The Pope Occupies Wall Street


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On Monday, the Vatican called for creation of a “global public authority” and a “central world bank” to regulate the world’s financial institutions.  As Reuters reported, “The document from the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department should please the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.”

The Vatican got very specific in its recommendations.  It condemned the “idolatry of the market” and called for global wealth redistribution, asking nations of the world to participate in an “ethic of solidarity.”  In a passage that could have been ripped from Marx, the Vatican stated, “If no solutions are found to the various problems of injustice, the negative effects that will follow on the social, political and economic level will be destined to create a climate of growing hostility and even violence, and ultimately undermine the very foundation of democratic institutions, even the ones considered most solid.”

This is wrongheaded in the extreme.  By impoverishing the middle and upper class in order to press for greater “fairness,” the socialism implicitly supported by this document pushes a utopia of equality in poverty.

But the Vatican’s call for a “central world bank” is telling. It shows where countries that want to cut the U.S. down to size are putting their efforts – into multilateral financial schemes.  China, in language creepily mirroring that of the Vatican, called months ago for “international supervision over the issue of U.S. dollars” and the creation of a “new, stable and secured global reserve currency.”  Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa have called for a new basket of currencies that would act as the global reserve.

Our opponents for fiscal dominance are right to put their focus on our currency, since that is where America is most vulnerable.

When it comes to America’s ability to raise debt in order to finance its outlandish spending habit, we rely on the one foundation-point in an unstable financial world: our status as the global reserve currency.  Being a global reserve currency means that foreign countries stock up on dollars, knowing that they can always use it in trade.  If the dollar lost its status as the global reserve currency, other countries would hold fewer dollars; they would buy fewer bonds, since bonds wouldn’t be as valuable; we wouldn’t be able to raise cash.

There is another problematic element to dropping bond prices – it means that we would have to print dollars or raise taxes in order to pay off bond inflation rates.  When bond prices drop, the interest rates automatically rise.  For example, if a $100 bond has a maturity of $110, it has an interest rate of 9.09%; if then the price goes down to $95, the interest rate will be 13.6%.  With higher interest rates, we have to pay back more money to those who buy bonds.  The deficit worsens.  We either have to raise taxes or print dollars to rectify the imbalance.

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  • WildJew

    Why should this surprise anyone. Last year about this time, the Vatican held a Synod on the Middle East. It was supposed to address Muslim on Christian violence and persecution in the region. Instead the pope allowed it to develop into a hate-fest against Israel and the Jews. With respect to the Muslim war against Israel the Vatican wrote: "We have taken account of the impact of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict on the whole region…..Recourse to theological and biblical positions which use the Word of God to wrongly justify injustices is not acceptable."

    Leading spokesman for the Synod / Vatican, Melkite Greek Catholic Archbishop Cyril Bustros said: "The theme of the Promised Land cannot be used as a basis to justify the return of the Jews to Israel and the expatriation of the Palestinians.

    "We Christians cannot speak of the 'Promised Land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people — all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people."

    Pope Benedict stood by all of this. The Vatican is in league with the anti-Semitic left. This latest turn of events is unsurprising.

    • Josey

      Hey Wild Jew,

      It's too bad that the eastern bishops don't have the guts to speak the truth about their persecution. And there is a strand of anti-semitism in the eastern churches which is disgraceful.

      However, The Greek Melkite bishop has the right to state Christian doctrine. You won't find many of the billion plus Christians who disagree with the notion that the promised land is for all peoples. Its not antisemitic to say so nor is it anti-caholic bigotry to disagree with it.

      Christians in Israel have more rights than Christians in other middle eastern countries. But let's be clear here. Chrisians are routinely discriminated (not persecuted) against in Israel. The Jewish people fought for their land so play by their rules.

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      • Josey

        Continued form above:

        Jews in the US have fought in the wars, climbed to the highest levels of society in this Christian country and rightly so. That rarely, if ever is or will be the case for Christians in the Holy Land.

        This is coming from a visitor who has friends from the various eastern rite churches who has defended the Jews against the usual libels in fornt of those entire communities.

        All this while being tracked, followed and intimitdated by Israeli secret services for the crime of simply being a single Chrstian male flying to Israel on El Al.. The more i come across these one sided statements the less i'm inclined to do so in the future

      • WildJew

        Josey, you say the Greek Melkite Bishop has the right to state Christian doctrine. What is Christian doctrine concerning the Jews? Where can it be found? Is it Christian doctrine that Jews have no Biblical right to the land of Israel? Is it Christian doctrine that God broke His eternal covenant with Israel? Where can this be found in the Hebrew Bible? Did Jesus teach this evil doctrine that the Melkite Bishop has the the right to state? Where did Jesus say God "nullified" His covenant with Israel? Where did Jesus say Israel is no longer God's people?

        • Josey

          Wild Jew,

          What the Bisihop meant (helater clarified his statements -go to jihadwath.com and search his name, you'll find the article) was that Christians and Muslims also have the right to live in the Holy Land as well.

          The chuch's teaching since Vatican II are outlined in the document, Nostre Aetate which basically says the new covenant of God via Christianity does not replace the old covenant of God with the Jews. That's whats all right thinking Christians believe today to as well.

          I consider the Jews our elder brother and sisters in the faith. If you want to know what Jesus said i suggest reading the new testamentyourself. sometime.

          • Josey

            He may not have retracted those specific worlds but he certainly did clariy. So Wild Jew, do you believe Christian and Muslims have a right to live in the Holy Land as well or just Jews?

            How do you know who convinced who? Did you talk to Spencer?

            Yeah, Christ didn't come to abrogate the contract but to fullfill it.

            As far as Paul Johnson goes he's a very liberal historian. Bringing him up would be like me bringing up Alan Dershowits, who supported Obama's Israel policy back in 2008. So did you probably. Reget it now?

            But as they say…..anti-catholic bigotry is the last acceptable form of prejudice.

          • WildJew

            You need to look up the definition of bigotry. It is the Vatican that has historically displayed anti-Israel bigotry, even to this day. By the way, Paul Johnson is widely considered to be a conservative historian. To compare Johnson with Allen Dershowitz is obscene. But you are right about one thing, God did not abrogate His eternal covenant with Israel. He pledged He would not ever break His covenant with His people.

            'Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, nor will I so abhor them as to destroy them, breaking My covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God'. (Leviticus chapter 26)

          • Josey

            I see you took down your last post.. Why is that? And you never answered any of my questions, which really means you answered "no"

            Michale Medved (who really is widely considered to be conservative) said that what unites Jews is not solidarity with Israel but opposition to the Catholic Church.

            Does that make all Jews anti-Catholic bigots? Of course not. I have Jewish friends who aren't. But from your non-response it certainly makes you one.

            Again, I've never said God's covenenant with the Jews was broken.

            And I don't quote the bible to prove my point. That's for the intellectually challenged. But if you ever want me to point out to you the dozens of passages pertaining to the Messiah in the Hebrew Bible, I'd be more than happy to. You probably skipped over them….

            With your attitude, it's little wonder as to why certain people have received so many historic beat downs.

          • WildJew

            I deleted the post above because I wanted to edit it. Often I edit a post when I've worded something poorly. Because you responded to it, my only option was to delete it. No big deal. There was nothing in it that hasn't been discussed.

            As to your question above, do I believe Christian and Muslims have a right to live in the Holy Land as well or just Jews? My answer is based on our Bible, the Torah which you apparently dismiss as "intellectually challenged." Are you an atheist? Why do you think God's word is intellectually challenged?

            In the Torah, God commanded Israel to love, to be kind and just to the alien, the stranger and the sojourner in the land.
            We have wonderful non-Jewish friends of Israel (people who love Israel) living in the land of Israel and they are welcome. They are wonderful neighbors, even if we disagree on some theology. We have the International Christian Embassy in Israel (headquartered in Jerusalem) which does great work for the Jewish people; defending Israel.

            Are Palestinian Muslims and Christians who hate the Jews strangers in our land? I think not? Would Arch Bishop Cyril Bustros, who hates the Jewish people, be my neighbor (?) even as Jesus allegedly defined a neighbor?

            ("A man [like me] was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among robbers, and they stripped [me] and beat [me], and went away leaving him half dead. And by chance a priest was going down on that road, and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

            "Likewise a Levite also, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side."

            But a Samaritan, who was on a journey, came upon him; and when he saw him, he felt compassion and came to him and bandaged up his wounds, pouring oil and wine on them; and he put him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn and took care of him…..") Luke chapter 10

            Bustros is that priest who saw me (an Israelite) and passed by on the other side. He is not my neighbor. A Palestinian Muslim or a Palestinian Christian (like Arch-Bishop Bustros) who hates me and wants to kill me or sympathizes with those who do, is not my neighbor. You – a man who sympathizes with my murderous enemies – are not my neighbor.

            I hope that answers your question.

            I am not a disciple of Michael Medved. He is not my teacher. I disagree with Medved on some issue. On others we agree. Nevertheless, I doubt Medved said, "what unites Jews is not solidarity with Israel but opposition to the Catholic Church."

            If you can produce a link to something which confirms this, I would greatly appreciate it. What Medved likely told his listening audience is that there has been much anti-Semitism promulgated from the leadership of the Catholic church historically. What I posted above from last year's Vatican Synod on the Middle East is further evidence of this Church inspired anti-Semitism.

            You may know, most Jewish organizations and leaders extend the hand of friendship to the Vatican and the pope, including the Anti-Defamation League. I extend my hand in friendship to those who extend their hand in friendship to me.

          • Josey

            Now you start to feign compliments about Christians in the Holy Land….Protestant Christians that is…typical.

            Just because you sympahtise with someone doesn't mean you're on their side. I sympathise with all innocent people who have good will toward Israel.

            On the other hand, I still wonder why after the 6 Day War Israel didn't ship the Palestians to their real homeland, Jordan (of which they already comprise 80% of the population), tear down the Al-Aqsa mosque and put up the 3rd Temple. Now that's a statement. How's the appeasement policy worked since then…any safer?

            Let's be clear, the Vatican extended its hand to most Jewish organisations first, had it slapped down multiple times (udnerstandable) and kept offering it until acceptance because that's the Christian thing to do. By the way, the ADL is notoriously left leaning as well.

          • Josey

            Continued from above:

            Speaking of charity, how many Jewish organisations are there actively helping Paslestian Christians? Answer: ZERO! How many Catholic charities assist non-Catholics worldwide: Answer: HUNDREDS if not thousalnds.

            Divine commandments toward neighbors mean nothing unless they're acted upon. That's why Jesus arrived on the scene, to embody them fully as only God made man could.

            So it appears Wild Jew, you don't consider a friend a Christian who defends Israel to misguided Christians in your own back yard. Or a Christian who goes out of his way to befriend Jews in Israel either. Whose had Jews say they never thought we could be freinds until I extended my hand first. Ever gone out of your way to befriend a sacramental Christian? Answer: NO

            That's ok. I still pray for the safety of Isreal and would put my life on the line if need be as many Christians have over the centuries. But, of course, you wouldn't know anything about that either.

          • WildJew

            Josey, I have stood shoulder to shoulder with my pro-life Catholic friends and neighbors in front of our local abortion mill. Because our local priest is outspokenly pro-life, most of the activists down there counseling mothers on the sidewalk are Catholic. I recruited these pro-life Catholics on our Republican Executive Committee where I was active for eight years. I don't need any lectures from the likes of you. If a Catholic supports the protection of innocent human life, unborn innocent children and innocent victims of suicide / homicide Muslim terror bombings, he or she is my friend. Pope Benedict XVI is not my friend. He supports these murderous jihadists who murder innocent Jewish women and children as a sacrifice to Allah. Benedict is not my friend. Neither are you. Let me be clear. You are with Israel's enemies. You've made your position clear. I hope you have no place in God's kingdom. I hope you are one of those who say, "Lord, lord, didn't I do all kinds of wonderful things in your name…" And the lord you think you serve will say "Depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. I never knew you."

          • Josey

            It's obvous you're a fraud. Wishing for someone to go to hell…typical. The only time you'll get it is if and when you get to heaven and realize that the monothestic God of the Jews just also happends to be the tri-une God of Christianity. Then you'll be enlightened to the divine truth and only then will you and i be friends.

          • Matt

            "Pope Benedict XVI is not my friend. He supports these murderous jihadists…"
            To be more precise, The Roman Catholic church is not, never has been & never will be a friend of Israel. That is not to say that all Catholics are not christians but unfortunately, false Catholic teachings such as their replacement theology, works based salvation & false worship of Mary is satanic no matter which way you try to spin it.
            Successive popes from Urban ll till now have all, without exception been anti Israel.

          • WildJew

            You wrote: "By the way, the ADL is notoriously left leaning as well…."

            Exactly right. What self-respecting conservative or right-leaning Jewish organization would give aid and comfort to or grovel before anti-Semites like the ADL does? It's not just the Vatican ADL grovels and sucks up to, it is this evil Muslim-born U.S. president Abe Foxman and his ADL offer groveling obeisance to.

          • Nina

            Really? Passages in the Bible pertaining to the Messiah? No one would contest this. The question is: which Messiah is the Bible talking about?

          • Matt

            "Nostre Aetate which basically says the new covenant of God via Christianity does not replace the old covenant of God with the Jews. That's whats all right thinking Christians believe today to as well."
            What rubbish, There is no new covenent, period. Vatican ll is disgusting & plainly anti Israel. I suggest you read it & I believe you meant to say, "right thinking Catholics…"
            As Ive stated elsewhere, I am an evangelical christian & there is nothing "holy" eminating from the Vatican or its teachings.

        • grace

          Your question:"Is it Christian doctrine that Jews have no Biblical right to the land of Israel? Is it Christian doctrine that God broke His eternal covenant with Israel?"

          Yes, God's covenant with Israel is always conditional upon that they obey God and His law. " …Exo 19:5 Now IF YOU will FAITHFULLY OBEY ME, you will be my very own people.". (See Deu 18:15-68) But they transgressed God's law and broke the covenant with God. So the OLD covenant is no longer stand but a new covenant was promised to all who believes.Jer 11:10 "They have sinned in the same way their ancestors did, by turning from me and worshiping other gods. The northern kingdom of Israel broke the agreement I made with your ancestors, and now the southern kingdom of Judah has done the same. " Jer 31:31-32 "The LORD said: The time will surely come when I will make a new agreement with the people of Israel and Judah. It will be different from the agreement I made with their ancestors when I led them out of Egypt. Although I was their God, they broke that agreement. " Yet the Jews rejected the New Convent.

          Your question:"Where did Jesus say God "nullified" His covenant with Israel? Where did Jesus say Israel is no longer God's people?"

          Yes. Mat 21:43-45 "'…I tell you that God's kingdom will be taken from you and given to people who will do what he demands. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will be crushed, and anyone it falls on will be smashed to pieces.' When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard these stories, they knew that Jesus was talking about them. "

          By mistreating and robbing the Palestinian people, the Jews has already violate the 10 commandments. So they are no longer Jews. Because Romans 2:29 "To be a real Jew you must obey the Law. True circumcision is something that happens deep in your heart, not something done to your body. "

          • WildJew

            You wrote: "Yes, God's covenant with Israel is always conditional upon that they obey God and His law. " …Exo 19:5 Now IF YOU will FAITHFULLY OBEY ME, you will be my very own people…."

            God's covenant was / is conditional to the extent that blessings from God will be realized by obeying His voice; through keeping His covenant. You are correct. It applies to the entire earth; to all the nations on the earth. For example, if America continues this godless slide toward evil – especially since Americans elected Barack Hussein Obama and all he entails – God will not continue to bless America. Likewise, realization of God's blessings are conditional for Israel, but the covenant itself is eternal. God made a covenant with Abraham and his son Isaac; with Isaac's son Jacob concerning the land of Israel. It was and is eternal. True, the Jewish people's ability to dwell in the land was conditioned on keeping God's covenant.

            Not so the covenant itself.

            'Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, nor will I so abhor them as to destroy them, breaking My covenant with them; for I am the LORD their God'. (Leviticus chapter 26)

            There is nothing new about the so-called "new" covenant in the thirty first chapter of Jeremiah.

            God said, "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days," declares the LORD, "I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

            Notice God addresses "the house of Israel." This is exactly what Moses said he wanted the House of Israel to do. We are to put God's law within our hearts. For the edification of your hate-filled heart, you might read the remainder of the chapter concerning God and his eternal covenant with Israel:

            Jer 31:35 Thus says the LORD, Who gives the sun for light by day And the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, Who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar; The LORD of hosts is His name:

            "If this fixed order departs From before Me," declares the LORD, "Then the offspring (literally zera or seed, semen, etc.) of Israel also will cease From being a nation before Me forever."

            You wrote: "When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard these stories, they knew that Jesus was talking about THEM."

            The prophet Isaiah wrote of you and those like you:

            "Now therefore, what do I have here," declares the LORD, "seeing that My people have been taken away without cause?" Again the LORD declares, "Those who rule over them howl, and My name is continually blasphemed all day long…."

          • Nina

            Yes, but this was written at least one hundred years after Jesus's death. By Christian appologists, of course. No one knows what Jesus really said because there is nothing to show except heresy. So from all history knows, Jesus was born a Jew and died a Jew. That means he followed the Bible like any other Jew.

      • Matt

        Josey,
        Your statement that the promised land is for all peoples is inncorrect & is very close to the false Catholic doctrine of replacement theology. Gods covenent with Israel is everlasting & has not been replaced by a new one with the church or the Vatican. Your claim of 1 billion+ christians who agree with Israel being for all people is misleading & is a reference to Catholisism, not Christianity.

      • Matt

        Further,
        If gods covenent with Israel is no longer valid & has been replaced, God is a liar, the Bible is no longer an accurate account of past & future events & the basis of Christianity falls over.

    • Asher

      Evil has been disguised and rears its ugly head. The Anti-Christ will rise from the Roman Empire and Unite the European Union, the demise of the West must happen before the One World Government takes its place as the Big Power!

    • http://www.mcbcministries.org Phil

      If the Pope/Vatican wants the redistribution of the world's wealth – let them lead by example and sell off their vast holdings in gold, land, and other wealth. For Pope Benedict to call capitalism 'idolatry' is hypocritical to say the least. No religion promotes, condones and endorses idolatry more than the Roman Catholic Church.

      The leading spokesman for the Synod (Bustros) demonstrates extreme ignorance of what the Bible teaches by denying that God's covenant with Abraham is everlasting. The Bible repeats the everlasting nature of this covenant in many O.T. verses.

      The simple truth is that the Roman Catholic Church and it's popes are fulfilling the prophecies of Revelation (where it is aptly described as the 'great whore' – Rev. 17:1).

  • GH4

    Traditionally, these offenses were punished by automatic excommunication.

  • elihu

    It won't be too long now; watch and pray. The global events are tracking right along, line by line, with the prophecies in "The Book".

  • SHmuelHaLevi

    Any moment now we are changing the Old Testament to fit the German Pope and islamic "priests", interpretations of the word of G.d.
    The fact that Roman mass murderers and pillagers invaded and enslaved and murdered and stole and destroyed, does not allocate rights to the Papal seat as a line successor of the mentioned hordes.
    He would be well advised to return to us the Temple items his ancestors stole and are kept in the Vatican vaults.
    The Land of Israel was, is and will be the Heritage of the Jewish people.
    Meandering foreigners either internalizes this or not. Few would care either way.

    • Josey

      Hey Levi,

      Abraham was born in Ur, modern day Iraq.

      Mohammed was born in Medina, Saudi Arabia.

      Jesus Christ* was born in Bethlehem of Judea

      * the most influential man in the history of world sans comparision

      • Herman Caintonette

        Never mind that in real life, he was just an obscure Essene rabbi who, like L. Ron Hubbard, his followers deified. Justus of Tiberias and Philo of Alexandria never even bothered to mention him, even though they were in a position to witness his activities at first-hand.

        • Josey

          good comparison with Hubbad, you must be from Hollywood…

          Never mind that in real life Christ was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, died as a Jew and will return as a Jew….

          it's typical for people to hate an institution for what they perceive it to be rather than follow the truth…

    • grace

      True, the Roman pope is the antichrist power. But it was also ordained by God that the Land of Israel was taken away by the Romans, because the Jews rebelled against God, and rejected and crucified His Son. Jesus prophesied this in Olivette discourse. Luk 21:20 "But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. "

      Now the only way for the Jews as individuals to have a future is to repent and obey the gospel and make peace with God, and to be admitted to the eternal kingdom yet to come. This eternal kingdom is not an earthly kingdom but a heavenly kingdom. As far as the modern nation of Israel, it is only a earthly regime that will be destroyed by the God along with every other nations, including the "evil Roman Empire" who served as a tool of God to destroy an obstinate people who betrayed Him.

      • Nina

        Ha, ha!

  • http://freedomradiorocks.com Pat

    I would suggest that the man concentrate his efforts on his own house.

    And then lead by example by redistributing the wealth of the Church. Not a bone to pick with the church; I have a bone to pick with any entity that thinks they have the authority to tell you what to do with your money.

    • davarino

      Its funny how those with money want everyone else to do the giving. This is reminiscent of Warren Buffet. If they want to redistribute wealth, why dont they just do it?

      • no_spamola

        AMEN!!!

    • no_spamola

      Oh man, isn't that the truth!!

  • Rifleman

    Compulsory charity is theft, and theft is injustice. There's a commandment against theft, and Jesus never contradicted any commandment..

  • Dispozadaburka

    Enter the "AMERCO."
    NWO

  • John

    Everyone knows in the Vatican that the media would manipulate all its documents once published. The liberal journalists we have today are "bums with coat and tie who feed their family with deceptions and manipulations."

  • StephenD

    “If no solutions are found to the various problems of injustice…."
    The false premise being that non-redistribution of wealth is an injustice.
    Rifleman said it best; "Compulsory charity is theft, and theft is injustice. There's a commandment against theft, and Jesus never contradicted any commandment…."
    I was raised Catholic (not a practicing one but a Christian in the narrower sense now). I have a real problem with the statements highlighted by WildJew "This promise was nullified by Christ. " This is a lie of the Devil. G_d does not break covenants. This 'Agreement' with the Jewish people is FOREVER. I believe he made a new one with us Christians but that does not negate the one he made with you. This is tantamount to Blasphemy to my mind.
    No surprise though; we have been told that the day would come where good would be called evil and evil good.

  • tagalog

    The Pope says that there will be trouble if no solutions are found to the problems of injustice? Well, maybe he's right. Of course Jesus said "the poor you will always have with you." But forget that. This is from the POPE.

    So, injustice; to understand injustice, we probably ought to develop some idea of what justice is, so that we can go on to figure out when injustice occurs. So, justice, what is it?

    1. When people work hard, they are more likely to succeed financially than if they simply sit tight and wait for help;

    2. If people decide to sit tight, they might want to vote for laws that make government give them other peoples' money to help them survive. How is this just? What happens when the government runs out of money and the people they've been giving money to no longer can get the money? They're going to go hungry and since they're not used to exerting themselves and making sacrifices in order to meet their need, they're going to suffer badly;

    3. Those who are able to make things that people want, and make them better, are going to make money. Sometimes, a LOT of money. This appears entirely rational and just. So the wealthy are not necessarily benefiting from injustice, are they?

    4. People who work hard and accumulate wealth don't appear to have any obligation to give any of their hard-won wealth to those who could have worked hard and accumulated their own wealth but didn't. Those poor who have suffered through no fault of their own arguably deserve help. Charity. Help given voluntarily, in God's name or for the sake of virtue. Help mandated by the government is not charity and does not serve virtue and is not given in God's name but in the name of the state.

    5. Is it justice for the state to provide for the governed? Sure. Better the state provide for the poor than spend the money on war or something like that. But if the state's largesse runs out, where is the justice then? What if the money NEEDS to be spent on war rather than welfare? Where is the justice then? What if the welfare state causes all of the governed to see themselves as needy, what then? Where will we get the laborers to work to create the wealth? What if the state takes so much of the created wealth that workers no longer find it worthwhile to work and decide to become poor and go on the state dole? Is that just?

    6. What effect will the state's supporting people have on people bonding together to build families? If everyone can go on the dole, what incentive is there to marry, have children, and support a family?

  • Brujo Blanco

    It is apparent that the Pope did not get over being a member of the Hitler Youth. He seems to be talking about some dorm of International Socialism. I believe he has demonstrated that he is anti-Jewish.

    • Josey

      Brujo,

      The Pope was conscripted into the military and at first chance, deserted, which was punishable by death if caught. Get a clue…..

    • http://www.neilcadman.com Neil Cadman

      The Papacy has always been anti- Semitic.

  • tagalog

    Occupy Wall Street and now the Pope say: "Hey you homeless and needy! Get your problems away from us! We're trying to feed our bourgeois demonstrators lasagna and other fancy-schmancy meals, and get the student loans they voluntarily took out for their useless degrees forgiven! We're not interested in whether or not you get fed, although you can have some of our gruel! Leave us alone!"

  • Herman Caintonette

    StephenD: "The false premise being that non-redistribution of wealth is an injustice. "

    Society has always determined who gets what, when, and why. You don't create wealth on your own, and you can't keep it on your own. If all the benefits of society goes to the few, the many no longer have a vested interest in sustaining it. In the words of Theodore Roosevelt, "This country will not be a permanently good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a reasonably good place for all of us to live in."

    • tagalog

      Both Marx and Locke agreed on one thing: the laborer is entitled to the value of what he makes.

      When a capitalist builds the factory and provides the means by which the laborer creates wealth, the capitalist claims a part of that value as his own. Marx said that is theft, Locke and Adam Smith say that it is a sharing of wealth created by pooled resources.

      Any society that distributes the wealth (and all of them do) is a just society to the extent that it fosters the creation of renewed wealth so that it remains rational to talk of distributing benefits rather than to fall back upon austerity and poverty.

      Problems arise when we take one step back from the surplus-value issue. Marx claims that the means of production, whoever provided them in the first place, ought to belong to the laborer, and the laborer should take them by force if necessary. Locke and Smith say that whoever can afford to purchase the means of production ought to be their owner. The conflict is a property issue, and from its earliest days, command-system economics hold that all property should be owned by the laborers or their representatives (i.e., the state) while free-market systems hold that property should be privately owned by those who can afford it.

      Which system is most just and moral? If depends on whether you believe in collectivism and classism or whether you're an individualist and not a believer in classes of persons in a society.

      History has taught us that command systems tend to go broke while free markets tend to be prosperous. Current events suggest that modified free markets that have significant welfare safety nets built into their political systems also tend to go broke.

      Economic systems that tend to go broke do not do justice to the members of the society.

      • Herman Caintonette

        The right answer is, as is often the case, somewhere in the middle. You don't make a fortune on your own; government provides the infrastructure essential for capitalist ventures to succeed.

        We haven't had a free market since Leland Stanford was in short pants, due to the principles of economies of scale. You can't build a nuclear power plant in two hours in your basement. Every rational capitalist wants to become a monopolist; rational regulations seek to prevent that, thereby approximating the free market.

    • fiddler

      Dude. You wallow in your emotional "good intentions". Remember, Robin Hood robbed from government, not businesses. If someone who created an idea, marketed it and after the demand became too great hired others to work for them, THEN later turn around "you" turn around and say "nope, that's too much for you" time to forcibly redistribute your wealth, HOW IS THAT MORAL? Is theft justified against those who certain elite think don't "deserve" it!

      Taking from someone what they have earned is not assuring equity; it is propagating tyrrany! And for what motive; if not for stealing hearts for yourself; assuring your power as one that "knows better".

      • Herman Caintonette

        It is not so much good intentions or "morality" as it is efficient market theory, and the logical implications of Arthur Laffer's work. When the wealthy appropriate too large a piece of the pie, total economic output falls, owing to the concept of diminishing returns. Think about it: Do you really NEED that fourteenth Bentley? Trickle-down economics has no basis in sound economic theory, because rich folk don't create jobs; CUSTOMERS do.

        The only coherent explanation for our recently-downgraded 10-year Treasuries yielding 2% to maturity is that there is too much capital pursuing too few viable investment opportunities. No customers, no markets, and no expansion. It is Depression Economics, plain and simple.

        It's not my idea; it's Thomas Jefferson's. http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents… And as far as my views on protectionism are concerned, they come from Alexander Hamilton.

  • poetcomic1

    The 'Vatican' did not call for anything. This is a 2nd rate committee 'white paper'.

  • Ben

    Today it`s not allways pleasant for the conservative people to see the churches that support slogan of social justice in their persuit of running flock

  • LindaRivera

    To Josey:

    Leading spokesman for the Synod / Vatican, Melkite Greek Catholic Archbishop Cyril Bustros said: "The theme of the Promised Land cannot be used as a basis to justify the return of the Jews to Israel and the expatriation of the Palestinians.

    "We Christians cannot speak of the 'Promised Land' as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people — all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people."

    The promise to Jews was NOT nullified by Christ! There is not a single scripture in the Bible that says it was nullified. G-D's Word is eternal. G-D is NOT a promise breaker! G-D's character is flawless and perfect. G-D and His Word can be trusted completely!

    Although most Jews were driven out of Israel, there has always been a remnant of incredibly brave Jews who have always lived in Israel, especially in and around Jerusalem. But it was G-D HIMSELF who brought Jews back in significant numbers to the Biblical Holy Land. Prophesied by G-D thousands of years ago!

    Psalm 135:4 For the L-RD has chosen Jacob for Himself, Israel for His own possession.
    Psalm 135:12 And He gave their land as a heritage, a heritage to Israel His people.
    1 Chronicles 17:22 For Your people Israel You made Your own people forever.
    Jeremiah 12:15 after I have uprooted them, I will again have compassion on them; and I will bring them back, each one to his inheritance and each one to his land.

    Ezekial 36:24 For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land.
    28 You will live in the land that I gave to your forefathers; so you will be Me people, and I will be your G-D.
    29 I will call for the grain and multiply it. 30 I will multiply the fruit of the tree and the produce of the field.

    WHO WILL DARE TO CALL G-D A LIAR?

    For almost 2,000 years G-D kept Israel a barren land so that no one wanted this desolate, barren land. Very few people lived there. When G-D started to bring Jews back in significant numbers in the late 1800s (as He had prophesied), a huge miracle took place, Jews transformed the barren land of swamp and desert into rich agricultural land. This brought a large number of Arab Muslims from other countries into Jewish Palestine seeking jobs from the Jews. Muslims who later claimed that it was their land.

    • Rev. Roy Trepanier

      Bravo Linda. I couldn't have said it better myself. But for the anti-semites out there, let's give them Isaiah 42:6 where God states that He has given the Jews "as a covenant to the people (Gentiles), as a light to the Gentiles". Wow, God has given the Jewish nation to the world as a gift and as a light to show ua the way. And Mathew 25:40 follows up with whatever we do for the Jews, it's the same as doing it to/for Christ.
      Hmmmmmmm…better watch how we treat the Jewish people, eh??
      Rev. Roy…..<><

    • Josey

      yo…see my response above…context is everything..

      • WildJew

        In other words, "I don't have a leg to stand on." You might look up the definition of bigotry. It is the Vatican that has historically displayed anti-Israel bigotry, even to this day.

    • grace

      You said "The promise to Jews was NOT nullified by Christ! There is not a single scripture in the Bible that says it was nullified. G-D's Word is eternal. G-D is NOT a promise breaker!"

      You are wrong! God's covenant with Israel is always conditional upon that they obey God and His law. " …Exo 19:5 Now IF YOU will FAITHFULLY OBEY ME, you will be my very own people.". (See Deu 18:15-68) But they transgressed God's law and broke the covenant with God. So the OLD covenant is no longer stand but a new covenant was promised to all who believes.Jer 11:10 "They have sinned in the same way their ancestors did, by turning from me and worshiping other gods. The northern kingdom of Israel broke the agreement I made with your ancestors, and now the southern kingdom of Judah has done the same. " Jer 31:31-32 "The LORD said: The time will surely come when I will make a new agreement with the people of Israel and Judah. It will be different from the agreement I made with their ancestors when I led them out of Egypt. Although I was their God, they broke that agreement. " Yet the Jews rejected the New Convent. This nullified their status as a nation of God 's chosen people.

      Mat 21:43-45Jesus said: "'…I tell you that God's kingdom will be taken from you and given to people who will do what he demands. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will be crushed, and anyone it falls on will be smashed to pieces.' When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard these stories, they knew that Jesus was talking about them. "

      By mistreating and robbing the Palestinian people, the Jews has already violate the 10 commandments. So they are no longer Jews. Because Romans 2:29 "To be a real Jew you must obey the Law. True circumcision is something that happens deep in your heart, not something done to your body. "

      True, the Roman pope is the antichrist power. But it was also ordained by God that the Land of Israel was taken away by the Romans, because the Jews rebelled against God, and rejected and crucified His Son. Jesus prophesied this in Olivette discourse. Luk 21:20 "But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. "

      Now the only way for the Jews as individuals to have a future is to repent and obey the gospel and make peace with God, and to be admitted to the eternal kingdom yet to come. This eternal kingdom is not an earthly kingdom but a heavenly kingdom. As far as the modern nation of Israel, it is only a earthly regime that will be destroyed by the God along with every other nations, including the "evil Roman Empire" who served as a tool of God to destroy an obstinate people who betrayed Him.

  • avantibev

    It was a white paper from ONE office – dominated by Euro-socialists – and not a teaching of the Catholic Church nor was it issued by the Pope himself in conjunction with the magisteriam of the Church. "The Vatican" has as many entrenched bureaucrats as the US Federal Government or our state governments. A new President does not sweep clean all the bureuacracy anymore than a new Pope does. That is why so many times one is disappointed after a Presidential (or Papal) election that things do not change fast enough. Pope Benedict is steering the barque of Peter but it is like turning an air craft carrier not a power boat!

  • Sonnys_Mom

    Politically conservative Catholics, there are a few sane, steadfast voices left– Father Robert Sirico being one.

    For a thoughtful analysis of Benedict XVI's recent “note” on economics, titled “Toward Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority,” see Fr. Sirico's blog entry– http://blog.acton.org/archives/26989-rev-sirico-t
    – as well as his 10/27/11 WSJ article in its entirety– http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203

    This is a good time for readers to get to know the Acton Institute, whose mission is "to promote a free and virtuous society characterized by individual liberty and sustained by religious principles."

    Fr. Sirico is a frequent guest on Raymond Arroyo's The World Over (broadcast on both EWTN TV and radio.)

    • Ben Traina

      Yo Sonnys_Mom,
      I agree totally with you. Official Church policy re: capitalist economics was laid out by Pope Leo XIII in his1891 encyclical "Rerum Novarum". Before ANYBODY comments on Roman Catholic Church economic positions they should have a passing knowledge of it.
      I just saw on tv some idiot priest from Georgetown Univ. say that the Pope would be "more comfortable" with the "OWSers" than at a Tea Party meeting. Outrageous!!
      Universalist heretic,
      Ben Traina

  • grace

    God's covenant with Israel is always conditional upon that they obey God and His law. " …Exo 19:5 Now IF YOU will FAITHFULLY OBEY ME, you will be my very own people.". (See Deu 18:15-68) But they transgressed God's law and broke the covenant with God. So the OLD covenant is no longer stand but a new covenant was promised to all who believes.Jer 11:10 "They have sinned in the same way their ancestors did, by turning from me and worshiping other gods. The northern kingdom of Israel broke the agreement I made with your ancestors, and now the southern kingdom of Judah has done the same. " Jer 31:31-32 "The LORD said: The time will surely come when I will make a new agreement with the people of Israel and Judah. It will be different from the agreement I made with their ancestors when I led them out of Egypt. Although I was their God, they broke that agreement. " Yet the Jews rejected the New Convent. This nullified their status as a nation of God 's chosen people.

    Mat 21:43-45Jesus said: "'…I tell you that God's kingdom will be taken from you and given to people who will do what he demands. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will be crushed, and anyone it falls on will be smashed to pieces.' When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard these stories, they knew that Jesus was talking about them. "

    By mistreating and robbing the Palestinian people, the Jews has already violate the 10 commandments. So they are no longer Jews. Because Romans 2:29 "To be a real Jew you must obey the Law. True circumcision is something that happens deep in your heart, not something done to your body. "

    True, the Roman pope is the antichrist power. But it was also ordained by God that the Land of Israel was taken away by the Romans, because the Jews rebelled against God, and rejected and crucified His Son. Jesus prophesied this in Olivette discourse. Luk 21:20 "But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand. Then let them that are in Judaea flee unto the mountains; and let them that are in the midst of her depart out; and let not them that are in the country enter therein. For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. "

    Now the only way for the Jews as individuals to have a future is to repent and obey the gospel and make peace with God, and to be admitted to the eternal kingdom yet to come. This eternal kingdom is not an earthly kingdom but a heavenly kingdom. As far as the modern nation of Israel, it is only a earthly regime that will be destroyed by the God along with every other nations, including the "evil Roman Empire" who served as a tool of God to destroy an obstinate people who betrayed Him.

    • LindaRivera

      To Grace:

      You give the following scripture:
      Mat 21:43-45Jesus said: "'…I tell you that God's kingdom will be taken from you and given to people who will do what he demands. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will be crushed, and anyone it falls on will be smashed to pieces.' When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard these stories, they knew that Jesus was talking about them. "

      I am always distressed that some people pick out certain scriptures that are given to certain INDIVIDUALS (in this case, the chief priests and the Pharisees) and then apply these scriptures to the ENTIRE JEWISH PEOPLE. Jesus was NOT referring to the entire Jewish people.

      Grace, you state:
      the Jews rebelled against God, and rejected and crucified His Son.

      The Bible clearly states that Gentiles, Roman soldiers crucified Jesus. Also, Jesus disciples were Jewish and the leaders of the church were Jewish. Jesus was born into the Jewish race traced all the way back to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

      Please also, see my additional comments.

  • LindaRivera

    To Grace:

    You give the following scripture:
    Mat 21:43-45Jesus said: "'…I tell you that God's kingdom will be taken from you and given to people who will do what he demands. Anyone who stumbles over this stone will be crushed, and anyone it falls on will be smashed to pieces.' When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard these stories, they knew that Jesus was talking about them. "

    I am always distressed that some people pick out certain scriptures that are given to certain INDIVIDUALS (in this case, the chief priests and the Pharisees) and then apply these scriptures to the ENTIRE JEWISH PEOPLE. Jesus was NOT referring to the entire Jewish people.

    Grace, you state:
    the Jews rebelled against God, and rejected and crucified His Son.

    The Bible clearly states that Gentiles, Roman soldiers crucified Jesus. Also, Jesus disciples were Jewish and the leaders of the church were Jewish. Jesus was born into the Jewish race traced all the way back to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

  • LindaRivera

    Grace,
    You state:
    "Now the only way for the Jews as individuals to have a future is to repent and obey the gospel"

    Grace, why do you conveniently ignore the Crusades, the pogroms, the rapes, the tortures so dreadful they cannot be printed, the barbaric murders, the Inquisitions perpetrated against Jews by apostate Christians and the apostate Christian church? Blaspheming G-D – Killing in the Name of G-D. Finally, culminating in the Holocaust. And this is the evil example for Jews to "obey the gospel". Jews identify Christianity with suffering. Maybe you can explain how Jews can "obey the gospel" under these circumstances?

    Grace, you state:
    "As far as the modern nation of Israel, it is only a earthly regime that will be destroyed by the God along with every other nations, including the "evil Roman Empire" who served as a tool of God to destroy an obstinate people who betrayed Him."

    Grace, WHO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE REALLY BETRAYED GOD?

    • Abisja

      Linda, Why do you and many others keep on mentioning the Crusades – many of those "braves" took part because of the forgiveness of their sins(as if any man(pope) can forgive sin). I am very much pro Israel and have been following events in that land since the first Scriptures were penned.

      Many people are ignorant of the fact that millions of Believers were never part of the RC religion; they had nothing to protest about and were therefore also not part of the Reformation – BUT, as many as 53mil. died in the fires and torture chambers of Rome and else where. To this day not a word of repentance from the vatican. Let Ratzinger speak up about the "ratlines" through the vatican, allowing thousands of Nazi war criminals to escape to South America. No thumb sucking here – read "A Woman Rides The Beast" by Dave Hunt.

      A good idea for the RC religion would be to sell off their riches and get the ball rolling for the poor of this world. Then keep their noses out of affairs that has nothing to do with Scripture and start carrying out the great Commission – EVANGELIZE!

  • LindaRivera

    Grace,
    You state: "By mistreating and robbing the Palestinian people".

    Jews have NOT robbed Palestinian Authority Muslims!

    Arabs first started calling themselves "Palestinians" in 1967. Global terrorist, Egyptian Arafat was the first leader of this new people. Partner with Arafat for over 40 years; immorally respected by the US/EU-Holocaust denier, Abbas, financed the massacre of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympic Games.

    Before 1948, Jews were known as the Palestinians.
    The Jewish newspaper, the Jerusalem Post was called the Palestine Post. The Jewish-founded electric company was Palestine Electric. The Palestinian Symphony Orchestra was all Jewish. During World War II, the British army had a Palestinian Brigade made up entirely of Jewish volunteers.

    After Jews migrated to Palestine in significant numbers in the late 1800s and miraculously transformed desert and swamps into rich, agricultural land, Arabs came in large numbers from Arab countries for jobs from Jews.

    The fact that the overwhelming majority of Arabs resided only briefly in Palestine is attested to by a one-time special UN decree: that any Arab who had resided in Palestine for only two years before 1948, and then left, would be considered a refugee and so would his descendants!

    Throughout history, people were never regarded as refugees if they had resided in a country for only two years because they were clearly citizens of other countries!

  • LindaRivera

    Grace,
    You state:
    "By mistreating and robbing the Palestinian people."

    Grace, who is really doing the mistreating?

    In the filthy, Islamic invasion of Church of Nativity in Bethlehem, Judea, Israel, Muslims TORE UP BIBLES FOR TOILET PAPER.

    If Jesus had been born in this time period, from the time Jesus was carried in his mother's womb, Jesus, his mother and family would have been targeted for MURDER by the Islamics for being JEWS living in their JEWISH homeland.

    Barbaric murderers of Jews are regarded as huge heroes by the PLO/Palestinian Authority organization and by Palestinian Authority Muslims. Sports teams, streets, schools, and city squares are named after, and dedicated to savage terrorist killers of Jews.

    The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish mother, Tali Hatuel, and 4 little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004.

    This is one in a Very Long List of Horrendous Major Muslim Terrorist Attacks in Israel :
    March 2, 2002: Ten people were killed and over 50 were injured in a suicide bombing at 7 pm on Saturday evening near a yeshiva in the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yisrael neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem where people had gathered for a bar-mitzva celebration.

    The terrorist detonated the bomb next to a group of women waiting with their baby carriages for their husbands to leave the nearby synagogue. Six children were among the victims. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the attack. http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp

    Muslim killers of Jewish children are adored-Palestinian Authority newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida called savage child-killer Kuntar "a beacon of light" and an "authentic role model." Palestinian Authority leader, Abbas, called Kuntar a hero.

  • Bugiada

    Ben:
    I have a tremendous amount of respect for you, but I must rebuke you on this article. Neither the Pope, nor "The Vatican," are recommending a World Bank. Check out the article by George Weigel in National Review Online dated 24 October entitled, "The Pope, Chaplain to OWS? Rubbish!" He really says it best.
    -Bob Bugiada

  • WildJew

    Pope Benedict XVI prays at Blue Mosque in Turkey

    Europe – International Herald Tribune
    By Ian Fisher
    Published: Monday, October 30, 2006

    ISTANBUL — Pope Benedict XVI, who spurred anger among Muslims just two months ago, stood Thursday in silent prayer, facing Mecca, alongside a Muslim prelate in one of the world's most important mosques.

    The image – of two men in white, the 79-year-old pope and Mustafa Cagrici, the head of religious affairs for Istanbul, under the ornate domes of the Blue Mosque – sealed a trip in which Benedict repeatedly underscored his desire to reconcile Christians and Muslims…..

  • evy

    This document from the Vatican in essence calls for one global authority, a one world economic system, a one world goverment, and a one world spirituality (one religion). Further, it states that ALL must participate, and it will be painful. (Read the entire document directly for yourself.) For students of Bible, this feels like the books of Daniel and Revelation unrolling before our eyes.,,the end times trilogy under the headship of 'that son of perdition.' Now is time to wake out of sleep.