Divine Divestment

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Chicago-area United Methodists last month voted to divest from companies doing business with Israel, including Caterpillar and General Electric. A few weeks later, in July, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), whose annual convention was outside Chicago, appreciatively gave the Northern Illinois Conference of United Methodism its Interfaith Unity Award. 

“At the national level, the Islamic Society of North America has found a close ally in The United Methodist Church,” ISNA’s program cooed, “both working together in campaigning for social justice, peace and equity.” No doubt.  Apparently ISNA did not specifically cite the Chicago-area United Methodist stance against Israel.  But presumably this policy only enhanced ISNA’s commendation for United Methodism’s “remarkable” solidarity.

Of course, no direct mention was made during the award ceremony of ISNA’s having been named in 2007 as an unindicted conspirator in the Holy Land terrorist financing case.  According to the Dallas Morning News, court documents showed that the Islamic Society of North America was “an integral part of the [Muslim] Brotherhood’s efforts to wage jihad against America through non-violent means.”  But National Council of Churches chief Michael Kinnamon was present for the Chicago Interfaith Unity Award.  And ISNA’s website advertises Kinnamon’s own effusive defense of ISNA from last year.

Kinnamon complained:

As an ally and friend of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), I lament that the United States of America has neglected to consult with ISNA leadership before publicly designating the organization as an ‘unindicted co-conspirator’ in the alleged terrorist funding activity of the Holy Land Foundation.  

He surmised that “since September 11th, it has become increasingly socially acceptable to fear difference in others, occasionally even in the arenas of law and public policy.”  And he lamented that the “label of ‘co-conspirator’ is damaging to the excellent reputation of ISNA and those who collaborate with them to build a better America.”

Probably Kinnamon had not examined the evidence against ISNA that the court case revealed.  But his NCC does want to protect ISNA as a key interfaith partner, since he explained that the NCC and ISNA have been conducting a “rich” Muslim-Christian dialogue since January 2008.  “In my experience working with ISNA, their leaders have offered the United States a strong and consistent Muslim voice for peace,” he reassuringly noted, citing their “their interfaith collaboration to end nuclear weapon proliferation” and “work to prevent domestic violence” as evidence that “ISNA has collaborated effectively with others to promote national security.”  

So Kinnamon was bewildered about the allegations against ISNA, since “support of violent terrorist tactics seems diametrically opposed to the character of this distinguished body of the North American Muslim faithful.”   He hoped that the “damage done by this discriminatory action can be reversed and that ISNA will continue to manifest God’s peace in North America.”  ISNA understandably included Kinnamon in their July convention. “Working with United Methodists has taught us the value of shared experience,” added Imam Kareem Irfan, president of the Council of Religious Leaders of Metropolitan Chicago, in subsequent remarks to the United Methodist News Service. He’s the first Muslim to head the Chicago interfaith council. 

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  • S. HaLevi

    Correctly said.
    In Eretz Israel an unJewish cadre usurped power in the late 1980's leading to the so called Oslo process and derivatives. The pilgrimage to "invited" sessions' in Washington or to perform "speaking tours" as means to receive millions in bribes oiled the process. SO FAR. Large sums were used through ubiquitous front organizations to subvert and sabotage. One of the most damaging objectives of the State and CIA operatives was to develop a well trained and armed islamic para military and to turn the IDF to a military against Jews, Land of Israel and Jewish Heritage and a "rubber bullet, white flour bombs and paint ball rifles" otherwise. That with the support of the State Department, EU and other enemies.
    That is about to turn full circle and as yet intentionally unreported overseas.
    The "failures" and those the intentionally failed under foreign orders will pay very heavily if not finally.
    Those divesting must do so fast because the new leadership here will not be contemplative with enemies. Those aligned with islam will not be differentiated with islam itself.

  • Al Barrs

    The Presbyterian Church has already been doing the same thing! It is alarming… Do they realize what will become of them if Islam becomes the religion of the land???

    • Dale Hooey

      The Presbyterian and Methodist Churches have been taken over by radical liberal clergy. Notice their falling numbers!

  • solemnman

    These genteel replacement theologies ,in their determination to wrest the covenant from jewish hands ,now express their traditional disdain and hatred for judaism by embracing the causes of the Islamo – nazis. The usual reference to the Islamists as Islamo-fascists unfairly equates fascism,however bad it is,with something that aspires to an even more comprehensive genocide than was ever envisioned by even the nazis..The .Islamists openly call for the killing of ALL!! infidels- including ,The genteel people of the genteel faiths that support them

    • http://ziomania.com ziomania

      [quote]The Islamists openly call for the killing of ALL!! infidels[unquote]

      Then what are the thousands of Jews in Iran, Turkey, among other places, living there? Not only do they live there, but they have no intention or desire to move! Why?
      How many Jews are we told perished under the hands of Christians? How many perished under Muslim rule? No, you got it all wrong! Take a look:

      "1 Samuel 15:3 "Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don't have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys."

      • MixMike

        "How many Jews are we told perished under the hands of Christians? How many perished under Muslim rule? "

        In Morocco in the 8th century, whole Jewish communities were wiped out by Muslim rulers.

        In 1033 in Fez, Morocco over 6,000 Jews were killed.

        In 1066 in Granada, Spain a Muslim Mob razed the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughtered its 5,000 Jewish inhabitants.

        In 12th century N. Africa, the Almohads either forcibly converted or destroyed the Jewish communities.

        In 15th century Morocco thousands of Jews were slaughtered in Fez leaving only 11 alive.

        In Libya in 1785, Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews

        In Algiers, Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830.

        In Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

        There were progroms against Jews in the mid 19th century across the Muslim cities in the Middle East.

        More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940's in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.

        Need I really go on?

      • MixMike

        "1 Samuel 15:3 "Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don't have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys."

        The commandment to kill the Amalekites has no legal significance under modern Jewish law. The Amalekites are a culture no longer in existence, so the commandment is moot. Whereas, under many forms of Islam the commandments to kill "infidels" is still current and a duty for every follower.

      • solemnman

        I was referrig to Islamist Arabs not Turks or Iranians.I was referring to the Muslem Brotherhood and their affiliates Hamas ,AlQuida and Hezbulla who continually declare their intention to commit genocide.Achmadinijad does not speak for the Iranian majority.The Jews in Germany were relatively safe till Hitler came to power.He said what he wanted to do and the islamist who worship him are saying it now. he did it .Why wouldn't they.

      • MixMChess

        "How many Jews are we told perished under the hands of Christians? How many perished under Muslim rule? No, you got it all wrong!"

        In 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the Jewish men in Medina.

        In 8th century Morocco, whole Jewish communities were wiped out by the Muslim rulers.

        In 1066 in Granada, Spain, Muslim mobs razed the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants.

        In the 12th century in N. Africa, the Almohads decimated several Jewish communities.

        In 1465, in Fez, Morocco, thousands of Jews were slaughtered, leaving only 11 alive.

        In 1785 in Libya, Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews.

        In the 19th century in Algiers, Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830

        In Marrakesh, Morocco, more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.

        There were anti-Jewish progroms all throughout the middle east in the 19th century.

        In the 1940's more than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.

        Need I really go on?

        "1 Samuel 15:3 "Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don't have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys."

        The commandment to attack and kill the Amalekites have no force under modern Jewish law. The Amalekites are a biblical culture no longer in existence, thus the commandments are moot. Whereas commandments to kill infidels are still current and applicable under modern Islamic law.

  • Marty

    I'm adding GE to my stock portfolio after accumulating CAT and Motorola shares once the presbyterians divested those corporations.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jaydickb jaydickb

    These people are just plain stupid. Stupid people,especially stupid liberal people, seem to like "symbolic" actions that have no real effect other than making them feel good. In this case, they people involved probably feel very proud of themselves. This proves you don't have to be stupid to do stupid things.

    • USMCSniper

      You are right. As a matter of fact, they really are too stupid to even suspect that they are stupid. And deep down they are anti semites who regard Jews as heretics because they have not embraced the "Come to Jesus" syndrome.

  • Rob

    All of these incidents are simply a result, or a symptom, of American Churches watering down the Gospel of our risen Messiah. The average American who professes faith in Christianity, couldn't begin to tell you what they believe. Faith in America has become as materialistic as any other part of our culture.
    Another thing to consider is, the Liberal-Progressives have infiltrated American Churches just as they have our Public Schools, our Legislatures, our Media and our Courts. Faith is one of the pillars that marxists understand that they must bring down to undermine a country or culture.
    If we don't truly understand what we say we believe, and if we don't fully live by what we claim to believe, should we be surprised when mad-men and con-men sell us down the river?
    It is our responsibility to remain vigilant if we want to remain free and to give that freedom to our posterity. Focus on God, His word and His way and we will understand what direction to take and how to stand against the enemies of freedom and liberty.

  • CHOI

    By ENGAGING in OPEN POLITICAL ACTIVITY,the "United Methodists"are in VIOLATION of their 501c TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.
    Also ,their numerous "Church Properties" are "Cook County Real Estate Tax " EXEMPT.

    Since they WANT this FIGHT, LET'S GIVE IT TO THEM!
    Let's ALL Flood the Federal,State ,and Local Tax Authorities with the PROOF of "United Methodist Church's" VIOLATIONS of their "Religious Tax-Exempt" Status"
    In Cook County,Illinois,which includes "The City of Chicago" ,their FALSE Exemption to the Real Estate Tax is PUTTING EXTRA BURDEN on the TAXPAYERS,in America's MOST TAXED COUNTY and anywherev else they enjoy Tax Exempt Status..
    Either THEY Cease being Political,or they SHOULD NO LONGER BE TAX-EXEMPT on any level.
    They CAN'T have it BOTH WAYS.

  • JULIE JONES

    ONE WORLD RELIGION = WORLD COUNSEL OF CHURCHES,ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL=
    NATIONAL COUNSEL OF CHURCHES
    THIS CHURCHES HAVE LEFT THE CHRISTIAN BELIEF IN GOD OF THE BIBLE,THEY ARE APOSTATE , CHECK THESE TWO SITES IF YOUR CHURCH IS INVOLVED COME OUT FROM THEM!

  • CHOI

    And, IMAGINE the United Methodists FACING PROTESTORS when THEY gather for Church Functions.
    If readers would ORGANIZE Peaceful and Lawful Protests at every United Methodist Church OUTSIDE of EVERY CHURCH EVENT(incl Sundays) ,tey WOULD GET THE MESSAGE.
    Among the Protest Signs should be References to STRIPPING their TAX-EXEMPTION(s).
    THAT's HOW TO DEAL WITH THESE "RELIGIOUS" FRAUDS.

  • Ron

    The majority of United Methodist congregations, and other so called "mainstream" protestant denominations, long ago diverged themselves from the G_d of creation and the Bible as a whole. They teach a touchy, feely, New Testament only gospel, of a Jesus who existed only in their imaginations. Even to the extent of ignoring much of the teachings of the New Testament, and Jesus himself, in order to preach this social gospel message.

    Jesus is the Son of the G_d of Creation! The Son of the G_d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! His Life was fulfillment of prophecy of the Old Testament concerning G_d's covenant promise to Israel! Everything he did up to and throughout his resurrection was for and about Israel and it's people.

    Not until he went to His Father did he include we Gentiles in the Salvation that he made possible! Never did he contradict the Father.

    The next time he comes it will be with a sword in hand to destroy the enemies of G_d!

    So it's easy for them to ignore G_d the Father when he said:

    “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” — Genesis 12:3 (King James Version)

    They are "Cursing" Israel!! That can have only one result!

    rd

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

    If we do not defend Israel God will not defend America, this was stated by
    Rev. John Hagee who has raised millions of dollars for Israel and has a strong
    message for Christians who understand our attachment to Israel and for any
    one that will listen. The apostate church (note the lower case) is lost to its
    false teachers and cosmic muffin beliefs, either they turn back to Bible basics
    or they are lost, it is just that simple……….To Israelis, there are multiple millions
    of American Christians that support you and pray for the peace of Jerusalem
    which we would help you defend as best we can…….November it changes…..William

  • Samurai Hit Woman

    How can these "Christians" claim to be Christian and hate Jews? It doesn't compute. According to Christian scripture the Jew is the apple of God's eye. And that is the reason they've experienced so much persecution, of course.This world is under the control of God's antagonist.

    Also the reason the Jews calls Christianity "replacement" theology is according to prophesy in the Old Testament God was going to the gentile and make Israel jealous by making a people not His people "His people".

    Now the gentiles are falling away from God, too. This too was foretold by the ancient Jewish prophets.

  • Samurai Hit Woman

    How can these "Christians" claim to be Christian and hate Jews? It doesn't compute. According to Christian scripture the Jew is the apple of God's eye. And that is the reason they've experienced so much persecution, of course.This world is under the control of God's antagonist.