Christianity and Cultural Survival


The rise of Islam in Europe has been linked to a decline in Christianity and to a resulting loss of population. Does that mean that the U.S., a churchgoing nation with a healthy birth rate, is relatively immune to Islamization? Are we protected by our demographics?

Before answering that question, let’s review the situation in Europe. Church attendance in some European countries is down to five percent of the population. Polls in Denmark reveal that only nine percent of Danes say that religion is very important in their life. In Spain, 46 percent of Spaniards between the ages of 15 and 24 consider themselves atheists, and a poll of self-described Catholics in France found that 45 percent of them are unable to say what Easter celebrates. Meanwhile, in contrast to the empty Christian churches, the European mosques are overflowing.

The loss of faith seems to have brought with it a loss of cultural confidence. Increasingly, it is Muslims who dictate what can be published, what can be taught, and what can be said—even what works of art can be displayed. Now that the sign of the cross has been replaced by a relativistic shrug of the shoulders, the culture no longer seems worth defending. As Mark Steyn puts it, “You can’t help noticing that since abandoning its faith in the unseen world, Europe seems also to have lost faith in the seen one.”

There is also, of course, a direct link between loss of faith and loss of population. People who don’t believe they have anything meaningful to pass on to the next generation tend to stop generating—with the result that much of the next generation in Europe is being produced by people who are fond of naming their boys “Mohammed.” In a nutshell, the Islamic faithful were quick to fill the spiritual and population vacuums created by the decline of Christian faith.

If a weakened Christianity invites an aggressive Islam, what is the prognosis for America?  On the surface, Americans seem to have a strong Christian commitment. And on the surface America doesn’t seem to have a population problem.  But below the surface there are problems aplenty.

Here’s one indication of the problem: a recent study conducted by Georgetown shows that Catholic college students are less likely to pray and attend Mass after four years of exposure to a Catholic education. The study showed similar results for non-Catholic private religious colleges. Four years of education at Christian colleges and universities produced graduates who were less inclined to attend church, to pray, and to read scripture than they had been before college entrance.

The study is reinforced by several recent polls which reveal that America is less Christian than it once was. According to a Newsweek poll the percentage of self-identified Christians in the United States has fallen from 86 percent of the population in 1990 to 76 percent today. In the same period the number of those who say they have no religion has nearly doubled from 8 to 15 percent. Among younger Americans, ages 18 to 29, a fourth classify themselves as agnostic, atheist, or of no religious faith.

How about that 76 percent that remain identified as Christians? Judging by the Georgetown study, you might not want to count on all of them, or even many of them, to stand shoulder to shoulder in resistance to cultural Islamization. In addition to cutting back on prayer, Bible reading, and church attendance, Christian students seem to acquire a more positive attitude toward activities—such as abortion and same-sex marriage—that were traditionally considered violations of the Christian moral code. Nowadays, the surest sign of your faith is a display of sensitivity to diversity. Education today—whether denominational or non-denominational—is mainly about learning the rules of relativism, and non-judgmentalism.  It seems safe to say that if they think about the matter much, students will tend to be non-judgmental about the Islamic faith, as well. Of course, a multicultural education more or less guarantees that people won’t give much thought to the matter because if all cultures, religions, and opinions are equal, what does it matter what people believe. Why bother to be better informed when you already know that all belief systems will turn out to be as innocuous and well-intentioned as your own?

This formation in relativism (which cuts across all age and class levels) also explains why the healthy American birth rate is not as healthy as it appears. Yes, it’s holding steady at the magic 2.1 replacement figure, but 41% of those births now occur out of wedlock. When applied to sexual morality the practice of non-judgmentalism produces tangible demographic results, and produces them in a relatively short period of time.  About 35 percent of white children are now born out of wedlock, as are 55 percent of Hispanic children, and 70 percent of black children.   And, as any cop, or school teacher, or single mother can attest, these trends quickly translate into trouble.  As they grow up, the boys in these fatherless families are particularly prone to school failure, delinquency, and gang activity. Sociologists say it has to do with the difficulty of establishing a masculine identity when there is no father in the home. Another way of putting it is that father absence tends to create an attraction to distorted masculine ideologies. Consider that the Nazi rise to power took advantage of the fact that a whole generation of German fathers had been lost in the First World War. Fatherless boys and young men growing up in the twenties and early thirties would have had a natural attraction to the exaggerated masculine ideology and trappings of the Nazi party.

Masculine identity, of course, is something that Islam specializes in. Sooner or later all these fatherless boys are going to notice that there’s a lot of hyper-masculine activity going on down at the local mosque. If you are going to join a gang, why not join the biggest, most powerful “gang” in the world. So, in the absence of traditional families, America’s respectable birth rate may only translate into more potential converts to Islam. Islamic activists, who are very savvy about such things, will no doubt devise ways to capitalize on rising illegitimacy rates—maybe something along the lines of:

Send your boy to Shaheed Summer Camp. We’ll teach him discipline and give him a sense of purpose. Your boy will learn stealth infiltration, media intimidation, paramilitary maneuvers, and other exciting activities, all in a structured environment. Thanks to a generous donation from the Wahabbi Summer Camp Foundation we are able to offer free tuitions.

Meanwhile, many Christians seem to be caught up in a pre-9/11 time warp in which gender experimentation is still thought to be on the cutting edge of progress. Thus, at Catholic Seattle University last year the first week of Lent was “Transgender Awareness Week” featuring a “Criss-Cross Day.” Cross-dressing exercises are also not uncommon in religious classes for Christian middle-schoolers. On a more mundane level, Christian children tend to get their religious education mainly from women—many of whom are still stuck in the tell-me-about-your-feelings method of pedagogy. In other words, the Christian churches aren’t offering much that might appeal to a boy in search of his manhood.

But that’s OK. Apparently there’s nothing to worry about out there, nothing that might require a little masculine assertiveness. Another finding of the Georgetown study was that students were much more likely to favor cuts in military spending as a result of their college education. Arms are for hugging, after all. In the world view of the modern multicultural Christian there are no enemies out there, only people who haven’t yet realized how much we respect their diversity.

It may be that 76 percent of Americans identify themselves as Christians, but how many of those would be willing to take a stand against the Islamization of America? How many would even realize there is a threat? How many would understand that Islam requires the eventual subjugation of all other religions, and that resistance is therefore something of a Christian duty?

There are a lot of indications that the answer to both questions is “not many.” America has high rates of divorce, illegitimacy, and abortion. Popular entertainment is beginning to resemble the Roman circus, and sexual experimentation has become a national pastime. You would think that if the 76 percent were serious about their faith it would be reflected in the larger culture. Obviously, the numbers who are willing to resist the cultural tides must be fairly small. The question is, if American Christians can’t successfully resist abortion activists or the relatively small number of gay activists, and if they are unable to counter the steady sexualization of their children by the entertainment industry, how likely is it that they will be able to resist the efforts of dedicated and well-funded cultural jihadists—especially when those stealth jihadists know how to play on the typical American’s compulsive need to demonstrate his tolerance for differences?

In contrast to Europe, America has plenty of practicing Christians. It also has freer speech and a freer press. But not many of those Christians seem to feel a need to use their free speech rights to raise awareness about the threat from Islam. If Christian bookstores are any indication of their frame of mind, Christians seem more concerned about weight loss than loss of freedom. A remarkable number of Christian books are devoted to explaining God’s plan for you to shed your extra pounds—thus giving a whole new meaning to the term “Christianity Lite.” At the same time—once again, judging by the shelves full of books on the subject—God has plans for you to beef-up your finances, improve your marriage, and succeed in business. Islam, on the other hand, seems to be well down on the list of things that American Christians worry about.

I recently attended a seminar on the threat of cultural jihad sponsored by a large Jewish community center. The presentation contained some fairly scary information. Afterward, in the crowded foyer, I overheard a woman asking, of no one in particular, “Where are the Christians?” Answer: look for them on the treadmills in the gyms or in the diet aisles at Whole Foods. Well, not all of them, of course; a growing number of Christians and Christian leaders are waking up to the Islamic threat. Still, in regard to Islam, most Christians seem to be living in a comfortable dreamworld.

William Kilpatrick’s articles on Islam have appeared in Front Page Magazine, Jihad Watch, Catholic World Report, National Catholic Register, World, and Investor’s Business Daily.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

    The other day, I counseled a young woman with a beautiful 3 1/2 year child. It seems that she has decided that the girl needs a man in her life. What was the decision she had made? She was going to try to live with the child's father … a "man" who has four other children by four other women (none of whom he lives with, and I daresay doesn't support in any way).

    Despite my best efforts to convince her that … in one year's time … she will still be a single mother, with a 4 1/2 year old girl and a 3-month old baby, she is convinced that this is the right decision.

    And what if she has a boy? "Dad" has already expressed his admiration for Islam, although he is still theoretically a Baptist. It is also pertinent that his other four children are boys …

    • Guest

      So how can anyone help her or the many like her?
      You can't.
      Stupid is as stupid does.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

        That's the really sad part about this. The girl is quite intelligent and has a perfect 4.00 GPA as she pursues what she needs to become a Nurse Practitioner.

        But as you said, stupid is a stupid does. Our culture, over the last several decades, has produced millions of young women like this one.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Stephen_Brady Stephen_Brady

        That's the really sad part about this. The girl is quite intelligent and has a perfect 4.00 GPA as she pursues what she needs to become a Nurse Practitioner.

        But as you said, stupid is a stupid does. Our culture, over the last several decades, has produced millions of young women like this one.

    • Guest

      So how can anyone help her or the many like her?
      You can't.
      Stupid is as stupid does.

  • Torben

    Mr Kilpatrick: Obviously Western civilization stands on Christian values. But my question is if it really is your message that only Christians can act like patriots and defenders of freedom? Is it your opinion that Christian communities should compete with wahhabi preachers in describing "God's plan"? You yourself mention the "theoretical Baptist" with admiration for Islam. He is certainly not the only Christian preparing a future as a dhimmi.

    • True to the Fitrah

      The true Muslim simply means to be a true Human. There are universal Human values that we all have in common. Western civilization must stand on true Human values and when they do that they will be Muslim values too. A true Human is someone that is moral, spiritual and rational.

  • Issa Kirarira

    The raise o Islam is good for humanity. Nobody should get worried of it. It is some people who claim to follow Islam-“Muslims” that tarnish the name of Islam. It is not an issue of numbers when it comes to Religion; it is an issue of who is a good practicing religious man. In the past till today, Islam has shown maximum respect for other religion as much as it is its obligation to lure people to Islam through peaceful means. Islam is clear on the position of other faith while stressing neighborhoodness It goes beyond that, where you have a neighbor who is a non Muslim and you have no blood relationship at the time of your dearth, it is your neighbor who inherits your property even if he is not a Muslim
    All regions promote peace but the follows who intend to advance their personal interest using the mighty of religions are the ones coursing problems

    • quest 2

      "Lure people to Islam through peaceful means." …………That's the best one I've read all day. LOL I think maybe you should go back and read the Qur'an again and not through out all the other violence against non-believers verses.

    • guest

      What planet are you from???

    • quest 2

      "Lure people to Islam through peaceful means." …………That's the best one I've read all day. LOL I think maybe you should go back and read the Qur'an again and not through out all the other violence against non-believers verses.

      • True to the Fitrah

        How are you defining a "non-believer"? How do you define a "believer"? How do you define a "Muslim" and how do you define a "Christian or Jew"? How do you define a "pagan or an infidel"? How do you define someone who is an agressor or a transgressor"?

        Do that and read the qur'an again if you have ever read it which I doubt. I know you have only read verses that someone "cut and paste" for you to give your attention to and they told you how to understand it. I doubt if you can tell me what the first verse in the first chapter of the Qur'an states?

      • True to the Fitrah

        The way you respond to someone who is trying to give you a truer picture of al-Islam tells me it's about promoting propaganda and some narrow political agenda to you.

        It tells me you haven't learn how to think independently for yourself but you are only allowing yourself to be used as a tool for satan. It doesn't bother me for you to be the way you are because I know the history of al-Islam. Al-Islam in its history has always had to deal with your type. In fact when better enlightenment came to your type they eventually became the best defenders of al-Islam. Some of the staunches of enemies of al-Islam became some of al-Islam greatest heroes.

        This is a fact of history. Goodness is on the Rise and We cannot be Stop Now. This is the Day of Deen (religion).

    • jose

      To be honest with you;

      You are either ignorant of the violent quatations of the koran, or you are one of those
      muslim hypocrites.I don't see any middleground in between.Correct me if am wrong.

      • True to the Fitrah

        Excuse me jose I doubt if you have ever read the Qur'an from begining to end without some political agenda influencing your reading of it. You can't honestly give me one verse in the Qur'an reading it in its proper context and say that it is violent.

        And if you are a Christian you can't honestly read the Bible form beginning to end and tell me that you don't find verses that is much more worst and violent than what you think you have read in the Qur'an.

    • Martin K.

      Dear Issa,If you really convinced that some people misunderstand Islam, then do us all a favor, educate YOUR Muslim Comrades, you might even try to tell the Arabic speaking people that they got it all wrong. Good luck in your endeavor

    • Thumper

      aaaaahhhh HAHAHAHAHA!

    • True to the Fitrah

      Actually, it is those in the main stream media who is under the control to their cooperate bosses and commercial establishment that tarnishes the name of islam and muslim more than what a Muslim is suppose to be doing. Someone else can do the exact same thing that they say a "muslim" did and it will come under some other kind of description. Christian militia or what have you. But it appears that some Musim is involved with similiar activities then it's called a "muslim terrorist''

  • http://muddleoftheroad.blogspot.com/ reddog

    You seem to be saying that the West needs Christianity to continue its existence and that we need the aggressive masculinity that the Christian religion promotes to do it. It's not true. Even if Islam seems to be flourishing in the West now, they are not getting large numbers of converts from European populations. By the second generation, most Muslims whose families immigrated to the West are almost as secular as their more established counterparts of other origins. Intermarriage is common and the melting pot remains the major social force extant. Muslims, in fact, take less time to secularize than those from typically Catholic cultures like Ireland, Italy or Spain, who have simply been at it longer.

    You want to practice hyper masculinity and go to war to protect Western values and heritage, go do it somewhere else. Leave the rest of us to our peaceful, secular, gender bending ways. Neither you or your nasty old man in the sky, Jehovah, is wanted here. You are racist, misogynist, homophobic, warmongers and hate merchants.

    • jose

      reddog,

      Which Europe are you talking about? Have you been to Paris-France or Brussels-Belgium where there are no go areas even for the police? I challenge you to make
      a simple research to find out which people settle in these areas.Your accusations of racism & homophobism are completly misplaced.

    • knuckledragger

      And you sir, are a future slave.

    • Jonah

      you, sir, are an idiot and much worse…go somewhere else bozo. I thought only Islamic dogs came on reasonably intelligent commentary sites.. but I was wrong.

    • traeh

      reddog, what is your evidence of the secularization of Muslims in the West? One of my reasons for considering Islam a huge threat is a book by Bruce Bawer, who is gay. Bawer wrote While Europe Slept: How Islam is Destroying Western Civilization from Within. Bawer brilliantly describes his experiences living in Europe. He does not describe the easy secularization you refer to. He describes the unwillingness of many Muslims to integrate. The creation, by Muslims, of no-go zones for non-Muslims, places where an Islamic law ethos reigns. He describes how homosexuals in Holland, who used to be able to walk around without fear, must now disguise themselves, because of Muslim violence and homophobia. Bawer describes many many experiences that lead him to conclude that European freedom is in danger of being lost as the Muslim population of Europe skyrockets, while the non-Muslim population actually shrinks because of very low birth rates.

      Do you have any real evidence of the secularization of which you speak? Or do you just happen to know some secular Muslims?

      And what of the polls that show between 40% and 60% of European Muslims would prefer to live under Sharia law, rather than under a Western legal system? And between 5% and 15% support the use of terror to get to sharia. And 1% are interested in actually doing terrorist actions. Those are terrifying numbers.

      Are you speaking off the top of your head, or do you have any evidence for your claims?

      • True to the Fitrah

        Islam is about all that is wholesome and good for the human life. It's about that which is pure. You reference some book by some "gay" person to conclude that islam is a threat. Well I can say just the same, that the "gay" lifestyle is a threat too to Islamic values which are human values.

        Islam is a threat to the promoters of immorality, permissiveness, homosexuals, alcohol, fornication, adultrey, fraud, corruption, gambling, stilling, vulgarity, and many other offensive things to society. However, Islam supports someones right to do whatever they choose to do in the privacy of their homes. But if you want to promote it in the society to the public, Islam condeems it so that we the social order will be kept sound, safe, peaceful and healthy.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

    The rise of hislam in Europe has nothing to do with the decline of Christianity. Europeans are losing interest in religion. That's why they aren't converting. hislam is increasing purely due to immigration and overbreeding.

    Europeans aren't overbreeding because they don't need to. They don't need large families to support them in their old age. Its a consistent pattern in the first world to not have large families. In the third world, its the opposite.

    • Guest

      Oh ,but Europe does need large families, or least more taxpayers, to support their retirement. Their lax immigration policy supplies lower skilled workers, and from where do those immigrant hale?

    • True to the Fitrah

      hislam is what you practice "ruinman". I practice al-Islam.

  • tarleton

    I'm tempted to call you a half witt , but that would be much too generous….stick to reading the National Enquirer

  • tarleton

    Having lived exactly half of my life in the US and half here in the UK , both countries come into clear focus ….It's true that here in Europe, Christendom is over but you'll be deluding yourself to think that Islam is filling the vacuum , as out of a population of 58 million , less than 2 million are Muslims and are considered a joke , by most Brits
    Christianity has been undermined by science , here in Europe and sometime in the future the US will suffer the same existentialist fate…it's the price of scientific progress

    • traeh

      What you don't realize, my good tarleton, is that those 2 million Muslims are reproducing very rapidly, while the non-Muslim population is shrinking. Many analysts say that current demographic trends mean Europe will be majority-Muslim well before the end of the century. Within a few years time, the four biggest Dutch cities will be majority-Muslim. Apparently 1/3 of all babies born in France today are Muslim babies. That means the rising generation in France is 1/3 Muslim. I hope these numbers are exaggerated, but I fear they are not. Mark Steyn writes about this in America Alone. Many others have written about it as well.

  • poetcomic1

    And who will defend YOU from being hung, tortured and thrown from high buildings for being a homosexual? You and your 'peaceful gender-bending' friends?

    Never mind your sexual activities – listen to your heart and those around you. The homosexual attitude of 'camp' is one of such deep and bitter 'irony' towards everything, so unnatural, urban and superficial that it enslaves and destroys the very soul till nothing is really real anymore. Everything real in this miraculous world becomes mask, illusion and 'performance'.

  • Terence Stewart

    I recommend that you view Muslim Demographics on YouTube!
    The statistics are also confirmed in Robert Webbers book
    'Who Get To Narate The World' and
    'America Alone' by Mark Steyn
    The west is in big trouble

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      Only if the West keeps importing arselifters. If the West wakes up and elects governments that stop the importation and reverses it, then arselifters will only end up wallowing in their own filth. They don't have a hope of winning wars against the West as they once did.

  • MKS

    Any secularist who criticizes the Judeo-Christian ethic, but is silent about Islam, is acting out of ignorance or cowardice.

    • frououl

      Spot on. An orthodox atheist myself, I have come to admire sincere Christians, especially Roman Catholics – they are reliable allies in defense of the Enlightenment, and of the West. I am glad they stand with us – and I increasingly with them.

    • traeh

      Seems fair.

  • USMCSniper

    "The Dark Ages and the Middle Ages in western culture were an era of mysticism, ruled by blind faith and blind obedience to the Christian dogma that faith is superior to reason. The Renaissance was specifically the rebirth of reason, the liberation of man's mind, the triumph of rationality over mysticism—a faltering, incomplete, but impassioned triumph that led to the birth of science, of individualism, of freedom." from Ayn Rand.

    Freud said: "Religion is an attempt to get control over the sensory world, in which we are placed, by means of the wish-world, which we have developed inside us as a result of biological and psychological necessities. [...] If one attempts to assign to religion its place in man's evolution, it seems not so much to be a lasting acquisition, as a parallel to the neurosis which the civilized individual must pass through on his way from childhood to maturity."

    • Liny

      I hope you don't actually embrace what you've just stated. It's not about religion, don't you get it? It's about faith in a being greater than yourself, who created the universe for us to enjoy. Man has destroyed it. So much for science and individualism! As far as freedom goes, as a Christian I have all the freedom in the world…to do the right thing. I take my direction in life from the Word of God, not by scientific discoveries, mysticism or by a "biological or psychological necessity." Please, don't try to anaylize something you don't know anything about! Don't critique any believer or the Bible for that matter if you have never had a meaningful relationship with a believer or have read the Bible! Educate yourself and then you can make a rational analysis!

    • Liny

      I hope you don't actually embrace what you've just stated. It's not about religion, don't you get it? It's about faith in a being greater than yourself, who created the universe for us to enjoy. Man has destroyed it. So much for science and individualism! As far as freedom goes, as a Christian I have all the freedom in the world…to do the right thing. I take my direction in life from the Word of God, not by scientific discoveries, mysticism or by a "biological or psychological necessity." Please, don't try to anaylize something you don't know anything about! Don't critique any believer or the Bible for that matter if you have never had a meaningful relationship with a believer or have read the Bible! Educate yourself and then you can make a rational analysis!

      • USMCSniper

        As the wise and intellectually militant Agnostic so accurately once said: "I don't know and by the way, you don't either!" As far as any organized religion goes, :All mystics have desired great hordes of slaves, who they refer to as their followers."

        • traeh

          I have to disagree with Ayn Rand, as much as I like her libertarianism, and with Freud, whose theories are often crude and foolish, but whose phenomenological descriptions could be very brilliant.

          To make a simple equation binary opposition between faith and reason in Christianity is a mistake that can be made if one is exposed only to, say, popular American Christian evangelism, and not the whole of Christian tradition. Recall that in the John Gospel, Jesus is identified not with "faith" but with the Logos — which means Reason, as well as Word. Recall that JC is reputed to have said, "know the truth, for the truth will set you free." The Renaissance and the Enlightenment were products of the Christian society in which they appeared, even though some rebellion against certain supposedly Christian elements was involved. Few people in history have exercised as much pure and intense ratiocination as did Thomas Aquinas. Medieval monks, meanwhile were responsible for saving much of civilization when the Roman Empire broke down. So the case is not as simple as Rand makes out.
          As for Freud, his equation of religion with neurosis — his discussion of the feeling of cosmic union as nothing more than a memory of the womb, or the like, is just ridiculous. But you seem to leave an opening that religion is not entirely an illusion, insofar as you seem to focus on "organized" religion. Let it be partly granted that "organized" religion lacks full authenticity. That still leaves individual religious experience. And if you read — oh, say, William James Varieties of Religious Experience, you could never talk like Freud, I think. Or if you read Mircea Eliade on experience of the sacred, you could never talk like Freud about religion. The non-physical, or spiritual can be a matter of real direct experience. Mircea Eliade says the experience of the sacred means an experience of Being, Meaning, and Truth (as I recall him.) Anyone who has experienced any of that with sufficient intensity learns there is a divine or spiritual realm. Understanding that experience adequately is another matter.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      I have a great deal of admiration for Ayn Rand but she's slightly wrong about the Dark Ages, as are most people. The usual perception is that the Dark Ages was brought about by Christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Dark Ages were brought about by hislam and its relentless assaults on Europe.

      Arselifters rapidly took to piracy on the Mediterranean Sea and it had disastrous consequences for Europe. Trade between Europe cities that depended on the Med fell away drastically and the trade link to India that the Romans built up was stopped.

      This hislam-induced weakening led to an economic collapse. Marco Polo's silk route adventure and the Portuguese and Spanish search for other routes to India were brought on by a desire to reestablish that trade connection.

      You can read the historical details here http://www.historyofjihad.com/ Take note of how early on Rome was first attacked.

      Once you realize all this, the Somali pirates make a lot more sense.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      I have a great deal of admiration for Ayn Rand but she's slightly wrong about the Dark Ages, as are most people. The usual perception is that the Dark Ages was brought about by Christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Dark Ages were brought about by hislam and its relentless assaults on Europe.

      Arselifters rapidly took to piracy on the Mediterranean Sea and it had disastrous consequences for Europe. Trade between Europe cities that depended on the Med fell away drastically and the trade link to India that the Romans built up was stopped.

      This hislam-induced weakening led to an economic collapse. Marco Polo's silk route adventure and the Portuguese and Spanish search for other routes to India were brought on by a desire to reestablish that trade connection.

      You can read the historical details here http://www.historyofjihad.com/ Take note of how early on Rome was first attacked.

      Once you realize all this, the Somali pirates make a lot more sense.

      • Anne

        I concur. If one reads the Book of Acts of the Apostles, there was regular, possibly even convenient, travel among the Roman cities. The Crusades were fought in part to protect the European Christian pilgrims as they traveled to the Holy Land. Who were molesting them? The moslems.

        • USMCSniper

          Both of you: "Since there was no fall there is no need for redemption"

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      I have a great deal of admiration for Ayn Rand but she's slightly wrong about the Dark Ages, as are most people. The usual perception is that the Dark Ages was brought about by Christianity. Nothing could be further from the truth. The Dark Ages were brought about by hislam and its relentless assaults on Europe.

      Arselifters rapidly took to piracy on the Mediterranean Sea and it had disastrous consequences for Europe. Trade between Europe cities that depended on the Med fell away drastically and the trade link to India that the Romans built up was stopped.

      This hislam-induced weakening led to an economic collapse. Marco Polo's silk route adventure and the Portuguese and Spanish search for other routes to India were brought on by a desire to reestablish that trade connection.

      You can read the historical details here http://www.historyofjihad.com/ Take note of how early on Rome was first attacked.

      Once you realize all this, the Somali pirates make a lot more sense.

  • flyingtiger

    As a Roman catholic, I see the protestants as wimps on the subject of Islam. They insist that islam is just another religion. Catholics have a long history of fighting islam. They know islam is evil and must be stopped. It is time for another crusade.

    • traeh

      Surely you paint Protestants with too broad a brush? There are millions of different Protestant sects, are there not? What about Christian evangelists — aren't they a Protestant sect? They don't seem to be wimps.

      But we don't need another Crusade. The Crusades — the holy warrior thing — was arguably a disease imported from Islam, which makes no separation between religion and the realm of the State. Christians should not go to war to spread Christianity, or in the name of Christianity, in the manner of a Crusade. If a Christian goes to war, it should be not as a Christian, but like any other citizen, Christian or not, to defend a decent, free social order and to do so only in accord with a sound just-war doctrine.

  • Pat Bright

    If we continue to give Islam "special handling" as in todays remarks by Mayor Bloomberg: Please do not do anything against our Muslim community in regards to the Time Square bombing attempt. I would a ask ? Who are the American people supposed to vent their frustration upon? The time is now to stop this BS. Face the facts, which are simply that ONLY Muslims are Jihadists. Crusades YES !

    • traeh

      It's not the Western way to vent frustrations on a whole group. That is more the totalitarian way. However, I do think we can demand some accountability from Muslims as a group — what are they going to do to stop the teaching of jihad? What are they going to do to stop the teaching of Islamic law? But to insist that Muslims confront and correct these issues is very different from "venting frustration on" them. That sounds too much like going and beating up some random Muslim who, for all you know, might be one of the Muslims who does not agree with jihad or sharia law.

      Crusades are a disease imported from Islam. Crusades means to import the idea of jihad into Christianity. That means to import the devil, basically, into the teaching of JC. If we go to war to defend ourselves from the depredations of Islam, we should not go to war as Christians, in the manner of a Crusade to spread Christianity by the sword. That's Muhammad's way, the theocratic way, to corruptly merge the realm of war with that of religion, the kingdom of this world with that of the divine world, Caesar's realm with the realm of the spirit. If we are going to have a Crusade, we might as well become Muslims. But let's not. If we need to go to war, we should go to war simply as citizens seeking to defend a decent and free social order, and we should go to war only in accord with a sound just war doctrine. But we should not go to war specifically as Christians or as representatives of any other religion not unless we want to imitate the worst aspects of Islam.

  • Pyotr Zumwalt

    The decline in organized religion does not mean a decline of spirituality; the opposite is the case. It is the deepening of spiritual awareness in the West that is drying the founts of organized churches. Human beings have grown in moral awareness and in their aspirational understanding of what Divine nature might be like. They have thus learned to see the old religious institutions in a new light: as wells full of ancient political sediment; as craft guilds transmitting the lore of herding and policing human minds; as audacious efforts at world concquest; and as many more things that reflect human nature far more convincingly than they do any conceivable concept of the Divine. Humanity is in the process of sweeping the old religions from the board for the best of reasons: they stand between us and God.

    • traeh

      An oversimplification. In many cases, what you say is true. But I'm not convinced what Jesus Christ brought is "old." I grant that the institutions that carry his message encrust it to some extent with irrelevancies that obscure it. But those institutions, for all their flaws, at the same time serve huge numbers of people who, if left to their own devices, would not all find some higher, individualized experience of the sacred. No, many would descend into personal decadence. And we do see some significant proportion of the "spiritually inspired" folk who have left all institutionalized religion and struck out on their own not always doing so well, flailing about in a relativistic soup of vague and sometimes decadent or self-destructive ideas masquerading as spirituality. Don't get me wrong. I'm all for individualized and experiential approach to the sacred. I just don't think the case is quite as you make it out. The institutionalized carriers of religion in some respects are doing a value and critical service, even as they succumb to some of the vices and inauthenticities that you and many others have pointed out. And the free spirits and new agers don't always become better, more creative, more loving, more educated, more civilized human beings. Quite often they may be less wise, more narrow, less enlightened, more screwed up, than some church going person. So the case is not as simple as you made it out, I think.

  • Liny

    I'm a protestant, but I'm hardly a whimp! My husband and I are those who take our faith seriously and are willing to defend it, any way we have to! What have the catholics done since the crusades to fight Islam? I'm a former Catholic and I can think of nothing they have done to fight Islam recently. Please enlighten me! Oh, by the way, do you own firearms and are you willing to defend your way of life? If you don't I suggest you purchase some and learn how to defend yourself real fast!

    • flyingtiger

      The battle of Malta, the two sieges of Vienna. Come to think of it, the catholics haven't much in the last century. The pope is the only world leader that does talk back, but he usually does it in a wimpy manner and then apologizes.
      I hope I didn't offend you. I was thinking of Protestant leaders like George W. Bush, Jim Baker, and Glover Norquist. It is proestants who believe that there are moderate moslems. Catholics know better. We are going to have to stand together
      In the eyes of moslems, there is no difference between Catholics and protestants.
      I have guns and if I run out of ammunition, those fencing classes I took years ago will help.

      • Anne

        Grover Norquist is a practicing moslem and I had to see him having sway over Republican and conservative politicians. Google Frank Gafney and Grover Norquist for some scary information.

    • flyingtiger

      The battle of Malta, the two sieges of Vienna. Come to think of it, the catholics haven't much in the last century. The pope is the only world leader that does talk back, but he usually does it in a wimpy manner and then apologizes.
      I hope I didn't offend you. I was thinking of Protestant leaders like George W. Bush, Jim Baker, and Glover Norquist. It is proestants who believe that there are moderate moslems. Catholics know better. We are going to have to stand together
      In the eyes of moslems, there is no difference between Catholics and protestants.
      I have guns and if I run out of ammunition, those fencing classes I took years ago will help.

    • flyingtiger

      The battle of Malta, the two sieges of Vienna. Come to think of it, the catholics haven't much in the last century. The pope is the only world leader that does talk back, but he usually does it in a wimpy manner and then apologizes.
      I hope I didn't offend you. I was thinking of Protestant leaders like George W. Bush, Jim Baker, and Glover Norquist. It is proestants who believe that there are moderate moslems. Catholics know better. We are going to have to stand together
      In the eyes of moslems, there is no difference between Catholics and protestants.
      I have guns and if I run out of ammunition, those fencing classes I took years ago will help.

  • Jim C.

    The point is not Christianity vs. Islam. The point is holding fast to our Western values and not allowing our freedom to slip or our laws to bend. Kowtowing to Muslim protest against cartoons is the exact wrong thing. We should stand firm with regard to our values of free speech and use it as an example to contrast to the medieval attitudes of Islam. But agitating against Islam is not the right thing, either.

    Are we gearing national security resources toward the possibility of terrorism? Are we gearing foreign policy to the idea of confronting rogue governments? Those are the things to do. But trying to cast this as a religious battle, I think, is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

    • traeh

      It's true this is not about Christianity versus Islam. But at the same time, one should realize that Western values have been formed to a large extent by the Judeo-Christian tradition. That is largely where our notions of human rights originated. The humanist tradition of Greece and Rome is the other major source of our civilization. But the sense of human rights emerges primarily from Judaism and Christianity.

  • Jim C.

    "Who are the American people supposed to vent their frustration on?"

    We are not supposed to vent our frustration on anyone. We are a nation of laws and we uphold justice. Not knee jerk reactionism.

  • USMCSniper

    "The Dark Ages and the Middle Ages in western culture were an era of mysticism, ruled by blind faith and blind obedience to the Christian dogma that faith is superior to reason. The Renaissance was specifically the rebirth of reason, the liberation of man's mind, the triumph of rationality over mysticism—a faltering, incomplete, but impassioned triumph that led to the birth of science, of individualism, of freedom." from Ayn Rand.

    Freud said: "Religion is an attempt to get control over the sensory world, in which we are placed, by means of the wish-world, which we have developed inside us as a result of biological and psychological necessities. [...] If one attempts to assign to religion its place in man's evolution, it seems not so much to be a lasting acquisition, as a parallel to the neurosis which the civilized individual must pass through on his way from childhood to maturity."

  • ricpic

    So many wishy washy comments on this thread by folks who I'm sure consider themselves enlightened and well out of that dark superstitious religious stuff. Not that that will cut them any slack when the sword of Islam comes down on their necks. The fact is that without God everything in man begins to crumble, including his resolve to defend himself and his kith and kin against a ferocious and death dealing enemy. We are in terrible trouble.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      You don't need to be Christian to recognize the thread. You just need to recognize it. hislam attacks everything in its path. Buddhists, Hindus, etc. And not just Christians. People need to see it for what it really is, a satanic death cult, and not what it presents itself as.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      You don't need to be Christian to recognize the thread. You just need to recognize it. hislam attacks everything in its path. Buddhists, Hindus, etc. And not just Christians. People need to see it for what it really is, a satanic death cult, and not what it presents itself as.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      You don't need to be Christian to recognize the thread. You just need to recognize it. hislam attacks everything in its path. Buddhists, Hindus, etc. And not just Christians. People need to see it for what it really is, a satanic death cult, and not what it presents itself as.

    • Jim C.

      So God is what makes you a fierce fighter? Huh…just like what the jihadists say.

  • Turbeaux

    Well the answer is to start a concerted effort to ban and reverse Muslim immigration now ASAP, with the exception of making allowances for genuine dissidents from Islam, in order to not to let it gain a foothold in the country.

    The way to sell it could be with zero Muslims living inside America, there will be zero probability of Islamic terrorist attacks. Thus, not only could we do away with the very intrusive Patriot Act, but we could also revert the US government back to the way it was before the twin towers were destroyed on 9/11/2001. Of course, I would recommend replacing the current crew of politically correct administrators with administrators not nearly so blinded by political correct multiculturalism and cultural relativism as well. Then we could use the money saved to balance the budget and to pay down the national debt.

    Indeed, it was stupid for Bush to double the size of the federal government in response to 9/11, when he could have just as easily not lied to us about the Great Religion of Peace, and instead banned and reversed Muslim immigration while sealing off the borders instead, for a small fraction of the cost.

    Now, if anyone wants to label me a racist in response to the above, then they should be prepared to explain at the same time the reason why Islam is just another benign religion as opposed to being a religion and also a very radical system of totalitarianism that seeks world domination and why that isn’t considered radical.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/GaryRumain Gary Rumain

      You also need to restrict students and tourists from hislamic countries. Remember that student that used an SUV to run into other students on a campus on the East Coast? The 9/11 terrorists were all using tourist or student visas, weren't they?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Strider55 Strider55

      Excellent ideas, but we should also bring the troops home from Iraq and Af-Pak, where they are only creating more terrorists. They can't harm us if they're not over here, and they also can't harm us if we're not over there. The returned soldiers should then be stationed at the southern border with orders to shoot the Mexican invaders on sight.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Strider55 Strider55

      Excellent ideas, but we should also bring the troops home from Iraq and Af-Pak, where they are only creating more terrorists. They can't harm us if they're not over here, and they also can't harm us if we're not over there. The returned soldiers should then be stationed at the southern border with orders to shoot the Mexican invaders on sight.

    • Jim C.

      I'm all for more stringent immigration policy, just like most other countries have. This is not the Industrial Revolution anymore.

      My only "balk" is that by the time you get to the third generation, that generation is solidly American; the attachment to the old country merely sentimental if at all. That, in turn, increases our standing in the world. We lead most nations in that regard, too. Once you taste the freedom….

  • No name

    Another piece to the puzzle is found in an article today at Worldnetdaily.com titled, "Christian question: 'Interfaith dialogue' or 'useful idiots'?

    Islamic terrorist front groups are finding "USEFUL IDIOTS" within the conservative, evangelical church. Therefore,… unless the members of these conservative Christian churches in America do not stand up against their church leaders seeking "common ground" with Hamas front groups, they will wake up one day to a church that has been seduced and compromised by the enemy within.
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pag

    • Jim C.

      No name…Does Christ say "Speak only to people the same as you? Reach out only to those you can be sure of? Forgive those you are already comfortable with?"

      This is not a holy war–that is what the Islamic extremists want! This is a conflict between free people and subjugated people and it will only be "won" when the two ideologies meet head to head in an open dialogue. Good for those church leaders who keep the hand of Christ open!

  • Anne

    sorry

    "hate" not "had" to see him

  • http://intensedebate.com/profiles/ellex0 ellex0

    Turbeaux: "The way to sell it could be with zero Muslims living inside America, there will be zero probability of Islamic terrorist attacks."

    This is the real solution, but which politician would dare suggest it? He be branded a bigot and that is not good for votes.

  • free for now

    Many Christians are becoming aware of the evils of Islam, but many seem complacent or self-absorbed. Others seem to think Christianity is merely one of many religions which all lead to God. They do not understand that they are being duped by their Muslim fellow religionists. One organization, Barnabas Aid. org has produced a number of books by Dr Patrick Sookhdeo (himself a convert from Islam), including Global Jihad, and Islam the Challenge to the Church which are serious in opposing Islam and exposing it. Their website,http://www.barnabasfund.org , has many articles about Islam and about efforts to support persecuted peoples under Islam.

  • SFLBIB

    “Where are the Christians?”

    They have been driven into silence by the ACLU.

  • PierceArrow

    I can tell you where too many of my fellow Christians are. They are sitting on their "left behinds," waiting for a predicted Rapture. The end-times-prediction racket is probably the most lucrative subset of aberrant doctrine in Christendom. Too many of my fellow Christians have wasted a lot of money on books and videos rehashing the same tired old misinterpretations of the Book of Revelation and other passages in the Bible. They claim to know the future, but don't know beans about the past or present.

    • traeh

      Do you know Joel Richardson's work: Anti-Christ: Islam's Awaited Messiah…?

    • traeh

      Do you know Joel Richardson's work: Anti-Christ: Islam's Awaited Messiah…?

  • PierceArrow

    I can tell you where too many of my fellow Christians are. They are sitting on their "left behinds," waiting for a predicted Rapture. The end-times-prediction racket is probably the most lucrative subset of aberrant doctrine in Christendom. Too many of my fellow Christians have wasted a lot of money on books and videos rehashing the same tired old misinterpretations of the Book of Revelation and other passages in the Bible. They claim to know the future, but don't know beans about the past or present.

  • Pete Mills

    The evidenance, the spirit, testimonies and all of history all point to the fact that Jesus was super natural (God). A fool has said in his heart "there is no God". You may disbelieve, mistreat or denie, but there will be a day when every knee will bow to Jesus Christ our only true saviour. Say what you will, this is the fact.

  • BIBLE ONLY

    Why the west is giving freedom and asylum to immigrants and people who do not respect human life,Christianity,Judaism as well as freedom of speech and thought;
    to people who want to turn Europan and American societies to another Taliban!!….Return back to Christianity and to your Bible and Judeo-Christian heritage before its too late to rescue the west from the Saracens and bedouin culture of hate.

  • protector

    I apologize if this was mentioned before; The importance of Christianity not going into decline is for one really good reason. Tactical Advantage. Christians were the ones that not only bloodied the noses of the Muslim Jihad during the middle ages, but broke their collective jaw, putting them into decline after the Crusades. No other religious group has stood up for itself in that manner against Islam. It goes without saying, without Christians willing to stand up for their fellows(even non Christians) we would all be posting in Arabic, or not at all on this site.

    • Lawmanjed

      Well said!