Peter King Under Fire for Taking on Radical Islam in America

Ryan Mauro is a fellow with the Clarionproject.org, the founder of WorldThreats.com and a frequent national security analyst for Fox News Channel. He can be contacted at ryanmauro1986@gmail.com.


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New York Rep. Peter King is under attack for his plan to hold hearings on the Muslim community’s lack of cooperation with the government to stop the rising threat of homegrown radicalization when he becomes chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee. King’s investigation, though, is imperative, as even top Obama administration officials are warning of the frightening increase in acts of homegrown terrorism.

King is being described as the real extremist for his past vocal support of the Irish Republican Army and is being accused of having an anti-Muslim bias. The legal director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee says King has “bigoted intentions” and the community affairs director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations’ New York chapter says he “has dedicated years of his career peddling extremist rhetoric and baseless claims concerning the Muslim community and its leadership.”

The true “baseless claims” are the ones made against King. He was an advocate of U.S. military intervention in the former Yugoslavia on the side of Muslims, has taken Pakistan’s side over India’s in their fight over Kashmir, and had a long relationship with the Muslim community of Long Island. His record contradicts the accusation that he has an anti-Muslim agenda. His warnings are based in fact and they are echoed by top Obama administration officials.

“You didn’t worry about this [homegrown terrorism] even two years ago—about individuals, about Americans, to the extent that we now do,” Attorney General Eric Holder recently said. He added that over the past two years, 125 people in the U.S. have been indicted on terrorism-related charges, 50 of which are American citizens.

On September 22, Michael Leiter, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said the same thing. He said that terrorist plots against the U.S. “have surpassed the number and pace of attacks during any year since 9/11.” These facts underscore the need for a congressional investigation into how to adapt to this changing environment.

King is being criticized for saying in 2004 that “80-85 percent of the mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists,” even though he emphasized that this does not mean that everyone attending these mosques were extremists. The Council on American-Islamic Relations condemned him and the statement is being used as evidence of King’s anti-Muslim bias, but that figure originally came from a Sufi Muslim leader named Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, the chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America. Kabbani’s estimate has since been corroborated by an undercover investigation of 100 mosques and Islamic schools in the country that found that about 75 percent promote an anti-Western form of Islam.

The congressman’s criticism of the Muslim community for not pulling its weight in the War on Terror is what really outraged his critics. However, his stance comes from interacting with Muslims in Long Island that he had a long relationship with. After 9/11, he was shocked at how many of them dismissed evidence that Al-Qaeda carried out the attacks, instead attributing it to a government conspiracy involving Zionists.

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  • posse101

    a little too close to home? or are we worried about offending someone? with the money i donate to FPM you ought to be rushing to put my words up.

  • posse101

    another day, another attempt to smear someone who refuses to let islam roll over America. get ready for the parade of the usual suspects in this almost daily drama of "We're the injured party" crap. CAIR, ACLU, Arab Anti-discrimination groups, Attorney General Eric Holder, Barack Obama, twenty six people with the name mohammed and fifty three people whose name means Hitler in Arabic. just another day in America, circa 2010.

  • Spirit_Of_1683

    It's yet another example of "If you don't like the message, shoot the messenger", regardless of how true the message is. Hitler and Tojo must be furious at the fact that they hadn't born in 1960, or us born between 1900 and 1920, as they feed the furnaces of Hell.

  • Robert Laity

    Islam will be dominant IN HELL!

  • imnokuffar

    Can anyone really trust a Muslim ? Can Muslims trust Muslims , Can the West trust anything that is said by a Muslim. Is Obama a Muslim ? Or is it the fact that Muslims are intent on lying and deceiving. No, almost certainly there are good, Muslims but trying to find one is like searching for a needle in a haystack. And the haystack is growing exponentially. If Muslims don't like the concepts and precepts of our civilisation then they had better go and live in one of thier Islamic hellholes. No doubt they would find the remnants of other civilsations to persecute murder and abuse before turning on each other. Islam is what Islam is, a lying, homophobic, mysoginist and retrograde creed. There can be no negotiation with people who do not share, even in the slightest degree your worldview. The fact that I may well be called a "racist" or a "bigot" means not the slightest thing to me. Just as the fact that I believe that Muslims, by and large are ignorant morons who are parasites on the face of this planet. The fact I am even able to say these things is in and of itself an attribute of everything they seek to destroy and that is why they want to destroy us. The Marxists and Liberals who support these retrograde barbarians are guilty of treason and should be treated like the pariahs and traitorous scum that they are.

    • chets1girl

      Thank you for this post! If I had the power, I would be accusing (& proving) the traitorous behavior of our current administration – starting with King O! As a woman, I cannot imagine how or why an American woman would want to submit to being a Muslim. What's to gain? Become property instead of a person. Share my husband with three, maybe more, wives. Only go out when a man accompanies me. Etc. Etc. It's ridiculous. Yet, this oppressive worldview is gaining ground in our nation. I agree with John Haggee who has stated that Islam will overcome America with sheer numbers. Add up the number of their children to most Americans; and we lose. I think the "most Muslims are harmless" attitude will be our grave. Even if there is such a thing as a harmless Muslim; the sheer numbers tell me that they know of harmful ones because they're praying beside them in the mosque. America needs to get her head out of her a** on this subject and start defending herself….and, we sure can't do that with our Muslim-loving President at the helm.

      • Aswad

        You cannot imagine how or why an American woman would want to submit to being a Muslim. What's to gain? Become property instead of a person. Share my husband with three, maybe more, wives. Only go out when a man accompanies me. Etc. Etc. It's ridiculous. It may appear that way and I can certainly see how you would feel that way. Hurling recriminations at Islam when in fact the Judao-Christian traditions are the ones guilty of subjugating the woman. In fact the benefit for the American woman is that she becomes truly "liberated". And society is cleansed by the fact that men become men and marry the woman instead of just F****ing her and making babies that are not taken care of and raised properly. Women have the protection of their family or husbands when they go out so that they are not raped or murdered by the sick psychopaths that this society creates, ect. I understand here again that you are so accustomed to the cease pool of a society as America has become where it is ok to have 20 to infinity the number of sexual partners without any obligation or real repercussions, except that the children born to these hideous relationships suffer. But dont just ask the question, seek the answer! In America a man can marry a man or a dog or a lion or a bus and have as many partners as he likes but ALLAH forbid he should stand up and be a man and take care of the 2, 3, or 4 wives he marries and the children born in them. No why would we want to change the status quo – lets just keep it going like this until it implodes on us all. I am sure there are many solutions but you have not come up with one yet because you have not even admitted to the problem. What is it that you seek? What do you care about the plight of women in America and the world?

    • Aswad

      America has become the "HELL HOLE" at this point in human history. The fact that the next great civilization will be an Islamic one is the source of your angst and I understand that but it wont change the reality! Like Rome was not built in a day, nor did it fall in a day, but it did fall and was replaced by a more vibrant civilization. So to was America built in time and on the backs of millions of slaves, be they African, native or Chinese. America is like Rome -in decline and this did not happen overnight. It to will be replaced by a far better civilization. There is a place for every one in every civilization. In America today the Muslims are as you say, " persecutors murderers and abusers who turn on each other. Islam is what Islam is, a lying, homophobic, misogynist and retrograde creed". Now in the "NEW" civilization it is what you are now and will be then. So look at it this way, do all that ALLAH allows you to do but rest assured you will be called to account for what it is that you did.

      • imnokuffar

        Piss off you Islamic lying scumbag.Our civilisation is far superior to yours. You have nothing to offer but slavery, mysoginy, anti-semitism, and homophobia – even though loads of you indulge in the same vice yourselves. You invent nothing, improve nothing, steal, lie and cheat. You are the scum of the earth. I look forward to the time when the kuffar rise up and give you scumbags a taste of the medicine you are inflicting upon us.

        Not all of us are stupid Dhimmis as you and your ilk will find out soon.

  • http://apollospaeks.blogtownhall.com ApolloSpeaks

    At last, at last a House Committee On Un-American Islamic Activities. My hero Joe McCarthy is cheering from the grave.

    Click my name to read my latest piece: Islam’s Just War Doctrine and the Problem of Israel’s Enduring Existence.

  • http://apollospaeks.townhall.com ApolloSpeaks

    At last, at last a House Committee On Un-American Islamic Activities. My hero Joe McCarthy is cheering from the grave.

    Click my name to read my widely posted piece: Islam's Just War Doctrine and the Problem of Israel's Enduring Existence.

    • traeh

      ApolloSpeaks,
      Your comment here sounds at first blush as though you were an apologist for Islam. I thought the first line about Joe McCarthy was intended as a sort of sarcastic insult to Peter King — because many believe Joe McCarthy was evil.

      The second line of your comment, against at first blush, seems to suggest that Islam is just in war, and that Israel's enduring existence is a problem, as if you were trying to find a solution that would end that existence.

      So I clicked on the thumbs down icon, and that subtracted a point from your comment. But then for some reason I did a double take, and realized I might have misinterpreted your comment. I then clicked on your name so I could check out your article, and discovered you are the opposite of an apologist for Islam — you are part of the Resistance.

      I'm guessing that most or all of your comment's negative votes were due to exactly the same misunderstandings I've just described.

      • traeh

        "against at first blush" should be "again at first blush"

      • Karen

        Joe McCarthy was potrayed as evil…. while Clinton was President he was vinidicated by the released classified documents from Soviet Union indicated those he accused of communism WERE TRUE!

    • aspacia

      I have never previously read your links. Your post appears to slam Israel, whereas your link is a slam against Islam. You might consider using words more carefully.

  • http://FREEDOMISNOTSLAVERY.blogspot.com/ a fellow patriot

    Anybody remember how may of the last 10 terrorist acts were committed by Muslim men whose 1st name was Mohammud or a variation thereof?

    • kafir4life

      <Hand raised> I do!

    • http://qalam.ca BenE

      I don’t know whether your last 10 list is worldwide or local. Here is al list of attacks since 2008 in the U.S. It only includes successful attacks. Thwarted or failed attacks, like the 2009 Christmas underwear bomber and the Times Square bomber are not included. The only attacks that count are those that succeed (or would have succeeded if they had not been stopped). In the 13 attacks listed, 1 was by an unknown perpetrator; 2 were definitely carried out by Muslims; 1 may have Muslim involvement and 9 (69%) had NO Muslim involvement. If this list included the large number of gratuitious hate-crime attacks against individual Muslims (assaults) and against mosques (firebombs and vandalism), the Muslim participation rate would be extremely low.

      –2008 February: Animal-rights extremists physically assaulted the family members of animal researchers at the University of California, Santa Cruz.
      NO Muslim involvement.

      –2008 March 3: Four multimillion-dollar show homes place in Woodinville, Washington, are torched. The Earth Liberation Front is suspected.
      NO Muslim involvement.

      –2008 March 6: A homemade bomb damaged a Recruiting Office in Times Square. Believed to be a protest against U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      POSSIBLE Muslim involvement but no hard evidence.

      –2008 May 4 Multiple nail-laden pipe bombs exploded at a Federal Courthouse in San Diego causing "considerable damage" to the entrance and lobby and sending shrapnel two blocks away. The F.B.I. is investigating links between this attack and an April 25 explosion at the FedEx building also in San Diego.
      Perpetrators and motive unknown.

      –2008 July 27 Jim D. Adkisson opened fire in the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee because the church supported liberal social policies.
      NO Muslim involvement.

      –2008 August 2, August 3 University of California-Santa Cruz molecular biologist David Feldheim's home was firebombed. A car belonging to another researcher was destroyed by a firebomb. Believed to be the actions of animal rights groups.
      NO Muslim involement.

      –2009 May 31: Assassination of Dr. George Tiller, a physician who performed late-term abortions. He was shot to death in a Wichita, Kansas church. Tiller was shot previously in 1993, and his abortion clinic had been bombed in 1985. Scott Roeder, who believes in justifiable homicide of abortion providers, was arrested for the killing.
      NO Muslim involvement.

      –2009 May 25: Crude bomb explodes in a Starbucks in Manhattan's Upper East Side. On July 14, Kyle Shaw age 17 was convicted and imprisoned.. Police said his motive was to attack « corporate American ».
      NO Muslim involvement.

      –2009 June 1: Arkansas recruiting office shooting One military recruiter was killed, and another critically injured, by gunshot at a Little Rock, Arkansas Army/Navy Career Center. The suspect, Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, said he was part of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula and upset over U.S. killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      Muslim involvement admitted.

      –2009 June 10: United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting. 88-year-old James Wenneker von Brunn walked into the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. and shot a guard, who later died. Von Brunn was a self-described white supremacist and neo-Nazi.
      NO Muslim involvement.

      –2009 November 5: Fort Hood Shooting, Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan opens fire and kills 13 people at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas in what Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano described as an act of “violent Islamic terrorism.”
      Muslim involvement.

      –2010 February 18: Joseph Stack flew a small plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas, believed to be in retaliation to the U.S. Government.
      NO Muslim involvement.

      –2010 September 1: Jamie Lee wearing explosives and carrying a gun took hostages at the headquarters of the Discovery Channel in Silver Spring, Maryland before being killed by police. He was protesting the channels "anti environmental" message and programming encouraging birth of humans whom he called filthy.
      NO Muslim involvement.

  • Gamaliel Isaac

    Dr. Jasser is very rare and very atypical of Muslims. Rep King should never have supported the war for Muslims in Europe and it is outrageous that he takes Pakistan's side over Kashmir.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Dr. Jasser is very rare and very atypical of Muslims.

      The reality is Dr. Zudhi Jasser, just like other so-called reformers of Islam such as the lesbian Irshad Manji and the irrepressible Raheel Raza, are not Muhammadans but pretenders, and the only following those publicity hounds have with respect to their so-called reform movement is not within Islam, but instead within clueless kafir infidels like the clueless writer who penned this article. The fact of the matter is the text of Islam is immutable. Hence, it can’t be reformed. Not to mention that Islam is not really a religion but instead a theo-political totalitarian ideology and like other forms of totalitarianism such as Communism, Nazism, and Fascism, is impossible to be reformed. Hence, those so-called Muhammadan reformers in the eyes of devout Muhammadans are not seen as reformers, as the clueless writer of this article naively assumes, but instead as blasphemers and apostates of Islam that must be executed.

      Rep King should never have supported the war for Muslims in Europe and it is outrageous that he takes Pakistan's side over Kashmir.

      I agree and it indicates that he still has a long way to go before he fully understands Islam. Thus, while I admire his courage, I won’t expect much to become of his impending hearings.

    • ahmadnb

      Europe…yes. Pakistan…no.

      Bosniaks and Albanians are not like the Arabs. They have no quarrel with Israel…in fact, they're pretty friendly with Israel. They know who their friends are, and they're not very fond of Arabs for good reasons. They were instrumental in exposing terrorist fronts in the USA masquerading as charities. In Albania a Synagogue just opened up in Tirana, the first since WWII.

      It was an Albanian high official who said "No one veils the Statue of Liberty's face" after 9/11.

  • jacob

    Bravo for Rep. KING to have the courage to take on the Muslims and not dropping
    his pants at the yells of "Discrimination" or "biased" or Muslimphobe, as 99% of American politicians and govmt.officials do..

    Risking to sound like a broken record, I would like to ask OBAMA, his clique, his
    abject media and ALL of the Muslim organizations worldwide, whether to them
    were also MUSLIM MODERATES all those dancing and giving out candy in the
    streets of QUEENS, NY while the WTC burned and people jumped to their
    deaths from the windows ???

    And once again, until I get blue in the face, I repeat the words of YOSHIRO
    SAGAMORI :

    EVERY SINGLE PRACTICING MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST.
    IT IS WHAT HAS BEEN HAMMERED INTO HIS HEAD FORM CRADDLE TO GRAVE
    AND IT IS WHAT HIS "RELIGION" EXPECTS FROM HIM…

    And once again, I dare anyone to prove her wrong…

    • ahmadnb

      "EVERY SINGLE PRACTICING MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST.
      IT IS WHAT HAS BEEN HAMMERED INTO HIS HEAD FORM CRADDLE TO GRAVE
      AND IT IS WHAT HIS "RELIGION" EXPECTS FROM HIM…

      And once again, I dare anyone to prove her wrong… "
      That would be easy. I'm a strong Muslim and have never supported terrorism. I have no problems with the US Constitution. I even support Israel. Questions?

      • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

        Bullsh-t!

        • ahmadnb

          Prove it.

          Of course…smells like what you've got in that little skull of yours.

          • ahmadnb

            Sorry…I meant to say:

            'I am proof that "EVERY SINGLE PRACTICING MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST" and just one of MANY' is flat-out WRONG and I am just one of MANY who are Muslim and NOT a terrorist.

    • ahmadnb

      You will not admit the truth. I am proof that "EVERY SINGLE PRACTICING MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST" and just one of MANY. I don't know a single terrorist and would have reported every one of them to the FBI had I been given the chance to do so. The truth is, the terrorists amongst us use us for cover and don't reveal themselves until they have already done something crazy. That's why it's so difficult to ferret them out. They KNOW that they would be ferreted out.

      But none of this means anything to you, 'cos your mind is already made up. Your mind is as closed as those who persecuted Galileo for his heliocentric views. Everything you disagree with, even when you're wrong, is "Bullsh-t". Prove me wrong, boy!

  • MAKAHAYAN

    REP. KING IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK , WITH THE RIGHT INFORMATION .
    AFTER THE TOWELHEADS DESTROYED WORLD TRADE CENTER , AMERICANS
    SHOULD BE SO ANTI-MUSLIM THAT WE ROUND UP EVERY ONE OF THEM AND
    DEPORT THEM , EVEN IF THEY WERE BORN HERE . YOU NEVER KNOW WHICH
    ARAB CITIZEN OR RESIDENT WILL ATTACK US NEXT .

  • MAKAHAYAN

    MANY EUROPEAN NATIONS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF MUSLIMS AND THEIR ACTIONS .
    THE BURKHA HAS BEEN BANNED , PRAYER ON THE STREET HAS BEEN OUTLAWED ,
    AND OTHER NECESSARY RESTRICTIONS HAVE BEEN INVOKED . WHO DO THESE
    CLOWNS THINK THEY ARE TO CHANGE THE WAY AMERICA AND OTHER COUNTRIES
    LIVE THEIR LIVES AND DO BUSINESS . SPRAY THEM WITH THE BLOOD AND URINE
    OF PIGS AND SEND THEM TO SOME ARAB COUNTRY .

    • Aswad

      They think they are just as entitled to change any country just as America does. And if Americans who are not native are not happy with that then they should go back to the "HELL HOLES" they left. They came, they killed, they took, they exploited, they changed the cultures of the people and their laws and now that they are old and decrepit with decadence and are in dire need of rejuvenation they now scream foul and time out. Very interesting. Life – the human epoch will continue to play out as it always has. Nations rise and fall ok. Civilizations rise and fall. Islam rose once and fell and will rise again. America rose, is falling and may not rise again as it is today. Get over it. Think globally also. Every where there is suffering in the world you can bet your farm that America was and is there. So instead of fighting your Muslim country men learn enough about yourselves first then you might be able to be just enough to the Muslim and Islam to learn about it just enough to present it properly.

      • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

        You make the argument that we must declare total War against Islam!

      • MAKAHAYAN

        WRONG HOG BREATH . MUSLIMS ARE THE WORST , MOST DANGEROUS ,
        LYING, HORRIBLE FILTH EVER KNOWN IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD .
        TO LEARN THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM , LISTEN TO CONVERTED MUSLIMS AND PEOPLE WHO SURVIVED UNDER THE THREAT OF SHARIAH LAW . VIEW THE
        40 + VIDEOS AT : http://www.youtube.com/MAKAHAYAN

  • Raoul

    Simple questions for Muslim Apologists:

    Was 9/11 a political act or a religious act?

    If it was a political act then stop treating Islam like a religion – its a political movement.
    If it was a religious act then are we not correct to condemn the religion that advocates slaughter of innocents?

  • USMCSniper

    Ann Coulter described Islam as the culprit accurately in a speech after she chronologically listed all the Muslim terrorist acts from the Fort Hood massacre of Americans recently to the 1979 taking of Amercan hostages as it ceases to be profiling when 100% of the acts describe the suspects. Yet some will never get it!

  • qsome

    rep. king is doing the right thing. this is a position no one wants to be put into especially a politician. i am sure this will be used against him and the republican party. i don't think the democrats are really upset about this investigation. they'll act like they are and then turn around and use the information themselves. how are we going to have this reach out to the muslim community if we don't deal with the truth?

  • Beth

    qsome asks: "how are we going to have this reach out to the muslim community if we don't deal with the truth?"

    Who wants to reach out to those who stand by the teachings of beheadings, crucifixions, treason and genocide against 'infidels' ?

    Only those who are corrupt.

  • Stephen_Brady

    At the time of 9/11, I worked with a Muslim man from Lebanon, who was a former Lebanese Marine. His name was Muhammed, and we were on very friendly terms. I even remember saying that I would "trust my life" to him, at one time.

    The day after 9/11, he came into work with a strange gleam in his eyes, pronounced "victory" against America, and said that he was going back to Lebanon to join the fight. I told our supervisor, and he immediately called the FBI, having sent the man home.

    I'm glad that this incident happened. It gave me a chance to see "moderate Islam" for the lie that it is. I've never trusted a Muslim, since that day.

    • Soylent Green

      There was a Muslim man working for a civilian contractor at the local Air Force Base on 9/11 who stood up and cheered when the second plane hit. He was sent home and his employment was terminated. Of course, the joke was on us as he sued the employer and the court ordered that he be re-instated a year later with all of his back pay.

      • Stephen_Brady

        I remember that … by the time the second plane hit … the American public still didn't know that this was Islamist terrorism. How did he know?

        This never seems to end, does it?

    • ahmadnb

      You can't judge the thoughts of 1 billion Muslims based on one misguided idiot.

      9/11 was one of the worst days of my life. After it happened I called everyone I could…family, friends, Muslims, non-Muslims. I told non-Muslims that this was an extremely nasty attack, and that Islam did not condone it, and that those responsible should be hunted down and killed. I told Muslims that this act must be condemned in the strongest terms and must not go unpunished.

      Questions?

      • Stephen_Brady

        To the extent that you condemned this attack, you are to be commended. I remember the story of the Japanese cab driver in Honolulu who, when the extent of the attack on Pearl Harbor was known, stated to his fare, "GD Japan! We'll lick those b******s, yet."

        One billion Muslims, though, and you never know who is the next radical Islamist with a bomb. Calculate, for me, how many potential terrorists there are, if only 1/10th of 1% of them are radicalized. That's a lot of potential murder, Ahmad, and how can you recognize them?

        Note that there are a lot of people in this state, Illinois … one of the most blue of the blue/liberal states … who are starting to call for mass deportations and profiling at the airports and on the streets.

        Personally, I support Mr. King in this effort. It may lead in a direction that you or I don't anticipate. He doesn't have to become McCarthy II, you know.

        • ahmadnb

          I support Rep. King. And I don't think McCarthy was such a bad guy…he was right about the commies. He may have been just a bit far-fetched in his methods in ferreting them out, but he sure hit the mark…

          • Stephen_Brady

            I appreciate what you've said, sir.

            A quick follow-up on my previous statement: No one hates the Japanese, today, except for the occasional 80-90 year old veteran of the Pacific War. But that's because the killing stopped, and people my age (62) or younger don't have a memory of Japanese attacks.

            On 9/11, the Islamists overplayed their hand. They angered America, and most of the world, with a deadly attack, but one that didn't knock out the power of America. Without that knockout blow, the almost daily attacks throughout the world simply ensure that people … including the young … don't have a chance to forget. That works against you in a very real way.

            When today's 20-year olds are 70, they will be laughed at as silly old men … if the attacks stop today. Otherwise, this war will never end …

          • ahmadnb

            The attacks will not stop until:
            1) The terrorists are completely wiped out.
            2) Those who fund extremist teachings are wiped out.
            3) Those who would spread extremist teachings are wiped out.

            There can be no peace between Islamic fundies and the rest of us. They must all be wiped out.

      • hardroad1999

        "You can't judge the thoughts of 1 billion Muslims based on one misguided idiot."

        Why do I get the feeling there is a slightly larger number than "1 misguided idiot" out of the billion.

        Don't all muslims drink from the same immutable trough?

        • ahmadnb

          Most Muslims, from the best of my knowledge, read the same Qur'an. But we interpret it in different ways and don't agree with one another in its interpretation.

          Likewise, the Bible has been used to promote everything from Gandhi's passive resistance to British rule to the doctrine known as Apartheid.

      • TEW

        Please provide a passage from the man made book of yours that teaches killing infidels is NOT a duty of musilms……Also, how would anyone know that what you speak is not the product of Al-taqiyya which allows you to lie through your teeth for the purpose of deceiving others for the furtherance of your false religion?

        • ahmadnb

          ["Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. " (Qur'an 2:256)]

          I keep hearing this thing about al-Taqiyya…this only applies when WAR has been declared. If Islam had been spread through lies and deceit, it would never have triumphed over 20% of the world's population.

          Al-Taqiyya is a policy that is followed even by Western governments…most notably in deceiving the German Nazis that the Allies intended to invade Europe through Spain instead of Normandy.

        • ahmadnb

          As for being a man-made book, let's see…a book coming out of the desert that no major civilization had ventured into, written by a man known to have been illiterate, yet honest, sincere and trustworthy even to his enemies, one who lacked any worldly ambitions, one who was able to complete and coclude the book before he passed on, one who was ultimately victorious over all his enemies and one whose former enemies ended up becoming key figures in the expansion of Islam. And the central tenet was simply that there was only One God and that he (Muhammad) was His messenger. A false religion? I seriously doubt it. What were so many Jews doing in Medina before he came there? It's true that he was rejected by and large by the Jews of Medina, but a number of key Rabbis defected early on to Islam, some without the knowledge of Muhammad. Surely they knew something that folks like you don't…

          Believe in what you will. I am entitled to keep mine and have very good reasons for doing so…I am not afraid of you. And I am certainly not afraid of the Islamic fundies…they're a lot scarier than you are. I am a Muslim because I have chosen to be one, and will always be a Muslim, God Willing.

        • ahmadnb

          Now please answer my first. Where does it say in the Qur'an that "killing infidels is a duty of musilms"?

  • waterwillows

    Good going for King. I am sick and tired of these radical lefties supporting and enabling the terror groups to operate in America. Do they ever ask themselves the question; why I am so afraid of questions that need to be asked……and bloodly well answered?
    We need a lot more people like King to step up to the plate and put Islam and it's followers under the microscope. They and their lefty enablers have been sliding on lies for too long.

    • http://blog.yintercept.com yintercept

      Do you remember in the Audacity of Hope how Obama said he liked to hang out with the foreign students and Marxist profs?

      I liked to hang out with the foreign students, and discovered that Marxist profs glommed on to foreign students. The American professoriat would actively work to radicalize foreign students.

      I wish people understood that our professional left is doing more than just enabling radical Islam. The radical professoriat that infest our Universities is a force that has been actively radicalizing groups both home and abroad..

  • ObamaYoMoma

    You want to uncover radical Islam in America? Stop deliberately deceiving the American people in which the writer of this article is very guilty! As a matter of fact, when you label Islam as being radical it infers that there must be a moderate form of Islam. However, the text of Islam is immutable and the jihad ideology, which is the holy obligation for Muhammadans to wage jihad against unbelievers for the spread of Islam, couldn’t be more mainstream within Islam, as it is taught and advocated by every sect within Islam and by all Islamic schools of jurisprudence in both Sunni and Shi’a Islam.

    Now, how many sects of Islam and how many schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach and advocate the so-called moderate and reformist version of Islam put forth by fake Muhammadans like Dr. Zudhi Jasser, the lesbian Irshad Manji, and Raheel Raza? The answer is exactly zero, as their only following consist of a few clueless kafir infidels like the writer of this article. Indeed, outside the US and Canada how many Muhammadans have ever heard of the aforementioned moderate reformers? The answer is exactly zero!

    In any event, the people who obliviously hold up these fake Muhammadans as being moderate Muhammadans don’t understand what Islam really is. When you understand that Islam is not a religion but instead a theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, then you understand that Islam can’t be reformed anymore than other forms of totalitarianism such as Communism, Fascism, and Nazism could be reformed.

    Indeed, while Islam may have initially started out as being a religion, after the Hijra, Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina in 622 CE, Muhammad morphed Islam into something else entirely different from religion altogether, and it was this miraculous transformation of Islam from the realm of religion to the realms of jihad, politics, and conquest that led to Islam’s enormous success since a short 100 years after Muhammad’s death Islam had already conquered most of the known world. Had Islam remained only a religion like it was prior to the Hijra and shortly thereafter, Islam would have died out in the desert of Arabia when Muhammad died and no one would have ever heard of Islam and Muhammad.

    Not to mention that even if Islam could be reformed just in the nick of time to save the world, that process if similar to the process that occurred in Christianity would still take a few centuries to fully manifest as it did in Christianity via the Reformation and the Enlightenment Period which eventually led to modernity. Nevertheless, in the meantime the Muhammadans could reek a whole lot of damage, especially when you consider the fact that unless something pretty damn drastic is done in the near term, much of Europe and probably Russia will begin becoming Islamic by the middle of this century via the stealth and deceptive non-violent form of jihad that is demographic conquest.

    Therefore, the answer is to recognize Islam for what it really is: a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia, which is a very harsh and very radical form of totalitarianism. Indeed, Islam is exactly like Communism in that it is also very totalitarian and like Communism also sought to subjugate the world into totalitarianism, Islam also seeks to subjugate the world into totalitarianism. Hence, when we open up the floodgates to mass Muhammadan immigration we are in effect facilitating the process of Islamization, which will inevitably lead to our eventual subjugation.

    Thus, we must outlaw Islam on the grounds that Islam is not a religion but instead a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that like Communism before seeks to subjugate the world into totalitarianism, and in the process ban and reverse Muhammadan immigration. Anything less will eventually lead to the Islamization and the subjugation into totalitarianism of the USA and indeed the entire West.

    • ahmadnb

      You're really full of it. Be prepared to have a very bitter life…

      • aspacia

        Attack his claim, not his character. Your claim is invalid ahmadnb.

        • ahmadnb

          His claims are complete rubbish, bigoted and impractical and provide an insight into his/her character. No sensible, reasonable person would make the claims that he/she did and be seriously considered to be someone who is reasonable. Just as someone who makes anti-Jewish remarks can be considered to be anti-Semitic, or someone who makes derogatory comments about blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, etc. be considered to be a racist. I stand by my comments and am entitled to my opinions.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Hey ahmadnb, just out of curiosity, can you point out one single thing in my post that is wrong or incorrect, which would make my post illegitimate and bigoted criticism? In other words, can you put your money where your mouth is, or is it that you just try to discredit posters anytime you see something you disagree with.

            Confusing the truth with bigotry is the purview of delusional Leftists, as their moral compasses have been rendered null and void. Or maybe it could be that you are just a Muhammadan apologist or terrorist sympathizer. Or maybe you are just a taqiyya spewing Muhammadan. Nevertheless, whatever the hell you are, can you prove one single thing contained in my post is inaccurate and not factual? Please excuse me if I won’t hold my breath.

          • ahmadnb

            "However, the text of Islam is immutable and the jihad ideology, which is the holy obligation for Muhammadans to wage jihad against unbelievers for the spread of Islam, couldn’t be more mainstream within Islam, as it is taught and advocated by every sect within Islam and by all Islamic schools of jurisprudence in both Sunni and Shi’a Islam"

            If that was true, then how do you explain the fact that significant populations of Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. continued to reside in Muslim lands under Muslim rulers for centuries? Many Christians and Jews dring the early years of Islamic civilization preferred to live under Muslim rule than under the rule of European Christians.

          • aspacia

            Most were and still are horribly persecuted in these lands. Just read Jihad Watch for insight. Also, try perusing Maimonides regarding Muslim discrimination. Your faith is violent and intolerant.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            If that was true, then how do you explain the fact that significant populations of Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. continued to reside in Muslim lands under Muslim rulers for centuries?

            And all of them are systematically persecuted and often violently oppressed per the dictates of Sharia, which governs the harsh and repressive institution of dhimmitude. In other words, those non-Muhammadans are living in harsh and degrading dhimmitude, which is a very cruel and brutal system of subjugation designed to convert non-Muhammadans over time to Islam. What are you deceptively pretending to be: a complete ignoramus of Islam? Thus, you are resorting to vilifying and demonizing me in an effort to marginalize me and at the same time what I have to say?

            If we study Islam, we learn that after each great wave of jihad in Islamic civilization where millions of non-Muhammadans were conquered, a period of enlightenment ensued, not because Muhammadans suddenly became more creative and inventive, but instead because of the mass infusion of non-Muhammadans rendered into harsh and degrading dhimmitude in their society. In fact, most of the inventions and discoveries Islamic civilization claims credit for creating today were actually usurped from the non-Muhammadan civilizations and peoples that were conquered and subsumed by Islamic civilization, or otherwise were created shortly thereafter by non-Muhammadan dhimmis living under Muhammadan rule yet to be converted.

            However, over time Islamic society inevitably swept back into darkness and backwardness, as the conquered non-Muhammadan populations, via the harsh and degrading institution of dhimmitude, eventually were converted to Islam, and when that eventuality slowly happened over time, Islamic society inevitably gradually reverted back into backwardness and darkness via that mechanism, as Islamic society is a totally parasitic society incapable of producing anything on its own other than jihad, conquest, suffering, and lots and lots of misery.

            Hence, even today Muhammadans are incapable of producing anything on their own and are still totally dependent on the West for the technology and manpower it needs to drill its oil, to produce its oil, to ship its oil, to operate its banking systems, etc., etc., etc.

            Thus, if Islamic society eventually becomes successful in fulfilling its main goal, which is the subjugation of the entire world via the imposition of Sharia, which is a very harsh system of totalitarianism that is intrinsic to Islam, the world will eventually revert into backwardness and darkness, as Islamic civilization is a very retrograde society that eventually pulls all of the societies it conquers and subsumes back into 7th century barbarism.

          • ahmadnb

            "If we study Islam, we learn that after each great wave of jihad in Islamic civilization where millions of non-Muhammadans were conquered, a period of enlightenment ensued, not because Muhammadans suddenly became more creative and inventive, but instead because of the mass infusion of non-Muhammadans rendered into harsh and degrading dhimmitude in their society. In fact, most of the inventions and discoveries Islamic civilization claims credit for creating today were actually usurped from the non-Muhammadan civilizations and peoples that were conquered and subsumed by Islamic civilization, or otherwise were created shortly thereafter by non-Muhammadan dhimmis living under Muhammadan rule yet to be converted."

            I find the above assertion totally ridiculous and contradictory beyond comprehension. No population of people is apt to contribute to a civilization that oppresses them.

          • aspacia

            The Romans adopted most Greek customs and religious practices, albeit they changed the gods and goddesses names (i.e. Zeus became Jupiter)

            In the U.S. many Native American tribes have adapted to Western culture, and have thrived. In Southern California we have numerous Native American Tribes running casinos. The tribes that own land in Palm Springs are very wealthy. Sure, many are justly resentful, and they have a high illiteracy, poverty and suicide rates, but many have adopted many Western ways but have learned not to drink because they have the genetic disposition for alcoholism.

          • ahmadnb

            The rest of the post sounds like your usual "blah, blah, blah, Islam is evil, blah, blah, blah, I'm thoooo thmart but keep getting degraded by that beeg, bad, evil Muhammadan ahmadnb, blah, blah, blah, history must be wrong and so must be re-written to look more favorable towards Christians and less favorable towards Muslims who can do no right".

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Many Christians and Jews dring the early years of Islamic civilization preferred to live under Muslim rule than under the rule of European Christians.

            If people are gullible enough to believe that garbage, then I have a bridge I need to sell them. The myth that claims that the Jews preferred to live under the thumb of Islam rather than under the thumb of Christianity is taqiyya, or deceptive Islamic dissimulation meant to deceive gullible and naive useful idiot kafirs, and it is also very demonstrably false. For instance, most of the Jews lived in Christendom exactly to escape the cruelty and barbarity inherent in Islamic civilization with its harsh and very degrading institution of dhimmitude.

            The notion that Muhammadan Spain was an enlightened pluralistic multicultural paradise where Christians, Jews, and Muhammadans all lived side by side in freedom, peace, and harmony is a myth concocted by leftwing and secular historians with the aid of Muhammadan apologists that were deliberately trying to vilify and demonize Christianity out of context in a concerted effort to destroy Christianity, which, by the way, was very successful as Christianity has nearly been eradicated from the European continent toay, but not without consequences, as the impending demographic collapse of Europe will lead to Europe becoming Islamic in the second half of the 21st century unless something very drastic is done in the near term.

            Anyway, read what the words of Maimonides, a famous Jewish scholar often cited by leftwing secular historians and Islamic apologists as being a beneficiary of Moorish Spain’s generous enlightened and pluralistic values, really had to say about living under the thumb of Islam, “You know, my brethren, that on account of our sins God has cast us into the midst of this people, the nation of Ishmael, who persecute us severely, and who devise ways to harm us and to debase us.…No nation has ever done more harm to Israel. None has matched it in debasing and humiliating us. None has been able to reduce us as they have.…We have borne their imposed degradation, their lies, and absurdities, which are beyond human power to bear…. the Arabs have persecuted us severely, and passed baneful and discriminatory legislation against us…Never did a nation molest, degrade, debase, and hate us as much as they…”

            I hate to have to rain on your deceptive Islamic charade again, but Islamic society wasn’t nearly as enlightened, civil, and polite as many in the West were misled to believe, or otherwise the majority of Jews living in the world during that time would have chosen to live in Islamic civilization as opposed to Christendom. However, for some odd reason, I wonder what it could be, the vast overwhelming majority of Jews chose to live in Christendom instead.

          • ahmadnb

            "The myth that claims that the Jews preferred to live under the thumb of Islam rather than under the thumb of Christianity is taqiyya, or deceptive Islamic dissimulation meant to deceive gullible and naive useful idiot kafirs, and it is also very demonstrably false"

            Sure, and the Jewish Holocaust was a bunch of lies propagated by Zionists. HA-HA.

            If Moses Maimonides suffered so much under Muslim rule, why did he not flee to Europe? He fled to Morocco, then moved on to Egypt where he lived and died.

            It's obvious from your post here that you think ALL history that favors Islam even slightly was all made up. Western propaganda against Islam was severe for over a thousand years. The treatment of Jews under Muslim rule was seen as better than that under Christian rule. Perhaps Ferdinand and Isabella brought in a new Golden Age in Spain by allowing Judaism to flourish, and that the inquisition against non-Christians was just a bunch of Islamic and leftist propaganda that was meant to destroy Christianity.

            You're as enightened as Louis Farrakhan, I see.

          • ahmadnb

            "Now, how many sects of Islam and how many schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach and advocate the so-called moderate and reformist version of Islam put forth by fake Muhammadans like Dr. Zudhi Jasser, the lesbian Irshad Manji, and Raheel Raza? The answer is exactly zero, as their only following consist of a few clueless kafir infidels like the writer of this article."
            The Bosnian Muslim school of law that developed after Bosnia was ceded to Austria-Hungary. And Dr. Zudhi Jasser, a fake Muslim? That makes you a fake "scholar" of Islam, 'cos then I must be a fake Muslim, too…

          • aspacia

            Jasser is enlightened, just as Christians became enlightened. The only salvation for you and your ilk, the only hope of becoming respected is to practice tolerance and stop the violence.

          • ahmadnb

            You know, that's the problem with the likes of folks like you.

            You in the West armed the Islamic fundies to the teeth (and STILL do, hoping to "turn them around"). They first turned their arms against those of us who are enlightened and abhor violence and intolerance, and wiped most of us out. They hate us more than they hate you. We have been warning you about them for decades, and you dismissed our claims and concerns. You made a decision with regard to who was a stronger foe against the commies…the fundies or the moderates, and you opted for the fundies. I'll give you some examples here:

            1) The British supported Abd-al-Wahab, the violent, intolerant founder of Wahabism, against the far more tolerant (if incompetent) Ottoman Turks. The Ottomans ultimately fell. Wahabism triumphed again and again as a result.

          • aspacia

            Yet, you call Jasser nonMuslim while he argues for Muslim tolerance and against Sharia Law.

            Again, your faith dictates you to be intolerant. Yes, I have read your book, the hadiths, and what Muslim religious leaders say about infidels like me and my brethren.

            A Deist.

          • ahmadnb

            Excuse me, but WHERE in the hell did I call Jasser a non-Muslim??? If I ever said it, it was in error and I stand corrected. I have an enormous level of respect for Jasser. He served his country in its military (the US military) with honor, unlike that fool at Ft. Hood whom I would gladly execute with my own hands for his crimes against his fellow soldiers and their respective families.

            Prove to me NOW that you're not a liar by pointing out a post where I called Jasser a non-Muslim.

          • aspacia

            You are correct; I misread your claim:
            "Now, how many sects of Islam and how many schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach and advocate the so-called moderate and reformist version of Islam put forth by fake Muhammadans like Dr. Zudhi Jasser, the lesbian Irshad Manji, and Raheel Raza? The answer is exactly zero, as their only following consist of a few clueless kafir infidels like the writer of this article."
            The Bosnian Muslim school of law that developed after Bosnia was ceded to Austria-Hungary. And Dr. Zudhi Jasser, a fake Muslim? That makes you a fake "scholar" of Islam, 'cos then I must be a fake Muslim, too…

          • ahmadnb

            Thank you.

          • ahmadnb

            2) The British initially supported Sharif Hussein and the Hashemite clan of Mecca, then switched sides to support al-Saud, who then subsequently drove out the Hashemites to present-day Jordan, which is far more moderate than Saudi Arabia which al-Saud founded. Today, Jordan refuses to fund terrorists. What can you say about Saudi Arabia?

          • aspacia

            Jordan has numerous problems with intolerance and does practice Sharia Law. One cannot sell their land to a Jew on pain of death.

          • ahmadnb

            Jordan has its problems with honor-killings, lack of tolerance towards Jews, persistent poverty, lack of freedoms, etc. but is certainly a much more open society than Saudi Arabia. At least they don't support a worldwide "Jihad" against non-Muslims…they have a sizeable (and native-born) Christian population in their midst.

          • aspacia

            When Jordan controlled Jerusalem and the West Bank they expelled all the Jews. Why didn't the Arabs call for a Palestinian state under Jordanian rule? Because Muslims cannot tolerate being ruled by Jewish Law.

            You and your brethren are the intolerant ones.

          • ahmadnb

            Which is why they deserved to lose Jerusalem and the West Bank to Israel in 1967. Jordan's biggest mistake was to go to war against Israel even after Israel asked not to.

            This was not the way Caliph Omar, Ali and the rest of the Caliphs ruled Jerusalem, up until Al-Hakim, the lunatic Fatimid ruler of Egypt. It was Al-Hakim who began wholesale persecution of non-Muslims in Palestine, which then ultimately led to the Crusades. Recall that it was Muhammad who, during his Farwell Pilgrimmage, exhorted the masses of Muslims who listened, "Do not oppress, and do not be oppressed". Many Muslims seem to have fogotten this or bypass it knowingly.

            No fast forward to today" In spite of Jordan's lousy track record with regard to Jews, its government also maintained secret channels of communication with the Israelis, both before and after 1967. To the Jordanians, Syria was a greater threat to regional peace than Israel and wanted to work things with Israel out to edge out Syria.

            Fast forward today, Jordan renounced claims to the West Bank in 1987 and then developed full diplomatic relations with Israel a few years afterwards.

          • aspacia

            Mohammed was full of mixed messages regarding tolerance, intolerance, misogyny and violence.

            My concern stems from the fact that most terrorist attacks are done in the name of Islam, and is supported with direct Qu'ranic quotes.

          • ahmadnb

            I could go on and on. People who lump the Islamic fundies and those Muslims who have been victims of the fundies, thanks to the likes of ignorant Western power-brokers, have no credibility with me. Our salvation is in God's Hands. In the meantime, it's up to people like me to clean up the messes that guys like you left behind. And we don't need your helpin doing so…we don't trust you 'cos you know so little about us…in many ways, you are WILLFULLY ignorant due to pre-existing biases. Go on and live with your biases, if that's what makes you happy. Today NATO troops are fighting and dying in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere. I salute them for their efforts. I don't salute you.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            The Bosnian Muslim school of law that developed after Bosnia was ceded to Austria-Hungary.

            You are utterly absurd and hilarious to the extreme. A Bosnian school of Islamic jurisprudence….don’t make me laugh. If you weren’t an intentionally deceptive Muhammadan and really a gullible kafir, I would sell you a bridge.

            And Dr. Zudhi Jasser, a fake Muslim?

            In your eyes and the eyes of the world’s devout Muhammadans, Jasser, Irshad, and Raza are all apostates that should be executed. Indeed, today if they lived in an Islamic country as opposed to the USA, they would already all be dead. In fact, the extent of their following for their reform movements in the Islamic world is zilch. However, the extent of their following in the non-Islamic world is full of naïve and gullible useful idiot kafir infidels, but also at the same time conspicuously absent of any devout Muhammadans like you. Indeed, it is only gullible and dumb kafir infidels that are stupid enough to believe their tripe.

            The fact of the matter is Islam can’t be reformed because Islam is not even a religion since it is a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world into totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal. In fact, Islam is far closer to Communism than it is to any religion, as just like Communism, Islam also seeks to dominate the world. Hence, just like it was impossible to reform Communism, it is also impossible to reform Islam. Indeed, it is only those people who are gullible enough to equate Islam with being a religion that are gullible enough to believe that maybe Islam can be reformed just in the nick of time to save the world.

            That makes you a fake "scholar" of Islam, 'cos then I must be a fake Muslim, too…

            Nah…it makes you a deceitful taqiyya practicing Muhammadan like all devout Muhammadans.

          • ahmadnb

            "Nah…it makes you a deceitful taqiyya practicing Muhammadan like all devout Muhammadans."
            Now what would I gain with Taqiyyah in an Internet forum? Your post: "Islam is evil." My answer: "No, it isn't." Your consequent reply: "Oh, OK then. I was wrong."

            It is pointless to engage in Taqiyyah in an Internet forum. I don't expect to change the minds of fools by being an "exception" to the rule, which I KNOW I am. I am not afraid to seek the truth. Not everyone that I have conversed with here is a fool…and I wonder if I should even lower myself to the level of someone like you, as it is obviously pointless, anyway. It's a waste of my valuable time. You'll never see the error in your ways, even if it struck you upside the head. You're like a liberal commie who keeps on trying the same old socialist BS economics over and over again, hoping, just hoping that they would work the next time around. And if I were to look up Albert Einstein's definition of insanity, you fit right there.

          • ahmadnb

            "In your eyes and the eyes of the world’s devout Muhammadans, Jasser, Irshad, and Raza are all apostates that should be executed."
            You're really full of it.

            You're absolutely hillarious. You actually know ideas hidden deep inside my head, ideas that even I'm not aware of. The fundies would come after me before they come after you. I can take apart their entire premise for Jihad. You can't, which is why they would let you live and continue to spew your lies. In other words, you are on the same page as they are. You are among the useful idiots that they seek, along with left-wing apologists who know nothing about Islam, either.

            Please step out of the way and let the grown-ups deal with this problem.

          • ahmadnb

            "Outlaw Islam"? And how do you intend to do this? You sound as delusional as Hitler…my advice to you is to kill everyone like myself first. Otherwise you'll never get what you want here.

            Make my day, boy!

          • ObamaYoMoma

            "Outlaw Islam"? And how do you intend to do this? You sound as delusional as Hitler…my advice to you is to kill everyone like myself first. Otherwise you'll never get what you want here.

            Maybe it all sounds far-fetched and delusional to some gullible and ignorant useful idiot kafir infidels, but you eventually outlaw Islam by exposing to the world over time what it really is. Indeed, any decent attorney who is steeped in Islam can easily prove in a court of law that Islam isn’t a religion but instead a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world into a harsh system of totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal.

            For instance, look inside every Muhammadan country in the world and tell us what you see. Do you see pluralism, multiculturalism, and freedom? No, you only see harsh and repressive totalitarianism everywhere you look. Islam is only about Muhammadans over non-Muhammadans and males over females.

            Indeed, wherever mass Muhammadan immigration has occurred in the West, without a single exception the majority of Muhammadan immigrants have refused to assimilate and integrate and instead formed Muhammadan no-go zones ruled by Sharia as parallel societies within societies and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside. Are we supposed to remain gullible enough forever to believe that this is all some sort of strange coincidence? The reality is Muhammadans don’t immigrate to the West to assimilate and integrate but instead to eventually subjugate and dominate. In fact, Muhammadans are forbidden from living in non-Muhammadan lands unless it is for the spread of Islam, and all of this, by the way, can also all be easily proven in a court of law.

            Of course, to a deceptive Muhammadan pretending to be a complete ignoramus like you this all seems completely fantastic, but that is due to your pretense and deception as the reality is you are mortified by my frank and blunt outspokenness. In any event, if I won’t ever get what I want, then it means Islamic totalitarianism wins and freedom loses, and the world will inevitably revert back to the Dark Ages.

            Anyway, at this point in time almost 10 years after 9/11, it is extremely rare to run into someone still pretending to be as completely ignorant of Islam as you are today, which makes your deception more than a little obvious. Hence, ostensibly you are resorting to vilifying and demonizing me in an obvious effort to marginalize what I have to say, not because you are ignorant that everything I say is completely truthful, but because you fear people will learn the truth from what I have to say. Indeed, it is getting harder and harder everyday for you taqiyya practicing Muhammadans to continue to maintain the charade.

            In any event, if you can prove any single thing that I’ve ever said about Islam is not true and thus constitutes illegitimate criticism, I will refute what I said and admit to my bigotry. Nevertheless, please excuse me if I won’t hold my breath!

          • ahmadnb

            I agree that many Muslims living in Western countries refuse to assimilate. In my view, they are a bunch of hypocrites who want it both ways. They are in total violation of Muhammad's own example…if living in the West is so bad, they should go somewhere else where they would be free to do what they want.

            I don't need to prove anything. The proof of bigotry, hatred and ignorance of Islam is glaringly evident in your own posts. Yet you think you're thoooo thmart. I know my religion. And I'm not ashamed of it. I have nothing to hide here. What about you? You sound like Dan Rather or Keith Olbermann when they claim to be "politically neutral" when it is soooo evident what side of the political aisle they root for at every turn.

          • aspacia

            Stating an individual's claims are rubbish does not make the fallacious. Attack the claim, not the person. BTW, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one.

            Use valid support for your opinions to gain credibility; as of this moment you have none.

    • aspacia

      The Crusaders were a violent, totalitarian part of the Catholic Church. The church did dictate Christian behavior for a thousand+ years, and executed heretics in horrific ways. Would you argue that Catholicism was not a religion?

      You continual rants against Islam usually are quite boring. I tend to fear most religions, especially Islam because it is the Muslims who are committing most terrorist attacks. However, your rage appears to have warped your reason and often leads you to to fallacious, illogical claims.

      Atheism, Islam, Scientology, Satanism, Hinduism, et. al are all defined are religion, and to deny this is to deny obvious facts.

      • ahmadnb

        Right on…

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Actually you couldn’t be more wrong. The Crusades were a long delayed response to Muhammadan conquest in which more than half of Christendom had been conquered, captured, killed, or otherwise rendered into harsh and degrading dhimmitude, and made a part of the Muhammadan Empire, including all of the Holy sites in the previous 500 years. Hence, after centuries of unanswered pleas for help made by Christians that had been rendered into harsh and degrading Dhimmitude had fallen on deaf ears, the Roman Catholic Church after many centuries of internal schisms and fractures finally decided to react for the liberation of its holy sites that had been captured by the Muhammadan Empire.

        The fact that the fighting was very barbaric and brutal was a product of the times and the fact is that the Muhammadans were then and are still now the most barbaric fighters in the world. Hence, given the times that the Crusades took place and given the barbarity and brutality of their adversaries, the Crusaders had no other choice but to match the barbarity and brutality of their adversaries or otherwise face certain annihilation.

        The fact that many Jews got caught in the crossfire is also a product of the times, as the Jews were savaged and persecuted by both sides of the fighting. Nevertheless, the myth of Muhammadan Spain being an enlightened multicultural paradise where Jews, Christians, and Muhammadans all equally flourished during its occupation by Islam is utterly absurd. As bad as both Christendom and Islam persecuted Jews, when it came to persecution nothing surpassed the Muhammadans in their level of barbarity and cruelty.

        The problem is leftwing and secular historians have for decades been deliberately blowing way out of proportion and presenting intentionally out of context everything negative about the Roman Catholic Church while minimizing everything negative about Islam for decades in a concerted effort to destroy and wipe out Christianity, which, by the way, has been successful beyond belief, as Christianity has been nearly stamped out completely from the European continent. However, it has led to the demographic collapse of Europe and the impending demographic conquest of Europe by Islam at the same time. Nevertheless, it is very easy to see and sad to say that you have also fallen victim of those same Leftist and secular historians that have monopolized the field of history for decades.

        By the way, with respect to Islam and what it is, you don’t have the first clue because you obviously haven’t taken the time to study it in depth like I have. Hence, if I were half as ignorant of history and Islam as you are, I too would find it quite boring.

        • aspacia

          Islam is defined as a religion regardless of what you claim. Also, the Christians were at each other's throats for a very long time, and horribly executed those deemed heretical.

          You response support my claim regarding your rants. Stay focused – the claim is Islam is defined as a faith. this is a simple fact.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Islam is defined as a religion regardless of what you claim.

            Only people that don’t know and understand what it is define Islam as a religion. Nonetheless, for people who have actually taken the time to study Islam unlike you, Islam is a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world into totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal, and it is this holy obligation incumbent upon all Muhammadans that is the root cause of all the conflicts in the world where Islam is involved. Hence, because you haven’t taken the time to study Islam and learn what it really is, you are a gullible ignoramus that assumes Islam is a religion, which leads you also to making all sorts of unhinged and idiotic assumptions.

            Also, the Christians were at each other's throats for a very long time, and horribly executed those deemed heretical.

            I’m not going to argue that Christianity wasn’t dogmatic during the Dark Ages, but nonetheless it wasn’t nearly as dogmatic as you were intentionally misled to believe, since you were taught history completely out of context to reality by leftwing secular historians, which have been dominating the field of history for decades.

          • aspacia

            Merriam Webster's Definition:

            Is·lam
            noun
            \is-ˈläm, iz-, -ˈlam, ˈis-ˌ, ˈiz-ˌ\
            Definition of ISLAM
            1
            : the religious faith of Muslims including belief in Allah as the sole deity and in Muhammad as his prophet
            2
            a : the civilization erected upon Islamic faith b : the group of modern nations in which Islam is the dominant religion
            — Is·lam·ic adjective
            — Is·lam·ics noun plural but singular or plural in construction
            See Islam defined for English-language learners »
            Origin of ISLAM

    • Seek

      Islam most certainly is a religion. It is a religion with stronger justifications for violence than Christianity, Judaism and others, but it is still a religion. Those who argue the "Islam-isn't-a-religion" line, deep down, can't stand anything negative connected with religion in general, lest it reflect badly on their own.

      Believe it — Judaism and Christianity have their own longstanding, all-encompassing ritualized ways of life. They are less virulent than the Muslim variety, but I don't feel like giving them a free pass either. Support your local freethinker.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Actually, I’m agnostic and the reality is you are also very wrong. Study the origins of Islam. While Islam may have initially started out as being a religion prior to the Hijra and shortly thereafter, and also I may add a very failed religion that in all those years had only manage to attract a mere 150 followers, mainly the dregs and outcasts of society, it wasn’t until after Muhammad had morphed Islam into something else altogether different from religion that Islam finally took off and became very successful.

        You see after the Hijra Muhammad turned to jihad, politics, and eventually to conquest and it was this miraculous transformation of Islam from the realm of religion to the realms of jihad, politics, and conquest that enabled Islam only a mere 100 years after the death of Muhammad to have already conquered most of the known world. Had Islam remained a religion like it was before the Hijra and shortly thereafter, Islam would have died out in the desert with the death of Muhammadan and no one would have ever heard of Islam and Muhammad.

        In addition, the doctrine of abrogation holds that when verses of the Koran come into conflict with each other, the latter issued verses abrogate, i.e. supersede and replace, the earlier issued verses. Hence, all the peaceful verses of the Koran, the same ones Muhammadans like to cite to deceive gullible kafir infidels like you and also the same ones that originate from the time when Islam was still a religion, have been abrogated by the latter issued verses of the Koran that originate after the Hijra and from the time when Islam had been morphed into what it is today, which is a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world into totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal.

        Hence, not only was Islam morphed into something altogether different from religion subsequent to the Hijra, but also all the earlier peaceful verses of the Koran that originate from the time when Islam was a religion have also been abrogated entirely, i.e. superseded and replaced, by the latter issued verses of the Koran that originate from after the time that Islam had been morphed into a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology per the doctrine of abrogation, and in case you are wondering, the doctrine of abrogation is taught and advocated by every sect within Islam and by all major schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

        Furthermore, name a faith based religion that punishes under the pain of death any adherents and also any people that aren’t adherents for speaking out or questioning the texts and tenets of Islam. In addition, while you are at it also name another faith-based religion that punished all apostates under the pain of death the same way that only Islam only does. The reality is you can’t because the reality is Islam is not a faith-based religion like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

        Moreover, look inside all Muhammadan countries with sufficient populations and look what you see. You see only totalitarianism, as Sharia is intrinsic to Islam, and as a direct result of Sharia all females and non-Muhammadans living in Muhammadan countries are systematically persecuted and often violently oppressed. Draconian punishments such as floggings, torture, stonings, amputations, and beheadings are also incorporated, while the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, and the freedom of conscience are all severely restricted. Plus, on top of it all, Sharia also mandates that Muhammadans wage jihad against unbelievers for the spread of Islam. Thus, again I challenge you to please name another faith-based religion that is remotely similar to Islam and again, of course, you can’t.

        Finally, the reason you can’t is because Islam isn’t a faith-based religion at all but instead a radical totalitarian ideology that is much more similar to Communism, Fascism, and Nazism, and just like Communism before, Islam also seeks to dominate and subjugate the world into a harsh form of totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal.

        Hence, you can continue to deceive yourself or you can come to earnestly realize what Islam really is, which is a militant theo-political ideology and as such it should be treated the same way we treated Communism, in that we didn’t let millions of Communists immigrate and infiltrate our country because that would have been suicidal. Hence, when we let millions of Muhammadans immigrate and infiltrate our country today, it is also likewise suicidal.

        Support your local freethinker.

        Believe me you aren’t a freethinker; you are a victim of your own absurd indoctrination.

  • steven L

    Will the billions of $ spend for disinformation by the petro $ countries of the ME turn the mind of the Americans people against the Jews and for the Muslims?
    Time will tell.

  • steven L

    Sharia is nothing else but a Trojan horse.

    • ahmadnb

      I do not consider the Sharia Law Code to be in line with the letter or the spirit of Islam. To me, the US Constitution is a lot closer to being "Islamic" than Sharia.

  • InsertNameHere

    I am anti muslim. I dont care if you call my bigot, or racist. I stand firm. I dont trust muslims, and with good reason. Why do they care so much what others do? Why cant they just live their own lives and let others live theirs? If they believe their god is so powerful, why do they feel the need to convert others or kill them. I believe in the Christian God. I believe in Jesus. I have NO need to threaten others to convert or die. The God I believe in is powerful enough to do whatever He wishes to do. Islam is the religion of Satan. Its false. Only the blind will follow islam…they will follow it to Hell.

    • ahmadnb

      You're delusional. I don't see you as a good or knowledgable Christian. I know good Christians, and you're not one of them. It is perhaps YOU who will end up in hell. Don't believe me? Read the Bible…ALL of it.

    • aspacia

      The Qu'ran dictates to force nonbelievers to convert, pay the jitza or be executed. This is the problem.

      • ahmadnb

        Have you even read the Qur'an? I have…multiple times. Have you studied Islamic history from muliple sources? I have. Point out to me where in the Qur'an Muslims are dictated to force nonbelievers to convert, pay the jitza or be executed.

  • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

    Islam is a Terrorist Organization! Check the "Ban Islam" petition : http://www.petitiononline.com/MYSTIC/petition.htm

    Furthermore, the Death Penalty must be activated against all Jihadists, Planners and Financiers. Guarantee them an Impure death per their creed, through pigs blood added to thieir cell air vents, plus an impure burial.
    Place a Poll Tax on all Muslim believers, following Mohammeds despicable belief.
    Close Mosque that foster any activity against our Democratic Societies.
    THE FLAME OF FREEDOM SPEAKS!

    • ahmadnb

      Just 1252 signatures. Over 3 billion more to go before a majority is reached. HAHAHA!!!

      • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

        For your arrogant comment, there is a Final Judgement invocation that will be done at your bedside, by the Warriors of the Light aligned to Arch Angel Michael, who originally declared War against Lucifer in the Heavens. The War is presently here, against your Paedphile Leader.

        There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your Philosophy.

        • ahmadnb

          You won't know the meaning of the word "arrogant" even if it struck you upside the head. Read about it for yourself in the Bible…and be sure to read ALL of it, not just the passages that fit into your narrow, warped worldview. But I don't know if that pea-sized brain of yours would be able to take it all…you remind me of Peter Griffin of "Family Guy". Only funnier…

        • ahmadnb

          Truth hurts…take some ibuprofen, please.

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            Stick to your Peadophile Leader. you are sick.

          • ahmadnb

            One of us is really sick in the head…and I feel fine. That leaves us with….oops.

            From a guy who can't spell "pedophile" (or "paedophile" as the British spell the word) your posts speak volumes about you.

            Now let me educate you, boy. Muhammad was never accused of "pedophillia" when he married Aisha, not even by his enemies at the time. D'you know why? How about…that was standard everyday practice, not just among the Arabs, Muslim and pagan alike, but even among the Jews back then? I know of a Jewish guy here, who's sort of a friend of mine (I say "sort of" because he had a beef with me supporting Republicans while he was a diehard liberal Democrat)…anyway, when he was 21, he was dating a 13-year old Jewish girl. And get this…the girl's mother was OK with it.

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            Hang on to your delusions, and keep working for your imaginary whorehouse in the sky.
            Don't go for a Brains scan, they'll never release you.

          • ahmadnb

            You can't tell between reality and delusions. It's obvious to me that you're either high or insane or both.

            The fact is, you can't refute a single point that I make here. Which is why you dismiss them as delusions.

            As far as brain scans go, I never needed one. Maybe you better have one yourself…it is obvious to me that you need help.

          • ahmadnb

            There's more…would you call Jerry Lewis a "pedophile"? How about Elvis Presley? He was engaged to Priscilla when she was only 14. This sort of thing was prevalent in Western societies up until relatively recently. So if Muhsmmad was a "paedophile" or "pedophile", then by definition, so were ALL of your forefathers.

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            None of the above were founders of a sick Ideology like Islam, which you idiots worship as the most Noble of all Men.

          • ahmadnb

            You've just made my point for me. We Muslims don't worship Muhammad, which is what you believe we do. He was just an ordinary man during his time who had extraordinary qualities. Unlike your pedophile ancestors who rarely bathed and lived in shacks along a river…

  • dawning

    Islam is sharia law. Sharia law is hell on earth. Therefore ISLAM IS HELL ON EARTH

    • ahmadnb

      Islam is not Sharia law. You know nothing.

    • ahmadnb

      "Therefore ISLAM IS HELL ON EARTH"

      Tell that to Jews and heterodoxical Christians who fled "Christian" Europe for Muslim lands during the medevial period and then refused to go back to Europe, and even invited their co-religionists in Europe to flee to Muslim lands. If Islam is "hell on earth", then hell must be a really nice place compared to the "Paradise" of medevial Christian Europe.

      • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

        Tell that to the Jewes today, Idiot.

        • ahmadnb

          Listen, boy, what's happening today is vastly different from what happened up until 100 years ago. In fact, Jews in Israel know exactly what I'm talking about…they're smart people, unlike people like yourself who THINK they're thoooo thmart…

  • Homer

    "He was an advocate of U.S. military intervention in the former Yugoslavia on the side of Muslims, has taken Pakistan’s side over India’s in their fight over Kashmir, …"

    I would never trust such an idiot, even if he is doing the right thing now.

  • http://www.mysapce.com/freddawes1776/ Fred Dawes

    someday any who talk out against Islam will be removed, if you know what i mean? the system is using us all for mass murder reasons.

    • aspacia

      Explain?

      The PC crowd will ban free speech? Or, Islam will dominate?

    • ahmadnb

      Not when I'm around. I strongly believe, as a Muslim, that the marketplace of ideas should be kept wide open. It's how the truth comes out. Besides, I find anti-Muslim talk to be quite amusing. I get comic relief from those who bash Islam and Muhammad with the scant knowledge that they have on either, and yet think they're geniuses simpy because they read one or more of Robert Spencer's books or know one or two bad apples. Can you imagine how boring the world would be if criticism of ANYTHING was to be shut down?

      • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

        Islam is not wide open to other ideas, quit the Takya exercise, we all see through you.
        Your lies will soon catch up to you. The Warriors of the Light have you in their —–.

        • ahmadnb

          Islam has been open to ideas in the past. That's how it became a great civilization. It declined once it closed its doors to other ideas.

          Your understanding of Taqiyya is warped. A fair exchange of ideas requires honesty; in warfare, deception ought to be practised, and has been, even by Western powers. Would the allies of WWII have been so foolish to let Hitler know that they were going to invade Europe through Normandy instead of Spain as they had misled the Germans into believeing, do you think the Germans would have lost as fast as they did? It's you who are lying to yourself, but I doubt you are aware of it as you do not possess the intelligence, maturity, knowledge or wit to be.

          You and your so-called "Warriors of the Light" have me in their sights. Sure…bring it on. And I will crush each and every one of them, God Willing, with what He has blessed me with…truth and knowledge. I am not afraid. How about you?

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            The fact is Islam is dedicated to War against all other infidels Democracyies, therefore you are working as a 5 th columnist undermining our societies through Takiya for your Bordelo in the sky.
            Keep bumping your head.

          • ahmadnb

            Please use a spell-checker; it is obvious to me and to many others that English is either not your 1st language or that you're an uneducated boor like Elena Ceausescu.

            You're right about Islam. I saw a bunch of Qur'ans goose-stepping up and down my street the other day. There goes my neighborhood…

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            From Khomeini's Book "Tahrir-ol-Masael".
            Mohammeds words:
            A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breast fed. A man is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual actact such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four wives. He also is not permitted to mary the girl's sister.

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            Here is an aspect of your Demonic Leader and Ideology.
            Defending it makes you equally Demonic in activity.

            I can send you many points from Hadiths, Koran and Sunnahs, but it will only activate your Takiya, the Lying for Islam.
            Personally when a Muslim says Hello I don't believe him, PERIOD.

      • hardroad1999

        Are you saying islam is fair game when it comes to criticism? Or criticism of anything EXCEPT islam? In places where islam dominates (ie saudi arabia, pakistan, etc), criticism of islam is blasphemy and you become an apostate punishable by death. Is this not so?

        • ahmadnb

          Criticism of Islam MUST be allowed. To me, Islam came from God. It's man's understanding of Islam that is flawed, no matter what the religious background of an individual may be. And the only way for the truth to come out is through criticism and in-depth examination of everything.

          I am not afraid of people criticizing Islam. I find most criticism of Islam funny, shallow, deluded, amateurish or based on misinformation, subjective thinking and second- and third-hand sources. It provides me with comic relief and speaks volumes about the critique and his/her background than of Islam itself. My faith in God and my cofidence in my beliefs as a Muslim are solid and cannot be shaken that easily. I have had to endure years of criticism, research and self-examination to get to this point.

          As for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, I do not recognize either of their governments to be following truly Islamic principles. The Taliban are even further off the mark. In my view, the US Constitution is more in line with Islamic beliefs and principles than any of the above-mentioned "Muslim" governments.

          • hardroad1999

            You say "MUST be allowed", but it isn't allowed. Even a novice level understanding of islam and how it is practiced in the arab countries shows this. You as a muslim would not be allowed to criticize the immutable word of god in an arab land. You know the penalties.

            Going out on a limb here. You are a first generation convert born here in the US to a non-muslim family because otherwise you would not dare criticize other muslims, the koran, mohammed or allah and you would accept sharia (god-made), not the Constitution (man-made), as the basis for law and governance.

            Which brings me to the islamic tradition of taqiyya (sp) which means us non-muslims cannot trust nor believe anything at all that a muslim says.
            It is not our fault for this distrust but the fault of islam for it is its own practice of lying to infidels.

            And you are also aware of abrogation, where the earlier more peaceful chapters of the koran have been rendered obsolete, null and void by the later more violent chapters.

            All in all I don't know where you are coming from as you are more of an apostate than a muslim.

            These are my observations.

          • ahmadnb

            You only think you know what you have stated here. I have nothing more to say to you. 'bye…

  • Jim

    In the ordinary American mind being smeared by low grade terrorists who concentrate on murdering innocent women and children has the same effect as being barked at by a very ugly dog.

    Those American leaders of high position who do not soundly criticize the extremist occupy the same status as the terrorists.

    Against them we must protest the most as they have the real power and still side with evil.

    • ahmadnb

      People like myself have been fighting against Muslim extremists long before the West realized that they're no friends to anybody. We fought against them when the West armed them to the teeth, thinking that they would provide a bulwark against communism. I disagreed vehemently with Rush Limbaugh when he claimed once on his TV show that we needed to keep Saddam in power as a bulwark against Iran. I felt that the main crime committed by the US Govt. at the end of the Gulf War (1991) was to leave Saddam Hussein in power, and then to urge the Kurds and the Shiites to revolt in Iraq and then not give them cover after promising them cover. It would have been as ludicrous as leaving Hitler in power in Germany after expelling German troops from the lands that he had occupied.

      The commies were bad. The Islamic fundies are worse.

      If you have a rat infestation in your house, would you let loose a bunch of cobras to deal with the rats? That's exactly what the West has done with commies and Islamic fundies since the end of WWI.

      • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

        Mohammed does not allow any Muslim to stand against the future Caliphate. all must be involved in some form ofJihad to destroy our societies.
        What are you a liar or not a Muslim?

        • hardroad1999

          Good point.

        • ahmadnb

          What future Caliphate? Are you high or what? The days of the Caliphate were over more than 1000 years ago. I don't see another one coming anytime soon. The first four Caliphs were just rulers and God-fearing men who were not worldly in their quest for power and self-aggrandizement, unlike the rulers who came afterward. The world has changed a lot since then.

          "What are you a liar or not a Muslim?"
          Would it please you to know that I am an honest Muslim? You laugh, of course. Keep on laughing, wiseguy…if you don't like my answers, then don't ask retarded questions like the one above.

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            I recall that the third Caliphe was assassinated, and his body was left at the base of the fortress for three days, for dogs to chew on.
            The four Caliphes werr just men and none died of natural causes. Study your own history stupid.

          • ahmadnb

            Where do you get your history from? Visions of Jim Morrison?

            Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, died of natural causes.

            I know my history better than you know yours or mine. So who's the real stupid here? You think you're thooo thmart…

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            You've just stated I was right on 3 of 4 Caliphs deaths. Keep on writing.

            Take it easy on pounding your head to the floor, it's already having injurious effects.

        • ahmadnb

          What future Caliphate? The age of the Caliphs has been over for 1000 years. It is not possible to revive the caliphate under current conditions, and so I don't see one coming up anytime soon.

          I am not a liar, and I am a Muslim. Are you high or just ignorant?

          • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

            So you can change Mohammeds edicts? SICK.

          • ahmadnb

            List me his edicts and I will tell you which ones are genuinely his edicts and which ones aren't.

  • Diane

    WE need a party moving against muslims like the tea party did against tax,obammer etc
    .
    Calling it a religion is the first word change since this administration loves to change verbage…Muslims do not deserve all the assistance they get in the name of religion..we have been supporting these barbarians and it is for as Obama Yo mama said:

    militant theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks to subjugate the world
    with Sharia as starters…

    • ahmadnb

      Sure…bring it on. Islam wasn't born yesterday, and may end up outliving you. And we're not getting assistance from anyone here.

      I agree that you've been supporting barbarians among Muslims. And those of us who are civilized Muslims have been warning you about them for DECADES to no avail. And now suddenly you lump us both in the same camp.

      You're WAY off the mark and will fail miserably in your endeavors, God Willing.

    • ahmadnb

      It will be up to people like myself to save your sorry butts from Islamic fundies because people like yourself do not possess the brains nor the guts required to beat them.

      • inkwisitiv

        Hi Ahmadnb. Before I start, I am a self confessed ignoramus when it comes to Isalm, and I am not trying to denigrate, or otherwise attack, you.

        I think I can hear a theme in your arguments that is trying to project that you live by the tenets of Islam, minus the violence; is that correct?

        If the above is true, and notwithstanding any bigotry you might face, is it possible to live a fully assimilated life in a non-muslim country?

        Please treat these questions as genuine.

        • Nabil

          To inkwisitiv:

          These are good questions that you have asked. I will answer them to the best of my knowledge. From the tone of your email, you sound respectful and respectable, and I will be the same way with you.

          I believe, as a Muslim, that the only time real, physical violence is mandated for Muslims is during:

          1) The meting out of corporal or capital punishment after a legally binding free and fair trial of a criminal has been concluded and such a punishment is rightfully called for in direct proporton to the nature of the crime for which he/she has been found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt,
          2) Defending oneself or one’s family/friends/loved ones from harm by people who actively seek to do harm (as in attempting to prevent a robbery, murder, rape, etc.)
          3) When one’s government has declared war on another country under legitimate grounds (unprovoked attack, defense of territory, ferreting out of terrorists, etc.)

          Under these circumstances, I have not violated any of Islam’s tenets by living peacefully in the USA over the last 20+ years. As a Muslim, I am required to obey the laws of the land that I have chosen to live in. If I feel that America prevents me from becoming a better Muslim or violates my freedom to practise my faith, then it would be a sin for me to remain here and it would be my duty to leave the USA first before taking up arms against it.

        • Nabil

          There’s more.

          I consider all Muslims who live in Western lands by choice and then refuse to assimilate in any way to a bunch of pure hypocrites. They are in complete violation of the example set by Muhammad himself. I’m not here as a missionary or a warrior. In my view, Islam was meant to provide harmony among mankind. I found it here in the USA, which means to me that the USA is in line with such principles. Most Muslim countries, sadly, are not, mostly out of ignorance.

  • aspacia

    Almost all current terrorist attacks are done in the name of Islam, Muslim's implements Islamic supremism in the Middle-East. and horribly discriminates or murders members of minority religions and women.

    Maimonides was great because the the morality of Judaism, not because of anything Islamic. He left your so call tolerant lands because of the persecution he suffered at Muslim hands, not Christian hands. He is very clear about this.

    Spencer is far more educated than you, and is a scholar regarding Islam and Sharia Law. You cannot refute him, do date no one has, you only use invalid ad hominem attacks against him. Invalidate Spencer's claims to gain credibility. Again, at present you have none, only excuses for your violent brethren.

    • ahmadnb

      Like Spencer, you pick and chose your "facts" and disregard the rest.

      Maimonides fled Spain after it was overrun by the Almohads. Guess where he went? Not to Europe, but to…OTHER Muslim lands. First to Morocco, then to Egypt/Palestine where he remained until he died. So answer me now: WHY didn't he go to Christian Europe???

      I know Spencer's work. I've read his stuff. He cherry-picks his sources, discards/ignores sources that could refute his "arguments" and fills in "missing" gaps in his sources with his own accounts, as he was there when it all happened. I am not able to list out everything…it would be a lot to write. Spencer's field was early Christian history, NOT Islamic studies. You're the type of person who would take Alfred Kinsey for his word in his books on human sexuality, in spite of the fact that his field was zoology.

      • aspacia

        Maimonides knew he would be horribly prosecuted or murdered in the Christian world of his time. This is a well-known fact. Regardless, he was still persecuted under Islamic Law.

        As to the second part of your post, you have not refuted one of Spencer's claims, which tells me you cannot; all you can do is continue being a Muslim apologist.

        Look, I am not a mathematician or scientist, but can claim that 12 X12 = 144 and that the earth circles the sun. These are simple fact beyond refute regardless of my English, history, philosophy and political science background

        • ahmadnb

          Give me a list of Specter's claims and I will either acknowledge them or refute them, one by one.

          • aspacia

            Jihad is a call to violent struggle against non-Muslims.

            Take not the people of the Book as your friends.

            Practice deceit when you are weak.

            These a just a few, and they are paraphrased. You know these statements are from your book.

          • ahmadnb

            "Jihad is a call to violent struggle against non-Muslims. "
            Muhammad said, after one of his LATER campaigns, "We come home from a lesser Jihad to a greater Jihad, the struggle for one's own soul". Also, the Qur'an urges Muslims to fight the "unbeliever", but then also says that when the enemy sues for peace, then Muslims must lay down their arms. And if an "unbeliever" seeks refuge with a Muslim, even if he is an enemy combatant, he must be given shelter, have the Qur'an recited to him, then conveyed to a place of safety, even if he did not accept the Qur'an. The Qur'an also says that Muslims must never be the first to initiate hostilities.

          • aspacia

            It also call for the submission for non-Muslims or death.

            Muslim must sort their theology out for themselves before all hell breaks loose. Burkas are banned in France. No more minaretes are not being built in certain areas. The West is justly concerned regarding Muslim violence.

            Muslims are not victimized nearly as much as Jews.

          • ahmadnb

            "Take not the people of the Book as your friends. "
            That passage was taken completely out of context; I believe it applied to certain situations in certain times. In other passagesin the Qur'an, marriage between Muslims and People of the Book (Jews and Christians) is permitted, without any requirement to convert, unless I am mistaken. Still, other passages also allow for friendship with those with whom we are not at war and who have not warred against us on account of our faith in God. If the above statement that you have mentioned were to be taken literally, Muslim civilization would have died out very early on. Surely the early Muslims knew something that Robert Spencer doesn't.

            Practice deceit when you are weak.

            These a just a few, and they are paraphrased. You know these statements are from your book.

          • aspacia

            Reread your book. There are many restrictions against a Muslim woman marrying a non-Muslim.

            It allows for friendship when Muslims are weak, and they may practice deception until strong then make their move.

            Again, refute Spencer's claims. He supports them with valid Qu'ranic text and Islamic scholarship.

          • ahmadnb

            "Practice deceit when you are weak. "
            Only when ones' very survival is threatened.

            I'm sorry but this'll have to be my last post here. Have a good life…

        • ahmadnb

          So Maimonides chose his best option: To move to yet another Muslim land where he would be safer.

        • ahmadnb

          He claimed that women at Badr were raped. The oldest accounts that I read about the Battle of Badr contained absolutely no references to females in the Meccan camp…only male soldiers who were taken captive. And Muhammad's orders were to treat them with mercy and to provide them with food and water, and to not bind them. And there were no accounts of exultation on Muhammad's part…all of the Meccan dead were simply buried in a single pit.

  • aspacia

    Refute any of his claims in the following lecture, to gain credibility. As of this moment you have none: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dBunK16dow&fe

    • ahmadnb

      I will need to make time for this.

      • aspacia

        Take your time. As of Monday, I will be back at work and probably will not have the time to post as well.

  • ahmadnb

    Those are not my brothers in Islam. I am a Muslim, Hamas is a bunch of fundies who THINK they are Muslims. And folks like you can't tell the difference 'cos you lack the brains needed to do so.

    I have never supported Hamas. In fact, I wish Israel had finished the job they started against them and against Hezbollah. It's strange and disconcerting to me to see the Israelis wimp out the way they did…a wounded serpent is a deadly serpent.

  • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

    Ma’am,

    To: International citizens
    BAN ISLAM

    TO: THE WORLD COURT

    IN THE INTEREST OF HUMAN VALUES AND UNIVERSAL LOVE, WE DIRECT THIS PETITION TO THE WORLD COURT FOR JUDGEMENT.

    WE, THE UNDERSIGNED INTERNATIONAL PETITIONERS, REQUEST A BAN ON THE ORGANIZATION CALLED ISLAM. WE REQUEST THIS BAN DUE TO THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF ITS FOUNDER, MOHAMMED AND THE KORAN'S DOCTRINES WHICH PRESENTLY LEGITIMIZES THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF PAEDOPHILIA, ASSASSINATIONS, THE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN BY SUPPRESSING THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS, THE PENALTIES OF STONING AND DISMEMBERMENT, THE UTILIZATION OF TERROR AS A WEAPON OF INTIMIDATION AND CONTROL.

    View Current Signatures
    http://www.PetitionOnline.com/MYSTIC/petition.htm

    Sincerely,

    Lorenzo Bouchard
    labouchard@shaw.ca http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/

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