Fox Turns On Wilders

If there is one major news outlet that would be expected to leap to the defense of free speech when that vital linchpin of liberty is under attack, one would expect that Fox News would be the one organization to do so. After all, it wasn’t so long ago that the Obama administration tried to cut Fox out of access to the White House. To their credit, Fox’s competitors leapt to defend – not Fox, whom the rest of the mainstream networks despise – but free speech. That episode makes the way that all the networks, and Fox in particular, are ignoring the Geert Wilders trial so troubling and, in the case of Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp., rather mystifying, at least until one scratches the surface a bit.

Nobody expects CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. to cover the Wilders trial because those networks have established beyond any reasonable doubt that they are not going to cover issues related to Islam if the story in question doesn’t fit neatly within their “Islam isn’t the problem, it’s just a few explosive bad apples” narrative. Journalists who bend over backward to disconnect Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan from his jihadist inspirations aren’t likely to care about a political leader living across the pond who is obviously nothing more than a fringe, right-wing Islamophobe. But Fox? We’ve come to expect more from Fox. Perhaps it’s time to start expecting less, at least when issues involving Islam are involved.

What’s ironic about Fox ignoring the Wilders’ story is that the most important part of the attack on this Dutch politician doesn’t involve Islam at all, not really. If Fox editors and pundits honestly believe that Wilders is a fringe politician, spouting paranoid nonsense, fine. They’re wrong, but their opinion of Wilders and his ideas are irrelevant. What’s at stake here is a principle that is vital to western civilization: the basic right of free peoples to formulate and express their ideas, even when one finds those ideas abhorrent.

In addition to ignoring the fact that free speech is on trial in the Netherlands, some Fox commentators have recently attacked Wilders and his ideas, the implication being that even if a viewer is astute enough to realize that this Dutch politician is on trial for what he has said, Wilders is merely a nut job who’s not worth worrying about anyway. On March 9 Glenn Beck characterized Wilders as a “far right” politician, then when on to ominously observe that “the left – in Europe – is communism; the right is fascism – in Europe.” A first grader could connect those particular dots, as Beck intended. This is the same Glenn Beck who, a year ago, welcomed Wilders on his show and was downright sympathetic to the attacks on Wilders’ right to free speech that the leader of the Dutch Freedom Party had endured. Wilders experience, Beck declared, was a warning to America: “If you want to see what our future looks like, all you need to is look to Europe.”

Beck has apparently forgotten what he said, or has decided that free speech isn’t really that important a principle after all. Ironically, Wilders is hardly “far right” in his political views. Rather, his politics defy any sort of easy categorization. What Wilders understands is that an Islamic state has no use for the kind of healthy debate that makes democracy work. When Sharia Law is implemented, it’s the Quran’s way or the highway. Wilders’ political goal is to put measures in place that will ensure that the Netherlands remains a free, democratic nation. Wilders’ legal fight is about the freedom to work toward that goal.

Wilders criticizes Islam, not Muslims, because he believes that Islam is ultimately employed as a totalitarian system of governance, whatever it’s attributes or flaws as a religion. Otherwise sensible conservatives, like Charles Krauthammer, dismissed Wilders’ concerns out of hand:

“What he (Wilders) says is extreme, radical, and wrong. He basically is arguing that Islam is the same as Islamism. Islamism is an ideology of a small minority which holds that the essence of Islam is jihad, conquest, forcing people into accepting a certain very narrow interpretation [of Islam]. The untruth of that is obvious. If you look at the United States, the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the U.S. are not Islamists. So, it’s simply incorrect. Now, in Europe, there is probably a slightly larger minority but, nonetheless, the overwhelming majority are not.”

But what Wilders is saying and what pundits like Krauthammer think Wilders is saying are two different things. Of course most Muslims living in the United States are not Islamists. Of course the majority of the Muslims living in Europe are not Islamists. It’s safe to wager that the majority of Muslims living in Iran are not Islamists either. That’s not the point. Wilders, and any rational thinker, can’t help but observe that Muslim nations are overwhelmingly ruled by governments that are, in effect if not in name, theocracies. Sometimes those theocracies are dangerous, hostile tyrannies, as in the case of Iran, and sometimes they are indifferent, if occasionally useful, friends of the west like Saudi Arabia. At either end of the spectrum, no Muslim-ruled nation respects western traditions and values like freedom of speech, the equality of peoples and the right of dissent. Wilders hasn’t been trying to demonize individual Muslims, he’s been trying to keep the Netherlands from turning into an Islamic state. One may disagree with his methods, but to say that he doesn’t have the right to employ those methods because the theocratic system he opposes is so violently hyper-sensitive is patently ridiculous and downright cowardly.

So, why is Fox following its brethren in the media by ignoring the Wilders trial, a story that is full of so many themes that might otherwise attract Fox’s attention? Could it have anything to with Saudi Arabian prince Prince Alwaleed bin Talal’s stake in News Corp.? Might Murdoch’s increasingly cozy relationship with Arabic media giant Rotana Group have something to do with it? Murdoch’s maverick news organization appears to playing a subtle, yet dangerous game.

Unlike its fellow networks, Fox is ready and willing to denounce radical jihadists who threaten not only the west, but who – if left unchecked – will upset delicate power structures in Muslim theocracies like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates that lean toward the west. But, for Fox, calling out the religious system of governance that empowers and enriches the princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE seems to be out of bounds. Free speech, it would appear, has it limits – even at Fox News.

  • Arius

    "Of course most Muslims living in the United States are not Islamists". What rot! Every Muslim that I have talked to hates Jews, and believes almost all the nonsense that Muslims in the Middle East hear in their media and believe.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/WildJew WildJew

      Like you, I do not accept this Islam vs. "Islamism" dichotomy. More than anyone else (sadly) it's been Daniel Pipes who has propagated this false conception of Islam. Neither is Saudi Arabia a "friend of the west," as Mr. Trzupek postulates. Fifteen of the nineteen September 11, 2001 hijackers were Saudi nationals. The bin Laden family are all Saudi. Wahhabi or Salafi Islam is the official religion of the Saudi kingdom. Saudi Arabia is the world's largest exporter of violent jihad ideology around the globe; bar none. Your litmus test is my litmus test. If they hate the Jews and or Israel, they are not peace-loving.

  • Crusader

    "Murdocks connection to Alwaleed " !!

    GEE YA THINK ……..

    A dhimmi with a price tag , so too Beck, Hannity and freinds at Fox.

    • PrudentMan

      FOX being "conservative" is a scam. They have more liberal producers than moderate or conservative. Bill O'Reilly tries to characterize himself as conservative when he, like Beck, is only a self-promoter and FOX is the best place to monetize his wares.

      If you listen to Beck's rants you would think the "Founders" were all on the same page. Is that why it took a decade to ratify and some wanted a monarchy? He mischaracterizes, misunderstands and re-writes the intent and content of the Constitution in order incite the nitwits who hang on his every word, like my neighbors.

      Murdoch is politically agnostic as he is only interested in his bottom line and sees a marketing niche ignored by the mainstream media and is filling it. He is a member of the One World Government, One World Currency (easy to devalue) collectivist Council of Foreign Relations, hardly an organization supporting Individual Freedoms.

      The one benefit of FOX: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". At least they have some people on from 6-7 p.m. who have brains. No one else in the media can make that claim.

      • Bruce

        Good points Prude. I've been a Factor watcher from Day 1 and have recently noted a definite shift to a more center/left friendly slant. Ratings and revenue no doubt the main reason. O'Reilly's an unprincipled, mercenary sell-out as Mark Levin has known for a long time.

  • http://www.nola.com popseal

    Fox is scripted conservatism. By that, I mean heart and soul commitment to Judeo Christian values is not present. Like "reality" TV, it's not real, but scripted to seem so.

  • http://borderline.gotdns.org/ Patrick Martin

    Not surprising. I've already commented to and slammed Beck over this 'new found' position.

    Krauthammer has really wussed out! I find that even more depressing.

    Hard for me to understand how a Saudi 5.5% buy in to News Corp could have an influence like this.

    Guess I need to slam FoxNews in general, not that *my* opinion will change anything, but if I have words to express, I will. Email address anybody?

    Seems like we're in disparate need of conservative cable news. Anybody care to start a new channel?

    • Harriet

      could there be more to it than just a 5.5% buy to News corp?
      How does jihad keep dhimmi's in line? fatwa? anything else?
      Where is the real news?

  • ViewPoint

    It was recently reported that Fox's second largest stock holder; Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal repeatedly boasted about his enormous influence at Fox. The instance cited was in regard to Fox's coverage of the Muslim riots in France. According to the report, Prince Talal called Murdoch and protested the use of the words, "Muslim Riots," and pressed that they be changed to something neutered like, "Civil Protests." The request was immediately honored although it was, in fact, Muslims who were rioting, and not merely protesting, in France.

    In another recent report, Murdoch announced plans to headquarter a branch of News Corp in Saudi Arabia, adding that it is a great opportunity to further collaborate with the Saudi Royal family. This report also stated that the expanding association with the Saudi Prince has everything to do with Murdoch's son and heir apparent, who have a very close friendship.

  • landsperg

    it seems that Fox has lost it and gone left like all the others.

    • no sharia here

      So much for ‘fair and balanced’. Fox lost me when Shep Smith said Ibriham Hooper was ‘a stand-up guy’.

      • BS61

        I saw Shep for the first time this weekend, and was very upset at his stating the supposed facts of the Tea Party members attack on congressmen… no video, nothing – where did he get that – Huffington Post or Daily Koz. Between him and Geraldo, I haven't tuned in since. I'll stick to online stuff.

    • Jim C.

      Oh, please. You'll be back lapping it up next week.

  • Rick Geiger

    As a person that watches Fox frequently, it is plainly obvious that they have totally backed off on the issue of Islamists just as much as they have been push the EU line about Jerusalem being jewish settlements. Something has change there and it is sad and disappointng.. E.D. Hill did a great show on the threat of Islamists and then all of a sudden she was off the network.

  • Crusader

    GONE LEFT ? says landsperg .No , it's called prostituting your soul for MONEY , and that's what Murdock and Fox is all about . The FOOLISHNESS in this is , that they fed the right what it wanted to hear ,while all the time , being apologists for the enemies of this country ,indeed THE ENEMIES of civilisation itself . This is pathetic , and Dangerous .
    What it all comes down to , is that Fox ,Msnbc , ABC ,NBC , ALL of them are more concerned about advertising bucks , than they are about their own country . Right , Left , this is a illusion , a DISTRACTION from the TRUTH , islam is enemy to ALL . From Reagan to Obama , NONE have named this enemy by its TRUE NAME – BARBARIAN , MURDEROUS , DECIETFULL , DETERMINED , DEATH CULT ,GLOBAL , with an ETHOS which is anti-thetical to HUMANITY itself . Wilders sees this and has described it , his victory or loss in this case will be our victory or loss .

    • Infidel

      Amen Crusader. Tell it like it unfortuanately is. Islam is pure evil and I believe is the wrong and losing side of Armegeddan(sp?) to occur in the not-too-distant future.

  • DeadReckoning

    No Muslim living in the Uniited States or Europe for that matter, will openly denounce the radical Islamist because the radical Islamist are following exactly the dictates of the Koran. To do so would ban them as apostate.

  • Chezwick

    The premise is insulting…that Charles Krauthammer is nothing but a tool for management, mouthing words that are not his own. A much more sobering reality is that this thoughtful, intelligent, conservative pundit is just as clueless about Islam as those on the Left. God help us.

    • Karacek

      Any member of the CFR, as Krauthammer, is not clueless about Islam, but is part of the problem this country is facing. I lost respect for this man a long time ago!

    • Jim C.

      Yes, somehow, despite all the articles he's written to the contrary, despite all the appearances at conferences and round tables where he's spoken on the subject, now, somehow Charles Krauthammer is "clueless" and "Chezwick" knows the real score.

      • Chezwick

        Do you actually believe management instructed him to bad-mouth Wilders? My God man, such a p0resumption means he hasn't an ounce of personal integrity. Meanwhile, you underestimate the extent to which political-correctness has infected even conservatives. Krauthammer is not so clueless that he doesn't recognize the dangers of Islam, but he has neatly delineated Islam from Islamism in order to intellectually and psychologically cope with an otherwise seemingly insurmountable historical challenge. Wilders crime – in Krauthammer's eyes – is that he makes no such delineation. Wilders is right of course.

  • DomM

    Fox news was the place for news fair and balanced. It is no longer. It started with Bill ( I am blind and stupid and prove it by speaking) O'Reilly's endorsement of Kerry. Remember that? I do. It was a revelation. Then it got worse. They forgot what they were. Glenn Beck has many good points. His renting about god is not one of them. If he stuck to the facts it would be a good show. But no. He thinks he can convince people to be moral, ethical and filled with scruples. No way. It is fashionable to be vile, corrupt and without any morals. It is the American way. His emotional outbursts are pathetic. He appeal to reason unheeded. His intentions are good but the delivery of sermons should stay in church. Pound the communists with facts. I was going to say to get congress to help, but none are worthy. Not one. For only the most corrupt and vile of us consider running for any office. Lies, treachery, deceit and betrayal are now acceptable ways of doing business.

    • Jon Alan

      I sure hope things get better for you as this day progresses

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/The_Inquisitor The_Inquisitor

    A note to Fox News from Pastor Martin Niemoller:

    First they came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/darkmorrow darkmorrow

    sometimes I wonder if it isn't simply access to content. Access to the Demonlogues of information found only in the repressive states of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, etc. However, it could just be outright fear. I recall that when Beck did his special on Islamofacism while still at CNN, every single guest he had was threatened with death. Perhaps Krauthammer and Beck, feel that they are protecting the lives of others by stepping away from the limelight issues.
    That said. Islam is the religion of Death. Our Death. The sooner we accept that, and prepare for the inevitable, the sooner we can get past all the assinine debate.

  • Jack Samwell

    Fox has turned on Wilders because he advocates fighting Islamofacism by peaceful means: Education about the true nature of Islam and legislation preventing sharia law from usurping a country's culture and govt.

    Fox is a neo con mouthpiece and need conflict and teror to continue as a pretext for using the military to engage our county in costly no win affairs.

    What else makes sense? They aren't ignorant of Islamofacism or Wilders just oppostion to it.

    • artcohn

      You don't have the slightest idea about neocons.

  • Race

    Wilders is right. The Koran is the problem as it has caused misery and death for many millions over nearly 14 centuries. Muslims have been run out of Europe before and will be again, but it will take more bloodshed at the hands of Muslims.

  • Frank(ly) M'Dear

    I do not "watch FOX" the same way since Islamist dollars came into play. My respect for Glen Beck in particular is reduced significantly. The whole FOX reputation is on the line right now. FOX is aligned to join the rest of the irrelevant "legacy:" media like "newspapers", CNN, MSNBC, the three major broadcasters etc.

    Meanwhile, freedom and truth are dying a slow death

  • Crusader

    This behavior at Fox , should be no surprise , after all the ENEMY is only doing WHAT IT SAID IT WOULD DO ……….as the Muslim Brotherhood , has stated publicly .

  • Leo

    This is what happens when you made a deal with devil. Murdoch doesn't care about
    anything except $$$$$ signs. For him the truth is irrelevant, he would sell his soul(I'm not sure he has one) for money. Unfortunately there is no honest or objective news outlet. Thank God for the internet and the bloggers.
    Good job Frontpage keep fighting

  • Carole

    Money won`t be much good to you once your country is overthrown and you are murdered by muslim extremists!!

  • Turbeaux

    "Of course the majority of the Muslims living in Europe are not Islamists. It’s safe to wager that the majority of Muslims living in Iran are not Islamists either."

    That’s a wager I would love to accept. Can you put your money where your mouth is and backup you’re silly absurdity?

    I mean what you are claiming in fact is that most Muslims are not devout Muslims and otherwise reject the teachings of the Koran and Sunnah, and that assertion is utterly absurd and easily demonstrated to be false, since most Muslims are indeed very mosque attending devout Muslims.

    Your problem is not only do you not know and understand what the Koran and Sunnah actually teaches and inculcates but you also believe that only Muslims who openly call for jihad or openly commit acts of jihad violence are the proverbial so-called radicals. Everyone else in your book is a proverbial so-called moderate until they somehow miraculously self-radicalize and then perpetrates jihad violence.

    In other words, like most people you unwittingly buy into the absurd political correct multicultural model. However, the vast overwhelming amount of jihad that takes place around the world – and especially in the West – takes place via stealth, deception, and by non-violent means.

    Indeed, Saudi Arabian prince Alwaleed bin Talal’s 7 percent stake in News Corp is a classic example of non-violent jihad by stealth and deception in action. His primary motivation for his purchase of a stake in News Corp was to influence Fox News into silence when it comes to exposing Islam.

    He also gets to influence Fox News too when it comes to reporting on the Dar al Islam’s permanent jihad against Israel. The Dar al Islam uses the money weapon all the time to purchase influence in high places in the West. In fact, it owns the curriculum taught by most Middle East departments in our colleges and universities inside the USA and Europe

    Thus, just because you don’t see Muslims openly calling for jihad or otherwise killing kafir infidels in cold blood right before your eyes, doesn’t mean they aren’t devout Muslims that believe that the world needs to be made sovereign for Allah. Hell, just living in the West for the purpose of demographic conquest is a form of jihad, as the vast overwhelming amount of jihad takes place via stealth and deception.

    Indeed, if what you are asserting is the reality, then why are the vast overwhelming majority of Muslims that have been emigrating to Europe since in the 70s refusing to assimilate and integrate and instead forming Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside?

    What Geert Wilders is doing is calling attention to this predicament, as most people are ignorant and blind of this existential threat in their midst just like you, and the reason he is being brought to trial is because the Dar al Islam has been very successful in using the money weapon to purchase influence in high places.

    "Unlike its fellow networks, Fox is ready and willing to denounce radical jihadists who threaten not only the west, but who – if left unchecked – will upset delicate power structures in Muslim theocracies like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates that lean toward the west."

    If you naively believe that Saudi Arabia and the UAB somehow lean towards the West, then I have a bridge in New York I need to sell you. While it is true that AQ would like to overthrow what it contends are apostate rulers in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, it doesn’t mean that those so-called apostate rulers don’t believe exactly like AQ that the world must be made sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Sharia.

    Indeed, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are in fact the biggest financers of jihad in the world today and like AQ they fully expect to see Islam supreme throughout the world eventually as well. In fact, they represent an exponentially far greater existential threat to the West than just measly AQ. But don’t tell that to our blinded by political correct multiculturalism State Department because they will claim that you are an Islamaphobe or worst.

  • PRCS

    Rich Trzupek states:

    “Wilders criticizes Islam, not Muslims, because he believes that Islam is ultimately employed as a totalitarian system of governance, whatever it’s attributes or flaws as a religion.”

    Employed by whom? Militant Presbyterians? Disgruntled Methodists?

    Like every other ideology, without human beings to employ it, Islam is just a collection of books and documents.

    So let’s be logical, and honest.

    Given that those aspects of Islamic ideology which threaten ‘unbelievers’ cannot be employed without the active participation of individual Muslims, Wilders’ claim is absurd.

    Though far and away more informed about Islam than Krauthammer and others appear to be, not everything Wilders says makes sense.

    • guest

      you are splitting hairs here. having lived for decades in predominantly moslem countries one can easily separate out the ideology itself, from the followers. the ideology is very aggressive repressive and violent and it is all documented and easily available in umpteen languages. the followers lie on a spectrum from the highly religious and thus pure followers to the mid level followers to the weakly practicing and finally the secretly disbelievers.(to protect their lives). those at the high end of the spectrum will be pro jihadi at heart regardless of what they admit to in public. while the others practice less rigidly, in theory they are basically poor believers and are never able to argue back from a religious point of view as they will lose the argument. if they were all to go against their nature and personalities, and to practice rigorously,we would overnight have over a BILLION terrorists all over the globe. thankfully, up till now the majority are unable to bring themselves to that depraved level of hatred and violence and cruelty that is actually demanded by this ideology. the clergy will always try to immerse the mid level or low grade believers into deeper levels of fundamentalist belief and those who are unwilling will be constantly shamed for their lack of belief or religious fervor.
      if the rest of the world understands this situation, you will realize that wilders is fully correct in his gloomy analysis and is simply sounding the alarm to wake up the pathetically ignorant and slumbering western democracies to the danger that the whole rest of the world already recognizes after 14 centuries of very bloody and cruel suffering all over the world on account of this violent ideology that is basically a heartless expansionism and conquest veiled under a flimsy religious cloack but whose followers dare not think or question and whose victims dare not believe and lull their alarm with media guided denial of the suicidal kind.
      in this sense wilders is deeply unique and so is the ex moslem shrink wafa sultan and the ex moslem africandutch MP ayan hirsi ali .they are staking their lives to sound the alarm before it is too late.
      if sharia is allowed to creep in slowly it WILL destroy all the gains that humanity had won over many painful centuries of errors and suffering. look at afghanistan sudan iran pakistan and saudi(forget the oil glitter)

    • Crusader

      MORE APOLOGETICS , BUT NOW FROM TRZUPEK !.. It's just "wrapped differently" . Absurd ? !
      The only thing ABSURD about Wilders , is that his warning is true , it is accurate , it is real , and Wilders is being persecuted by the enemy he so truly describes , in his own country , A FREE WESTERN COUNTRY , and THE ENEMY is being facilitated by his own countrymen … and in so doing , are baring their own necks to the enemy ,and sacrificing their own champion – THAT IS THE ABSURDITY .

  • Doubleblack4

    Just give me one founding Father of our hopefully great nation and I believe we could turn this around. As for that other religion, if it looks like, smells like, looks like, well you know. Time is running out to save western civilization, but then again if we really hate ourselves this may be the right thing to do, that is commit suicide.

  • cochavi1

    "Given that those aspects of Islamic ideology which threaten 'unbelievers' cannot be employed without the active participation of individual Muslims, Wilders' claim is absurd."

    Many of them participate through financial donations and 'moral support' while remaining in the background. Further, the purpose of terror in the service of Jihad is to terrorize, while using relatively few resources. One guy with dynamite or nitro in his underwear can destroy a plane. The next time a plane is blown up, it may be by a woman (or man) with plastic explosives inside their body, after surgery for this purpose.

    The point is that the average, silent Muslim is complicit. That's all they need to be. Between the terror, the purchase of influence and indoctrination (you don't need to 'teach' Islam directly, just indoctrinate the young with hatred of their own countries), the conscious attempt to turn people dhimmis (supported by propaganda and fear of terro), and the corruption of Western officials who are basically agents of Islam – that is enough. Tony Blair, Obama, Brown, Millband, Sarkozy can all be pointed to as people who 'need' Islam for financial, status and ego reasons, and will sacrifice their own nations' security to meet those 'needs.'

    You are also missing the Taqiyya portion of things. Muslims in the US, Europe, Israel are quite capable of being outwardly friendly to their Infidel hosts, then celebrating when the latest terror attack blows apart the Infidel's bodies.

  • Wayne Hunnicutt

    I feel much like the wife of Tiger Woods, betrayed by Fox news. to hear people i trusted speak so ignorantly about the "Religion of Peace" and Geert Wilders. Now I realize that the dollar is more important than truth. I will endeavor to never again forget the advise of my wonderful grandfather "believe nothing you hear and about one half of what you see." i believe Islam will bury us if we do not make an effort to understand what a sh-t storm is on the way.

  • Andres de Alamaya

    Talk, talk, talk. When will America recapture the Spirit of '76 and cleanse the country of these Trojan Horses?

  • Reyol

    Robert Murdoch is an apolitical businessman who correctly realized that there was a lot of money to be made with a right leaning news channel. Now his success has attracted offers that he “cannot refuse”. You won’t be able to count on Fox News anymore.

  • Jacob Stueckelberg

    The whole problem of Muslims living in the free world (whether “radical”, “moderate” or possibly defined according to some other fuzzy gradient tool) boils down to the following two fundamental and almost childishly simple (and therefore 100% non-PC) questions to Muslims only. The response by Western Muslims (secularized Muslims need not apply) to (1) and (2) would never be presented in a MSM poll:

    (1) Do you fully agree that Islam is a religion just like any other religion?

    (2) Do you fully realize that Islam will never play a dominant or even marginal role in the political and public life of the nations of the free world?

    The outcome of such a poll would probably demonstrate that even Mr. Geert Wilders hasn’t quite grasped the enormous scale and magnitude of our present and near-future problems with an exponentially growing Muslim population in the free and democratic world.

    Thanks Rich Trzupek for your brilliant analysis.

    • cochavi1

      That is formulated and expressed very well. Their answers, as you imply, are 'no' and 'no' if they answer honestly. Just as most of the populations in Jordan and Pakistan, two rather different countries, support Jihad and AQ. The percentages in the US would be somewhat lower, because of common sense in answering the question (taqiyya). But as you say, the dhimmi-ized media could never ask such questions.

      • Jacob Stueckelberg

        cochavi1, thanks for your response. I agree with you.
        How would the politicians of the free world react to this kind of result of a poll among Muslims that we're thinking of?
        Probably by denying that such a view would be "a problem"…

        • cochavi1

          Jacob, they would dismiss it. But the fact that the media know in their hearts that the answers would come out, 'Ummah ummah ummah' is enough to avoid it. I mean, they avoid looking at Obama's background – or think that he is the example of a man raised as a 'moderate Muslim' – they know he was raised Muslim.

          We only have to look at his cooperation with Odinga in Kenya, and his silence over the jihad massacres against the Kenyan Christians after Odinga lost.

          See how Obama treats India, etc. He stands with the Muslims because his heart is in Islam.

      • Jacob Stueckelberg

        Thanks for your comment.
        Suppose such a poll would be carried out and suppose the result would look something like you and I assume it would. How would Western world politicians react to the prospect of having a small but growing minority of Muslims around who feel more loyalty towards Islam than towards the secular, democratic ideas of their adopted home?
        Again the answer doesn't seem to require the activation of lots of frontal brain matter…

  • NappieRed

    Bring on Breitbart TV

  • No Dhimmi

    I am what some might call a "leftist" in many of my views. Yet, others label me a "Neocon." I am in reality neither, because I don't follow any party line but simply go on an issue-to-issue basis with my opinions.

    In this regard, I am squarely in Wilders's camp – and there is no way I consider him on this issue to be a "right winger." He is not – he is simply telling the truth and helping to preserve true human civilization.

    Have you looked more closely at who really owns FOX these days? Is Murdoch a mere figurehead, with Saudi money backing him? Saudis have been buying up media wherever they can…

    Always follow the money!

    • guest

      agreed with you fully

    • irishbeauty

      I am a conservative, No Dhimmi, and am right there with you on this. I couldn't have said it better than you did. Thank you. I have great respect for Geert and am so disgusted by the "noise" the media places around him, distorting and quibbling about the truth he is revealing. It is a profound truth, indeed. As, of course, most importantly, his right to say it. Truth is, he didn't SAY anything (as you know)! He merely REVEALED it! When this becomes a widespread "thoughtcrime" as it seems to be doing, we're in big trouble! Huge! Thanks for your post.

      (He is simply telling the truth and helping to preserve true human civilization.)

  • No Dhimmi

    Oops! I missed this paragraph. As they say, great minds think alive!

    "Could it have anything to with Saudi Arabian prince Prince Alwaleed bin Talal’s stake in News Corp.? Might Murdoch’s increasingly cozy relationship with Arabic media giant Rotana Group have something to do with it?"

    It absolutely could. Non-Muslims better start sticking together, or we are doomed!

  • flyingtiger

    As long as the Saudi prince owns any stock in Fox news, I will not believe anything they say.
    Sigh… Fox news used to be the best. Now under the influence of the Saudi prince, they are like any other news organization- worthless!

  • jewdog

    Wilders's message is at odds with the Bushian bromide that it's only a few bad apples, as you point out, that spoil a peaceful religion. Baloney! Islam is a violent, supremacist ideology, and the sooner we admit that the better of we'll be.
    Once that's accomplished we need to question the wisdom of US taxpayers forking over bllions (or is it trillions?) to install a democratic infrstructure for a bunch of ignorant Neaderthals. The let's-encourage-the-moderates tack has reached its logical level of absudity under Obama. How about a let's-seize-the-oil strategy instead? Now, that's an effective war strategy that would win.

  • connie

    Fox, my favorite for years is making me angry. In fact, that humungous swish you just heard is the sound of thousands of Fox watchers heading for the exit! Bye bye O'Reilly and Beck! Your gigantic audience is going to leave you!

  • artcohn

    Fox News's biggest problem is Reena Ninan. She reports from Israel as if she was reading from the Palestinians Arabs' propaganda script… She is on virtually every day for many newscasts. Lately her poison has spread. Shepherd Smith introduces her, echoing enthusiastically the distortions, such as that Jerusalem is a "settlement", that she is about to say. Amy Kellogg had a piece on the Golan and Syria that completely omitted the terrorism supported by Syria. Wendell Goler completely mis-stated Res. 242 in reporting on Israel.

    • Turbeaux

      You know Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal has to get his money’s worth. Meanwhile, the Fox-al-Arabia news team knows who butters their bread.

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  • theFantom

    There has never been a single website, news organization, or collector organization that will (or should) satisfy anyone unless that person has a very rigid ideology. Fox does well in some areas and not so well in others.

    If Beck and Krauthammer have been "ordered" to utter such nonsense, that would be truly sad. Might it not be a lapse?

  • Teq

    Follow the money…
    When it comes to Krauthammer, I think he had a "semantic reaction" that clouded his judgement. "Fitna' has scenes which are similar to the German film "The Eternal Jew" and I bet that's what caused his blood to curdle. I had a few curdles myself watching it, though I'm sure the Dutchman didn't mean to cause that reaction. Geetz needs a semantics coach.

  • Ben

    It gets worse! Most younger generation use the web for their news information. And Google News includes stories from Al Jezeera alongside Western sources like NY Times., WSJ, and Fox. The typcal web addict, i.e. most under 30, will get equal doses of Arab propaganda mixed with Fox and NBC, and no way to tell the difference. The West is being assimilated into the medeival dark age mindset by such added means.

    Money is not the problem, just the symptom. Oil is the problem! We depend on it and its source comes from Arabia. Oil money is inflating the ME's barbaric cultural beliefs inside the West. But it was once our money. We've got to constrict the outflow of $ to the shiekdoms, and quickly. We should start a gradual and perpetual oil-import tax, and use the funds to strengthen America.

    We should wean ourselves away from driving everywhere on a whim. Gas moving up to $10 should help keep $ out of the ME. We should tell China to help the U.S. with Iran or else find another oil-route protector (they rely on it much more than the U.S.) The mere threat against Iran's nukes, missiles, and gas depots, is a quick way to keep cars parked.

  • Blacktop

    Lets not forget. Not too many months ago it was announced that the Arabs had purchased a chunk of Fox news. It only makes sense that when you sleep with the enemy you start to act like them.

  • guest

    fox has behaved shamefully in this matter. very shamefully. same so krauthammer and others. rotana and the saudi prince are gaining more power globally via the money factor. mostly undeserved oil money. the prince is the same lout whose 10 million dollar check to NY at 9 11 was shoved back in his pathetically arrogant face by mayor giulianni because the man thought that for this money he could blame and chastise the US itself for the crime of 9 11. the saudi oil money is very actively converting universities into pro islamic institutions, converting mosques to fundamentalist ideology and being used in many many lawsuits to silence free speech exposing this violent expansionist ideology for what it really is by teaching and actual historic example.
    in the long run , but perhaps when it is too late, western civilization will realize that the ideology itself is horrific and that means that the so called moderates are less violent not due to a lesser violent brand of this religion, rather they practice loosely and as such are constantly shamed and berated by the pure followers who practice more true to form. hence you will find that the so called moderates will rarely have any argument with the terrorists as they already feel ashamed for being behind on the teachings of their creed. to attack the more violent ones exposes them to being accused of being weak believers and even heretics ie sinners in western terminology but according to sharia law punishable by anything from lashings to death. for example if they are accused of simply being "non believers" or converters then that is punishable by death!!! in their god dictated law ie sharia. which they are ordered to force on all peoples by hook or by crook.
    hence mr wilders is neither a fascist nor a bigot, nor paranoid. he is simply simply telling the truth and not a watered down dishonest version of this so called religion.
    ANYONE can verify the truth by reading official translation of the moslem books ie koran hadith sirah and the major later religious writers who added more insult to injury as far as womens rights and dealing with minorities and non coreligionists. Just buy or borrow the official translations and learn the shocking truth for yourself. it is only in the suicidally ignorant west that this creed can be so easily re spun and watered down by greedy or cowardly media. everyone east of greece knows the shocking truth and it is so well known even to tots that no amount of media lies can cover it. just ask any honest mideasterner who feels safe enough to tell you. or simply go to faithfreedom.org or islam-watch.org or jihadwatch and many other sites that will tell the truth and give the exact text location if that is what you want

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    "We are financing a war against ourselves, and the way things are going, we will soon be paying the enemy more than we are paying our own military", – Dr. Zubrin says.

    http://www.resonoelusono.com/Imminent.htm

  • Joe

    Turbeaux has taken the words out of my mouth !! Western leaders MUST read the Koran which is binding on ALL Muslims, Most individual Muslims would not start a jihad on their own initiative but if the Imam orders them to rise and kill the infidels (us), they MUST obey that order or be regarded as apostates worthy of beheading.
    Also, any Muslim who leaves his religion commits the worst sin and again is worthy of death.
    So, this means that the so-called "moderates" are sleeping partners of the eventual uprising because THEY ARE TRAPPED IN THEIR SYSTEM !!! There is no escape.
    The tragedy is that our politicians and media are almost all afraid to move against this terrible threat to the West. Yet they are the only ones who have the influence and the finances available to surround themselvers with the necessary security measures to protect themselves and their families.
    The cry goes out – "Where are the men of courage who will face facts and stand out against the overthrow of Democracy and civilization ???"
    We should all thank God for Geert Wilders and pray for him if we believe in prayer because the outcome of his trial is going to have a big influence on Western civilization.

  • Liberty Clinger

    If Fox News will not defend sacred (God-given) human liberty (freedom of speech) after being bought off by a Muslim Prince, why should we believe that Fox News won't in the future be bought off by a Marxist Prince? Marxists hate freedom of speech every bit as much as Islamists.

    “And the abolition of this state of things is called by the bourgeois, abolition of individuality and freedom! And rightly so. The abolition of bourgeois individuality, bourgeois independence, and bourgeois freedom is undoubtedly aimed at… The fight of the Germans… against feudal aristocracy and absolute monarchy, in other words, the liberal movement, became more earnest. By this, the long-wished for opportunity was offered to "True" Socialism (Communism) of confronting the political movement (Classic Liberalism) with the socialistic demands, of hurling the traditional anathemas against liberalism, against representative government, against bourgeois competition, bourgeois freedom of the press, bourgeois legislation, bourgeois liberty and equality.” Karl Marx

    http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manife

  • Crusader

    When will the people of this country realize , that this enemy DESIRES TO CUT OUR THROATS , it is dogmatic in the Q'uran , it is the bottom line , and if given the chance , they WILL do it ….WITH GLEE !

    There is no left or right , it is US AGAINST THEM , plain and simple , and there is no middle ground for ANY non-muslim. It is written in their book , it is the goal of their prophet , and it behooves every good muslim to struggle [jihad ] for it , they preach it in their mosques , they teach it to their children , This is not their rhetoric , it is their IMPERATIVE .
    Fox has SOLD US OUT , they are an instrument of our enemy , like the rest who lack the spine to standup and face the enemy , seeing clearly eye to eye . A sure sign of this is thetreatment of Wiloders , and Becks LUDICROUS statement bthat he has read the Q'uran and concluded , islam is a religion of peace !~ GLEN BECK IS HIMSELF A TRAITOR .

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  • warner mobley

    The Christian Bible says "The love of money is the root of all evil" and no better example of that than FOX news bending over for Saud dollars.
    The truth is we are hated by the Muslim world. It is not only political correctness, but also
    political madness to hear the words of hatred aimed at the West and not accept them as
    reality. Even the threats of Osama bin Laden were taken from the eighth and ninth chapters of the Koran.

    "When you meet the unbelievers strike them in the neck…. If you do not go out and fight,
    God will punish you severely…Whenever you find the polytheists, kill them, seize them,
    besiege them, ambush them…You who believe do not take Jews and Christians as friends…
    The Hour of Judgement will not come until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them".

    A good muslim is a jihadist. A bad muslim wants peace.

    The muslims will try to kill Jews and us no matter what the consequences or circumstances.
    Read for yourself.

    Mr. Krauthammer needs to read the Qu'ran

  • aaa

    Arius a lot of people hate the jews
    not only muslims

  • Crusader

    That's right …,BIGOTS and JEW HATERS come in all stripes , and display varying stages of the same disease and spiritual sickness ,most carrying their malady to the grave .

  • Crusader

    It would do ALL well to read again FPM's 2008 article by Dr.Peter Hammond :

    http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30675

    This includes you too Rich Trzupek .

  • Crusader

    There is no middle ground against an enemy who has emphatically , by it's own dogma and behavior , displays no middle ground , implies no middle ground and indeed has no middle ground .

  • http://www.tableofwisdom.com MrArbitrage

    As I wrote March 17 in a piece called "Rupert Murdoch's unfaithfulness to America " at http://www.TableOfWisdom.com – "The media, at our peril, venerate the terrorist Muhammad – and to be honest, that word is a euphemism for the so-called “prophet”. As I look at the western media dismissing a prescient man like Wilders, it reminds me of the years of disdain that Sir Winston Churchill endured from Parliament and the media as he vociferously warned them of the evils of Adolf Hitler.

    The ignorance toward the murderous intent of Islam upon the entire globe is absolutely surreal. Couple that with the extreme hostility those same appeasers of Islam have toward Christ and it will strengthen the faith of anyone who knows the scriptures because of the accuracy of the promises, one of which is that good will be looked upon as evil and evil as good.

  • http://www.tableofwisdom.com MrArbitrage

    When I say it is surreal it is because the global treachery is all so obvious and undeniable to anyone who simply reads Islamic history and examines the Quran and the Hadith. To anyone with even a modicum of intellectual capability, it would seem IMPOSSIBLE for what we see happening – to actually be happening! But it IS! It is like Invasion of the BRAIN Snatchers.

    • http://www.tableofwisdom.com MrArbitrage

      I’ll never be able to erase from my mind the live broadcast by the Hollywood A-list after the Muslim mission’s trip of September 11th. A day or two later while the smoke and fire of the twin towers were still smoldering, Actor Will Smith on a national telethon, stood before the camera with a frail Muhammad Ali by his side and praised Islam for being such a “religion of peace.”

      What has Islam or ANY Muslim in the world ever done to deserve such laudations? Where were these Hollywood degenerates when Mother Theresa died? You barely heard a mention of her deeds from the media or any of these shallow narcissists because ironically, Princess Diana died on the same day and they were all too busy worshipping the former princess for her lifelong self-sacrifices.

      .)

  • http://www.tableofwisdom.com MrArbitrage

    To Murdoch, the Hollywood miscreants and all of those in government who wish to sell out the United States for a few billion:

    If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of {political correctness} better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. – Samuel Adams (adapted for 21st Century by MrArbitrage)" (There's much more to the column if you care for this snippet

  • Daniel

    The 'mainstream media' and 'population' ignore this at their peril. Within 10 years I believe radical right wing Governments in Europe will rise just as Hitler did. This time their will be no stopping them and these liberals who refuse to denounce Islam today will be absolutely shocked in the years to follow. Don't blame me. We stood up for our values when the liberals did not. What we got was the prophets being ignored before the bastions of civilization come out to defend it violently. Who knows if these liberals will be swept up in it. All that I know is Hungary and the Netherlands among others will rise from the depths and become very, very angry. Don't get in their way, or you may just be asking for some action.

  • Crusader

    Trzupek's asasertion is absolutely WRONG .And so surprisingly NAIVE, it leads me to question his motives underlying his "assertion " . Trzupeks falls into the pit of denial , and YOU PRCS , blindly follow .
    Over 15.000 acts of terrorism , costing over 40.000 lives , murdered by muslims around the Globe since 9/11 , muslims slaughtering the innocent ,other muslims , and non -muslims . DID SOMEONE MENTION "ACTIVE PARTICIPATION " ????? HOW ABOUT ACTIVE ACQUIESCENSE ON THE PART OF THE GENERAL BODY OF MUSLIMS ?

    I suggest that YOU -.PRCS , read the Q'uran , because you obviously have not , unless you did it in the way Beck claims . If you can not glean the ETHOS exposed in this vile "ideology " , then your are not qualified to make ANY comment on the subject , let alone join in the criticism of Wilders . There are 1.5 billion muslims on this planet , and if only 10% follow the Q'uran in a way in which they may be described as "good muslims " , that equals 100 million , and what percentage , have given UNQUALIFIED CONDEMNATION of these slaughters???
    If

  • Cfrusader

    If you believe your own words PRCS , then you are already a victim of Taqiyya , and of a self-imposed ignorance of reality , and you are in denial of what your own eyes see in objective observations

  • PRCS

    Repeating here, for those who didn't understand it the first time:

    Rich Trzupek states:

    "Wilders criticizes Islam, not Muslims, because he believes that Islam is ultimately employed as a totalitarian system of governance, whatever it’s attributes or flaws as a religion."

    Employed by whom? Militant Presbyterians? Disgruntled Methodists?

    Like every other ideology, without human beings to employ it, Islam is just a collection of books and documents.

    So let's be logical, and honest.

    Given that those aspects of Islamic ideology which threaten 'unbelievers' cannot be employed without the active participation of individual Muslims, Wilders' claim is absurd.

    Though far and away more informed about Islam than Krauthammer and others appear to be, not everything Wilders says makes sense.

    ***
    It is absurd to citicize Islam–an ideology–and give a pass to those who actually threaten us with that ideology. The Qur'an itself will not injure me. A Muslim acting in accordance with its teachings might.

    If Trzupek's assertion is accurate, then Wilders needs to rethink his position.

  • ROSE

    DID THE HOUSE OF SAUDI NOT BUY INTO MURDOCK'S EMPIRE??? AND DOES MURDOCK NOT OWN FOX??????

    THERE IS YOUR ANSWER.

  • Crusader

    Exactly , and I can not fathom WHY Trzupek is even remotely apologetic regarding the charge of facist , leveled against Wilders .
    Wilders only problem is , that he is IN FACT well informed regarding islam , and is cognizant of the inevitable end of it's agendas, should they be brought to full fruition in his own country . These effects are self evident to Wilders , and should be, to anyone possesing even minimal power of observation .

  • posse 101

    if you buy into the politically correct pap that not all muslims are radicals just go to thereligionofpeace.com homepage. that'll straighten out your falafel (so to speak). and if you refuse to go there you're a dhimmi without even realizing it. congratulations shmuckhead!

  • http://Hollywoodremoteleash.com A Bit Profound

    Why are jews so hated throughout the world ? —- It is the nature of evil ti hate good

  • http://Hollywoodremoteleash.com A Bit Profound

    Speaking of P.C. Some say Political Correctness is lying out of cowardice. I only wish it were that benign. Political Correctness is Suppression of the Truth for the Purpose of Advancing the Left Wing Agenda. Political Correctness is a form of mind control, meant to limit and control free speech and to undermine public opinion. It intends to weaken the defenses of a free democracy and reeducate our children. It is a well known and well documented Communist subversion tactic and procedure.
    The truth must come 1st, last and always. Stand for truth. Don't let them get away with it ! Call it what it is — A Tactic in the Dismantling of Traditional America and Suppression of the Truth for the Purpose of Advancing the Left Wing Agenda.
    The evil of "political correctness" – the totalitarian manipulation of thought, foisted on us by elitist sociopaths who hate America and everything our soldiers have fought and died for over the last two centuries, and continue to fight and die for – has to end. Now. This nation must rise up and defy the insane thought control that is destroying our country right before our eyes.

  • http://Hollywoodremoteleash.com A Bit Profound

    When a Muslim is not very devout, he may let his conscience and common sense trump his religion. As explained above No Non Muslim can be considered innocent. When they tell you that the killing of innocents is against Islam, UNDERSTAND THAT. Most all peaceful verses in the Qur'an have been abrogated (superceded by later verses, making them null and void, although the Muslims often quote them to Non Muslims.) Peace is not for the Infidel, but to be only between Muslims. (and they are not even very good at that)

  • Dee

    What about Sean Hannity –did he have any notable reaction to Wilders ? Usually he is an outspoken critic of anything in issues concerning Islam ..comparatively speaking, that is ..

  • Captain Canuck

    I'm a Canadian , and as such I am polite and am generally careful about how and when I express my opinions . My country as well has fallen victim to the leftist lie of multiculturism and political correctness . It bothers me when logic and necessity take a back seat to politeness and political correctness like I'm seing in our media as well . I agree one hundred percent that we've been tolerant too long and that the situation in western culture has gone on long enough and there's enough people tied up in the promotion of islamification that by the time the right rises up to correct it the only solution will be mass bloodshed.We have the apologists to thank for this…………I will always celebrate christmas and I'll not change my lifestyle or culture to suit the "newcomers".

  • Captain Canuck

    My father was in the Canadian army 20 years and was on many peacekeeping missions. I know what goes on over there and am always mistified , that when people finally get the opportunity to come to this beautiful country of ours the first thing they set about doing is to begin imposing they're culture on us, they try to turn this country into the shit hole they left behind. Europeans trying to preserve their own culture , the one our relatives died to protect is a sacred resposibility , not racism.

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