A Muslim Soldier Confesses

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“One has to understand where I’m coming from. I consider myself … a Muslim soldier.” With these words, would-be Times Square car bomber Faisal Shahzad made it abundantly clear that when he parked his explosives-laden SUV in Times Square on May 1, he was waging Islamic jihad in accord with Islamic law that makes defensive jihad obligatory upon every Muslim: “I am part of the answer to the U.S. terrorizing the Muslim nations and the Muslim people,” he declared Monday. “And, on behalf of that, I’m avenging the attack.”

MSNBC’s Contessa Brewer’s hope, expressed on the air, that the Times Square bomber “was not going to be anybody with ties to any kind of Islamic country” has been definitively disappointed. Will she now host an in-depth investigation of the jihad doctrine and Islamic supremacism, explaining the concept of jihad warfare and Shahzad’s real motivations to MSNBC viewers? Don’t hold your breath – but Shahzad’s explanation of his motives once again exposes the dangers of the mainstream media’s ongoing refusal to discuss honestly the jihad against the United States.

Only Islamic theology makes sense of Shahzad’s words and actions. In court Monday, Shahzad said he was retaliating against those who “attacked the Muslim lands.” U.S. District Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum responded by pointing out that those attackers were “not the people who were walking in Times Square that night. Did you look around to see who they were?”

Shahzad then explained: “Well, the people select the government. We consider them all the same. The drones, when they hit…”

Cedarbaum then interrupted him to ask: “Including the children?”

Shahzad responded: “Well, the drone hits in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don’t see children, they don’t see anybody. They kill women, children, they kill everybody. It’s a war, and in war, they kill people. They’re killing all Muslims.”

The idea that the allegedly indiscriminate killing done by Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq gives Shahzad a license as a Muslim to kill Americans indiscriminately in Times Square comes straight from the Qur’an: “The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto” (42:40).

Nonetheless, the obfuscation and denial was especially egregious this time: Ezra Klein in the Washington Post led the way into fantasyland when he observed that Shahzad had defaulted on the mortgage on his home in Connecticut and that the property was now in foreclosure: “foreclosures generate an enormous amount of misery and anxiety and depression that can tip people into all sorts of dangerous behaviors that don’t make headlines but do ruin lives. And for all that we’ve done to save the financial sector, we’ve not done nearly enough to help struggling homeowners.”

Will Ezra Klein now issue a retraction, an apology, and an explanation of what it means to be a “Muslim soldier”?

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  • jbrinkmeyer

    On the other hand, according to Robert Spencer, who can better be described as a "pseudo-scholar", the only truly guilty ones are Muslims who are his scape goats for all things evil in the world. Is it possible that this young man has, like extremists that are linked to what they themselves call "Christian militias" such as the Arayan Nation, been drawn for psychological reasons into a movement that empowers those who feel disempowered? Is it possible that he is, in fact, a Timothy McVeigh figure, using Islam rather than being inspired by it? Certainly it is worth considering

    • pyeatte

      That is not reasonable. These guys are very explicit and Not disempowered. They very much are eager extremists that want to follow Islam. The Koran gives them guidance to kill all non-Muslims. It matters not what we do – our existence is enough all by itself.

    • Paul of Alexandria

      You have obviously not been paying attention, and you have obviously not read Robert Spencer's work, or any other work on Islam or the Arabs: I recommend "The Arab Mind" by Raphael Patai. Spencer extensively quotes a wide variety of sources to prove his contention that the actions of the Muslim Jihadis is not only tolerated under Islam but mandated by it.


      Robert Spencer is a scholar, by any reasonable definition, and very broadly so – and it is beyond question that he is and has been a student and scholar of the Qur'an and of Islam generally, and both their internal and external relationship with the West. He has my unqualified respect, both for his scholarship and for his courageousness.

      In sharp contrast, your churlish, specious and feckless attack is meanspirited and your later words warrant neither attention nor comment.


      Robert Spencer is a scholar, by any reasonable definition, and very broadly so – and it is beyond question that he is and has been a student and scholar of the Qur'an and of Islam generally, and both their internal and external relationship with the West. He has my unqualified respect, both for his scholarship and for his courageousness.

    • phoebeintheforest

      Talk about the kettle calling the stove black! Brinkmeyer….you are the pseudo-scholar!

    • crossbow87

      Hey, jerk-weed, do you even know what the Aryan Nation is? I used to live near their compound in Hayden Lake Idaho…most were ex-cons with drug habits who were paid with narcotics to protect the Reverend Butler….from all those other white people in North Idaho who knew he was a joke. The flaccid Aryan Nation would shoot paper targets with the Star of David on them. Different in kind from Muslims, different in actions from Muslims.

    • Rifleman

      How are bankers' sons, major construction company owners' sons, and upper middle class muslims dis-empowered? Timothy mcveigh was an atheist, and so are neo-nazis (many are actually proud death cult pagans, like the original nazis). The only thing they have in common is they gravitate towards cultures and 'institutions' that encourage, or at least allow them to indulge their predatory and violent tendencies. The terrorist stands there and tells you his intentions and justifications flat out, yet you still can't believe it.

      "the only truly guilty ones are Muslims who are his scape goats for all things evil in the world." Is that what passes for a scholarly statement these days?

    • Cowboy

      Have you ever actually read what is in the Qur’an and Hadiths ?

      Can you actually refute Robert Spencer's research and writings ?

      You have a problem in that Spencer's research is based not on quotations from 'extremists', but on quotations from 'mainstream' Islamic Holy books, imams and 'scholars'.

  • Consider

    The problem is religion per se, not just Islam.
    The author takes pains to cite the appropriate verses from the Koran, to suggest that Islamic theology is the source of the malaise. One needs not waste time and space to cite even worse passages from the Bible that could serve as basis for identical behavior from the part of the Christians (or the Jews for that matter).
    One could argue that the last mentioned do not generally behave as the Islamists do today.
    But then it results that the dubious (or better say ridiculous) ‘advantage’ of one religious doctrine over another is that its followers take it much less seriously. For doctrinal standards this ‘advantage’ is defeating.
    If it is better not to follow a doctrine seriously it is then much better to discard it completely.

    • therealend

      You might want to consider something else. Islamic fundamentalists are the ones with suicide bombers, decapitators, and flying planes full of people into buildings full of people-ers. They are the ones hanging homosexuals from cranes in Tehran and shooting adulterous females in soccer stadiums. They have willing to use children as bombers and babies to hide bombs. I can think of no other religion that does that per se. So, I get to discard your comment completely, right?

      • Consider

        'I can think of no other religion that does that per se'
        Other religions did it in the past and there is no gurantee that they will not do it again.
        What is written in their doctrine remains unchanged. The only question is when it shall be taken seriously again.

        • therealend

          So, "bless them that curse you", or "love thy neighbor as thyself" or "offer the other cheek also" are bound to create mayhem? Incredible!

          Before anyone in Europe could read, the chruch heirarchy controlled what the people knew of the Bible. After that came Martin Luther and the reformation. and then all kinds of positive things happened. Are you worried that we headed toward some illiterate future?

          Also, the 20th century non-religiuos figures such as Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Kim IL Sung, Pol Pot brought havoc with them. So it's not so much religion per se as people willing to follow unbelieveably horrid teachings, religious or otherwise.

          • TLH

            Before anyone in Europe could read, the chruch heirarchy controlled what the people knew of the Bible.

            if you are illiterate and i am not do i control you or is the state of illiteracy by definition the real problem?

          • therealend

            Knowledge is power, which should be demonstrated once again this November. We shall see.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

            Where do the literate not control what the illiterate know? When?

        • TLH

          other religions did what? please spell out the details and please quote the new testament passages that back up your point. When christians commit atrocities they do so in spite of the teaching and example of their founder. when muslims commit atrocities they do so because of the teaching and example of their founder.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

          "…in the past, and there's no guarantee that they will not do it again. " – That describes all of humanity, but some aren't, and some are right now. If you really believe what you say, shouldn't you start with those that are?

          Where does Jesus tell me to subjugate or kill unbelievers?

          Consider that atheist commies are unequaled in the recorded history of mankind in murder and subjugation, and tell me, by your logic, what the problem isn't?

    • reason

      // ne needs not waste time and space to cite even worse passages from the Bible that could serve as basis for identical behavior //

      Please, do waste your time, and find these verses that will serve as a basis for an identical, never ending, often suicidal, struggle to eliminate all religions from the face of the earth and to subject them to your rule. I am willing to wager heavily on the fact that you CANNOT find anything even remotely close in the bible.

      Religion is the problem, but equivocating Islam with all the other religions is disingenuous at best. This is often the problem, and it obfuscates the issue. On the one hand, you realize Islam is a horrid, violent religion, but you cannot bring yourself to condemn it. Why? Because other religions preach the same doctrine! Of course, nobody ever bothers to substantiate this claim. On the other hand, you realize that ALL religions are a problem, but none of them (or at least, Islam) can be blamed individually, as if the label of "religious intolerance" comes in a one size fits all package.

      So, please, do find those citations … I'll won't be holding my breath.

    • Clay Cole


      You are guilty of intellectual laziness. There is no such thing as equality of anything and there is no such thing as perfection. From your post these are the standards you have for religion. Those standards are for people that are too lazy to make judgements on a subject. It is easier just to condeim all.

      You expect people who believe in a god to to think that all atheist are mass murders becasue Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Ho Ci Min, Castro, Hugo Chevez, Pol Pot ect. are. Or, that the because of these athetist that every atheist wants the state to controll every aspect of an individuals life.

      An objective reading of history shows that secular humanism is much more propone to abuse than religion.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      You might want to read the Torah and the New Testament because neither condones the killing of nonChristians nor onMuslims. Sure the Canaanites bit it, and a few others, but the numbers killed in the Torah pale when you review Islam's history, or for that matter Communist history.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Rifleman Rifleman

        I can't find where God gave the whole world to the Hebrew people anywhere. Am I dumb. or what?

        • aspacia

          If you are responding to my post, according to the Bible and Torah, God gave a small chunk of Middle-Eastern land to the Hebrews.

          No one has made this claim. Actually, I am wondering where you pulled this claim from and why?

    • al Kidya

      Consider, "The problem is religion per se, not just Islam."

      Islam is not a religion per se. Check out http://www.politicalislam.com
      or read some chapters and quotes over at http://www.prophetofdoom.net
      Read the Quran, Hadith, Sunnah, then let me know how you think.
      Cult, yes! Religion, no! Political force, yes! Religion, no.
      Socially and culturally structured force, yes! Religion, no!
      Conquering, oppressive, deceiving, conniving force that makes slaves of its captors, yes, yes, yes and yes !!! Religion, no!

    • Katherine

      I think you have the wrong understanding about Christianity, Judaism and Islam. Please read the scriptures for all three religions. It's not true that they all call for the same things – there is no Christian scripture to kill non-Christians, or to make non-Christians live in subordination to Christians. Look for it, please. Because you simply won't find it. An an example of modern-day Christian fundamentalists are the Duggars (19 Kids and Counting reality show on TLC). Watch the show. I think they would be considered fundamentalists because they believe, for example, that women and girls should wear long skirts (not pants), and as a general rule they do not dance (although they play and listen to music). Look at the behavior of these people – they are kind and loving and open-minded. If they are adhering to Christian doctrine, then I'd say I'd like to follow Christian doctrine more closely, and hope others do as well.

    • Democracy First


      Most of us thought as do you, until we learned about Islam in the wake of 9/11. We learned its "perfect man Mohammed" was a slave owner, pedophile, war lord, mass killer and rapist. we learned that Islam orders its adherents to conquer forever into the future that all its adherents must do what they can to conquer and subjugate all the world, eventually converting them all to Islam. We learned that, unlike with other faiths, its holy book is considered the exact word of Allah, merely written down by Mohammed, thereby leaving teh faith largely without possibility of contextualizing or intepreting; indeed, it is generally said that nthe faith is not to be intepreted, that it measn as it says, end of story. We learned why Islam has been on an imperialist march since nearly the day of its birth. We learned that the Crussades were a response to Islamic war on Christians, who lost ME nations and land to Muslim armies. We learned Mohammed ordered a genocide of Jews, keeping the women as sex slaves. And on and on and on.

      Most important, we learned that equivalence reasoning utterly fails when it comes to Islam.

  • kafir4life

    Wasn't Shahzad one of those followers of the pedophile prophet mad mo, the inventor of islam the terror cult who shat the contents of the terror guide, the koran from his boil infested butt? That him?

  • sflbib

    al Qaeda terrorists and those who side with them are guilty of genocide because their acts are directed against whole identifiable groups without any discrimination. Their stated aim is to kill Americans and Jews regardless of age, gender, or status within the Law of War. The formidable guilt of these terrorists has been largely disguised and camouflaged by those who campaign for their “rights” as well as their protection under the Law of War and/or under the legal system of human rights. These terrorists have violated the most basic rules of the Law of War with their indiscriminate attacks and by merely being a member of a outlaw group.

    Those like Shahzad are also guilty of the war crime of waging private warfare, which is also prohibited by the Law of War. The sooner we start treating them like what they are, the common enemies of mankind instead of misguided “victims”, the sooner we will win this war.

  • Consider

    Not having much time to waste I give only two random specimen one from NT and the other from the OT.
    Those interested for more should make an effort and look for themselves.

    LUKE 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

    HOSEA 13:16 Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

    • Clay Cole

      You give yourself too much credit.

      The first verse comes from a parable showing how at the judgment God will judge those that have rejected Him. It has nothing to do with how Christians are to treat people in the here and now.

      The second verse is God removing his protection from the Northern Kingdom and what will be the natural result thereof due to the nature of their enemies.

      The examples you gave is up there with cheery picking a verse like Judas hanged himself and say God supports suicide. This is another example of your intellectual laziness.

      • Consider

        Luke19:28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

        • Clay Cole

          And that has nothing to do with anything.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      Analyze the word enemies: 1 : one that is antagonistic to another; especially : one seeking to injure, overthrow, or confound an opponent
      2 : something harmful or deadly <alcohol was his greatest enemy>
      3 a : a military adversary b : a hostile unit or force

      Nowhere is it mentioned to kill all nonChristians.

      Hosea is talking about Jews rebelling against God and being destroyed. It is talking about Jews Consider.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

      Very random specimens, indeed.

      Learn the concept of "out of context" quotes …

    • Grayzel

      Just to put your verses in context Luk 19:22 “And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I shall judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was a hard man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow.
      Luk 19:23 ‘Why did you not put the silver in the bank, that when I come I could have collected it with interest?’
      Luk 19:24 “Then he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who possesses ten minas.’
      Luk 19:25 “But they said to him, ‘Master, he already possesses ten minas.’
      Luk 19:26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who possesses shall be given; and from him who does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away from him.
      Luk 19:27 ‘But those enemies of mine who did not wish me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them before me.’ ”
      Luk 19:28 And having said this, He went on ahead, going up to Yerushalayim.
      Hos 13:14 “From the power of the grave I ransom them, from death I redeem them. Where is your plague, O Death? Where is your destruction, O Grave? Repentance is hidden from My eyes.
      Hos 13:15 “Though he bears fruit among his brothers, an east wind comes, a wind from יהוה comes up from the wilderness, and it dries up his fountain, and his spring becomes dry – it plunders a treasure of all desirable objects.
      Hos 13:16 “Shomeron is held guilty, for she has rebelled against her Elohim – they fall by the sword, their infants are dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.”

    • MixMike

      I think it is important to note that the stories and commandments from the Torah (or OT) are meant for that specific time and those specific places. They have no authority under modern Jewish law. I have mentioned this before, but unless Doc Brown rolls up with a DeLorean, they are moot points.

      Only Islam still commands its follows to engage in offensive and defensive Jihad no matter the time and place.

    • alexander

      First example: part of a parable, it says at the beginning Jesus told the following parable…
      Second example: this is a prophecy, which is now COMING TRUE as musims kill children or use their own children to kill others.
      There is much in the bible about loving and being kind to others, even enemies.
      The entire Koran is a declaration of war. Start with 8:39 Fight until all religion is for Allah. Get into the gory details later about cutting off heads, crucifying, cutting of hands and feet on opposite sides OF ALL UNBELIEVERS.
      Read the whole Koran before you apologize for the Bible which is the precursor of our current secular humanist system.
      Learn the difference or you are just another terrorist excuser!

  • Consider

    For those who are mentioning Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. only the following observations:
    Less importantly, Hitler was a Catholic ho was never excommunicated and has never rejected his religion.
    More importantly what they did they have not done in the name or for the advancement of secularism. One could similarly accuse the protagonists of WWI that they have waged a religious war since almost all of them were believers, while it clear that the war was waged for entirely different reasons.
    Or one could blame people wearing moustache to be particularly wicked.

    • Clay Cole


      Hitler did reject Catholism and Christianity. With every post you write you lose crediablity. You need to apply the same standard to yourself that you apply to others. You really need to stop with the atheist "myths."

      • Consider

        Well someone has preceded me with the citation from "Mein Kampf".
        Check that and then come to tell me stories about my credibility and atheist "myths."

        • Clay Cole

          Hitler was an Occultist that. He didn't believe in any god, but did believe the Occult. He was a very strange man. He utlerly rejected Christianity.

          That being the point you have uterly ignored the fact that you do not hold yourself to the standard you hold us to.

        • MixMike

          Despite what you might think Hitler did hate Christianity and considered it to be an invention of the Jews (I know, who would have thought?) to hold down the Aryan race.

          Hitler was very fond of Pagan and Viking religions, viewing them as more "pure" than Christianity. Many prominent Nazi ideologues worshiped Odin and other "native" European gods.

          Here are a few things that ol' Adolph had to say about Christianity:

          "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…."

          "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

          "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

          "Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery…."

          Need I go on?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      Hitler was a secular monster similar to Stalin. He did not massacre people in the name of God, he massacred in the name of geopolitical power.

      Your claim regarding moustaches is a false analogy.

      You appear to listen to may liberals with little to no search for facts and valid claims. Try listening to both sides and analyzing the validity of all claims for insight.

      A Deist, Feminist, Goy Zionist

      BTW: I reject the misogyny in Christianity and Torah, a misogyny which resembles the misogyny in Islam. The difference is that Christians and Jews have reformed, Islam has not.

      • Consider

        Oh, they have reformed!
        Wasn't this called heresy once?
        Has the Bible been recalled? Or the 'reformers' rely on 'interpretations' as we seen several in this discussion.
        What if someone comes with a fundamentalist interpretation?
        After all what a religion is about if its fundamentals are not observed (but are being 'interpreted' as anyone sees it fit)?

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

          Yes, it was called heresy by the clergy, specifically the Pope who insisted on a Latin Mass in order to control the sheep. Luther did away with that, and wrote the Bible in German lay terms so the "sheep" could understand what was being said. I dislike Luther, because he said burn a witch, thus the intolerance of pagans.

          Neither the Bible nor Torah call for the subjegation or killing of the infidels; people like me and you.

          When was the last time any person of any other religion besides Islam, called for the killing of all nonbelievers. I won't hold my breath.

          I am waiting, waiting, waiting, Oh, yes approximately 500 years ago.

          Evangelical usually do literally interpret the Bible, but there is not instance of calling for the killing of nonbelievers anyplace in the Torah or Bible.

          Why don't you let that simple fact sink into your myopic, atheist view. Geez, my mostly atheistic, and very brilliant cousins in the UK understand this, why can't you.

    • donnamarie

      From what I can recall, Hitler through religion could be useful to manipulate the masses-not because he was a big believer. Also, if I am correct, he never said that he was doing his 'deeds' in the name of catholicism. On the other hand, every jihadist maneuver has been gladly claimed and flaunted by one muslim group or another and was always done in the name of allah. I just do not see the similarities between catholicism (or any other christian faith) and islam. Sorry, you lost me.

    • richard

      According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): "Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church. In 1933, Hitler said, 'It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.'" The Catholic League also quoted Hitler, in a 4/23/99 Op-Ed ad in the New York Times, as saying, "Antiquity was better than modern times, because it didn't know Christianity and syphilis." Ouch!

  • BS1977

    Keep allowing the PC liberal immigration idiocy and expect more of these ticking time bombs to show up in our midst. Liberal handwringing ACLU immigration policies are going to threaten our nation more and more……get wise, voters…..call for an immediate immigration reform….stop illegal immigration, stop the mosques, the shrouds and the terrorists BEFORE they arrive on our soil.

  • ciccio

    If only the state would listen to these "defendants" the problems of terrorism would be solved.
    They have declared time and time again that they are soldiers of Allah, believe them. Treat them like any other fifth column, if they are citizens shoot them for treason, if they are not shoot them as spies. Even when the West was in their own countries as colonialists far fewer soldiers of Allah stepped on the stage because they knew the consequences. The only thing they understand is brute force and only because this has not been employed against them do they believe they can employ it against us.

  • http://philmon.blogspot.com philmon

    LUKE 19:27 is a line delivered by a ficticious employer in a parable (story) Jesus was telling to illustrate that one cannot just take one's faith and guard it, but to do good things with it in order to gain return on the investment of their faith for God. The "slaying before me" is not an instruction to Christians to go slay God's enemies, but as a warning of what God will do to his enemies in the afterlife.

    Indeed, this parable was being told right after Jesus publicly elected to stay in the house of a sinner, to the shock of the self-righteous in the crowd. He certainly wasn't suggesting that the crowd slay the man.

    Hosea 13 … is likewise not an instruction but a warning of what Samaria should expect to reap from her actions. She will become unprincipled and weak and easy prey for her enemies.

    One of the glaring differences between Islam and Christianity (and Hosea is the Judeo half of Judeo-Christian, but it still applies) is that in Christianity, judgment and wrath is left to God , while Muslims are at the very least encouraged by Islam itself to carry out God's wrath on earth, if not absolutely instructed to do so.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      Nope, I have to disagree with your interpretation. Luke has often been used as an argument for a Just War. Visit St. Augustine for insight.

  • http://philmon.blogspot.com philmon

    For those who are mentioning Hitler, Stalin, Mao etc. only the following observations:
    Less importantly, Hitler was a Catholic ho was never excommunicated and has never rejected his religion.

    Seriously, you believe that Hitler was a Catholic? He did go to a Catholic school as a child. And Obama went to a Muslim school as a child … Hitler admired the pomp and circumstance of the Catholic Church … Obama admires Islam …

    See it's not so much these people pointing out that secularism is per se dangerous, it's pointing out the double standard of people who say religion is dangerous because of all the evil things done in the name of religion but won't apply the same rules to secularism.

    • Consider

      '…but as a warning of what God will do to his enemies in the afterlife. '

      In afterlife someone is suposed to bring people before God and slay them?

      Hitler was a Catholic and this is not a matter of belief but of knowledge. He declared, he was photgraphed attending church services and henever rejected Cathulicism.

      And Hugo Chavez is a Catholic.

      • Clay Cole

        Hugo Chavez is an athetis.

    • Consider

      “See it's not so much these people pointing out that secularism is per se dangerous, it's pointing out the double standard of people who say religion is dangerous because of all the evil things done in the name of religion but won't apply the same rules to secularism.”

      I find it hard to recall of any war that was waged for the sake of secularism. While I know many that were waged for land grabbing, redistribution of wealth, lebensraum, plunder, redistribution of colonies capturing strategic territory, increasing influence and yes, spreading of religion.

      • Clay Cole

        The Veitman War, The Koran War, World War II, World War I, the Russian Revolution, The French Revolution ect all were fought for the secularism.

        • Consider


  • USMCSniper

    Where there is resistance to Islam, there is war. Islamic history is nothing but conquest and war! We cannot be duped and try to appease and be politically correct. Negotiation and legitimizing only seeks to embolden and strengthen the cause of these supposed "holy" warriors. Modernity and Islam are simply not compatible, that is why this poses such a great threat. Muslims in great numbers, like another poster said, will not do anything when Militant Muslims in their communities start exercising force and coersion over non-Muslims.

  • John

    Now is the time for the body of Islam to reject jihad. Now, also, is the time for Islam to banish those who practice jihad. Failure to reject these bad actors suggests that the Body of Islam considers them a vital part of it. Motives of these people? Of course: they want your land, your car, your loved one, and above all else, they want your flush toilet.

  • PRCS

    Now, let us end this 'enemy combatant' nonsense.____That Faisal Shahzad believes he is a Muslim soldier–made clear, much to the chagrin of many a mainstream journalist, by his public admission–is irrelevant in the eyes of the United States Constitution and our man-made laws.____Like Reid, Hasan, the 'underwear bomber', the 'Little Rock' shooter, Zazi, and every other person who has committed acts which violate our laws (or are contemplating doing so), on our soil, 'in the name' of their particular religious beliefs, Shahzad is a criminal to us.____The Shari'a has no place here, and he will have many years in an American prison, under the control of filthy unbelievers, to learn that lesson.____And for his fellow jihadists, both here and abroad, to understand that, too.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia


    tiggymow, unless a Muslim, you are not considered an innocent victim and a legitimate target.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

    On the contrary, the pilots of Apaches and of drones (you do know that the pilots of the latter fly them from a bunker … it helps if the enemy doesn't get his hands on a downed pilot) do not get "weapons-free" status until a complete series of decisions are made, going all the way to the National Security Agency, and that means, the President. They are authorized to attack specific targets … far from the random targeting you seem to imply.

    Note that the United States has not engaged in "carpet bombing" since World War II.

  • Rose Fell

    The Moslems like to feel like victims who are avenging their oppression. Truth is, we wouldn't be in Afghanistan or Iraq if it hadn't been for 9/11. Iraq did not harbor Bin Laden, but it did harbor terrorists, and even had a mock airplane for practicing hijackings, and had used chemical weapons on Kurds and others. Afghanistan did harbor Osama Bin Laden, and would not give him up. Afghanistan also had terrorist training camps, and one item found their was maps of American cities. So who is the avenger here, and who is the dishonest murderer?

  • http://www.citizenwarrior.com/ Citizen Warrior

    The use of pretext is an important way for Islamic supremacists to justify aggressive acts while preventing cognitive dissonance:

  • Ghostwriter

    There are Muslims who will wonder why most Americans have such a negative view of their religion. Unfortunately,it's people like bin Laden and Shazhad,who believe it's alright to force their religion on others,even if they don't want it.

  • richard

    they should give polygraphs and ask: which would you defend first, america, or islam.
    if the answer is islam deport them.

  • Consider

    About Hitler’s opposition to Christianity
    Hitler stated in a speech to the Stuttgart February 15, 1933: "Today they say that Christianity is in danger, that the Catholic faith is threatened. My reply to them is: for the time being, Christians and not international atheists are now standing at Germany’s fore. I am not merely talking about Christianity; I confess that I will never ally myself with the parties which aim to destroy Christianity. Fourteen years they have gone arm in arm with atheism. At no time was greater damage ever done to Christianity than in those years when the Christian parties ruled side by side with those who denied the very existence of God. Germany's entire cultural life was shattered and contaminated in this period. It shall be our task to burn out these manifestations of degeneracy in literature, theater, schools, and the press—that is, in our entire culture—and to eliminate the poison which has been permeating every facet of our lives for these past fourteen years."

    Note: One could fill several pages with citations in similar vein.

    • Clay Cole

      I love this. From what you have writen I'll bet that you are one of the those people that think our founding fathers were just using rederick when talking about their beleive in Christ while their actions showed they did believe in Christ.

      With Hitler you think he sincere in public speeches while his private corrispondents and actions showed he hate Christians. I don't add Catholics because they are Christians to.

      Now if I'm wrong about your believe in how the founding fathers let me know

  • Consider

    Exodus 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

    Exodus 23:27 I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.

    Exodus 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people

    Exodus 32:27 And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

    Leviticus 20:4 And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not:

    Leviticus 20:5 Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.

    • Clay Cole


      This is an excellent example of your intellectual laziness. Every verse you pick is either a penality for breaking a law or the instructions for a spefic battle. None of them call for the killing of all who are not Jews. You are comparing apples to oranges.

      You keep throwing out red herrings. Every verus you have used has been shown to be missed use by you. You don't care about any answer you recieve.

  • Consider

    Leviticus 26:7 And ye shall chase your enemies, and they shall fall before you by the sword.

    Leviticus 26:8 And five of you shall chase an hundred, and an hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight: and your enemies shall fall before you by the sword

    Numbers 1:51 And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.

    Numbers 3:10 And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest's office: and the stranger that cometh nigh shall be put to death.

    Just started with cruelty and violence and so many topics to cover; women's rights, slavery, family, homosexuality…

    • Clay Cole

      Stop throwing the red herrings out. You still will not address the issue of you holding others to a higher standard than you hold yourself. Address the main point please.

      • Consider

        Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Do not be afraid or discouraged. Take the entire army and attack Ai, for I have given to you the king of Ai, his people, his city, and his land. You will destroy them as you destroyed Jericho and its king. But this time you may keep the captured goods and the cattle for yourselves. Set an ambush behind the city." So Joshua and the army of Israel set out to attack Ai. Joshua chose thirty thousand fighting men and sent them out at night with these orders: "Hide in ambush close behind the city and be ready for action. When our main army attacks, the men of Ai will come out to fight as they did before, and we will run away from them. We will let them chase us until they have all left the city. For they will say, 'The Israelites are running away from us as they did before.' Then you will jump up from your ambush and take possession of the city, for the LORD your God will give it to you. Set the city on fire, as the LORD has commanded. You have your orders." So they left that night and lay in ambush between Bethel and the west side of Ai. But Joshua remained among the people in the camp that night.

      • Consider

        Early the next morning Joshua roused his men and started toward Ai, accompanied by the leaders of Israel. They camped on the north side of Ai, with a valley between them and the city. That night Joshua sent five thousand men to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. So they stationed the main army north of the city and the ambush west of the city. Joshua himself spent that night in the valley. When the king of Ai saw the Israelites across the valley, he and all his army hurriedly went out early the next morning and attacked the Israelites at a place overlooking the Jordan Valley. But he didn't realize there was an ambush behind the city. Joshua and the Israelite army fled toward the wilderness as though they were badly beaten, and all the men in the city were called out to chase after them. In this way, they were lured away from the city. There was not a man left in Ai or Bethel who did not chase after the Israelites, and the city was left wide open.

      • Consider

        Then the LORD said to Joshua, "Point your spear toward Ai, for I will give you the city." Joshua did as he was commanded. As soon as Joshua gave the signal, the men in ambush jumped up and poured into the city. They quickly captured it and set it on fire. When the men of Ai looked behind them, smoke from the city was filling the sky, and they had nowhere to go. For the Israelites who had fled in the direction of the wilderness now turned on their pursuers. When Joshua and the other Israelites saw that the ambush had succeeded and that smoke was rising from the city, they turned and attacked the men of Ai. Then the Israelites who were inside the city came out and started killing the enemy from the rear. So the men of Ai were caught in a trap, and all of them died. Not a single person survived or escaped. Only the king of Ai was taken alive and brought to Joshua.

      • Consider

        When the Israelite army finished killing all the men outside the city, they went back and finished off everyone inside. So the entire population of Ai was wiped out that day – twelve thousand in all. For Joshua kept holding out his spear until everyone who had lived in Ai was completely destroyed. Only the cattle and the treasures of the city were not destroyed, for the Israelites kept these for themselves, as the LORD had commanded Joshua. So Ai became a permanent mound of ruins, desolate to this very day. Joshua hung the king of Ai on a tree and left him there until evening. At sunset the Israelites took down the body and threw it in front of the city gate. They piled a great heap of stones over him that can still be seen today. (Joshua 8:1-29 NLT)

  • Consider

    About Hitler not being a Catholic
    Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf, "… I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
    Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

    About Hitler’s occultism
    Speech in Nuremberg on 6 September 1938.
    Hitler stated: "We will not allow mystically-minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else—in any case something which has nothing to do with us."

  • Consider

    A question by the site admins:
    Why is my post abour Hitler systematicaly suppressed?

  • Consider

    About Hitler not being a Catholic
    Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf, "… I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
    Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

  • kafir4life

    Now hang on one cotton pickin' minute here!!! Weren't we told that he was most likely a teabagger that was unhappy with Hussein's "health" care plan? What happenned to him? Now that we know it was a leftist with the same goals as the Hussein admin…..silence?

    And for my own edification…..isn't islam that gutter cult invented by a pedophilic rapist, who in a bout of extreme intestinal distress managed to cr*p the koran out of his infected rectum?

  • Clay Cole

    We killed more French civilians in a few hours on D Day than all of the civilians that we have accidently killed since 9-11. The vast majority of civilian deaths in Irag and Afganistan is due to terrorist acts.

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  • robert

    Simply bigotry is at the pinnacle of islamism! unless there is a change of heart, koran will always be used as a clout of its double-standard.

  • guest

    These robotic Jihadists are TOTAL liars and TOTALLY blinded by their zeal to become "Soldiers of Islam." Tens of thousands of Muslims have been murdered just over the past few years–and nearly ALL of them by MUSLIMS. Not Israelis, Americans, Brits or Ugandans. Yet Muslims are absolutely silent about this barbaric slaughter. In fact, go to the front page of CNN and virtually any news source any day, and you read the latest body count. It is the "NON-MUSLIM" (a.k.a. Infidel) who is the target. The threat from WITHIN Islam is out of the scope of Muslims to perceive or acknowledge. As for trying these people in CIVILIAN courts (as Obama the jerk would), they're self descriptions are military and they typically identify themselves as "soldiers of Islam." But he would grant them Constitutional rights that were exclusively reserved for American citizens, NOT foreign soldiers.

  • Clay Cole

    Yes, but you are leaving out how Hitler hated Christians. He was an Occultist.

  • Rifleman

    What book of the Bible did hitler write? What denomination was hitler, and what church did he ever attend? I bet you bought all hussein's bs, and missed when he told the truth as well.

    Try watching what they do.