The New York Times Finds Some Moderate Muslims

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The recent New York Times Sunday trumpeted this MPAC video as a rebuttal of Islamic “militants,” although it is long on vague generalities but (surprise, surprise) short on Qur’anic specifics, which are the only thing, could they be produced, that might actually induce an Islamic supremacist or jihadist to reconsider his position.

And that’s the best that can be said about it. Among the Islamic leaders it features is Suhaib Webb of the Muslim American Society. The Muslim American Society is the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. The Muslim Brotherhood’s own website carries the Chicago Tribune expose that identifies the MAS as the Brotherhood’s arm in the U.S.: “In recent years, the U.S. Brotherhood operated under the name Muslim American Society, according to documents and interviews. One of the nation’s major Islamic groups, it was incorporated in Illinois in 1993 after a contentious debate among Brotherhood members.” So reported the Tribune in 2004, in an article that is now reproduced on the Muslim Brotherhood’s English-language website, Ikhwanweb.

Why is the MAS connection with the Muslim Brotherhood significant? The Muslim Brothers “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” So wrote Mohamed Akram in “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America,” May 22, 1991.

On the video, after Webb comes Maher Hathout, who trots out another familiar dodge, complaining about people quoting the Qur’an without knowing the Arabic or the context, as if “slay the pagans wherever you find them” (9:5) somehow becomes “establish religious dialogue” in the Arabic or “in context.” If so many Muslims weren’t murdering people in explicit obedience to verses like this one from the Qur’an, Hathout might have a case here; but they are, and he doesn’t. Hathout also, according to Steve Emerson, “has called Israel a nation of butchers and accused the United States of state terrorism; he has justified the actions of Hizbollah and defended terrorist financiers.”

According to Discover the Networks, Hathout “has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and espouses the radical brand of Islam known as Wahhabism.”

Ihsan Bagby follows Hathout, and says unequivocally: “we cannot kill innocent people.” He does not, of course, define who is innocent, thus leaving the door open for jihadists like Anjem Chaudary and others who say that no non-Muslim is innocent. Bagby himself once said this about Muslims in America: “Ultimately we can never be full citizens of this country, because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country.”

Mohamad Magid comes next. He is the Imam and Executive Director of the All Dulles Area Muslim Society (ADAMS) Center in Sterling, Virginia. In 2004 Ben Johnson reported this in FrontPage: “The chairman of ADAMS is Ahmad Totonji, an Iraqi-born citizen of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia and a key target of Operation Green Quest. Totonji was also named as a defendant in a $1 trillion lawsuit filed by more than 600 relatives of people who died in the 9/11 attacks. He acted as a co-founder and officer of the Saudi-founded/Saudi-funded (and now defunct) SAAR Trust. Additionally, he served as Vice President of the Safa Group and the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT). Officials have linked the non-profit IIIT to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.” The IIIT is also linked with the Muslim Brotherhood.

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  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Reason_For_Life Reason_For_Life

    These guys are about as moderate as Trotsky. But then, the Times thought Trotsky was OK too.

    Robert Spencer – Is this incompetence or malice? I haven't read the New York Times since high school when I figured out that it was biased. Back then, it was clearly malice.

    • PEm

      Compared to these guys, Trotsky was OK!

  • Elpi Nipni

    The Western Civilization is in grave danger because of our ignorance of Islam. Untill we realize that a moderate and Muslim are a contradiction in terms. We will fall and be subjugated to Islam for we have amongst us a fifth culumn other then Muslims, that fifth culumn is the LEFT. The Left has dominance over the Media and therefore we are being kept ignorance of the nature of that Ideology. Islam is a most supremacist Ideology who is the Mother of Nazism, Fascism and Communism. The usual mantra in the world treat Islam as a religion, there is nothing farther from truth about this concept. As long as we are trying to appease this headless monster we are going to fall before it.
    Even the September 11th disaster could not convince the Leftist Media who is the real enemy of the West and not only that, the left Media is enabling islam to destroy the west.
    A few Heroes like Robert Spencer, Andrew Bostom and Geert Wilders and some heavy caliber logical mind are not enough to stop the tide.We are doomed

    • Gil Sánchez-V.

      I couldn't agree more. I long ago quit the Jihad Watch forum (despite my admiration for the brave, bright people sustaining it through reason, knowledge and sense of purpose) because I couldn't find anyone agreeing with my proposal: It is an urgent task that we the true westerners get rid of all the traitors and Islam collaborators in our midst, disregrading their more-often-than-not obscure motives.
      If we could only accomplish that goal… getting rid of the medieval-minded islamist fifth columns will be like a breeze. Without that first basic sanitary step, all we can aspire to is to live trough the slow but sure demolition of our civilization from within.
      Cid Campeador

    • http://www.revelation2-7.com James

      Elpi,

      God's word (The Bible) describes this time period. I would encourage you to read it. A great book that defines more clearly the Islamic Threat and how God deals with it is "God's War on Terror by Walid Shoebat." If we strive to be "Overcomer's" as described in the book of Revelation we may loose our lives; however, the overcomer is anything but "doomed." Read Revelation, perhaps you have eyes to see and ears to hear.

  • kafir4life

    What happened to suhaib's head? Has he been smackin' it into a wall or the ground or something? Could the repeated banging have caused any permenant brain damage (assuming there was anything to damage….it may have not been his turn with the muslim "brain").

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't sahaib one of them moon god worshippers? The moon god that was made up by the pedophilic so-called prophet mad mo? The same mad mo that shat the contents of the terror guide the koran from his anal orifice? The same terror guide that is followed by the adherants of the gutter cult of islam? That him?

  • sflbib

    Re: “This country [America] unfortunately has a great, a great tribulation coming to it.”

    I'm not a "blame-America-firster", but I think he has a point. If God doesn't do something soon to correct America's ways, He will owe Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.

    Re: "And much of it is already here, yet people are too to illiterate to read the writing on the wall."

    That's for sure. In all fairness though, the American people have been sold the bill of goods of tolerance über alles.

  • Ayatollah Ghilmeini

    Yes Hitler was just a German activist.

    Everyone of these men are dedicated to the doing whatever it takes to impose Sharia law world wide.

    The left thinks Islam is some form of Arabian Buddhism.

  • USMCSniper

    Amil Imani says: "Islam's Useful Idiot may even engage in willful misinformation and deception when it suits him. Terms such as 'Political Islam,' or 'Radical Islam,' for instance, are contributions of the Useful Idiot. These terms do not even exist in the native parlance of Islam, simply because they are redundant. Islam, by its very nature and according to its charter—the Quran—is a radical political movement. It is the Useful Idiot who sanitizes Islam and misguides the populace by saying that the 'real Islam' constitutes the main body of the religion; and, that this main body is non—political and moderate. But Islam is political to the core. In Islam the mosque and state are one and the same—the mosque is the state. This arrangement goes back to the days of Muhammad himself. Islam is also radical in the extreme. Even the 'moderate' Islam is radical in its beliefs as well as its deeds. Muslims believe that all non—Muslims, bar none, are hellfire bound and well—deserve being maltreated compared to believers."

  • scum

    Robert Spencer, If you would only quit the little boys club known as the Catholic Church, we might actually listen to you.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/wasicu36 wasicu36

      Your screen name is absolutely appropriate

  • HanniBarca

    The Koran is an instructional manual for hate, intolerance and sexual obsession and its smile in your face, backstabbing adherents are cluelessly lighting the fuse of a megaton maelstrom.Israel has hundreds of nukes and accurate launch systems. The Plains of Megiddo will be the flash point of the war that Islam has brought upon itself and like their Nazi and Imperial Japanese predecessors the jihadis will see their "homelands" reduced to rubble and slag. Israel will achieve its destiny.

  • http://www.Islam-Blog.com Dirk Lemmons

    What makes Islam, Islam? The Koran defines Islam not men making speeches. In my study of Islam (http://www.Islam-Blog.com) I have found the Koran to be the smoking gun, covered with the blood soaked finger prints of Jihad murders.

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  • Barbi Rose

    Robert is right on. The way to defeat us is to use the media and play on our sympathies. To fight a war look to WW 1 or WW 2 you win. You defeat the enemy. If we fought Hitler and ToJo like we are fighting in Afganistan and Iraq we would be speaking either Japanese or German depending on what part of the previous United States of America we were in.