Iran’s Proxy Powder Keg

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July 12, 2010 marked the fourth anniversary of Israel’s Second Lebanon War.  In the intervening years, Hezbollah has made significant political and military gains in Lebanon.  The rise in the paramilitary terrorist organization is likely due to three key factors: to Israel’s failure in 2006 to completely destroy Hezbollah’s infrastructure, the perceived weakness of the Obama administration as a result of its appeasement of Iran and Syria, and the failure of the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) to implement UN resolution 1701.

The war came about as a result of continuous provocations against Israel by Hezbollah, which culminated on July 12, 2006 when a squad of Lebanese-Shiite Hezbollah terrorists, funded and directed by Iran, crossed the Israeli border and ambushed two Israeli Defense Force patrol jeeps. Amidst the fray, roadside explosives were detonated and eight Israeli soldiers were killed.  During that same raid, Hezbollah kidnapped two Israeli reservists: Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev, whom they either murdered or denied medical care.  Simultaneously, Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets at northern Israel communities.

Iran continues to use the Lebanese arena as a military lever against Israel, one which threatens to explode in a third war — albeit, a more all-engulfing regional conflict.

To divert attention from the Iranian Islamic Republic’s rejection of Western demands that Iran negotiate an alternative to its uranium enrichment, Iran ordered Hezbollah terrorists to attack Israeli soldiers. CNN reported on June 5, 2006 that, “In a move aimed at ending the diplomatic standoff (over Iran’s nuclear program) the five veto-wielding members of the UN Security Council, along with Germany, agreed to a ‘set of far reaching proposals’ that will form the foundation for resuming talks with Iran.” The war that began in earnest six days later in Lebanon between Hezbollah – an Iranian proxy also supported by Syria – and Israel did indeed shift attention away from Iran’s disregard of the proposals made by the UN Security Council permanent members.

In the aftermath of the 2006 Second Lebanon War, UN Security Council Resolution 1701 was passed.  It prohibited Hezbollah from rearming, and called for the Lebanese army to deploy 15,000 troops in South Lebanon.  It charged the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) with the responsibility to implement the resolution.

In the ensuing years, Iran has shipped thousands of advanced missiles to Hezbollah – with the transfers being carried out by Syria.  While UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon is on the record as having said that Hezbollah’s existing stockpile of rockets was in violation of Security Council resolutions, Agence France Presse reported on July 2, 2010 that the UN warned of renewed violence between Hezbollah and Israel following accusations that the Shiite militant party had received sophisticated missiles. “Amidst allegations of continued arms transfers to Hezbollah… a perceptible increase in tension between the parties was noticeable said the UN Secretary General in a report, a copy of which was obtained by AFP in Beirut.”  No course of action by the UN, however, was announced.

In April 2010, Syria delivered truckloads of long-range Scud missiles to Hezbollah in clear violation of UN Resolution 1701.  These Scud missiles can reach deep into Israel – as far south as Beersheba.  While this delivery may not have changed the strategic balance between Israel and Hezbollah, according to some Israeli military experts, it has certainly raised the tension level. No course of action was announced by Ban Ki-Moon at this time either.

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  • Graham

    Don't SCUDs need special wheeled launching systems in order to fire?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scud#Operational_use

    I don't think Hezbollah could use those unless they smuggled the platforms in.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

    "Local Health Club that fits your workout Style ? "

    I'd be interested in knowing just what "workout style" would suit "CrystalMethz". Yoga? Maybe not? Pilates? Paints an interesting picture.

    "Then our gym directory will point you in the right direction towards your nearest local gym."

    Any of our contributers in Sydney,Melbourne,Perth or Adelaide give us the lowdown on the nearest local gym.

    Muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "Do not spare your enemies "
    "What is the real Moral High Ground? It's not mercy toward those who show you none. For governments it is about doing their duty by protecting their citizens. For soldiers it is about serving as the protectors of the home front."

    Neither spare your enemies mothers,wives,children ,friends nor dogs.Don't spare the national infrastructure.The event that sparked the Israeli onslaught resulting in 1,500 dead innocent Lebanese civilians and colossal destruction to Lebanese infrastructure was a legitimate and successful military operation by Hezbollah units against the IDF resulting in several IDF dead,not a terrorist attack against innocent Jewish civilians.Just goes to show that after two thousand years Jews do not deserve to have their own state.Funny how they can run huge multi national corporations and other state civil services but lack the civility and rule of law of the Western liberal democracies.Maybe in another two thousand years under the mentoring of western governments.Maybe.Muchiboy

    • New Yorker

      It was not as you put it "a legitimate and successful military operation by Hezbollah units against the IDF". It was an act of aggression emanatingv from the neighboring state of Lebanon. The fact that it was launched by a "no-state" entity is of no consequence. Israel had all the right to punish Lebanon and hit it until the threat was entirely removed. That Israel did not finish the job in 2006 is regrettable. But make no mistake, this will be corrected in the most profound way in the next war which is not far away. The "innocent Lebanese civilians" will pay the full price for their complicity in making Hizbollah (or whoever) run their country. Those who allow their country to be used for aggressive purposes deserve the punishment and suffering that will become their lot in the ensuing war.

      As for you conclusions to whether the Jews deserve to have their own state – they are entirely stupid and irrelevant.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MixMChess MixMChess

      "Neither spare your enemies mothers,wives,children ,friends nor dogs.Don't spare the national infrastructure."

      As you know but conveniently ignore, Israel goes out of its way to avoid civilian deaths, often valuing the lives of civilians over those of its own soldiers. Israel dropped leaflets and warned towns of any raids days before attacks to expressly avoid civilian casualties.

      "The event that sparked the Israeli onslaught resulting in 1,500 dead innocent Lebanese civilians and colossal destruction to Lebanese infrastructure was a legitimate and successful military operation by Hezbollah units against the IDF resulting in several IDF dead,not a terrorist attack against innocent Jewish civilians."

      Do you seriously just pull facts out of thin air? Even the UN employees (employed by Hezbollah mind you) found that 500 of those killed were Hezbollah fighters. Of the other 1,000 it was unclear who was associated with Hezbollah since Hezbollah went out of its way maximize Lebanese civilian deaths. The UN’s humanitarian chief, Jan Egeland, noted that: "Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending… among women and children. I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this.”

      By the way, roughly 43 Israeli civilians were murdered by Hezbollah rockets and over 121 IDF soldiers died in the operation.

      "Just goes to show that after two thousand years Jews do not deserve to have their own state."

      If the rule of law of western liberal democracies is your test for statehood, than Israel far exceeds all qualifications whereas every single Arab/Islamic nation including the Palestinians fail miserably in every aspect. I guess its time to dismantle Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Lebanon, Egypt, Hamas, Fatah and any so-called Palestinian statehood?

      "Funny how they can run huge multi national corporations and other state civil services but lack the civility and rule of law of the Western liberal democracies."

      Adolf and the Grand Mufti would be proud of you.

  • Chezwick_Mac

    If Israel or America decide to attack Iran's nuclear facilities, Tehran will surely order Hezbollah to begin retaliatory rocket attacks against Israel. The plan is to garner broad global support by coloring Iran's conflict with the West with an 'Israel vs Muslim world' hue.

    Iran has absolutely no reticence in seeing Lebanon destroyed by Israeli retaliatory strikes. In fact, it would painlessly serve Iran's interest. There is no real deterrent value in Israel's ability to destroy Lebanon.

    Israel's best hope for deterring Hezbollah's rocket barrage is a warning to SYRIA that an attack by Hezbollah on Israel will be perceived by Tel Aviv as having emanated from Syria…and that it will necessitate an overwhelming response.

    Syria has been the conduit for Iranian missiles to Hezbollah…and Syria is the one power on earth – besides Iran – with influence over Hezbollah. Syria must be made to understand that there will be a steep price to be paid for unleashing Hezbollah. Such a policy shift in Tel Aviv would go a long way to enlightening the Syrians that their interests and those of Tehran do not necessarily coincide.

  • Esther Haman

    Leonanie's, Syrians, Palestinians, Jordanian and Iranians all have un-alienable right under the UN charter to defend themselves in the face of the Zionists aggression and expansion. This year alone we have seen how the Zionists are willing and able to kill unarmed civilians. Before that we saw their atrocities in Gaza and th e"Goldstone" report by the UN and before that invasions of Lebanon and massacre at "Shabra and Shatila", etc etc.

    With the umbrella of 200+ nuclear A-bombs the Zionists have managed to committee ethnic cleansing in Palestine for over 50 years and no one in the west has said a thing or done a thing to stop it. How can anyone defend this rogue apartheid state with this history.

    Even these days we are witnessing Palestinian houses being demolished and Jewish expansion in to the occupied territories continue despite the international law.

    enough is enough.

    • New Yorker

      Goebbels or your neighborhood stone-age imam could not have said it better.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

      You are a Ham, no doubt about it, unbelievable………………………….William

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MixMChess MixMChess

      "Before that we saw their atrocities in Gaza and th e"Goldstone" report by the UN and before that invasions of Lebanon and massacre at "Shabra and Shatila", etc etc."

      How did Israel commit an atrocity in Gaza when the majority of those killed were terrorist members of Hamas? By the way, learn your history Israel wasn't responsible for Sabra and Shantilla, that was the ARAB Phalangists.

      "With the umbrella of 200+ nuclear A-bombs the Zionists have managed to committee ethnic cleansing in Palestine for over 50 years and no one in the west has said a thing or done a thing to stop it."

      Israel doesn't engage in ethnic cleansing, that is the job of the Arabs. In fact, Palestinian populations have grown exponentially since Israel acquired the W.Bank and Gaza increasing by 84% over the past 10 years alone.

      "How can anyone defend this rogue apartheid state with this history."

      How can anyone defend the neo-Nazi Palestinians?

      "Palestinian houses being demolished and Jewish expansion in to the occupied territories continue despite the international law."

      The destruction of illegally built Palestinians structures is completely legal under domestic Israeli law as well as established principles of international law. Israel isn't expanding into any territory, it withdrew completely from Lebanon, Gaza and parts of the W. Bank, even though under international law Israel was legally allowed to occupy all of those territories.

    • Olivepit3

      "Rogue apartheid state"
      Said by an apologist for Islamic terrorists. We have Israel which is the only democracy in the Mideast trying to defend itself from Mideast dictatorships which rule Gaza and the West Bank not to mention Egypt, and Jordan and Syria.
      The fact that Iran which has pounded, murdered and raped its own civilian population to allow the Mullah's total control, finance and arm Hizbolla and Syria, now attempt to control Lebanon by assasination of its political leaders is the Mideast all over again.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

    "Israel had all the right to punish Lebanon and hit it until the threat was entirely removed."

    I don't entirely disagree,NY'er.Israel,as much as I loathe the country,has an obligation to react and protect her people.But it is becoming increasingly clear that the rules of war are undergoing an upgrade as our civilization progresses.We have heard more of the concept of "proportionality" vis a vis retaliation against another waring state.This argument is not new,and was a concern with the Allied fire bombings against German cities in WWII in retaliation for the German bombings of Coventry as well as the use of nuclear weapons against Japan

    "That Israel did not finish the job in 2006 is regrettable"

    Neither will the next war,nor the one after that,finish the job,as you say.Your guilty citizenry,as well as the innocent citizenry of your neighbors,will continue to die for your sins and crimes against them.Embrace your victims,and they may let you live in peace amongst them.

    "whether the Jews deserve to have their own state – they are entirely stupid and irrelevant."

    maybe,but " Anyone knows an ant, can't,move a rubber tree plant…."

    Muchiboy

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MixMChess MixMChess

      "Embrace your victims,and they may let you live in peace amongst them."

      This is interesting because in all reality, the Palestinians should be getting on their hands and knees and collectively beg every Israeli citizen for forgiveness for the over 60 years of murder, rape, terrorism and neo-nazi antisemitism. Then, and only then, should the Israelis even consider allowing the Palestinians to live in peace side by side with them.

    • New Yorker

      "Israel,as much as I loathe the country"

      This shows to the extent as to make your comments nearly idiotic.

      "But it is becoming increasingly clear that the rules of war are undergoing an upgrade as our civilization progresses."

      What's clear is that these "rules" are curiously selective and not becoming any less so.

      "This argument is not new,and was a concern with the Allied fire bombings against German cities in WWII in retaliation for the German bombings of Coventry as well as the use of nuclear weapons against Japan"

      Put in the historical context those actions were entirely justified and proportionate. Any argument to the contrary is an exercise in historical revisionism.

      The next round may indeed bring about some resolution as it won't be limited to setting score with Hezbollah only.

      "Anyone knows an ant, can't,move a rubber tree plant…."

      What's that supposed to mean?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

    Hezbollah, Hamas or whomever Israel is at war with Iran and the entire Muslim
    World, probably toss in Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Muchitown and
    it's a wrap with leftists ala. Obama & Co……………..If Israel was capable of getting
    rid of them all the World could have a chance to live in peace and prosper……….
    We will take what we can get whenever but after November Israeli prospects
    will get better, I and millions of Americans are on Israel's side……………William

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

      "If Israel was capable of getting rid of them all the World could have a chance to live in peace and prosper"

      What you really mean is all the world could have a chance to live….whatever….on Israel's terms,which isn't the same as in peace and prosper.Zionism as an idea may have been noble,but in it's implementation was arrogant and immoral.

      "We will take what we can get whenever"

      That is very apparent since the beginning.It is the thinking and actions of the psychopath,of the school yard bully.Making facts on the ground when that ground belongs to another,especially one that was defeated,vulnerable and has been victimized,is unconscionable,and not excused by the arrogance of denial.

      Muchiboy

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

        The victim is you muchiboy, you've been X'd in the head………………as I
        think you are fun stick around, you are astounding in a Saturday Night Live
        kind of way, well that may be over statement, lets say Saturday morning
        cartoons……………………Regards,………………………………….William

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

        How can and inocuous comment be deleated instantaniously by the
        administrator, without even time to read it, how is it possible, is
        Muchiboy the administrator, Siamese twins, what gives, is it verboten
        to reply to muchiosity………………………William

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

          "How can and inocuous comment be deleated instantaniously by the
          administrator, without even time to read it, how is it possible, is
          Muchiboy the administrator, Siamese twins, what gives, is it verboten
          to reply to muchiosity…"

          I think it's some kind of bug in the program,William.I'm sure the admin is aware of it and hopefully will improve in time.Muchiboy

      • New Yorker

        "Zionism as an idea may have been noble,but in it's implementation was arrogant and immoral."

        And who are you to the judge on moral issues?
        The implementation of Zionism was no more arrogant than implementation of national aspirations anywhere in the world.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

          "Zionism was no more arrogant than implementation of national aspirations anywhere in the world."

          Not quite,NY'er.There are strong elements of colonialism in the implementation of Zionism,and the fact that it was implemented at a time when we should have known better,and when colonialism was being de-constructed elsewhere,is relevent here.Muchiboy

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/MixMChess MixMChess

            There are NO elements of colonialism in the philosophy or implementation of Zionism. You are peddling a common Arab propaganda myth. Jews who moved to the region never represented an alien colonizing power and did not plunder the land for any foreign colonial power. Jewish immigrants did not take land by land through aggression, they legally purchased tenant-free and vacant land. Jews did not impose Judaism on the local Arab population.

            The only alien colonizers in the region are the Arabs who moved from surrounding countries to the land of Israel after the Jews rebuilt the land and raised the standard of living. In fact, the entire pro-Palestinian movement is based on Arab and Islamic colonization of Jewish land.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "There are NO elements of colonialism in the philosophy or implementation of Zionism"

            I beg to disagree,MixMChess.I spent five years ,three as a soldier,in Rhodesia.Now that was a colony.And I don't listen to a lot of Palestinian propaganda.I likely hear and read more Israeli and Jewish biased propaganda.There was a lot of sympathy and admiration for Israel among Rhodesians including the Security Forces.I wasn't one.Indeed,shortly before the settlement a friend and member of our SAS squadron planned to join the IDF.Me,I planned on joining PLO.We said our good byes and promised if we ever faced one another there to look the other way.Anyway,as my china said not so long ago "life got in the way"and it never happened.Thank God.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            It's pointless debating Muchiboy. What matters is which side you are on. As you said below you wanted to join the PLO. That explains it all. Reasoning is fruitless. In the end it's either we or them.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "In the end it's either we or them."

            No,NY'er.In the end,it is and always has been us,humanity.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            Humanity is not a homogenous body as you may want to make me believe. Throughout history there were and are vicious and murderous attempts to make it so, to impose uniformity through submission. And this is what Israel as a country is up against. Just like the Dutch who are so adept in their struggle to prevent the sea from overwhelming their little country, so are the Jews who had to survive thousands of years of murder and subjugation only to find themselves, in their newly re-established state, trying to stay alive and prosperous in the ocean of savagery. Yes it is the state of Israel against the savages who, in wave after wave, try to overwhelm the Jews in Israel, greatly helped and assisted in that by the world leaders who happened to be "concerned" with the "palesinian" plight. It especially is true with the Europeans whose final solution 70 years ago did not come to fruition. They want a revanche, but without dirtying their own hands.

          • New Yorker

            As for the savages, they don't particularly care whom to murder as long as they murder. They tend to concentrate their efforts on the Jews at the moment. But they may also claim many great successes murdering their own as well as other "infidel" as evidenced throughout the world. That's your humanity Muchiboy. It has always been like that. It is easy to blame the jew for he is seemingly there to provide a ready target. But in the end, again, it will always be us against them, and there is nothing you can do about it. Neither your wishful thinking nor loathing will change this fact.

            You said you fought in Rhodesia. Same story. However imperfect the Rhodesian society was before the country was given up, what came in its place was immesurably worse. The savagery won. This is also a hard fact.

            I am wondering why didn't you join the PLO after all? What stopped you from making that giant step on your way to help the progress?

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "What stopped you from making that giant step on your way to help the progress?"

            Like my china said,life got in the way. Marriage,kids,dogs,etc.It would have been interesting,because what got me in trouble in Rhodesia,what gets me in trouble on FP,what gets me in trouble in my workplace (Federal Prison) would have got me in trouble in the PLO.As paradoxical as it may seem,I would have had no hesitation in counseling my son to join the fight against Nazism.And Henri,my china,who would have joined the IDF,but for "life",as did others of my unit,is an honorable man as he was an honorable soldier.I could not condemn him nor them for their choices.Life,but for a few instances,is seldom black and white,but more complex and subtle.The Israel/Palestine debate is no exception.Muchiboy

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "But in the end, again, it will always be us against them"

            I think like Kurtz in Conrad's Heart of Darkness or the Green Beret Colonel, Walter Kurtz in Coppola's Apocalypse Now the danger is our very own heart of darkness, and it exits in all of us,like original sin.So really,it is even more complex then your "us against them",but rather us against our selves.The answer to our problem may lie where the problem originates,our own hearts,and those of Israeli's and Palestinian.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            The complexity is in "us against them" when I chose to identify with a certain side in the conflict. And not everything originates in my heart. There is also your heart and someone else's heart. And there are certain truths – facts – that exist outside of the realm of my heart influence. When someone's heart calls for silencing my heart it is getting as simple as that. Konrad's Heart of Darkness may be a wonderful example of literature but it is generally of little help when one is faced with physical extermination.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "Konrad's Heart of Darkness may be a wonderful example of literature but it is generally of little help when one is faced with physical extermination. "

            Yea,kinda like engaging a tiger in the meaning of life as he's ripping you to pieces.Nazi's maybe a little less ferocious but likely the result will be no different,just more civilized less dignified.Don't know about Hamas,maybe offer them land and dignity.The amount of land depends on the offer of dignity.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            Hamas and dignity? Al-Qaeda and dignity? Islam and progress? Do they murder all over the world because of the lack of land? Or perhaps their kind of "dignity" is kept alive by never ending murder and the myth of their greatness and the subservience to their cult? Just like any thug's dignity would depend on the level of brutality toward the ones he or she tramples upon? Hamas is just a drop in the sea of savagery. It is a primitive insignificant congregation of thugs who got all that attention chiefly through its savagery toward the Jews. Hamas is no less brutal to the arabs who happen to disagree with them. But how much coverage does it get? Who cares about it? Who wants to know? It is a cesspool no one wants to be near.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "Hamas and dignity? Al-Qaeda and dignity? Islam and progress? "

            Dignity should never be out of the equation,NY'er.At the very least,it should be understood,like a constant.There is a reason for Hamas,one being that PLO and the supporting Arab states were unsuccessful in resolving or addressing Palestinian grievances,and like it or not many of the core grievances can be laid at the feet of the Zionists and present day Israel.The worm turns ,as it were.

            "It is a cesspool no one wants to be near."

            By your very own choices and actions,and here I assume you are both Jewish and a Zionist,you elect "to be near".Zionism is one part of the equation as is Hamas.You cannot escape it,only acknowledge and resolve however possible.And as we have seen,to the frustration of some,the equation is ever more complex,with increased media attention,shifting political alliances,etc.It never was,and is even less so today,only between the Jews and Palestinians.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            "There is a reason for Hamas,"

            Sure there is. Every thug has one. Nazies wanted lebensraum. Muslims want theirs. They just hate the idea that a small non-islamic state is infinitely more prosperous and advanced, being as it is in their very midst. Their grievances? Is it Israel's fault that over half of the population in the surrounding arab-muslim countries illitirate? Is it Israel's fault that all of them have a lousy standard of living drowning in their own sewage? Is it Israel's fault that they disposessed hundreds of thousands of their productive former jewish citizens and made them flee for their lives? They can't forgive Israel for succeeding where they failed. It irks them. They want domination through the imposition of their medieaval islamic cult on everyone around and it offends their "dignity" that a tiny non-islamic state is able to withstand their onslaught. THis is their grievance.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            I have little interest in the Arab world,even less the Muslim world,NY'er.My interest lies with Zionist Israel and the occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people.Doubtless the presence of millions of Jews,many European refugees or immigrants and their decedents,is a mixed blessing.Right the wrongs of Zionism if you want to live in peace and prosperity among the Arabs.If not,prepare to face the Roman legions.Be magnanimous in your peace offers,not forgetting your humble and tenuous beginnings. Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            "I have little interest in the Arab world,even less the Muslim world"

            "My interest lies with Zionist Israel and the occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people"

            The above sentences actually contradictions. The "palestinian " people are no other than arabs. The arabs are true immigrants and thus occupiers. As for their oppression by the Zionists, it is pure nonsense made to sound like a drama. A fifth of those who live in Israel are Arabs. A big screaming zero of those who live in the neighboring Arab states are Jews just like it is so in Gaza and how the Arabs want it to be in Judea and Samaria and elsewhere. So please do not preach this "occupation and opression" thing to me.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "So please do not preach this "occupation and opression" thing to me. "

            Then prepare for the legions.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            "Right the wrongs of Zionism if you want to live in peace and prosperity among the Arabs"

            I don't live my life in order to please others. They don't like the way I live it – tough luck. I am not telling anyone how they want to live and not accepting any one's "recommendations" on how to live mine. The same applies to Israel. It is Israel who gets attacked and being wgaed war on. It is Israel wher bombs explode on the buses and the cafes. It's the Jews who are being routinely called monkeys and pigs by the arab muslim ("palestinian") preachers – not the vice versa . This is the way things are. Not any other way.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "I am not telling anyone how they want to live.."

            Oh? The collective "you" occupied Palestine,carried out an effective regime of ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people that proceeds to this day,refuses the right of return of the legitimate occupiers of the land while settling thousands of foreign borne Jews,and you say "I am not telling anyone how they want to live ".Muchiboy

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "I don't live my life in order to please others. "

            Sure you do,NY'er.To some extent we all do,unless you're an anarchist or an ogre.As an example,even in America,and now a liberal America,there are policies that maybe you don't approve ,but as a member of the American society,you live with it,even pay your part of the taxes that pay for it.There are numerous other examples,including family matters,work obligations,etc.
            And,really,no one is asking you to live your life to please others,only to live your life for the good of others.Religions and moral codes usually place an obligation on its adherents to treat others with respect.In most societies,and certainly the western ones,we value empathy,teamwork,altruism,etc,seemingly at odds with your "I don't live my life in order to please others. They don't like the way I live it – tough luck" attitude.
            Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            A pseudo-intelligent nonsense.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

          "And who are you to the judge on moral issues?"

          I'm Muchiboy. Muchiboy

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

            Strange enough old Muchiboy my zinging reply is somewhere and
            I saw it on another web page but it escaped me also, I was stating
            with a neat barb as it should be in dueling ideation that you are fun
            as in a Saturday Night Live kind of way, Oh! maybe overstatement and
            only Saturday morning cartoons, don't be so X'd in the head……………………………………William

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

            Unreal, my zinging replys are murdered immediately, faster than a
            speeding bullet………….Oh well so much for satire…….W

          • muchiboy

            " Unreal, my zinging replys are murdered immediately, faster than a
            speeding bullet………….Oh well so much for satire…….W"

            Try copying your reply so you can repost it later,sometimes immediately after.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            Baboon is a fine mammal too.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

            "Baboon is a fine mammal too"

            And a formidable foe,powerful and armed to the teeth,one might say.My police reserve troop had a unique encounter with a Baboon troop on the African veld,us going east,armed with FN's,they going west,armed to the teeth.Neither troop realized it till we were passing each other,in amongst one another.Like seeing your primitive (primate) past pass by you.Unsettling.We are still them.Muchiboy

          • New Yorker

            You are – not me.

  • flaedo

    dont argue with him – hes a freaking git. worst part is he's from australia, like me. l'm afraid we've got a lot of socialist scum down here

  • Edip Yuksel

    Americans are tired of financing Israeli's aggression and occupation. The American economy is bankrupt and it is time to let Israel take care of itself. I am furious that my tax money is used to fund the bloody Israeli military. No more welfare for the Zionist regime, the enemy of both Jews and Arabs, whose aggression may provoke another disaster against Jewish population. May God protect humanity and Jews from blood thirsty Zionists.

    Peace,
    Edip

    • New Yorker

      What did you eat?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/muchiboy muchiboy

        "What did you eat?"

        Not kosher for sure.Maybe Halal? Muchiboy

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MixMChess MixMChess

      "Americans are tired of financing Israeli's aggression and occupation. "

      Actually, as an American I am tired of financing Palestinian's aggression, hatred, xenophobia and antisemitism. Why is Obama sending $400 million to these terrorists?