The Selling of “Islam-Lite”

Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Michael Carl, a veteran pastor and journalist who has written on terrorism, Islam and the persecuted church for WorldNetDaily.

FP: Michael Carl, welcome to Frontpage Interview.

MC: Glad to have the opportunity to speak with you.

FP: I would like to talk to you today about the “interfaith dialogue” that Christians are engaged in with Muslims. It doesn’t appear that Muslims have exactly the same objectives as Christians. What is happening here exactly?

Carl: The problem is that Christians enter these dialogue sessions with the idea that they’re what the Muslim activists proposing them say are going to be. Christians are of course commanded by Christ to ‘”make disciples of all nations.”‘ So it’s commendable in a way that the Christians involved see the dialogues as an opportunity to evangelize to Muslims. But that’s not the objective the Muslims have in mind. The CAIR sponsored groups that initiate the contacts have a desire to disinformation. They willingly present ‘Islam Lite’ to the unaware Christians in the audience. They speak of faithfulness to Allah, pilgrimages, doing charitable works and Christians just soak it up not knowing that there is a double edge on those Islamic terms and concepts.

FP: What is the “double edge” on the Islamic terms and concepts that you raise?

Carl: I think the ‘double edge’ is the variance between the Islam Lite for the public and the real nature of what’s really being advanced. A good example of this is Muslim writer Yahiya Emerick. Emerick has written, The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Understanding Islam. This is his work that presents Islam Lite, the ‘Islam is a religion of peace,’ and all Muslims are not jihadists version. This is the book that presents Islam as, ‘just like Christianity because they go to their mosque, have an Islamic version of ‘Sunday School’ for the kids, etc. Then there’s Yahiya Emerick’s textbook that he wrote for seventh grade students in Islamic schools. In this book, the chap who is an American convert to Islam, tells Muslim students that the Bible is a book of fables and myths, that jihad really means conquering infidels and that all Muslims have a duty to support jihad.

FP: CAIR is behind many of these interfaith movements. Your thoughts?

Carl: CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land funding trial a few years ago. The reason is because CAIR was established in the 1990s as a Hamas front group. Their goal is simply to advance jihad in the United States politically first, and then by other means if necessary. I’ve written on this subject in a series of articles, the latest being a caution on interfaith dialogue, “Christian Question: Interfaith dialogue or Useful Idiots.” In February, I did a series of three stories on CAIR-related activities:  “Churches Fed Islam Lite,” a “Muslim Suspended from Delivering Lectures to the Army,” and then the story on Hartford Seminary developing a program to train Imams for mosque leadership. The details presented in this series of articles shows that Christians must be wise and discerning in how they deal with Muslims and how they listen to the news when we hear of CAIR’s lobbying efforts allegedly on behalf of advancing the interests of Muslims in America. Nine times out of ten there’s a jihad-related objective behind the emphasis.

FP: Why is there such naiveté among Christians in this context?

Carl: I think it’s quite simply that as American/Western Christians, we’ve combined our Americanism with Christianity. We want to trust people and believe that a person’s word is his/her bond. We still have an optimism that, ‘Somehow, all of this is going to work out’ and that we Americans haven’t done enough digging into real Islam to find out what’s really behind the burqas and kafiyes.

So, as a result, we naively believe the lines about Islam being a religion of peace. We don’t know that every Muslim supports jihad through the even division of their zakat, the mosque offering/tax. We don’t digest the reality that about half of all American Muslims publicly support Osama bin Laden and the jihadists. Since the percentage is so high, there’s at least a 50-50 shot that the really nice Muslim family on your block really wishes to subjugate you under Sharia Law.

FP: So what should Christians be keeping in mind and pursuing when dealing with Muslims in “interfaith dialogue”?

Carl: They always need to be aware of any invitation for dialogue. I would honestly suggest that the Christian initiate the contact with a Muslim. Talk to the neighbour, the store clerk or whoever and begin sharing the Gospel. If a member of a local mosque is initiating the contact, based on the evidence, the invitation is being given with the backing of the local chapter of the Islamic Society of North America, CAIR, or the Muslim Student Association, all of which were started by the Muslim Brotherhood and are Hamas front groups.

FP: Crystallize for us the key differences between a Christian sharing the Gospel with someone and a Muslim “sharing” the Islamic message with a non-Muslim. If a person arguing with you said, “This is the same thing.” What would you answer?

Carl: First, the God of the Bible is not the same as Allah. Allah was the 7th Century moon god on the Arabian peninsula. Muhammad just gave him a promotion. This is the reason that the crescent moon is the symbol for Islam. In the Qur’an, Allah commands Muslims to support jihad, to slay the infidels unless they convert and to put to death any Muslim who turns from Islam. In my reading through the Qur’an, I’ve found numerous references to fighting, warfare, ambushes, and conquest. The Qur’an and the Hadiths teach that the only guaranteed way to eternal life in heaven is to die in jihad. Islam offers no guarantee of salvation either. Another key difference between the god of the Qur’an is revealed in the fact that the Qur’an has no ‘context.’ The suras are arranged from longest to the shortest and in no chronological order. Thus, the reader doesn’t get the sense of reasoning for why Allah commands something.

On the other hand, Jesus commands us to witness for Him by our character, our words, and our deeds. Jesus commands us to witness and verbally share the Gospel by telling people of what Jesus has already done for us. We don’t have to work our way into heaven and we certainly don’t get a quick pass to heaven if we die in a military campaign. Our salvation has been provided by Christ’s sacrifice for us on the cross. He’s completed the work, our part is trusting in Him and inviting others to do the same. And that promise is given unconditionally to us. We “confess with our mouths Jesus is Lord and believe in our hearts that because God has raised Him from the dead we will be saved.”

FP: Michael Carl, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview.

  • Emman Chehade

    I don't know what's wrong with Pastor Carl. Doesn't he know that Mother Teresa was as dangerous as Osama bin Laden in her own way. When will people realize that what has happened and is happening in "Palestine" is the worst tragedy in human history. Please don't tell me about the Sudan, Thailand, Nigeria, the Philipines, etc. where Muslims are simply caring out their Allah given right to kill non-Muslims…as long as those welfare payments from the UN(funded by the United States and Israel…) "Palestine" will be indestructible….

    • Foolster41

      I assume and hope this is sarcasm.

  • 9-11 Infidel

    The unindicted co-spirators and their affiliates have infiltrated all levels of the government and the military. All they are trying to do is carry out the Muslim Brotherhood goal to "sabotage our miserable house from within" by using our system against us.

    Their idea of "interfaith dialog" is a ruse. The only "interfaith dialog" that exists in Islam for non-Muslims is subjigation, second class citizenship, forced conversion, rape and death.

    As Muhammed said: Hewas commanded to spread the word of Allah, by any means necessary, including by the sword and by the use of terrorism, until the only deen left is Allah's deen.

    Wake up Westerners. Educate yourselves. Read the Muslim Trilogy and The Reliance of the Traveler. Follow Sun Tzu's advice and learn to "know they enemy".

  • aspacia

    Emman, eventually, the Arabs in Israel, Gaza, and The West Bank will be expelled to another land that will absorb them, since their brethren do not want them.

    Israel absorbed most of the Jews expelled from the Arab lands, and the Arab world should absorb their brethren. Since they will not, the Arabs need to be expelled.

    Why all the focus on the violent Palestinian/Arab/Syrian/Egptian Arabs? Poor babies who picked a fight, were soundly defeated, and will not surrender until annihilated. Animals who attack Jewish nurseries, day care centers, school buses. I have no sympathy for them.

    This is what will probably happen.

    • Urja

      >Animals who attack Jewish nurseries, day care centers, school buses. I have no sympathy for them. <

      I think animals have higher morality and better sense than the so called followers of allah have. We shouldn't insult animals by comparing them to the followers of allah!!

  • Jim C.

    I wish Westerners would just crack open a Koran and start reading. The thing is one long harangue. Total pain in the ass to read, too. Makes you sympathize with Muslim kids who have to memorize and feign enthusiasm for it.

    I think the idea with the dialogues is a good thing because you don't want to insult people's core beliefs, but basically you want them to be able to compartmentalize like modern westerners do. Take a step back: Religions involve a certain amount of faith, and faith means believing in things beyond reason. Fine. Here, you're free to practice your religion, but this is a society of political liberty. Faith is a matter of personal preference. But on liberty we will not compromise.

    • Gary Rumain

      Arselifters aren't interested in dialogue. They are only interested in taking over and dominating.

      And the best way to read the koran is online with the best bits annotated:

    • Syd Barrett

      It is a good thing not to insult people's core beliefs; that's true Jim.

      However, I think it's high time for Christians to say to Muslims: get the heck out of the Promised Land and don't go back, then we can have "interfaith dialogs."

      • Jim C.

        Great handle, Syd!

        That's what they want to say to us, too. I say we don't even play their game. This should never become a "holy war" for us; that is, it should never be Christians and Jews vs. Muslims. This should be Freedom vs. Tyranny–it HAS to be, or it won't work. Why? Because the taste of freedom is addictive. Muslims need crash course Enlightenment. They have their tradition of Quietism that needs to be encouraged. Whether they can or can't handle that remains to be seen.

  • USMCSniper

    Ayn Rand said there are three rules listed below are by no means exhaustive; they are merely the first leads to the understanding of a vast subject.

    In any conflict between two men (or two groups) who hold the same basic principles, it is the more consistent one who wins.

    In any collaboration between two men (or two groups) who hold different basic principles, it is the more evil or irrational one who wins.

    When opposite basic principles are clearly and openly defined, it works to the advantage of the rational side; when they are not clearly defined, but are hidden or evaded, it works to the advantage of the irrational side.

    And always, if you lay down with dogs, all you will get out of it is fleas.

  • HenryCrux

    HenryCrux is a Catholic who wants to remind you all that we were kicked out of the world lots of times and existed as a not to welcome or approved of minority in many countries down through the centuries – but look! After losing every battle we are winning the war. We are the richest Church of them all and by far the busiest – and way bigger than all the rest. There are 1.4 billion of us, and we all obey one leader. Everyday all 1.4 of us listen to the same Mass with the same readings, and all 1.4 of us live in a country of ours which is only 108 acres set smack dap in the middle of sin-city (Rome). We, being deprived of our empire, have a way of getting things done, all the while, looking hungerly at a way to once again own the world for Christ even while loving our enemies as we love Christians. So, about our secret Crusader school, "Two wrongs don't make a right, but three left turns do." It would be nice if you thought we were a little more trickier than the Government or the savages. Get smart

  • Texarkana Writer

    Peaceful people don't live by principles that advocate killing people who don't believe as they do.

  • davidka

    The interfaith dialogues (and I have gone to several) are taqqiyah, and the more elaborate and well funded and high level they are, the worse they are. In addition, there are plenty of these going on under the table, not openly.

    The stupid liberal Jewish rabbis, by the way, are just as clueless as the Christian interfaith dialogue participants, if not more so.

    If you do get to attend one of these horrors and have a chance to ask questions, come armed with many questions to force the Moslem dissemblers to speak plainly about the problems with Islam. Here is a sample question:

    "Islam believes that Mohammed was the perfect man whose ideas and behavior must be emulated. Are you willing to condemn those behaviors of Mohammed that are inconsistent with modern civilization and American law? For example, do you endorse the idea that a man is permitted to "marry" a child at 6 and begin raping her at 9?"

  • S.Paquette

    The Pastor forgot to mention (you have to come into repentance in order for Jesus to come into your heart) otherwise Jesus does not come in and there is no change of heart. And your dealing with the old self unless there is a change of heart of a person there will be no change of any kind impossible. We as Christians have nothing in common with Islam. Unless the people themselves are willing to change you are dealing with the devil and it go on and on no end to it.

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