To Build a Mosque

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Apologists for Islam like to say that people fear what they don’t understand.  But that’s not always true.  The more that European Jews came to understand Nazism the more they rightly feared it.  That seems also to be the case with Islam.  The more you get to know the real thing, and not some whitewashed version of it, the more frightening it appears.  It would be interesting to conduct a “knowledge of Islam” survey comparing those with a favorable view of Islam to those with an unfavorable view in order to see who really has the most accurate knowledge.  My bet is that the unfavorably disposed would win by a big margin.  The “Know-Nothings” of today are not those who fear Islam, but rather those who gullibly swallow assurances that Islamic leaders would like nothing better than to promote interfaith harmony.

Here are some items for them to chew on:

(*) A 2003 CIA report found that over a 30-year period the Saudis spent at least $2 billion a year to spread Islam.  According to another estimate the amount to date is nearly one hundred billion.  Much of that money goes to building mosques.

(*) In many Muslim countries civil authorities require that the text of the Friday sermon be pre-submitted for approval.  The reason:  Friday sermons have frequently incited rampages against non-Muslims or against minority Muslim sects.

(*) The Mapping Sharia in America Project conducted by the Center for Security Policy found that three out of four of the two hundred mosques they investigated supported anti-Western extremism.  A prime example is the Dar Al Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia, which was long touted as a model of moderation until it was discovered that Major Nidal Hassan, the “underwear bomber,” the Times Square bomber, and two of the 9/11 terrorists had received mentoring either at the mosque or from its former imam, Anwar al-Awlaki.

(*) Mosques are frequently used as recruitment and training centers for terrorists.  Police raids on numerous mosques in Europe have uncovered false papers, weapons, ammunition, and bomb making equipment.

(*) Islam is not just a religion, and a mosque is not just a place of prayer.  According to a well-known Islamic poem:

The mosques are our barracks,
The domes our helmets,

The minarets our bayonets,
And the faithful our soldiers.

If you’ve ever wondered why the penalty for apostasy is death, it helps to realize that many Muslims think of Islam as an army, and they think of themselves as soldiers in Allah’s army. An apostate is like a soldier who deserts.

(*) Numerous Islamic scholars and leaders have expressed either publicly or privately a desire to overthrow Western Civilization.  The Muslim Brotherhood’s plan for the United States reads in part as follows:  “[Muslims] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western Civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house…so that it is eliminated and Allah’s religion is made victorious…”  As the commercial for a new TV espionage series puts it, “Not every conspiracy is a theory.”

Some have suggested that at the last minute Imam Rauf will bow to public opinion, and graciously agree to build the Ground Zero mosque elsewhere.  If he did, it might turn a public relations disaster into a public relations coup.  He would then be hailed by the media and the other usual suspects for his good faith gesture and his spirit of cooperation and compromise.  Rauf will emerge as a true American, and the mosque protestors will have been deprived of their main argument.  Muslims will have lost their victory mosque—at least temporarily—but they will have won a significant tactical advantage:  the ability to build mosques all across America with little opposition.  After such a “bridge-building” gesture, any further opposition to mosques will be portrayed as proof positive of mean-spirited bigotry.

Whether or not such a scenario plays out, the possibility that it might reveals the drawback of placing all your bets on the one issue of location.  Nor is it wise to turn the moderation—or lack thereof—of a particular imam into the main issue. In both the Muslim world and in the West, moderate imams tend to lose their jobs with appalling regularity to radical imams. A “moderate” substitute for Imam Rauf at a relocated site might serve to satisfy many of the objections to the project, but the moderate man could easily be replaced once the furor dies down—or, alternatively, he could turn out to be not so moderate. To be sure, there is nothing moderate about Imam Rauf—a man whose main project is the advancement of Sharia law—and, to be sure, there is something very wrong about the proposed location for the Ground Zero mosque.  But the main point of resistance to Islamization is and ought to be that there is something very wrong with Islam.

William Kilpatrick’s articles have appeared in FrontPage Magazine, First Things, Catholic World Report, National Catholic Register, Jihad Watch, World, and Investor’s Business Daily.

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  • Marko

    Islam is not a religion of peace that violent Muslims have hijacked.

    Islam is a religion of violence that some peace-loving Muslims are attempting to hijack.

    • birdseye

      well said!

  • waterwillows

    The west does not want any of these super mosques built anywhere in their lands. It is not like a church or a temple would be allowed in muslim lands.
    Also if you read Pslams 9: v 8 It clearly states that places where muslim have uprooted (taken over) those cities will be destroyed.
    Islam is nothing but a curse.

  • watchful

    This fight is going to be with us from here on out. We have to really want our culture in order to keep it because they have not given up over all these centuries. They are extremely organized against us so we had better be organized to hold them back. If you look at the territory they took over during the First Jihad, it was an enormous amount of land and people. The Second Jihad was a huge success and brought them most of what is the lands of Islam today. This, the Third Jihad, has Muslim countries the world over religiously "cleansing" their lands and murdering infidels while at the same time they are vigorously Islamizing the west by stealth from inside the countries. We really do need to give it some serious thought regarding who do we want to be as Americans. The Europeans have been politically correct sleep walking for several decades and they learned from WWII that they need to be accommodating and tolerant to others otherwise they will have a WWIII. What they don't understand on the continent is that without all the accommodating and tolerance Hitler would never have had the running start he had when he started the concept of the Third Reich. They need to be reminded that their culture is/was worth saving.

    I think any Mosque preaching sedition and hatred or involved in any activities regarding terrorism should have their mosque confiscated under RICO laws. Muslims do understand one thing very well. That thing is strength and power even if they never do come to understand our western values of acceptance and Judeo/Christian values.

  • posse101

    thank you for expressing my opinion so clearly and thoughtfully. for months now i've been telling anyone who would listen that the building of the mosque at ground zero issue was a win-win for muslims. either they get the mosque built at ground zero and win, or they get Americans falling over themselves saying hey it's o.k. to build it anywhere or everywhere else in our country BUT ground zero. (and they win again)

    once again, thanks for your thoughtful article.

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    I could not agree more with William Kilpatrick. I too have written many times: Islam does not belong to America at all. The problem is that we have got into a trap of the eroded meaning of the word "religion" in the 1st amendment. It is a modern made belief as though "religion" in the 1st amendment means whichever in the world including Islam. It will take a long time (or an all out war) to repair the erosion and to get back to sanity, namely that we are a Judeo-Christian only nation…

    Yet even if Islam were really protected by the 1st amendment for American citizens, it does not mean that the immigration stream may be indiscriminate and may include Moslems. (Immigration became indiscriminate only since the T. Kennedy bill of 1965). And the 1st amendment does not mean as though unbridled proselytization of Islam on foreign money must be allowed in America… In short, our goals must be items 2-7 in the following
    http://www.resonoelusono.com/Platform.htm

    Borrowing Olinsky's doctrine, the outrageous crisis of the 9/11 mosque must not be missed in vain. Hopefully it will help to wake up America…

  • ObamaYoMoma

    I couldn’t agree more with the sentiments of the writer. I’ve been saying ad nauseum for a few weeks now that the ground zero mosque should be opposed on the grounds that Islam far from being just a religion is in reality a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks to subjugate the world via the imposition of Sharia as its main goal and no such ideology is protected by the free exercise clause of the first amendment of the constitution because the constitution isn’t a suicide pact. Hence, not only should the ground zero mosque be stopped, but Islam should also be outlawed in the USA.

  • Mohan

    Muslims and their sympathizers dub opponents of proposed Ground Zero mosque as ISLAMOPHOB. The truth is that Islam itself is suffering from RIVALPHOB – it cannot tolerate any rival religion. It considers all non-Islamic people infidels, worthy to be killed or subjugated or converted to Islam by hook or by crook. It is now time to ban Islam completely and treating all Muslims as criminals who are out to destroy our values of freedom and humanism.

    • Cipollina

      Ahhhh, the great American melting pot. It accepts all… including those who do NOT enhance the flavor of the stew that's being cooked in it. My beloved America became so vibrant and strong specifically because the early immigrants had a desire to apply their hard work, their talents, and cheerful attitude to better this country of ours. It seems as though lately the quality of the newcomers (for the most part) has gone down. The attitudes that most of the new immigrants bring here are the sense of entitlement and oftentimes strong hatred towards all things American. I say, leave. Get the hell out of here back to where you came from. I am an immigrant myself. I have a first hand experience at how Islam treats Christians. My people (Armenians) were nearly exterminated at the hands of Turks in the 1915 genocide. This is just one of the hundreds of examples of intolerance and militant hate Christians all over the world endure in predominantly Muslim countries. Americans, wake up! Re-claim your beautiful country. Change your immigration laws to attract the best of the best who will love and cherish this country that allows each and every person to fulfill his or her dreams.

  • DrDjjl

    You people do not even know your own religion. Before criticising others go read your own bible. These are gods commandments and if you chose to ignore yours or re-write them, thats your choice. The world is laughing at these hypocrite Americans that claim to be the beacon of freedom of religion and democracy. We accept is as long as its American – Ha what a joke Sounds more like china or Saudi Arabia. If there is money involved you can swallow it, otherwise show us your true ugly bigot, racist, hypocritical face America.

    • kafir4life

      Hey Doc! Thanks for posting. I can't tell for sure, but are you one of those muslims that follow the pedophilic warlord rapist known as mohamad (aka mad mo)? The same mad mo that invented the gutter cult of islam after he shat the contents of the koran from his stinking anus, right after spewing the 99 names for the moon god allahhaha on the ground in feces?

      You one of them?

      muslims will receive respect when they stop demanding respect and instead earn some, and show some.

    • sebyandrew

      We know Islam well enough Give your advice to them.

    • Guest

      This is typical Islamic doublespeak. The passages in the bible you are refering to are in the Old Testament which were specifically directed towards the Isrealite tribes against other tribes in Isreal. Do not try to insinuate that Chrisitainity, meaning the teachings in the New Testament are even comparable to the multiple overt and explicit exhortations of the faithful to violence in the Koran. Dr Djjl it is you who are the hypocrite. Also Islam is a religion not a race, to insinuate that being against Islamic extremism is racist is an absurd proposition.

  • DrDjjl

    Criticise Israel for killing and starving millions of Palestinians – that is Anti Semitic. But call Muslims violent and killers – oh that's democracy. Someone remind these ignorant red necks there are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world. Islam gave you all you of science, maths and medicine.

    • isntlam

      >>Criticise Israel for killing and starving millions of Palestinians – that is Anti Semitic.<<

      More than being anti-semitic, that is a lie.

      >>But call Muslims violent and killers – oh that's democracy.<<

      Not all muslims are haters and killers, but these ones that are not know that they will be persecuted if they disagree publicly with their imams. And that is because islam is a belligerant force everywhere in the world. Face facts. Free yourself. Stop being a tool.

      >> Someone remind these ignorant red necks there are 1.6 BILLION Muslims in the world.<<

      And McDonald's has served over five billion.

      >> Islam gave you all you of science, maths and medicine. <<

      Now who is being an ignorant redneck?

    • Brett

      Islam did not give us any of this, Islam stole it from the Byzantine christians & others that it butchered & pillaged along the way to conquering the entire middle east & Aisa Minor. Islam is a gutter religion that tolerates no others but its own. Thats why Islam should be rejected by others and treated as the enemy which they have so rightfully earned.

    • No Sharia

      Oh that's so funny. How many Muslim Arabs have been on the moon? (I'd like many of them to be there, but that's another question.) And medicine; I guess Mohammend ben Salk developed the polio vacine. And TB? While it is still a scourge in Islamic countries, it is virtually eradicated in the west. I know, if you can tell the truth, lie. Your religion not only permits, but demands it. Typhoid? Measles? Discovery of antibiotics? anything? Any accomplishment by Arabs and the only one which stands out is Arabic numerals, was done long before their moon-goddess worshipping warlord Mohammed came on the scene. Since then Islam has been concerned with the subjugation of women, beheading of infidels, killing other Muslims of an opposing sect, keeping slaves, and sacrificing animals. And then there's the well in Iran where many of them are waiting for the 13th Imam to come climbing out. Oh, let's not forget that Mohammed "Married" a six year-old child; The perfect man whom Muslim males strive to emulate. Well Doc, Mohammed was a pedophile. A dirty old man. Read your Koran and you will confirm this for yourself.

      • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

        "the only one which stands out is Arabic numerals".

        No, in fact they are Indian numerals, borrowed by Arabs

    • John

      If you initiate name-calling, be prepared to accept a few "terms of endearments" yourself. So, the ignorant towelhead you are, you need to be reminded that your fancy doctorate degree didn't teach you anything factual. Fact #1: Peaceful Arabic khalifates between 7 to 11 centuries produced some of the greatest discoveries in algebra, astronomy, etc. as well as created some of the most beautiful poetry in the world. This was when the learned men were busy studying the world around then – not engaged in venom-spewing towards their Christian neighbors (in Spain). All that came to a screeching halt once several militant fanatics decided to unite the Arab world under the green banner of Islam and rid the world of the presence of infidels. From that point on and UNTIL THE PRESENT TIME, there has not been ANY input, any accomplishment, any discovery, any invention by Moslems to benefit the mankind. I truly believe that they suffer from envy which can be traced to being unable to make any contribution to our global civilization. Are you able to understand where I am going with this? A mind that is filled with hatred and venom is NOT capable of creating anything constructive.

    • http://first-edition-online.com Gene Williams

      All praise is due to Allah, right?

      "Islam gave you all you of science, maths and medicine." It also gave us mass murder of innocents, mass homosexuality, and brutality toward women.

      You make me want to puke.

  • CitiKitty

    Indeed, . . . “there is something very wrong with Islam.”

    Islamic ideology clearly states that it is not a ‘Religion of Peace’. All of this world is seen as being either Dar al- Islam (the house of Islam) or Dar al- Harb (the house of WAR).

    These dissembling, jihadist, hate-mongering grifters, Mr. & Mrs. Rauf, are camel noses trying to upend the civilized tent of my city in order to poison New York with the Sharia Law oppression of Islam. Their project is a “Triumphalist, Jihadist Monument to Celebrate the murders of the dhimmi at the Mount Suribachi Mosque”.

    Mr. Rauf has stated that “. . . the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than Al-Queda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims.”

    The Raufs are deceitful dissemblers. They disdain the freedoms of American citizens
    and want to befoul the sovereignty of the individual with the atavistic, anti-individualistic, barbaric Sharia Law.

    • Tryon

      Exactly! And note how the old wolf gives himself away when he says, "If we look at the American Declaration of Independence, we see that it speaks of principles that comply with Islam." Get it? The Constitution must comply with the Koran, not the other way around. What a freak from hell!

  • DrDjjl

    You people do not even know your own religion. Before criticising others go read your own bible. These are gods commandments and if you chose to ignore yours or re-write them, that's your choice. The world is laughing at these hypocrite Americans that claim to be the beacon of freedom of religion and democracy. We accept it as long as its American – Ha what a joke Sounds more like china or Saudi Arabia. If there is money involved you can swallow it, otherwise show us your true ugly bigot, racist, hypocritical face America.

    • No Sharia

      What nonsense. The Old Testament philosophy was amended when Christ came. He preached love, forgiveness and kindness. There is not one instance where Christ said anyone should be killed, hurt, forced to to anything. There are 10 Commandments by which Christians and Jews live. There are the Beatitudes where Christ further taught Christians how to live. "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy." Is there anything to compare to this in the Koran? Of course not. Blood. Kill. Genitally disfigure little girls. subjugate countries, take slaves, take concubines (And how about that heavenly sex orgy terroists are promised?) Islam is not worthy of consideration as a religion. It is a political ideology.

    • John

      Sounds like a case of green envy mixed in with some bad English grammar.

      • John

        My comment was intended for Dr. Djjjjjlllll. He wants the world to know that he holds a doctorate in ignorance and hate.

    • John

      How dare you to get on your high horse and accuse Americans of being intolerant! Unlike your own breed, Americans DO NOT turn their few churches located in Islamic countries to serve as beacons of hatred and terrorist recruitment centers. Take a trip to Brooklyn, NY to see how over 20 mosques/islamic "cultural" centers do just that. Denial is an illness, sir. And if you hate America so much, then perhaps you should give up iPods, blue jeans, Hummers, and other products of our way of life. The 9/11 terrorists were videotaped enjoying themselves in a strip club the night before that doomed day. You talk about double standards? How about that for a double standard? Unbury your own head out of sand.

    • Shirts r us

      Dr Dingle, You are a loser and a shiest stirrer. Go to h(*l.

  • DrDjjl

    Americans are killers and murders; Japan, South America, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and not mention the millions of people that suffer and died under the American greed for dominance and wealth. You people are blind, just follow one clip of your murderous soldiers are doing in iraq, the woman, children and men. Your going to say a few bad apples – but Muslims noo its all 1.6 Billion of them.

    • kafir4life

      Doc – Did you know that both polio vaccines were invented by Jewish doctors?? It has a "special" serum in it that targets muslims. What you should do is warn all of your coreligionists to avoid giving this Jewish filth to your children! It's the only way!!

      Allahu Snackbar!!

    • Brett

      This post really exposes you for the anti- american biggot that you truely are, ignorant hateful, & a liar.

    • isntlam

      >>your murderous soldiers are doing in iraq, the woman, children and men<<

      The murders in Iraq are the doing of muslims. Muslims kill each other far oftener than the U.S. soldiers. Muslims can't live in peace anywhere.

    • No Sharia

      "As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free. His truth is marching on." A Danish cartoonist draws a picture of the warlord Mohammed with a bomb in his turban. Muslims, in protest, kill each other. I read an article a few days ago in an English newspaper about the frequency with which Muslims marry their first cousins. It's about 70% in Pakistan and comparable in the rest of the world which is under the yoke of Islam. Do you know what happens when first cousins marry for generations? I'll put it as kindly as I can. It affects their intelligence.

    • wumhenry

      Muslims whose butts were saved by American military intervention in the Balkans owe it to American greed for dominance and wealth??

  • DrDjjl

    In the next5-10 years America is going to crash so bad, the world be so glad and joyous in celebrations !

    • isntlam

      >>In the next5-10 years America is going to crash so bad, the world be so glad and joyous in celebrations ! <<

      You must be a muslim :)

    • sebyandrew

      Isn't the bus going to be there shortly to take you to elementary school?

    • No Sharia

      I doubt that you have the authority to speak for the world. But if you are in the US, why are you here? Why do people the world over struggle to come here? Why do those to the south of us risk life and limb to get here. I think a poor Mexican would be glad to take your place here, that is if you are here legally. Love it or leave it, Pal. Go behead someone in Saudi Arabia on a Friday night.

    • trickyblain

      You mean backwater theocracies will celebtrate? Those nations whose wealth is in the hands of rulers, who tell thier populace that everything will be alright if they are pious? The rulers who blame the US for the sorry state of thier nations?

      Yeah, they'll celebrate. For a little while.

      The civilized world, on the other hand would weep because if the US economy tanks, theirs will too. They know that "you go, we go."

  • Triple_AAA

    Very good point! Though I would add that we need to look at the concept of "freedom of religion" more closely. I don't think there is any way around this issue, even though islam is more than just a religion. Because it uses it's 1st Amendment protection as a religion to do it's dirty work. Religious freedom, in our case and in the case of Europe, is actually resulting in less freedom. Sharia law is antithetical to freedom. To counter this threat we must be prepared to amend the Constitution to specifically exclude islam from 1st Amendment protection. This is in addition to putting an immediate end to all islamic immigration into our country including islamic birthright citizenship.

    • Ray in Seattle

      This would be a mistake IMO. (Writing Islam out of constitutional protections.) I see the problem being the extremely broad definition of religion that we protect. Legal scholars need to find a way to discriminate between religions that allow their clergy to advocate or inspire their followers to do illegal things and those that don't.

      One way to improve the situation would be to require that any religion demanding 1st amendment protections (and tax exemptions) must be open to any US citizen who wishes to attend the services and hear the sermons. The right to practice a religion is sacrosanct. But, if Islam – which is actually a political philosophy with religious baggage – wants to dominate humankind politically Americans should also get to define just what a religion is – and isn't.

  • http://www.apollospaeks.blogtownhall.com ApolloSpeaks

    I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BUILDING THE CORDOBA MOSQUE

    as long as it's deep underground beneath Ground Zero in the rat infested sewer system of New York.

    Click my name and read my latest piece: I'm an Islamophobe

  • Vivi Andersen

    Dr. Djjl

    What islamic science ???

  • Andres de Alamaya

    I am celebrating the proposed Ground Zero mosque. It is providing an important, time saving function. I have felt for several years that inevitably somewhere down the line America will burst out in violent riots because the Jihadists are programmed to keep pushing and pushing and eventually Americans would wake up and shout, "Enough is enough!" Since so much of America is asleep and ignorant of Islamists' ambitions, I figured it would take years before America would wake up. The mosque proposal has changed all that. It has become a national issue. (Continued)

  • Andres de Alamaya

    Because of the Mosque proposal, Americans who once believed that Islam is just an exotic religion of camel riding Hollywood extras who wore towels on their heads are now reading and listening and learning that Islam is at war with us, has been at war with the world for 1400 years, has sent to us its Trojan Horses to conquer and dominate us.
    In a matter of WEEKS the mosque issue has awakened more Americans than one might have hoped would be accomplished in several years. The mosque issue has made it clear to America where its president's heart lies. It has identified politicians such as Bloomberg as the blind man that he is. It has identified American based Muslim organizations funded by fundamentalist Saudis with an objective to destroy us. It is awakening America to how Islam has been funding our universities and making its influence there.

    I am grateful to the manipulating Rauf for making it clear to the growing number of Americans who won't wear blinders where he and his fellow conspirators stand. Three cheers for the mosque that will never be!

  • MMcFM

    No one has said it yet, Bloomberg's political future is gone.

    • New Yorker

      And so it should be for the vain, self-righteous, know-it-all, power obsessed man, who has actually changed our city for the worse. Despite the veneer of order, there is a very suffocating air about New York nowadays with people becoming less tolerant, restrictions on lifestyles multiplying, with the nosy, intrusive mayor and the council trying to dactate your every step of the way, all the while lecturing everyone around as if they were a retarded bunch, on what's best for them. This is a disgusting state of affairs, with New York becoming one of the most restrictive places in the nation.

      This is supposed to be our mayor who had no objection to naming a street in Queens after a drug dealer who had been shot in a confrontation with the police. And now this mosque…

    • No Sharia

      Yeah, he's toast. I'd like to know though what, if any, financial dealings he has with Islamic countries. There's something behind this other than the First Amendment. And most of the time it's good to follow the money.

      • kafir4life

        You got it! He's losing money hand over fist with his publishing in the US, and has found a new market for his trash in the M/E. Mikey (like Chuckles Schumer) are of the mind that if they feed the alligator, they won't get eaten.

  • Gunner57

    We had a chance to stop them on 9/12 but the feckless GWB instead of saying all Muslim immigration must be halted when the entire country would have supported him, told the American people that Islam was a “religion of peace”, instructing Americans to go pray in their churches, synagogues, and MOSQUES sealing our doom. Now we have Obama to aid them in their jihad against us.

    Now their invasion of our country continues in ever record breaking numbers while the left including the media is now supporting them to the point where their last Supreme Court judge, Kagan, has actually backed Sharia law in the past. Mosques have been sprouting like mushrooms and we are engaged in an insane debate over a mosque being built to commemorate the followers of Muhammad and their victory at Ground Zero.

    Islam is mainly a political ideology not a religion simply concerned with saving souls while doing God’s will. There are as many Buddhists in America as Muslims yet they bother no one and there is no controversy…continued

  • Gunner57

    The Ground Zero mosque drives this point home. What religion would demand that their place of “worship” has to be at this location under these circumstances when, unfortunately, they could build it anywhere else. The reason is they want to make a political statement to celebrate their victory at Ground Zero.

    We must stop the invasion and stop ALL Muslim immigration and start deporting all those who follow Muhammad’s commands to wage eternal jihad and impose Sharia law on all of mankind
    .
    Meanwhile, stop letting them build facilities to help them wage their war on us. No more mosques.

    Take to the streets to be heard.

    • No Sharia

      Most Likely, Gunner 57, because Islam is not a religion. It is a political ideology which is the most cruel, oppressive, misogynist, bloodthirsty, and BTW ridiculous the world has ever known.

    • http://imataxpayertoo.wordpress.com kathy

      …and then there is the shrine they are trying to build at the site where Flight 93 went down in PA. That has been going on for some time…fool me once…but you won't fool me twice…

  • BS1977

    Religioius freedom is not absolute. Jim Jones Peoples Temple is an example of the horror of brainwashing cultic evil……We do not want the GZ mosque to be moved….we don't want any more mosques…..Sharia law is completely incompatible with our COnstitution, our guaranteed rights as a people, our liberties and freedoms. Islam cannot co exist with modern Western civiilzations. End of story. You want the People's Temple or animal sacrifice, the stoning of women or the beheading of apostates? Go live somewhere else and practice your Hell religion. See the film The Stoning of Soraya M…..read Darwish, Sharia for Dummies…..wake up and smell the coffee.

  • Chezwick_Mac

    Kirkpatrick makes a salient argument. But the counter-argument might be as follows…

    The cat's already out of the bag, there are literally thousands of mosques in the USA. It's the wrong time and place to express a broad opposition to all mosques…the right strategy, but the wrong tactics in the here-and-now.

    The psychological importance of THIS mosque is such that we need all the ammunition we can get, and expressing a blanket opposition to all mosque-building would validate the arguments of those in favor of the GZM, that our opposition is not based on "sensitivity" but rather a broad-based bigotry. Doing so might just tip the balance of forces to the other side and the GZM may become a reality.

    Let's win THIS battle. Stop THIS mosque. Then we can build on the momentum and work towards the day when Islam is perceived in America as a political rather than religious entity.

  • tanstaafl

    A mosque is not a church. A mosque can be any (or all) of the following – a munitions storehouse, a safe house for Muslims wanted by a decadent kuffar government, a recruitment center for the jihad, an indoctrination center, a building used for political operations, a command and control center for the on-going jihad, a location of a money laundry operation, a bomb making factory, a torture chamber, etc.

    • Shirts r us

      Indeed. A mosque is not even a religious structure…it is a place where they teach the Koran, and the koran teaches them ALL to kill the infadel and conquer the earth…to achieve one world, unified moslem conquest. Its a shame that everyone thinks Islam is a religion…it is not and never will be.

    • http://imataxpayertoo.wordpress.com kathy

      And I have to say…this is the first time in I can't remember how long, that I hear the left screaming "religious rights". I find that very interesting, since…they really don't do it for anyone else. Well, maybe for atheists they will.

  • New Yorker

    Did the hateful comments of DrDjjl pass the approval? Why would my comment be subject to censorship?

    • No Sharia

      Mine are gone too, New Yorker. I guess the First Amendment only applies to Muslims.

  • No Sharia

    Hey, I have a great idea. Let's get some pork chops and spread them around the area where the Victory 9/11 Mosque is planned. When they all run screaming like the cowards they are, we can have a pork barbeque. Solves the problems and creates a picnic too. See how it all works out?

  • Roro

    Why should we try to oppose Muslims' building of other mosques?

  • kentek

    If you think there are moderate Muslims you just don't know enough about Islam.
    And, tanstaafl is correct: a mosque can be anything they want it to be. Think city hall with bombs.

  • Shirts r us

    READ THE BOOK WHY WE WANT TO KILL YOU by Walid Shoebat. Yes that is his real name. An ex-terrorist himself who converted to Western traditions and the American way of life, and Christianity.

    He tells all, and yet 99% of Americans are fooled by moslem's sly ways. Wake up America, before you become overun like Norway, France and England. You think it can not possibly happen?

    Ask a frenchmen or an englishmen, if they ever thoughht they would be over-run with moslems some 20 years ago…WAKE THE H*&L up!

  • voted against carter

    Here is the "solution" concerning what to do about the "islamafication of America"

    Can we say "THE CRUSADES" ?

    Seemed to work pretty well the last time we used them. We didn't get a jehad on a regular bases for what, 8-900 years. Take a page from history.

    islam IS NOT a "religion". It IS a life belief system.

    If they keep pushing it muslims will be amazed at how fast islam-O-phobia takes root all across America. They have planted the seeds themselves. Just a few more terrorist attacks ought to do it.

    • trickyblain

      "islam IS NOT a "religion". It IS a life belief system."

      Absurd. It's also an afterlife belief system = religion.

      Y'all need to get past the "Islam is not a religion" thing. It is. It's the very essense of religion and all of the terrible things that go along with pretending one knows the will of the unknowable.

      • fmobler

        Right. Islam is a religion. I agree. But it is complete rubbish to implicate religion in the "terrible things that go along with pretending one knows the will of the unknowable." Muslims are careful not to claim they know the will of Allah. For them, he is inscrutable. They will even say that Mohamed himself did not know whether he would be saved. The problem is not in trying to reason with God about his will — this is the Judeo-Christian tradition. The problem is the nihilism that Islam and Atheism share, which basically says we can not know anything definite about our creator (except that he either is inaccessible or non-existent).

        Nihilism in either form leads to totalitarian behavior. We either get "we know better, we have scientists on our team" progressivism or we get "kill them and let Allah sort it out" Islam. Largely absent in both cases is the serious conversations that go on all the time in Judaism, Christianity and for that matter the other serious moral tradition of Buddhism.

  • Shirts r us

    Moslems are using our weaknesses as a spring board to get their foot in the door…the invasion has begun, and thanks to stupid liberals and all people P.C. they will soon overthrow this country. Remeber, that is their ultimate goal. SHARIA LAW ALL OVER THE WORLD.

    WAKE UP ALL YOU BLITHERING IDIOTS!

  • fmobler

    Wow. You really don't get it. Jewish communities have not been sources people who get on airplanes and blow themselves up, park cars packed with explosives on crowded streets, go on shooting sprees, drive their SUV's into crowds, behead their wives. Shall I continue? All of these things have happened in the US, perpetrated by US citizens and legal residents.

    The bare naked truth is that Islam in the US spawns a vastly disproportionate number of people who kill or try to kill for their ideology. Now, there is also the odd racist like the guy at the Smithsonian. And violence against abortionists does happen (I think twice in the last decade). But let's face it, Islam as we currently find it in America contributes completely out of proportion to ideological violence.

    I don't need to think that every Muslim is a potential terrorist (I don't) to see on a purely symptomatic level that their religion as it is practiced here in the US, is toxic.

  • tom1925

    Islam is no more a bonefide religion than was naziism, stalinism or mohammadanism. The Mosque should be bannned simply because it would not be a house of worship but a gathering place for conspirators against America. This world would be a far cleaner, safer and less disquieting without the constant clamor of Muslims threatening beheadings, murders, and a new holocaust. They are just begging to become martyrs to a failing cause.

    • No Sharia

      You're right, Tom. Islam is in fact a political ideology, the most cruel, misogynistic, bloodthirsty political system that the world has every known. Their goal, as stated in the Koran, is to establish a world-wide Caliphate with a tyrannical Ayatollah at its head. Mohammed was a warlord, not a religious figure. I don't think any true religion preaches death and violence. I further believe that Baraq Hussein Obama is a practicing Muslim. Every utterance from him about Islam supports them and degrades the US. He praises their contributions to this country and I can't thin of one.

  • http://www.crusaderknight.blogspot.com James Pawlak

    Islam is NOT a religion. It is an invented criminal-terrorist movement with clear and unalterable teachings which allow or encourage, and often command, the use of murder, rape & enslavement, genocide and the other horrors taught by the false-prophet Mohammed.

    MECCA DELENDA EST

  • Tryon

    Every time some liberal journo starts in with the standard tolerance lecture, stop him dead with the simple query: Have you read the Koran, mister? 98% have not.

  • Lorenzo Bouchard

    NO NEW MOSQUES, PERIOD!

    KOMEINI’S BOOK, TITLED “TAHIR-OL-MASAEL”.

    Mohammed’s words translated.

    When asked about his marriage to Aisha, which he betrothed in her sixth year, also visited her alone on occasion, and fully consummated sexually, in her ninth year.
    “A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby breast fed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, however other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
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  • Lorenzo Bouchard.

    PART 2.
    Since there are many Muslim's in our countries, there should be a Poll Tax on All Islamists, to counter act the tremendous costs of hosting individuals, who believe Mohammed's Deadly words.
    There must be a DEATH PENALTY, guaranteed IMPURE by Islam's standard, for all those who plan Mass Massacres, in accodance to Islam's Jihad policy through Mohammeds words.
    No AFTER LIFE BORDELO, as a reward for their Evil Acts, as per their belief system.
    All Mosques should be CLOSED, if it encourages and initiates Citizens Massacres, in the Host Countries.

    NO NEW MOSQUES BUILT,PERIOD.

  • traeh

    William Kilpatrick is right.

    Now if William Kilpatrick can suggest a viable legal strategy to contain Islam without running headlong into the Constitution and First Amendment, we'd be in great shape. Sedition and treason laws might or might not help, insofar as those laws seem to define "seditious" to mean the use of force or support for the use of force to overthrow or undermine the Constitution and the government. The problem then is that many Muslims seek to bring in Sharia and its ethos without use of force, gradually, by means of pressure groups, influence-buying, politics, demographic advance, conversions, stealth, etc. Current sedition laws, it seems, do not forbid advocacy for peaceful implementation of sharia. So how is it to be contained? We need constitutional lawyers to help forge viable legal strategies that will enable law-enforcement and political leaders to take action to contain sharia and thus Islam.

    • dajjal

      We must amend the Constitution to recognize the fact that Islam is a war cult, not a religion. Once we do that, we can outlaw it.

      On a parallel track, we can petition the world Court for enforcement of the provisions of ICERD, ICCPR & CPPCG which require that Islam be proscribed by law.

      See the petition links in the right sidebar at http://www.islamexposed.blogspot.com/

  • ratonis

    the notion that islam gave us science is a fraud or "political correctness." Islamic culture was a synthesis of good ideas invented by other people that they conquered. Much of their scholarship was actually performed by dhimmi Jews and Christians, and their numbers were ripped off from India (but are called "arabic" numerals. The architectural archetype of a mosque is the hagia sophia in instanbul, built by christians a century before old mo got his alleged revelations. Americans are gradually catching on.

  • suggestion

    Just ban religious funding from countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran that have no religious freedom. Call it the "religious freedom reciprocity act". Don't let people in those countries pay for mosques, Islamic centers, religious schools, college programs, etc. Make all Islamic institutions and programs be transparent about their funding. This would seriously slow them down, if not bring them to a halt.

  • JUSTICEFORALL

    ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION – IT IS AN IDEOLOGY AND IT REQUIRES A SET OF LAWS PUT ONTO THEIR ADHERENTS. THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF RELIGION OR OF THOUGHT. WOMEN ARE TREATED AS 3RD CLASS CITIZENS AND CAN BE MURDERED (BY LAPIDATION = STONING AND OTHER ABHORRENT METHODS (BEING BURIED UP TO THEIR HEAD OR THEIR WAIST) FOR THINGS LIKE WALKING WITH A MALE WHO IS NOT THEIR HUSBAND, IF A MAN CAN HEAR THEIR SHOES WHEN THEY WALK, ETC., ETC.). GOOGLE "SHARIA LAW" AND LEARN ABOUT IT! I READ ENGLAND ALREADY ADOPTED IT AND MANY ARE SORRY THEY DID! ALSO, GOOGLE GEERT WILDERS AND SEE WHAT HE SAYS ABOUT ISLAM. I HAVE READ THAT AN ITALIAN POLITICIAN STOPPED A MOSQUE BY WALKING HIS PET PIG AROUND THE SITE; IN SPAIN THEY STOPPED ONE FROM BEING BUILT BY BURYING A STILL-BORN PIGLET ON THE SITE OF THE MOSQUE. IS THAT TRUE?

  • Peace

    All of this controversy over this Cordoba-Victory-over-the-Infidels Mosque, complete with the name calling of bigot opposition, using the Infidel religious freedom laws, proves how wrong it is. I am still waiting to hear all of these geniuses explain why the CHURCH, which was already located there, and destroyed on 9-11, has been FORBIDDEN TO REBUILD! Zoning? Red Tape? What about OUR freedom of religion to build a church, there, for all of the same reasons they give to build a mosque?

    HAVEN"T HEARD A PEEP ABOUT THE CHURCH!

    Get used to walking on a sidewalk loaded with bacon to enter the mosque, if it's built.

    TALK ABOUT PORK SPENDING!

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