An Invented Tale?

William Kilpatrick is the author of Christianity, Islam and Atheism:  The Struggle for the Soul of the West (Ignatius Press) and Insecurity (Post Hill Press).


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Every now and then you hear calls from critics of Islam for Islam to reform itself—for mosques and madrassas to teach against the Islamic doctrines that inspire terrorists. A dramatic example of this demand occurs in the film Fitna when Geert Wilders invites Muslims to tear the offending pages out of the Koran. In one scene you can hear the sound of tearing pages in the background.

If thy page offend thee, pluck it out? The only trouble with this sort of recommendation is that it assumes that there is enough positive material in the Koran and other foundational documents to form the basics for a reformation. But is there?

According to Moorthy Muthuswamy, an expert on political Islam, “61 percent of the Koran talks ill of unbelievers or calls for their violent conquest and subjugation, but only 2.6 percent talks about the overall good of humanity.” Hmmm. Seems as though that would amount to an awful lot of offending pages.

It’s a similar story when you turn to the sira, the biographies of Muhammad. Take the earliest of these, the one written by Ibn Ishaq. Of the 130 short chapters which detail the life of Muhammad after his arrival in Medina, over 70 are about raids, battles, and assassinations or else they are about preparations for raids and battles, division of spoils, odes upon battles, names of those who fought, etc. According to a content analysis done by Bill Warner of the Center for the Study of Political Islam, at least 75% of the sira is about jihad. These are inconvenient facts for those who hope Islam can be reformed. No matter how reform-minded you may be, it is difficult to come up with a symbolic interpretation of the Koran’s numerous calls to make war on unbelievers, since that was literally what Muhammad did.

So, rather than encourage Muslims to remove the violent and hateful parts of the Koran, it might make more sense to encourage them to renounce it in toto. The “good” parts of the Koran are so bound up with the “bad” parts that trying to separate them is an impossible task. Besides, there is no warrant in Islamic tradition for picking and choosing. Islamic authorities say that the Koran given to Muhammad is a replica of the original which is inscribed on “imperishable” tablets in heaven. And, just for the record, “imperishable” beats “set in stone” by a wide margin. Talking of reforming Islam by re-interpreting the Koran is like talking about reforming a marble statue. Some things don’t lend themselves to reformation.

Of course, asking Muslims to totally reconsider the Koran is no piece of cake, either. It’s a hard sell, to be sure. But then, none of the “soft” sell solutions appear to be working. Over the last decade or so we’ve tried:

  • The democracy solution (which has led to numerous Islamist victories at the polls)
  • The secular solution (the belief that Muslims would happily exchange burqas for bikinis)
  • The assimilation solution (the belief that, given the chance, Muslims would prefer to blend into the multicultural soup)
  • The appeasement solution (once Muslims see that we’re willing to give them everything they ask for, they’ll be satisfied and will stop making demands)

All these solutions assume that Muslims suffer from a sense of inferiority over their religion and culture. That may have been true fifty years ago when Islam appeared to be going nowhere, but now that Islam is on the move, the opposite is true. Muslims feel a sense of superiority about Islam. Faced with a choice between the best that the secular West has to offer, and the splendor and certainty of the Koran, they choose the Koran. Therefore, any adequate response to the threat from Islam has to be based not on shoring-up the self-esteem of believing Muslims but on breaking it down. The most direct way to do this is to shake their faith in the Koran as the revealed word of God.

You may counter that it’s nearly impossible to change deeply held beliefs, but, as I maintained in a previous piece, history demonstrates time and again that deeply held beliefs are not nearly as deeply held as they appear. What happened to the deeply held beliefs of the devotees of Zeus and Jupiter? What happened to the deeply held beliefs of the Millerites, Rappites, and Shakers? And, more recently, what happened to the deeply held beliefs of European Christians? It’s ironic that our society which is so committed to change, nevertheless insists on the unchangeability of other people’s beliefs. It’s one of the legacies of multiculturalism that we have come to believe that our own culture is infinitely malleable, while simultaneously believing that non-Western cultures are infinitely immutable. And since we think Muslim beliefs can never be changed, we never suggest that they ought to be changed.

It’s decidedly in the interest of non-Muslim societies to cast doubts on the Koran. Having said that, I disagree with the idea that simply exposing the violent or hateful messages of the Koran is enough to discredit it. Maybe God really does hate unbelievers. It’s much more to the point to raise doubts about the divine authorship of the Koran.

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  • http://www.urantiabook.org/ Human

    Only ignorant and innocent peoples do not adopt the divine book Koran.Our planet has been victim of so much irregularities more than 500,000 years ago.The unfaithful rulers 'Satan' and 'Caligastia' are powerful enough to harm innocent human beings.
    We can not fight with them until this whole planet earth (called Urantia) reject 'Satan' and accept another one being sent from God. We can not fight against Caligastia until we follow certain principles which discourages Caligastia's intention to influence human souls.Refer book.

    The planet Earth will not get better untill we all accept Muhammad (Infinite Spirit) as the Prophet of God and follow the principles of Quran to defend ourselves against the Devil (Lucifer-already imprisoned, Satan & Caligastia)

    • Clay Cole

      Very revealing for the distain you have for those who do not believe as you do.

    • maria

      Giving himself the name "Human".
      That's the problem with the Koran, it is not Humane.

      • Kevin

        No, not the Quran.

        Earth is called Urantia by Nation of Islam, not the true Islam.
        Human here is, sadly, one of those benighted black men who have swallowed Farrakhan's lies.

        You did notice he called Muhammad "pure spirit"? That is not Muslim…

        But for the record, William is right, but only by half. The only way to discredit the Quran is by preaching Christ, and him crucified. Islam is a through-going Christian heresy, Muslims are hoodwinked and mis-educated about what the Bible truly teaches. It is only The Truth who will set them free.

        • guestspeaker

          and Kevin, when preaching Christ-quote Him and the Bible because it is His words that have power, not ours……or theirs.

    • Vic

      your basic problem here is that Muhammad is not the prophet of God, he is the prophet of Allah. Allah is not God! It's basic,its fundamental to our understanding of who & what Muslims/islam is.

      • guestspeaker

        Sorry, Muhammad wasn't a prophet at all. He 'created' himself either from his own imagination or a fallen angel was sent to deceive him. The Lord is always in charge, even over the wicked.

        The Bible explains how 'prophets' accomplish the work of authentic prophecy so for anyone reading here, don't think for one second that anything in Islam is of the Lord because you'd be wrong.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/RogueWave24 RogueWave24

      And what mental hospital have you just been released from? Did you enjoy your stay?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/swathdiver swathdiver

      Islam is a totalitarian political movement with the same goals as communism. Both are designed to conquer the world and kill those who will not submit. More importantly they separate people from God. Indeed, it was Karl Marx's intention to do so. Both are EVIL.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Red_Ruffansore Red_Ruffansore

      Ah a follower of Screwy Calipso Lewey who figured out how to bilk the black cattle class out of money and live like an emperor. Good for you bubby, just remember that in Saudi Arabia and Iran, as a black muslim, you don't even rate second class. Man, even your own crew is shoving you to the back of the bus, that's got to chaffe your shorts.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/SECREV SECREV

      Eh?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/jstan442 jstan442

      have you ever read the Bible?? there is beauty and truthfulness in the Bible-for instance who was the first person to see the Lord and then told the apostles that He is risen? a woman-something that rings true because women were treated as lesser people than men at that time-why would the Bible state that it was a woman who first saw Christ? to show that we are equal to man-that's not the way of islam-women are treated shamefully -without love,consideration etc.-sad-id don't think there is any love in your religion just hate-hate for life and those you think are less than you—God is love-He loves your people and wants them to know who He is–for your own eternal soul-pray to know the truth and He will answer!!

  • Huffer

    Sorry "Human", only people who have not learned the word of God (YHWH) would accept such a distortion of truth and fact. Mohammed was the exact example of what happens to men who reject the true word of God. They start to believe what Satan told Eve about becoming God herself. Always remember: "The path to heaven is narrow and few will find it."
    No matter how many (thousands or even millions) try to change God's word, He is still the same yesterday,today and tomorrow. God is Spirit and his lessons of life are spiritual as, too, the rewards of heaven are spiritual. A promise of laying in bed with 72 virgins is a joke Satan has played on millions of men. This puts Islam in a bad light of thinking with your penis,not with your heart. Islam is a tool Satan uses to try to destroy God's Creation. Love and respect for ones Creator is a personal thing,not group mayhem on those misguided souls who have not yet come to that realization.
    God teaches love for one another,not torture and death! That is Satan's wish.
    Please open the word of God and see what the real rewards for loving Him, and others like you, love yourself….!

  • Clay Cole

    I think one of the proofs of the weakness of the koran is the fact that in nations controlled by Muslims it is illegal to have a holy book of any other religion. Muslim leaders use outside force to have their populations believe the koran. The only other system I know of that makes it illegal to have holy books of any religion is communism.

    People who are Christians, Jews, Buddist, Hindus ect need to hold muslims to the same standard of schoolarship for the koran that is held for say the Bible.

    I am a Christian. The koran is diametericly opposed to both the New and Old Testiments. Since I believe the Bible to be the reveal revealtion of God that He inspried men to write, I have come to the conclusion that the koran is either inspired by Satan or the writings of the biggest narrsisst ever to live.

    • leonidas

      The sword on the Saudi flag is to keep the muslims in line reminding them that they will be killed if they leave islam,and for the "Infidels" that they should expect the Muslims to appear on their shores as soon as they get the chance!Jihad is for world conquest that the Koran mandates.YOU CAN TRUST THE MUSLIMS to do to you what the Kora says.READ THE KORAN.Go to "Muslims against Sharia "and read all 455 pages of the Koran.It can be done in a week end!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/malinse malinse

      You are correct. There is a graph called Mohammed's Hockey Stick http://docstalk.blogspot.com/2010/03/mohammeds-ho… that shows the spread of the religion called Islam. In the first 13 years the Mohammed's method of persuasion was intelectual convincing. He managed just 150 converts. Then Mohammed changed his methods of persuasion and added lethal force, jihad, to his strategy and his captives, er "converts" numbered 240 thousand in the next ten years.

  • tim heekin

    because islam is inherently foolish, unproductive and stupid the most effective action to render the abrogation of the ideology would be sustained ridicule. Of course this will effect a violent response from the nihilists but, what's new! Those will simply have to be killed and/or wait until they die. Meanwhile the likes of Zacharia Botros can continue their noble efforts………. Remember, muslims look at Satan differently than the unbelievers. Muslims consider Satan to be the great deceiver, the one who exposes islam and leads the believers away from the mission of control ordained by the moon-god, Allah. (Muslims don't have a particular problem with the devils incarnate such as Hitler, Stalin, etc.) In this muslims are correct. Islam cannot stand up to ispection as noted in this fine article and the embarrassment resulting from sustained ridicule will be an irresistible force. I would suggest we could start with a nice YouTube sitcom involving Achmed and his retail outlet, "Achmed's Artillery and Lingerie". …….somebody give Dennis MIller a call. Remember the Ayatollah Khomeini has told us, "There is no fun in Islam"

    • leonidas

      For ridicule to be effective we need to go to google->"muslims against sharia"and print the 12 page summary of all the cruel,savage,barbaric verses of the Koran,keep tem in our pocket and show them to our friends and muslims and see how they can defend them.Tell muslim women to leave Islam as it has nothing for women except torture,genital mutilation,burkas for mobile prisons,loss of freedom and dignity.This has been going on against the women for 1400 years already.When the women revolt ,Islam will collapse the same way the Soviet Union did when the people just turned their backs on Communism!

  • potkas7

    There is a case to be made that Islam, rather than an authentic revelation, is a mish-mash of post-second temple Judaism and the Nestorian confession of Christianity. A possibility which led the philosopher Franz Rosenzweig to once characterize Islam as "The Great Plagiarism."

    J.S. Mill, in his essay On Liberty, points out that a problem arises when a religion goes "mainstream." Since a heretic's death is no longer to be feared, most adherents don't actually study the fundamental tenets of their faith but are satisfied with only a superficial understanding of their "most closely held beliefs." The problem arises when those beliefs are challenged. Then, unable to defend their faith with reasoned argument, they resort to violence. I'd say that is exactly where we are today with Islam.

    The best way to deal with Islam is to challenge their truth claims and demand they offer proof. We could start by insisting Islam make available to scholars the 7th Century manuscript found in a mosque in Yemen in the same way Judaism has made the Dead Sea Scrolls available for study.

  • Realist

    The truth is that we should all question the non-scientific premises of all religions. From that point of view, Islam is just a priority. Who really believes in the myth of Adam and Eve on which Redemption of the human race is to be based? Almost everything that has been said above about Islam applies to all other superstitious belief.

    Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?

    • Stern

      Because, Realist, Islam is the only religion that currently aims to spread itself through violence. That should be clear to anybody without a "beam" in their eye.

    • Kevin

      It is the hypocrite who quotes those he considers wrong or foolish.

      The Bible, or rather the truths taught within it, has and will always reveal its own truth in our own hearts.

      And I will also remind you that the "superstition" that finds it's source in the Bible is what gave you your vaunted "science".

  • andres de alamaya

    The original victims of Islam are its billion plus devotees. The repressive negativity of the Koran has hijacked a billion people, made them serfs to a monster, has until the discovery of oil in some of their states relegated them to poverty and backwardness and now, with the funds from this oil, is promoting this political disease to conquer the entire world. Their programmed from infancy determination to push, push, push, will lead to a backlash in which many innocents will suffer.

  • USMCSniper

    All religions require blind belief, belief unsupported by, or contrary to, the facts of reality and the conclusions of reason. Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason. But you must remember that religion is an early form of philosophy, that the first attempts to explain the universe, to give a coherent frame of reference to man's life and a code of moral values, were made by religion, before men graduated or developed enough to have philosophy. And, as philosophies, some religions have very valuable moral points. They may have a good influence or proper principles to inculcate, but in a very contradictory context and, on a very – how should I say it? – dangerous or malevolent base: on the ground of faith. [Playboy interview with Ayn Rand]

    • Realist

      Agreed. One needs to see Islam as an essentially political movement with Sharia being a mix of constitutional law and jurisprudence. That is why ridiculing it is a priority particularly as it intends to spread itself by force and undermining Western society. No one doubts that some religions have very valuable moral points but let's not pretend that it wasn't man who created god(s). Ridicule can apply to all faiths in view of the progress science has made. Please, no ad hominem arguements folks! Just tell us whether the earth is 6000 years old and whether there was some sort of test Homo sapiens sapiens had to take in a garden somewhere.

      • Clay Cole

        You know not very many Christians believe that the world is 6,000 years old. You want to stop ad hominen attacks, then use something that is not believed by 10% of Christian to try to make Christians look foolish and ignorant.

      • Jordan

        Wow i didn't know the Koran was intinded for politics, was that in its opening thesis? Gee we all know that the book of Genesis is Full of Allegory's… There moral principles that are broken down into simple forms so the mass can understand God… kinda like your scientific approach, you must teach a toddler 2+2=4 before you teach them E=MC2. In regards to your 6000 years question, that is some radical bible thumpers mis-understanding of the bible, their false. we all know science proved the earths age, but we didn't "create science" God did.

        • Realist

          The Ayatollah Khomeini himself said that Islam is nothing if not political. With no separation between Church and State and the belief that there must be unity under a Caliphate, I rest my case. What could have been the original "test" that led to Original Sin and the Fall, after millions of years of Evolution, someone???. Ridicule of Islam involves ridicule of every other faith (not just Christianity). No point telling me that only 10% of Christians believe in the Garden of Eden. believing that 2+2=5 makes lots of people happy.

          See Islam as a political threat to the progress brought about by the European Enlightenment and act accordingly.

          • Jordan

            So then according to Khomeini, Islam needed politics more so than the Allah with which I thought they believe in? As for the original test… you must understand what an allegory is, that is enough to answer your original test question. So my question to you is, are we debating religion on the basis of its validity/truth or the social corruption of the "Political Islam"…?

          • Realist

            Any movement aiming at worldwide domination under the central domination of a caliph is politcal in its essence. Period. No, talking about an allegory does NOT answer my question about Homo sapiens sapiens being subjected to and failing any test, with consequences for all humanity.
            Why one or the other? Islam is an essentially political-religious movement which, like Marxism has no scientific basis.

    • kevinthedesert

      Here here. In the beginning there was nothing. Nothing exploded and became dust and energy expanding in the universe (which is like a big place where nothing exists), cooling, gradually condensing into suns with planets orbiting around them with water and atmosphere. Then the dust got wet and lighting struck it (and other stuff) and then it became a living creature, able to reproduce, eat, and create comment postings on articles about all religions (which require blind faith, which is the reason why they're all false).

      WIth all respect, sir.
      K.

    • Jordan

      Unfortunately your very wrong, faith alone recquires the essence of the human minds reason. Reason; being the thought/contemplation that tells you what is and is not truth. If you only acted on faith alone you are detrimental to your own belief and human kind… I agree with you on that. But to try and say that religion recquires a "Blind Belief" or blind faith is an oxymoron, faith in its own meaning recquires your understanding. to have a belief in something is a conviction… correct? so then you can assume "logically" that ones belief/religion is an unrested persuit of truth, reason supersedes faith, one must understand before their faith is valid, therefore only one religion can be truth. Science is evidence to this, there isn't multi-truths, mis-informed or illogical thinking is why many religions are false and yes very detrimental.
      I quote the late Pope John Paul II
      "Faith and reason are like two wings on which the human spirit rises to the contemplation of truth; and God has placed in the human heart a desire to know the truth- in a word, to know himself- so that, by knowing and loving God, men and women may also come to the fullness of truth about themselves."

      • USMCSniper

        Our problem is our failure to address questions of meaning and morality through science has now become the most common justification for religious faith. It is also the primary reason why so many secularists and religious moderates feel obligated to “respect” the hardened superstitions of their more devout neighbors.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/swathdiver swathdiver

      Might I suggest that you read the Preamble to the US Constitution? That's the document you took an oath to uphold and defend. Once you're through with that, learn about America's greatest warrior, his own words, George Washington, and let us then know what you think.

  • elixelx

    Nothing says "Change your ways…or else" like a fission weapon!

  • Denver

    So a Rabbi, Priest, and Buddha go into a bar… One reason Islam cannot succeed is that its adherents have no humor. Over 70% of the Koran is about destroying unbelievers. Contrast Christianity's Jesus who always had children around him. What attracts children to any adult? Happiness… Laughter… Empathy… Understanding,Tolerance and Forgiveness.

    • Peachey

      Within Islam, at no time does the pagan moon-god "love" his followers,or care for their lives.

    • American

      Yes. The only time children were around the so called false Prophet and murderous loon was when they were being raped by the old man Mohammed. Deny it all you want but he glorified his actions at every turn. He was and is trash.

  • Marty

    The koran is hate speech and a promoter of violence. Its authors, the pedophile mohamad and allah the moon deity sanctified brutality and genocide. There is no reason to tolerate the most destructive document in history.

  • flyingtiger

    Prophet Mohammad never existed. The Koran is a book of lies written 2 centuries after Mos alleged existance. The best thing we can do for moslems is to give them a bible and convert then to Christianity.
    You wouldn't believe how many born again Christians object to what I have said.

    • Peachey

      "convert"-Christianity is a voluntary relationship with the Lord. You cannot force anyone to love, obey and have a relationship with G-d. Being created by G-d does not make you a child of G-d, only a spirit-filled relationship with G-d does.

  • tjm308

    I have picture in my house that shows Jesus playing soccer with some boys and girls and have a great time. I don't make great claims to being Christian, but I put that picture there because of the joy it gives me. Find a Muslim house hold with anything close to it.

    I spent 7 years in Muslim countries and my wife, (a native Syrian) over 40 and we agree Islam is a religion of sheer dogma – try to debate any part of it and you could find your life threaten. I can pick any religion that exist on earth to believe in — I think I'll stick with that image of a Jesus playing soccer.

    • filthykafir

      Mohammed did too play with children. Just ask his (nine-year-old) "wife" Aisha.

  • Edisa

    tjm–you are seeing a good picture. After He rose from the dead, Jesus met with His friends at the beach, who had gone fishing. Jesus cooked breakfast for them. Read the Gospel of John, chapter 21.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    First, we should ban and reverse all Muslim immigration. We didn’t let millions of Communists immigrate and infiltrate our countries during the Cold War because it would have been suicidal. We shouldn’t let millions of Muslims immigrate and infiltrate our countries today because it is likewise suicidal, as the Global Jihad is the new Cold War of this new century.

    Second, we should take away the Muslims oil assets from them because they are using the profits derived from those oil assets to pursue Global Jihad against the free non-Islamic world.

    Third and lastly, we should isolate the Islamic world as much as possible, because without the profits derived from oil production, which they were dependent upon the West to produce for them, Islamic civilization will inevitably revert back into abject poverty and backwardness as Islamic civilization is incapable of producing anything on its own other than misery and suffering, and there is no condition other than abject poverty that will work any better to help Muslims to come to the realization of how so mentally bankrupt and hollow their faux religion really is.

  • Roger the waiter

    Cultural personality of arab society came before the Koran. The Koran only inscribed their preexisting beliefs and could thereby be used to justify their future actions, like ongoing Jihad.

    Literacy has always been the greatest threat to Arab society, and always will be. The Koran admits this throughout by referring to unbelievers as "people of the book." It is likely from the evidence, but not proven, that the great library of Alexandria in Egypt, was destroyed by command of the invading Arab armies around 600 AD. Arab countries prohibited the printing press from import and use until the 19th century, and even then, only to reprint the Koran. In the 20th century, in advanced Arab countries like Egypt, presses and later photocopy machines had to be licensed and were strictly controlled. And today, the 21st century, carrying a Bible in a Muslim country is a major crime, as is the celebration of Christmas. There was no inhibition about starting a war on Yom Kippur.

    Literacy is Islam's greatest threat, like water on the witch of the East: "I'm melting!" But today's petrodollars are its life-giving and freedom-destroying umbilical cord.

  • Roger the waiter

    Literacy, and a basic understanding of the Koran, would lead to utter confusion among its followers, at least to those who can count. Muslims take credit for giving Moses the Torah!

    Qur'an 4:153 Surah An-Nisaa (The Women)
    The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle) for they said: "Show us Allah in public" but they were dazed for their presumption with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so We forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority.

    Qur'an 3:64-71 Surah Ale-'Imran (The Family of 'Imran)
    Say: "O people of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: that we worship none but Allah; . . .

    It is the wish of a section of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they shall lead astray (not you) but themselves and they do not perceive!

    Ye People of the Book! Why reject ye the Signs of Allah of which ye are (yourselves) witnesses?

    Assimilation of Muslims in Judeo-Christian society? Good luck!

  • watchful

    The problem with Islam is that you must SURRENDER. This means surrendering your disbelief and your ability to think rationally. If you look with your own eyes and see three apples but the Koran says there are seven you must not believe your own lying eyes. If you do believe what you see you could lose your life. Billions of irrational people who have been forced to surrender upon threat of death, given an existence lower than an animal, no promise of love, forgiveness or any self-chosen happiness here on earth and the only thing they have is hope that all that sex with 72 virgins will make this hell on earth worthwhile. The women are not promised anything in particular but after having to live with this crap called Islam for one's existence heaven might just very well be apartheid for women. Muslim men are not known for their loyalty to women.

    The only way to deal with a mindset like that is with force. That, they recognized and respect. The strongest tribe is the one they want to join.

    I agree that most Muslims are not fit to live in the U.S. They are here to in some way contribute to the spread of Islam and take us down so that they can be superior over us. It is suicide to keep letting them into this country as if we knew nothing about them. If we must let in Middle easterners then why not the Christians who could help us as well as save their lives?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/RogueWave24 RogueWave24

    Beautiful article, William. I am going to direct as many of my Christian friends to it as I can.

  • GodsSeer

    How anyone could believe in a deceiver a god who would deceive Mother Mary into believing Her Son died on the cross and all the Good men who Followed Jesus into seeing and reporting all those events and then placing another man in Jesus place with the bloody stripes He received is a giant farce requiring a giant imagination.

    Then tell us the adulterous affair of Mohammad and Zaynab was in the eternal book millions of years before Mohammad was born? And because of that affair, orphans now cannot be adopted.

    Then we are to swallow the lie that Mohammad abrogated 63% of God's word in 23 short years after Mohammad received it and corrected Allah's mistakes. I wonder if Allah had to change the Mother book AFTER Mohammad edited it? PUUULLLEEEEZZZEEEE give me a Mosque break!

  • leonidas

    ;Koran says women are to be beaten,killed if they "dishonor"their husbands,they are worth half of a man,are considered "filthy"in the Koran,have to wear Burkas and never show their face outside their house and are punished or killed if not accompanied by a family male member.Divorce is easy for men,they keep the children and can have 4 wives that theycan change at any time without Alimony.The divorced woman uneducated and shunned by her family ,as dishonored ,ends up either a beggar,a prostitute,or a slave somewhere or becomes a suicide bomber.Clitoridectomies are performed on muslim women to prevent virginity loss!This is the living Hell for almost half of the Muslim population who live in constant fear of their male relatives.
    Go to google"muslims against Sharia" and read and print the 12 pages that have all the savage ,cruel,barbaric,inhuman pasages in the Koran.E-mail to all your friends,and keep a copy in your pocket to show and discuss with friends,muslims,politicians.Stop Muslim immigration,expel muslim soldiers from the military,and government.Do not buy Muslim oil ,protect and help liberate muslim women and save Civilization.It can be done!

  • Raymond in DC

    Maimonides, the eminent 12th century Jewish philosopher and teacher, had some rather choice words about the Islam under which he lived, its cruelty toward the Jews, and about Mohammed who he characterized as "meshugah" – mentally disturbed. Maimonides was, we should recall, the leading physician of his time.

    No doubt Muslims will now proceed to seek out his works so they can be burned.

  • Weiserite

    Great observations. The Koran is sonorous to Muslims, but it is shallow, sterile, disjointed, and has nothing profound in it when compared to the Hebrew and Christian scripture.

    Anyone, believer or not, with an elementary acquaintance with the Judeo Christian scripture who takes an even cursory look at the Koran can see this huge difference.

    But our education system doesn't teach us, our kids and our own elites anything at all about the underpinnings of our Western civilization nor instill in us any pride in its wonderful achievements.

    So we let Muslims prattle on, unchallenged, about the supposed greatness and perfection of what is really a boring, dry, empty document and also the explantion of their backwardness.

  • Steve Borkowski

    The problem of fundamentalists of any religion is CERTAiNTY where there are no facts.
    I challenge all religious leaders throughout the world to prove by empirical means the existence of their god. I bet that most would admit that they can't just like Billy Graham admitted to Larry King almost 3 years ago. If we we could arrive at a universal agreement that Faith is not Fact, we should be able to agree that religion should be taught in schools as a part of History classes as long as all teachers disclose that they are unbiased and cannot favor any one religion because they cannot prove God as a fact.
    I believe only mental patients would commit suicide even though know that heaven is not factual. The object is a world in which everyone knows they don't know anything about a Creator.

    • malinse

      Steve. You have opened the Great Problem. God is a Spirit. It is impossible to understand him, see him, or even believe in him in the flesh (material world) without The Door (Jesus) being opened to himself (by his Holy Spirit). Man died spiritually in the beginning (Eden). He doesn't look for God, or even believe in him without God mercifully revealing himself. He did this by visiting man through his word (the scriptures) and his son Jesus. Now I know what you are thinking; "I'm insane for believing in this 1500 year old fairy tale" but that's because of the Great Problem you find yourself in. Pray God will reveal himself to you.

  • Jaime

    If Islam is so great why Obama does not fly in airplanes designed and built by Moslems (are there any?) or ride in cars designed and built by Moslems? The presiedent of Iran recently bought an armored pasenger car designed and built by Israelis in China. I guess he did not trust his countymen or anyh other Moslem to provide him with an adequate alternate.

  • adriancain93

    Here is the Humor.
    Pt. One:

    Evil is Cowardly and Cannot Stand to be Mocked. And: Do What if They Can't Take a Joke?

    The Muslim Militant is the one killing you, the Muslim extremeist is the making the death threats, the Musim Moderate is the one explaining why you, unfortunately, deserve it. According to Immutable Law.

  • hunt2546@aol. com

    Islam is simply the male superego undeveloped, unevolved, unrefined, let go rampant and berserk. When liberals, who hate the male superego, realize this, here's what they'll do: surrender. Their cowardice and fear of force doom the west. Prepare for the caliphate, but hedge your bet by praying the Chinese have the guts to do what we in the west cannot even conceive of.

    • Malinse

      Now why can't I have said that? Excellent!

  • Big Elk

    Fatwa: where mohammedanism rules; the land turns to desert and God hates muslims and mohammedans and their evil and satanistic followers.

    the fictious "god" allah is the moon god of the evil prophet mohamed's arab tribe. mohammedans are a genetically inferior, sub-human race decended from pigs and monkeys. islam is a gutter religion and most muslim men are cowards and sodomites.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/malinse malinse

    That's an easy one. The Koran and Islam need to constantly defend itself because it has to keep reinventing itself. Islam today is nothing like it was centuries ago, except for the violence and tyranny. The history of continual bickering and contention between the different brands of Islam is the same as secular power struggles. At best Islam is a system of government that uses religion to bend the governed will to it's authority through fear, such as the Catholic Church did during it's first 1300 years. Look at Mohammed's "hockey stick" if you want to see the reality of Islam.

  • malinse

    John Quincy Adams on Islam:
    THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST.- TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE…. Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant … While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men."

    (Capitals are in the original — the boldfacing has been added for this blog post.)
    by Robert Spencer
    The behavior of radical Islamist terrorists has nothing to do with Iraq or Israel. It's been going on since the seventh century.

  • dummkopf

    The moon with its crater-studded face appeals to Muslims because they
    believe their profet had been there, hugging "her" out of his propensity for
    molestation, and so they worshiped "her" first as "Aliyah" the moon-goddess,
    which later became Allah(the supremely unamable).