The Islamic Way of Disagreement

Nonie Darwish is the author of The Devil We Don’t Know; The Dark Side of Revolutions in the Middle East and President of FormerMuslimsUnited.org.


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“Did Aisha commit adultery while married to Mohammed? Or worse, did she kill Mohammed? Is she, together with Hafza Abu Bakr, Uthman and Omar, burning in eternal Hell? Or were they rewarded with Paradise?” These are questions consuming many Muslim leaders in the Middle East today.  Shiites believe the 9 year-old wife of Mohammed was an evil foul-mouth adulteress who deserves Hell, whereas Sunnis believe she is the honored ‘Om El Muminin’ — meaning mother of believers.

Emotions among Islamic scholars are boiling over on Arab religious TV shows. Rather than rationally debating serious troubles within Islam, Islamic leaders have taken their religious debate to a new low. They engage in horrific cursing matches called “Mubahala” on air to solve their disagreements. This is the latest offering from the producers of constant incitement, calls for jihad, teaching children that lying is okay (if it is for an Islamic obligation), and cursing of Jews and non-Muslims. It is believed that the one on the ‘wrong’ side of the religious issue of the Mubahala, will be struck with a supernatural curse, the wrath of Allah, eternal torture, pain, be afflicted with incurable diseases, suffering and a violent death to him and his whole family.

Muslim men of Allah challenge each other to cursing, like a duel of honor, in order to find the ‘truth’. Each Sheikh starts by stating his position, then the cursing starts against the opponent, his sons and women. Words used are doom, ruin, eternal torture from heaven, early death, to be afflicted with incurable diseases and eternal Hell. The one who is harmed or dies at the end is presumed to be the liar. They warn that the curse might not be swift or right after the program and that it will come from Allah in the form of a heart attack or other disaster, soon to hurt the other side. One can just imagine how the families, especially children, of one side or the other feel about this?

The childishness of these exchanges is beyond belief; it would be comic if it weren’t deadly serious. You can see these two Arabic TV shows ‘El Manbar’ and ‘Al Hikma’ between Shiite Sheikh Yasser El Habib, and Sunni Sheikh Mohammed Ben Abdullah El Kous.

The Internet is full of challenging calls to Mubahala between Sheikhs, stating they cannot guarantee that the other side will stay alive.

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  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    To rephrase Voltaire, following Mr. Kilpatrick,

    "We may disagree with Islamic tradition of polemic and head chopping, but we will defend to the death Moslem's right to exercise it"

    • http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jerusalem-Israel/Israel/335764317070 Boaz

      No we should not "defend to the death Moslem's right to….head chopping"…

      • Rifleman

        I think you misunderstand his post. What we should not do and will do are often the same

      • davarino

        Let them chop their heads. One fewer mooslim

        • Mary

          Yes, I hope they will go on killing each other.

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      Come one, guys! My post was sarcastic! Sorry that the humor escaped of your view. In my previous posts I said it many times that Moslems have no business at all in any Western, Christian or secular nation. The Western countries ought to never let in even one Moslem, much less to tolerate any demands to accommodate anything islamic.

    • Bill

      In THEIR OWN countries…not mine….

    • Phantom

      Your system is full of nothing. You want us muslim to be posioned like all of you! You must kidding me! Get a chill pill dudes we are the only hope for this world even in the state we are today. Face it your system needs a new life in a war and where can it get it other the authentic! There is a difference between having and being my friends.

      • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

        It is due to exclusively our "system" (i.e. the Judeo-Christian civilization) that the humanity enjoys Mozart, science, technology and everything up to that very keyboard via which you communicate with me. You are partially correct only in that our civilization, abandoning the God's laws, is now not in a good shape (promiscuity, homosexuals, and similar). With God's help we will hopefully get back on the tracks, but God forbid not to the type of the "new life" according to the scripts of your false prophet…

  • Ret. Marine

    . After the death of mohammad's son Ali, these two competing groups, Sunni and Shiites have been at each others heads, literally. It comes as no surprise to this Christian white male, a true infidel to the fullest meaning of the word, that the two groups are destined to destroy each other. Tolerance is not a village in Min. these two understand. Charity only goes so far in the idea of who's god is the most supreme. The God of Isaac, Moses and Jacob is not the god of allah. They have failed in every sense of the word and in the world of a loving God, there is no place for this cult. This will soon become obvious to all, even the two heads of the same monster that is islam.

    • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      Actually, it all fell apart right after the Mahound's death. Every caliph after him was murdered by his successor. They are all a pack of lunatics.

      • GCarson

        It is legal in their justice system to kill a caliph and take his place.

  • Kafir4life

    What an amazing gutter cult this islam is! When mohamat shat the contents of the koran from his anal orfice, and invented the moon god allah, he sealed his deal with satan. The descendents of mad mo’s followers are following satan into the pit.
    Look at your typical mohamatan’s eyes. That dead look, like there is nothing but dispair. I pity these people, but I will also defend myself and my family against them if necessary.

  • Rifleman

    It looks like the muslim version of the springer show. Cursing is another clue it wasn't God that whispered in mohammed's ear.

  • jacob

    For those ignorants, pseudointellectuals and fools, full of you-know-what who so easily fall prey to cults of all kind and now, as incredible as it may sound, to ISLAM, let it be known that if ISLAM ever achieves supremacy (GOD FORBID), it will mean the return to obscurantism, darkness, worse even than what afflicted humanity in the Middle Ages

  • SoundDoc

    It could make a great song. ''When you'r not with the one you want to kill, then kill the one you'r with.''
    Ge 16:12 He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man's hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."

  • kafir4life

    I really pity these people that are snookered into this gutter cult, islam. Just look at the dead look in their eyes. Look at the dead look in the eyes of the sack covered muslima (vaginas in the muslim world). They follow a murdering, raping creep named mohamat that sealed his fate with satan when he shat the contents of the terror guide, the koran and invented the moon god allah. It's a shame.

  • davarino

    Hmmmm, they are such great debaiters. Have you ever tried to reason with a muslim? Its like talking to a brick wall. Uh huh, and they contributed so much to western culture and science…….right.

    • stephencuz

      That's because there is no debating a Muslim. The "proper" response from them when you make a valid point is "if it is Allah's will." That is what rules their life. Following this way of thinking has many elements. It is not your fault (whatever 'IT' is). You must do what Allah says (including killing). You have no right to question but must obey unto death. What an accursed life this is to live. No wonder so many are willing to blow themselves up in hopes of sharing in glory. Imagine living on earth with no hope of "personhood.”

      • http://southernrunner.blogspot.com loseyateefa

        that is how you can tell Islam is from satan. every tenet destroys our humanity and "made in the image of God". it is satan's revenge on God and will continue until Jesus comes back to defeat him and cast him and Islam in the pit of hell.

  • http://apollospaeks.townhall.com ApolloSpeaks

    Is Nonnie describing Islam? or a lunatic asylum? Perhaps there's no difference.

    Click my name to read my latest piece: Bill O'Reilly and the Myth of Moderate Islam

  • jonmc

    What a bunch of children.
    Very dangerous, even deadly, children to be sure; but children nevertheless.
    Is this puerility the reason why "dialogue" is such an imposibility?

  • sflbib

    "Me against my brother. My brother and I against our father. My father, brother and I against our uncles. Our family against the tribe. Our tribe against the other tribes. And always, Islam against everything."

  • eib

    They still don't know, they are not sophisticated enough to understand, that the loser of the argument or confrontation is not necessarily wrong.
    Sometimes, the person who loses the argument ends up right in the long run.
    Case in point: a certain ancient Judaean prophet known as Joshua, now known as Jesus.

  • M Rob

    OMG – The more I find out about this cult the more insane I find it to be. What a bunch of moronic a$$hats. Are muslims born without the ability to reason – it is truly amazing to me that anyone with two brain cells to rub together could possibly belive this horse hockey!

  • cheese_burger

    With a little luck, perhaps these Islamic Monsters will help the will of the Monster they call God/Allah, by committing the murders themselves, instead of waiting around for the Monster they worship to do the job for them

  • Felsen Stark

    When Mohammad elevated Allah to the greatest god ,at the same time he had to sell him as the only god, to do that he had connect the whole scheme to Judaism, making everyone from Adam to Christ muslims. There was no reasonable way to argue for these ABSURDITIES, thus reasoning had to be EXTIRPATED from Islam and it has never been allowed to return. It it were allowed the entire culture of Mohammadism would collaspe.

    • traeh

      Another way to look at it: Islam conceives Allah as obedient only to himself — not to scientific, logical, or moral laws, or anything else. For Allah to obey anything other than himself would diminish his supremacy. Allah is conceived in the image of the most despotic earthly tyrant imaginable. He is above all law, and obeys only himself.

  • jewdog

    Nonie Darwish is so right in her thinking. Imagine if her attitudes were the norm in the Middle East; that region would be a shining example to the world, instead of the troubled hell-hole that it is.
    Her viewpoint will eventually prevail, because it is in everyone's self interest to get along and reject strife-inducing ideologies. That's why most major religions (not Islam) emphasize universal brotherhood.
    What we need to do now is to figure out how to clone Nonie Darwish…

  • James

    Each Sheikh starts by stating his position, then the cursing starts against the opponent, his sons and women. Words used are doom, ruin, eternal torture from heaven, early death, to be afflicted with incurable diseases and eternal Hell.

    Sounds like the Democrats

  • RD1953

    Sounds a LOT like Congressional Democrats!

    Now I know what the divide between Shiites and Sunnis is, at least in part. However, apparently they both believe that their "prophet" was, indeed, a pedophile!

    rd

  • elvis

    The Islamic Progressives' Way of Disagreement

    Fixed that!

  • No Muslima Slave

    THEY ARE DEMENTED!

    Islam is for freaks. Every day that fact is proved.

  • Islam is EVIL

    Islam is of Satan, Period. When Jesus returns this will be proven, and all you non-believers will bow to your creator. Eternal hell awaits those who do not accept Jesus Christ as savior. I will be happy to be be-headed by deceived muslims to defend the only TRUE faith. I have no fear. If you do, you are not saved.

    • Mazy

      You misspoke! Jews are not going to hell for not accepting Jesus as their savior. Please!

  • WilliamJamesWard

    ShreiK AlBonker, potentate of Demonrats says faithful followers
    your brain is behind that rock, leave it there, your brain is in the
    trash bin, leave it there, your brain is in the bird cage, leave it there,
    your brain is in the dumper, leave it there, your brain is flowing in
    the sludge down the drain, let it go……..we have proven we do not
    have or need these brains, we have hate, stupidity and badness, Now
    beloved go find Cartman and we will begin the cursing, Kill Kenny!!!!
    Vote Demonrat…………………………………………………………….William
    ShreiK AlBonker, Wow!

  • Hammanuh

    Islam is bad, and Christianity is just as bad. Ever heard of the Salem Witch Trials?

    And elect Christine O-Donnell? She couldn't recite a single Supreme Court Case when asked at the debate.

    Pass!

    • hardroad1999

      Yeah sure, and they are still burning witches at the stake today in Salem as we speak…just as bad as islam don't you know. Great modern comparison.

    • GrungyOldVan

      http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/

      Can you say?: Isolated incident

      I think that you can… Reason prevails in Christian societies… Why do Progressives witch hunt now? ie. Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, Allen West…

      secular humanism is evil…

  • The Infidel Alliance

    To understand what Islamic culture will be like in the 23rd century, just watch "Star Trek"….

    The Klingons

    ~ The Infidel Alliance

    • Federation

      I think they are more like the Cardassians, Klingons had honor

    • GrungyOldVan

      Star Trek TOS: Mirror Mirror…

      the alternate evil universe episode… gotta love that neat little islamic beard on Spock…

    • GrungyOldVan

      Star Trek TOS was written as a western originally… The Klingons are "Indians"

  • WeMustResist

    We are so lucky that Nonnie Darwish is a good brave person who knows what she is talking about. I am proud to be on Earth at the same time as her. She is a hero. Because of her goodness she shows us the truth, but millions of other people try to keep it hidden.

  • Phantom

    Either you embrace evil or you embrace good there is no two ways about it. Your hypocrasy is bigger than a mountain and it is due to Gods mercy you have lasting so long. Your giant mountain of hypocrasy will crumble not now because of so-called 'terrorism' that you have been talking about since Reagen but justice by your own hands. Even you know you need justice before the true justice comes knocking! You will never learn untill the end. Forfathers dont mean anything if they were not scared of God. What is the difference between a forfather and your fellow only blood and who gave u that but God? Face it money and prestige dont mean nothing to God and all your so-called Nobel prizes! No matter how much u plot and plan know that God is watching all your moves. And Satan is not your friend against God he is your enemy his fait is sealed.

  • Phantom

    Example of a incorrect quote and a farcical presumption:

    "Me against my brother. My brother and I against our father. My father, brother and I against our uncles. Our family against the tribe. Our tribe against the other tribes. And always, Islam against everything."