Missing Terrorists

Last weekend, the feds popped two more US citizens who yearned to kill their fellow Americans for Allah.  They hoped to join al-Shabab, Somali’s ruthless jihadis, but fantasized about slaughter right here at home.

And, once again, any mention of Islamist extremism was absent from government statements, as if these guys were just angry about parking tickets.

The would-be Times Square car bomber, the guess-what’s-in-my-knickers Christmas Day airline bomber, no end of got-‘em-in-time apprehensions, plus the Ft. Hood butcher, Major Nidal Hasan…and even the media barely hint at what all these fanatics have in common.

Dare to suggest that radical Islam might be to blame, and you’re a bigot.  Just as pointing out that Palestinian terrorism led to Israel’s hard line stand makes you a fascist.  But those who reject radical Islam’s role as the driving force behind today’s terrorism must answer one obvious question:

Where are the Christian terrorists?

The ignored persecution, deprivation and massacres aren’t in Gaza, the global left’s favorite petting zoo.  The cover-up victims are the Middle East’s Christians.

Set aside for now the vast Christian communities that once thrived between Morocco and Mesopotamia.  The multiple holocausts they suffered for over a thousand years at Muslim hands doesn’t fit the White-House-approved narrative.

Let’s concentrate on today—when the only country left in the Middle East in which Christians enjoy complete freedom of worship, freedom from secret police surveillance, forced conversions, pogroms or civil strife, is Israel.

But that won’t do, either.  Can’t make Israel the good guy.  So how about those “suffering Palestinians?”  You know, the folks that chick-lit Che Guevara, Rachel Corrie, sought to rescue from an Israeli bulldozer…

Well, the Palestinians who’ve suffered the most have been Christians. And it hasn’t been the Israelis who’ve been persecuting them.

Take the West Bank city of Bethlehem, the literal cradle (or manger) of Christianity.  A half century ago, its Arab population was 80% Christian.  Today, Christians make up no more than 15% of the locals, and their numbers continue to shrink.

Throughout the Palestinian territories, the once-vibrant Christian population is estimated to have collapsed to a mere 25,000.  Muslim rapes, murders, kidnappings, extortion, death threats and property theft are to blame.

Where are the Christian terrorists?

In neighboring Egypt, Christianity’s intellectual center in its formative centuries, centuries of Islamization reduced, but failed to eliminate the Christian faith.

Coptic Christians, with their ancient traditions, still make up as much as 15% of Egypt’s population, which is nearing 80 million.  But the faith is under siege again.  The Mubarak regime appears to have decided to let its mortal enemy, the Muslim Brotherhood, have some leash in the persecution department.

Copts suffer village pogroms, ghettoization in cities, and kidnappings and forced conversions (often of marriage-age girls).  They’re prevented from constructing new churches and suffer general discrimination.  Killings of Copts go uninvestigated by Egypt’s police.

Where are the Christian terrorists?

Then there’s Iraq, where a tragic unintended consequence of the removal of Saddam Hussein–the region’s worst mass murderer–has been the destruction of ancient Christian communities.

Prior to 2003, there were about a million Christians in Iraq.  Most are now refugees.  Successive Iraqi governments have shown little interest in protecting those who remain.  Leading churchmen have been assassinated, Christian families have been slaughtered, churches have been bombed and burned.  And we’ve done nothing—to avoid irritating Muslims.

Where are the Christian terrorists?

Given the excuses made for Islamist terror, shouldn’t we have seen a violent response by now?

Of course, none of this is an issue in Saudi Arabia, where the Christian (and Jewish) communities that thrived at the dawn of Islam were wiped out centuries ago.  Even Lebanon, long a state where Christians enjoyed religious freedom, suffers from the grim Islamist contagion.

The absence of Christian terrorism in the savagely anti-Christian Middle East goes beyond Christ’s call to “turn the other cheek.”  It further highlights extremist Islam as the source of today’s terror.

But Washington will continue to shut its eyes and bluster about the “legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people,” etc., etc.  Dead Arab Christians are even less important than dead Jews.

Ralph Peters’ latest book is “Endless War.”

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    Well posed! However it is not only anti-Christian Middle East where there is an open season on Christians. Most shockingly, it is right here in the 90% Christian America! Meanwhile – without violence.

    Otherwise, Christians are the only kind of religion in America against which all kinds of sacrilegious actions and insults are allowed and well paid. And nothing happens!

    Shockingly, Christianity is persecuted in the US Army! Christianity is completely expelled from so called "universities" and school systems, both propagating the Bolshevik's slogan of "separation of Church and State". However unity of … Mosques and State is welcomed!

    And what do American Christians do? They behave like a beaten wife – way beyond the Christ's call to "turn the other cheek." And way beyond the need for mere survival. It's like an ultimate form of dhimmitude…

    If we are to survive, we must rid of Islam in America, confining it far outside. And first thing to do is to re-assert our own identity, which is exclusively Judeo-Christian: not anything in the world.

    • Kanwi

      …re-assert – dead right. What happened to reciprocity, what is okay with them is okay with us? What happened to assimmulation – accepting western values or keeping it to yourself? Instead those dominating Muslims want stealth and violent jihad until total submission of all infidels. I think we should actively provide an annonomous escape route for the suppressed into society and segregate the radical sympathisers for return to where they came from on the basis of incompatability with American values and rejection of assimulation ideals. Europe is nearly lost but it is 45 minutes to midnight for America.

    • gsw

      Unfortunately all too many christians are using the "religionist's get out of jail free" card, to permit religions to interfere in matters of state and law.
      Thus giving other (less savoury) religions the right to insist that they too may interfere.
      In secular (i.e. division of state and church) America, giving power to any one religious body gives power to them all.

      Please – do not compare the "we refuse to shut down family planning clinics for you" of America with the kidnapping, rape, torture and incarceration of christians in the islamic nations. You just sound whiney.

  • Kim

    Great blog and great 1st comment. We are a Judeo-Christian nation who welcomes all religions. We should be proud of our heritage and hold firm to our proven traditions. I heard someone on the radio today refer to our behavior as Stockholm Syndrom (It might have been Rabbi David Nesenoff, but I didn't have time to listen). Well said.

    • Andres de Alamaya

      I'm with both of you 100% and I'm an atheist. I feel the world would be better off without any religions but Islam is not a religion in the sense of other religions which urge their devotees to do good. Islam is like a Mafia gone insane and there is no room for it in the Americas. I sense the Spirit of 76 rising all over again and before this year is out, we will see dramatic changes in those who would lead us.

      • sflbib

        Re: "Islam is like a Mafia gone insane…"

        I agree except you don't need the "insane" part. Islam is like the Mafia in several major ways: 1) it takes over territory; 2) it kills off the competition; 3) it runs a protection racket against non-members; and, 4) you are in it for life.

        Islam is not a religion because everyone has an obligation to seek truth and to avoid error (doing evil). A belief system that actually turns this around and SEEKS to do evil does not qualify as a religion. Calling Islam a religion is the same as saying the Mafia is a law enforcement agency. Those who classify Islam as a religion do so because it believes in a deity. Well, that’s insufficient: Satan believes in God; that doesn’t make him a religion.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/ramaa ramaa

          islam is indeed not a religion. as the reverend billy graham once said, rightly, that islam is "evil". nuke all mussalmans i say, get rid of the world of the pestilence of islam and its believers.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/ramaa ramaa

          israel should bomb the bejesus of the iranian nuclear plants. in fact, i think the west should take over all middle eastern countries to make them safe for democracy and freedom. binyamin netanyahu can be made supreme commander of saudi arabia, lloyd blanfein can run kuwait and qatar, david frum can be given charge of dubai, elliott abrams uae, avigdor lieberman oman, tzipi livni bahrain, and ehud barak can be plenipotentiary of iran. then the world will become safe for judeo-chistendom, i am thinking

          • cochavi1

            I am thinking you are an Islamic troll.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/ramaa ramaa

            chill, brother. are you calling me an islamic troll? i am not. i just like them ragheads is all, and i hope that the west bombs the s…t out of the allah a…holes

          • Patrick

            And you, my friend, are not a true Christian. Turn the other cheeck, My Brother.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/ramaa ramaa

        i think the u.s. will be doing the world a favor by dropping a nuke or two in allah a…hole countries. that will teach the other allah a…holes about meddling in israel. the western hemisphere can then be safe for judeo-christian virtue

        • frabul slomn

          Theres been too much cheek turning. Soon therell be no Christians left to turn the cheek. There were no muslims around when that phrase was first uttered. lts time to give it back to the muslims – every ounce of hatred and every violent act returned 10 fold. Wow l sound biblical.

      • Tom

        "I sense the Spirit of 76 rising all over again and before this year is out, we will see dramatic changes in those who would lead us."

        I strongly sense this too. Events are coming to a head. The Free men and women of the west WILL NOT and ARE NOT going to continue to endure the intimidations, threats, attacks, and murders by the fundamentalist muhammedans–the "good" muslims.

        The current arrogant, elitist regime in Washington, ruled by Obama Akbar, has failed America's citizens and much like the fed-up people of Arizona passing a law to protect themselves from the invaders coming into their state, a growing number of Americans are now fully informed of the threat from the good muslims, those who follow the core teachings of the koran to the letter (I don't name them "radical" or "islamists"—they're not, they're obeying exactly what muhammed commanded).

        Things are coming to a head—remember the gates of Vienna (at least in a political sense).

    • gsw

      Nope, America is a secular "division of chruch and state" country.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WildJew WildJew

    Ralph Peters wrote: "Dare to suggest that RADICAL (emphasis mine) Islam might be to blame, and you’re a bigot."

    Dare to say Islam is to blame, you may be called a bigot, but at least you would be an honest "bigot." Why not be honest with your readers Mr. Peters? "Radical" Islam is not to blame. Islam itself is to blame.

    • Kevin in El Paso

      I have to agree without caveat. One of the definitions of the word "radical" includes "from the root." From the very roots of Islam, the Quran and the aHadith, come justification and manifestations of religious conquest, dhimmitude, and above all else, violence as a language of Islam.
      One cannot form an intellectually honest counterargument from Islam's own unholy books to the statement "violence is not just something Islamists do, it is what they are."

    • cochavi1

      I believe that he can not say it because 1) conservatives in all nations have not yet accepted that it is Islam, so Ralph Peters runs the risk of becoming Pam Geller or Robert Spencer; 2) FPM frowns on saying 'Islam is the problem.'

      In other words, Robert Spencer is published at FPM despite his views.

      A good article in any case.

      • WildJew

        Maybe you are right. I think Geert Wilders is the most outspoken that there is no moderate Islam, in that "radical" Islam suggests there is. I would like to believe there are ways to explain it honestly but in the end, I suspect Peters is right. You will be labeled a bigot. But even Daniel Pipes is considered a bigot and he posits there is Islam and "Islamism." Islamists being the problem rather than Islam.

        Spencer seems to couch his language in terms like jihad, jihadists, etc. – I've got a couple of his books – but when cornered in an interview he will acknowledge that normative Islamic law and teachings sanction the sort of violence we are witnessing around the globe. I don't follow Pam Geller as closely – though Spencer posts much of her material on his site. She banned me from posting on her web-site. Spencer hasn't yet removed me though I realize I have pushed the limits from time to time as I do here.

        • cochavi1

          Why did Pam Geller ban you? I have some idea, as I have also tangled with her a few times. My personal opinion is that Pam has 'subscribed' all Jews – including those who post on her site – to the counterJihad to be led by Christian America. I have noticed that male posters tend to 'provoke' her anger more than women do.

          The problem with all these sites is that they develop orthodoxies. Both here and at AtlasShrugs, there are assumptions about America as the salvation of humanity that it is not safe to question. I find this too bad, though I understand given the life 'courses' of Horowitz, Glazov etc. I simply believe that these people are unwilling to consider the possibility that the leadership in the US is also deeply corrupted.

      • WildJew

        One more thing. Your statement that "conservatives in all nations have not yet accepted that it is Islam," is in large part the reason we are in the mess we are in. Bush led the effort to mislead the public about Islam with near unanimous conservative endorsement. Why are conservatives baffled as a consequence, that we have a Muslim-born president with deep sympathies for the world of Islam – conservatives having been reduced to backbenchers? Not only did Mr. Bush lie (yes lie) about Islam, he lied about Israel. I've been challenged that to assert President Bush lied about Israel and Islam, he had to do it knowingly, with the intent to deceive and mislead.

        I wrote Mr. Horowitz several times complaining about nearly total conservative support of Bush's policies on this site and others, ignoring his lies about Israel and Islam but alas, to no avail. Now we've got a nightmare in charge.

        • cochavi1

          Yes, because Western conservatives are essentially liberal. That is, not only did the neoconservative movement grow out of ex-liberals, but you can say the same for many Likud types in Israel. After all, capitalism and democracy are based on optimistic assumptions about human nature, or at least the modern proponents of them are. If you look at the American founders, then you see far more skeptics on the issue. I take this that most Western politicians are shallow and relatively uneducated, and not adequately religious and ethical to see their own short-comings.

          Yes, Bush lied about Islam. Yes, Horowitz was an is very protective of Bush. I remain a person with some sympathy for Bush since I believe he was 'caught in the middle' and sincerely did believe that he could deIslamize Islam through 'democracy in Iraq.' To be fair, the Iraq story has been mixed in my view – not a full success and not a failure – but certainly not the great success that David and others regularly claim.

          But, yes, I agree with you that the relentless need to 'coexist' with Islam – the refusal to name the Quran and Jihad as essential elements of the theology and how it is related to what comes out – made it possible for Obama to win.

          In political terms, the American people have been dumbed down quite a bit.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/WildJew WildJew

            Yes they have been dumbed down but the cynic in me asks are the people innocent victims of having been dumbed down. There is plenty of propaganda out there. Our local radio talk show host spoke this morning about Reuters having cropped a photo of these IHH jihadists standing over a bloody Israeli soldier they kidnapped aboard the Mavi Marmara last week.

            WND also carried the story. If people believe these lies propagated by Bush, Obama, the AP, Reuters, etc., are they innocent? The Nazis dumbed down a willing German public. At what point are a people responsible for their / our complicity in being dumbed down and swallowing lies about the enemy? I hold a US president to a higher standard of honesty in this regard than I do known propagandists like Reuters. Bush should have set the record straight. He failed. We know this Muslim-born president is not going to set the record straight and he can invoke Bush with a straight face!

          • cochavi1

            I agree that Bush's blanket refusal to comment on Obama's actions is essentially 'old-school-network' behavior. Cheney took a different stance – until he disappeared.

            As to whether Bush should now advocate for and apologize to Israel, I have mixed feelings about that. If he stands for Israel and against Obama's policies, he will appear to be criticizing himself to some – to those who think. As you said, his policies paved the way for Obama with the Road Map. There's not much he can say.

          • trickyblain

            " After all, capitalism and democracy are based on optimistic assumptions about human nature, or at least the modern proponents of them are."

            I can't speak to "modern proponents" as a group, but I for one share the founders' (and Hobbes, Locke, etc) view that it is self-interest that spurs Capitialism. Democracy is held in check by the Supreme Court. Hamilton stated that he was "not much for the majesty of the multitude." This system of self-serving individuals may not be perfect, but it's much better that any other political-economic system on this planet. In summary, capitialism and separation of power are based on a somewhat cynical, very correct, view of human nature.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/ramaa ramaa

      Hey, chillax, man. half the folks in muslim lands believe, i believe rightly, that the western powers are involved in a Crusade against their land, to satisfy a rapacious desire for cheap oil.

      • trickyblain

        We are buying that cheap oil. The leaders of the "muslim lands" are insanely rich – their people are insanely poor. Tell us how the Western powers are reponsible for the gross-mismanagement of Arab ecomomies by their sovreign leaders.

        It's easier to scapegoat…

        • cochavi1

          Now your President just gave 400 million dollars 'to Gaza.' Guess who will collect most of that money? Guess what they will do with it? Build bigger villas, more prostitutes – and weapons. Well, Obama said the blockade is 'unsustainable.'

          He meant it, huh?

          Next time, vote for an American, Democrat or Repub. Just make sure he actually cares about you.

          • trickyblain

            All blockades are eventually unsustainable.

            Do I think Obama "cares about" me? Do I think any politician, that I've never met, "cares about" you or I? See post above re: "self interest."

            You, nor I, know where that money is going or how it's going to be dispersed. If it's not going to be accounted for willingly, I condemn it as strongly as you.

            But come on: "American"? Let. It. Go.

          • cochavi1

            I mean that he sees himself essentially as UN Secretary General with expanded powers, and an office in D.C.

            Please explain, based on his statements and policies, how this is not so?

            Don't get me wrong; most pols are slime.

  • GRA

    The decades long Islamic siege on Christian communities in North Africa and the Islamic East that has resulted in the Christians exodus you describe is directly related to the abdication of US and "western" Europe protection and influence, particularly the French and English, who protected these communities for past centuries when the Ottomans controlled large areas of Asia, North Africa and Europe.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ramaa ramaa

    Mr. Ralph Peters, what would call Tim McVeigh, a terrorist or a Christian terrorist? VDS Rama Raju, Round Lake, IL

    • phoebeintheforest

      Being white and American does not make one a Christian. McVeigh was just a crazy, evil man.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/ramaa ramaa

        hey, what about adolph hitler? did he not murder six million jews because of he believed his own faith, christianity, was vastly superior to that of the jews?

        • glpage

          Hitler was not a Christian. He was raised as one but became antagonistic to Christianity. After he eradicated the Jews he planned to eliminate Christianity from Germany.

          • Patrick

            I didn't know your could see into theoretical futures, why wouldn't he keep a system of control in place that keeps the working class content?

        • No_Mooselimbs

          Hitler was not following Christain dogma. In fact he murdered Catholics at an alarming pace, just not as organized as his extermination of Jewish people. He was aligned with islamic forces and had a battalion of islamic soldiers.

        • MMS

          Hitler wasn't really a Christian, and there are some good books on his interest in paganism even before his rise to power, such as one by Dusty Sklar that looks into the content of the magazines Hitler subscribed to and organizations he belonged to, both of which were rather anti-Christian. You can also look up the very severe steps Hitler took against Christian churches once he came to power, including things that stripped them of their basic Christian identity, in William Shirer's book Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

          • Patrick

            And Muslim terrorists aren't really Muslim. No where in any surra is it written that it is good to kill non believers. That is in Islamic theological commentaries, (which certain sects of Islam base their core beliefs on). Ya'll ever heard of WACO. They were Christians, most other Christians wouldn't call them "real" Christians, but they took their beliefs from the Bible.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadConserv CanadConserv

            You obviously haven't read the Koran or hadiths.

        • Neilini

          No. Hitler once was quoted as saying "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew."

    • No_Mooselimbs

      Again, there is NO SUPPORT for the muderous actions McVeigh committed in the Christian religion. However, there is infinite support for what islamists do in the name of islam/muhammed/allah.

      • Patrick

        Really, find me quotes directly from the Qu'ran that support your opinion

        • CanadConserv

          Seems you're at the ready with all kinds of disingenuous koranic intepretations. Don't bother. We've all seen them, and recognize the nonsense for what it is.

          In any event, it's not us you need to convince. It's the majority of Muslim powerbrokers the world over, imams, theologians, media and government. In past and at present they think you're wrong.

    • Roc's Talon

      I find your ideas pertaining to Tim McVeigh to be bigoted and uninformed…not to mention a thinly veiled attempt to connect Christianity to our worst elements in this country.

      1st you are talking about a man who broke laws, hacked computers from his youth and had little or no restraint in his personal life…all signs of someone who is not in the least Christian.

      2nd how many Oklahoma bombings or similar events have there been IN OUR HISTORY? Could you not beat that number on a weekly basis (perhaps depending on the week but I'm talking averages here) with terror attacks from "extreme" Muslims?

      3rd what was the point of that statement? you have left an open question (and followed it with another on Hitler) and the point of both seems to be nothing more than an attempt to throw the same image on Americans and (judging by your own statements) Christians.

      so…bring the two, biggest, misinformed and outright lies you can. And what will you accomplish when you play to an informed and sensible audience? Nothing more than your own shame. Please inform yourself and learn real history…and then maybe we can have a sensible debate.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/William_Z William_Z

      Tim McVeigh considered himself an agnostic, and said Science was his religion.

  • USMCSniper

    Islam is the driving force behind every major conflict in the Middle East–and, by one calculation, it is behind about half of the world's armed conflicts, from Algeria to the Philippines. The latest Palestinian intifada was sparked by incendiary anti-Jewish speeches by Muslim clerics in Palestinian mosques. And when Iranian protesters chant "Death to America," they do it after similar sermons at their own mosques.
    The evils of dogmatism and religious tyranny are endemic to Islamic culture–and our evasion of this fact is making a mockery of the War on Terrorism. If we want to win this war, we must begin by recognizing that it is a war against Islam.

  • Michael

    "The evils of dogmatism and religious tyranny are endemic to Islamic culture–and our evasion of this fact is making a mockery of the War on Terrorism. If we want to win this war, we must begin by recognizing that it is a war against Islam" I totally agree.

  • Jaladhi

    There is no "moderate" Islam and there is no "radical" Islam. All Islam is one and same and it is all radical by any definition.Even the prime minister of Turkey, Erdogan says this!!! We should stop blaming radical Islam as the culprit because it gives cover to other Muslims who are at present not engaged in terrorist activities which they can do in a nano-second. All so called radicalized Muslims come from the vast pool of "moderate" Muslims. there you have it.

    Lets stop kidding ourselves and call spade a spade – "it's the religion stupid" and nothing else!!!

  • Turbeaux

    I hate to rain on Ralph Peter’s parade, but there is only one version of Islam and that version is radical, and all Muslims that adhere to Islam are also radicals. Hence, all devout Muslims in essence are radicals since they adhere to what is a very radical totalitarian ideology that seeks world domination.

    Not only that, but unlike Christianity and other religions, there aren’t varying degrees of belief where a Muslim can choose to personally believe and adhere to certain aspects of Islam and reject other aspects of the religion. In Islam, that is known as shirk, or the exercise of freedom of conscience, and that is a practice that is strictly forbidden in Islam, as Islam in stark contrast to all other religions is a religion of submission, where all Muslims must submit to the will of Allah and in effect becomes his slave. Hence, shirk is punished under the pain of death since Islam is a religion of submission.

    In addition, the notion that the so-called Religion of Peace™ is being hijacked by a tiny minority of radicals is not only totally false, but it is absolutely absurd as well, and dividing an entire civilization between moderates and radicals is not only incredibly ludicrous, but it is exceedingly racist as well. The reality is there are no separate moderate and radical versions of Islam, as there is only one version and that version is radical because it calls for world domination, and anyone and everyone that adheres to that radical totalitarian ideology is a radical by definition.

  • jac

    If killing can be a pious act of submission and one expected to earn special divine favor, then it must also be religion of human sacrifice..

  • No_Mooselimbs

    For my friends and family that just can't wrap their heads around the fact that the "religion" of islam is just a totalitarian system calling for open-ended warfare against non-believers and that "peace" doesn't mean the absence of warfare but rather the submission to their "god", I tell them to look at a picture of an iceberg. The top of the iceberg above the ocean is the jihadists carrying out the purest callings of islam. The ummah or world-wide body of muslims is the part of the iceberg below the surface. THAT is the most dangerous part of the iceberg. Vastly larger, unseen, buoying up the tip that can be seen. Being in the cult of islam, one supports the jihad either knowingly or unknowingly. Just look at the Holy Land Foundation trials to see how some "peaceful" muslims engage in taqiyya and some just send in their zagat. The money eventually ends up in the same place; funding the destruction of the West and free people.

    • crazyhorse

      AND just delve into islamik history of how and when they spread around the world. The history of jihad is foremost for anyone interested in how and when,and what is coming to your neighbourhood..

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/sosusa sosUSA

      Excellent & accurate analogy!
      Everything about the psychotic ideology of Muhammadanism is the antithesis of any real religion (i.e. moral codes of positive conduct and morality).

      Nothing else epitomises the essence of 'living backwards' so explicitly: spell LIVE backwards = EVIL.

  • http://www.ronmossad.com ronmossad

    Video on why everyone needs to support Israel in its fight against Islamic terrorism:

    If they didn’t have Israel to attack all the time, what then…?

  • Patrick

    wow… ever heard of the crusades? How about the IRA? You do realize these Muslim terrorists don't hate Christianity, they hate the USA. We have killed more foreign civilians since 1945 then every other country combined… (Including USSR you jingoistic ignoramuses)

    • No_Mooselimbs

      Patrick, you need a little history lesson….the Crusades (all 3 of them) were in response to islamic invasion of the Holy Lands and the push into Eorope by the "religion of peace" Seriously, the IRA?? That's POLITICS and nowhere near any numbers of islamic invasions. Are you really trying to tell people that the US has killed more people than Stalin (6 million starved in the Ukraine alone), Mao (so nice of the Whitehouse to put him on the Christmas tree this past December) and Pol Pot. Really? How 'bout Castro? More than Hitler? I go back and forth between foreign civilians and domestic civilians since your examples do also. But given all that, islam has racked up the biggest body count by far.

      • Patrick

        Yes, we have, notice the word FOREIGN. And hitler was dead by 1945. Politics=Religion=Economics=Life, its all part of the same spectrum. Are you seriously going to argue that Christians do NOT have a political leaning? We are the Empire, and while those regimes were HORRIBLE for their OWN countries, we are damaging the whole world… Shit, we killed millions of Vietnamese, for what? They are STILL a communist country, and yet a very profitable trading partner. Why haven't we re-invaded to "purge the red scare?"

      • Patrick

        Sorry, did not read last sentence, but I will have to point out that none of the regimes you listed are Islamic regimes. Saddam Hussein could be included in your list, but again, hey mostly eliminated his own people. I'm just trying to illustrate the point that these countries aren't attacking us because of our "freedom." It's called, blowback. Just look at Afghanistan, they fought the Soviets just as hard as they fought us, and to them, we are just as bad. Can you imagine being a young boy/girl in Afghanistan right now. If you were under the age of 9 you would have had a foreign power occupying YOUR country your ENTIRE life. We need to step back, take a look in the mirror and hopefully realize we aren't the end all of Civilization. We have room to improve, and the first step to a more peaceful world is through words, not more violence. Yes there will ALWAYS be extremists, but you all here need to realize 99.9999% of Muslims will never commit acts of terror. Hell, Muslims believe Christ our Lord was a savior in the lines of Moses, Muhammad, and Abraham.

        • trickyblain

          Patrick, I am not a "jingoistic ignoramus" — though you will find many on this site, but if the Vietnamese were ramming jets into our cities' buildings, rest assure that we would re-invade them. People who trained in Afghanistan under protection of its gov't did that.

          In terms of killing "their own people," really? The Kurds were Saddam's people? The Hmong were Pot's people? Just about as much as the Jews were Hitler's people.

        • No_Mooselimbs

          Muslims DO NOT believe Jesus was a savior, just another prophet in the line of prophets up to muhammed. They believe Jews and Christians removed all mention of the coming of the "last prophet" muhammed and claim Jesus did not die on the cross. If they revere Jesus so much why didn't they go ballistic over Maplethorpe's Piss Christ? Instead they KILL people over cartoons, infidels touching korans, etc. Your 99.9999% figure has been shown to be totally false. Visit http://www.thereligionofpeace.com to get a smidgeon of the violence these people are capable of committing. And once islam is established, the violence doesn't end there. That is the problem in Darfur and Nigeria. Islam is a vehicle for Arab supremists.
          As to your comment that they are attacking us because we are occupying their countries is bunk. This is just the latest version of a 1400 year old battle. Only now, the islamists have petrodollars feuling their jihad. The US is the only country standing in the way of world conquest and establishing a world wide caliphate.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/CanadConserv CanadConserv

      Seems you're unfamiliar with Pol Pot and other such left wing groups.

      Put down the anti-American kool-aid and consider a bit of reality.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/William_Z William_Z

      "ever heard of the crusades…" The crusades were a reaction to the Muslim invasion of the Christianized Middle Eastern and Mediterranean areas.

      Learn the history before you sound off about things you know nothing about, that includes European history.

    • Dave

      Can you give some facts please?

  • No_Mooselimbs

    Let's just take the Indian subcontinent for starters: From Daniel Pipe's blog:
    You need to read your Indian history to realize the genocide of Hindus carried out by muslims invaders and kings. It was by far the worst in recorded history.
    Will Durant, the famous historian summed it up like this:
    "The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex of order and freedom, culture and peace, can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within."

    • Patrick

      Genghis Khan? Largest empire in the world? Would go city by city, rape all the women, enslave all the tradesmen, and raze the city to the ground? Should we eliminate all decedents of this monster? Should we go around killing 1/3 Asians just because their great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather was genocidal? What about our genocide of the American Indians? While the overall number may be lower, we literally killed 95% of all the indigenous people in our own country. Should we then kill all Americans

      • No_Mooselimbs

        Where in that post does it say we should kill anyone?

  • No_Mooselimbs

    Koenraad Elst , the german historian writes in "Negation in India"
    The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter. The Bahmani sultans (1347-1480) in central India made it a rule to kill 100,000 captives in a single day, and many more on other occasions. The conquest of the Vijayanagar empire in 1564 left the capital plus large areas of Karnataka depopulated. And so on.

  • watchful

    Someday, if we're still America, we will be in a life and death struggle with the middle east and Eurabia. South America is being colonized as we sit here. Many of the drug cartels have joined forces with the Islamics as they both are after our demise. This "radical Islamic" problem is growing in the wombs of Muslims worldwide. The only way to curtail this before it gets completely out of control ids to do it radically and do it now. If we wait, we'll have the Islamic world climbing down out throat when we do finally do something. This problem will only grow until we are in a civil war and a world war at the same time. Unimaginable? Think about it. They are emigrating everywhere and having population explosions of Muslim babies wherever they are. These children are being raised for the purpose of giving their life for Allah in whatever way they can. Even the women are supportive of donating their childrens' lives for the cause. The number one baby name in Europe is Muhammad. It is significant in the countries south of the U.S. They are amassing their troops for the war 10 or 20 years down the road. Everywhere they take over they raze religious houses and build as mosque over the site, sometimes using the very same materials that were mined and shaped and polished by the previous owners. How much easier their job is. Some times they merely take down the cross or other symbol and add a couple of minarets and put up the crescent.
    All over the world they are on a propaganda movement which effectively hides the truth from people who don't want to know it anyway.
    We can't get the word out on the internet because "those" people don't go to these sites. The media doesn't want to report it because they are too busy building their New World Order where they feel that we can all be reeducated or disposed of if we don't like where we're being led like sheep to the slaughter. This can only happen because people are misguided or not informed at all. We need more billboards or a TV station that puts it out there.

  • trickyblain

    Looking impartially at the three desert religious, in terms of Judaism, I don't really see anything historically comparable with the savagery of the Catholic Church and Islam.

    • cochavi1

      Thank you. But he is a determined moral relativist, so it's not much use. Also he is incoherent.

  • Mac And Archer

    What ever happened to jones town. Why did the cia take a nice casey Jones town and turn it into a cult then kill the cultistis with the leader of the cult being refered to as James JONES. Just curious of what you hard core KC fans think about some of those retirered out of commission and maybe pension waving "deserter's" done to the name of THE REAL JAMES Jones who really did like Kool Aid and not the poision kind a little to much of a coionencedence. Ride Hard and show no mercy. Black Cherry is where it's at ( 1969 Rothchild Koolaid that is).

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/JosephWiess JosephWiess

    Of course Obama doesn't care about Christians or any other faith. After all, he's a facist Muslim who spent 20 years sitting in the front row of Jeremiah "US Marines are Roman Centurians," Wright's church.

    The left seems to never know that the muslims have declared a holy war, and won't stop at anything to win, so I think we should do the same. Four nukes and it's over. Mecca, Medina, Al-askqa mosque, and that stupid well that the iranian hitler built.

  • Tom

    From a learned and wise man who sacrificed a large portion of himself to help create a country in which we still today enjoy "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" — the honorable John Quincy Adams:

    “In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth."

    "Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion."

  • Tom

    "He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind."

    "THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adam's capital letters)….Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.” [p. 269]

    John Quincy Adams Knew Jihad By: Andrew G. Bostom
    FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, September 29, 2004 (it's well worth it to read the article)

    Islam is NOT compatible with Freedom and self-government. It never has been, it never will or can be. I say again that things are coming to a head.

  • richard

    the catholic chapel in the vet hospital in the bronx, ny was replaced w/a muslim one.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/DunanIdaho DunanIdaho

    I want to reply to 2 previous posts: The Mongols were vicious but no more so than many of their contemporaries. Cities were put to the sword only if they resisted Mongol rule. But the biggest difference between Mongols and Islam is that the Mongols understood the true difference between war and peace. For a Moslem there is only war until judgment day. They captured half of the Moslem’s empire and ended Sharia in their holdings. The term I’ve always heard used to describe Mongol religious attitudes was “evenhandedness”. It allowed previously oppressed peoples to return to society.

    To the poster who described Bush as “caught in the middle” I agree he knowingly lied. But I think he did so (and maybe to himself) because of the sheer size of the problem. Instead we got his business school nonsense about tipping points. So how can we reach a consensus to “fix” Islam? If we can’t I foresee a never-ending war (short of actual judgment day). Even if the Moslems win and conquer the world they will quickly turn on each other over who is more authentic.

  • USMCSniper

    Surely you don't mean that we should let the Jihadist States and their proxy terrorists Hexbolla, Hamas, and the Palestinians anihilate Israel and complete the final solution by killing every Jew?