The Post-American Presidency

Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of the critically acclaimed and best-selling, United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror. His new book is High Noon For America. He is the host of Frontpage’s television show, The Glazov Gang, and he can be reached at jamieglazov11@gmail.com. Visit his site at JamieGlazov.com.


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FP: How does Obama see the world and America? What is his vision and ultimate goal? Was there ever such a radical person to have occupied the White House?

Geller: Obama sees America as just another country. His vision is to make America part of a socialist internationalist supranational construct, destroying American sovereignty. Obama makes Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton look like conservatives.

He said it himself during a visit to London for a summit of the Group of Twenty Finance Ministers and Central Bank Governors (G-20. A reporter asked Obama: “[C]ould I ask you whether you subscribe, as many of your predecessors have, to the school of ‘American exceptionalism’ that sees America as uniquely qualified to lead the world, or do you have a slightly different philosophy?”

It was a question Ronald Reagan once answered without ever having been asked it. He said: “With all its flaws, America remains a unique achievement for human dignity on a scale unequaled anywhere in the world.”

But Obama offered no similar avowal of American uniqueness. Instead, he equated American exceptionalism with the national pride that a citizen of any nation could feel: “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.”

Then, perhaps realizing how much he had just trivialized the achievements of the greatest republic and most magnanimous nation the world had ever known, Obama avowed: “I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world.” He even allowed for the possibility that there were some reasons that Americans should not be embarrassed by their nation’s history:

“If you think about the site of this summit and what it means, I don’t think America should be embarrassed to see evidence of the sacrifices of our troops, the enormous amount of resources that were put into Europe postwar, and our leadership in crafting an Alliance that ultimately led to the unification of Europe. We should take great pride in that.”

Embarrassed? Who would even think such a thing? Except someone who is embarrassed by America. It’s as if the most beautiful girl in the world walks into the best party, bedecked in the most magnificent dress and finest jewels, and someone whispers to her, “Don’t be embarrassed.”

Obama even acknowledged that “we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional.” But in saying that he may have sensed that he was venturing into areas where he didn’t want to go, so he backtracked:

“Now, the fact that I am very proud of my country and I think that we’ve got a whole lot to offer the world does not lessen my interest in recognizing the value and wonderful qualities of other countries, or recognizing that we’re not always going to be right, or that other people may have good ideas, or that in order for us to work collectively, all parties have to compromise and that includes us.”

It was a defining moment. Barack Obama could find some praiseworthy aspects of America – but in saying that he was careful to say also that every country could say the same, apparently in equal measure, and while the U.S. Constitution and system of government – “though imperfect” – had some “exceptional” features, well, other countries also had “wonderful qualities.”

FP: What does this crystallize about Obama?

Geller: It basically can really only mean one thing: that for him, America is nothing special. Even when Obama does refer to America’s essential goodness, as he did in his 2010 State of the Union address, it is only to advance his commitment to socialist internationalism and redistribution of American wealth: he wields Americans’ empathy and compassion like a club to manipulate us into funding bad foreign policy and despotic regimes.

Obama went to work from his first day in office to make America’s decline become a reality. As the most powerful man in the world, he would level the playing field, even if it meant cutting America off at the knees. Good and evil would be made equivalent, with evil sanctioned by the world’s only remaining superpower: democracy and tyranny, dictator and elected leader would be given the same moral sanction. He traveled around the world and denigrated American achievements and American uniqueness. He reached out in friendship to our enemies and the enemies of freedom and individual rights, including Hugo Chávez and even Fidel Castro, and offered Russia a significant boost on its way to returning to superpower status tried by selling out Eastern Europe. He catered to – and fawned shamelessly over – Islam and Muslim countries, making preposterous statements about how much the United States owes Islam, and even about how America was a Muslim country. [2]

Obama clearly believed that doing all this would bolster his image in other countries. But he was taking a calculated risk: that his apparent lack of concern for American national security, and for America’s historical achievements and place in the world, would backfire and anger Americans. Nonetheless, he took the risk. He must have believed that he was powerful enough and popular enough to neutralize any domestic political backlash that may result – and he certainly had the mainstream media on his side, as he did during his presidential campaign, to cover for him, make excuses for him when he failed, and obscure the full scope of what he was doing.

Barack Hussein Obama has chosen the path of the post-American presidency. He seems to envision himself as more than just the president of the United States, but as a shaper of the new world order, an internationalist energetically laying the groundwork for global government: the president of the world.

FP: What is the worst damage Obama can perpetrate?

Geller: He could severely damage American sovereignty by making us subject to treaties that bind us to obey international law. He has been trying to do this over the climate change issue, among others. He is also well on his way to destroying the American economy by nationalizing huge sectors of American industry: the banks, the automobile industry, and now the healthcare industry.

FP: How do we take our country back? Can we reverse the damage that Obama has done? Is there a chance that Americans might actually re-elect Obama?

Geller: A great deal hinges on November 2010. But with the Republicans generally clueless or afraid to challenge Obama as he should be challenged, or unaware of the implications of what he is doing, and the media in his pocket, he could easily be reelected.

FP: What are some thoughts you have, or things you know, after writing the book that are different before you started writing it? Has anything surprised you?

Geller: I have been investigating Obama in depth since 2007. Nothing he has done as President has surprised me. I saw it all coming and sounded the warning at my website AtlasShrugs.com. I was derided and vilified for doing so, but what I wrote then has been proven right.

FP: How does Obama view his role as  President of the United States?

Geller: He sees his job as one of subjecting America to international laws. The problem for Americans is that in his quest for internationalism and global socialism, Obama is leaving the United States twisting in the wind. He is treating America as a stepping stone to help get him where he wanted to go, and he seems willing to do anything to destroy America’s prestige in the world. The consequences could be disastrous, and the presidency and the nation damaged irreparably.

FP: Final thoughts?

Geller: After just one year of the post-American presidency, on January 29, 2010, Solidarity hero and former Polish President Lech Walesa spoke of the new post-American world:

“The United States is only one superpower. Today they lead the world. Nobody has doubts about it — militarily. They also lead economically, but they’re getting weak. They don’t lead morally and politically anymore. The world has no leadership. The United States was always the last resort and hope for all other nations. There was the hope, whenever something was going wrong, one could count on the United States. Today, we lost that hope.” [3]

Our enemies could never have defeated us; we can only defeat ourselves.

Whether Barack Hussein Obama succeeds in destroying America or not, those words could be the epitaph of his post-American presidency.

FP: Pamela Geller, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

Notes:

[1] Barack Obama, The Audacity of Hope, Three Rivers Press, 2006, p. 261.

[2] “Interview of the President by Laura Haim, Canal Plus,” WhiteHouse.gov, June 1, 2009, http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Transcript-of-the-Interview-of-the-President-by-Laura-Haim-Canal-Plus-6-1-09/. “Remarks by President Obama to the Turkish Parliament,” WhiteHouse.gov, April 6, 2009, http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-By-President-Obama-To-The-Turkish-Parliament.

[3] Kathleen Gilbert, “Lech Walesa: World Has ‘Lost Hope’ of America’s Moral Leadership,” LifeSite News, February 5, 2010.

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  • SHmuelHaLevi

    "Saotoro Obama sees America as just another country." A tottaly true statement.
    Perhaps it is time for America to see him as just another Moslem, following the Caliphate Agenda. That abysmal error of the people and amongst them, of 78% of the Jews, will carry longlasting, dreadful consequences for America and the World at large.
    November would indicate, to at least us, if the process of rectifying that fateful error and compounded error thereafter started.

    G.d bless America

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

    I'm 1/3 through the book … excellent.

    The book's focus in mostly on the foreign policy dimension of his administration but there's much to learn. The book is excellent on the threat to our sovereignty. It explains how this threat will reduce us to subjugation by international bodies that supersede the will of the American people. International law can and will be the law of the land if this trend continues.

    Obama’s associates are the key to his soul. Geller does what every good journalist should have done … examine his background. There is no evidence that he ever changed his views over time. There is no evidence that he distinguished his leanings from his friends and associates over the years.

    It reads like a suspense novel … or spy novel. It certainly is an expose that will galvanize the troops.

    • Sonne

      "It explains how this threat will reduce us to subjugation by international bodies that supersede the will of the American people. International law can and will be the law of the land if this trend continues."

      Yeah? And… what's wrong with that? You think the rest of the world should have to live subjugated by the will of the American people? The world is a big place, the U.S. is in fact just another country.

      • coyote3

        You think the rest of the world should have to live subjugaged to the will of the American people? No, but we should we have to live subjugated to the will of anyone else? Come to think of it the answer is: the rest of the world "will" have to live subjugated to the will of the American people.

  • Rib/eve

    This just confirms what we know about Obama. The rubber will meet the road when and if the democrats and Obama do not subjugate themselves to the elections this fall and ultimately to the US Constitution.

    And what will we do if the push thru Cap'n Trade with an outrageous budget after the elections. Or what if they don't leave? With this bunch who knows what illegal steps they will take. Are we ready?

  • http://www.sadlyno.com D. Aristophanes

    Apostasy is punishable by death in Islam. Yet there have been no calls for Obama’s death from the Islamic world. Why is this? Islam gives no free passes.

    There are three possibilities. One, there HAS actually been a call for his death. This seems highly unlikely. Two, the Islamic world, like the rest of the world minus a handful of people like Pam Geller, doesn't think Obama is a Muslim. Occam's Razor suggests this is the case. Or three, Obama is secretly in cahoots with Islamic leaders and plans to visit sharia law upon America. This is clearly Geller's view, but then, she's insane.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MontanaRob MontanaRob

      D. Aristophanes is either completely ignorant, or a complicite liar…PERIOD!!!

    • Chris

      Pamela Gellar is insane? Prove it Aristopharce. Oh that's right, libs don't understand truth or logic. 0bozo is either a muslim or an atheist. There is not a thing remotely Christian about this creepy mongrel president. Also you might actually read the article (i know, you don't want to let facts get in the way of your foregone conclusion) before scribbling your insipid blather.

      Now get back to HuffPo Ari

      • trickyblain

        You accuse another of not understanding truth or logic, then make a series of innane claims without a single shred of evidence? Then you reference an article, an interview with a woman who makes Katryn Harris look "natural," which does exactly the same thing?

        lol – I love this website.

        Mongrel? Please, please, please continue posting on these silly sites. It really reveals the (lack of) character of the modern right.

        • Chris

          OK trickybilge. Since BHO has an extensive Muslim background, Muslim father and stepfather, went to Islamic schools in Indonesia, etc., he was at the time a Muslim or lying about being a Muslim. Now after his politically motivated twenty years in a black racist church, he pretends (actually he really doesn't even bother to pretend anymore) that he is a mainstream Christian. So he either A) never was a Muslim and just was lying about his self- admitted Muslim youth or B) he is an apostate to Islam, punishable by death. So which is it trickster? as far as your Katryn Harris remark, sorry I have no idea what you are talking about and how does this pertain to the subject at hand. As far as the mongrel remark – I'm quoting your god Obama -google it. and as far as the truth and logic deficit in 'progressives', you just proved my point.

          • trickyblain

            Poor Chris.

            1) Obama does not have an extensive Muslim background
            2) he did not attend an Islamic school. Just because Muslims attended the same school as he did, it does not make it a madrassa.
            3) He has never claimed to have been a Muslim at any point in his life. His father was a non-practicing agnostic.
            4) False choice so: C) See above.
            5) Obama is not my "god" — he's not my devil. Since you're into truth and logic, I wouldn't think you would jump to such illogical conclusions without at least asking me about my religion.
            5) My Geller remark stems from her plastic surgery. It looks like it was done by the makers of Saran Wrap. Usually I'm not cruel enough to blast folks for their appearance. But she did that to herself. She volunteered to look like that. Really.
            6) Your "creepy mongrel" remark was nevertheless classless.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadConserv CanadConserv

            I agree it's questionable whether Obama was ever Muslim. But it's not out of the question. Note quotes from Democrat supporting papers in the Pipes' entry below…

            Was Obama Ever a Muslim?

            "I've always been a Christian," said Obama, focusing on his own personal lack of practice of Islam as a child to deny any connection to Islam. But Muslims do not see practice as key. For them, that he was born to a line of Muslim males makes him born a Muslim. Further, all children born with an Arabic name based on the H-S-N trilateral root (Hussein, Hassan, and others) can be assumed to be Muslim, so they will understand Obama's full name, Barack Hussein Obama, to proclaim him a born Muslim.

            More: family and friends considered him as a child to be Muslim. In "Obama Debunks Claim About Islamic School," Nedra Pickler of the Associated Press wrote on January 24, 2007, that

            Obama's mother, divorced from Obama's father, married a man from Indonesia named Lolo Soetoro, and the family relocated to the country from 1967-71. At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisis, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather. The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering – Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant.

            Asked about this, Obama communications director Robert Gibbs responded by indicating to Pickler that

            he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim. "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim."

            Two months later, Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times (available online in a Baltimore Sun reprint) reported that the Obama campaign had retreated from that absolute statement and instead issued a more nuanced one: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim." The Times looked into the matter further and learned more about his Indonesian interlude:

            His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended. That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.

            The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. "We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Zulfin Adi. … Obama's younger sister, Maya Soetoro, said in a statement released by the campaign that the family attended the mosque only "for big communal events," not every Friday.

            Recalling Obama's time in Indonesia, the Times account contains quotes that Obama "went to the mosque," and that he "was Muslim."

            Summarized, available evidence suggests Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father. At some point, he converted to Christianity. It appears false to state, as Obama does, "I've always been a Christian" and "I've never practiced Islam." The campaign appears to be either ignorant or fabricating when it states that "Obama never prayed in a mosque."

      • http://www.sadlyno.com D. Aristophanes

        Geller strongly implies that the absence of a call for the death of Obama from the Islamic world means that Obama is a stealth Muslim (whose religious loyalty is somehow openly known to fatwa-issuers but hidden from everybody else) who wants to undermine the Constitution in favor of sharia law.

        'Truth or logic' are not in play when it comes to Geller's ravings, my friend.

        • Chris

          Obama claims he was raised Muslim and is now a Christian. Thus he is either a Muslim apostate or a liar. He bows and apologises to Muslims. to obama, Christians are rightwingers clinging to guns and ignorance, and yes we are going to pay for abortions both domestic and foreign with your tax money. You have called Pamela gellar insane and her remarks as ravings. You still can't back that up can you? It's OK, you can always sling mud- the liberal version of reasoned discourse, but you can't refute her arguments. If you could you would, but you can't.
          Care to try again?

          • http://www.sadlyno.com D. Aristophanes

            Apparently, Chris isn't the arbiter of who is an apostate to Islam. Or maybe you have the authority to issue a fatwa against him? At any rate, Geller has posted her theory that Obama is actually the love-child of Malcolm X, so I'll just leave it up to anybody reading this as to whether she's prone to ravings.

          • Sonne

            you people need to get a life, or at least some hobbies.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

      Hear! Hear! I couldn't possibly agree more enthusiastically.

  • http://2sunsmagazine.com Jack Elam

    This is the stupidest title for a book since "Liberal Fascism: From Mussolini to Slimcea".

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mo_ Mo_

      Too many big words for you, eh?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

      And again—I share your opinion. Absolutely absurd. These are far rightwing cultists. They are undoubtedly true believers in the sense that they sincerely believe what they are incessantly braying. The question then is how have they come to hold such perverse world views? Either they are functionally insane or they are burdened by profound unremitted anger. Perhaps both. No matter—they are as marginalized as 3-ring, college-lined loose leaf paper.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mo_ Mo_

        Since the book just came out, I doubt you've had time to read it.

        In fact, I doubt you'll read it at all.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

          Comment was on the title. I had enough time to read the entire cover before declining its purchase.

  • Bitter Scribe

    But what about Malcolm X?

  • BS77

    Hopefully this Administration will be POST American as of 2012.

  • LESTER HOWLEY

    THIS WHITE HOUSE IS FULLOF EVIL PEOPLE.INREVELATIONS THE DRAGONSUMMONSHIS OWN,TWO BEASTS.THEY ARE SYMBOLS,BUT THEY ARE REAL SPIRITUALBEINGS,PART OF THE LOWERARCHY DEMONIC PERSONS WHO HAVE CONTROLLED AND CORRUPED THE POLITICAL DESTINY OF MANY NATIONS. THEY ARE WORKING ON OUR NATION NOW.

    • Dennis X

      The death of white supremacy hurts!!!!!!!! VanJones is still right

      • Optio

        Wow, caramba, wundebar dennis x. van the moron jones is right and the earth is flat.

    • Paul

      The Book of Revelation, Singular.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/dnlchisholm dnlchisholm

    People in Michigan have a chance to send President Obama a message August 3rd! http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/07/30/we-need-p

    President Obama is trying to knock down Michigan’s best chance at finally having a conservative governor, but we can’t let Obama win! The stakes of this election are simply too high!

    August 3rd is the most important day in Michigan politics in years! We need to do what we can to help make sure Michigan sends President Obama a message.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

    Conservative talking heads claimed that Obama "backed the release" of the Lockerbie bomber because he wanted to "make nice with the Muslim world."
    Late Monday, when the State Department released the administration's correspondence with the Scottish Ministry of Justice, it confirmed in unambiguous terms that the administration was "not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail," and that "it would be most appropriate for Megrahi to remain imprisoned for the entirety of his sentence."
    So, after this story completely fell apart, did conservative media figures correct the record and let their readers/listeners/viewers know that the administration did not "support" or "prefer" the release of the Lockerbie bomber? No way!
    Stop the disfigurement of the 1st Amendment! If you want to promote your anemic ideology, do it fairly—make a sound argument! Don't use ad hominem attacks and distortions of the facts and expect to be taken seriously.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/RBlan RBlan

      "…when the State Department released the administration's correspondence with the Scottish Ministry of Justice, it confirmed in unambiguous terms that the administration was "not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail," …

      Yeah, you may be right about the official correspondence, but we want to hear the phone calls too. Tell us why media all parroted the official line that Megrahi was released because he was near death from prostate cancer, known to be generally among the slowest-growing cancers of all. Why didn't we hear the outrage from the State Department at the time of Megrahi's release? Why wasn't that the big story? You think the Obama administration values its "special relationship" with the UK so much that it had to shut up and take its side against the American people? Well, come to think of it, I suppose the American people would always be the lower priority to this regime in any conflict of interest.

      Yes, that's right Lary9, we don't trust this administration to tell us the truth about any of its motives or actions. Or maybe you have forgotten the deceptions and distortions that won the election for Obama. No ad hominems in that campaign, right? Now, care to outline what you see as ad hominems against Obama as distinguished from opposition to his policies and actions and lies and deceptions? At least Jimmy Carter would talk about the rights violations of various regimes, placing him several steps above this, easily the worst man ever to be President of the United States. Do you think anyone would give a rat's tail that Obama was once a Muslim if he were a defender of the Western Enlightenment against the 6th-century ideology of the savages? Have you ever heard even a whisper of criticism out of him of the rights-violating habits of Islamic law and practice? We know the tree by the fruit, so forgive us if we mention the source of that fruit — it helps us figure out what trees need to be uprooted and burned.

      You probably believed Obama during the campaign when he was a post-racial moderate healer with mainstream Democratic Party goals. Do you still believe him now after a year and a half of top-to-bottom new-left radical transformation of the federal government, where moderate Democrats have been dragged by Pelosi and Reid kicking and screaming into an Orwellian future they never wanted and never saw coming? If so, you cannot expect to be taken seriously by readers of Front Page Magazine.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

        I wouldn't even be reading selected articles in here if I was as far left as the FPM editorial board is far right. I just stop by to see how the other side lives before I light up a doobie and listen to my old CSN&Y albums….LOL

    • cxt

      Lary9

      Yeah, right. Tell you what "Larry9" , go back and re-read your OWN post then think about how, according to YOU, if the administrations quotes sound all that serious……and lets not forget that we are talking about a cold blooded mass murderer here.

      LISTEN to what they say…………."not prepared to to support Megrahi's release"………….it would be most appropriate for Megrahi to remain imprisoned"…………."not prepared" "most appropriate"???????

      Really???? That is it? That is the most stern tone the Administration can muster?

      Seriously there Lary9 I've heard more strongly worded statements from the guy next door telling kids to stay off his lawn.

      The fact that you can read such tepid, weak, passive and cravenly worded …………ahm……. "statements"…….. and spin them in public, as if the Admin were "really" talking the talk and walking the walk is absurd and more than a little sad.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

        Ouch! Toucy, touchy. OK. So maybe I got clubbed by one too many nightsticks in the '60s. LMAO. You guys are so easy to get a rise outta….

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

        Read the first amendment…FPM.

      • Lary9

        Jeez man. Don't you know the difference between 'bowling alley speak' and diplomatic language? Or has 8 years of G.W.Bush's lame rhetoric about "…the evil doers…" got you disoriented? What a 3-ring circus that administration was. PS: Are you gonna quote Ben Quayle next?

      • bizz

        uh…I think you missed the point.

    • bizz

      Amen brother! Unfortunately, as we all know, reality has a liberal bias, and the denizens of places like this have no interest in facts which might give lie to the narrative they have constructed for themselves (and by that, I mean swallowing every delectable morsel of fear, uncertainty and deception that FOX news and BeckRush can shove into their vacuous heads).

      They live to hate. It defines them; not what they're for, but what they're against.

      • Lary9

        Sadly, I fear that you are right.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

    The collection of distortions and half-truths as well as outright lies contained in this article is unsurpassed by anything that I expect to lay incredulous eyes upon— at least until I read the next edition of the mendacious screed that is Front Page Magazine.

    • coyote3

      I don't know, boy, it seems to be working.

    • Lary9

      -12 thumbs-down units has got to be some kind of record!

    • Longplay

      It would help start a discussion if you actually provided some examples …

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

    Ninety-four days until election day. Are we getting desperate, Lary?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

      You're counting….?

    • BS61

      Oh yeah! Soros is paying big money to this bottom dweller to post on any opposing views! Maybe this explains the 'saved or created' jobs comments.

  • cxt

    While I was responding to Lary9's odd POV on the tepid and passive "statements" issued by the Administration on the possible release of Megrahi something jumped out at me……….the starkly different tone when President Obama quickly and according to his own claims, without all the facts, in a stern and angery tone declared that the police had acted "stupidly" I belive the phrase was.

    With that in mind look back at the passive, nearly supine tone of the statements regarding the release of a mass-murdering terrorist whom killed 100's of human beings.

    American citizen/s just trying to do their job and protect the community, then you get a harsh, angry, stern lecture about behaving stupidly………………mass murdering terrorist and you get ""not prepared to support" and "it would be most appropriate" etc

    Weird.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

      What did you expect the administration to do? Send an intense rant & rave by diplomatic courier? It's the language of diplomacy…both sides of the aisle use it.

      • coyote3

        Why not? England is our oldest enemy.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

          Minus 5 for wrong country. It was Scotland. And the bureaucrat who made the release decision was morally unhinged to do that. Everyone, even most Scots, knows that.

  • truebearing

    I have pointed out the issue of Obama and his supposed apostasy on blogs, many times, and curiously get no flak from his drooling, moony eyed followers.

    Obama attended Rev. Wright's "church" for twenty years, which is significant because Wright is also supposed to have converted to Christianity from Islam. That would mean both Obama, and Wright are apostates, and in accordance with Islamic law, should be killed.
    Neither Obama or Wright have been killed or even so much as verbally attacked by Muslims, and most amazingly, the leader of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, has described Obama as "the messiah", and "the hope of the world". How can Obama, purportedly a Christian, be "the hope of the world" in the eyes of a major Islamic leader?

    • Sonne

      wow…

      hey, totally unrelated question, does your aluminum foil hat interfere with your internet connection?

  • truebearing

    Part II

    Farrakhan's statements seem to indicate a knowledge of Obama's cloaked Muslim status, since no Islamic leader would go against the Koran, and the entire Muslim world, by praising a Christian as "the messiah".

    Not only has Obama escaped the penalties of apostasy, but so has Wright, who in spite of being a pastor, never seems to utter a single word of the Gospel of Christ in his "church", but does produce a steady torrent of anti-semitism and Black Liberation Theology.
    Wright is also great friends with Farrakhan, which should be impossible according to Islamic law, unless Wright is lying too. His friendship with Farrakhan, like Obama's, seems to be clear circumstantial evidence that neither Obama, nor Wright, are apostate Muslims, but are simply dishonest, clandestine Muslims.

    One could say Obama is the Muslim Trojan Horse.

    • http://www.sadlyno.com D. Aristophanes

      Yes, all the muftis in the world are in on Obama's and Wright's dirty little secret, yet none has spilled the beans and the rest of us dummies have been hoodwinked for all this time. It's the conspiracy of the century! Hell, it's the greatest conspiracy of all time!

      • truebearing

        You have identified at least one of the dummies. Thank you. Self awareness is good.

        Obama's presidency is the conspiracy of all time, and Farrakhan is most definitely a player in his Islamo/Marxist overthrow of this country.
        There is no mistaking Obama's hostility towards Israel, theUnited States as a "Christian Nation", and his sucking up to Muslim nations. He won't use the word "terrorism" in conjunction with Islam, which is like trying to avoid using the word cold when describing ice.

        I noticed that your entire comment lacked a shred of meaningful content, or rational argument. You didn't address any of the issues, or relationships that are well established.

        Did you think your response was effective? It was, only if you were trying to convey the message that you are trying to hide something, don't really know anything, or both.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadConserv CanadConserv

      …Unless Farrakhan is more interested in political power than faith, which is probably the case. That is, he's more power broker than Muslim, Islam merely being a practical vehicle to have acquired and now hold on to influence. So he's pleased to nurture relationships with those politically powerful, independent of religion or religious beliefs.

      Moreover, few apostates in the US are killed, given the small minority of Muslims and laws and culture that will penalize, rather than support, such murders.

  • truebearing

    Islam is a political religion. Of course he's interested in political power, that is the very reason behind apostasy being considered the worst sin in Islam. Islam is like the mafia. You quit, you die. Blood in, blood out, so to speak.

    You are missing several points, one of which is that Farrakhan was friends with Wright and Obama well before Obama was president. Farrakhan wasn't the only Muslim who would have known of the apostasy, and if you don't think Muslims will kill people in the U.S. you have been asleep for the last 10 years.

    Like the other reply, you miss the import of Farrakhan's calling Obama "the messiah". Name one other Muslim leader who has called a Christian anything close the the messiah, or "the hope of the world". It just isn't done, unless perhaps they knew he had never really rejected Islam, which is clear to me.

    Are you trying to see no evil? I assure you, evil will be there whether you are willing to see it or not.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Lary9 Lary9

    If you would prefer to have a monolithic blog with comments limited to people who agree with you, then keep dumping a minus 17 thumbs-down points on every commenter with which you disagree. We'll all leave for warmer blogs. Then, you will have no counterpoint views, just a montonous choir of "think-alikes" all congratulating each other on how right you all are. Shame on you for 'hating on' an honest post. I'm going to need therapy now!

    • BS61

      We'll all leave for warmer blogs. –

      Don't let the door hit you on the way to HufPo and Kos!

      • Lary9

        ~reply to BS61~
        Thank you. That's considerate of you. But I've had an epiphany. I'm good now.

  • Sonne

    you are wasting your time Lary9 this site and it's readers really enjoy living in an echo chamber, anything, even if based on fact, that doesn't fit their agenda is considered a "liberal" attack or delusion.

    • Lary9

      ~reply to Sonne~
      I'm definitely starting to think so. Every other blog I regularly post to has its share of different viewpoints and a baseline respect for all thoughtful comments but this one's an echo chamber like you so cleverly said. Those 'Thumbs-Up/Thumbs-Down' scores which are the measure of the 'p-number' next to the user's name says: "User's reputation score. The Better the commenter, the greater the score." What a joke. It's an opinion-o-meter is all! It has nothing to do with context, content or clarity of writing.

  • Longplay

    I believe that Obama's primary "spiritual" focus is 1) himself and 2) communism/anti-capitalism. His Muslim backgound is just one facet of his essence and he embraces not because of its theology, but because its political aspects parallel his other ingrained anti-American and anti-Western ideas, learned at the feet on many non-Islamic radicals. If one asked Obama about essential spiritual matters related either to Christianity or Islam, I doubt he could hold forth with any depth; you would get the same sort of obfuscation ( and quite a few uh, uh, uhs) you hear whenever he speaks. As with many Western Leftists, and as elucidated in Horowitz' "Unholy Alliance", Obama beleives he can use radical Islam as an ally in transforming the West. However, he and all his fellow travelers seem not to realize that in Islam, they have a tiger by the tail.

  • SirCraig

    You know, I have to wonder how someone like Pammycakes can be celebrated for this idiocy – she is utterly devoid of any inside information and exists entirely in her own little paranoid fantasy where evul Mooslims are hiding behind every tree. You people want to feed her delusions – go right ahead. The rest of us are continuing to enjoy our wine and not worrying about non-existent fatwas and jihads…

  • thegrandturnip

    This is hilarious!!!
    And the fact that so many peolpe will take is seriously is the funniest part!!

  • One Up

    You people are delusional. Are you forgetting who screwed this country up? Of course you are, because you are delusional.

  • mother2

    This is nothing but propaganda disguised as an interview. It was written for this website, it was not conducted as an interview. This is intentionally misleading, I cannot say for what purpose because I don't know their agenda.

    Always be weary of those who seek to decieve you, even if you agree with their ideology.

  • http://www.xenu.net AJ Simkatu

    Herpa derpa derp.

    I can hardly believe that people exist that are stupid enough to listen to the crap and believe it.

    A child that is born to a Muslim father is not a Muslim and especially a child that hasn't seen his father since birth and lived as a Christian since the age of six would never be considered an apostate by anyone. This is just the most hundreds of radically insane lies tossed on top of each other with the hope that with enough shiat tossed at someone at least a little will stick.

    Gellar is a disgrace to America and a borderline traitor.

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