War of Words: Israel’s Fight Against Delegitimization

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Failure to distinguish between Israel’s deficiencies, and its existence, perpetuates and encourages a climate of hatred and condemnation against Israel per se, and one that easily tips into global anti-Semitism. It is fed by the West’s most powerful and eloquent spokesmen, including President Barak Hussein Obama.

What makes Obama’s administration different from his predecessors is not its anti-settlement policy  – the State Dept has been consistently anti-Israel for 70 years – but the context — a new configuration of forces aligned against Israel. The sparks of his words ignite vast fires of anti-Israel violence.

Previous American administrations were more or less sympathetic to Israel and its difficult position, and were usually balanced. For example, Sec of State Condoleezza Rice’s hostility to Israel was balanced by President George W Bush and VP Dick Cheney’s generally positive attitude.

Obama’s strong-arm tactics against Israel and “outreach” (appeasement) to the Muslim world, his indifference and/or enmity towards Israel, surrounded by advisors eager to sacrifice Israel’s security to their political interests, and a disturbing naivete, from healthcare and economics to nuclear proliferation and military strategy, represent a new threat to Israel’s quest for legitimacy and acceptance.

Delegitimizing Israel seems to be a barely hidden agenda, not with an organized plan, but indirectly, making Jewish building in Jerusalem THE issue, castigating Israeli settlements as “illegal and unacceptable” – rather than constant Palestinian incitement and terrorism.

Coupled with efforts to delegitimize Israel around the world, Obama’s words are powerful indictments against Israel, which render Israel a pariah, an outcast among the nations, deserving of whatever punishment its enemies have in store.

No other American president has treated Israel with such animosity, in such a hostile environment, with so many unpredictable dangers, and amidst world-wide anathema for the Jewish state.

Not traditional anti-Semitism, this new expression of hatred and bigotry has become the semi-official language of the United Nations, many EU politicians and most Muslim and Arab leaders. Denial of Jewish history and Jewish historical claims in Eretz Yisrael (the  Land of Israel), Holocaust-denial, and myriad fabrications and myths about Palestinianism are viral; they cannot be defeated unless confronted for what they are — poisons of the mind and the soul.

The author is an historian, writer and journalist living in Jerusalem moshedan@netvision.net.il.

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  • BUTSeriously

    Israel's problem is there has never been a single charge from Europe and the Arabs against her that turned out to be true or even partially true. This puts Israel in a most dangerous position. Basically, Israel has prevailed over the two king kongs thus far, even as both the king kongs are in insane contradiction of each other on every level. How would you feel being Europe or an Arab!?

    So they tried to destroy Israel in manifold ways:

    1. corrupting the Balfour by carving off 80% of the tiny land allocated to the Jews. Yet Israel was not destroyed., resulting in five genocidal declared attacks by the arabs.

    2. Then they demanded another state in what's left in the 20% – again calling it a 2-state.

    3. Than they transfered the name Palestinean from Jews onto those busting for another holocaust – still Israel prevails.

    How dare Israel still exist.

  • http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/ patti

    Enough is Enough: Obama Bundler/Labor Activist Bill Fletcher spews anti-Semitic hate at UN "Israeli Apartheid" panel http://t.co/VudZvRT
    http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/2010_12_14_

  • SHmuelHaLevi

    Israel's leadership is unfit to adopt the required tools to attack the offenders in any arena those of the later class choose.
    We cannot survive by supporting our enemies, even if we meekly "conditio"n that support with wordmanship gyrations.
    The Romans usurped our Land and renamed it and we continue to contest the Roman Empire inheritors with compromises. Eretz Israel is JEWISH NATIONAL PATRIMONY from before most of those interlopers even had the remotest form of nation for themselves.
    Usurpers or usurpers inheritors have no rights.

    • aspacia

      Then logically, most living in North, South and Central America are also usurpers? No, Israel won the land fair and square.

      If I were an Israeli, I would follow Leiberman's suggestion of a loyalty oath for all Israelis. The Israeli left is just as dangerous as the U.S. left.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    “End the occupation,” a mindless slogan that short-circuits thinking is a subtler way of calling for Israel’s demise.

    A lot of Israel’s problems are brought about by Israel itself, as even Israel’s most loyal and passionate defenders always habitually portray what is happening to Israel as being a conflict between Israelis and so-called Palestinians, when what in reality is really taking place in Israel is not a conflict between just Israel and so-called Palestinians at all, but instead a jihad being waged against Israel by the entire worldwide Islamic ummah.

    In other words, it is approximately 1.5 billion Muhammadans arrayed against just 6 million Jews, as the creation of Israel in 1948, per Islamic Sharia law, constituted an illegal occupation of what was formerly Muhammadan land, as land that was once part of Dar al Islam must always forever remain a part of Dar al Islam. Irrespective of fake peace processes, there is no peace possible. Indeed, where Islam is concerned, the jihad being waged against Israel will continue perpetually until Israel is eventually destroyed, just like the greater global jihad at large will also continue perpetually until eventually there are no more lands controlled by unbelievers.

    What has been occurring in Israel since 1948 is just one jihad out of many jihads, both overt and stealth, currently being waged all around the world by the camp of Islam against unbelievers. Hence, if Israel and the supporters of Israel would couch the conflict in the proper context, that is as a jihad being waged by the camp of Islam against the tiny infidel state of Israel and as one of many jihads also being waged against other unbelievers all around the world that altogether comprises the greater global jihad at large, Israel would correctly be seen as the victims instead of the oppressor of the so-called Palestinians, which are in fact the proxies of the camp of Islam. In fact, Israel’s most aggressive nemesis today – the ruling Mullahs of Iran – is not even Arab but Persian instead.

    • USMCSniper

      You have it: "What has been occurring in Israel since 1948 is just one jihad out of many jihads, both overt and stealth, currently being waged all around the world by the camp of Islam against unbelievers. Hence, if Israel and the supporters of Israel would couch the conflict in the proper context, that is as a jihad being waged by the camp of Islam against the tiny infidel state of Israel."

      It is actually worse, because the Arab Muslim states would never permit a non Muslim state of any kind ever in the middle east if it were not for the United States. The sooner we learn that this is a fight for victory over Islam in the same category as victory over Nazism, the better off we will be.

  • waterwillows

    While there is no doubt that Islam is a sworn and deadly enemy of Israel, that is to be somewhat expected, as they are also the enemy of all non muslims on earth.
    However, there is no enemy quite so nasty as the enemy who is supposed to be your 'friend'. That would be the looney left leaders of the westen world. There is too much attention paid to the expected behaviour of the muslims and not enough paid to the most unexpected betrayal of our elites.
    Do the people not understand that the betrayal of their leaders, puts them into enemy territory far worse than expected muslim behaviour?

  • ajnn

    Possibly Obama is the most anti-Israel president we have had, but Eisenhauer is due some consideration. Johnson was not a friend either.

    It is a myth that the United States has been a steadfast friend of Israel from 1948. Actually, it is only since Israel proved it could make a strong contribution to American interests, since 1970, that the US has treated Israel like an ally.

    • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

      "A strong contribution to American interests"? Can you list those strong contribution?

      If you are not considering the "creation of global hatred against America" as an "American interest" which somehow helps Military Industrial Complex to make billions of dollars from blood, or "receiving billions of dollars from the USA" which helps the loan lenders to the USA government to make billions from the interest alone; I cannot relate your "strong" claim regarding Israeli's contribution.

      Of course, you might be sarcastic :)

      Peace,
      Edip

      • MixMChess

        Its the Islamo-Nazi troll Edip Yuskel… Israel provides strategic and military aid to the U.S. Israel effectively secures NATO's southeastern flank, without having a single American soldier stationed in its territory. The key alliance between Israel and the U.S. has saved the U.S. an estimated $150 billion annually in defense budget spending alone.

        Israeli technology has provided research and development of defensive military strategies to the United States. Israeli firms developed satellites (Amos and Ofeq), Arrow anti-missile missile system, unmanned air vehicles (UAV or pilotless aircraft) systems, ceramic armor, air-breathing propulsion, and air-to-air, air-to-surface and surface-to-surface missiles, all of which are shared with the U.S.

        Additionally Israel is a Research and Development partner in computer and medical technologies with the U.S. and there are multiple partnerships between Israeli and U.S. universities to share and develop these technologies.

        These are just a few of Israel's contributions to the U.S…. What have the Palestinians provided to the U.S. besides terrorism and hatred?

        • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

          With the exception of partnership in developing computer and medical technologies, Israel's contribution, according to your list, is negative and evil: it only serves imperialistic polices that cost American people tons of blood, higher taxes, budget deficits, loss of privacy, while making billions for war industry and creating more enemies that promote the vicious cycle of wasting our resources on more weapons and destruction. According to you, Israel's contribution to humanity is shedding blood! I am surprised that you list these as positive contribution.

          As for partnership in medical technology, I am not sure, but based on inductive reasoning, I can bet that Israel is most likely getting more than it contributes to the US economy.

          • Spirit_Of_1683

            Getr back to Turkey, parasitical bloodsucking barbarian.

          • MixMChess

            What are you even talking about Edip? You asked what Israel has contributed to the U.S., and I answered that Israel provides computer, medical and military technologies to the U.S. What the U.S. does with the military technologies is its business alone. Of course you think any American military strength is "imperialism." However it dos not logically follow that if Israel provides the U.S. with military technology that Israel is partaking in what you call "America's Imperialist agenda." Besides, it was Israel (Ariel Sharon himself) that advised America not to invade Iraq fearing it would "rile" up the hornet's nest. The only bloodshed caused in the world is at the hands of Islamic imperialism and islamo-nazis such as yourself.

          • MixMChess

            "As for partnership in medical technology, I am not sure, but based on inductive reasoning, I can bet that Israel is most likely getting more than it contributes to the US economy. "

            Your inductive reasoning (as usual) is dead wrong. The U.S.-Israel partnerships have produced breakthroughs in technology and in biomedical, environmental and agricultural research, saving the U.S. billions in research and development. The medical technology sharing between the U.S. and Israel benefits the U.S. primarily, NOT Israel. A few examples of the technology that Israel has provided to the U.S.: an alarm for earthquakes to prevent disasters, motorized robotic arms and legs for paralysis victims, procedures for regenerating the spinal cord, a vaccine for anthrax, molecular research to kill cancer cells, treatments for diabetes, parkinsons, alzheimers and emphysema, ingestible pill cam for medical diagnosing, and countless generic drugs (cheaper and safer than name brands).

            Israel has also put its medical technology to use in areas outside of the U.S. as well. Israel treated thousands of Haitians after the devastating earthquake in January and saved the lives of an estimated 1,200 Haitians. Israel has provided emergency aid and disaster relief to Argentina, Armenia, Russia, Rwanda, Bosnia, Kenya, Albania, Macedonia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Poland, Congo, Vietnam and many other countries. In the late 1990's Israel established intensive care units in Eritrea and Turkmenistan. In fact, helped Turkey rebuild after the tragic earthquake in 1999. Israel administered a village that provided relief and comfortable housing with all the necessary utilities and infrastructure for 2,500 displaced persons.

            When have the selfish and disgusting Palestinians ever provided humanitarian aid to anyone? Oh, and Palestinian terrorism and bloodshed to necessitate humanitarian aid doesn't count!

      • ajnn

        My gosh !!! A Leftist ideologue.

        Your conclusions are without support in the real world and are counter-factual. Please take a look at the 'wikileaks' material for a glimpse into the real world.

        1. In 1970 when Syria tried to invade and take over Jordan (an American ally) the Americans asked Israel to mobilize their military and promise to support Jordan in such a war. The israelis did this and we (the United States) were able to save an ally without putting a single American life at risk. This is not an isolated example, just the first such.

      • Spirit_Of_1683

        Get back to Turkey, barbaric, bigoted and parasitical West-hating troll.

        • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

          The earth does not belong to any person or group. I will go wherever I choose. I did accept the suppression of the Turkish government and threats of Sunni fascists, nor I will accept the imperialistic and terrorist foreign policy of the USA-Inc and its stooges. If one day fascists like you make it impossible for me to live as a free man in the USA, then by God's will, I will move somewhere else.

          The earth belongs to God!

          Peace,
          Edip

          • Edip Yuksel

            Correction: It should be "I did not accept…"

    • Eddie

      ajnn, you are WRONG when it comes to Lyndon Baines Johnson.

      LBJ was a GREAT friend of Israel.

      G-D Bless LBJ 4EVER!

      • ajnn

        He was a very emotional man and his heart and best efforts went out to the oppressed and disadvantaged.

        He worked hard to Hispanics and poor whites in Texas and was responsible for the only refugee ship to be allowed to dock and unload refugees from Nazi Germany in the United States; Corpus Cristi several hundred jewish refugees.

        However, he did little to stop the 1967 war when begged by the Israelis for help. In addition his administration's policy was very anti-Israel based in no small part on its attitude towards Dimona.

        LBJ was a friend to the Jews and other oppressed and discriminated against and impoverished peoples, but not a friend to Israel. This was not in any way evil, unjust, or racist. just all about Dimona.

  • PAthena

    (1) The so-called "Left" is loyal to the old Soviet Union and not to the countries of which they are the citizens. Since the Soviet Union was antisemitic, continuing the tradition of Tsarist Russia, so is the "Left." That is why the "Left" in Israel sides with the enemies of Israel.
    (2) The U.S. should deny any funds to UNRWA and UNICEF, the first since they maintain "camps" for Arabs "refugees" from 1948, all of whom are now dead, the second because it lies about Jews and Israel, saying, for example, that the Tomb of Rachel is really Mohammedan.
    (3) As comment #1 notes, calling Arabs "Palestinians" is another lie, since "Palestinian" has always meant "Jew" and "Palestine" the land of the Jews, since the Roman Emperor Hadrian changed the name of Judea to "Palestina" in 135 A.D., after defeating the last of the Jewish uprisings under Bar Kochba. Call Arabs "Palestinians" is the work of Soviet propaganda, the Soviet Union and Nasser in Egypt in 1964 having invented the "Palestine Liberation Organization" with all the phony history and propaganda which went with it.

  • Nina

    Arab racism VS Israeli worries

    While anti-Israel bigots, Arabs, Muslims have for so long tried to cast Israelis’ legitimate concern over a growing racist Arab threat that seeks its annihilation – in a bad light, the recent phenomenon is that radical leftysts inside Israel cast at times these worries and subsequented defensive actions also with such bombastic -unfair- definitions, though their aim is political, the damage is simply horrific, nevertheless.

    Now, why don’t we talk about the real racism in the area, outside or even inside Israel, the Arab racism of course, that which since (at least the 1920s) tried to commit genocide on the Jewish population and together with Islamic bigotry, these two fascisms motivated the expulsion of 1,000,000 Jews and the anti-Israel campaign.

    The latter campaign has never been discntinued.

    Racism by Israeli Arabs include: creating – via intimidation and violence- an “off limits to Jews – “pure” Arab (areas) zone;
    Arabs’ targeting of innocent Jews, simply for being Jews; the massive rationaliztion for support of attackers in the Arab public.


    REFERENCES CITED IN THE LINK: http://freeisraelnow.blogspot.com/2010/12/arab-racism-vs-israeli-worries.html

  • Nina

    Arab racism VS Israeli worries

    While anti-Israel bigots, Arabs, Muslims have for so long tried to cast Israelis' legitimate concern over a growing racist Arab threat that seeks its annihilation – in a bad light, the recent phenomenon is that radical leftysts inside Israel cast at times these worries and subsequented defensive actions also with such bombastic -unfair- definitions, though their aim is political, the damage is simply horrific, nevertheless.

    Now, why don't we talk about the real racism in the area, outside or even inside Israel, the Arab racism of course, that which since (at least the 1920s) tried to commit genocide on the Jewish population and together with Islamic bigotry, these two fascisms motivated the expulsion of 1,000,000 Jews and the anti-Israel campaign.

    The latter campaign has never been discntinued.

    Racism by Israeli Arabs include: creating – via intimidation and violence- an "off limits to Jews – "pure" Arab (areas) zone;
    Arabs' targeting of innocent Jews, simply for being Jews; the massive rationaliztion for support of attackers in the Arab public.


    SEE: freeisraelnow.blogspot.com/2010/12/arab-racism-vs-israeli-worries.html

  • Nina

    To view/print 'Arab racism VS Israeli Worries' on PDF, see: http://freeisraelnow.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/

  • Rifleman

    It's pretty obvious who's heros have always been nazis. Who is it again that goose steps, salutes like nazis, believes Jews should be exterminated, and actually allied with the nazis in WW2,? Oh yea, the 'palestinians'.

  • MixMChess

    Sorry Edip, you're lying again as usual. It is the Palestinians who worship the Nazis as their moral role models. Need I remind you that Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Germany in 1941 to meet with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ death camps and murder of the Jews to the Arab world. In fact, the Mufti personally recruited 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary.

    Palestinians of today still worship Hitler. The Hamas charter calls for the worldwide genocide of the Jews (and Christians). Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad have adopted the Nazi salute. Of course, much of the Arab/Islamic world adopted Nazism and worship Hitler as a folk Hero. Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of Syria's Baath party noted the following: "We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books . . . . We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism." John Gunther of Inside Asia has reported: "The greatest contemporary Arab hero is probably Hitler."

    Does it hurt to be this wrong Edip?

    • http://www.yuksel.org Edip Yuksel

      The facts tells a different story.

      Here are some numbers from http://www.ifamericansknew.org/ which are sub-stantiated by references and sources. You can verify each through various hu-man rights reports. Between September 29, 2008 and December 3, 2009:

      •124 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians
      •1,441 Palestinian children have been killed

      •1,072 Israelis have been killed
      •6,348 Pals have been killed

      •8,864 Israelis have been injured
      •39,019 Palestinians have been injured

      •65 UN resolutions against Israel
      •Zero UN resolution against Palestinians

      •1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians
      •7,383Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel

      •24,145 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967
      •Zero Israeli home have been demolished by Palestinians

      •223 Jewish-only settlements and "outposts" built on confiscated lands.
      •Zero Palestinian settlements.

      •$7 million per day in military aid from the U.S. to Israil during in 2009.
      • Zero in military aid to the Palestinians.

      I know that you will see the truth, but you will most likely continue closing your mind and heart to the truth, intill the Day of Judgment comes!

      Peace,
      Edip

      • Eddie

        edip,

        - 1988 Bombing of Pan Am 103
        - somali pirates
        - current day slavery in sudan
        - Londons bus and underground bombing of 7/7/05
        - Beslan school massacre
        - Mumbai India massacre
        - muslim war criminal saddam husseins use of poison gas on the Kurds of Halabja – 5,000 killed
        - 8 year iraq/iran war – over 1 million killed
        - murder of a london police officer – killed by a sniper in the libyan embassy in london
        - madrid train bombing
        - bali bombing
        - dynamiting of the two 1,500 year old Buddahs of Bamiyan Afghanistan
        - beheading of journalist Daniel Pearl
        - murder of tourists in Luxor Egypt
        - video taped beheading of captives
        - murder of film maker Theo Van Gogh
        - murderous riots over cartoons of muhammed
        - death threats against writer Salman Rushdie
        - sadaams husseins invasion of Kuwait
        - muslim only cities like mecca
        - muslim only roads in saudi arabia
        - gender apartheid in saudi arabia
        - religious police in islamofascist iran, saudi arabia

        Peace thru Superior Firepower

        • Spirit_Of_1683

          And don't forget over 300 million infidels murdered in cold blood by Muslims simply because they were infidels, and Muslim festivals like Ramadan and Eid that celebrate this genocide.

          And there's the small matter of almost 17,000 known terrorist atrocities carried out by Muslims since 9/11, and heaven knows how many unknown ones. Probably at least as many again.

          And not to mention the barbaric treatment of non-Muslim minorities in Muslim countries.

          • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

            I think you had a typo error while producing the number: Perhaps you meant 300 Billions instead of 300 Millions.

            Peace,
            Edip

          • Eddie

            turkey must admit the genocide it committed against the Armenian people.

      • MixMChess

        Hmmm a diversion tactic. I prove that Palestinians supported Hitler and are the only natural heirs to the Nazis, and rather than respond you just point a finger and claim a "fire" someplace else.

        But seriously, lets look at the FACTS. I'll address your numbers game with civilian casualties and injuries first. These numbers don't include how many of the "civilians" are in fact terrorist operatives. For example, in Operation Cast Lead it is estimated that over 70% of the casualties were identified as Hamas Operatives.

        The IDF has official policies which values the lives of Palestinian civilians over those of its own soldiers. The Palestinians on the other hand actively fire rockets from civilian areas and strap suicide bombs on their children and throw them at Israel. Hamas has admitted that higher Palestinian casualties are a "media victory" for them, and for that reason they actively put the civilian population at risk.

        Palestinians terrorize Israel on a daily basis. Israel is at war and it is winning that war. You are just upset because the Jews are beating back their Islamic executioners.

  • ajnn

    Mr. Edip Yuskel,

    This conflation of Israel and the German Nazis is in very poor taste. It is a disturbing claim and says a great deal about you and who you are. You are a racist. Comparing jews to Nazis is racist.

    Please do not respond to this posting. Your prejudices and hatreds are disgusting to decent people.

    Comparing Jews to German Nazis. Disgusting.

  • Eddie

    Why do islamofascists do outstretched arm salutes like their nazi role models?
    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hntojuBOgo0/SaNfooDC5ZI

  • Spirit_Of_1683

    I suppose you got a copy of Mein Kampf for Eid, didn't you barbarian?

  • redno

    Genesis 12:6 Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land. 7 The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring[c] I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

  • ziontruth

    Edip Yukyukyuk crawled out of his dirthole again.

    "Israel will not survive more than two decades. It is a racist and militarist regime …"

    You know, I noticed in our age that when members of the Marxist/Islamist alliance condemn a person or nation for "raaaaacism," it means he or they are on the right track.

    "As Hitler's propaganda machine had limitations,…"

    Yes, the limitation that Hitler (may he burn in hell for all eternity, amen) lost. But before he did himself in in his bunker he made sure to pass the torch to the Jerusalem Mufti and his co-religionists, and you're doing a great job continuing his work.

    "…which somehow helps Military Industrial Complex to make billions of dollars from blood…"

    The phrase I emphasized, though originating with Eisenhower (spit) in one of his speeches, is today the mark of the Marxist agent of sedition.

    Marxist scum! In a sane world, your political persuasion would be a crime. You ruin every nation you infest (q.v. the U.S. of A. since the rise of Obamarx to power).

    "…it only serves imperialistic polices…"

    The only ones engaged in imperialistic policies here are the Muslims. And they have been that way for nearly 1400 years.

    "The USA became a target after it supported Israel['s … nonsense snipped]"

    So did Europe, if we're taking that chronological world "after" in its strictest sense. Not, however, if you're talking cause and effect.

    The fact is, Ayatollah Khomeini (may he too burn in hell for all eternity, amen) talked about launching an Islamic jihad against the entire West in 1942 (yes, that's six years before Israel came to be). That the Islamic rampage in the West didn't ratchet up until recently is because the Muslim world was largely busy with Israel.

    As I said once, you don't blame the lightning rod for the lightning. Israel has been the lightning rod for the West for a long time; if there's a lot of general Islamic terrorism now, it's because the Muslims have gotten better at multitasking.

    "I did [not] accept the suppression of the Turkish government and threats of Sunni fascists, nor I will accept the imperialistic and terrorist foreign policy of the USA-Inc and its stooges."

    Moral equivalence, the staple of the Marxist Left.

    The earth as a whole may not belong to any person or group (though I think every nation has an exclusive entitlement to a fair-sized portion of its own on it, but that's a whole 'nother topic), but evil ideologies like Marxism and Islam that foul up every place on the world they reach don't belong on this earth.

    "Peace,
    Edip"

    War (to the bitter end against Marxism and Islam),
    ziontruth

    • MixMChess

      Woops, looks like we scared "Edip Yukyukyuk" back into his dirthole. I guess hard facts are like kryptonite to him?

  • Eddie

    The nazis were socialists. They called themselves "national" socialists. And today we see "progressives" an alternate word for "socialist" or "leftist" once again sideing with arab fascists, arab national socialists.

  • Louis S.Brown

    The word ,"Miracle" is the only real explanation for the very existence of Israel .
    There are 1.6 billion muslims and a mere 14 million Jews on earth. Can you imagine having an enemy that outnumbers you by 100 to 1 . Your only chance to survive would be by mercy of The Lord. Thats exactly what God Almighty, The King of Kings has done to his chosen people. Israel. Oh Israel thou are at the edge of destruction but the Lord Jehovah
    alone shall protect thee. When I see the plight of Israel it is as though I am reading from the Old Testament . Perhaps the miracle of miracles will be when it is Islam that comed to the defense of the Hebrews. After all Islam and The Jews both come from (Ibriham), and (Abraham). All Muslims and Jews are descendants of Abraham. They are brothers . The Jews having Sarah as their mother, while Islam has Hagar as their Mother. The greatest miracle would be that Islam comes to the realization that their true ally is Israel and the Jewish people and that they (The Worlds Muslims) have been used as PAWNS by the New World Order to be fooled into making an enemy of their own Brothers and Sisters. Can you imagine how the world would come against Islam if All Muslims suddenly became Israels greatest and devoted and loving friend/ brother.
    Then when Islam befriends Israel would the world come face to face with the ANTI CHRIST !

  • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

    There was not a single terrorist attack against America before the Israel's "Preemptive" attack against Egypt in 1967.

    The USA became a target after it supported Israel's atrocities and aggression in the Middle East. So, without Israel, the USA would not be in need of Israel's intelligence service, which uses torture legally. (BTW, Israel is the only 'democratic' country that legalize torture!)

    Peace,
    Edip

  • Eddie

    edip, Too bad your side lost the 6-Day War.

    That's the way I like it.

    Peace through Superior Firepower.

  • ajnn

    You are an interesting person. Such a wonderful imagination !!

    You are blaming the Iranian hostage crisis in 1979 on Israel. This is obviously inaccurate.

    If you listen to what the terrorists say (and they love talking) they say that they hate the United States not because of israel but because of Saudi Arabia and the placing of an American military base in Muslim territory (Saudi Arabia).

    The terrorists list a thousand reasons to hate the United States and Israel has appeared on the list (way down) only since around 2002.

    PS: Your information on torture is, liike most of your musings, backwards. Among the problems with torture, moral and legal, is the accuracy problem. Much of the information you get is inaccurate. That is one reason why the Israelis look down on and consider both immoral
    and incompetant intelligence agencies that use torture.

    Ther Israelis were the first to stop using torture. They stopped in the 1950's (the time of the greatest terror attacks against Israel).

  • MixMChess

    Edip Yuskel you are a LIAR. Israel did not preemptively attack Egypt. It was Egyptian President Gamel Abdul Nasser who illegally ordered the UN Emergency Force stationed between Israel and Egypt to evacuate the Sinai. Further, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran which was a clear act of war under international law, and violated the 1958 Geneva Convention guaranteeing the international status of straits. In fact, Nasser "candidly" proclaimed, "We knew that the closing of the Gulf of Aqaba meant war with Israel… the only objective will be Israel's destruction." At the same time approximately 250,000 Arab troops, more than 2,000 tanks and 700 aircraft surrounded and closed in on Israel. Syrian and Egyptian officials agreed that they started the war with Israel with the goal of "exterminating the Jews."

  • MixMChess

    "The USA became a target after it supported Israel's atrocities and aggression in the Middle East."

    Wrong again, the USA didn't become a target for Islamic terrorism until after the 1979 Iranian revolution, after Ayatollah Khomeini had seized power in Iran with the slogan "Death to America." The situation in Iran had NOTHING to do with Israel, the Iranians at the time had grievances against America for support of the Shah.

    Interestingly enough, not even Al Qaeda includes the so-called Palestinian Cause as part of its Agenda. Their anger with the U.S. has to do with the existence of American military bases in Saudia Arabia and other areas of the Persian Gulf. Dr. Abd Al-Hamid Al-Ansari, dean of Shar’ia and Law at Qatar University has stated that the Palestinians were never mentioned in seven years of Al-Qaida literature. Al-Qaida never linked anything to Palestine.” Osama Bin Laden didn't even start talking about the Palestinian cause until well after he committed the atrocities of 9/11.

  • MixMChess

    "So, without Israel, the USA would not be in need of Israel's intelligence service, which uses torture legally. (BTW, Israel is the only 'democratic' country that legalize torture!)"

    You are just lying out of your behind Edip Yuskel! Israel never had any form of legal torture. Israel signed the Geneva Convention (outlawing torture) in 1949 and the Convention against Torture in 1986. Additionally, in 1999 Israel's Supreme Court formally banned all forms of torture and all "abusive" interrogation methods (including yelling at prisoners).

    I'll make you a deal Edip, you stop lying about Israel and I'll stop telling the truth about Palestinian Nazis and Islamo-facists.