Muslim Enclaves U.S.A.

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The Department of Homeland Security says that Muslims of the Americas is linked to Jamaat ul-Fuqra, a Pakistani terrorist group. The State Department’s Patterns of Global Terrorism report in 1998 described ul-Fuqra as an “Islamic sect that seeks to purify Islam through violence.” Other fronts for the group include the International Quranic Open University, the United Muslim-Christian Forum, the Islamic Post newspaper, the Muslim Scouts of America, the Hands to Hands charity, Muslim Vets, the American Muslim Medical and Relief Team, and the Islamic Naat Group.

Another collective aspiring to create autonomous Muslim regions in the U.S. is called the Ummah. On October 28, 2009, the FBI tried to arrest one of its leaders, Imam Luqman Ameen Abdullah, for his involvement in criminal activity alongside some of his followers. A shootout ensued that took the life of Abdullah and one police dog. Like Muslims of the Americas, Abdullah offered his flock martial arts training and, in some cases, firearms instruction. He also had his own armed security team and preached war against the U.S. government and solidarity with bin Laden, the Taliban, and Hezbollah.

The FBI describes the Ummah as a “nationwide radical fundamentalist Sunni group consisting mainly of African-Americans” and says that its goal is to create “a separate, sovereign Islamic state (‘the Ummah’) within the borders of the United States, governed by Sharia law. The Ummah is to be ruled over by Jamil Abdullah al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown.” The death of Luqman Ameen Abdullah did not destroy this aim.

Although the Muslim Brotherhood and its American affiliates are not directly trying to create Islam-based towns within the U.S., they are helpful to the efforts to do so. The Council on American-Islamic Relations’ Michigan branch rushed to Abdullah’s defense and the American Muslim Taskforce demanded an investigation into his death. In addition, various Brotherhood affiliates have given Musa speaking platforms, including at major universities.

Also involved is Kenny Gamble, a major music producer who now goes by the name of Luqman Abdul Haqq. Gamble has been accused of trying to create a “black Muslim enclave” in Philadelphia, closely following the plan put forth by As-Sabiqun. Notably, he has a leadership position with the Muslim Alliance in North America; Abdullah also served as a leader of MANA and Musa’s name was once listed there, but has since been removed. This suggests some level of cooperation among these groups and individuals for their common goals.

The possibility that Muslim-only towns and urban enclaves could be created inside the U.S. seems like a fantasy to most Americans at the moment, but there is precedent in Europe. The French government actually has a website where it tabulates 751 “sensitive urban zones,” which have been accurately described as “no-go zones.” In these areas, which are mostly populated by Muslim immigrants, there is a high level of crime and hostility to any governing authority, including law enforcement. Police officers do not regularly patrol the areas and they are as close to being autonomous regions as possible without the erecting of an actual parallel government.

The construction of the building blocks for similar Muslim enclaves and “no-go zones” in the U.S. is one of the most disturbing programs of Islamist groups. If successful, these territories will be the first to establish Sharia law in the country, thus offering a profound challenge to America’s constitutional order.

This article was sponsored by Islamist Watch, a project of the Middle East Forum.

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  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    We must re-assert in most strong terms that our country is a Judeo-Christian – and only Judeo-Christian – nation, as it had been 50 years ago. Not everything in the world belongs here. If there were only one thing that absolutely does not belong to America, it is Islam.

    • SimonJesterUS

      Sorry, no. It is not, and never has been a Judeo-Christian nation. Especially not a Judeo-Christian ONLY nation. That goes as much against our Constitution as what you are arguing against. A maojority of the population MAY be Judeo-Christian, but that is all. You are flat out, factually wrong.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Wiley Wiley

        What a waste of time to argue about that, versus looking at the historical record as to how and where Western norms of liberty came about (Christianity plays a crucial if not leading role, by the way). Alas, liberalism also being one of the fruits of Western ideas, we have a hard time saying No to those whose work and goals are to undermine Western Civilization. Only a reacquaintance with the roots of Western/American order and a willingness to be, at times, illiberal in process of guarding them, will save us.

        • trickyblain

          It plays a crucial role, only in that the Enlightenment was a reaction against it and the Enlightenment inspired the FFs.

      • phoebeintheforest

        The Founding Fathers were all 18th century Englishmen. When they referred to "God" or "Creator" they were referring to the God of the Bible. I'm sorry if you find this offensive…but it is what it is.

      • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

        SimonJester argues as though :
        "The US never has been a Judeo-Christian nation. Especially not a Judeo-Christian ONLY nation."

        Not only the US, but all the Western nations had been in fact Christian only nation without any significant influx of immigrants at all. Indeed, all the Founding Fathers assumed and the followers assumed that America was Judeo-Christian ONLY nation.

        "That goes as much against our Constitution as what you are arguing against." True, the Constitution did not explicitly declare that America is Judeo-Christian ONLY nation. (It did not declare also that you must walk on your two, not on your four). See items 3, 4 in
        http://www.resonoelusono.com/Platform.htm

        A false idea of "Separation of Church and state" originates in Lenin's program. Progressives erode the language and meaning of the basic concepts in the Constitution. In fact, it must be that "No law must contradict the spirit of Christianity" in US, as in Islamic countries it does not contradict their Koran.

        • trickyblain

          You are misled or fabricating the Constitution and the founders' ideals. Jefferson defined the 1st Amendment quite clearly:
          -"the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State." It surely did not come from Lenin. Madison, the Father of the Constitution went further: "
          -"The legitimate powers of government," he wrote, "extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

          • trickyblain

            Jefferson con't

            -"I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another."
            -"I will never, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance, or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others."
            -"Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the General Government."
            -"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
            -"I am really mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, a fact like this can become a subject to inquiry, and of criminal inquiry, too, as an offence against religion; that a question about the sale of a book can be carried before the civil magistrate. Is this then our freedom of religion?"
            -On the book of Revalations: "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."

          • trickyblain

            Then there's the father of our country, George Washington, and the Father of the Constitution, James Madison, on the matter:

            Washington: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

            Madison:
            -"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprize [sic], every expanded prospect."
            -"…religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together."
            ""…a perfect separation between ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance."

            There are volumes more. The founders considered mixing the state with religion — any religion — as a great threat to liberty. That is beyond factual doubt.

          • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

            I did not fabricate anything, trickyblain. Neither in the 1st Amendment nor anywhere in the founding documents is that expression "separation of church and state", which was in fact an item in Marx' and Lenin's programs indeed. I am not a scholar in this but conservative scholars agree that no separation had been meant. The meaning of the 1st Amendment is like in items 3, 4:
            http://www.resonoelusono.com/Platform.htm

          • trickyblain

            Conservative scholars would have no such rubbish. Dishonest right wing propagandists/ministers will tell you that "separation" is a myth. A objective look at history will tell you exactly what the founders intended.

            Did you even read the quotations above?

            Lenin and Marx did not advocate separation of church and state – they wanted religion completely abolished. Religion was illegal under Lenin – hardly "separation."

          • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

            My "dishonest right wing propagandists/ministers" are distinguished authors in World Net Daily: good enough for me.

            "The myth of church and state separation", a special issue of Whistle Blower, November 2003,

            "The Constitution", a special issue of Whistle Blower, July 2003.

            Indeed, Lenin and Marx wanted to eliminate religion, yet Lenin and the Soviet legislation did not express this goal explicitly. Instead in all Lenin's works and in later legislations the wording was literally "separation of church and state". Literally! Do you think they borrowed this from the US founding documents?!

            That Soviet law meant that the soviet state never finance anything religious, and on the contrary: the state taxes religion to death, infiltrates their agents, and so on.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/mjazzguitar mjazzguitar

            I'm always thinking that. Islam doesn't belong here.

      • Nancy

        Wow SimonJesterUS – would you say that Iran and Saudi Arabia are Muslim nations? If so…then you must acknowledge that the U.S. is based on Judeo-Christian principles. Sharia Law DOES NOT BELONG HERE!!!

        • trickyblain

          Shaira Law does not belong here simply because the US Constitution is the law of the land and Sharia conflicts with it. Has nothing to do with religion.

  • imnokuffar

    You think that is bad, you should see parts of the UK that look like souks and are COMPLETELY overrun with Muslims, Parts of London are no-go areas, Birmingham our second largest city is 25% Muslim (though this is denied) Leeds, Sheffield, Rotherham, Bradford and numerous other locations within the UK have Muslim only areas – this is denied as well. The authorities in this country are turning the country into a Police state where if you disagree with the policies espoused by the PC/Multicult crowd you are a "Racist". There can be no disagreement, no rational discussion and above all no criticism of Muslims. DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR GREAT COUNTRY !!! You have been warned.

    • Trish

      I saw it for myself in July of 2005, The very day I arrived we were evacuated from the tube because the muslims tried to blow it up again (the 21st of July). I was appalled to see the loathsome burquas by the thousands in Kennsington and Hyde Parks! Sharia oppresses women. I love the English. You must repent as a nation and turn back to the Lord Jesus Christ. THAT is the total essence of the cause of this blight. The British people turned their backs on the Lord. He is your only hope. The same goes for the United States.

    • james

      its raining in britain;get an umbrella

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    It is time for real law enforcement! What's wrong with America? Where are the leaders? Nowhere to be found – and that is why these muslim rat camps are sprouting up. Only realization that islam and the rest of the world are at odds and thus all islam should be obliterated in free societies.

    • jacob

      You are asking what is wrong with A merica and I will answer you :
      EVERYTHING !!
      Start with an army of leftists and outright communists, charming a legion of idiots with the mermaid song of "CHANGE" and getting a "socialist" MUSLIM, (as if OBAMA is a Christian, I'm the Pope) into the White House, whose leanings he never hid and with the Republicans choosing somebody like McCain, who didn't have what it took to tell OBAMA to his face for e verybody to see, that the economic mess, aside from Wall Street greed, was also OBAMA's doing, since he was a fiery opponent to McCain's
      proposal to curb the abuses of FREDDIE and FANNIE, because he was on the take from them….

    • usa

      AND all this was fortold in THE BIBLE – people wake up!! THe devil abounds everywhere!!

      • Trish

        Bingo!

  • Marty

    We can now start to look forward to an increasing amount of honor killings, pedophilia, lots of hate speech against Christians and Jews, and the denial of the Bill of Rights for more and more American citizens who are unfortunate enough to live in islamic neighborhoods or be married to muslims. Remember that Justice Robert Jackson observed that the Bill of Rights is not a suiciden pact. We do not have to tolerate intolerance.

    • linasmith

      yes you right i agree with you that first we have to look forward to an increasing amount of honor killings.

  • RBoy

    Americans believe in religious tolerance and free speech. The Muslims to not. Most of them come here to live on welfare and destroy our society–even kill Christians and Jews. Insanity seems to prevail among the left wing "leaders" in our society. I wonder how it will play out.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harriman Harriman

      It will continue to play out as long as the Wahabis continue to pay out.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/joeblough joeblough

      Damn little to wonder about.

      We reverse course and resist … or we vanish like the ancient Buddhists of Afghanistan.

  • Gordon

    If there is a bully (Islam) and you tolerate the bully and do not stand up to him, but the bully will not tolerate you, guess what will happen? You get the snot beat out of you!

  • June

    We not only have these muslim strongholds, we have an area in Arizona that the Mexican drug cartels have taken over. Our government's answer was to post a sign saying Americans should avoid it. So, just like I thought…our country is being turned over to the M & Ms.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

    Maybe in November when Americans elect and American Congress, one that
    represents America and its citizens interests, programs will form that will undo
    the damage the left has caused. In the process the removal of anti-American
    cults and foreign activists could ensue, cancer caught early can be beaten, the
    longer the wait the surer it is to be fatal………………….William

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/ObamaYoMoma ObamaYoMoma

      Uhm William, I hate to rain on your parade buddy, but how many Republicans are speaking out against this? The answer is zero and their silence is deafening. The fact of the matter is the Republicans are just as blind as the Dhimmicrats, and I’m beginning to believe it is all by design and not by accident. I fear we are heading the way of Europe, where there can be no disagreement, no rational discussion, and above all no criticism of Muslims.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/ObamaYoMoma ObamaYoMoma

        Indeed, it is time for Ryan Mauro and other journalists to start focusing attention on this unlikely phenomenon. How can it be that all the Republicans can be so quiet with respect to Islam? I mean their silence in the face of all this noise made by Islam and Muslims after all these years is becoming deafening. I haven’t heard one Republican yet make a statement about Islam, Muslims, and the Global Jihad that resembles reality yet. Hence, is this by design? Is it all coordinated? Are they all pretending to be stupid for a reason? I think someone should find out, since it is all a little too extraordinary for it not to be coordinated. Something is up. What is it?

        • WilliamJamesWard

          To address the "Something is up. What is it?", Simple, we are screwed.
          George Bush's religion of peace is moving through the world like a hot
          knife through butter and Obama is point man. Arab Oil money, hence
          Muslim money has bought enough people, subverted entire governments
          and paves the way for the "New World Order". Why would heads of
          government and prominent personages cave in to this, well they are
          assured that for themselves and their posterity prominence.
          The left hates America so much it is willing to take dhimmitude and a
          sultans position. The left has brainwashed several generations of
          students against America. Yes not Republicans but Conservatives
          must work hard to get a new government, elected under any banner,but Conservative………………………………..William

      • WilliamJamesWard

        ObamaYoMoma buddy I do not find the word Republican in my comment,
        I speak to American Citizens, people that the government works for. If the
        electorate will not identify via the primary process electable candidates to
        take our Country back the design you infer will come about, slavery of each
        and every one of us, Islam is the greatest threat to human existence. My
        hope in November is that the Congress will be mostly conservative.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          "My hope in November is that the Congress will be mostly conservative."

          I do too buddy.

      • Trish

        There are a few Repubs in the House that do speak out. The Conservatives in the House have had hearings etc. Don't paint them all with a broad brush.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

          Lets paint them all gone and have the truly concerned take their places,
          people that will fulfill their oath of office and perform due diligence
          towards the Constitution as written. Those few who have done all they can
          and have spoken out are few indeed and they will have to stand on
          their record or fall.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SECREV SECREV

      The answer to that is 'negative'. House can be won, and so can be senate, but if you look at the number of SENATE seats in play in November 2010, you will know that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the GOP to win a veto-proof majority in the senate. Ergo, you can not undo any damage already done. Furthermore, MORE damage will be done by Obama, by enacting his agenda through executive orders, 'rules' by his 1200 or so Agencies, by subverting the Judiciary, and finally by declaring a "National Emergency" so NOTHING can challenge his dictates. Things are much more dangerous than most on the Right realize.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

        There will be enough to stop any action of Obama by pulling the plug on
        his spending, investigating the financial dealings could possibly bring
        enough to light that will hang Obama and his administration, impeachment
        is not impossible. It is the Right that is becoming more dangerous, day by day.

  • kafir4life

    Hang on a sec……I'm confused…..Isn't islam that gutter cult that was invented by a pedophilic warlord rapist named mad mo the false prophet? The same mad mo that invented that same gutter cult, islam, and it's supreme moon doggie allahaha, aka satan? Is that the one?

  • seels4truth

    We have a muslim president so how can we gather enough support to put an end to these enclaves? Islam is a religion created by a rapist so it is understandable that it is against women. What is remarkable is that in America the women refuse to seek equality. They walk around in their jailsuit and cry out how Islam is such a peaceful religion.

  • Fred

    Islams theological necessity is to overthrow any political government that is not based on Sharia law. With a birth rate of 8 per average family vs.1.9 per American family they are on their way to bleed our welfare system and will meet their goals in 50 years. … I am proud to be politically incorrect.

  • Merlin12

    May I mention Dearborn, Michigan? The only safe thing about Detroit is that the Islamists will never nuke it – there's too many of their "brothers" already living there.

    • MixMike

      The vile hatred and anti-American filth that comes out of Dearborn is truly frightening.

    • LugNut

      Thanks for mentioning Dearborn. I live on the East Side and fortunately do not run into these vermin too often. Recently, some Christian evangelists were arrested at a muslim festival for handing out leaflets the day after they had their lives threatened by these oinkers. Check out story at Jihad Watch: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/geller-islamic-
      We also have a very large Chaldean (Cathoilic Iraqi's) population; but they are the good guys and live mainly in the northern and northeastern suburbs.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Taxpayer1234 Taxpayer1234

        Lots of Lebanese and Iranian Christians in the area, too.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Taxpayer1234 Taxpayer1234

      I wouldn't count on it–they don't care about their "brothers'" lives and think they'd be doing them a favor by making them instant martyrs.

  • Fiona

    I recommend you read Steve Coll's book "Ghost Wars – The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001" to understand who created and funded extremists in the first place.
    I recommend you read "A World of Trouble – The White House and the Middle East–From the Cold War to the War on Terror" by Patrick Tyler.
    Once you have read these two books, you may have a much greater understanding of the history and politics of America than you do currently.

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    "The Battle for God – Fundamentalism in Judaism, Christianity and Islam" by Karen Armstrong may also give you some much-needed historical context.
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    • EdwinS

      Karen Armstrong? Clarity? Fiona – are you kidding? Armstrong's discussion of Islam is a string of lies – I'm amazed that she has any credibility anywhere – by recommending her as an authority you reveal
      yourself as someone who hasnt looked to deeply into the issue…

    • sos

      You're kidding right? While it is true that the CIA had a big part in the rise of these groups it's not with the malignancy that you imply. They were funding and training them in order to fight the Soviets. And while it's also true that they didn't examine these groups closely enough for their long term objectives that doesn't mean that we are responsible for the violent, brutal, and despicable folk that they are.

      And Karen Armstrong?!!! Surely you jest?!! Talk about hysterical propaganda!! Historical context?!! From KAREN ARMSTRONG?!!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

      Phew!!!!! That was a good one!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • james

      order the book of Enoch;yur answer is there;it was in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS;Most of it is hard to read;but thier is much to be learned….academically that is…..worthy of your time.

    • elizabeth

      one of the notions that got Bush off course is that the God of Jews, Christians and Islam is the same monolithic god.
      Judaism's revelatory, consistent and accurate history that spans over thousands of years, leading up to and with the inclusion of Christianity, (those that believe that Yeshua is the Jewish Messiah) is a closed system.
      like Grape Nuts the cereal, any connection Islam has with either one, is neither Judaism, nor is it Christianity.

  • Brett

    I hate to say this but at some point an armed citizenry may have to deal with this problem on there own if the government does not. Considering they dont protect the citizens on the border from the drug cartels its not hard to see them ignoring this as well. Especially since countries like Saudi Arabia are behind these enclaves & can easily pay off our corrupt politicians to look the other way. Look at Fox news where conservative commentators like Beck & O'Reilly are very PC about how they talk about Islam & do not critisize them because the Saudis own part of Fox. Sadly I cant help but think our grandchildren will be fighting these vermin on the street some day because of the corruption & lack of courage of todays leaders.

    • Larry

      Amen! Could not agree with you more Brett. Here in Tampa Fl they are everywhere and slowly grouping. Know your neighbors and pack heat!

    • james

      The ISLAMIC CONQUEST IS AN RE-INACTMENT;A PLANNED EVENT TO FACILITATE A NEW METAMORPHISIZED SUPERSTATE ;IN SHORT ISLAM IS THE SPEARHEAD OF A POLICE SUPERSTATE;YOUR NOT SUPPOSED TO SEE THE SHAFT,OR KNOW ITS IDENTITY;ONLY FEEL ITS SPEARHEAD.A NEW ROMAN EMPIRE IS BEING BORN;COMPLETE WITH A NEW MONARCHY;MAN ALWAYS RETURNS TO MONARCHY;ITS NATURES WAY;BEWARE THE NATUTRE OF THE BEAST;HE BITES

    • richard

      they may take away our weapons.

    • http://lulu.com/overfoodorwater inspector callahan

      brett, sadly many citizens are "afraid" to say this. i am more fearful of our government ,with its tactical bloated a.t.f ,c.i.a.,t.s.a,hsd,e.t.c putting a bullet in the back of my head while "they" defend every ones rights but "MINE"! they can take their politically correct agendas and place them inside their colons. this country is "STILL" ours . as of now , we still have a say. if somehow this arrogant stick figure gets "re-elected" , then i say, we cannot trust a "true" vote any longer. then what some of these idiot liberals "THINK" they want , just might be delivered to them . true americans are tired of the blame , the card , the media and their liberal penis shaped pacifier. keep pushing, and distorting the truth and maybe ,just maybe , the american people "WILL" give you all the headlines you "WONT" be around to print !!!

  • Mel

    Karen Armstrong is a dhimmi on steroids. I've read her stuff and she is so off base she's in foul ball territory.

    She personifies Hitler's description of "the useful idiot" for Islam.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    The Muslim Brotherhood (MB) has been conducting a stealth insurgency in America for over 50 years. Now, the MBs are important advisors of our Senators, Congressmen and Presidents (Why?). Our whole federal government is fearful of 'offending' Muslims (Why?). The leadership of our federal government is composed of Dhimmis, wimps and anti-Americans who will not even identify the enemy that seeks to overthrow our Constitutional Republic form of government. America is in trouble and the federal government is the cause of that trouble.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    The MBs created Hamas and the Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). These organizations are not 'friends' of America and seek to overthrow our government. Hamas is an outright kinetic Jihad terrorist organization. CAIR is a stealth Jihadi organization (there are several like CAIR in America, too). MBs have infiltrated our school system and key federal government structure. These powerful Muslims must be purged from America. The grandson of the man who started the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt has been denied an entry visa to the United States for many years until last year, when Barack Obama insisted that this MB leader be permitted entry to America (as a celebrity).

    • Trish

      They are probably friends. You are correct in all of your statements.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

    This is some intolerant bigoted rubbish here. What the author notes is that in the United States of America people have freedom of conscience and worship. Is this really any more remarkable than Christian or Jewish communities hanging together? Grow up, you big babies.____James Heartfield

    • Brett

      To be honest people like you are part of the problem James. Apparently people cant even complain about things like this any more without being labled a biggot by some know it all do gooder who really doesnt know a damn thing. Wake the hell up! We are not talking about all muslims here but a few radicals who want Shariah law in this country & will resort to terrorism to promote it. Do you want the US to be like Israel or Iraq, having to deal with suicide bombers & such all the time??

      It can happen James if we allow it to and thats why these people should be monitored closely and if they are found to be up to no good they should be imprisoned or shipped the hell out of here.

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

        Let's face it Brett, everyone is part of the problem, as far as you are concerned, Brett. No-one is pure enough to breath the air of your Republic of Gilead. Wake up? Calm down. You want people 'monitored closely' – like in Iraq, under Saddam Hussein, you mean?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/ObamaYoMoma ObamaYoMoma

      Excuse me but freedom of conscience is haram (forbidden) in Islam as that is known as shirk and shirk is punished under the pain of death in Islam. While it’s true that under the laws of the USA freedom of religion and worship is allowed, nevertheless, Muslims wouldn’t be forming Muslim no-go zones where Sharia becomes the rule of law if they cared to abide by the laws of America or came to America to assimilate and integrate. Anyway with respect to your absurd garbage, everything he said above is accurate and it couldn’t be anymore obvious that you are a very convenient useful idiot.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Harriman Harriman

      Jews and Christians doing much honor killing these days? I'm a winemaker by profession. Should I be excluded from these areas? Have my head chopped off for offending the moon god?

      • kafir4life

        Allahus Snackbar!!! Moon-god shaped pork rinds, on sale today!! Taste their koranic goodness!

    • inspector callahan

      hey james , cant wait to see the expression on your face when, you "just" cant understand what it is you did wrong ! i.e. but,but i love everybody , and just want a big group hug . your last name is "infidel" pal , no matter how you choose to spell it . fortunately i believe you will have a time frame to grow a pair, sadly most of you will not even recognize it . good luck . history says you are certainly going to need it !!!

  • EdwinS

    We've had self-selected social enclaves throughout our history – Shakers, Quakers, ultra-Orthodox Jews, hippy communes etc. And if that was all there was to it then Muslim enclaves would not offend –
    But Islam – unlike the enclaves of our history – is accompanied by the subjugation of women – including female genital mutilation – , the murder of apostates, honor killings, etc – a disdain for the dominant culture and an ambition to eventually take power and force sharia on all and sundry…
    Inasmuch as liberty of conscience is the American way we must permit these enclaves – but only as long as they stay within the law…
    In other words we cant be afraid to forbid no-go zones, female oppression, support of terrorism etc……..
    Any problems these Muslim enclaves might give us would be of our own doing because we were unwilling to step up to the plate…

    • Filala

      This is an answer that makes sense to me. I am afraid, however, of what will be taught in schools that are in these areas.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

    Hahaha that's a new one. I did not know that Christianity was so dedicated to the interests of women.

    Honor killings are still against the law, as far as I know.

    'Disdain for the dominant culture' – sounds like what my ancestors would have said about yours back in 1776. Didn't you lot fight for the right of free conscience. Of course Islam is cobblers, but the way to defeat it is to offer something better, not whine about it.

    • Max Daddy

      "Hahaha that's a new one. I did not know that Christianity was so dedicated to the interests of women."

      I'm not surprised. You don't seem to know Islam either. "husbands love your wives!"
      "Honour your father and your mother!"

    • John

      By pushing the envelope these groups manage to develope areas called no-go-zones. These are bounderies that local law enforcement have no jurisdiction. These zones operate under the Sharia Law that allows the honor killings, mutilation. If an 8 year boy gets caught stealing his arm can be placed under the tire of a car and run over. This an aceptable form of punishment. If you are caught stealing your hands would be cut off. A woman raped by no fault of her own is considered an adultress and will be killed. The rapist is allowed to go free. All of this operates outside of the local law enforcment. You are correct, by our standards these are wrong and should be punished. However, the no-go-zone does not allow us to enter and enforce "our law". The scary part is that we don't know how many muslems there are in the US. The best guess is right at about 5 million people. Look at what is happening in Europe right now…… It will be here before you know it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    Why should the civilized and law abiding people of America 'tolerate' the believers of the Qur'an (a book of hate-speech and Arabic colonialism)? Islam is the world's largest CULT. Islam continues to conduct a war in the name of their 'religion' for the past 1,400 years. Muslims who finally 'see the light' and decide to leave Islam are labeled as Apostates to Islam and are given a sentence of death. Muslims kill those who leave their cult. There is no reason for Americans to 'tolerate' Muslims and their Cult.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

    Why should the civilised and law abiding people of America tolerate the beleivers of the Qur'an? Because in a free society, what people believe in their heads is their business. Unless you want to take responsibility for telling thousands – millions – of people what they should be thinking from minute to minute (and how would you do that, anyway?) you will just have to let them think what they want.

    The law is for punishing wrong acts, not telling people what they ought to be thinking.

    You say there is no reason for Americans to tolerate muslims – what is your alternative? Put them in camps? Deportation?

    • Brett

      If there belief is to forcibly convert you or cut your throat, then no we should not tolerate them and they should be removed from this country if not from this earth.

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

        Well, if their belief is to forcibly convert you, or cut your throat, then there are laws to deal with that. All your talk of 'removed from this country if not from this earth' is just blabber, compensating for your lack of authority in the real world with cyber rage.

        • Brett

          We have laws to enforce Illegal immigration to James…so how is that turning out?
          Also If you are living in or near a so called "No go zone" that is under Sharia law then the US laws would not pertain would they? Would you like to see these zones in the US even more thant they are? Apparantly you dont care or just refuse to acknowledge the possiblility it could happen if we dont take steps to stop it. You look at whats happening in Britain & France but that might take some critical thinking, something I doubt you have so go ahead keep your head in the sand where it looks like its comfortable.

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

            What 'no go zone' is that? The one in your head? Where in Britain can I not go? Where in America can you not go? I suppose I can't walk into someone's living room and tell them what they should be watching on the television, but that is to the good as far as I can see. Maybe you should be looking out for your own family instead of worrying about what your neighbours are up to.

          • Brett

            Your ignorance is truely astounding james so let me try to educate you if thats even possible.
            http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2006/11/the-751-n

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

            I think your career as an educator is not looking too prosperous, Brett. The article you link cites Dewsbury in West Yorkshire as a 'no go zone' – which is where I grew up. I have often been back, and it is less of a no go zone than the Eruv in Barnet is. So too the French examples are sadly absurd, since my brother lives in the very same no go zones, and has done for the last fifteen years.

            Since you have no experience of Europe, can you name me a region of your own country where you, or the police, are not free to go about their lawful business. Or is it, as any sensible person can now see, so much scaredy-cat hysteria.

          • cochavi1

            The answer to your question – since you are completely unwilling to acknowledge a theologic-philosophic threat is: one suicide bomber, a smart one, emerges from each enclave every six months and takes down a plane or a building in a major city. Let's say one per western country every six months – it is enough to effectively cripple the entire economies of the West. And they are emerging, as the Times Square bomber, and soon they will be skilled enough to succeed.

          • EdwinS

            o well – james' brother has never been assaulted in 15 years – that enough proof for me that there isnt a Muslim enclave problem
            – wow – Im glad thats settled…I was getting worried…

          • EdwinS

            There are no zones in the USA that are off-limits – we can go where we will…
            There are many places, tho, where if one exercises that right one will most likely be assaulted – you know, like Malmo and numerous other places in Europe terrorised by Muslims…

          • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

            So from your own experience, you know that the point of the article is wrong about the USA; but you persist in the unsubstantiated belief that it is true of Europe. Still, you are best left to your fantasy terrors. What worse punishment could there be than to be you.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

          Right, remember the recent dismissal of the Black Panther voter intimidation case. PC correct speak is prevent real sanctions against Muslims who harbor us ill will.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/imnokuffar imnokuffar

      Bravo ! You are an inspiration to us all. Hitler thought a lot about all sorts of things and we Brits studiously ignored him. You and your kind are doing the same and before you say there is no equivalence note that the Koran promotes Anti-semitism, Mysoginy, Homophobia and all sorts of other goodies that are not just thought about but acted on – and yes, in Britain. As to your reply on no go areas in Britain these do exist as they do in France and in other European nations where the ROP has invaded – yes, invaded. Go to Sparkbrook in Birmingham (where they have 3 "Respect" councillors and have a little wander. Better still buy/rent a house there its a lovely area full of people you would like to invite for tea and biccys. Toleration is a two way street and its becoming increasingly apparent that Muslims cannot tolerate Western society. That being the case and the western way of life being superior in all aspects to those the Muslims and their beliefs I would dearly like to see those who don't like our ways leave or be deported.

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

        OK, so the people who are afraid of no-go zones are also keen to learn lessons from Hitler! The Koran does indeed carry misogynist messages, rather like the Bible, in fact, where the case for 'Honor Killings' is made in Deuteronomy:

        "If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death."

        So, too, is the Bible homophobic:

        Leviticus 20:13:
        "If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."

        As to Sparkbrook being a No-Go Zone, I was there just last month.

        This is what the Respect leader Salma Yaqoob had to say about terrorist bombings last month:

        'Wherever Islam is perverted to justify these crimes Muslims must confront such distortions.' http://www.salmayaqoob.com/2010/07/remember-77.ht

    • Linden

      I think you are missing the point. I believe as I want and you believe as you want, however the Muslims want you to believe as THEY want or….it is off with your head! And yes! deport them.

    • Kevin Smith

      Now it woudln't be tolerated but this too will come to pass.Doesn't matter what you believe in your head-ask Daniel Stern or the Van Gogh guy from Holland.They beheaded the poor bastard in the name of Allah!

  • usa

    "In his opinion, there is a need for communities with “the totality of the essential components of Muslim social, economic, and political structure.” YES AND IT"S CALLED GO HOME TO ARABIA/SOMALIA/OTHER MUSLAM NATIONS – THE USA IS A FREE COUNTRY FOR THOSE WHO ACCEPT AND ASSIMULATE INTO IT'S FREE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS….

  • USA

    I have seen the enemy & the enemy is IN us!!!

  • usa

    The USA will implode if these terrorists can;t/won't assimulate to our Christian values and ethical mores…go home where you belong, we don't need you here…really, it's ok, go home, run along and stone people/hate women in your own backward countries….

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      Obama, not all U.S. citizens are Christian. True patriots value the freedom of religion and the right to freedom of speech.

      BTW: neither Jefferson nor Franklin were Christian; they were Deists.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ObamaYoMoma ObamaYoMoma

    "The ideology espoused by Musa and As-Sabiqun is undeniably radical."

    Not really, per the texts and tenants of Islam, the ideology espoused by Musa and As-Sabiqun is very mainstream within the Islamic community. Indeed, lets see if you can prove otherwise.

  • Draza

    Turn a blind eye to the cnacer inyour midst and soon it will be too late. Of course Obama and Holder are more than willing to turn a blind eye, or blind the eye that sees.

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      The Obama plan seems to be to follow Saul Alinsky and his 'Rules for Radicals' to ruin America. The choices that Barack Obama has made to put us where we are today have not been accidental or as a result of incompetence; these have been a part of the plan. Obama's plan.

      Barack Obama caused more economic damage to America in his first six months in the POTUS office than the economic damage done to America by ALL Muslim terrorist attacks have EVER done.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ObamaYoMoma ObamaYoMoma

    The realization that Muslim no-go zones are forming in America is not exactly earth-shattering news to me. I mean all one has to do is look around the world where mass Muslim immigration had already occurred and you will see that this phenomena has already occurred in numerous places around the world. It couldn’t be anymore obvious, Muslims don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate; they immigrate only to make Islam dominate.

    Hence, I can’t repeat this enough. In the Cold War we didn’t allow millions of Communists to immigrate and infiltrate our countries because that would have been suicidal. We shouldn’t allow millions of Muslims to immigrate and infiltrate our countries because it is likewise suicidal. Therefore, Muslim immigration must be banned and reverse ASAP before it is too late, as Islam, like Communism before, is also a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination.

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      ObamaYoMoma, You said, " It couldn’t be any more obvious, Muslims don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate; they immigrate only to make Islam dominate." That is entirely correct. First of all, by concentrating their numbers, they concentrate their political power at the local level (political power flows 'up'). It is also easier to mobilize this community for political demonstrations when they are concentrated in neighborhoods around the mosques. These 'ethnic' Muslims (people immigrated from Muslim countries) carry the 'ways' of the old country and live that way here, in America. They live by Shariah Law and do not want to 'become' Americans.

      The purpose of their immigration to this country is to 'SETTLE' America to be an Islamic country. This is an important point and must be understood.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

    'I can't repeat this enough' – but it doesn't matter how often you repeat it, it won't get to be any more plausible. You want to organise your immigration laws on the basis of people's religious beliefs? Well done: you have made the case for turning America from a democracy into a theocracy! Who needs ayatollahs from abroad, when you are so willing to imitate them.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      What are you, mentally unhinged and more than a little suicidal? Religion has nothing to do with it. Islam is a very radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination like Communism, and we didn’t invite millions of Communists to immigrate and infiltrate America in the height of the Cold War because that would have been suicidal. Hence, common sense dictates we don’t allow millions of Muslims to immigrate and infiltrate America today because that is likewise suicidal. Just because you are too unhinged to realize that the struggle between freedom and the Global Jihad is the Cold War of this century, don’t assume everyone else is nearly as blind as you are.

      In any event, I could care less about Islam’s claims to be a religion, look inside every Muslim country in the world and tell me what you see? You will see systematic persecution and violent oppression of non-Muslims and women, that’s what you will see. Hence, it couldn’t be more obvious unless you are absolutely blind that Islam is a very radical from of totalitarianism.

      Moreover, every sect of Islam and every school of Islamic jurisprudence in both Shi’a and Sunni Islam teach that disbelievers must be made to submit to the authority of Islam if not spiritually, then corporally. Thus, this holy obligation couldn’t be any more mainstream. Hence, Islam is not only a very radical form of totalitarianism, but it is a radical form of totalitarianism that seeks world domination.

      Further, take a look around the world wherever mass Muslim immigration has occurred and you will see that in every case without exception that the vast overwhelming majority of the Muslim immigrants have refused to assimilate and integrate and instead formed Muslim no-go zones ruled by Sharia and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. Hence, it couldn’t be anymore obvious that Muslims don’t immigrate to assimilate and integrate; they immigrate to dominate!

      Therefore, it couldn’t be anymore obvious that Muslim immigration is suicidal. Indeed, if not for millions of Muslims already living in the USA as a 5th column, 9/11 would have been completely impossible. Anyway, how many more 9/11s are you willing to endure or are you hopeless?

      • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

        It's you that's hopeless – raging at the internet because you have no authority in the real world. You want to kick at your imaginary enemy because you are in truth a moral coward and a cripple – all mouth and no trousers.

        • ObamaYoMoma

          Uhm moonbat, read the article. Muslims are forming Muslim no-go zones over here in the USA right on schedule just like they have been doing everywhere else in the world wherever mass Muslim immigration has also already occurred. Indeed, Ryan Mauro in this article documented as much, unless you can contradict his article. Additionally, it is unequivocal that in every Muslim country in the world without exception non-Muslims and Muslim women are systematically persecuted and violently oppressed, and that’s because Islam besides being just a religion is also a very radical system of totalitarianism that seeks world domination. Moreover, it is also unequivocal that Muslims around the world are committing terrorist attacks and using their own holy text to justify those terrorist attacks around the world, while at the same time they are also pursuing hot and cold jihad against way too many states to mention. Now if anyone has a problem with imagination it is obviously you. Hence, if anyone is a loser and moral coward, you better take a good long look in the mirror to see what you are because on top of that you are also a convenient useful idiot but you are obviously too damn dumb to realize it.

      • Brett

        Good post……but dont waste your time on this idiot. I have debated some clueless Libs before but this guy is the height of stupidity.

        • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/jamesheartfield jamesheartfield

          No, you stick to your closed-world group-think, and don't let any disagreement pollute your pure little heaven. 'No – Go Zones' what a crew of fruitcakes. I guess America has lost it. So much for the champion of the free world.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      James, read the Islamic text espoused in our land. You have no idea regarding the hate for freedom loving individuals in these texts.

      Tell you what, read the USC.edu website for valid translations of the Qu'ran and the hadiths for insight., And no, no part of the Bible calls for the eradication or subjegation of nonbelievers.

      James, pay attention to the words of Muslims – we are dead in their eyes.

      Look, like you I believe Islam was just another faith, similar to Christianity and Judaism, however I found it is not.

      A Deist, Feminist, Goy Zionist

  • Karl

    Note all the blacks who readily change their name to make clear that they have taken on their new religion. Cassius Clay was one of the earlier ones who becam Mohamad Ali. Black leaders, whether former preachers or former prisoners, gravitate like flies to the religion of their former slavemasters! 60 million blacks were captured from Africa and herded off in chains to march back to their Muslim prisons:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJhSejBDTPI

    As we speak, Sudanese Muslims on camels continue to round up black children for enslavement as sexual servants or soldiers. Yet the man that Obama's church awarded its greatest honor, Fahrakan, calls Judaism a "gutter religion," the only religion who's people worked with them to promote equal rights.

  • PAthena

    Utah was not admitted as a state into the United States until it had outlawed polygamy.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      True enough. So What?

  • betwyan

    From here in Dearbornistan, Michigan: It's already too late. They are here, "setting up shop" How did this happen?

    It's called endless, mass immigration, that's how. Most of it legal immigration.

    Reduce immigration or else……get a muslim prayer rug, you're gonna need it.

    • MixMike

      I would tell you to flee to the northwestern suburbs or the east side, but my understanding is that is becoming part of dar-al-Islam as well.

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      According to information from the Muslim Brotherhood, our 'Mid-West' was selected by the MBs for a 'starting point' because of its central (in America) location. This is a very methodical approach to 'changing' a nation and 'settling' it to be Islamic. I also learned this same information from a former FBI Agent.

  • Berl Goetz

    Seriously, we need to provide American Muslims with economic stimulus. You know materialism and vanity will make them that much less dangerous. Oh, and get their kids hooked on video games too.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/aspacia aspacia

      Berl, most Jihadists are from upper middle-class backgrounds. This has zero to do with poverty

  • http://irishbillyd.spaces.live.com BravoBilly

    Do not worry about the Muslims enclaves. Those millions of illegal aliens are probably devout Catholics and will fight them for their families as we have another Holy War. There are also too many veterans that have served our country, that may disagree with government, but will raise up at the proper time and join forces with the good old boys down home and kick some butt, joining forces con los hermanos del sud de Catolicos. When black, white, latinos, who have already bled together on foreign soil get together to protect our mother land, be careful. We really don't care whether you are liberal or conservative, just don't mess with our families or piddly little place we live in…
    It is time, It is time.

  • Comments

    Koran, now in 2-ply.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    Going through all of the comments, one troll, jamesheartfield and james a special
    note, you are without any doubt and idiot……………………….William

    If the American people are successful in ridding the Congress of all traitors and
    the work begins to restore America the goals should be to deport every Muslim
    and send the leftists with them. There will be a need for a great cleansing of the
    vile work that progressives have done, no, rather committed against our Nation.
    Treason and subversion must be dealt with and antithetical colonists sent away.

  • Linda

    "Democracy has within it the seeds of its own destruction." Winston Churchill There is no reason whatsoever why we should "tolerate" any group that entrenches itself in our country but does not embrace the ideals on which we were founded. It's just like the Mexican illegals who have no intention of becoming "American." They fly a different flag and speak a different language and that is exactly how they want it. These folks are not Americans and never will be – they are enclaves of entirely alien practices that do not bode well for the survival of a healthy United States.

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      Linda, How right you are when you stated, " … the Mexican illegals who have no intention of becoming "American."

      The vast majority of the federal law-breakers (federal felony to use false documents for achieving employment or for other financial gain) and career violent felons have no intention of 'becoming' Americans, they are Mexicans and proud of it.

      The political power behind the 'push' for Mexicans to 'take' our South Western States is the Communists. These are the 'Che Guevara' Communists that hate Capitalism and want to install a Cuba-like 'free society in America. If these Communist radicals are successful at crushing Capitalism, who will pay the taxes to support the government? Who will employ the people seeking a better life? The simpletons who embrace the Cuban Communism are not very far-thinking.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Indioviejo Indioviejo

    Since the government won't protect the people, the people must face the enemy head on. We still have the right to free speech, freedom of conscience, assembly, etc. A national campaign to convert Muslims must be concerted by freedom loving Americans.
    It doesn't matter what religion or non at all, just as long as it stands on our constitution as envisioned by the FF. It must be relentless, non violent, and in your FACE. Gandhi in reverse.
    Success would be when Muslims leave their religion, or their children leave them to be Americans, or the parents and children go home because they can't live in peace without bumping into those pesky freedom loving Americans, crazy about their liberty and willing to take it to the extreme.
    Engage Muslims in arguments, every day, every where you find them.
    Let every citizen do his duty in defense of our country.

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      "Engage Muslims in arguments, every day, every where you find them.
      Let every citizen do his duty in defense of our country. "

      Very good advice. I do this where ever I can speak with Muslims. Allah is a god of hate and murder and slavery and distrust. The Christian God is one of love; Muslims are unfamiliar with this concept.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    So many Americans forget about the massive inconvenience we experience on a daily basis as a direct result of the Jihadi terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001. All of the Muslims who murdered the flight crews and took over those airliners did this evil deed in the name of their evil god, Allah (the blood-thirsty devil). When the evil Muslim Army Major (Hasan) murdered those unarmed service people at Fort Hood, he did this in the name of the blood-thirsty devil, Allah. For Muslims, there IS a religious war going on and they are the side that is actively 'prosecuting' that war upon the non-Muslim population of the world. In the Muslim Cult, their world is them versus everyone else.

  • Rob

    How do we defend the US Constitution without destroying it in the process?
    How do we grant or allow certain groups all of our Constitutional rights when they are crystal clear that they wish to see us destroyed or brought to our knees?
    If you examine Muslim history and Muslim current events, they clearly do not have a good track record on coexistence. Current events indicate that dysfunctional dictatorships and third-world misery is their outcomes.

  • Ms. Freedomlover

    Islam means submission. For starters please read "The Legacy of Jihaad" by Andrew G. Bostom and "A G-d Who Hates" by Wafa Sultan, then read "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam" by Bat Ye'Or, also read her bok, "The Dhimmi". Then you will begin to understand that the islamists are not here for the reasons other immigrants came here. They do not want to become part of the USA/American culture. They are not here to worship their G-d in peace. They are here to take over America and institute Sharia law. This is a planned takeover of the United States. Read about the Armenian genocide too as history tends to repeat itself. Vahakn Dadrian's "The History of the Armenian genocide" is a good book to get started on this subject and will enlighten people as to what the Islamists want to do here in the USA. Please note that I am aware that there are Muslims who ar not Islamists.

    • Ms. Freedomlover

      Please excuse the typographical errors above. i am not a particularly good typst.

  • BS77

    It's the immigration stupid!!! Liberal "let em all in" open borders wackos see nothing wrong with making the US a Motel 6 for everyone, anyone, legal , illegal, what's the difference??? Mohammed Atta? Come on in, baby!!!

    We have a million TSA agents scanning grandmas at US airports but our southern border is wide open. Makes no sense. We are watching the decline and fall of the American nation…..there is still time to change course….better happen soon!!!!

  • frank

    For those people who say "wait till November when we elect such and such and get rid of such and such. I have news for you. The such and suchs of the Republican/Tea Party are just as spineless as the current idiots in power. They are all politically correct self-serving money hungry thieves who will sell their mothers to get elected or reelected. Look at the guy in Massachussetts, Brown. The conservatives thought they elected one of their own and this bum is voting with the liberals. There will be an armed struggle in this country. The Islamics must be defeated but it will only come by violence.

  • james

    ….IT WAS THE BEST OF TIMES ;IT WAS THE WORST OF TIMES;SO;POUR YOURSELF A STIFF DRINK

  • Dr.Who

    In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express adulation and have positive feelings towards their captors that appear irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims.[

  • Dr.Who

    In psychology, Stockholm syndrome is a term used to describe a paradoxical psychological phenomenon wherein hostages express adulation and have positive feelings towards their captors that appear irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims. -Wikipedia

  • HanniBarca

    The war that is coming is going to make WW II look like a zip gun shoot out between the Jets and the Sharks. If anyone believes that the sharia mad jihadists will just go away or are going down, easy is either a cowardly fool or a fellow traveler. These demented fanatics will have to be ground down and crushed like their ideological mentors (the Nazis and Imperial Japenese) were before them.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    BS77, You are correct, it is stupid to closely search obvious non-Jihadi profile grannies and children at airports but keep the borders open for any and all who can pay the Mexican Drug Cartels for the 'guide' (coyote) to come to America.

    While there are many things outdated and wrong about our legal immigration system, these issues have nothing to do with keeping the southern border open for illegal aliens, including drug smugglers and Jihadists.

    Watch 'Immigration Gumballs' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ&NR=1) and begin to understand the problems with the importation of so many people from other cultures, into America (and this is the 'legal immigration'). Illegal aliens invading America add at least another million people to our society, all criminals (some felons, some Muslim terrorists). All of the illegal aliens are criminals because they break our fundamental federal laws to sneak into our country.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    Exactly right. The Muslims in America seek to use our laws and capture our language freedoms. The Muslims are easily 'offended' by our talking/writing about what is Islam and the Qur'an. The Qur'an is a book of lies, murder and is a book of strategy for the Muslims to use to overthrow other societies.

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    Worth looking at the history of the Muslim Brotherhood and their plan of a world-wide Caliphate. The MBs have been in America for at least the last 60 years, but possibly since the 1930's. The stealth insurgency they have been working on, all of these decade has involved placing MBs in influential places in the federal government and 'Education'. They seek to control the thoughts and language of Americans through 'correct' education of our youth.

    The kinetic Jihadi terrorist organization, Hamas, is an MB institution. The MB 'Stealth Jihad' organization, Council for American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is now the primary 'advisory group' for our federal government. This means that the MBs have the ears of Congressmen, Senators, our Presidents (Pres. Bush consulted with CAIR on a constant basis and often had his pictures made with them–notice the smug, satisfied looks the CAIR/MB people had on their faces).

  • Katharina(ex N.Aza)

    This is so evil! I think one strategy is for Judeo-Christian groups to really campaign hard on this very critical issue for Nov and 2012 election. I just read about the small Jewish communities who are being driven out of Malmo in Sweeden,and yet, despite of reports on anti-Semitic attacks, the swedish police and politicians have been spineless! The US Republican Party should not be the same! Barack Hussein Obama is evil, and US must be saved from his fascist Islamist power! After all, it might have been the Mufti of Jerusalem and some Arab-Muslim leaders, who instigated Hitler into committing the Holocaust – such history must be investigated, since anti-Semitism, I suspect, was constructed by Mohammed, the Arabic founder of Islam. In order to annihilate the Jews completely, he 'racialized' the Jews, as enemy of the Arab race. Besides, the history of the first brutal and systematic Genocide of the Jews in history, that include the wiping out the last village of the Jews in 627AD in Khaibar, is by Mohammed, in his goal to construct pure Arabian-Islamic Caliphate – see http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths… or http://www.andrewbostom.org/content/view/25/1/ or in the book by Andrew Bostom, The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History (Prometheus Books

  • Katharina(ex N.Aza)

    CONTINUE: “The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History” (Prometheus Books; Reprint edition, 2008).
    Mohammed’s army (even after his death in 632AD) then went on to conquer Christian Kingdoms in 718AD until the 15th. century, in the Iberian Peninsula, of what is now Portugal and Spain – See http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/w… and http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHist….
    Later on, more Genocide of the Jews, by Mohammed’s Muslim army when “…hundreds of Jews killed between 1010 and 1013 near Cordoba, and other parts of Muslim Spain; of the massacre of the entire Jewish community of roughly 4000 in Granada during the Muslim riots of 1066…” – see foreword by Ibn Warraq, a former Muslim and scholar at – http://www.andrewbostom.org/content/view/25/1/ . The Jews were spared earlier as they were forced or exploited to be used as soldiers, intellectuals and craftsmen, against Christian majority. Thus violent Arab-Muslims, is suspected to have sowed the seed for extreme hateful and racialized anti-Jew belief and attitude amongst the Christians, who have co-existed with the Jews, although amidst religious conflicts, before in ancient Europe.

  • Elliott

    How is the any different than Amish communities, other than they don't drive buggies.

  • Tonny

    Also in Amsterdam,Rotterdam, Den Haag, Utrecht , enz, people, wake up!

    Greetings from Amsterdam

  • Europe

    Yes USA This shit happens when you sell your self for low priced fuel at the gas station.

    Exxon / Mobil and the US gouvernment have to make some kneefall to the Arabs, to get themself a nice live. (Big Bonus , seven digits salary)
    Joe the plumber :) is the one who will pay for it all ( no-go areas)

    USA, your capitalistic system is what killing you from the inside.
    Nothing is going to stop this Islamification, because nobody in the US wants to change the system ( no taxes = poor infrastucture, cheap oil = more acceptation of islam in the US).

    YOUR OWN POLITICAL SYSTEM IS KILLING YOUR COUNTRY.

    (and betraying "friend" Israël)

  • aghast guest

    Dinna bothering ta argue with this "jamesheartfield" git…he's a red diaper baby from the start: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      Thanks for that research; it is no wonder that this dude has a -75 rating.

  • carole

    The area I live in York County, SC has an Islamic compound, Holy Islamaville and it sits directly down the power line from the Catawba Nuclear facility, about three miles, They claim to be peaceful and host arranged inter faith meetings but I think their intent is most likely sinister and find their location suspicious.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/MarieDevine MarieDevine

    As long as the people who profess God do not want to follow God's word, there will be no solution; but when we remember we must follow it to be saved, the solution is there. Islam today is in error as is Christianity ETC; Islam is supposed to be submission to the will and word of God as Christianity is supposed to be the same.
    Only faithfulness to God's word will join us all to the truth of the whole Bible; that was Muhammad's mission.

    The primary message through the prophet Muhammad was to follow the whole Bible, Torah and Gospel, and to judge by them. Moses, Jesus and Muhammad all had the message to follow every word of God He sent down.

    Qur'an, Ahmadiyya Numbers: 5.68, 69; 42.14-16, 5.43-51
    Bible: Matthew 4:4, Luke 16:31
    Bible: Deuteronomy 4:2; 8:3; 13:all, Exodus 20, Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28-30

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      Muhammad also proclaimed that Islam was the first 'religion' and word of God but that the Jews and Christians subverted that True Word. Muhammad also proclaimed that all of the previous Biblical Prophets were Muslims.

      Islam may be a cult that was 'created' by Muhammad. Islam is a blend of Christianity, Judaism and Arabian Paganism that was recited to Muhammad's followers, who later wrote it down.

      What was Muhammad's background as a Prophet and creator of Islam? He was a very angry, power-hungry, womanizing man who robbed trade caravans to support himself and his band of Muslims. Muhammad took slaves, murdered many thousands of helpless bound captives by his own hand, raped captives, and was a child molester. Is this the stuff of a holy man?

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/MarieDevine MarieDevine

        My comment is not about Muhammad's words or ideas; it is about God's word to Muhammad. Islam means submission to the will and word of God; Muslim means one that is submitted. With that truth Muhammad was right that the first religion was submitted to God and the previous prophets were submitted to God.

        Religion was not to have a name except follower of Jehovah, Yahweh God. He is His word and His word is God. When Jesus came, he said to repent, not start a new religion. He said to live by every word out of the mouth of God, not ignore all that has gone before. Read the scriptures at the end of my posts and see that we all need correction. God said, I will be merciful to those who show mercy.

        God said not to add to His word. All prophets, including Jesus were clarifying errors that had been passed down by religious leaders etc. The prophets of our past, even Jesus, have fulfilled the word of God that had not yet been fulfilled and restored what we had lost.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/WilliamJWard WilliamJamesWard

        Jesus is the Son of God and in the Christian theology the second person of the
        Trinity, he was crucified for the sins of the world and on the third day rose from
        the dead and ascended to the throne on the right hand of the Father. He will
        come again in glory to judge the living and the dead. There is no equivilancy
        between Jesus and Muhammad. Jesus gave the new covenant in His Blood,
        and from His Cross in His act there is salvation and only there at the Cross
        of Christ and understanding the meaning can there be reconciliation to
        the Godhead and the forgiveness of sin, otherwise you stand on your own at
        Judgement without Christ as your intercessor…………………..William

  • Tiberius

    Elliott, the difference is that the Amish and other non-muslim religious, acknowledge the rule of law. I live in Pennsylvania, and the Amish here do not attempt to exempt themselves from Federal, State, and local laws. They pay their taxes, they alter their buggies to meet state laws, they do not threaten or harrass non-Amish people who want to visist the areas where they live. The Amish, in short, are good Americans and good neighbors. These Muslim "no-go" zones are entrenched all over Europe, where they refuse to acknowledge the rule of law. Islam is insidious, it burrows in and then spreads. It astounds me that people here still equate Islam with other belief systems. Islam is both a religious and POLITICAL system, actually more the latter. These folks have been telling us for a very long time exactly what their intentions are; enslavement or forced conversion of the planet, subjugation of women and all non-muslims. THESE ARE THE BASIC TENETS OF THEIR RELIGION! Did you actually read the article? No-go zones? Really? In the USA, we have areas where Americans are forbidden to peacefully reside or visit? And we"re the intolerant ones?

    • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

      Tiberius, you have stated this point very well. Many thanks.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/MarieDevine MarieDevine

      God is love, but He does say He curses and destroys the non-believer. We have embraced anti-God behavior so long, we think it is kindness. God calls it abomination. All things that God hates, rob us of a glorious kingdom of love for God and love and protection, provision and peace.

      God is against nations joining together for protection, provision and control etc.;
      He frustrates, confuses and destroys their plans (G-20, UN, EU, NATO, Quartet)
      (Psalm 1 and 2, II Chronicles 16:7-12; 20:35-37; Leviticus 26, Isaiah 8:9-14; 30:1-7)

      Our government and world leaders including UN have been repeatedly warned throughout the war that God is against nations joining;
      and they have been repeatedly warned that this is a holy war and can only be won when we want God in our nation.

  • USMCSniper

    Think of them as future game preserves. And Muslims are the game!

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/nopoliticallemmings nopoliticallemmings

    Elliott wrote, " How is the any different than Amish communities, other than they don't drive buggies."

    Elliott, you probably have not read any of the Qur'an. The Islamic instruction book, the Qur'an has many passages that instruct Muslims to kill non-Muslims. Before you start quoting the Bible's Old Testament, know that for the Muslims, the Qur'an is all current instructions on conduct (the O.T. is not 'current' doctrine for Christians).

    The goals of Islam include world-wide Shariah Law; Elliott, do you see what this means? Islam is more than 'just' a religion, it is more like a cult. Anyone leaving Islam is to be killed, murdered, as it is written in the Qur'an. Islam is a 'way of life' and a government all rolled into one thing.

    Elliott, do some research and you will quickly understand how Islam is VERY different from what the Amish do.

  • Ner''zhul

    we need to ban the burqa, we need to stop construction of anymore mosques, as well as cease allowing the immigration of muslims into the USA. our way of life is being threatened and nothing is being done about it. they ride on the coat tails of freedom and tolerance to bring forth subjugation to islam and intolerance. islam is a systematic monster. it has political side, a military aspect, as well as a religious aspect that is primarily used to promote and push forward its supremist agenda. when the american government realizes this (by some miracle) then they will see what is going on.

    we are not only involved in a religious war that many people find preposterous as an idea….but a war of civilizations. we have our way of life, the western way…versus their 7th century barbarism that once again has come out to try to win a war that its lost before. this time however it is different, they will not use guns or bombs to do it. they are going to use demographics and their own people. they will set up these "no go" areas throughout the states, they will use lawfare to push their violent ideology into our workplace, our community, and if they get things their way…our own homes. look at dearborn michigan, look at NYC with the mega mosque. when you go out into town and if you're in an area where muslims reside pay attention to their women. see how many kiddos they are dragging around? they are over breeding their wives so that their children will grow up to have firm beliefs in their violent and oppressive ideology that is islam. after you look at our own country…look at the UK. look at France.

    if nobody stands up to this threat then they are just going to push and push their way into our way of life. shariah law on a global scale is their objective. the USA is their biggest obstruction and before you know it all eyes are going to be on us if we are going to cave into this barbaric ideology.

  • God bless Us

    I just read an article by Ben Stein…he claims that Hillary has made a pact with the U.N. to hand over our guns and nullify the 2nd ammendment, so if we plan on defending ourselves we had better arm ourselves with machetes, crossbows and pitchforks and soon, or we'll end up like Germany in 1938 disarmed….Then next to go will be our 1st ammendment so we can't complain…Obama has a plan to hand our beautiful country over to the Muslims and Sharia Law. God Bless America, I will say that because soon Christ and God will be forbidden words!

  • Citizenlikeyou

    I have read many of these comments relating to the above article. The article depicts Islam as one of the worst religions on the planet and that it is religion of terror.

    I'm not sure about all the mentioned parties, groups, and individuals above, but I can tell you that some of these individuals, groups, and leaders are reverts to Islam(Born Christians and reverted to Islam).

    So many of them are born citizens of the US. just like you. They went to some of the same schools you have been too, visited some of the same museums, ate at some of the same restaurants, and more. Understand that these muslims have families, children, jobs, businesses, etc. Do you think that people want to throw their lives away to foolishness like creating and ISLAMIC STATE within the US so muslims can have power? Some of these muslims have many family members from Mothers, Daughters, Children, Cousins, etc. that are NOT MUSLIM. Jihad is not killing ourselves, nor family, nor mankind! There is a saying from our beloved prophet (may peace and blessing be upon him) said:

    "Be good to your neighbor. And whoever treats his neighbor unjustly will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise"

    So I ask you? Are not most of our neighbors non-muslim? From different religions? So then why would we want to setup and Islamic State within the US?

    We care about all of our family and NON Muslim! The Quran which is the speech of ALLAH( not from man) tells us to "Keep the ties of Kinship!" Many muslims live with their Non-Muslim Christian mothers. And we are so called trying to setup an Islamic state!? (Please)

    People are trying to live their lives and be dutiful to mankind, muslims are not looking for the type of trouble you are dreaming up in your head.

    Find another target.

  • AMIR

    I have read most of your comments and i have found that you understand Islam as a religion of murder,hate,terrorism and war, i can't blame you for that since your understanding of Islam is based on the the horrible acts done by some muslims who need to be taught Islam from the very begining.Most of teachings of Islam are not practised in the way that Islam wanted by most muslims in the usa and other western countries, so the expected behaviour and actions of such muslims would contain horrible acts such as terrorism and killing of innocent lives. I personally disagree 100 percent about the 11 september attacks, Islam never allows the killing of thousands of innocent lifes, When i watched the attacks on tv i felt really sick of the incident.The quran states that who ever kills an innocent life and gave him safety and then kill him then hell fire will be his destiny and abode forever.The problem is in us (muslims) we haven't showed the world the true Islam.

  • lovesjeeves

    Commentator Dennis Praeger made a point of how successful the Left has been in indoctrinating our society through decades of liberal education and media influence, so much so that college students polled are now far more comfortable to be seen in public reading a copy of "Playboy" than in reading a Bible or other book of prayers. The one exception however is any reading of The Koran. That act, they cowardly deem as being enlightened.

  • John

    Think back on 9/11 if you will. Who was the enemy? Was it not an Islamic based attacked that sent 3000 + people to their grave? Ok, so you say we need religious tolerance in this country. How much tolerance should we allow? Do you know that in the Islamic culture when they have defeated their enemy they build a Mosque? Why do you think Obama is pushing so hard to have this Mosgue built on ground zero? It is a huge symbol of victory to the Islamic people that they have acheived a major victory in America. WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!! We have got to take a stand and clean this mess up NOW!!!!! You know… America is never mentioned in the biblical prophecy of the end times. You ever wonder why that is???? Because the strongest country in the WORLD has be come so complaciant and tolerant of other people we have turned a blind eye to things that are so wrong. We have allowed our selves to be destroyed from with-in,

  • Ritch McCutchen

    This can be resolved easily by not giving visas to anybody that lives in a Muslim country

  • Margaret Czekaj

    Since our President told the muslim world in his speech in Cairo in 2009, that we are "the largest muslim country in the world," maybe he knows something we don't.

    We are the dhimmi's, we just don't know it yet.

  • STEPHEN

    TRULY ANYONE THAT SEES THIS…… READ WORD OF THE LORD FOR YOURSELVES! EVERY COMMENT I'VE READ HERE ARE FROM SIMPLE MINDED PEOPLE, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. WE ALL ARE CALLED TO WORSHIP THE 1 TRUE GOD IN THE NAME OF THE SON JESUS CHRIST PLEASE DON'T WAIT SERIOUSLY.

  • Anaksha Fassin

    I love this kind of diatribe, and the ignorance it drips with. It makes it so easy to justify hating you Yammerikkans, and cheering on as you destroy yourselves. And, no, I am not a Muslim.

  • hashim

    excuse me these people who u talk about are all extremists and people who give islam a bad name i suggest actually studing islam before passing commentslike . even in muslims states u get white and christen or americans only areas,

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  • chethale

    They must all leave or die. No exceptions, men, women, children. Scorched earth is in effect.