringing in a non-Arabist, Dennis Ross, to take greater control over U.S. policy.

FP: Tell us about Saudi Arabia’s role in the Arab lobby.

Bard: Essentially, the lobby has succeeded in making a grand bargain with the Saudis. The royal family needs American military support to survive. We want oil. They sell oil in exchange for us keeping the royal heads on their necks. At the same time, the Saudis act like pushers, selling us oil at a price just high enough to keep us addicted and to discourage alternatives. The Saudis use the oil profits to buy arms they don’t need and can’t use , which the Pentagon is happy to sell to get some of our oil money back and to keep their unit costs down and production lines open. More dangerously the Saudis use the profits to undermine our interests by, for example, sabotaging peace efforts; undermining our values by abusing the human rights of their citizens and Americans and threatening our security by sponsoring terrorism and Islamic extremism.

FP: In terms of how to deal with the Arab lobby, what advice would you give the Obama administration if it sought your advice?

Bard: Here’s my suggestions for how to deal with the Arab lobby:

1) We need a determined commitment to energy independence. As long as we depend on Saudi oil, the Arab lobby will continue to insist on supporting the regime that uses our petrodollars to fund terror against us, to perpetuate a society that abuses human rights and that obstructs peace in the Middle East.

2) The President and Congress need to stand up to the Saudis and insist they change policies that are contrary to our interests before they get additional political, military or economic support. American companies doing business in Saudi Arabia should adopt policies similar to the Sullivan Principles used to fight apartheid in South Africa.

3) The United States should insist that Saudi textbooks remove references that promote hatred and jihadism and be sure they are not imported into schools or mosques in the U.S.

4) State Department assignments should be closely scrutinized and diplomats who become afflicted with clientitis should be reassigned or fired.

5) We must distinguish between friends who share our values and interests and countries with whom we have only limited interests.

6) There needs to be greater transparency regarding Arab investments in U.S. commercial and educational enterprises so the American people can see what, if any, efforts are being made to exert influence on American policy.

7) There should also be greater disclosure of foreign funding for universities, think tanks, presidential libraries and other institutions in which former government officials are employed or have interests.

FP: Mitchell Bard, Thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

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  • The_Inquisitor

    I am constrained from commenting by the site admin.

  • leila khoury

    LOL
    FIRST of all, Saudis are locked in a deal with the USA, they cant really do anything. And Saudis are with the Israel-USA axis, not against it.

    Saudis DONT CARE ABOUT PALESTINIANS, do you understand this? I am Palestinian Christian, Saudis do not do ANYTHING for US. Saudis are with our enemies.

    • MixMChess

      "FIRST of all, Saudis are locked in a deal with the USA, they cant really do anything. And Saudis are with the Israel-USA axis, not against it."

      The Saudis are free to stop exporting their Wahabist theology anytime. The Saudis are the largest exporters of anti-western and anti-USA propaganda anywhere in the world, and that's a fact. The Saudis only support Israel when it's convenient for them, like against Iran. Otherwise they continually churn out anti-Israel and anti-Jewish propaganda.

      "Saudis DONT CARE ABOUT PALESTINIANS, do you understand this? I am Palestinian Christian, Saudis do not do ANYTHING for US. Saudis are with our enemies."

      Are you mentally retarded? Go to the Saudi's own Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. The Saudis have literally donated billions to the Palestinian cause, several hundreds of millions have been donated in the past 10-20 years. Of course most of these donations go to support radical terrorist groups and ideologies.

    • semyon petrovich

      Unfortunately, Leila Khoury is far from alone amongst Palestinian Christians in her demented anti-Western views:
      http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/656.ht

      From my perspective as a traditional Christian believer, the last legitimate owner of Jerusalem was Patriarch Sophronius; Caliph Umar stole it from him, and later the Ottoman Caliphate acquired the Holy City. Jews who do not accept Christ have no right to occupy Jerusalem, as has been pointed out by Western and Eastern Christians alike (notably Pope Pius X).

      Nevertheless, Israel is far more tolerant of Christianity than is any Islamic state. Christians may practice the faith there freely, which is simply not the case in Saudi Arabia, or — increasingly — in the Palestinian territories, where HAMAS is enforcing sharia with the support of Iran. If Israel were replaced by another state, it would be an anti-Christian Islamic state far less tolerant of our faith than the Jewish State. There is simply no possibility of establishing s Christian state in the Holy Land for the foreseeable future.

      Thus, I am disgusted on grounds of common sense by Leila Khoury's whining, even though we probably agree that the founding of Israel was illegitimate.

      • aspacia

        "Jews who do not accept Christ have no right to occupy Jerusalem, as has been pointed out by Western and Eastern Christians alike (notably Pope Pius X). "

        The people who created and built Jerusalem do not have the right to occupy it. Oh, Please.

        I am Deist, who rejects all formal faiths, and am coming closing and closer to putting Catholicism right next to Mormonism as my two least favorite Christian sects because if produces arrogant individuals.

        Do you not realize that your are exhibiting the same intolerance that many Muslims exhibit.

        • WilliamJamesWard

          The historically ignorant and intentional liars come up with the
          idiotic claims against Jerusalem. If honesty is present in thought
          the lie of Jerusalem being anything but the Jewish Capitol is
          evident. Israel and Jerusalem, all of Jerusalem is the historical
          and rightful property of Jews and the Israeli State.

          In the Bible The Almighty claims Jerusalem for Himself and
          He tells that Jews are his people, He does not say that about
          any other………….William

          • aspacia

            Thank-you William.

          • bubba4

            The Bible says a lot of things…

            The Jews are the chosen people in their own book….who woulda thunk?

          • MixMChess

            Chosen people simply means the Jews are chosen to follow all of god's 500+ laws.

          • WilliamJamesWard

            See Exodus 6: v7-8 also Ezekiel 36: v27-38

    • Indioviejo

      Do you mean to say that you are a proud Dhimmi? The Saudis aren't any better that your kind, just as murderous and savage.

  • Trawna

    Goog article, but in this interview he under-rates the Saudi's desire and efforts to spread Sharia to the US. They are propagandizing to make all of Islam seem tolerant and loving, while at the same time spreading anti-Semitic, anti-American and anti-Western messages.

    • leila khoury

      saudis have wahhabist form of islam. every other muslim country thinks saudi is backwards, and the usa is keeping them backwards.

      Saudi will do anything for america, and america anything for saudi. Saudi is very pro American, pro Israel, pro Jew because is what helps the royal family soak themselves in wealth.

      • aspacia

        No they are not. Read Saudi Media for enlightenment. The Saudis still do not recognize Israel, and disallow any other faith into their lands. They shred Bibles in their airports, and will not allow Jews to enter their lands.

      • MixMChess

        Leila, get your facts straight. The Saudis have donated hundreds of millions to the Palestinians in the past 15 years alone. The Saudis are the largest exporter of anti-Israel propaganda and anti-semitism.

  • neils60

    John Brennan, an important official in Hillary's Department of State, has no problem telling the world where he stands on the Saudi issue. His speeches, to his mostly Islamic audiences, uses the term al Quds, instead of calling the city its true name, Jerusalem. Perhaps, all those years that he spent lobbying for Saudi Arabia's Whabbist government has influenced his use of what he'd state is politically correct language for both he and for those he must answer to in the State Department.

    • leila khoury

      qudds means sacred. this is why we call it al quds, is the sacred and holy city. for example if we say the "Holy Spirit" its rouhi l quddus.

      Saudi-USA-Israel are all on the same page! Hello people. USA funded and spread wahhabist teachings, no one else. Rest of Arabs want nothing to do with backwards wahhabists.

      • neils60

        Please provide this info to Mr. Brennan, as he's of a different mindset. He won't use the word Jerusalem in public, and he represents the USA, not the Wahhabists in Saudi Arabia. Brennan, I believe, represents a Wahhabist sentiment by some in the state department, and Wahhabism led to 9/11/01.

        • leila khoury

          US support of Al Qaeda in the past, and American imperialism led to 9/11.

          Can we put our bases in your country? Can we tell you who your king or president must be?

          • http://thewanderingwhite.blogspot.com Spekar

            The US never supported al-Qaeda. She supported the Taliban in the 1970's against the Soviet Union.

            Russian aggression was involved in 9/11:
            http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001

            American "imperialism" had nothing to do with 9/11; the United States needed to secure the oil supply during the first Gulf War, and she does not consider Saudi Arabia to be accessible solely to Muslims. If you consider that to be imperialistic, why don't you just join Mohammed's little cult of murderers and rapists (if you haven't already)?

      • aspacia

        And Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Qu'ran, yet your people lay claim to it.

  • Paardestaart

    Well, nobody needs to tell us – we aren't continuously on the brink of war, endangering everyone else. It would be best of course if we were to re-colonize the third world: with your political culture it will take at least another hundred years before you have any sort of life

    And about occupation of your countries: would you rather have had the Soviets? You don't seem to realize that every country not claimed by the US as a protectorate was prey for the communists..Look how happy the North Koreans are..

  • watchful

    I've decided to save FPM the trouble so I'll censor myself. See what a good dhimmi I'm becoming?

  • So Cal Mike

    One point overlooked in this excellent article, domestic American supplies of oil and natural gas have been locked up for decades by the environmental lobby.
    They are the greatest ally of multinational oil companies because they have made it impossible and illegal to get at the vast oceans of oil and natural gas on the US mainland and near shore supplies.
    Yet they never get the blame.

  • muslimpoxbyebye

    123 verses of the Quoran calls for the killing of all non-Muslims.

    Islam itself is the biggest fraud mankind has ever seen. Period

  • muslimpoxbyebye

    SAUDI ARABIA TILL DATE HAS SPENT 3 (THREE) TRILLION DOLLARS TO SPREAD FILTHY ISLAM AND BUILD DIRTY MURDEROUS MOSQUES ALL OVER THE WORLD.

  • muslimpoxbyebye

    MOSQUES ARE JUST BUILDINGS …WE SHOULD TEAR THEM ALL DOWN .
    KORANS ARE JUST WORTHLESS PAPER…WE SHOULD BURN THEM ALL.
    ISLAM IS JUST A NEW SMALL-POX….WE SHOULD STAMP IT OUT AND ERRADIATE IT FROM OUR PLANET. BLOOD WILL FLOW…BUT WHEN HAS IT NOT SINCE ISLAM WAS INVENTED IN THE CRASSNESS OF THE DESERT.

    • bubba4

      Osama Bin Laden would be proud….you pathetic moron.

  • muslimpoxbyebye

    THE ERRADICATION OF ISLAM SHOULD BE CALLED OPERATION DESERT GLASS.

    A short list of JUST SOME OF THE MANY MANY MURDEROUS verses in THE FILTHY Koran:
    "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.” Koran 2:191
    “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.” Koran 9:123
    “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch th…em.” Koran 9:5
    “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.” Koran 3:85
    “The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them.”… Koran 9:30
    “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam” Koran 5:33
    “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.” Koran 22:19
    “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.” Koran 8:65
    “Muslims must not take the infidels as friends.” Koran 3:28
    “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.” Koran 8:12
    “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.” Koran 8:60

    • http://www.myspace/freddawes1776/ Fred Dawes

      You are really Right

  • muslimpoxbyebye

    Mohammed couldn't read or write, so illiteracy is Sunna. And as he was a violent warlord, violence is Sunna. …Sunna : Generally applied term in Islam, denoting what is the customary practice. Article in the LookLex / Encyclopaedia.

    A "phobia" is an irrational fear. Thus, "homophobia" is an irrational fear of homosexuality.
    Which, of course, is silly on several levels. ISLAMOPHOBIA REFERS TO AN IRRATIONAL FEAR.
    BUT FEAR OF ISLAM IS TOTALLY RATIONAL.
    SO THE TERM ISLAMOPHOBIA IS NOT JUST SILLY, BUT IT IS MISLEADING, IN A HAZARDOUS WAY.A MODERATE MUSLIM IS SOMEONE WHO AGREES WITH YOU BEING BEHEADED, BUT DOESN'T DO IT HIMSELF.
    ANY MORE DOUBTS ?

  • Roman

    I agree that "islamophobia" is a misleadig word as "judophobia", "russophobia" etc. Why people do not want to use the appropriate suffix misos which is hatred or contempt in Greek? So, instead of "islamophobia" we should use the word "islamomisia' or instead of "judophobia"- the word "judomisia". These words already exist.

  • muchiboy

    THE ARAB LOBBY

    Anything like the Jewish/Israeli lobby? Muchiboy

    • http://www.myspace/freddawes1776/ Fred Dawes

      you maybe right if people stop and look at what has happened the Israeli government has started to move the murder muslims to the western nations and away from the Israel people and understand one fact 3 million muslins live inside Israel in total peace the jew may make a deal to help in taking down the USA Because of obama attack on jews inside and outside Israel. in other words you may see a deal made soon it will be called The Arab-Iseal pack to remove the USA With help from the rich white boys here. after all money talks BS Walks.

    • ziontruth

      Sauce for the goose, as I told you back on that thread.

      Still on topic, I've noticed people are going on with Wahabbist this, Wahabbist that. Another red herring, instead of calling it what it is: One among the many sects of Islam where believers are required to take the religion seriously. It's like the whole misguided fixation on a certain organization named Al-Qaeda. Orthodox Islam by any other name…

    • MixMChess

      Sigh… of course you ignore all the other ethnic lobbies such as the Greeks, Turks, Armenians, Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs (as emphasized in this article) and Cubans. The latter has had the most dramatic impact on U.S. foreign policy for many decades.

      But of course its always the Jews behind the scenes. Strange, I still haven't received my monthly dividend check from the Elders of Zion.
      http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/deadliest_lies/

      • muchiboy

        "Sigh… of course you ignore all the other ethnic lobbies such as the Greeks, Turks, Armenians, Indians, Pakistanis, Arabs (as emphasized in this article) and Cubans. The latter has had the most dramatic impact on U.S. foreign policy for many decades."

        I recall Bin Ladin after 9/11 stating very clearly that American support for Israel was one reason behind the attack on the WTC.

        "But of course its always the Jews behind the scenes."

        For the most part your assertion is a postitive one.Jews are behind the scenes in the arts,sciences,etc.

        "Strange, I still haven't received my monthly dividend check from the Elders of Zion. "

        Nothing strange about it.The monies are being held in escrow for reparations to the Palestinians.

        • ziontruth

          "I recall Bin Ladin after 9/11 stating very clearly that American support for Israel was one reason behind the attack on the WTC."

          You can do as you wish with your own resources (re: support of Israel, whether monetary or military), but if you think it'll get you off the Muslims' sights, you couldn't be more wrong. If it's not about Israel then it's about something else. Ask a Dane if you want details.

          For crying out loud, Sayyid Qutb hated America just for seeing couples doing square dances! In 1949, in a no-alcohol town (Greeley, Colorado), back when all women wore skirts and kept their legs closed until after they'd been walked over the threshold! You appeasing loons just plain don't realize what you'd have to give up to take the Muslims off your sorry backs. (And even then, you wouldn't be OK in their eyes. Ask the Copts for details. No, the demand is that you add yourselves to their number. Nothing less.)

          "The monies are being held in escrow for reparations to the Palestinians."

          We Palestinians (=Jews)* don't need reparations, we just need the Arab settler-colonist invaders off our land.

          * "The Palestinians among us" –Immanuel Kant, referring to the Jews.

        • MixMChess

          "I recall Bin Ladin after 9/11 stating very clearly that American support for Israel was one reason behind the attack on the WTC."

          Um, Osama Bin Laden opposes western culture and democracy and objected to U.S. presence in Muslim nations. Israel was simply an afterthought. Al Qaeda would hate the U.S. regardless of its policy toward the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

          Don't forget, previous attacks on American targets, such as the USS Cole and U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, were perpetrated by suicide bombers whose anger at the United States had little or nothing to do with Israel.

          Dr. Abd Al-Hamid Al-Ansari, dean of Shar'ia and Law at Qatar University stated that intellectuals erroneously "linked September 11 with the Palestinian problem," which "completely contradicts seven years of Al-Qaida literature. Al-Qaida never linked anything to Palestine."

          Even Yasser Arafat told the Sunday Times of London that Bin Laden "never helped [the Palestinians], he was working in another completely different area and against our interests."

          Even still, on the September 11th anniversary I think its important to remember that it was the Palestinians that cheered, celebrated and handed out candy in the streets when they heard the towers fall. The Israelis on the other hand cried and mourned the dead offered support to the Americans.

          • muchiboy

            " Israel was simply an afterthought. Al Qaeda would hate the U.S. regardless "

            Probably,MixMChess.I only meant to point out the high political (and for me moral) price America pays for her support.I think Jews,Zionists and Israeli's need keep this in mind when faced with seemingly difficult choices in negotiations with the Palestinians.While I don't believe America has the moral high ground here,I don't know what we would do without America,whether led by Obama or Bush(es).Muchiboy

          • ziontruth

            "I only meant to point out the high political (and for me moral) price America pays for her support."

            Then leave. Leave all support. If that's what's bothering you, then we'll be happy to expel the Arab settler-colonists without your support. Keep your white wings clean.

            "I think Jews,Zionists and Israeli's need keep this in mind when faced with seemingly difficult choices in negotiations with the Palestinians."

            Thank you for the subtle threat.

            In any case, I believe HaShem will cause the withdrawal of American support for Israel soon enough. The reason? People like you who believe American support is the only thing keeping Israel going. But HaShem has created the world for His glory, and He is worthy to be glorified; He, and not America nor any human agency, will be known as the guarantor of Israel's existence. It must be so.

          • MixMChess

            "I only meant to point out the high political (and for me moral) price America pays for her support.I think Jews,Zionists and Israeli's need keep this in mind when faced with seemingly difficult choices in negotiations with the Palestinians."

            But there are not high political costs for America's support of Israel. In fact, America (and similar Western nations) benefits exponentially from its relationship with Israel, not just for the strategic advantage but the economic, military and medical "dividends" that Israel pays back to America.

            What have the Palestinians done for America besides export murder, torture and hatred? There are no moral, strategic, economic or any other benefits gained by supporting the worthless Palestinians.

          • muchiboy

            "the Palestinians that cheered, celebrated and handed out candy in the streets when they heard the towers fall. The Israelis on the other hand .."

            I don't know the Palestinians,even though my mothers father was Palestinian,only their cause.And I have not sourced out other witnesses to these celebrations.Regardless,there is justified resentment towards America among the Palestinians,and it may be that any victory,no matter how horrific and repugnant,(same as the innocent victims of suicide bombings),is celebrated.Maybe it says less about the Palestinians then it says about their condition.As to the Israeli's,their tears for the Americans who lost their lives were genuine and showed their humanity but their lack of tears for their Palestinian victims shows a darker side of the Jews.And again,my family and myself express our sorrows to all Americans who lost so much and so many 9 years ago.God Bless America.Muchiboy

          • ziontruth

            "even though my mothers father was Palestinian"

            I wondered why you have a dog in this fight, and now it looks like I have the answer.

            "Regardless,there is justified resentment towards America among the Palestinians…"

            Again you argue just like a lefty: "You have to understand his crimes in the context of the poverty he lived in."

            "As to the Israeli's … their lack of tears for their Palestinian victims shows a darker side of the Jews."

            Listen here, boyo: Nowhere in Judaism does it say you have to love your enemies. The Arab settler-colonist invaders kept lobbing rockets at Jewish towns within the pre-1967 borders notwithstanding the complete evacuation of Gaza of all Jewish presence. They educate their children to be suicide-murderers, and they use all the tons of Western aid money to fund terrorism. We Jews are justified without a shadow of doubt in loathing them, and in lacking any sympathy toward them.

          • muchiboy

            "I wondered why you have a dog in this fight, and now it looks like I have the answer. "

            Now that explains me,but you still have to account for the likes of Chomsky, Finkelstein ,Pappe, Goldstone ,etc.,and they are all Jews.Carter,Clinton,only ex American Presidents.I could go on,but you have all the answers.Muchiboy

          • MixMChess

            Chomsky and Pappe are neo-Marxists and Finkelstein is a neo-facist and Holocaust denier. They are no more Jewish than Hitler was a Christian or Stalin was a Catholic. No legitimate scholar, intellectual or politician actually supports your point of view. You may as well cite Fred Phelps and David Duke as your allies. I bet you wouldn't be that far off.

          • ziontruth

            I don't wonder about Chomsky and the rest (the unfortunately rich history of quislings among the Jewish people), nor about Carter (a leftist, so the tendency to anti-Zionism is a natural). But you insisted you're not a Marxist, so I wondered what reason you have for your anti-Zionism.

          • MixMChess

            "Maybe it says less about the Palestinians then it says about their condition."

            You're probably right, the Palestinians natural condition is to be filled with hate, jealousy and xenophobia. They would cheer America's destruction regardless of the situation with Israel.

            "As to the Israeli's,their tears for the Americans who lost their lives were genuine and showed their humanity but their lack of tears for their Palestinian victims shows a darker side of the Jews."

            Again another swipe at the Jews with fabricated claims. The Torah teaches Jews that while they may not have to "love" their enemy, Jews are still commanded to mourn their enemy. Israelis, more than anyone care about the plight of Palestinians and cry and mourn Palestinian deaths. Just try reading the Haaretz or examining the various NGO's in Israel set up to support the Palestinians. Whenever there is a Palestinian civilian death there is outrage in the Israeli public and it works its way to the government which punishes offenders and changes policies. The Palestinians on the other hand love death and love killing Israelis and they give it moral support whole-heartidly. The Israelis show true moral compassion, the Palestinians have no morals. Despite your best attempts otherwise, Israelis and Israel has proven to be a moral light upon all nations. Too bad the Palestinians refuse to give up their hate.

          • muchiboy

            "Too bad the Palestinians refuse to give up their hate. "

            Maybe it has to do with their stubborn refusal to give up their centuries old claim to Palestine.You know the place,where Jews were expelled a few thousand years ago by the Romans to live in a diaspora.Romans ethnically expel the Jews to live as a diaspora,the Jews ethnically expel the Palestinians to live as a diaspora.Charming.But then you're cousins.Muchiboy

          • MixMChess

            "Maybe it has to do with their stubborn refusal to give up their centuries old claim to Palestine."

            There are no Palestinians that can trace their heritage back to the land that far. The region was devoid of life except for nomadic bedouins that passed through from time to time. Jews on the other hand have always had a continuous presence in the region. There has always been a Jewish majority in Jerusalem.

            "Romans ethnically expel the Jews to live as a diaspora,the Jews ethnically expel the Palestinians to live as a diaspora.Charming.But then you're cousins."

            Actually, Arab imperialists and colonialists tried to ethnically cleanse the Jews in medieval times. I find it interesting that you clearly admit that Jews have claims to the land that trump those of the Arabs, yet you still try to accuse the Jews of returning to their rightful land as colonialists. I'll just tack that up to your anti-semitism and Arab-supremicism.

            By the way, as I have previously proven, the Jews never ethnically cleansed Palestinians, you need to get past that rhetoric and libel. It's intellectually dishonest and makes you look like a bigger idiot than you already are.

          • ziontruth

            "Maybe it has to do with their stubborn refusal to give up their centuries old claim to Palestine."

            A centuries-old claim on the part of a "nation"-fiction cooked up just sixty years ago? That's a good one.

  • http://www.myspace/freddawes1776/ Fred Dawes

    The Arab race hate Lobby was in fact setup by the Bush Boys and helped by Bill and hilary's dealing on the inside, the system boys need the saudi arabia's money to take down the USA If you look at the 40 year old war on drugs and understand BCCI And what really happened on the inside you will see this nation is about to fall apart.

    the lies the propagandizion the anti American feeling and the Whabbist pigs inside our political system can only be stopped by the people and that will never happen.

  • Rainbowman

    The infiltration of Western Govts.has been going on since the founding of 'muslim brotherhood in egypt about 70 years ago..Just collect the names of pro-moslem govt,poloticians for future reference..

  • muchiboy

    "Wahabbist this, Wahabbist that"

    Again,one of my core beliefs is that we are all more the same then different.I have to believe that most Muslims are decent people,like most Catholics,Jews,etc.
    Years ago,in Rhodesia,when my troop was patrolling on the African veld,armed to the teeth,we found ourselves among a troop of Baboons,likewise armed to the teeth,heading in the opposite direction.We all kept our heads and our distances,both our troop and theirs.At that time,eyeing one another as we passed by I wondered how similar we really were.Muchiboy

    • ziontruth

      A troop of baboons???

  • muchiboy

    There are Holocaust deniers who minimize the evil and victims of Nazism for their own unfathomable reasons.I think there are many Jews and Zionists who likewise minimize or rationalize the damage from Zionism on the Palestinian people.Likely my interest and attention on Palestinian history came from having a Palestinian grandfather,but I never knew the man (he was a coal miner and was killed in the coal mines of Cape Breton having immigrated to Nova Scotia in the early 1900's,maybe even the late 1800's.).There was no history of anti Zionism in my family,and if there was any anti-Semitism,I didn't know it unless it was everywhere and just understood like much of the fifties

    • MixMChess

      "I think there are many Jews and Zionists who likewise minimize or rationalize the damage from Zionism on the Palestinian people."

      That's just it, there Zionism has created no damage to the Palestinian people. The only damage to the Palestinian people has been self-inflicted by the Palestinian's themselves. Of course you conveniently ignore the rape, murder, pillage and attempted genocide against the Israeli Jews by the so-called Palestinians over the past 80 years.

      "Likely my interest and attention on Palestinian history came from having a Palestinian grandfather,but I never knew the man (he was a coal miner and was killed in the coal mines of Cape Breton having immigrated to Nova Scotia in the early 1900's,maybe even the late 1800's.)."

      Your grandfather must have been an Arab, Assyrian or Egyptian, NOT a Palestinian. The so-called "Palestinians" weren't invented until 1964 by Yassir Arafat and the Arab/Islamic Bloc.

      • muchiboy

        "Your grandfather must have been an Arab, Assyrian or Egyptian, NOT a Palestinian."

        A rose by any other name…..

        (What matters is what something is, not what it is called.)

        Muchiboy

  • aspacia

    Our troops are bogged down is why. Besides, our military is not fighting for VICTORY, only nation building, not total pacification as we did in WWII. Why on earth did we allow Sharia Law to be the LAW in these lands? We outlawed Shintoism as a facet of Japanese Law.