Iraq Under Siege

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Adding to the current tension is the fact that most of Iraq’s Shia population will more than likely believe the bombings were the work of Sunnis in retaliation for their disaffection, according to the BBC’s Jim Muir. He believes Sunni leadership was waiting for a singularly tense moment to unleash this latest wave of violence. Mowaffaq al-Rubaie, former national security adviser and ally of Prime Minister Maliki, attempted to dismiss that notion. “Al-Qaeda try to make use of any political difference and any political dispute,” he contended. “I don’t think this is sectarian motivated. I honestly believe that Iraq has been moving from sectarian to more issue-based politics.”

Such a dismissal would seem to be naive. The last two major attacks in Iraq were October 27th, when twin bombings killed 38 and wounded 78 in a Shia area of Baghdad, and December 5th, when 30 people were killed in attacks targeting Shia pilgrims in central Iraq. Complicating speculation is the reality that Iraq has also been grappling with a resilient, lower-level insurgency of Sunni Islamists tied to al-Qaeda and Shi’ite militias, which U.S. officials say are backed by Iran. These groups stage daily attacks in Iraq.

Parliament has agreed to an emergency meeting today, normally a Muslim day of rest. It remains to be seen whether this fragile coalition of Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds, beset by constant political infighting, can restore confidence.

All of this is occurring only days after the last American troops left Iraq, almost nine years after removing Saddam Hussein. Many Iraqis feared the withdrawal would lead to exactly the kind of violence that took place yesterday. Tribal leader Suleiman illuminated the frustration with an Obama administration willing to withdraw from Iraq before the nation was stabilized. “What did [Americans] all die for if they leave the country like this?” he asked. “There were 1,860 American soldiers killed in Anbar. None of their projects or payoffs were successful.”

He went further. “Iraq is finished also,” he claimed. “The [American] withdrawal represents the end of Iraq. There is no democracy here, there is chaos. Parties rule by sect. Corruption is rampant and so is sectarianism. But more dangerous than anything else is that Maliki is trying to establish a new autocracy.”

The Obama administration’s response? As ever, Vice President Joe Biden represents the perfect point man for an administration attempting to gloss over the base political calculations of a president determined to re-romance the left’s anti-war constituency in time for the 2012 election. “We’re not claiming victory,” Biden said during an interview on NBC’s Today Show December 1st. “What we’re claiming here is we’ve done our job the administration said it would do. To end a war we did not start, to end it in a responsible way…and to leave in place the prospect of a trained military, a trained security force under democratic institutions where the disparate parties for the first time are actually working together.”

Two weeks later, the president himself reiterated the triumph of wishful thinking over daunting reality. “Of course, Iraq is not a perfect place,” he said. “But we are leaving behind a sovereign, stable and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government that was elected by its people. We are ending a war not with a final battle, but with a final march toward home.”

No victory, no final battle, only a march home. Even as Iraq remains in a state that could lead directly to civil war. The sacrifices made by thousands of American troops? Secondary to the 2012 election. The ultimate fallback position should everything turn to chaos? No doubt the same excuse we hear regarding the economy: it’s all George Bush’s fault.

That’s what “leading from behind” is all about.

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  • Steve

    All this madness and the deaths of 4000 plus Americans should be laid at the feet of George II, the supreme bonehead who couldn't or wouldn't find a way to buy off the corrupt regime of Sadam H.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      All this madness and the deaths of 4000 plus Americans should be laid at the feet of George II, the supreme bonehead who couldn't or wouldn't find a way to buy off the corrupt regime of Sadam H.

      Saddam had to be ousted. However, staying after Saddam was ousted to pursue what was an exceedingly counterproductive and incredibly fantasy-based nation-building mission based on PC multicultural myths and assumptions about Islam and Muslims was a major strategic blunder inevitably waiting to happen. Some of us have been sounding the alarm about this inevitability for years, but no one was listening, By the way, the same thing is inevitable in Afghanistan as well.

      We need to get out of Afghanistan ASAP as well, drop the ludicrous misguided “War on Terror,” and transition to a saner strategy of containing the spread, growth, and expansion of Islam.

      • joy52

        Agreed.

      • Beth

        Saddam had to be ousted. However, staying after Saddam was ousted to pursue what was an exceedingly counterproductive and incredibly fantasy-based nation-building mission based on PC multicultural myths and assumptions about Islam and Muslims was a major strategic blunder inevitably waiting to happen.

        Very well said!

      • Beth

        We need to get out of Afghanistan ASAP as well, drop the ludicrous misguided “War on Terror,” and transition to a saner strategy of containing the spread, growth, and expansion of Islam.

        Again….Very Well Said ! OYM

    • FriendofGaryCooper

      And if George Bush had bought off Saddam, we would have a situation at least as bad as we have in North Korea; where Slick Willie bought off Kim Jong Il, back in the 1990's.

      • trickyblain

        Or like Iran, where Reagan bought off the Mullahs…with weaponry.

        • Beth

          jimmah carter, recipient of the 2002 Nobel (so-called) Peace Prize, brought us the Iran hostage crisis. Reagan ended it, promptly.

    • mrbean

      George Bush has higher grades in university than Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John F Kennedy, John Kerry, and Al Gore for sure. Obama has had his sealed! The father of terrisom is Jimmy Carter in 1979 with Iran, and it documented that at least 15 major terrorist acts against the US were either occurred or were well under way under Clinton and 9/11 falls on Clinton as all the training and preparation occurred on his watch.. Of course, not a single act of terrorism occurred on American soil under G W Bush. Nahhhhhhh nahhhh nehh nah nah. So there Stevey still wondering!

  • John_Kelly

    Just 48 hours ago I saw President Obama (PBUH) on CNN telling the world that as the last of America's soldiers were leaving Iraq, we had accomplished our goal of leaving a "stable Iraq."

    Is it possible the all wise, all knowing, omnipotent, Dear Leader got it wrong?

    The next 6 months of Iraq's descent into chaos and civil war will fit in perfectly with Obama's vision of a new Middle East…….The New Caliphate.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Just 48 hours ago I saw President Obama (PBUH) on CNN telling the world that as the last of America's soldiers were leaving Iraq, we had accomplished our goal of leaving a "stable Iraq."

      Apparently, Obama is as delusional today as GWB was when he occupied Iraq to pursue a fantasy-based nation-building mission preordained to fail. In any event, the last thing we should be doing in the Islamic world is propping up, strengthening, arming, and stabilizing our eternal enemies.

      The next 6 months of Iraq's descent into chaos and civil war will fit in perfectly with Obama's vision of a new Middle East…….The New Caliphate.

      Actually, Iraq's descent into jihad between Sunni and Shi'a will hopefully be what happens, as Muslim on Muslim violence is good for the Dar al Harb (us) and bad for the Dar al Islam (them). In fact, we should all hope and pray that it last for many years to come. Indeed, the bloodier the better.

      I know it all sounds cold and strange especially if you don't understand that the Islamic world is waging permanent and perpetual jihad against all non-Muslim unbelievers in the world.

      • joy52

        True.

      • Beth

        I know it all sounds cold and strange

        No, it doesn't. Because, obviously, this world has not seen enough muslim bloodshed – yet….which is what is needed to put an end to the lies that protect and spread islam. Let those who insist upon bowing to the violent incitement of the koran reap the inevitable consequences of doing so – first. Why would that be unfair? (It's not)

  • crackerjack

    Mission accomplished. 300 000 dead. 1,5 million refugees. Infrastructure in ruins. Civil war. The people of Iraq will forever be grateful to Bush, Cheeny, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz , Bolton and Perle.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Mission accomplished. 300 000 dead. 1,5 million refugees. Infrastructure in ruins. Civil war. The people of Iraq will forever be grateful to Bush, Cheeny, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz , Bolton and Perle

      If it would have been left up to me, we would have left Iraq as soon as the country had been scoured for WMD and Saddam was captured, intentionally leaving behind our death and destruction to fester and to serve as deterrence, hoping at the same time that the gigantic vacuum we left behind caused by the ouster of Saddam would have inevitably led to a jihad between the Sunnis and Shi'as that would have lasted for many years if we were lucky. In fact, if it would have been left up to me, as soon as Iran had become preoccupied with fighting the inevitable jihad between the Sunnis and Shi'as in Iraq, I would have swooped in by surprise and eradicated the ruling Mullah regime, obliterated their nuclear weapons program, and then left ASAP, while also intentionally leaving behind our death and destruction to fester and to serve as deterrence.

      • Beth

        "….we would have left Iraq as soon as the country had been scoured for WMD and Saddam was captured, intentionally leaving behind our death and destruction to fester and to serve as deterrence, hoping at the same time that the gigantic vacuum we left behind caused by the ouster of Saddam would have inevitably led to a jihad between the Sunnis and Shi'as that would have lasted for many years…"

        If only we could have a REAL President and a REAL administration who understood those facts. The world would be a better place.

      • Beth

        "I would have swooped in by surprise and eradicated the ruling Mullah regime, obliterated their nuclear weapons program, and then left ASAP, while also intentionally leaving behind our death and destruction to fester and to serve as deterrence"

        And THAT is how to win the war against Murderers!

  • SHmuel HaLevi

    One fact remains clear to all.
    The islamic people will never cease making of slaughtering their way of life.
    The US sacrificed wealth and valuable lives pursuing a chimera peddled by PC clowns who do not have even a remote idea of what is islam and how it creates evil for its own sake.
    "War on terror" was a terrible election of label.
    All of us should iron our wills to face islam's expanded evil.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    it puts an exclamation point on the daunting reality that America may have prematurely left a nation whose government remains ruptured by sectarian divisions.

    If your perception of Iraq wasn't severely tainted by PC multiculturalism, you would understand that jihad breaking out between the Shi'a and the Sunni in Iraq would be a very good thing for us and indeed the West. Of course, you'd also understand that the nation-building missions in Iraq and Afghanistan weren't only incredibly fantasy based because they were founded on false PC multicultural myths and assumptions, but also exceedingly counterproductive, since they amounted to rebuilding what are in reality our eternal enemies, arming and training their militaries, and essentially propping them up so that they can rejoin the stealth global jihad against us and the West in far better shape than otherwise, and it just doesn't get any more misguided and counterproductive than that. Not to mention as well that thousands of American troops were either killed or maimed and trillions of taxpayer dollars were wasted in pursuit of those two greatest strategic blunders ever in American history. Indeed, somebody needs to be held to account so that those kind of major strategic blunders won't ever happen again in the future.

    Divisions that may ultimately undermine the enormous sacrifices made by American troops, and plunge the country into sectarian turmoil.

    Sorry dude, but their sacrifices were long ago already undermined by our own incredibly incompetent government, and if you weren't blinded by PC multiculturalism, you'd understand that sectarian turmoil in the Islamic world is a very good thing for us and the West.

    Unfortunately this was all agreed upon by America–to hand over Iraq to a new dictator, and so Iraq will implode again.”

    Big deal, as it was always preordained and inevitable in any event since liberal and secular Western-style democracy in the Islamic world beyond a temporary basis is absolutely impossible. Not to mention that Iraq was never a democracy to begin with as sold to the American people with the cooperation of the news media by the US government. Indeed, thanks to former Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad, a Muslim stealth jihadists who penetrated the Bush administration, both the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan today are really Sharia states, and the last time I checked the only freedom that Sharia allows is the freedom for Muslims to become more devout slaves of Allah.

    Even as Iraq remains in a state that could lead directly to civil war.

    Hopefully.

    No doubt the same excuse we hear regarding the economy: it’s all George Bush’s fault.

    As a matter of fact, most of the blame for the inevitable failures in Iraq and Afghanistan should rightfully be blamed on the GWB administration. Of course, the Obama administration in its own right is incredibly incompetent as well. However, those responsible for those two greatest strategic blunders ever in American history in Iraq and Afghanistan must be held to account and severely punished to ensure such strategic blunders will never ever happen again in the future. However, I have a feeling though, that both sides will just point the finger of blame on each other and no one will ever learn any lessons from those two incredibly stupid strategic blunders.

  • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

    It’s not about us–or Obama or Bush.

    It’s about Islam!

    There’s an Islamic revival that has to do with a dynamic internal to the Islamic culture. We see a return to Islam (call it fundamentalist Islam if you prefer or original Islam or just plain Islam that it really is) through out the Islamic world. Notice the election in Egypt, Gaza, Libya, etc. They are all turning back to a pure unadulterated Islam.

    Both Shia and Sunni will fight for leadership over the revived Islamic world. Iraq lies on the Sunni-Shia fault line in the west as Afghanistan does in the east.

    I predict there is going to be a religious war similar to Europe’s Thirty Years War–a religious war of great proportions. We don’t want to be in the middle of this. Let’s get as far away as possible. I think we proved that attacking America is not wise. Now let’s leave so that we don’t get pulled back in. We can’t stop this war; it will only drain our resources. Let’s make sure that both sides know that you don’t want America as an enemy: we’ll leave you alone if you leave us alone. … Now let’s leave them alone and prove it.

    • joy52

      As Jefferson said, leave them to their side of the world (paraphrasing).

      • Stephen_Brady

        That was quite acceotable in a time when it might take the people on "their side of the world" 18 months to get to our side of the world. Now, their side of the world is only a few hours away, by plane, and nanoseconds away, by phone or intenet.

      • SpiritOf1683

        Unfortunately, what Jefferson said applied to the 18th and early 19th centuries, not the late 20th Century onwards.

    • ziontruth

      "I predict there is going to be a religious war similar to Europe’s Thirty Years War–a religious war of great proportions. We don’t want to be in the middle of this. Let’s get as far away as possible."

      In order to get as far away as possible, you have to remove as far away as possible the enemy troops residing on your soil. I'm talking about the Muslim invader-immigrants living in every non-Muslim state.

      The mistake made by the U.S. following 9/11 was its decision to send troops abroad instead of deporting all the Muslims from home. And I'm not patting myself on the back, because my country has been guilty of such neglect not once but twice—in 1948 and 1967, leaving the entire enemy population or even just a remnant of it in the lands it took back from them.

      • Beth

        "In order to get as far away as possible, you have to remove as far away as possible the enemy troops residing on your soil. I'm talking about the Muslim invader-immigrants living in every non-Muslim state"

        The part that makes me most angry about that ziontruth?….is that there are laws ALREADY in place that clearly condemn their koran ….and on a level that a 10 yr-old child could understand. And not just American laws…but international (supposedly) also.

        We need leaders that will enforce those laws.

        The so-called 'moderate' muslim….STILL brings their koran with them.

        It is the koran that needs to be placed upon 'the table' – for all to see – and the humane laws (that already exist) need to be applied.

        • Beth

          Let them begin with these:

          Taught in the Koran…

          Mass Murder……………………………009.005 – 033.061
          Gang Rape………………………………033.052
          Beheadings……………………………..047.004
          Crucifixions………………………………005.033
          Robbery…………………………………..008.041
          Telling lies to non-muslims………….003.028
          Cutting off hands and feet…………..005.033
          Treason……………………………………008.067
          Racism…………………………………….005.041

          For the muslims who argue that Christianity is no better? or that the Old Testament is no better?….the LAST Commands ("last"…being the operative word here) given by the Bible are:

          Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

          Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

          Whether a person is an athiest or not is irrelevent (when it comes to deciding on applying the laws while their koran is placed upon 'the table')….the facts speak for themselves…which should lead ALL right back to the koran and what exactly is being taught to society by it.

          With all of that being said…keep in mind….."We reap what we sow".

          Let all begin here:

          Should the act of handing out the koran to children be legal?

          (this is important…..for the greatest asset of any nation – are its children. The OIC is fully aware of that fact. They invaded our universities long ago. Now is the time to do something about it.)

    • Beth

      "It’s not about us–or Obama or Bush"

      It’s about Islam!

      It gives me great pleasure to see more and more people waking up to that fact.

  • Steve Chavez

    OBAMA WAS TRYING TO SCORE POLITICAL POINTS ONLY when he pulled out and he wanted the MILITARY VOTE which including family members but now that his nightmare has begun, the blood sacrifice, which will be seen "as for nothing," will take away that "Fallen Comrade" vote.

    WILL HE MAKE A DEAL WITH IRAN, AL-SADR, AND OTHER TERRORISTS to stop the attacks on each other which make him look bad and would ruin his re-election chances?

    His strategy is to get the Gay and Lesbian vote as there was news that he sent a congrats to a gay couple who just got married. All those on welfare and have time now to watch Oprah reruns while eating Cheetos and Bon-Bons. Unemployed who realize that NOT WORKING pays more than working. The race card will be played as often as possible to make it seem that the Republicans are racists for even questioning Him, Holder, or any person of color. And blaming anyone who worked hard to achieve success!

    • ObamaYoMoma

      but now that his nightmare has begun, the blood sacrifice, which will be seen "as for nothing," will take away that "Fallen Comrade" vote.

      Look, I don't like Obama as much as the next guy, but why is it his nightmare? He didn't decide to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan to pursue silly counterproductive and fantasy-based nation-building missions that were doomed from the get go because they were based on false PC multicultural myths and assumptions. Indeed, Obama inherited the problems from GWB, and had he not also been incompetent in his own right, he would have gotten us out of Iraq and Afghanistan ASAP and transitioned to a new saner strategy of containing the growth, spread, and expansion of Islam instead.

      And yep, thousands of Americans were either killed or maimed and trillions of dollars of taxpayer money was wasted all for nothing, as both fantasy based nation-building missions that were founded on false PC multicultural myths and assumptions about Islam and Muslims were preordained to fail and turn into disasters from the very get go. Indeed, some of us have been pointing that out for years already.

      Hence, since both fantasy based nation-building missions are the two greatest strategic blunders ever in American history, those responsible for that monstrosity should be held to account and severely punish so that it will never happen again in the future. Somebody needs to pay for the thousands of troops that were either killed or maimed and the trillions of dollars that were needlessly wasted all for nothing.

      • Beth

        "And yep, thousands of Americans were either killed or maimed and trillions of dollars of taxpayer money was wasted all for nothing, as both fantasy based nation-building missions that were founded on false PC multicultural myths and assumptions about Islam and Muslims were preordained to fail and turn into disasters from the very get go…"

        repeat: that were founded on false PC multicultural myths

        It was in the 90s that the 'brainwashing' kicked in. I'm so glad it was granted unto me…to see the media 'giants' for what they really are…….bought whores.

  • BLJ

    Who benefits the most from an unstable Iraq?

    Iran.

    They were soiling their pants when the U.S. went in and took out Saddam. They thought they might be next. Now that we left the fear is gone.

    • Stephen_Brady

      True.

    • SpiritOf1683

      That fear went when Bush described Islam as a religion of peace. Had he used the same words as Winston Churchill or John Quincy Adams as regards Islam, then they'd have thought the US meant business. But pandering to Islam made us appear weak. They think we're pushovers because of political correctness. To them, cap-doffing deference is weakness and not good manners.

  • Stephen_Brady

    It's a simple matter, in reality. John McCain took plenty of heat in the 2008 campaign for saying that US troops might have to remain in Iraq for fifty years. However, he was right. Whether we should do a nation-building effort or not is a subject for another thread. The fact was, and for better or worse, we were in Iraq. Now, we are out of Iraq.

    My prediction about Iraq is that, with US troops gone, the violence will escalate, the purpose being to provoke a civil war between Sunni (the minority, Saddam's sect) and Shia (the majority sect). It will eventually devolve into complete chaos, at which point Iran will step in militarily, and Iraq will be absorbed into a new Persian Empire … the Caliphate, with the threats to peace in the region and the world which that will entail.

    McCain was right …

    • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

      Don't be so sure that Sunni nations will sit by and let Iran take over Iraq. Egypt, Jordan, and perhaps a post-Assad Syria may retaliate if Iran invades. The Sunni fundamentalists are eager to go to war with their eternal enemy, the Shia. And don't forget that Pakistan is on the other side of Iran. This is the real reason Iran wants nukes.

      Of course Saudi Arabia will try to get us to fight for the Sunni side. It's time to let the House of Saud crumble. The Jordanian King, who believes he is the rightful guardian of Mecca, would like to step into the void.

      If we play our cards right, our enemies will kill each other. Given that Russia has the longest border with Islam, we might even see a third front … if we don't stupidly stop it again.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        This is the real reason Iran wants nukes.

        Nah…not really. They want nukes primarily to make Islam supreme per the dictates of Islam.

        • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

          Pakistan already has the Islamic bomb. My prediction is that Pakistan will give the bomb to other Sunni nations if Iran gets the bomb.

          Let's remember that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are partners in crime. Together the created and funded the Talibain in the mid-1990s to take over and control Afghanistan. They drove out the regime that toppled the USSR and ruled for half a decade. This regime had significant Shia and pro-Persian elements.

          While we still protect Saudi Arabia, if we left, Pakistan would fill the void. Iran is competing with Sunni nations for the lead role in Islamic imperialism. Sure, Iran wants a nuclear Islam but it wants it on their terms. We removed Iran's main enemies from Iraq and Afghanistan … it's two neighbors … and Iran is emboldened.

          The Sunni haven't given up. They are growing also. I predict that Egypt will join with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. This could create a intertwined mixture similar to Europe in 1914. It could blow-up and become an Islamic world war.

          Let's stay away. Let our enemies kill each other. Why do we keep trying to stop them?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Pakistan already has the Islamic bomb. My prediction is that Pakistan will give the bomb to other Sunni nations if Iran gets the bomb.

            You sound sort of like me, except the way I say it is if Iran is allowed to acquire nuclear weapons with impunity and at the same time render the NPT not worth the paper it is signed on, then the Saudi funded nuclear weapons arsenal already sitting in anticipation in Pakistan will surely almost over night be proliferated throughout the Sunni Islamic world in response to Shi'a Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons. Thus, the Islamic world – with its imperative to make Islam supreme – will almost over night become armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, and an Islamic world armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons will inevitably become far more belligerent and aggressive.

            Indeed, the argument for allowing Iran to acquire nuclear weapons with impunity is if we try to stop the Iranians they will inevitably shut down the Strait of Hormuz and oil prices will skyrocket temporarily. However, on the other hand, if we don't stop Iran, nuclear weapons will inevitably get proliferated throughout the Sunni Islamic world as a result, which will also cause oil prices to inevitably skyrocket as well. However, it will be on a permanent basis instead of only temporarily.

            Let's stay away. Let our enemies kill each other. Why do we keep trying to stop them?

            Hey, I've been advocating for years now that we drop the so-called “War on Terror,” as terrorism is a Western manifestation only, which should give you an idea of how incredibly incompetent the Bush administration was. In its place the US needs to transition to a new saner strategy of containment similar to the Cold War when Truman adapted a policy of containing the growth, spread, and expansion of Communism. However, in this case, we would contain the growth, spread, and expansion of Islam instead.

            Thus, we would first prioritize the most imminent threats: taking out Iran's nuclear weapons program and confiscating Pakistan's nuclear weapons arsenal and destroying their nuclear weapons program. Eventually we are going to have to also seize and occupy the Mideast oilfields and confiscate the immense unearned oil wealth of the Saudis and the Gulf States Emirs. Otherwise, they will continue to use those resources and assets to wage jihad against the West forever.

            Of course, a lot of people would see such a proposal as theft motivated by greed. However, it is not; it is self-defense. If they were using those resources and assets to lift up their people instead, nobody would propose taking those resources and assets away from them. However, since they are using those resources and assets instead to wage jihad in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme against the West perpetually, then in self-defense we don't have any other choice but to remove those resources and assets from their possession.

            Lastly, the Islamic world must be isolated from the West for as long as it takes for Islam to eventually become discredited, as Islam without the West is incapable of producing anything on its own other than jihad, bloodshed, and lots and lots of misery.

          • http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/ JasonPappas

            Yes, I essentially agree. The policy of containment is correct. I wrote about establishing a deterrent for such a purpose back in 2006 in my defunct blog: http://libertyandculture.blogspot.com/2006/05/est

            Bush never understood Islam. Neither did his critics on the left. Thus, neither offer a solution. I have long argued that we are in the education phase. Our nation will never have an effective policy as long as they are ignorant of the nature of our enemy.

            In any case, I'm pleased to be back here after several years and see good people holding down the fort. Have a great Christmas Yo and everyone else.

    • Reason_For_Life

      No, McCain was wrong, not on the inevitable result of leaving Iraq (on which I agree) but on the idiocy of invading it in the first place. The Iraq invasion took a brutal secular dictatorship that was hated by its neighbors keeping the entire region in turmoil and created a theocracy that will eventually slaughter its way to religious unity and unite with its previous enemy Iran.

      Bush and McCain's stupid war took a divided region whose primary concern was each other and tipped the balance in favor of the Shia lunatics in Iran.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Dude, there was nothing wrong with the decision to oust Saddam, as he was literally destroying American prestige around the world by making us appear weak and cowardly to our enemies. Thus, the decision to oust Saddam was the correct one. However, the subsequent decision to occupy Iraq to pursue an incredibly counterproductive and fantasy based nation-building mission based on false PC multicultural myths about Islam and Muslims inevitably turned into one of the greatest strategic blunders ever in American history.

        In addition, a jihad between Shi'a and Sunni that would have drawn in Shi'as and Sunnis from surrounding countries and hopefully dragged on for many years, should have been one of the main objectives for ousting Saddam and a consequence to the Islamic world for attacking America on 9/11.

        • ziontruth

          "Dude, there was nothing wrong with the decision to oust Saddam,…"

          Maybe not, but there was nothing right either. As I said above: The war should never have been taken abroad so early—not when there are so many enemy troops (Muslim immigrants) in the homeland.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      John McCain took plenty of heat in the 2008 campaign for saying that US troops might have to remain in Iraq for fifty years. However, he was right.

      He was right? Give me a break. John McCain has always been one of the most mentally incompetent and severely delusional moonbats in the senate when it came to cheer-leading and promoting what are in reality the two biggest strategic blunders ever in American history. Indeed, why should US troops spend one day let along 50 years rebuilding Iraq, cleaning up what should be our deterrence, propping up what is really a sharia state, and training their jihadists while arming them with high tech weapons, as in reality they are our eternal enemies? Especially when that sharia state at the same time was making sure that all of the oil drilling and oil production contracts, along with the reconstruction contracts went primarily to America's longtime enemies as opposed to the USA.

      Whether we should do a nation-building effort or not is a subject for another thread.

      Nation-building missions under any and all circumstances always inevitably fail without exception, and especially when they are incredibly fantasy based nation-building missions in Islamic countries that are founded on false PC multicultural myths with respect to Islam and Muslims.

      My prediction about Iraq is that, with US troops gone, the violence will escalate, the purpose being to provoke a civil war between Sunni (the minority, Saddam's sect) and Shia (the majority sect).

      Man…I know this may sound a little counter intuitive especially for you, but I hope you are right. Indeed, if we are lucky it will also draw in Iran and Sunnis from surrounding countries and drag on for many, many years to come. As Muslim on Muslim violence is bad for the Dar al Islam (them) and good for the Dar al Harb (us).

      It will eventually devolve into complete chaos, at which point Iran will step in militarily, and Iraq will be absorbed into a new Persian Empire

      Actually, Maliki is already Iran's poodle, which is why Iraq is currently lending aid and support to Assad in Syria. Meanwhile, trillions of dollars in taxpayer money and thousands of American troops that were either killed or maimed was all for nothing. In addition, the same thing will also inevitably happen in Afghanistan as well. Some of us have been warning about what was inevitably coming for years and being scorned at the same time for it nearly the entire time.

      McCain was right …

      McCain is an unhinged loon! How the hell do you figure he was right? He's a buffoon! Apparently, like McCain you still hold on to the belief that Islam is a Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists, which is nothing but a false PC multicultural myth.

      Well at least now I understand why you vote the way you vote. Nevertheless, I sincerely hope that all those responsible for what is in reality the two biggest strategic blunders ever in American history are eventuallyi held to account and severely punished even if they are already out of office and retired so that this kind of gross incompetence on such a grand scale will never ever happen again in the future. Someone needs to be the goat here.

      –continued below

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Not to mention as well that the primary reason our budget deficits and our national debt inevitably skyrocketed through the roof the instant the economy headed south in 2008 is because the same grossly incompetent loons that were also responsible for what are the two biggest strategic blunders ever in American history, also misused the 9/11 jihad attacks to create a crisis in order to justify doubling the size, scope, and power of the federal government like Dhimmicrats on steroids.

      Indeed, instead of proclaiming Islam to be a Religion of Peace™ being hijacked by a tiny minority of extremists to pander to Muslims for votes right after the 9/11 jihad attacks that murdered in excess of 3,000 innocent Americans and then subsequently doubling the size, scope, and power of the federal government like Dhimmicrats on steroids, ostensibly to protect the homeland, but really to create a false sense of security in order continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage, the Bush administration instead should have immediately moved to outlaw Islam and ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP. As common sense dictates zero Muslims living in America as a fifth column would equal zero violent jihad attacks inside the homeland.

      As a matter of fact, had the Bush administration exercised common sense instead of massively increasing the size, scope, and power of the federal government like Dhimmicrats on steroids, all of those innocent Americans that were killed since 9/11 in violent jihad attacks within the USA – such as the Fort Hood Massacre – would still be alive and well today. Additionally, when has expanding the size, scope, and power of the federal government ever been a solution for anything much less for protecting the homeland?

      Meanwhile, today we are contemplating making massive budgetary cuts, massively raising taxes, and implementing severe draconian cuts to our military that inevitably would open up the door for the forces of totalitarianism to become predominant in the world, and yet no one in congress – Republican or Dhimmicrat alike – is proposing outlawing Islam and banning and reversing mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage so that we can roll back all of the needless massive expansion in the size, scope, and power of the federal government that occurred courtesy of the Bush administration.

      Thus, we are in the current financial predicament we are in today in effect so that we can continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage. Meanwhile, can anyone point to another immigrant group other than Muslims that has forced America to double the size, scope, and power of the federal government just so that we can accommodate them? Talk about PC multiculturalism running amuck! Damn, no wonder you support amnesty.

      And never mind the fact that other than a false sense of security and a usurpation of our formerly heretofore constitutionally protected rights and freedoms, the truth is that we are even more vulnerable to massive violent jihad attacks today than we were even before 9/11.

      In other words, the Republican Party and the Dhimmicrat Party are today really just two sides of the same grossly incompetent Leftwing coin. Some of us understand that, however, the vast overwhelming majority of Americans obviously do not.

      • Stephen_Brady

        It's fascinating how you come to the conclusions that you do from a post that is no more than 50 words, out of which you work a rant the size of a novella.

        Methinks thou dost protest too much …

        … I almost forgot. Merry Christmas!

  • Reason_For_Life

    That civil war would be the fate of Iraq was guaranteed by their constitution, of which America heartily approved. The second (or third depending on which translation you read) article states that a) no law may contradict the undisputed tenets of Islam and b) no law may contradict the principles of democracy.

    Iraq is a country consisting of approximately 80% Shia and 20% Sunni Muslims. These two groups have "disputed" the tenets of Islam for over a thousand years. Does it really take a rocket scientist to see that these constitutional requirements would lead to a Shia dominated government that would immediately attempt to exterminate the Sunni?

    The civil war in Iraq began within days of the signing of the first constitution with the insane requirement that religious disputes be settled "democratically". It subsided when outside terrorists began the indiscriminate killing of both sects and American forces began the surge which protected Sunni and Shia alike. The exiting of American forces have now provided the opportunity for these age old hatreds to once again vent themselves in slaughter.

    Iraqi Kurds, with American acquiescence, have already chased all Christians from Northern Iraq. There are only Shia and Sunni left to settle scores in the inevitable bloodbath that will ultimately unite Iraq with Iran.

    Another great triumph for foreign intervention.

    • Stephen_Brady

      As I said in my post, whether we should have invaded or not is the subject of another thread. My point is about the inevitable consequences of Obama's decision to pull out.

      • Reason_For_Life

        On this then, we agree.

  • BS77

    I will NEVER understand the totally incomprehensible behavior of the barbaric lunatics who set off these endless bombs…suicide bombs, car bombs, truck bombs……it is a mark of total madness. In Iraq, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan…..insane people set off bombs that kill their OWN PEOPLE…..women, children, elderly, anyone present….Is it just to promote total chaos and hysteria? Does it have any sort of strategic or rational purpose? All it does is create , suffering, grief and more insanity. NO wonder those nations are in perpetual misery .

    • SpiritOf1683

      I will NEVER understand the totally incomprehensible behavior of the barbaric lunatics who set off these endless bombs…suicide bombs, car bombs, truck bombs……it is a mark of total madness.

      It is the mark of ISLAM, and Islam is the reason they're like they are!

  • BS77

    I really feel sadness for the average folks in Iraq or Afghanistan….young children, women, the elderly, poor working people just trying to make a life in nations torn by endless, relentless war, insurrection, violence, retribution, religious conflicts…..a complete tragedy…in Sudan, Somalia….Hopefully, one day, reform and rational order will replace the current situation.

    • SpiritOf1683

      These countries will be like they are whilever Islam exists there, for Islam is the root of all their problems.

  • Amused

    Iraq is going back to being Iraq . When they tire of slaughtering each other , the MUSLIMS of Iraq ,may just find a way out . I would not blame Bush OR Obama , that would just be an EXPRESSION OF IGNORANCE OF ISLAM . Glad our sons and daughters are out of there ….they gave them their shot at freedom , if they want to waste it , so be it , now lets get the hell out of Afghanistan . Civilised men will always under-estimate the barbarian .

  • Amused

    …at the end of the day ,muslims do what they do even better than slaughtering infidels , and that is slaughtering each other . They did that in Iraq before the British got there and they're gonna do it after we leave .

  • KusoJiJi

    can anyone guess why our departure was such a low key event. obama knows exactly what he did, he gave Iraq away to the Iranians, just as the congressional Democrats did when they withdrew support to the South Vietnamese, obama is doing very much the same thing to the iraqi people. The blood that flows here on out is Obama's doing.

  • Amused

    Bull SHEET ,take off your partisan blinders and get your head out from up your butt , you just might understand whats going on over there .By removing Saddam as bad as he was , GW removed the only real deterrent aginst Iranian hegemony .
    Oh …and BTW , it was the Republican Platform under Nixon's -"Peace with Honor " that withdrew American Troops from Vietnam .
    "Low key event " ? Really ? Made every news source in the US , it was pre-announced , Oh you must mean pulling the last troops out unannounced at night fall ….a militarily strategic move to PROTECT the troops …..perhaps you'd have preferred a parade in broad daylight ? There seems to be no limit to the ignorance expressed here by some of you folks.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    I know the last of my family got home last night, not so for everyone but hey they
    did what was expected of them but………………….

    I would have given Sadam two weeks to move to France or some other place of
    comfort for monsters or let him know he and his gang were dead men and would
    not have had to destroy Iraq to do it. The message would clearly have convinced
    him it was leave or die, think of how much blood and treasure that would have
    been saved and yes on the thirteenth day if still in Iraq it would have been his
    last.

    Leaders that are as dangerous as Sadam should go down without the necessity
    of destroying countless lives and the untold misery of war, Amaddinnerjacket
    should be plowed under and all like him as a future reference for would be
    Sadams…………………………………………………………………..William

  • Anamah

    Is a rare case of the so called genius for his media, the super intelligent president that can not do anything positive for the country, can't stop to make mistake after mistake, be wrong on every what he does, and hurt, destroy and ruin our lives for many years to come, willing to crush America and put all of us in a dangerous situation. A pathological case to study in schools of medicine and osteopathic diseases.

  • Anamah

    Is a rare case of the so called genius for his media, the super intelligent president that can not do anything positive for the country, can't stop to make mistake after mistake, be wrong on every what he does, and hurt, destroy and ruin our lives for many years to come, willing to crush America and put all of us in a dangerous situation. A pathological case to study in schools of medicine and sociopathic diseases.

  • Beth

    From the Article: "This is the worst violence to besiege Iraq in months, and it puts an exclamation point on the daunting reality that America may have prematurely left a nation whose government……"

    NO matter when the US Military decides to leave…even if it were 100 years from now….as long as islam is involved – there will always be murderous acts carried out….because that is what their koran produces…..a fact that western powers refuse to address.

  • Amused

    Ahhhh, finally someone who can see beyond political partisan delusion , and recognize the situation for what it truly is .Yes !! you could keep US troops there for a hundred years , and they still would be nothing more than targets ,as muslims relentlessly continue to murder one another [which is their nature and what in fact they do best ]
    Those who persist in blaming US policy ,are no better than those equally deluded fools on the left ,as they pathetically attempt to attack each other in the blame game , over what should be crystal clear -DEMOCRACY HAS NO PLACE IN ISLAM . If " voting " has any function at all amongst these barbarians , it is merely to determine which leader will systematically deprive them of their human rights .
    There are not many here I would exttend my kudos to , but in this Beth you qualify .
    Now lets get our kids tyhe hell out of Afghanistan ! ASAP !

  • Amused

    DELUSION is a two way street Sarah . Yours is no different . Please name ONE COUNTRY ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH WHERE YOUR FAIREY_TALE IS TRUE .
    Democracy in the islamic sense of the word is to MAKE PEOPLE DO WHATEVER ISLAM SAYS THEY ARE FREE TO DO …..and that is N-O-T-H-I-N-G . Muslims would destroy free well if they knew how , but they're doing a good job of trying ….for if you KILL a person , you have in effect destroyed that person's free will as far as life in the corporeal reaslm is concerned .
    Be honest to yourself Sarah .

  • Lightning

    After 10 years and $1.3 trillion it appears that we have yet to establish a stable, effective coalition government in Iraq. We have yet to learn that such a thing is not possible in the autocratic- totalitarian Middle East.

    These are exactly the results one achieves when fighting a politically correct war upon the absurd illusion that, winning the "hearts and minds" of feudal, tribal entity's instead of annihilating them will guarantee peace and stability in the region.

  • Amused

    Colin Powell knew that , when he asked GW if he had the stomach for an invasion of Iraq.

  • KKKK

    i feel the pain of Iraq's Christians. since 2003 they have suffered relentless attacks, massacre, and gencoide from the jihadits. of the 750,000 Assyro-Chaldean Christians in Iraq before the US-lead invasion, les than one-third remain today, and still rapdily declining. on the other hand, the ex-Muslim Iraqi MBBs are rapdily increasing in number up to 100,000 today.

  • SpiritOf1683

    Time you and your parasitical hate-filled brood were sent packing to Pakistan, medieval savage. You're not wanted anywhwere in the free world.