WikiLies’ Propaganda

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WikiLeaks, the website created as a repository for classified information, has just accomplished the largest leak of secret documents in history. The organization alleges that they show U.S. complicity in torture, human rights abuses and deception in the war in Iraq. This release is designed to fan the flames of anti-Americanism around the world, but a careful reading of the files undermines this agenda and exposes the Iranian government’s destructive role in Iraq.

The founder of WikiLeaks, Julian Assange, explains his motivation thus: “I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.” It is clear that in his mind these “bastards” are officials in the U.S. government and military. He has criticized what he views as the militarization of the U.S., speaks at anti-capitalist forums, and said, “We have been attacked by the United States, so we are forced into a position where we must defend ourselves.”

This is just the latest shot fired in his crusade. WikiLeaks previously released a deceptively-edited video allegedly showing a U.S. massacre of civilians in Baghdad called “Collateral Murder.” In July, WikiLeaks released over 90,000 documents related to the war in Afghanistan with the same objective. Now, WikiLeaks has released nearly 400,000 documents about the war in Iraq, containing material that is causing the United Nations and Amnesty International to call on the U.S. to investigate alleged abuses by American and Iraqi forces.

WikiLeaks claims that they censored the documents to make sure no lives were put in danger. After the last release, the Taliban announced that it had put together a nine-man team to scour the documents to find the names of spies for prosecution by their court. The Pentagon warns that 300 Iraqis are named in the released documents that are “particularly vulnerable to reprisal attacks.”

Alleged human rights abuses by U.S. forces, either through direct participation or acquiescence, are generating the most media coverage. However, much of the information is based on single sources without confirmation. One news article in the Guardian is titled, “Iraq War Logs: Apache Helicopters Kill 14 Civilians in Hunt for Insurgents.” If you read further down, you see it isn’t so clear. After a clash with insurgents, a single Iraqi informant says that 14 civilians are dead, but it does not say how he knows they are civilians and not insurgents. An Iraqi colonel, on the other hand, reports that a dozen insurgents are dead. As the Guardian admits, “It is not clear whether both men are referring to one group of dead with differing estimates of whether they were insurgents or civilians, or whether there were separate groups totaling 26.” That uncertainty did not make its way into the headline that many readers will limit their attention to.

The Pentagon is denying that the documents show any crimes being committed by Americans. A spokesman said, “We vetted every single one of the documents, word by word, page by page. There is nothing in here that would indicate war crimes. If there were, we would have investigated it a long time ago.”

The other major “story” is that the U.S. allegedly downplayed the number of civilian casualties. Apparently in anticipation of the WikiLeaks release, the U.S. military released a count of 63,185 Iraqi civilians and 13,754 security personnel killed between 2004 and August 2008, leaving out the first year of the war. WikiLeaks’ own count closely matches that of the U.S. with a count of 66,081 civilians and 15,196 security forces. The Iraq Body Count website, however, says its review of the WikiLeaks files allowed them to identify an additional 15,000 civilian casualties, bringing their estimate up to over 122,000. That’s a serious discrepancy with the U.S. estimate, but this is partly because the government admittedly did not include the entire year of 2003; i.e., not because of deception. Furthermore, there are reasons to be skeptical of the higher numbers.

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  • Steve

    There's actually no need at all for these documents from Wikileaks. There are countless reports on death tolls of civilians in Iraq. Most such deaths, as wikileaks only confirmed, were by Iraqi security forces and sectarian violence. Of course the US hasn't helped by using aerial bombardment (in the form of gunships and guided munitions). Use of ordnance of this nature ALWAYS has significant collateral effects when used in population centers. This is well known.

    So long before wikileaks released these papers, there was never any doubt about that the US is in fact guilty of the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians – how could it be otherwise, this is a war? What did we expect?

    Look, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself one question. Is my way of life worth the death of non-American men, women and children? Maybe thousands of them. The Bush and Obama administration say the answer to question is Yes. And I think if many Americans were forced to answer truthfully they would agree. Hard to call it a Christian nation isn't it?

    • Jack

      Steve said, "Hard to call it a Christian nation isn't it?"

      No, I don't think it's hard to call us a Christian nation. Watch this: America is a Christian nation! See? That wasn't hard at all.

      I've got an intellectual exercise for you Steve. Find an anthill. Now, I want you to declare war on those ants. Go ahead! This'll be fun! Now, it's ok for you to kill the soldier ants, but don't you DARE kill any worker ants. And for God's sake, spare the precious little larvae! How will you go about waging your war Steve. There are millions of them all mixed together.

      • Steve

        Guess you answered the question I posed in my last paragraph.

        • coyote3

          Get's me a little annoyed. An ignorant pendejo like you says stuff, without any support from any credible authority. Then someone asks him a question, and he just sniffs, and say "well…" Answer his question. Boy, he asked you how you were going to wage war on the anthill. No answer it.

    • Torwald

      Every war kills civilians, even if there is no intention to do so. So the real question is, given that fact, can we ever make war, and if so, under what rationale? The war in Afghanistan was directly due to the fact that the Afghans would not give up Osama Bin Laden after planeloads of Americans piloted by Jihadists crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon. The war in Iraq seems to be more elective, but then again, you have Saddam, a very cruel man who used chemical weapons against his own citizens, and had a big torture establishment, and who invaded his neighbors, and who even had a hijacking school with a airplane for practice. Should we have gone in either place? And what about OUR civilians. And what about revenge – and deterrence?

      • anon2

        Try TAPI…….your telling me that 5 CIA/special forces agents couldn't take him out post 9/11?

      • Muchiboy

        "And for God's sake, spare the precious little larvae! "

        Yea,and the SS probably couldn't spare any members to separate innocent Jewish children from the adults as they were herded towards the crematorium.
        Sure,sh*t happens in war,but don't take a soldiers duty to avoid innocent deaths in carrying out his duties lightly,at the expense of the innocent.We have seen many Palestinian children killed at the hands of the IDF,fewer Israeli children at the hands of Palestinian suicide bombers.
        Palestinian or Israeli,they are our precious children,our future,our innocents,and they don't come back from being dead..Muchiboy

        • Spirit_Of_1683

          Yep, Israeli children are precious to you if you get the chance to pour Zyklon crystals onto them. We know that Jew-hating bigoted turd.

        • coyote3

          The only "duty" our soldiers have with respect to civilians, by law, is not to purposely target them, if they are "not" participating in hostilities. Innocence is irrelevant. In fact, one of the paramount reasons for law requiring combatants to be identified, is so that civilians will not be comingled in the fight. However, when combants intentionally fail to distinctly identify themselves, and comingle with civilians, the "international" law does not protect civilians.

    • Rifleman

      Nope, the jihadis hiding among and shooting from among civilians are guilty for the deaths of civilians their tactics cause.

      I also reject the premise of your final question because it's not a question of our lifestyle verses their lives. Suicide isn't Christian, and neither is submission to islam.

  • proxywar

    We're not a christian nation and never were. That's just one big right wing lie.

    • bdouglasaf1980

      Well, you are right in one respect. Under Obama we are certainly no longer a Christian nation.

  • proxywar

    In Article 11, it states:

    "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

  • Lance Winslow

    The United States is the Greatest Nation Ever Created in the History of Mankind. Let's start there, and then discuss how we can make it better and protect it from terrorists and their enablers like Julian "Hussein" Assange! Quite frankly, I do not approve of folks making nasty comments about the USA here today below this article. And I hope the find Julian and put him in prison.

  • Sprinklerman

    Interesting comment from this a$$wipe.
    “We have been attacked by the United States, so we are forced into a position where we must defend ourselves.”
    Does he mean that he is one of or part of a radical muslim group that wishes the destruction of the US? Does he mean that because of his last release that US government officials are attempting to find him and lock him up for placing our soldiers and allies in harms way in Iraq and Afghanistan?
    Either way he's an enemy of the US.

  • crypticguise

    I concur with the opinion of USMCSnipeer. It's unfortunate that Mitch Rapp is on vacation. He deserves to be "terminated" with extreme predudice in short order.

    • guest

      and without a trial. Because that's how we roll in the world's greatest democracy!

      • coyote3

        This is not a democracy, never was.

      • Stephen_Brady

        You're allowed to express your opinion, right? And, unless I am mistaken, you've never leaked classified material to the public.

  • SeaMystic

    Wikileaks was activated from the back door of the White House, to undermine the morale and destroy U.S.A.'s military might.
    Pure Chicago politics, by a traitor in office.


    • guest

      and aliens stole your lunch, right?

      • SeaMystic

        Your either bought or extremely naive.

        • USMCSniper

          And you are of the "Please Mr Muslim Alligator, eat me last!" crowd.

          • SeaMystic

            Check the "Ban Islam" petition on

          • SeaMystic
          • SeaMystic

            I believe that, in warfare against terrorism, we must attack the heart and not just the tentacles of Islam with truth. We must not let this perversion of religion spawn numberless adherents to Mohammed’s words to expand their terrorism. We must confront terrorism head on.

            When combating Evil remember: Appeasement is like feeding a steak to a tiger in the hope that it will eventually become a vegetarian.

            International Ban Islam petition:

            Guardians of Democracy site:

            Unfortunately, Muslims in debate or negotiations are forced to LIE to preserve Islam’s integrity. This noble Islamic activity is called “TAKIYA”.

          • guest

            You're a moron. The concept of the noble lie is a lynch pin of Western culture as well if you want to play that game. It goes back to Plato and was used most recently by neocons (the WMD lie) to bring us into Iraq. A normal person (i know, not in these parts) understands that lying for better or worse is part of all personal and political relationships. But continue on with your fantasies.

          • SeaMystic

            Stick to your video games Sniper/Booba. Obviously with your size two hat you can't understand what you read.

          • coyote3

            In fact, there is some good to come out these illegal disclosures. Preliminarily, it is a lie, if you know it is false. There is no evidence, at least here, that the claim of WMD's was a lie. Indeed, these very disclosures revealed that Iraq possessed WMD, i.e., chemical/biological weapons. Actually the correct term is CBRs. Now, they may not have been in the quantity originally suspected, but that certainly doesn't make them any less lethal.

          • SeaMystic

            Any women in your family you want circumsised, stoned or honour killed. Both you and Obama support the activities of Islam in the U.S..

  • guest

    what a tough guy. Does mommy know you're using her computer again?

    • USMCSniper

      And don't bury the body either, just leave it out in the wilderness. Buzzards gotta eat same as the worms.

      • guest

        who let the clint eastwood wannabe on this site? Buzzards? Really? Too many westerns for you. Are you that creepy guy that always hangs around the coffee shop by himself wearing a dirty old t-shirt with an eagle on it?

        • coyote3

          And who let the worthless Allen Alda clone out.

          • guest

            Who is Allen Alda?

          • Stephen_Brady


            But in case that you're not old enough to remember, Alan Alda is the liberal actor who portrayed "Hawkeye Pierce" in the TV comedy M*A*S*H*, which took place in the Korean War but was really about the Vietnam War.

            You could very easily be mistaken for Alda. At least, you could be mistaken for his caricature of the mad liberal on M*A*S*H* …

          • guest

            so am i like him or his character on mash? and why go back so far, why not just say sean penn or some other current actor that people under 60 actually might have heard of. You people are strange, it's like you are stuck in an imaginary past. Was there some liberal on Leave it to Beaver that I also resemble?

          • Stephen_Brady

            No problem. You and Sean would probably get along, well …

          • coyote3

            You silly maricon. you know who he is, but that is not the point. You spoke about Clint Eastwood and westerns. Those haven't been around since the 1970s.

          • coyote3

            Yeah, an imaginary past. Just like Madison, Adams, Jefferson and all those old guys. Along with that "old" constitution.

            At least in my retirement I have some good news. Got hired to teach a constitutional law class. Really looking forward to this one.

          • guest

            your vision of what went on when those guys were around is pure fantasy. You've created a Disney World past and now pine for it despite the fact it never existed. The founders were intellectuals, elites, by today's standards. They would have been embarrassed to have you in their respective camps.

          • coyote3

            It is unlikely you would have been in their camp, alive. Read about them sometime, if you can, they were some vicious people, they had to be.

            Let me ask you, what disney world did I create? Specifically. In fact I didn't say anything about how things were then. It appears that the lastest group of Republicans and Democrats have created a fantasy of things and powers that do not exist.

  • mike

    one thing i do know ! And why noting is being done about it? In any other war up untill the present time leaks like classified military papers and reports and anyother thing that was leaked would result in someone in BIG trouble!!!! Like firing squad hanging kind of trouble! Anyone doing this was considered a traitor or the enemy and handled accordingly! Think WW2 and someone printing a paper with US miltary plans and documents and i think you know what i mean!

  • Muchiboy

    "Spirit of 1683"

    Was this made into a movie? Muchiboy

    • SeaMystic

      Any women in your family you want circumcised, stoned or honour killed? You and Obama support this ideology in the U.S..

  • welldoneson

    I strongly suspect White House involvement in the wikileaks documents.
    They started gathering the stuff shortly after more troops were requested for Afghanistan and started releasing them after the troops were sent. Don't put any such move about Obama's people. This White House is infested with blame-America-first lefties and some of the most harsh Marxist true believers to ever have the ear of a President.

    • SeaMystic

      Thank You.

  • Muchiboy

    "Yep, Israeli children are precious to you if you get the chance to pour Zyklon crystals onto them. We know that Jew-hating bigoted turd."

    I have made this point in past posts,and it bears repeating.Accusations of Palestinian terrorists killing innocent Israeli children may indeed be accurate.Accusations of Palestinian mothers and fathers sending their children out to the streets to kill and be killed are both disturbing and not without some validity.
    Yet Israelis share accountability for the war related/intifada related deaths of their children (including young men and women IDF members) as well as Palestinian children when they persist in unconscionable policies (e.g.ethnic cleansing )against the Palestinian people.Muchiboy

  • So Cal Mike

    I for one would be pleased and down right tickled pink of Mr Assange were targeted for assassination.
    Given the lives of allies and friends he's either endangered or gotten killed, he's earned it a millions times over.

  • Muchiboy

    "Innocence is irrelevant."

    In your world ,perhaps and in Israel,coyote3.Not in my world.The proof is in the numbers of innocents,including children,killed by your "dutiful" IDF.

    • coyote3

      The IDF does not belong to me. What I cited were the rules of engagement under international law. Civilians, innocent or otherwise, are not supposed to be "targeted". However, if they comingle with combatants, identified or not, they are fair game. It is even worse if the combatants are not identifiable. You deny what "is" and live in a fantasy world. I am only pointing out what the law is. You don't like, so you talk about "your world", which a fantasy.

  • Muchiboy

    Israel and the Fourth Geneva Convention…Some arguable points

    "The Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, commonly referred to as the Fourth Geneva Convention"

    "However, the EU says the fourth Geneva convention prevents an occupying power extending its jurisdiction to occupied territory. Israel occupied the east of the city in the 1967 six day war and later annexed it. The Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of their future state."

    "It is widely accepted that under international law, the Jewish settlements in the territories occupied by Israel in 1967 are illegal.

    Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war states: "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."
    "What has upset Obama administration officials and congressional Democrats, however, was that the report also concluded that Israel's military assault on Gaza was "a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish humiliate and terrorize a civilian population," citing Israel's deadly attacks against schools, mosques, private homes and businesses nowhere near legitimate military targets. These conclusions echo detailed empirical reports released in recent months by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, among others."


  • Muchiboy

    Gaza War Crimes

    Israel and the Fourth Geneva Convention…Some arguable points Part 2

    By Alan Shapiro

    To the Teacher:

    A UN fact-finding mission recently determined that war crimes were committed by both Israelis and Palestinians during the 2008 Gaza War. The UN panel declared that the two parties should either conduct their own "appropriate investigations" or the UN Security Council should refer the charges to the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court. Israel received the strongest criticisms in the report.

    The first student reading below covers the charges against Israel, the second those against the Palestinians, as well as background on Gaza. The third reading provides notes on the Geneva Conventions and other international agreements dealing with war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    See the high school section of, for "Israelis and Palestinians: 'A Clash Between Right and Right,'" which includes readings on the basic issues in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the close relationship between Israel and the U.S., and opposing views of the Israeli attack on Gaza as well as suggested inquiries into the background of the conflict. Five earlier sets of readings on Israel and the Palestinians are also available there.

    Student Reading 1:
    The Israeli attack

    On December 27, 2008, Israeli planes bombed government buildings, police stations and other sites in the Gaza Strip that Israel regarded as military. The strikes continued for a week. Then Israeli troops invaded. Israel's stated purpose in these assaults was to halt rocket and mortar attacks on southern Israel and arms smuggling into the Strip.

    Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip, and other militant Palestinian groups have made such attacks on Israel for years. They say the attacks are justified because of Israel's economic embargo, which limits medical supplies, food, and commercial goods from reaching Gazans. In addition, Hamas opposes Israel's claim to lands Hamas views as Palestinian.

    On January 18, 2009, Israel declared a unilateral ceasefire and by January 21 had removed its troops.

    A UN fact-finding mission led by Richard Goldstone investigated the actions of Israelis and Palestinians during the Gaza War. On September 15, the mission released a 575-page report, which concluded that both Israel and Hamas, as well as other Palestinian militant groups, committed what amounted to war crimes during the conflict. It aimed its strongest criticisms at Israel, whose invasion it described as "a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity both to work and to provide for itself and to force upon it an ever-increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability."


  • Muchiboy

    Gaza War Crimes

    Israel and the Fourth Geneva Convention…Some arguable points Part 3

    "I saw the destruction of the only flour-producing factory in Gaza," Goldstone said, in a later interview with Bill Moyers on PBS. "I saw fields plowed up by Israeli tank bulldozers. I saw chicken farms, for egg production, completely destroyed. Tens of thousands of chickens killed. I met with families who lost their loved ones in homes in which they were seeking shelter from the Israeli ground forces."

    "I had to have very emotional and difficult interviews with fathers whose little daughters were killed, whose family were killed," said Goldstone. In one family, he said, "over 21 members [were] killed by Israeli mortars. So, it was a very difficult investigation, which will give me nightmares for the rest of my life."

    Goldstone charged: "These attacks amounted to reprisals and collective punishment, and constitute war crimes. The government of Israel obviously has a duty to protect its own citizens. That in no way justifies a policy of collective punishment of a people under effective occupation, destroying their means to live a dignified life and the trauma caused by the kind of military intervention the Israeli government called Operation Cast Lead." (Interview with Bill Moyers,, 10/23/09)

    Other key charges in the UN report about Israel:

    * Israeli forces committed "grave breaches of the fourth Geneva convention" that included "individual criminal responsibility." This means soldiers could face prosecution.
    * Israeli troops used Palestinian civilians as human shields, a war crime.
    * Israel's economic blockade of Gaza in the years before the war amounted to "collective punishment intentionally inflicted by the government of Israel on the people of the Gaza Strip."
    * Israeli actions depriving the people of Gaza of the means of subsistence, employment, housing, water, and freedom of movement, "could lead a competent court to find that the crime of persecution, a crime against humanity, had been committed." (, 9/15/09)

    In his interview with Moyers, Goldstone described evidence that Israeli forces attacked noncombatant civilians, including bombing the Palestinian legislative assembly and bombing 200 industrial factories. He charged that Israel had bombed Gaza's water supply facilities and sanitation facilities, "which caused an overflow of filth and muck into well over a square kilometer of land."

    Senior Hamas official Mahmoud al-Zahar stated that Israeli forces "shelled everyone in Gaza….They shelled children and hospitals and mosques…and in doing so, they gave us legitimacy to strike them in the same way."

    Israeli and Palestinian sources disagree about how many Palestinian civilians were killed during the war. The Palestinian Center for Human Rights said 1,417 Palestinian people were killed, including more than 900 civilians. (, 3/26/09) Amnesty International reported similar figures, but also reported 5,000 Palestinian wounded and 300 Palestinian children dead. B'tselem, the Israeli human rights organization, documented 773 cases in which Israeli forces killed civilians. (Lawrence Wright, an investigative journalist, "Captives," The New Yorker, 11/9/09)

  • SeaMystic

    This item certainly has brought out the Closet Communists from under their rocks, with their rationalizations and distorted propaganda against Israel. Go back to the video games and your favorite porno sites.

  • SeaMystic

    Muchiboy and fellow Islamists or Leftists.
    Do you have any women you want Circumcised, Stoned or Honour Killed in your family?
    This is what Obama and you are supporting.

    Ban Islam for past and present War Crimes

    Mohammed: The Con Man and False Prophet

    As we are against terrorism in the world for the ultimate survival of our society, I’m offering viewpoints to win the battle against Islam’s goal of world domination, which is stated in their writings.

    Mohammed and his sayings, found in the Koran, Hadiths, Sunnahs and Surahs, are the root of Muslim terrorism.

    With truth and reality, we must discredit the founder of Islam, his sayings and the belief system that spawns this terrorism.

    Let the world know that Mohammed, while in Medina, organized raids on camel trains hauling trade goods, and received twenty percent (20%) of the ill gotten loot. The spiritual mechanics of functioning as a Prophet does not mix with being a thief and killing for wealth.

  • SeaMystic


    Let the world know that Mohammed betrothed a six year old (6) child, in her ninth year (9) consummated their marriage sexually. He was in his fifties (50’s) at the time. The inner development of a Prophet does not function with paedophilia. Mohammed was a paedophile. He claimed that Aisha was his only wife that caused him to experience revelations while under the blanket with her. Mohammed’s counsel to others and actions, legitimized paedophilia through Islam’s ideology. What was the source of Mohammed’s revelations as a Paedophile? All this is stated in the Hadith , Sirahs and Sunnahs.

  • SeaMystic


    On returning to Medina after taking Mecca, he attacked one of the Jewish tribes, the Qurraysa. After 28 days of siege, the Jews capitulated. Mohammed immediately ignored the terms agreed upon as part of their surrender. He ordered and watched as all males from puberty on were beheaded in a trench. Their families were made to watch this slaughter of the male children and men. Some of the women became hysterical while watching the beheading of their husbands and sons and were also beheaded. During the slaughter, Mohammed spotted a beautiful Jewish girl and selected her for his sex slave. Her name was Rayhannah. She had to watch while her mother and sister were raped. Her sister was traded as a slave for arms which is stated in both the Hadiths and the Surahs. There were three tribal groups of Jewish origin and belief in Medina at that time. Those that weren’t killed or sold into slavery were forced out into the desert to die.
    These atrocities are the actions of a demonic fiend not a Prophet.

    Mohammed also encouraged and rewarded many assassinations in his lifetime. Murder is not an activity of a Prophet.

  • SeaMystic


    The fantasy paradise that Mohammed developed to entice the itinerant, uneducated Arabs to Islam is a personal bordello. This paradise in the hereafter shows a sexual fixation and addiction in the spirit of Mohammed. This is not the development of a spiritual Prophet. This demonic personality is no doubt the most successful con man ever. Mohammed has been more successful than Hitler and the Nazi movement in longevity, size of his organization and hatred of the Jews.

    Compare Mohammed to all former Prophets and founders of great religious movements, East and West, and it easily shows us how debased he was. His organization was developed by tacking spiritual words to robbery, killing, converting by the sword and terrorism with Fatwas which are all fiendish acts. This activity by his followers is presently seen on television clips with kidnapped, innocent people being beheaded in praise of Allah.

    Last but not least, Allah was one of over two hundred and fifty (250) idols in the Ka’aba. After taking Mecca, Mohammed destroyed all other tribal idols except for the Quraysh tribe’s idol and pronounced Allah the one and only God.

  • SeaMystic

    Any members in your family you want circumcised, stoned or honour killed. If you stand against the Guardians of Democracy in their War against Islam, you are responsible.

  • Muchiboy

    "You and Obama support this ideology in the U.S.."

    Last time I looked,one of the few things your President and myself share is our Christianity.Something I presume we don't share with you,eh?Muchiboy

  • Muchiboy

    "I believe that, in warfare against terrorism, we must attack the heart and not just the tentacles of Islam with truth."

    Islam,like Christianity,has its origins in Judaism.We all know the crimes against Humanity committed in the name of this or that God.Christians and the Crusades and the Inquisition,Jews and their Zionism,Muslims and 911,etc.Most religions have more or less evolved along with Modernity,adapting to and accepting those ideas and ideals.
    Islam may well be the fastest growing religion and like it or not it is here to stay whether in the Arab,Asian,European or African world.That it is in crisis is obvious,and we all,Christian,Jew,Buddhist or Hindu must do what we can to support the moderates who hopefully are in the majority.In our present context,it means the Jews concluding a fair and just settlement with the Palestinian people,and believe me,you have a very long way to go.For the West generally,it means less political interference and support for corrupt regimes out of self interest.Of course,the greatest challenge and most effort must come from Muslims themselves.Muchiboy

  • Marie

    I signed the petition…thanks for the link…

    • SeaMystic

      Thanks Marie,

      God Bless You.

  • Muchiboy

    "Keep supporting the Ideology that Stones women, Circumcises and Honor Kills them for having sex outside of their marriage."

    Like I should keep supporting an ideology i.e.Zionism,Judaism,that occupies Palestinian land,is guilty of serious human rights violations against the Palestinian people,including ethnic cleansing? Think very carefully before you cast the first stone,my friend.Muchiboy

    • SeaMystic

      Obama was born a Muslim, as the son of a Muslim. If he was known as a True Christian in the Islamic world, by its dogma as per Mohammed's words, he would be subject to assassination as an Apostate.
      The reality is that his financier and further assisstance came from the front man of two Islamic Princes in America, he is a Muslim 5th Columnist pretending to be a Christian, for Islamic Princes would not assist an Apostate of Islam.
      As for you, there are over 1700 sects in Christianity, some infiltrated and activated by Luciferian influences. All you have shown, is directly to this influence in the supposed Christianity you profess.

      Have you participated in Stonings and Honour Killings with your friends in the Islamic Demonic Ideology?


      • Muchiboy

        "Have you participated in Stonings and Honour Killings with your friends in the Islamic Demonic Ideology?"



        Some,advice,SeaMystic.Never take a sword to a gunfight.

        • SeaMystic

          See you soon.

  • Hojatolah

    Wikileaks documents perfectly show that how Nori AlMaleki in Iraq is the poppet of mullahs and actually is spying for Iranian regime against his people and his nation.
    And in this cases it perfectly shows how U.S. officials with good knowledge of this situation have been so quite and have taken no position against Nori AlMalki.
    U.S. officials have to answer this issue, why and how they have been so quite by confronting the inhuman actions of Nori AlMaleki that is going on right now in Iraq and U.S. just tried to withdraw their troops to keep themselves away from all of these criminals…..
    We are waiting for the answers…. of U.S. Officials….

  • Muchiboy

    Ban Islam Petition

    "We cannot support any group or religion that….."

    Talk about the Idiot Fringe! Canada is big enough,lawful enough,tolerant enough and democratic enough to deal with any Idiot Fringe,be they kooks that want to ban Islam in Canada or Fundamentalist Islamists who disobey our laws and ideals.We are not so fragile nor fearful as to resort to radical and discriminatory practices.
    We all live on one tiny,fragile planet.This finite Earth is our home and we don't yet have another.While we have hundreds of borders,we know that the human mindset has fewer borders today then ever before.And our modern means of transport and global perspective renders those borders less meaningful and intimidating then ever before,too.We can no longer,like the Jews,go to a settled land and occupy it at the expense of the inhabitants.We can no longer dismiss and battle anothers religion as foreign to ours.We are all obligated,Christian,Jew or Muslim,to acknowledge the value of Human Rights for the benefit of all Humanity.While there may indeed be times when in defense of these ideals we must go to war e.g.Nazism,these cases are the exception rather then the rule.And at home we must be careful not to deny a Human Right in apparent defense of a freedom or in response to some perceived threat.Muchiboy

    • SeaMystic

      Try teaching human rights to Muslims. Their Prophet does not allow it.
      Do some study of Islam.

  • Muchiboy

    "Try teaching human rights to Muslims. Their Prophet does not allow it. "

    Jews and Christians ,for the most part,have moved beyond biblical times to embrace modernity.We need not expect anything less from Muslims.Again,it is up to the adherents of Islam to make these changes in the practice of their beliefs.As all aspects of civilization and humanity progress,e.g.knowledge,technology,medicine,law,
    punishment,morals,etc. only the very basic values of goodness may remain constant.Muchiboy

  • Muchiboy

    "See you soon."

    Yea.I'll buy you a coffee someday.And if you're old enough I'll make it a beer.Muchiboy

    • SeaMystic

      Don't tell me your addicted to tender young bodies, preferably male.

  • SeaMystic

    Just came up with an idea to lower the national debt. Create a tour adjenda to follow the activities of the individuals you admire, for example:
    The Restaurant where Teddy Kenendy was found fornicating on the floor.
    The clothe closet J.F.K. used in an impulsive activity with a female in the Whitehouse.
    The Oval office and chair where Klinton enjoyed hummers from M.
    A free Klinton Oval Office cigar, with a little Beaver flavoring from M.
    Since the White House is now off limit to most tourists, due to Obama's friends and their activities. Some of the sites may need photographs.
    Call me for more advice.

    All to honour your political idols, good fortune and the best of luck.

  • Muchiboy

    "Don't tell me your addicted to tender young bodies, preferably male."

    No,SeaMystic,I have but two addictions:one to coffee,the other to FP.Sometimes,when I'm lucky,I get to indulge both at the same time,a double-double while debating on FP.Muchiboy