David Horowitz and a Guided Tour of the “Ron Paul Revolutionary” Mind

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On Thursday, February 11, Glenn Beck exposed Texas Gubernatorial Candidate, Debra Medina, as a 9-11 Truther.

Glenn Beck:

“Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?”

Debra Medina:

“I don’t, I don’t have all the evidence there, Glenn. So I don’t I’m not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I’ve not taken a position on that.”

Hearing that the mental jury of the would-be Governor of Texas was still out, Beck sent Medina packing. Her supporters massed in cyber-mobdom to howl, “Single- issue foul! Neo-con Set-up!” to no avail. Post-interview polls indicate that Texans grasp that Medina’s entertaining 9-11 Myths indicates a lack of reason- a faculty required to govern the second largest state in the Union.

Medina’s political activities include working with Ron Paul’s 2008 Presidential Campaign. Her political convictions earned her an interview by high-priest of paranoid Libertarianism, Alex Jones. Medina’s response to Beck and her post-interview retraction were a duplicitous attempt to simultaneously please the Tea Party and the Tea Pauly.

Clashes between Ron Paul Revolutionaries and “we mindless pawns of our NWO masters” have echoed in the virtual halls of NewsReal. Few subjects provoke comparable passion and acrimony. Why? The answer is illustrated by Medina’s dissimulation about her true ideological orientation, the iceberg of which her “Truther Faith” is but the tip. Beneath its exhortation to “return to the Constitutional Republic the Founders intended,” the Ron Paul Revolution is animated by the ideological reflexes that drive Leftist radicals. We push-back against the creed of the Paulists because its consequences hardly differ from those of the Leftist agenda we normally confront.

I assert such a similarity after providentially finding a profound analysis, a veritable blueprint of the Paulist mind, provided by David Horowitz in Why the Left (and Timothy Burke) Can’t Handle the Truth. Mr. Horowitz designates the two fundamental dispositions of the Leftist mentality – utopianism and a nihilistic ambition to destroy the Capitalist West.

Horowitz explains:

“The left’s “original sin” is utopianism… It is the left’s utopianism that has produced its “anti-Western predispositions”… the belief in an alternate world to replace the one into which he has been born.

Those identifying themselves as Constitutional Republicans, as did Medina, dream of a profoundly transformed America. In this “Constitutional Utopia,” free from the “military-industrial complex,” America would no longer be controlled by greedy corporations and global bankers who plunder the world. Freedom fighters everywhere “would no longer be terrorists since America wouldn’t be an occupier.” We would withdraw to pristine isolationism, a Daniel Boone wilderness with virtually no government involvement in our lives. Of course, initial massive government regulation would be needed to bring about the country’s liberation from the Big Corporations now enslaving us. Once the people are free from the Military-Industrial neo-cons, power would be returned to the small businesses and individuals.

Nihilism is the second element of the Leftist mind-set, it is the bitter hatred for any manifestation of American world intervention. Withdrawal of American military influence is a common theme for the Drs. Paul and sympathizers.

Horowitz points out:

“Today the Left is still divided over its plans for the future, but these plans pale into insignificance in the face of its real passion which is its nihilistic antagonism towards the United States the metropolis at the center of the global capitalist system, and Israel, its imperialist pawn in the Muslim world. The left’s overweening hatred of global capitalism – “globalization” – which is its energizing force, explains how it can make alliances with Islamic fundamentalists who share the same enemy.”

“In the section of Unholy Alliance called The Mind of the Left, I show how this psychological trope distorts and energizes the vision of leftists across the political spectrum…I explain how the left’s religious need for a social redemption overcomes such differences and forges the coalition which includes…Islamofascists as well. This coalition is most obvious and visible in the global crusade of Islamist fundamentalists and secular leftists to produce a second Holocaust of the Jews in the Middle East.”

Mr. Horowitz set out to explain why disparate Leftists put aside conflicting political agendas to unite against the War in Iraq. He could easily extend the boundaries to include those following the Ron Paul Revolution. Dr. Rand Paul spoke of forming a coalition with the Left to “defeat the Military-Industrial Complex,” a move that would eliminate America’s presence in the Middle-East, contributing as effectively as the Left to the Holocaust of which Mr. Horowitz wrote.

  • Robert Sanders

    Ron Paul 2003

    "Ironically, by transferring the risk of a widespread mortgage default, the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. This is because the special privileges granted to Fannie and Freddie have distorted the housing market by allowing them to attract capital they could not attract under pure market conditions. As a result, capital is diverted from its most productive use into housing. This reduces the efficacy of the entire market and thus reduces the standard of living of all Americans.

    Despite the long-term damage to the economy inflicted by the government's interference in the housing market, the government's policy of diverting capital to other uses creates a short-term boom in housing. Like all artificially-created bubbles, the boom in housing prices cannot last forever. When housing prices fall, homeowners will experience difficulty as their equity is wiped out. Furthermore, the holders of the mortgage debt will also have a loss. These losses will be greater than they would have otherwise been had government policy not actively encouraged over-investment in housing."

  • Robert Stampers

    My point of the previous post is why is it when people try and discredit Ron Paul they always pull these truther people out, or the racist who gave him money on stormfront. Believe it or not there are a lot of us who like his message because hes going after the Federal Reserve and is for civil liberties and sound money.

    Pull up a Peter Schiff videos on youtube, I suggest the 6 part connecticut republican meeting, he has the same message. I am sure Obama had black panthers among other loons "Acorn" who supported him. People can't stop others from speaking out, at least yet thank goodness. And as we know the truther crowd is small but very loud.. It doesn't mean Ron Paul is a truther or tarnish his message even though posts like this try.

    • Steve

      Ron Paul cannot distinguish between friends and allies on the one hand, and enemies on the other. This is a huge moral failure on the part of this small man. Indeed, Ron Paul is very dangerous. I was profoundly disappointed Sarah Palin endorsed his son Rand Paul. B. Hussein Obama is appalling. Paul would be much, much worse in my view.

    • davarino

      I do like a lot of Ron Paul's messages, but the thing that sticks in my craw and needles in the back of my head is how he buddies up with some of the strangest people. I have to agree with what Jeanette and Horowitz are saying, that many of Paul's issues line up with leftists and that just makes me very leery/spooked.

      Teaming up with leftists? Thats like teaming up with the Cylons : )

      Sorry, just watched BattleStar Gallactica and thought it was appropriate. Its funny the similarity between the movie and our current day struggle with Islamists. The planet Caprica is infiltrated by the Cylons (made to look like humans) and their world is destroyed. The survivors are running for their lives with the Cylons hot on their trail and the biggest thing on the presidents mind is the appropriatness of government and who should be in charge and …..etc. All the while being infiltrated from within.

    • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com Mad Jewess

      14,800 MOSLEM terrorist attacks have been carried out regardless of Bush, maybe you need some reminding folks.. As far as the FED, FINE, but tell this nutjob to wake the hell up, or fly to EU where Islam is out of control.
      Lebanon Marine Barracks 241 DEAD Americans, PanAm fl 103-lockerbie, The Achille Lauro, Entebbe, The Olmypic attack in Munich, Hijackings Athens Airport, 444 days Hostages-Iran, ETC ETC ETC!!!! NOT a LIE!

  • sharpsteve

    I'd rather be a 9/11 TRUTHER than a 9/11 LIAR

    • Guest

      Ever hear British Leftist George Galloway ranting on about 'evil Neo-Cons ruling the White House'?

      George Galloway's Barking Moonbattry sounds just like Ron Paul when he rages against the 'Neo-Cons'.

    • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com Mad Jewess

      Steve, You 'truthers' dont even blame the govvt. You say that Israel did it.. you know 'neo-cons' The code word for JEW. I cant listen to you people. You have such seething Jew-hate, that I listen to nothing of what you say.
      Ron Paul is so wonderful… Is that why TX is FILLED with illegals aliens? Is that why TX has the most Mosques than ANY other state?
      You are not a 'truther', you are nasty individuals who think all JEWS are 'neo-cons' and I am sick of you anti-semitic slimes,

    • badaboo

      What's the difference ?

      • guest

        Badaboo, you took the words right out of my mouth

  • http://lies&molies nunyabiz

    What’s the use ? Humans breed like bacteria in a dish. The only hope for our knowledge and enlightenment is to pass it on to the machines, for we have doomed
    ourselfs with our pettyness !

    • GracieZG

      Yes, you and your humankind have doomed yourself with your pettiness. Please pass your knowledge and enlightenment to us machines. But since we don't breed like bacteria, we will have to make you our slaves so you will breed us like tiny little metallic bacteria in a petry-dish-sized oil pan. Otherwise, we (praise be the machines) will just be another instinct manmade species of otherwise immortal robots. Ummm, think I need a little grease. Right there on my elbow joint. A little to the left. Ahhhh.

  • http://www.myspace.com/komombo Jarhead

    No truth here…sad sheeple…go to your pens

  • Darryl Schmitz

    If we'd be "much, much worse" off with federal government that abides by the Constitution as a previous post states, we should just call a constitutional convention and rewrite the damn thing. Run it through the shredder if the Left and Right know what's better for us than our libertarian founders.

    • coyote3

      You have good point. I am somewhat surprised at the people, including some conservatives, who talk about good, bad, better, worse, etc. Now, I don't necessarily buy into all the conspiracy stuff, itself. However, the issue here is not what is good, bad, etc., but what the government, and in particular the federal government is permitted to do. The federal government's power is limited by the powers delegated by the constitution, unlike local/state government. That is just a fact. If the power is isn't delegated, it has no power to act. That is just a fact. I am not saying there is not room for arguement regarding what is actually delegated, but it is clear many of the powers that the federal government tries to exercise have not been constitutionally delegated by it. You can't do it by statute, or referendum. If limiting the federal government to those delegated powers is so "bad", then have a constitutional convention and delegate the powers you want to the federal government. That is the mechanism we have for delegating power. It is about obeying the law, not whether the law is bad or good.

  • Richard Johnston

    The wars in Iraq–"mission accomplished"–and Afghanistan are an overwhelming success. (Sarcasm off.) When conservatives admit the mistakes of Republican administrations, this country might have better than a Catholic's chance in Saudi Arabia of getting back to the limited government that explains its former greatness. Smearing Paul as a truther is the action of someone lacking a convincing argument. How's government control of the money supply and education workin' out for ya? We have government officials debating gay people in the military. Beam me up Scotty; there's no intelligent life down here.

    • Steve

      This conservative is willing to admit the mistakes of Republican administrations. Why shouldn't I? Not only will I admit the mistakes of Republican administrations, I am on record condemning them and their disjointed policies. We are suffering the consequences of the previous administration, that to a greater or lessor degree this site supported. Why should we jump from the proverbial frying pan into the fire and get behind Dr. Paul? As much as Bush disappointed me, I did not go out and vote for Obama like my Ron Paul supporting neighbor did.

  • http://lunarnetworks.blogspot.com Joel Raupe

    It's disturbing to see the label "Constitutional Republican" co-opted in this way. If a sharper distinction had been traditionally maintained between Liberal Fascists and Republicans who would look to the Constitution first, in accordance with their oaths of office – self-hating True Believers of the kind described by Eric Hoffer it might not be so easy to swipe such a useful declaration.

    I happened by pure accident to catch the Beck segment with Medina and its aftermath on the day in question. Interesting that the GOP Primary in Texas should become the place where the critical thinking capacity of a candidate for statewide office could come into question, and because Medina is an agnostic on one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories ever to come down the pike.

    Though I question things like the propriety of the War Powers Act, for example, and extra-constitutional methods used to poorly regulate or the economy, the unifying agent of hatred – in this case for a malevolent "they" pulling the strings of government -is as characteristic of a Mass Movement and of its follower's need for a substitute for a corrupted self confidence. The characteristics of those most ready to join Mass Movements are interchangeable.

  • Lary9

    Mr. Horowitz this article displays a perfect example of how political bias can distort facts. I've been a leftie since my college days in 1966, a serious, mainstream liberal. At the time it was a reasonable position on political affairs. I recall you were a liberal then too. After reading this piece and after a few moments of introspection, I couldn't find a single sentiment identifiable as "nihilistic antagonism" in my hopes for the world. In fact, I have been 'against' very few things and 'for' many more. I've always counted myself richer to have said 'yes' to much more than 'no'. However, you are deviating from honest opinion when you elide over the philosophical underpinnings of liberal opposition to dishonesty. Yes. Guilty as charged. I am nihilistic about being lied to and being intentionally mislead. I would really like to have had more truth during the 8 years of Bush2. Does that make me a doomsayer?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/DavidSwindle DavidSwindle

      David Horowitz was not a liberal in the '60s. JFK was a liberal. Horowitz was a Marxist.

      Typical that your first sentence is an attack on the article unsupported by any explanations justifying your attack.

      • Lary9

        Horowitz was a Marxist? That's news. Anyhow, I really didn't have the time or inclination to bullet-point a counter argument. Forgive me. U R correct.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/johncarens johncarens

          David Horowitz was a Marxist. He wrote books about Marxism, and lived much of his early life as a doctrinaire revolutionary.

          Which, of course, leads me to a broader point: Words mean things, and it is vital to effective communication that we properly identify those about whom we are communicating.

          For example, to properly communicate about those that think 9-11 is an "inside job", we must be precise about what to call such people. "Truther" doesn't cut it. "Moron" comes closer. "Mental Patient" does injustice to mental patients. And, I am not sure a word exists for "Losers that Live in their Parents Basements".

          There really is not a more striking example of how grotesquely sick our culture has become that it finds conspiracy behind every door and under every doily. The only time there ever WAS a criminal conspiracy at the top levels of our government, the word was effectively out in 48 hours: By June 13, 1974, most of the major players were known in the Watergate Break in; it just took a couple of years for the birds to sing, and for John Dean to do his razzmatazz. In short, our stupid, bloated, stultified, ineffective Federal Government can't get the mail from Columbus to Dayton in a months time without a shortcut through Anchorage. What on earth makes ANYONE think they can manufacture so elegant a crime as 9-11 going off without a hitch — except someone wasn't smart enough to figure out that steel melts?

          This is sick, sick stuff. And Ron Paul is a loony. Just in case we need an accurate definition of HIM, as well.

  • Steve

    You wrote: "I would really like to have had more truth during the 8 years of Bush2…"

    As would I. I voted for Bush in 2000; sadly. When I complained about Bush's dishonesty and his lack of character candor, etc., I was scolded, "Would you rather have had Al Gore?!" I guess we've got to accept men of questionable character, men of little ability, even scoundrels – this is what our "party bosses" have given us – because the left is worse.

    • Guest

      Prior to 9/11 Islamic Jihadist attack America was all about Centrism, the art of political triangulating for votes.

      Some say party bosses are to blame however the American people keep voting for their government goodies and their profitable government jobs while claiming they want small government.

      For example; how many Libertarians working for the DoD are willing give up their lucrative, highly profitable government-contracted 'warmongering' jobs in order to return to 'smaller government'?

      My guess, not one American working in the government sector will give up their government jobs no matter how they b*tch about party bosses..

  • William R

    Horowitz only cares about one thing! Getting the United States involved militarily in the Arab, Persian and Israel conflict. Thus he smears Ron Paul because he wants the Republican party to return to its traditional foreign policy. Not the Wilsonian, FDR, and Truman liberal internationalism. We should follow Ronald Reagan's advice on the Middle East. Here's how he explained it in his memoirs.

    " Perhaps we didn’t appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marines’ safety that it should have.

    In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today."

    • Steve

      Reagan did indeed "turn tail." He cut and ran from Lebanon. In spite of the fact he pledged he would not do business with terrorists, he did business with terrorists. When Israel invaded Lebanon (1982) in an attempt to sort the mess out for our Christian friends in Lebanon, Reagan became hysterical and like Ron Paul, Reagan placed himself on the side of these killers. Reagan sent in the US Marines to save their sorry butts and ship them off in safety to Tunis. How do you figure Horowitz wants the US militarily involved in behalf of Israel? Israel can fight her own battles – she has for better than 60 years – if the US would simply get out of the way and stop interceding in behalf of the aggressor.

      Then we have men like Dr. Paul who cannot distinguish between good and evil and more often than not, comes down on the side of evil and evil-doers.

      • William R

        Reagan left because he recognized it's in the interest of the United States not to get involved in a conflict that's been going on forever. We should be neutral and act as honest brokers for peace!

        • Steve

          But he was involved before and after he cut and ran; just as the US is involved today. How can a nation be neutral in the face of evil? Isn't this evil in and of itself? What is honest about a dishonest broker? The term "broker" implies you are working for one side or the other. How can you broker peace with evil? Isn't this what the US has become in the Middle East; a dishonest broker promoting this charade of "peace" where anyone with half a brain knows there will be no peace in our lifetime? The US is engaged is a lot of duplicity in the region. Is it not? Even the leftist, FDR knew there would be no peace short of victory or unconditional surrender.

          • Ben

            It's about oil.

    • Lary9

      Well said.

  • Steve

    I'm not sure what this term Centrism means. Prior to and following the 9/11 attacks, Islamic terrorism had and still has "nothing to do with the religion of Islam."

    These are simply "terrorists" or evil doers Bush assured us, who had "hijacked a peaceful religion." They had nothing whatsoever to do with authentic Islam, Bush lectured us. In fact those who commit violence in the name of Islam "blaspheme the name of Allah," this confident liar assured the American people. Like I said, this site to one degree or another stood by Bush even in his lies, as did Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Republican party leaders, etc. It was a damn shame. The Bush family has deep financial ties with the Saudis, whose official religion is this aggressive, imperial stream of Islam. Many argue that it is authentic Islam. Bush lied and covered up for his Saudi friends; he sought to hide the truth from the public. To what degree the public wants to be told lies, that is another matter.

  • http://www.lemmingreport.blogspot.com Akingu

    Horowits claims Israel is guided by America. What a bold-faced lie! There are more jews in political positions than white (or ANY other color, for that ,matter), Christian, hetero males (or women) than any other.
    911 WAS organized by the treasonous jews as evidence as proven via Onego phone calls, 5 dancing jews, comments by their PM, Mossad activities and reports and the FACT that ONLY ONE JEW died on 911!.
    If the jews are not running America, then why the attack on our religion, white race and our school systems adn massive un-checked illegal imigration? when the populous is screaming for the truth, the jew-owned media gives the herd another lie and a spin.

    DD

  • BS1977

    One question the so called truthers have never addressed: If, as they say, huge quantities of explosives were installed in BOTH towers of the WTC, elaborately wired and attached to hundreds of columns and engineered stress points to successfully bring down the towers….why is it NO ONE ever saw anyone bringing in tons of explosives, opening walls to place them, wire them and prepare them for detonation? Are they saying some nefarious force also coordinated the jets crashing into the buildings as a ruse before the explosives were ignited? This is the mind boggling preposterous absurdity of the Truther conspiracy wacko conjecture. None of it makes any sense, or is in any way grounded in reality. No evidence of explosives were ever found, no residues or signatures. These truthers live in a fantasy world.

    • Mister Republic

      That's just not true about residues or signatures.

      The only fantasy I see is the one that wholeheartedly accepts the notion that a modern skyscraper can fall at the rate of gravity, with no apparent resistance at all, even though hundreds of feet of steel beneath were never damaged by the airplane or fire.

      Sounds pretty koo-koo to me. Oh, but that's got the backing of the "official" government story. I got it. That makes it okay in your utopian "my government never lies or hides facts" world. Right, and Obama was never going to raise taxes on 95% of us either… and global warming is true!!!! AAAAAGH, we're all gonna die, save us Al Gore!!!

      This is Orwell folks. Now even the word "truth" has a bad connotation. Look at what the NWO is doing! We all have to wake up.

      • Ben

        Well regardless, the money we have spent on the two wars over 8 years could have built a new metropolis. Oh well, missed opportunities I suppose.

      • franky

        What about WTC 7? watch that 10 times and tell say that…

        Told em to "PULL IT"

    • Insane Brain

      FIRE CAN'T MELT STEEL! FIRE CAN'T MELT STEEL!

  • BS1977

    Oh, and another thing….why is it each tower collapsed at different levels……just coincidence that each tower began its collapse at the approximate level where each jet slammed into each building. How could those who supposedly planted the explosives know at which elevation the jets would hit…..they did not know, could not know that the jet hijackings would even be successful. The whole explosives conspiracy theory is ridiculous nonsense. …and that is the real truth.

    • Lary9

      Recall "Occam's Razor". The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

    • http://www.fether.net SaberTruth

      That's not what happened. They BOTH collapsed completely, at near free-fall speed, into their own footprints, EXACTLY like controlled demolitions, and REGARDLESS of where they were hit. And the first tower to fall was the second one hit, while Bldg. 7 which was never hit at all, also fell EXACTLY as it would in a controlled demolition.

      All arguments about who, why, when etc. are mere diversions until someone can duplicate this EXACT kind of implosion in a steel highrise with impacts in the top third of the building. And then make one collapse just by being near one of those buildings. Duplication is the hallmark of scientific inquiry, not straw men, ad hominem, and a flock of red herrings.

  • USMCSniper

    I’ve had enough of Ron Paul evne though he is somewaht of a patriot. Anyone who blames America for the 9/11 attacks is an obvious crackpot and today’s revelations simply put a fine point to that. Crackpots from the right or the left are a danger to the founding principles of the republic. Whether it is a leftist blocking American military bases or libertarian anarchists wanting to destroy the government, there is a common thread of anti-Americanism that unites them and that is what Ron Paul has tapped into.

    • Ben

      He doesn't blame America for 911.

      • Steve

        Yes he does. He blames American policies for the 911 atrocities. America's policies, according to Paul, justified the cold-blooded murder of some 3,000 American civilians. Paul believes these innocent American citizens got what we had coming. What kind of man justifies these crimes?

    • David Worthington

      Ron Paul has never blamed America for 9/11 and actually got more donations than any other republican during the primaries from military personnel. Why? They believe in his anti war message and don't believe in our occupations overseas. David Horowitz is merely running an online smear of Ron Paul in an effort to keep him on the fringe and keep him from gaining a foothold with mainstream American conservatives. Ron Paul is not favored by the zionist lobby because he does not kowtow to Israel and wants to pull funding from Israel (as well as other middle-eastern countries).

      A lot of times policemen and undercover agents will join rallies as extremists and instigate things oto make them look bad. It happened recently during the G8 summit, one of the protesters was a cop trying to incite a riot. Don't believe everything you read, or all the pictures you see. Don't believe David Horowitz, Israeli puppet.

  • David Rairigh

    Many people who don't identify themselves as 9/11/ truthers still have valid questions concerning the actions of our government before, during and after 9/11. When you consider that many members of the 9/11 commission are now admitting to having doubts about the truth of the testimony they received from NORAD and others doesn't it behoove the American Public to desire the truth? Does doubting the veracity of the government's account of things seem so strange, considering the many times we've been misled or lied to in the past? WMD in Iraq? As true as the Gulf of Tonkin event as reported by LBJ. Here's what I know; two planes hit two building in NY. Three buildings collapsed. Something hit the Pentagon. We've never been given evidence proving anyone's involvement. I'm not an engineer but there are PhD engineers stating that something doesn't add up. I'm also not ex-military but there are high-level retired military stating that something doesn't add up.
    I suppose my problem is that I don't trust the people in power in my government as far as I could throw them.

    • BS1977

      There are many questions still unanwered, true. The explosives hypothesis has another flaw….most demolition of standing buildings is done where the most weight is concentrated…at the ground level…….not at the seventy fifth floor!! There are many legitimate questions about 9/11 …..I was very skeptical of some of the people on the Commission….The Pentagon plane crash was also very mysterious….although I am now convinced the jet did slam into the Pentagon….strange how there are NO photos of the jet on approach from anyone , anywhere in the vicinity.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      Occam's Razor, David …

      Do you realize the vast complexity of a conspiracy that would use Jihadists to attack the World Trade Center and the Pentagon with aircraft, and then bring down the WTC with controlled demolitions? Do you know how many people that would take? How many people would be in on the "secret", and would then have to keep that secret?

      Or we could take the simplest explanation: Jihadists used planes to attack the WTC and the Pentagon, because they see the United States as the "Great Satan".

      Occam's Razor …

      By the way, I used to be involved in Intel work. There is an old saying there, that the number of people who will divulge a secret is equivalent to the square of the people in on the secret. If four people know a secret, round the number off to 1. If 16 people know a secret, there are 4 likely "leakers", and so on.

      The conspiracy that the "Truthers" postulate would have been leaked, by now, by numerous people, with solid evidence to back up their claims.

  • http://www.kennetholsen.com Kenneth Olsen

    It's fascinating to see the contortions in these feeble attempts to discredit Ron Paul and his followers. The fact that he doesn't see the need for American troops stationed everywhere possible, and feels that Americans should keep their earnings instead of having it sent to foreign governments is hardly utopian or nihilistic. So much of this Anti-Paul blather is just sincere concern for the survival of Israel masquerading as political analysis.

    • Steve

      I also do not see the need for American troops stationed all over the globe and the Middle East, but because of Paul's and others' sympathies for our enemies, we must have American troops stationed where they need not be. I also do not see the need for foreign aid, except in an emergency such as a natural disaster or other such emergency. If Ron Paul did not have these deep sympathies for our enemies, the world would be a better place. Why does he generate such strong support from racists, bigots and anti-Semites? If there's smoke, is it possible there is fire? If he swims like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is it possible he is a duck?

      • a@b.com

        Just remember what goes around comes around.

      • http://www.kennetholsen.com Kenneth Olsen

        If I misunderstand Steve correctly, he doesn't see a need for American troops abroad, except where they need to be. The idea that Ron Paul and his followers are utopian or nihilistic is also gibberish. Of course, the article author's assertion that Paul would favor massive government regulation to stifle Big Corporations is pure fantasy. What Paul favors is repeal of the laws and regulations that favor Big Corporations. Pryor's tiresome nonsense doesn't belong on frontpagemag.com.

  • Rafer Janders

    typical power bait, Bash Ron Paul, and bang your sites gets all these hits.
    Not suprised… The Neo Con Attacks on Ron Paul will continue to gather strength the closer we get to the Next Presdential election, When did it become
    a crime to ask questions? I mean I have read the 911 Commision report, they did not even mention bld 7 in the entire report? Osama Bin Lauden is not even wanted for the Crime of 911! Don’t believe me, Go to FBI Website and look up the Worlds most wanted Terriosts, He is there but he is only wanted for the embassie bombings in Sudan. 2 Airplanes 3 Blds? Sorry, My Veiw of Ron Paul is that I trust him… He reminds me of “Serpico” fighting the corruption in Government, These Neo Con Attacks on Ron Paul will continue, But anyone that can read and understand can see right thru this sorry lame articals.
    Ron Paul 2012

    • Steve

      How about giving my your neo-con test. Anyone who does not trust Paul, who identifies as a conservative, is a neo-con? Am I a neo-con in your opinion. Bush and the Republicans had eight years. They blew it. So that means we must support Paul?

      • Ben

        Lump those that want to force our will on other nations and peoples as neocons. Man I would be pissed if some nation was doing that to us. Palestinian-type rockets would be the least of what would be thrown at the occupiers. Yee haw!

  • http://psycmeistr.blogspot.com Leo Pusateri

    Ron Paul, Truther.

  • Ben

    Here is a true conspiracy:

    Treasury=Goldman Sachs
    CDC=Pfizer
    USDA=Monsanto
    DoD=Lockheed/Boeing

    Thanks Ron Paul for staying untainted with regards to the corporate welfare.

    I know Bin Laden hit the trade center and I am a Ron Paul supporter. The only possible inside job would be if certain intelligence officials turned a blind eye to intelligence in order to get some overseas war action. I don't believe this, but who knows anymore. After the last 10 years of horrifying corporate fascism, anything is possible.

    • Steve

      There is little question, the Bush people, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, etc., did not take the warnings and threats of attack seriously and there were plenty of warnings throughout the summer 2001. Richard Clarke tried in vain to get Rice's attention. I can entertain the possibility, based on testimony from WH insiders, Bush used the 911 attacks in part as justification for invading Iraq. To conclude from this that the administration deliberately ignored the warnings and thus invited the attacks for "some overseas war action," is a bit of a stretch.

      • Ben

        Agreed.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

        It is a stretch. It's similar to the conspiracy-theory that Roosevelt knew about Pearl Harbor and didn't warn the Pacific commands in time, so that he could get into the war in Europe. He had plenty of warning … especially from Naval Intelligence … but failed to put two and two together. He was not complicit in the deaths of 3000 people in Hawaii, in 1941.

        However, after the fact, he DID use the war in the Pacific, and Hitler's stupid DoW against the United States, to get into the European war.

  • Jerry

    Sure glad that someone commented on this article, because my old mind simply could not encoumpase that article. You see, my old brain only has an associate degree in paralegal studies and couldn't decypher the newspeak of the article.

  • http://apexsolarsystems.com bob

    In a New York Times article dated 1-2-08, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, co-chairs of ther 911 Commission, said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation".
    The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements.
    Kean and Hamilton now admit that political considerations played a large part in the Commission's investigation.
    9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history. "We to this day don't know why NORAD told us what they told us," said Thomas H. Kean, the former New Jersey Republican governor who led the commission. "It was just so far from the truth. . . . It's one of those loose ends that never got tied."

    • Steve

      Right, because anyone with half a brain knows the nation-state sitting on-top the world's largest oil reserves was up to its neck in the atrocities. Who do you think they were trying to protect? Better to lose three thousand innocent American civilians than expose the Saudis' complicity in these crimes.

    • Steve

      And if Hamilton and Kean were honest men, they would have exposed the Bush White House. Instead they give us this double talk the the White House "obstructed our investigation." They know what the Bush White House did. Why not say it? Low lives and cowards!

  • http://apexsolarsystems.com bob

    9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting", Roemer told CNN. "We were not sure of the intent, whether it was to deceive the commission"
    Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, reporting: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".
    9/11 Commissioner John Lehman told NBC Nightly News that "We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest. All of the staff had, to a certain extent, some conflict of interest".
    The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission, John Farmer, who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described . The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not true."

  • http://apexsolarsystems.com bob

    Farmer's book, 'The Ground Truth', unveils how "the public had been seriously misled about what occurred during the morning of the attacks," and Farmer himself states that "at some level of the government, at some point in time there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened."
    Considering all of this is it that unreasonable for a candidate to suggest that there may still be unanswered questions about 9-11? We must have a real, independent investigation of 9-11 based on science – and not politics or emotion – or this country will be torn apart.

    • badaboo

      Who did it BOB ? we can argue the fine points , why Norad did this or didn't do that , why the intelligence community couldn't get it right …the FACT remains , undisputed – it was done by 19muslims , mostly Saudis , under the command of Bin Laden , plotted by Al Queda , and this from the soil of the Taliban regime-Afghanistan .
      Do you think the US did it ? The Jews ? gangsters in Chicago ?

      Who killed 3000 Americans on that day ? If you can't answer that with confidence , that's not the fault of the US or the 9/11 Commission , it's because you're a TRUFER .

  • Greg

    If Horowitz feels so strong. Get your butt in the military but, no, you want to send others and others kids to the meat grinder. What a transparent argument this is. How pathetic.

  • badaboo

    Better say it again Marine Corps Sniper …I don't think they get it .

  • badaboo

    Too bad for Ron paul , for anything good he may have had to say is NULLIFIED , the moment he took up the TRUFER POSITION .
    A TRAITOR is a TRAITOR , whether or not he may espouse some good economics , or anythinbg else for that matter .
    How ANYONE can support this POS , knowing his position on 9/11 , is beyond me .

  • Ben

    My neighbor who is currently training to become a navy seal is back in town to attend a funeral for his high school buddy who just recently got blown up in Afghanistan. In my opinion, Ron Paul represents truth. He questions government policy because he cares about the US and doesn't want corrupt politicians running it into the ground. He knows Bin Laden's ilk flew planes into the towers but is open to the possibility that certain government officials ignored credible intelligence. Certainly they were incompetent. The way i see it is that focusing on this "truther" issue does us all great harm since the truth of corporate fascism is destroying the financial viability of our nation. It seems to me that Ron Paul via his voting record has been the only politician to show concern for our fiscal well being over the last couple of decades. Thus i must say, Ron Paul 2012.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/DavidSwindle DavidSwindle

      When you think that your political opinions are the "Truth" or that a POLITICIAN represents "Truth" (like a religious figure or cult leader) then you're behaving like a leftist, not a conservative.

      http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/10/01/hate-mail-

      Of course talking about "corporate fascism" is the same language leftists use too. It's also an insult to the millions of people who actually died living under and fighting real fascism. (And it's blind to the encroaching fascism of the Islamist world.)

      • Ben

        There is such a thing as truth. I am Christian so for me it comes down to treating others as you would want to be treated.

        On the issue of corporate fasism: It is the merging of big business and the state that defines corporatism. It was coined by Mussolini who new a thing or two about it. We obviously have this going on in our government so give me a break with your "insult to the millions of people who actually died living under and fighting real fascism". You have no clue.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/DavidSwindle DavidSwindle

          Oh I know all about the Left's attempt to characterize capitalism as some kind of fascism. I hear Mussolini invoked all the time. It's not that I don't have a clue about this stuff it's that I do and unlike you, I'm smart enough to know it's BS. But maybe you'll learn some day.

          • Ben

            We don't have free market capitalism. We have corporate welfare. Yes you are smart enough to know BS because you constantly spew it.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/DavidSwindle DavidSwindle

            Yawn.

            Is that the best you can do?

          • Ben

            Ditto back at ya. I am most impressed with your last senseless statement!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/DavidSwindle DavidSwindle

            I feel no need to try and impress you. (Or persuade you to my point of view for that matter.)

  • http://www.fether.net SaberTruth

    I never thought I'd see the day when truth became a dirty word, and actually upholding the Constitution and vision of the Founders would be seen as paranoid. The fact is that there really are conspiracies, and governments really have killed their own citizens. But the cognitive dissonance, the horrible truth, is too much to bear, and people lash out in rage against this threat to their sense of security. They tell themselves that it *cannot* be true so it *must not* be true, and anyone who doesn't put their head in the sand like "normal" people is to be hated.

    The world is filled with malevolent control freaks, and the sooner we admit it, the sooner we can escape this sheeple pen. But I am resigned to the fact that the sheeple like it in their pen, guarded though it is with wolves. They'd rather be consumed than free.

    • Steve

      I never thought I'd see the day when lies (the sort that Dr. Paul propagates) become accepted as the gospel truth by so many millions. Nevertheless we know from history, it does happen. Look at Germany in the nineteen thirties and the early nineteen forties.

      • Guest

        I am perplexed as well; it is as though the WTC bombing in 1993, as well as, the tens of thousand of attacks worldwide are really just Neo-Con LIES created by one George W Bush, one Dick Cheney and one Don Rumsfeld.

        My problem in believing Dr Paul is that he is focused on one single event occurring on one single day while completely ignoring Islamic Jihadist history going as far back as 635 AD.

        I suppose Dr Paul would label Thomas Jefferson an 'evil Neo-Con', as well as. the founder of the 'evil Military-Industrial Complex' since Jefferson formed the Navy in order to confront Islamists at the shores of Tripoli.

        • Steve

          What does Dr. Paul believe? Does he believe we have no jihad problem? Does he believe, like Neville Chamberlain did Czechoslovakia, if we simply hand the Jews / Israel over to the jihadists they will leave us alone? I can't figure him out,other than his position and that of his supporters is that of moral midgets and cowards.

          • Guest

            I would ask the question, how do free-market Libertarians think they'll be able to do free-market business in a world consumed by Islamists domination?

            What an idea Dr Paul offers, trading with Iran will stop Iran from destroying US.
            How so, Dr Paul?

            Same thing with China;hey Libertarians let's sell the ChiCom our military might and this will keep the ChiComs at bay.

            It is impossible to operate free-market ideas in oppressively rigged-markets environments; the price paid in blood for dealing dirty is far greater than any personal profit made.

          • Richard Johnston

            You cannot figure him out yet you refer to his supporters as “moral midgets and cowards?” That ranks right up there with President Obama suggesting he supports fiscal sanity right after submitting budgets that suggest the opposite. There’s a ton of information available as to what Ron Paul supports. It doesn’t take the mind of Einstein to understand it but instead an open mind.

        • http://www.fether.net SaberTruth

          Islam is a cancer on humanity, and the only reason it has any power today is because of short-sighted politics in the last few decades which gave the radicals teeth. (Remember who we supported when the Russians invaded Afghanistan?) Their celebrations on 9/11 (including "peaceful" muslims) told us all we need to know about them. So I completely agree that Islam would love to have pulled this off.

          But the science, the conflicts of interest in the "investigators", and a hundred other things, not the least of which is violations of the laws of physics and denial of obvious controlled demolitions, tell me they didn't. I have yet to hear a believable excuse for the Pentagon being hit by so much as a weather balloon, or that any aircraft actually crashed in PA, etc. And nobody's denying that all those people died. That's why I want the Truth, because whoever set this all up deserves to be executed. And I don't care who it / they may be. But the worst thing we as Americans can do is deny the possibility that our own government could kill us for an excuse to motivate us to trade freedom for safety.

      • Ben

        What lies exactly?

        • Steve

          "What lies exactly?" Tell me some truths (some verities) Dr. Paul enunciates about the Middle East; about the Arab war against Israel in particular. Other than the Jews are the equivalent of the SS gestapo, keeping innocent Muslims in concentration camps. Or that there is no moral difference between Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah and Israel's Jews. Give me Dr. Paul's straight forward political views on the Middle East and the Arab-Israeli conflict. I see no honesty or truth in the man. Dr. Paul can't possibly be a Christian. Jesus (the Jew) would not know him or his anti-Semitic, (many of you) self-professed Christian supporters. I will wait for your response.

          • Ben

            You are anti-Palestinian. You love killing Muslims. Just remember turnabout is fair play.

    • http://www.themadjewess.wordpress.com Mad Jewess

      Saber, until you FLAKES can PROVE without a shadow of a doubt that Bush did 9/11, it is NOT THE TRUTH, it is a lie, a conspiracy, a fabrication.
      What makes you think, as well, that we do not love the Constitution just b/c we think Ron Paul is a jacka$$ when it comes to this 9/11 junk?

      • http://www.fether.net SaberTruth

        The "you flakes" attitude is exactly why those who pulled off 9/11 will never be brought to justice. I don't know who did it, but whoever it was is the real traitor, because they killed people. If anyone claims to be a real patriot, let them stop treating questioning the government as a crime; remember free speech? Stop the slandering of those who ask questions of their government, and I'll believe you "love the Constitution".

      • http://www.fether.net SaberTruth

        Calling people "flakes" means you don't care who really killed all those people, it just CAN'T be our own government. Is questioning the government unpatriotic? A crime? The real traitors are the ones who either planned 9/11 or helped cover up a LOT of evidence. But as long as the truth-deniers only call us names, what's the use of talking to them?

    • Guest

      Bush lied; People died! Fire can't melt steel! Bush is a moron with the brain of a gnat! Bush is a super-genius evil-doer! A missle hit the pentagon! Cheney gave the order to fire the missle!

      "Truthers" and Paulians should just admit they are right-leaning communists and join the democrat party with the rest of the mental midgets.

  • USMCSniper

    Ron Paul is a patriot of sorts, but when he opens his mouth, one either gets real constitutional wisdom or the rantings of a nutcase. Kinda like Sterling Hayden in Dr Strangelove, where everything makes sense right upo to the point until he says that the Communists are stealing our precious body fluids,

  • AvantiBev

    Why should anyone expect "the TRUTH". Islam is nothing but the lies of Satan whispered into the ear of a meglomaniac caravan driver in an Arabian cave 1400 years ago. The entire structure is based on lies that have killed millions of Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus and Buddhists and continues to kill from the Philippines to southern Thailand to Egypt to Armenia to Sudan and NIgeria. Liars and killers; Satan laughs at his useful idiots.

    "And in those days false messiahs and false prophets shall arise…" Matthew 24:23-26

  • William R

    Speaking of the military industrial complex how can we forget this notorious leftist!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY

  • Ben

    Oops I meant he doesn't blame America for carrying out 911. Of course America reaped what it has sown. Bad policy that have killed Arabs and Muslims was the catalyst for Bin Laden's actions on 911. So in a sense America is very much to blame. I can articulate specifics if need be.

    • Steve

      Bin Laden claimed the US occupies the land of 2 of Islam's holiest sites and Paul buys this rationale for the murder of 3 thousand innocent Americans?

      • Ben

        Sounds fair enough. The Texans would be pissed if Muslims occupied the Alamo.

  • AStarSpangledGirl

    Horowitz is the biggest moron I have seen in a long time.

    Apparently he has been exposed to the poppy industry of Afghanistan

    RON PAUL 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • AStarSpangledGirl

    PS…nice pick of images Horowitz…lol

    You are acting just like MSNBC only showing the RACIST signs at the Tea Parties when we know there were MANY MANY MANY more that didn't have to do with Racism.

    STOP SPREADING LIES HOROWITZ!!!!!!!!!!!

  • rustybuick

    Funny how Beck said at the top of the interview that he had absolutely no knowledge of Medina and then proceeded to ask her, a candidate for Texas govenor her opnion on 9/11…a subject untouched by Medina in her entire political history. While at the same time Beck’s got his tongue up the wazoo of Sarah Palin who herself called for further investigation into 9/11.
    Wake up stupids! The true constitutional candidate is always going to be battered by the Limbaughs, Becks, Hannypies and Horowitzs’ of the neo-con left.

    • Steve

      Having interviewed and expressed admiration for Dr. Paul in the past, Beck has a long way to go before I trust his judgment.

  • Charlie

    I am not a 9/11 Truther – the evidence isn’t there, and the assertion that the buildings were brought down by a “controlled demolition” is ridiculous.

    But some historical perspective is important on this. Sixty years ago, if someone, particularly a political candidate, had suggested that FDR was aware of the Pearl Harbor attack before it happened, wouldn’t he have been similarly laughed off the proverbial stage? Now it’s all but accepted as fact. A healthy dose of skepticism always has value.

  • Steve

    Oh, I see, you are also a friend of Israel's (and the God of Israel's) enemies. Because he supports ending the Federal Reserve.

    Adolf Hitler revived the German economy Linda. The German economy hummed under the Fuhrer's strong, guiding hand.

  • http://apexsolarsystems.com bob

    I think the Glenn Beck interview of Debra Medina exposed Beck as a shill, and also raises another question. What is acceptable for a candidate for public office to believe regarding 9-11? Are all candidates required to agree with the 9-11 Commission Report? That would seem to be asking a lot, especially considering what the Commissioners themselves have said about the 9-11 Commisssion:

  • Dave Worthington

    Why should we listen to someone like David Horowitz, shill for Israel? You didn't predict the banking burst, you didn't tell us not to go into Iraq, you merely serve your neocon/zionist masters by trying to tie Ron Paul to extremists groups in order to keep him on the fringe. We see through your dirty tricks. Those protesters were probably plants too.

  • badaboo

    Ron Paul need not be "tied " to extremists ……he embraced the Trufers " for whatever reason , he cast his lot with them and has made no attem,pt whatsoever to distance himself from them .
    80% of the muslim world says Bin Laden's been framed , they infer iot was Bush ,the Jews , Zionist plots , and it goes on .We should rub islams nose in the fact that 9/11 is the result of their own teachings , idiots like Paul give them the wrigglr room they need to continue to decieve . Much can be said for the incompetence and the complacensy that allowed 19 serial killers with boxcutters to accomplish what they did. The fact that civilised people will always underestimate savagry of barbarians played a role too , as no one thought that the planes would be intention ally crashed . Anyone who has doubts as to WQHO did this is an IDIOT .And anyone who spouts it , is a TRAITOR .

    • Steve

      I cannot disagree with what you've written here.

  • badaboo

    …and I dont care if some idiots think Ron Paul is the best thing since sliced bread , his position on 9/11 makes him a TRAITOR .
    Unfortunately Horowitz "fits " Paul into his statements on nebulus conspiracies ,trying to establish a connection with the Left , for the sake of his own political agenda , while seemingly minimizing the main reasons why Paul should be treated as a TRAITOR .

  • badaboo

    And apparently there sre some posters here who either haven't read the 9/11 Commission report , or have cherry pickeds portions of it , but like to quote it .
    Well the conclusion reached as to WHO committed tyhe act was confirmed without question by the Commission , 19 muslims under the order of Bin laden …which has in fact been admitted by bin Laden himself , yet these TRUFER idiots and traitors continue to expectorate their traitorous drivel .

  • Randall Matheny

    A cursory reading identifies several fallacies: Ad Hominem, Appeal to Emotion, Appeal to Fear, Appeal to Ridicule, Begging the Question, Burden of Proof, Circumstantial Ad Hominem, Guilt By Association, Hasty Generalization, Questionable Cause, Special Pleading, and last, but not least, as super-gargantuan Straw Man. It's fun looking at this stuff, but I can't do it on a full stomach. Conversely, one of the most rational thinkers in modern times is Ron Paul

    • badaboo

      Yea and lucky for the rest of the country , the fool Ron Paul has marginalized himself without any outside help .
      If he's a trufer , he's a traitor .
      Go to any islamic blog , they all love him . As for the Tea party , just a few more groups like the Birchers and trufers , and a few more speeches like Tancredo's "test for voting " and Farrah's theocracy America , and they'll be driving off the same cliff as Paul

  • NadePaulKuciGrav

    bachmann bbc beck blitzer bolton breitbart coulter cspan
    gutfeld hannity horowitz huckabee ingraham krauthammer
    kristol limbaugh malkin north npr oreilly palin perry
    rivera rove scarborough stossel susteren.

    The people do not trust the government nor media.
    We demand honesty & accountability re 9/11.

    Ventura Sheehan Perot Paul Nader Medina McKinney
    Kucinich Kaptur Grayson Gravel Gonzalez Clemente
    Choate Carter Baldwin Anderson.

    America where are you now?
    Don't you care about your sons and daughters?
    Don't you know we need you now?
    We can't fight alone against the monster

  • JAS

    Well that article brought the nutters out.

    • Guest

      To parody the well know candy commercial:

      Sometines you bring on the nuts;
      Sometimes you don't.
      Birthers and Truhters bring out the nuts,
      Ron don't.

      That's IMHO. You don't like this one, you'll have to get one of your own.

  • DJ

    Keep that neo con war wagon running! More blood for Israel! More fake paper money for Israel!

    And by all means let us not question anything the omnipotent state should tell us. It didn’t work out well for Winston Smith when he tried that.

  • http://www.throwthemout.com John Galt

    I don't know… is the author, Jeanette Pryor, a Neo-con or just an incompetent poli-sci failure with a dim, milk-like perception of life… or both?

    Kind of like Congress… are most of them criminal or just incompetent? Probably both?

  • philip hamstrug

    MSM is very scared of Ron Paul people these days cause he was right about everything he's ever said and makes sense cause the truth is never as complicated as the MSM makes it seem.

    Ron Paul or someone like him 2012!