Arizona Leads the Way Against Illegal Immigration


If you’ve been following the news from Arizona in recent days, you’ve probably heard that the state’s Republican governor, Jan Brewer, has just signed into law a “racist” bill that will punish Hispanics, stamp out civil rights, create a police state – and trample on the Constitution for good measure. You also may have heard that the Arizona law will “undermine basic notions of fairness,” at least according to President Obama, who has called the law “misguided” and ordered the Justice Department to find some way to challenge its standing.

Apocalyptic rhetoric notwithstanding, the Arizona law is not at all controversial in substance. All it does is deputize state police to determine whether people are in the country legally and to question them if there is reasonable suspicion that they’re not. Of course, that function should properly be handled by the federal government. But because the government has made so little effort to enforce immigration laws, border states that bear the brunt of illegal immigration – an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants call Arizona home – have been forced to take action on their own terms.

The concept behind the immigration law is straightforward: If you enforce laws against illegal immigration, you will have less of it. That was also the idea behind Arizona’s Legal Arizona Workers Act, which required the state’s employers to verify the immigration status of new hires using the federal government’s E-Verify program. Businesses eager to avoid the burdens of verification and pro-illegal immigration groups also opposed that measure, filing suit to prevent its passage, but emerging evidence seems to suggest that it had the desired effect: Since being implemented in January 2008, the LAWA has resulted in a substantial decrease of illegal immigration.

The new law seeks to continue that progress. It does so mostly by making state crimes what are already federal crimes. For instance, the Arizona law makes it a crime to be in the country illegally – in other words, it enforces the national law. The Arizona law also requires police to question people about their immigration status if they have reasonable cause to suspect that they’re illegal immigrants. To prevent abuse or racial discrimination, the law also includes provisions banning racial profiling, and the measure itself has nothing to do with race or ethnicity, as the bill’s foes claim. Still, given that the majority of the state’s illegal immigrants are from neighboring Mexico, it is inevitable that the majority of those targeted by the law will be Hispanic. That says more about the demographics of illegal immigration than the allegedly discriminatory agenda of Arizona authorities.

Concerns about the abuse of civil liberties are similarly overblown. The Arizona law will require anyone arrested for a crime to have their immigration status established before their release. In theory, this should already be the law of the land; but so-called “sanctuary city” laws enacted by cities and municipalities across the country have prevented police from enforcing immigration laws. Such laws certainly benefit felons who escape deportation. How they profit the country at large is less apparent. The Arizona law also requires residents to carry ID or immigration registration documents at all times. That too is reasonable. A valid ID is already required to qualify for government and public assistance programs available to citizens and requiring one form of valid ID – whether a drivers license a government-issue ID — hardly marks the onset of Nazi Germany. Indeed, no less than President Obama has previously expressed support for a national ID card.

While some have criticized Arizona for taking the initiative against illegal immigration, it’s hard to find fault with the state’s sense of urgency. Last month’s murder of Arizona cattle rancher Rob Krentz was just example of the crime problem that unchecked illegal immigration has helped create and the problems its poses for American justice. Although Kentz was known for providing illegals with food and water, police found tracks at the murder scene leading to the Mexican border. They made no arrests in the case. In that climate of lawlessness, the state cannot be blamed for passing a law that may help offer a solution. Moreover, with the Obama administration and Congressional Democrats threatening to take up immigration reform – that is, amnesty for the 11-million plus illegal immigrants in this country unmatched by serious enforcement measures going forward – states like Arizona are left with a choice of doing something to combat the problem or leaving it to the federal government to make it worse.

If there is an ugly side revealed by the Arizona law, it is in the extremism of pro-illegal immigration groups. On Monday, opponents of the Arizona law used refried beans to smear swastikas on the Arizona state Capitol. Another champion of illegal immigration, Mexican President Felipe Calderon, made the not-so-veiled threat that Mexican trade and political relations with Arizona would suffer if it cracked down on illegals.

Defying these opponents and braving slander in much of the press coverage, Arizona has taken the lead in enforcing the country’s immigration laws and protecting the rights and interests of its citizens. For the Left, the new law makes Arizona a model of an “American-style police state.” For those serious about border security and law enforcement, it makes it a model worth emulating.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

    It was a long time coming. Good on Jan Brewer and Arizona. All they need now is a tax on leftards!

    • bob

      A few years ago the mayor or Hazleton PA tried to make it illegal to hire or shelter an illegal (it was and is now illegal) It was overturned in the federal court as being unconstituional. The Arizona law mirrors Federal law. The only way it is not Constitutional is if the federal law is unconstitional.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

    I agree, Gary! Kudos to the people and government of Arizona!

    If we cannot control our borders as a nation, it falls upon the states to enforce laws that already exist. A nation that cannot, or will not, control its own borders is no longer sovereign.

    Of course, one of the problems that that illegal immigration proponents fear is the upsurge in state's rights.

  • nigel chatsworth

    It is nice to see that Front Page is taking a positive stand for controlling American borders and protecting us against invasion.

    It should be pointed out that the general policy of Jewish organizations and Jewish political leaders is to support unlimited immigration into the United States and Amnesty of illegals. Sen. Lieberman's support of the McCain-Kennedy amnesty was but one show of support for amnesty. In addition, Sen. Lieberman has been an proponent of massive immigration through H-1B Visas for technical workers from India to take American jobs.

    The only notable Jewish opponent of massive immigration and illegal immigration is Stephen Steinlight.

    Overall, Hispanics, African-Americans and Jews have D records in the Senate and Congress on immigration issues. Hispanics obviously want more political and economic control of the country. African-Americans vote for political power, even their African-Americans in low wage jobs suffer the most because of illegal immigration. Jews support walls and immigration for Israel, but vote against such measures for the United States. (I leave you to speculate on their motives.)

    • Irgun

      Yeah, Nigel, i read about that, in The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion. It's an insidious plot by World Jewry to take over the whole world. Well you can just bet they ain't got me hoodwinked, hiding behind all those Gernan last names and pretending to like eating cheeseburgers. Nosiree, they ain't gonna make me wear one of those tiny little funny round hats, mix my matza with Gentile blood and dance in circles. Keep blowin' the horn Nigel, keep blowin' that horn. By the way, Nigel, if you need the name of a great sturgeon that does foreskin re-attachment just let me know and i'll give you his number. His name is Steinberg but he's an okay guy. Just don't say anything about what we been talkin' about while he has the scalpel in his hand and you'll be okay. He's kinda touchy, know what i mean?

  • trickyblain

    States do not have the right to hold illegal searches.

    "Illegal immigration proponents." lol

  • trickyblain

    BTW: What's up with FPM's new "police state tactics"? Comments must be approved by the site administrator? One of the few things that made these forums entertaining was an open. real-time dialogue.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

    First, states do have the right to protect their own people. Do you know that Phoenix has the highest kidnapping rate in the United States? You do know that Mexican violence is spilling over the border into Arizona, right?

    The State of Arizona does have the right to arrest lawbreakers. An illegal alien is breaking the law. They should be arrested and charged for breaking the law. Simple, isn't it?

    Next, do you deny that there are people in the government who are proponents of illegal immigration? Ever heard of ACORN?

  • cochavi1

    Thanks for the bigotry, nigel, ol' chap. The bitterness of Her Majesty's subjects over the loss of Palestine to the 'yids' never ends, eh?

    In reality, 'some' American Jews support walls for Israel because over 1000 Israelis were murdered by wall-free Arabs between 2000 and 2002. Many other American Jews either don't care or actively oppose the walls.

    They support 'immigration for Israel'? Huh? You mean they support the Law of Return? Again, as a matter of fact many liberal Jews could care less – many of the same ones that oppose a wall in America.

    Maybe you'll be 'American' when you wash the Euro Jew-hate out of your system?

  • henry

    Mexicans are not so bad! The reason we have got to keep them from coming to our wonderful country is because even though they are hard working people, great Oil Money contributions are being made to various officials to keep these hard working Christians out of our country to make a lot more room for the flood of Muslim immigrants who bring in so much New Mosque Money, but I have an even more important thing to discus with you all: The Muslim Bible (yes, it is a Bible), The Koran – is very clear about how, when, and why a person who goes against what it orders all human to act like, are to be murdered (for example, trying to quit the Muslim religion or drawing a picture of Mohammad or tearing pages out of any Koran Bible). And, also, the Koran is very clear about how hard it is to get into heaven and how much your chances are increased if you were lucky enough to be killed while trying to murder these people who will not do what the Mighty Koran Orders them to do. Who ever dares to tell the truth about this book of murder and revenge and slavery, is very apt to end by seeing his or her family slowly murdered or raped right in front of his or her dying eyes. Anyone who would dare criticize the Koran and other Muslim Holy Literature, is either a Saint, or they are totally crazy. This is a Religion of Murder led by the God of Murder and the Prophet of Murder. This is how Islam is so successful. I don't blame anyone for being too afraid to tell the truth when a gun is pointed at ones whole family. And, I think we should all send all our spare money to those who do dare to tell the truth about the Muslims because they are saving all of us at great danger to themselves and their loved ones – even if they are crazy for doing it – these guys need money – please donate so that you do not have to put your family survival in deadly peril. If you don't want to do that, make a bumper sticker that reads, "The Koran says Murder is holy" Believe me, after a few attempts on your families survival, you will realize how much better off you would have been if you had donated liberally! Do it NOW before it is too late.

  • trickyblain

    I have no problem with arresting lawbreakers. The problem here is the method of arrest. The Constitution protects citizens from illegal searches – the first citizen that is detained, or asked for "papers," touches off a wide array of Fourth Amendment violations.

    ACORN is not a gov't entity. Believe it or not, I work on behalf of California businesses for a large, very (economically) right-of-center, organization. Both large and small business owners are among the most avid proponents of illegal immigration. And their elected representitives — Republicans in many cases — are sympathetic.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      All across the United States, officers will spot someone making an improper lane crossing, speeding, or having unsafe equipment on their car (like a broken windshield or non-functioning brake/turn light). The police officer pulls the offender over and, for the most part … I know, I used to do this! … informs them of the problem, and warns them to get it fixed.

      Now, at this point, the officer asks the driver for license, registration, and insurance information. All three are required by law in all 50 states. If the offender has everything in order, he is allowed to go.

      In Arizona, an officer may also ask for proof that the person is in the country legally … the infamous "green card", assuming that something else is wrong (like a lack of a driver's license). It's no big deal. Show the card, and you're all right. Don't show it, and you've violated the law (and I understand that it will be a felony).

      BTW, several posts ago, you had a good laugh at the phrase "illegal immigration proponents". Now, we find that you work for people that are "proponents" of it. Just curious … :)

      • trickyblain

        Yeah…well, they would never say they are "proponents." They would say they are simply trying to "reduce the cost of doing business in California.” ;)

        I guess the term sort of reminds me of calling people "pro-abortion." Or if I support the idea of an individual having the right to choose not to live their remaining days as a vegetable hooked up to machines, I am "pro-death." It takes a very complicated issue — with two legitimate positions — and reduces it to simple vilification.

        And as a former peace officer, can you not see the negative position this puts AZ law enforcement? They would be de-facto immigration officers; an entirely different (and conflicting) set of duties. Witnesses would be afraid to assist in investigations. People would be afraid to report crimes. Law enforcement would be seen as the enemy by a pretty big proportion of the population.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

          If the federal government would fulfill its obligation to protect the nation's borders, it would not be necessary to put state and local police into this position.

          As a former police officer, I can tell you that a large proportion of the population sees law enforcement as an enemy, anyway. It goes with the territory. Not that much would change.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

    I agree, Gary! Kudos to the people and government of Arizona!

    If we cannot control our borders as a nation, it falls upon the states to enforce laws that already exist. A nation that cannot, or will not, control its own borders is no longer sovereign.

    Of course, one of the problems that that illegal immigration proponents fear is the upsurge in state's rights.

  • http://go.to/megamerge Historyscoper

    No matter what Arizona does, it's just one state, and it can't make the failed state of Mexico or its pop. disappear, they're here to stay, and sharing the New World with Americans. Why go down the path tried in the Old World of turning the unsealable 2K-mi. U.S.-Mexico border into a militarized zone, and U.S. states into tense police states, when we can easily incorporate Mexico into the U.S. as 10+ new states for a win-win solution, as pop. and resources can finally freely mix, and the new bigger seabound border finally can be sealed against illegal immigrants and terrorists from overseas? To see how, study my nonpartisan 7-step Megamerge Dissolution Solution athttp://go.to/megamerge

  • ISABEL

    What is it that illegal immigrants don't get? Hello! "THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW".

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

    I'm not sure how that works, sometimes they have to be pre-approved, and sometimes they post immediately for me. I agree, it's very annoying, and counter to some of the best features of the site. I blame the jerks that abused it.

    Back in the mid-80s, before illegal aliens became so popular with Georgia's poultry industry and Georgia became so popular with illegal aliens, adults were required to carry a valid photo ID. If the cops wanted to be jerks (or the person they asked for one was being a jerk), they could arrest you if you couldn't produce one in public. It only became a 'problem' when the illegals started becoming a sizable part of the population. It's interesting how illegal aliens and legal immigrants along with our efforts to accommodate different cultures within ours have changed Georgia laws for better and worse.

  • Ron

    Again: ("Progressives" – Pay Attention, I know I need to go very slow for you!) – This has Nothing to do with "Race"! It has to do with people who break our laws on immigrating to this country to sneak across our borders, take our jobs, get free education and emergency room health care for themselves and their anchor "brats", etc.

    Most of them, in Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, California, etc., are from a Hispanic country: Mexico, Central America, etc.; however, not all of them are. "Hispanic" though is NOT a RACE, it is people joined by a common lanquage.

    They could be Black, White, a combination, whatever.

    There are also muslims who wish to kill us paying drug cartels to sneak them into the country.

    It doesn't matter to American's where you are from. If you can't follow the law and immigrate legally, we don't want you here. We don't want your Brats here. We don't want your second cousin here. You broke the Law: Either Go Home or Go to Jail. No Third Choice!!!

    RD

  • Democracy First

    Yes, because in their narrow self interest they want cheap labour. Between liberals wanting more left wing voters and key Republicans – but not the rank and file – thinking about profit, that's how the problem became so big.

  • Democracy First

    In fact, the supreme irony is that Canadians or any other white people illegally in the US would be deported a whole lot faster than Mexcians and most other Hispanics. Reverse racism, if you will.

  • badaboo

    WhWhy don't we all just cut to chase ??y don't we all just cut to the chase ????
    Wanna solve the illegal immigration problem , without all the hue and cry , which undoubtably is to continue ad nauseum ?
    ONE SIMPLE LAW !!! If we can get our wonderfull partisan government to agree to – a $50,000 dollar fine for every illegal or undocumented person under a company's employment .
    Problem solved

    • Jim C.

      Heck yeah badaboo!

      (Good luck finding the politician to say it!)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/kwg1 kwg1

    Stating the obvious! LOL If you infer by that, that the law in AZ doesallow illegal searches, you are also obvious! But uneducated is what is obvious. The entire law is available from the government of the state of AZ. Read it before you make more of these incorrect insinuations. Here is the language from the new sectio 8 of AZ Statutes: FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY
    21 OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS
    22 STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS
    23 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE,
    24 WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON. THE
    25 PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
    26 PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c).

  • trickyblain

    Reporting a crime is lawful contact. Bad news for local AZ police forces…

    And you did not include the part about an unauthorized person being guily of trespassing if he or she is "present on any public or private land in this state." So there you have your "reasonable cause" for "lawful contact."

  • trickyblain

    That would do it!

  • Democracy First

    Sure would.

  • Caesar

    I am hispanic and I support the bill. Illegal immigrants are destroying this country with the help of the democrats and American haters. California needs this bill and of course a new governor like that of Arizona.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      I take it that the response to your post indicates that those who gave you the "thumbs down" consider you a "race traitor".

      Thumbs up for you!

  • coyote3

    Uh, this has already been done. La Migra (of which I am an alumni) already has the authority to stop anyone, anytime, any reason (good, bad, or no reason at all) within 100 miles of the border, demand identification, question them, and search their persons, animals/vehicle, cargo, luggage etc. This isn't anything new. We did this all the time, for many years. Indeed, a lot of yuppy guerdos cried about it, but we kept jacking them up, just as we would did with the mojados. Kind of equal opportunity abuse. The Courts, so far, have condoned this actvity.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/HenryCrux HenryCrux

    illegal immigrants are certainly not destroying this country – but making it better – it is the legal immigrants that are destroying this country. For ever Mexican that come in here, however, it means that one more savage supported in part by oil money and got here legally by oil money, does not find the room to become a secret implant with an alien and hostile anti-democratic political/religious agenda. Just think a minute about it – Mexicans are as american as apple pie. Compare them with the Others.

    • davarino

      Come again. My head exploded trying to figure our what you were saying.

      Mexicans are good people, but they have to come here legally. Their "goodness" has nothing to do with it, they are breaking the law.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/HenryCrux HenryCrux

        Doesn't matter if Mexicans are good people or not (someone up there said – Darvino I think, But what does matter is what does matter, and that is that Muslims are moving into our country and they do not really regard our country as their country. Mexicans on the other hand all become excellent citizens in no time at all because the vast majority already have large families here (and like always did). So, why do any of you want potential suicide bombers to live next door to you instead of a Christian American? Duhhhhhh – think! We are going to have to import young workers because we aborted all our babies – it hast to be someone – so why not Mexicans? Why import hostility? Mexicans don't have any trouble becoming Americans – proven fact! Can you say the same for the religious savages?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      What?

  • Babs

    just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. For all the screaming about illegals being treated illegally, my father in law jumped ship (a merchant ship) back in the 50's. Most of his brothers and sisters had immigrated from Italy to the US. When he was caught, they shipped him back to Italy. Later, he applied for and was allowed to immigrate. He became a citizen in 1967. Also, those who came here, had to have a sponsor who would take care of them if need be, so the government wouldn't have to. how different it is now and I for one, do NOT want to pay for the care of someone here illegally. I am barely staying afloat taking care of myself.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-4435-Milwaukee-Progressive-Examiner Jerome

    "Reasonable suspicion" is a very vague definition to be used if it is to include something other then race, in terms of asking about immigration. Heck, even the governor of Arizona when asked to give a reasonable suspicion other then race, couldn't come up with an answer. This law is going to require even US citizens (even when not driving a car but look Mexican) to carry their "papers" with them at all times

    • Scott

      So what!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      We have to carry ID's on our person, and vehicle registration/insurance papers in our cars. No big deal, Jerome.

    • Joe

      Wake up Bubba – the law already requires ALL OF US to carry identification and surrender it to the police or other proper authorities when asked to present it. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR YEARS.

  • http://www.buyipadprotection.com/ipad-skins/earth-day-apple-ipad-skin/ iPad fan

    The Legal Arizona Workers Act, as amended, prohibits businesses from knowingly or intentionally hiring an “unauthorized alien” after December 31, 2007. Under the statute, an “unauthorized alien” is defined as “an alien who does not have the legal right or authorization under federal law to work in the United States.”

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/HenryCrux HenryCrux

    Jerome is correct, and, besides, we need workers here and taxpayers – do you think Muslims are going to fill in very well for all those aborted babies? Where are all the young people we need going to come from? Mexico, or Arabia – take you pick – but you don't often hear of a suicide-bomber Mexican do you?

    • davarino

      Hey I know, how bout neither?

  • badaboo

    Everyone KNOWS , this will not withstand Constitutional muster , so lets stop kidding ourselves . And dont go blaming DEMOCRATS , for the Republicans are just as guilty of sitting on their thumbs . McCain himself has done a number of about faces on this issue ….it's all a matter of alienating the hispanic vote for both parties AND STILL IS .Three Bush Administrations did NOTHING .Clinton did NOTHING , nor has anyone else . It's the votes stupid .

    A $50,000. dollar fine for ANY and every illegal or undocumented employee found in a buisiness' employ .

    THAT is the ONLY thing that will work , It's fair , it's non-partisan , the politicians will not loose any of their precious votes , and atleast 8 MILLION jobs will be created overnight .

    Sometimes COMMON SENSE is actually a viable option .

  • davarino

    Oh no, look out, you might get boycotted by San Fran…..hehehehe. Does California have any money left to spend. I would think san fran would like this, because now more of the illegals will go to cali…..hehehhe….enjoy.

    Oh and Mexico want to wiegh in as well. Gee what more can we do for you Mr Calderon? Ok we will stop trading with you, if thats what you want. Why dont you shut up and clean you own house.

    I like this governor. Way to go Jan, and the legislators in Arizona that pushed this law. Maybe the rest of you Repubs can learn a lesson from her. She has more cajones than most of the republican men.

    Now I wander if our ultraconservative governor here in Texas will do the same thing. He shot his mouth off earlier in the year about the 10th ammendment. How brave he was to say that he would do what ever the state felt was necassary, without DC concent. Ya he didnt start talking that way till just recently, just like nearly all republicans. Now all the sudden they are conservative.

    Well lets see it.

  • davarino

    Calm down dude. You will be able to prove your citizenship easily. Look either the FEDs can secure our borders or we have to do it this way, or as suggested, $50000 fine for anyone hiring illegals.

  • Jackson

    Isn't Affirmative Action a form of racial profiling? Why is it constitutional but the Arizona law ain't?

  • justin

    k… so i stop you for speeding and you're brown. Don't really care. I stop you for speeding and you don't understand me (notice I didn't say you speak spanish, i said you don't understand me, or you don't understand english, regardless of what color you are or language(s) you speak). Now I might ask for proof of citizenship. You can't provide me with identification. Now I'll almost certainly ask for proof of citizenship. You have 15 people in the car that have no id… i think i've made myself clear, and think these types of scenarios apply to any race.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      Fifteen people in a single car? I'm relatively certain that there aren't fifteen seats and fifteen pairs of seat belts in that car. That scenario would be asking to be stopped by the police, especially in the driver is speeding.

      If I can't communicate with the police officer, and I have not ID, plus there are fifteen people in the car (how many more in the trunk?), I deserve to be taken into custody, and everyone in the car needs to have their ID's checked, no matter what their race.

      Also, there is almost certainly reasonable cause for a drug or weapons search, in this scenario.

  • badaboo

    Arizona's Law will run straight into "probable cause " and "illegal searchg and siezure " , it simply will not hold up against the Supreme Court which will most certainly strike it down .
    Stiff fines and strict enforcement for hiring illegals is the only way to go . The only question we should ask ourselves is , "whose purpose will it serve [aside from the illegals ] NOT to impose such fines ?
    We are indeed at a crossroad with this problem , and there had better be some bi-partisanship in solving it , rather than the ongoing pissing contest going on between the two parties .

    • Democracy First

      But the Arizona law mirrors an extant federal one. If it's struck down, then so will the federal equivalent.

      However, we are all subject to "reasonable searches," i.e., produce ID, at airports, when stopped for traffic infractions, sometimes even when using a credit card. Is this all to be illegal? The court can define boundaries, leaving the law essentially intact while respecting law enforcement needs.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/HenryCrux HenryCrux

    Doesn't matter if Mexicans are good people or not (someone up there said – Darvino I think, But what does matter is what does matter, and that is that Muslims are moving into our country and they do not really regard our country as their country. Mexicans on the other hand all become excellent citizens in no time at all because the vast majority already have large families here (and like always did). So, why do any of you want potential suicide bombers to live next door to you instead of a Christian American? Duhhhhhh – think! We are going to have to import young workers because we aborted all our babies – it hast to be someone – so why not Mexicans? Why import hostility? Mexicans don't have any trouble becoming Americans – proven fact! Can you say the same for the religious savages?

  • badaboo

    You're absolutely right Henry , Mexicans are NOT our enemies , and they DO make good citizens .But when they enter the US and work illegally , they draw down wages , and use goods and services that legally employed Americans pay for . I say to Mexicans – WELCOME , but come in the front door , let us know who you are , you can then participate and contribute just like the rest of us . And uh , no , we dont "abort ' all of our babies , we simply have less children , for a number of reasons ranging from financial to selfishness , and with all the hue and cry about abortion , why do we make it so difficult for American families to adopt American babies ? Why should we even have to consider adopting children from other countries ? We have extremists who will burn abortyion clinics , murder abortionists , but where are organized programs to provide an alternative to abortion from the onset of an unwanted pregnancy to birth and subsequent adoption ?? The pro-life stance in this respect borders on hypocrisy , for all the animus and screaming about the act of abortion , I dont hear any pressuring of politicians to develop programs to save these children AFTER they are born .

  • davarino

    Well if the FED is unwilling to do their job and the illegals are desimating your state, what else are you going to do. The officers are supposed to uphold the law, right? So they have another dutie. Are you telling me that the police are not suppose to arrest someone for illegal drugs because that is DEA responsibility? Come on.

    And by the way, law enforcement would be seen as the enemy to only one group of people, and not the population as a whole. The population as a whole are fed up with their borders being overrun.

  • henry

    Dear badaboo, Maybe you don't understand how utilitarian I am being. I am thinking only of national survival and I meant to imply that good or bad – get the Mexicans in here because they will fill in the immigration slots that otherwise would go to Muslims very few of whom will ever really embrace democracy because their Bible the Koran is opposed to it as a matter of life and death FAITH – survival is better'n money. Ever hear of a Mexican suicide bomber? Yes, by all means, open up the border any way you can – every Mexican equals one less savage democracy hater. As for abortion – I don't care what people do – I just hate murder (which all abortions are) I don't care how many children you have as long as you don't murder them – who cares? Mexicans have babies and make good Americans. Open the Gates and let the sunshine in – but keep the savages out!

  • henry

    Dear badaboo, Maybe you don't understand how utilitarian I am being. I am thinking only of national survival and I meant to imply that good or bad – get the Mexicans in here because they will fill in the immigration slots that otherwise would go to Muslims very few of whom will ever really embrace democracy because their Bible the Koran is opposed to it as a matter of life and death FAITH – survival is better'n money. Ever hear of a Mexican suicide bomber? Yes, by all means, open up the border any way you can – every Mexican equals one less savage democracy hater. As for abortion – I don't care what people do – I just hate murder (which all abortions are) I don't care how many children you have as long as you don't murder them – who cares? Mexicans have babies and make good Americans. Open the Gates and let the sunshine in – but keep the savages out!

  • Larry D. Crumbley

    Hello,
    It looks like Arz. is leading the way in something else also Jacob, and that is the cause for the TENTH–AMENDMENT. It is high-time that the states start to go against this nations capital, and reassert there sovereign rights to do as they will to Gov. the people of the states that they are subjected to. They have an obligation to do this, and it must be done. For all the real-time "IDIOTS" out there that do not understand we are a people of the United States of America. One nation under God invisible with Liberty and Justice for all–(LEGAL RESIDENTS)-NOT ILLEGALS!!!! This is a Republic, not a Federalist nation. It is not up to the federal gov. to be able to tell the states there rights to protect there citizens, and as far as that goes—-"IF THIS SO-CALLED PRESIDENT REALLY TAUGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW HE WOULD REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS", BUT I FEAR THAT HE IS ONLY TALKING OUT OF THE CORNER OF HIS MOUTH WHEN HE STATES THAT HE TAUGHT LAW. It is so nice to pad your resume, and to lie about more than one issue out there when you are campaigning, and making outlandish statements to people in all 57-states.

  • henry

    What is horribly lacking in this sudden bright idea that legal immigration can be as bad as illegal immigration – is that because of Oil Money Bribes a great number of newcomers are Muslims who all worship a Bible which is absolutely divine and perfect and timeless that mandates holy murder, and the end of equal rights, freedom of speech, and real heartfelt friendships with the citizens of the new country unless they convert to Anti-Democratic Islam in short order! The Chances that your new next door neighbor is a suicide bomber are exactly zero if he or she is a Mexican illegal (but all of them would love to be legal if given a chance – not so with the believers in Koran Bible, the Koran tells them they were meant to rule the world and force every country they get into to become absolutely obedient to murderous anti-democratic laws written into the Koran Bible forever by God Himself. Fill the county up with Mexicans before it is too late! Every Mexican means one less of THEM.

  • Benso

    For all the outrage of the Mexicans for our treatment of their illegal immigrants into this Nation, somebody should train a light at their own procedures when other Central-Americans are traversing Mexico to reach USA.

    Hondurans, Salvadorians, Nicaraguans, Guatemalans, etc. are also illegal immigrants into USA, but to reach our shores, they travel by land though Mexico. That journey is extremely dangerous to them, as when the Mexican Immigration authorities and the police recognize them, they subject them to extremely cruel treatment, beatings and confinement. They report being robbed of anything they carry, and the women of all ages are routinely gang raped.

    I happen to do business in Mexico. One of my business associates there used to work for the Foreign Affairs Ministry of Mexico, and he told me with tears on his eyes how he quit after finding out what his people where doing to these illegal immigrants.

    There are many testimonies of the journey through Mexico, especially down in Miami where many live today.

    For the Mexican Government to be outraged by the way we treat their illegal immigrants, by the new Arizona Law is hypocritical and they should be called out on this.

  • henry

    YOU GUYS UP THERE! WHAT PART OF WE NEED IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ABORTION AND LOW SEX DRIVE DON'T YOU GET? – MUSLIMS WHO BELIEVE THAT GOD HATES DEMOCRACY AND LOVES HOLY MURDERERS ARE MOVING INTO OUR COUNTRY IN MASSIVE WAVES BECAUSE THEY HAVE ARAB OIL MONEY BRIBES BEHIND THEM, THEREFORE, IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO GET THESE NEW IMMIGRANTS FROM MEXICO BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY AND A GOD WHO HATES MURDER AND LOVES PEACE AND HATES SUICIDE BOMBERS – AND MUCH CHEAPER BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE HARD WORKERS (HOW MANY MUSLIMS TO YOU SEE PICKING OUR FRUIT? HOW MANY MEXICAN SUICIDE BOMBER DO YOU SEE? TO HELL WITH THE SO CALLED "LAWS", THEY ARE BOUGHT REGULARLY BY ARABIA – EVERY MEXICAN THAT COMES HERE MEANS ONE LESS POTENTIAL SUICIDE BOMBER — About whether they are legal Mexicans, or illegal Mexicans – if they are to replace Muslims, I say, " Two wrongs do not make a right – however, three left turns do." Best we had an American population that loves babies – but we DON"T – next best thing – Let the Mexicans in – OPEN UP THE FLOOD GATE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE! DO YOU LIKE HAVING AN ANTI-DEMOCRATIC POTENTIAL SUICIDE BOMBER FOR A NEIGHBOR, WHO THINKS THAT WORDS LIKE "LOVE YOUR ENEMY AS YOURSELF ARE THE STUPIDIST WORDS EVER UTTERED? DO YOU THINK WHAT I'M WRITING HERE IS INCORRECT? COME ON, YOU ALL KNOW WHATS TRUE.

  • TAKE BACK AMERICA

    HENRYCRUX – "but you don't often hear of a suicide-bomber Mexican do you? " " Mexicans are as american as apple pie" << LMAO ARE YOU JOKING???

    WHEN IT COMES TO THEM TAKING JOBS – - THEY DO THE MULE WORK THAT DOES NOT TAKE MUCH BRAIN FUNCTION

    OKAY YOUR ILLEGALS ARE THE ONES RAPING LITTLE GIRLS, STEALING, KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE THEN RUNNING BACK TO MEXICO, DIRTYING OUR STREETS.
    THEN LOOK AT ALL THERE GANG MEMBERS IN L.A.

    TAKE A LOOK AT AMERICAS MOST WANTED WHAT RACE DO YOU SEE THE MOST OF http://www.amw.com/fugitives/ << CHECK OUT THE TOP STORY

    IF YOUR GOING TO STICK UP FOR ILLEGALS YOU CAN PISS OFF!!!

  • TAKE BACK AMERICA

    OH YEAH HERE IS ANOTHER WEBSITE TO CHECK OUT

    THE DARK SIDE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATIONhttp://www.usillegalaliens.com/
    SEE WHAT THEY ARE REALLY DOING TO OUR COUNTRY!!

  • henry

    Well! Matter of opinion I guess – when you have illegal drug trafficking and horrible poverty, you get such situations, however, knowing the working community (which are the ones I am hoping will get amnesty) they are not the criminals who are hired by business men who enlarge their books by selling to those who like chemical happiness. If they are working, and if they have family here (most do) they are alright in my experiences with them as a drug and alcohol counselor. I don't think Muslims or Mexicans are genetically bad, it is just the Koranic religion that clearly speaks against freedom and democracy that worries me. If one follows a perfect book that loves being superior to other religions and people on a physical level – big trouble is bound to develop. Bigger than any problem we have had with Mexicans.

  • Werdna

    If it is important for us to have immigrants in the country, maybe the process of documenting them should be made easier.

    • henry

      Andrew/werdnA – I would recognize you anywhere by your clear thinking and good sense.

  • henry

    Werdna – Andrew – I would recognize you anywhere cuz your writing is so clear and down to earth – keep up the sane work, Love, HenryCrux

  • henry

    Werdna – Andrew – I would recognize you anywhere cuz your writing is so clear and down to earth – keep up the sane work, Love, HenryCrux