Oslo and the Dangers of Moral Equivalence


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The revelation that the perpetrator of the terrorist attacks in Oslo, Anders Behring Breivik, is a self-described Christian and conservative is sure to provoke an outburst of the moral equivalence favored by apologists for jihadism. Ever since 9/11, those unwilling to confront the theology of violence in Islam have relied on the tu quoque fallacy––“you do it too”––to dismiss the role of Islamic doctrine in Muslim terrorism. In this argument, all religions have violent extremists, and so it is irrational bigotry to suggest that there’s something in Islam that makes such violence more acceptable and legitimate.

After 9/11, for example, the fact that the Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was a nominal Methodist was presented as evidence for Christian terrorism––even though he died a self-professed unrepentant agnostic––or used as an example of how religious affiliation had nothing to do with Muslim violence, as Greg Easterbrook did in his book The Progress Paradox. The tendentious depiction of the Crusades in popular culture, as in Ridley Scott’s historically ignorant Kingdom of Heaven, went even further, suggesting that Christianity’s record of religiously inspired violence was worse than Islam’s. More recently, during Representative Pete King’s hearings into Muslim extremism in America, Representative Sheila Jackson Lee scolded King for ignoring “Christian militants.”

Or consider the six-hour CNN documentary, God’s Warriors, which appeared in 2007. Its host Christine Amanpour not only equated the tiny number of Christian and Jewish terrorists with the vastly greater number of jihadists, but also implied that Jewish militants were the cause of Muslim violence: “The impact of God’s Jewish warriors goes far beyond these rocky hills [i.e. Jewish West Bank settlements]. The Jewish settlements have inflamed much of the Muslim world.”  So, too, historian of religion Philip Jenkins, who told NPR that “the Islamic scriptures in the Quran [concerning war] were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible.” The serial apologist for jihad John Esposito wrote in his book Unholy War, “Terrorists can attempt to hijack Islam and the doctrine of jihad, but that is no more legitimate than Christian and Jewish extremists committing their acts of terrorism in their own unholy wars in the name of Christianity and Judaism.” An atheist Richard Dawkins makes the same argument, alleging that Christian fundamentalists “fuel their tanks at the same holy gas station” as Muslim terrorists.

The absurdity of these arguments is patent. First, the number of attacks attributable to self-professed Christian terrorists is miniscule compared to the toll of Islamic jihadists––17,489 since 9/11, as counted and documented by Religion of Peace. More important, though the former terrorists may call themselves Christian, only a tiny handful of Christians would accept that label, contrary to the wide acceptance and approval of jihadist terrorism that can be found throughout the Muslim world. For example, a recent Pew survey found that one in five people in Egypt view al Qaeda favorably, the same percentage in supposedly moderate Indonesia, figures representing over 60 million people. It is unimaginable that a similar survey about Breivik would generate anything more than a rounding-error’s worth of Christians supporting him.

This fact reflects the most obvious fallacy behind the moral equivalence argument: the complete lack of anything remotely resembling a theology of violence in the Bible. Yes, there is plenty of blood and guts in the Old Testament, but as Raymond Ibrahim points out, the references to those battles are “descriptive, not prescriptive,” and reflect history rather than theology. There is nothing in the Bible remotely similar to the numerous commands to wage war against the infidel that can be found in the Koran, the hadiths, the biographies of Mohammed, and 14 centuries of Islamic jurisprudence, commentary, history, and theology.

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  • deleted6156969

    These quotes come straight from Breivik's mega-crazy PDF of his culture / race purity plans for Europe.

    On page 676, of his Nazi diatribe, Breivik states categorically that he is NOT religious… "Although not a religious person myself"

    And he says it again on page 681…"As a non-religious person"

    This nut went out of his way to say he was NOT a Christian, or any kind of believer.
    This is a leftist narrative to try and associate Biblical Christianity with an insane wicked murderer.

    • a12iggymom

      I have been following this and researching too, thanks for adding this. still reading through the manifesto, all 1518 pages. Why is there no report on the six arrests this weekend in connection to this crime? Or the fact he said "An alliance with the Jihadists might prove beneficial to both parties but will simply be too dangerous (and might prove to be ideologically counter-productive). We both share one common goal. They want control over their own countries in the Middle East and we want control of our own countries in Western Europe." Doesn't fit the American or European agenda…

      • RonWagner

        Very important point. This is the first I have heard about it. Please comment in the NYT article comments.

        How can I find the manifesto?

    • C Read

      Good information. No surprise that the MSM is not relaying this.

    • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

      Yes, that was a leftist narrative…

      I do not quite understand why all this crowd of islamic apologists and "multi-culti" liberasts got so excited in their expose of "islamophobia" right now…

      1) Islamophobia is good. Islamohatia is even better. We need more of both.

      2) That Norwegian murderer in fact did not aim to murder any moslems (and perhaps murdered not one of them).

      3) The Norwegian murderer had vague "grievances" against the Norwegian government and its "multi-culti" role in ruining Norway. Well, the grievances were quite proper, yet the way of their resolution – criminal and damaging the cause, if there were one.

      4) It is not yet known if the murderer had associates, and which kind.

      5) In case of Oklahoma bombing, McVey did have islamic (Iraqi) associates. It is just obvious that our islamic enemies within may look for "Christian looking accomplices" with some crazy grievances. For islam that would be much more productive to commit terror this way than to employ their own kind shouting Allah stinks or whatever…

    • old white guy

      this man was not a Christian. many say they are Christians but the are not. i think Christ would disavow them all. duh.

    • volanj

      No, these quotes are from Fjordman’s articles Brevik included in his manifesto in full.
      .
      “Athough not a religious person myself” – came from http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1357
      “As a non-religious person” – see http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1611

    • eww

      Breivik also renounces Nazism explicitly and tells Nazis to "grow up" .
      Quote: p.1355 of pdf
      "I am well aware that 20-30% of them ("so called "Neo-Nazis"")really hates Jews and support most aspects of national-socialism. This shouldn’t be tolerated and we shouldn’t sympathise with them whatsoever. Driven by their Jew hate, these Nazis are willing to take side with Muslims in order to accomplish their goals. They are absolutely blinded by this hate."

  • Hallvard

    This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach. That same day I drove through Hønefoss and saw the island across the lake. Right after I read on my mobile phone about the terror attack in Oslo. Not long after I read the first news reports about "shooting" at the island.

    I was expecting something like this. The government has been alienating a lot of people with a multiculturalism a vast majority of the population have not wanted or asked for. The last 30 or so years, Muslims have increased their numbers to about 20 per cent of the population in Oslo. Whites are moving out, immigrants in. Some schools are completely non-white. When I was a kid, the country was almost completely homogeneous. Society has been changing so rapidly that a lot of people feel alienated. They don't feel at home in their own country any more.

    An interesting fact is that, according to a poll a few years back, some 90 per cent of immigrants in Norway vote for leftist political parties. More or less, they vote as a block for the same people who decide on the immigration policy. The solution is simple: Import more immigrants to stay in power.

    This undermines the faith people have in democracy.

    • Bob the Aussie

      Hallvard. My profound and the most sincere condolences for the tragedy that has befalen on your beautiful country.
      I have fallen in love with Norway many years ago to a such degree that I learned your language a bit and managed to read the Lord Of The Rings in Norwegian.
      I also visited Norawy two years ago and was enchanted by her beauty.
      So the pain you are experiencing no is also my pain.
      Having said that, we cannot allow the Leftists and their cohort allies – Muslim usurpers to take over the narrative and keep accusing the conservatives of the crime with which they have NOTHING to do.
      It is alreay clear, and I have predicetd that the Norwewgian and Eurpoean Left is attempting to exploid that tragedy as an opportunity to silence the free speech as it will make it easier for them to enforce their insane concepts on us.
      It is obvious that the Leftists use the uncontroled imigration as a strategic tool in their drive to change the socio-political make up of the Western societies.
      The intake of Musilm imigrants enables them to extend and solidify the esistence of the PARASITIC sector on which the Leftist thrive.

    • muchiboy

      Change is difficult and inevitable.Of course,911 didn't help.Islamic fundamentalism doesn't help.American foreign policy often didn't help,and still doesn't.Zionism didn't help.Xenophobia never helped.Hence,the ugly history of antisemitism.It used to be the religious right was the enemy of the Jew.Now,strange ideological bedfellows.We need to recognize that we are all more the same then different.We need to abide ,everyone,by the Golden Rule.muchiboy

      • SpiritOf1683

        Oi Naziboy, you'd be worshipping him had he carried out his atrocity in Israel instead of Norway, and we know it.

    • Bob the Aussie

      And of course, you are right that the Leftists are doing that deliberately. Even the most prominent members of our own Australian Labor Party are admitting privately that the uncontrolled intake of muslim imigrants helps them to maintain almost permanent majority in the local Parliament.
      Fortunately the sinister trend is now rapidly reverinng and the Australian Left is facing political disaster.
      So is the situation in America where Sarah Palin is poised to win the nest US presidency. That would crash the socialists practically forever.
      There is also no doubt that the eventual succes of Sarah Palin would boost the political fortunes of you won conservative heroine Siv Jensen.

    • Haaj

      Why should people have faith in Democracy? Oh, I forgot it is the religion of America! Democracy is a failed experiment. Yes we are free to do a lot of things but we have not always been free and every freedom has a high cost. We have sexual license for the freedom to be enslaved by capitalism right. In America for example what state do you find the native American? But then you have all the others-immigrants to this country acting like it was, is and has always been theirs. WOW! The only thing worth having faith , hope and conviction in is ALLAH and the last day. Otherwise we are forced to languish in the knowledge that wrong / injustice will never ultimately be addressed. I am not a "pie in the sky" person but ultimately with the level of moral decay and lack of nobility in the world man has long since lost the ideal of justice and self reproof. There is only power in ALLAH! Everything else is rope for those to hang themselves for they will oppress / defile their brothers and sisters.

      • SpiritOf1683

        You don't belong in the US. You belong in a rathole like Pakistan or Afghanistan. And it is time we stopped giving to ungrateful infidel-haters like yourself who would be living in caves or mud huts were it not for the West.

    • RonWagner

      I am part Hispanic and love Mexicans, but they must come hear legally. We must seal our borders. The liberals are keeping it open for voters and the RINOS for cheap labor. Hopefully we will not have any Breviks here but the borders here must be closed too.

    • Guest

      Same thing is happening in California, USA.

  • joe pro

    I wonder if the norwegian mass-murder used this site?

    • Che Bambola

      Good point.

      I too wonder if the mass -murderer was nurtured by the right-wing maniacs who spout thier hate-filled bile concealed behind the apparent mask of anonymity.

      It could be you.

      • Stern Gangster

        Who me?

        • Ron Walrus

          Ya you!

    • SpiritOf1683

      I wonder if he used Huffington Post.

    • SpiritOf1683

      I notice those who wish he had carried out his atrocity in Israel instead troll this site – much like yourself.

  • a schlitzengruben

    I'm surprised the articles today aren't rejoicing this mass-murder. you know, someone putting all your ideas into practice!

    • myomy

      So you're surprised? Well the reason you can't find Christians praising this murderer is because of the difference between islamic doctrine which requires and exhaults jihadi terrorism, and Christian doctrine which condemns evil murderous acts committed by anyone. So the reason your expectations are non existant isn't surprisiing, it's your ignorance that is surprising. It's the muslims that admire butchers, killers and terrorists, not the Christians… duh.

      • Harry Goldfard

        Christian doctrine which condemns evil murderous acts committed by

        *****************

        Those are big words. shame that they're a load of bollucks!!! Are you trying to tell me that this site condemns all acts of violence perpetrated by Christians, muslims, buddists, hindus, and jews, and athiests without prejudice?

        LOL!!!! HA!, HA!!!! now THAT IS funny!

        • myomy

          there you go again not paying attention. No, I'm telling you you are an ignorant ass and your posts prove me right.

          • Jimmy

            Apologies for not yet having been assimmilated to your most noble intolerant, bigoted and racist noble ways.

            Perhaps I need to forget about jesus and his message of compassion and instead turn to your hero robert spencer to guide my life.

          • Harry Goldfarb

            Ditto

        • davarino

          Laugh if up Goldfart, as your nation dwindles away in the mass immigrant hoards sent to destroy you from within

          • Shlomo Smiley

            15's my limit on schlitzengruben!!

    • Bob the Aussie

      schlitzengruben is ein Untermensch.
      What is your puropse of producing such an incohernet vomit of a rant?
      It is so ludicrous and intellectually sub-human that it make impossible to respond.
      It deserves nothing more than a laughter, a belch and a FART…

      • Jhon

        Looks to me the leftists are very happy that finally there is a questionable Christian committed mass murder, they do not care the murderer's deed is based on Christianity or not, nor do they care about the victims of Oslo as long as they now can put Christians and Conservatives into the same box with Jihadists, just look how happy Harry Goldfard is!

        My condolence to the family of Oslo victims, you are all in my prayer! I am a minority in a Muslims majority country, and I know the pain of losing a loved one to some inhuman murderers, May 1998 is the day my heart torn asunder, I don't want people to experience the same fate as mine!. Googling "riots of may 1998" if you want to know what happened at that day and look will you still able to defend Muslims while they committed such horrible crimes! Looh at this link for the news!

    • ronald

      ??????

    • tagalog

      We righties don't rejoice in this guy for the same reason you guys don't rejoice in folks like Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Tse-Tung, and others. Oh wait, you do; never mind.

      • Esther Moon

        ..or sharon, or kissinger, or bush.

        • trickyblain

          Or Hitler or Franco or Pinochet.

          Just to keep things real.

          • tagalog

            Well, you know, Sharon, Stalin, Franco, Pol Pot, Bush, Mao, they're all the same, right?

    • SpiritOf1683

      I'm not surprised that you are one of the most delighted posters at the news of this atrocity. It has come to something when Leftists the world over spent the last 16 years hoping and praying for this atrocity to take place, just as the Oklahoma bombings were manna from heaven for them, for smearing patriots and accusing them of bigotry for telling the truth about Islam is more important than the lives of 97 Norwegian teenagers.

    • old white guy

      fu-k you are stupid.

  • Murray Leiderhoisen

    Are you surprised that one of yours committed this mass-murder? A daily flow of racism and bigotry makes you innocent? Ha, Ha, Ha!

    • Bob the Aussie

      Murray Scheissenhosen.
      Since when a legitimate criticism of the behaviour of the univited guests who unlawfully enter our house and attempt to impose their own rules is a rasism and bigotry?
      Resistance to the archaic ideology is not a rasism because Muslims are not a race.
      Only an individual like you with a brain so degraded that the spinal cord has taken over all the mental functions, could regard Muslims as a race.
      Neither the rejection of medieval quasi-religious practices.

      • Wilma Boliginoarem

        Oooops… disabled the spell-checker on that Bob! BOB!! BOB!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jhon

      Here is another leftist feeling glad to found a crazy christian committed murder like their beloved muslims, Murray Leiderhoisen!. Don't you know behind your illogical happiness there are many people lost their loved ones?.

    • SpiritOf1683

      Ho hum. Another loon who spent over 16 years hoping and praying for another Tim McVeigh to come along and murder 97 youngsters for his political ends, this time in the guise of Anders Breivik.

    • old white guy

      you are stupid. you lack critical analysis skills. stop inflicting your stupidity on others.

  • Steve

    Norway must have joined the EU since I started reading this garbage

  • Alistair

    First, the number of attacks attributable to self-professed Christian terrorists is miniscule compared to the toll of Islamic jihadists––17,489 since 9/11, as counted and documented by Religion of Peace.

    Ha, Ha, Ha, ….
    what brilliant logic!!

    they're worse than us, because they've killed more people!! what a moral vacume you live in.

    • davarino

      First of all the vacuum is in your head. The point is, terrorism is prescribed in islam, it is not in Christianity. Not that I am defending Christianity, it can stand on its own, just dont try to equate the two.

      • Haaj

        No, he has something there. You sir are talking to a lot of IGNORANT people in the sense that they really have no idea what any of the scriptures say let alone adhere to them. There is no more directive from ALLAH / GOD in the Quran to establish HIS law than in the Bible except to the extent that the Quran and Islam was intended to be guidance to all of mankind til the last day….. You see that changes things and points to your -the -problem -rejection of the decree of ALLAH. So for logic lets call capitalist / democratic America terrorist with all the wars and lives they have taken in the name of their creed-secularism, humanitarianism, oh , oh, oh, and FREEDOM!

        • Tanya

          Oh f..k off Haaj.

        • kafir4life

          Haaj, Is that the koran that was shat from the anal orfice of mohamat, the peodphile who created the moon god allah, then shat the koran after sex with and a meal of his favorite, pig (aka daddy)?
          That koran?

    • flimflamobambam

      You really don't get the none-too-subtle nuances, do you? The point made—clearly, I found—is that this type of violence is inarguably encoded in Islamic doctrine, There is no corresponding dogma of violence ( jihad, honor killings, executions of homosexuals, etc.,) anywhere in contemporary Christian theology. To appropriate part of your comment—"Ha, Ha, Ha, …. what brilliant logic!! ", do you not see the absurdity in your use of moral equivalency in response to a piece that warns of the dangers of that? ____

      • Titi Mudantis

        The beware moral equivalency argument is a load of bs. He's saying… 'I'm a hate-filled bigot spouting hate-filled bigotted ideas… … but i didn't pick up the gun. I swear. It was spencers fault!!'

        ..i.e don't compare the norwegians hate to mine. They are 2 different kinds of hateful bigotry. really they are.

      • Haaj

        The lack of what you call "corresponding dogma of violence ( jihad, honor killings, executions of homosexuals, etc.,) anywhere in contemporary Christian theology", may be due to the fact that it is dead. It is dead and does not stand for anything. It has no teach because it is made up as you go along to be compatible with secularism. It has nothing to do with life as humans live it is only a private matter so as long as your life remains private then you are ok and free. Anything ALLAH decrees of man that he is not comfortable with gets tagged as violent, dogma, … its like dealing with teenagers who think that every stipulation their parents put on them is a burden and an injustice. But they dont know anything right?

        • Tanya

          You really are an ignorant troll. You consider yourself human eh?

          • flimflamobambam

            Haaj just proved the critical difference between Christianity and Islam.with perfect transparency and blitheness Latched onto the entirely irrelevant argument of the present -day state of Christianity, Haaj freely admits that the Islamic Allah is one of violent dogma, by decree. Ignorant trolls are wearisome, but I say…let 'em exert themselves to make our case for us.

        • guest

          Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
          Narrated 'Aisha:
          that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    • Jhon

      The leftists! they are really happy, every single one of them laughing in their comments, heartless bastards!

      • Mr Finocchio

        LOL!!! I';m sorry …sob… Are you upset that even some muslims were killed? And those kids were all leftists you know.

        • SpiritOf1683

          Not half as upset as you are that Israelis weren't killed instead, eh Pinocchio.

    • RonWagner

      Very interesting that liberals never attack the muders of Stalin and Mao, or the murders and persecution of Christians that occur daily in Muslim nations. Look at persecution.com.

      Where are the movies about the genocides by Mao and Stalin?

    • SpiritOf1683

      I would imagine the more people someone or some religion kills, the worse they are. Of course, you would say, in your warped mind, that the Girl Guides are worse than the Nazis, or that Mother Teresa is worse than Mohammed. You've just displayed your breeze block-like denseness on these boards.

  • A Weiner

    As such it creates the conditions in which extremist, if not neo-fascist varieties of nationalism, can flourish, particularly given the growing problems of marginalized and unassimilated Muslim immigrants.

    *****

    AAhhh…. I knew he was innocent!! It's the muslims what did it!

    • davarino

      Again not the point. The side issue, which is not an excuse for what this terrible person did, is the fact that the leaders of Europe are bringing immigrants in that refuse to assimilate and pledge allegiance to the nation they are sucking off of and destroying.

    • Bob the Aussie

      Whining Weiner.
      Your logic is the logic of a patient of a mental hospital, where you clearly belong.
      In such a case, any civilised discourse with you is simply imposssible.
      Where the author states that the BEAST is innocent?
      In fact those are the conservatives who are demanding that the murderer should be served the death penalty and exectuted, something that he obviously deserves.
      Those are you the LEFTOIDS who sallivate yourselves over your own false image of the skewed humanitarianism, because you believe that a criminal, no matter how vicious, is a product of a capitalistic society.
      No matter how hard you try, though, the trend is reversing and the socialism is loosing.
      Very soon you shall be held accountable for the unspekable damage you have wrought on the Western societies.
      You leftist DEGENERATES can sense it with an intict of an animal and you are genuinly scared.
      Hence your artificial rage.

  • Chet Muldoon

    not long perhaps before this site gets closed down for incitement . What are you going to do about it whitey?

    • Bob the Aussie

      You pathetic and miserable RACIST!

    • UCSPanther

      It ain't gonna, moron, because nothing illegal was done here.

    • Tanya

      We whiteys would love to tell you what we would like to do about it, but in this insanely PC world alas we are not allowed. The day is coming though….

    • old white guy

      give me a call.

    • astra

      I just kicked a HIPPIES ass. NOW..what you gonna do tough guy?

  • Dan Whip

    If this site is against all terrorism and terrorists…. why is there no clear condemnation in the articles today about this norwegian guy? And whule we're at it, why do they not condemn christian or jewish terrorists as well as muslim ones?

    I guess that's what happens when you're an extremist far-right propoganda machine. Honesty goes right out the window. … as with all propoganda.

    • Bob the Aussie

      Self whiping mentally Dan Whip
      This heinous act has been condemned on EVERY conservative site that I visited since it took place.
      It is only youself who is incapable of reading. It is your irrational hatred that makes you blind.
      No matter how hard you try, you wont be able to link that MONSTER with any conservative opinionmaker because ther aren't any.

    • SpiritOf1683

      Hmm. It seems you haven't learned how to read, or your eyes have an irritating habiot of closing when you reach the parts that condemn this killer. If there were proper justice in Norway, Breivik would fry in the electric chair for what he did. But Leftist hypocrites like yourself would think that was against his 'human rights'. The typical Leftist like yourself worships those who make Breivik look like Mother Teresa, for your heroes are Che Guevara, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Khomeini, Nasrallah, Arafat and the like who have murdered more than 150 million between them. And had he murdered 97 Israeli youngsters instead of Norwegians, Breivik would have been your latest poster boy.

    • old white guy

      jeez dan you need to be whipped.

  • crackerjack

    Breivik is nat a Christian. His ideology stemms not from the Bible. His ideology stemms from sites such as these. He quotes not Moses nor Jesus. He quotes Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, Henryk Broder and other prominent agitators. His scripture was not the Old nor New Testament but islamobhobic, anti-multicultural blogs and sites. His utopia is a "Judeo-Christian" culture, freed of outside elements.

    He is the product of the new ideology of hate based not on Goebbels notion of inferiour race , but based on a notion of inferiour religion and culture. Breivik's "Manifesto" is the manifesto of Frontpage, Jihad Watch, Little Green Footballs, Gates of Vienna, Islam v.s Europe.

    • Michael Dar

      Mr. Crackerjack where it not for the "truthtellers" you mentioned and those before them in history resisting Islamo-Fascism you would have by now uconverted to Islam, been killed or at best be living in Dhimmitude in the best of cases. Listen to what the Immams preach in their mosques and you might understand what a real agitator is. Islam has a "devine" obligation to convert you to Islam by the sword if needed..it seem you are one of those who might prefere to convert instead of resisting…

      • Kelvin

        "truthtellers"

        Hilarious!!!!! I hope you got paid for that.

    • Bob the Aussie

      Get off your CRACK crackerjack or you become a crackerhead.
      Tell us you wizard, to what extend the author who is conducting a scientific analysis of a socio–political pheneomenon that is threatening to the very survival of Eurpoe and the Western civilisation as a whole, is responsible for the behaviour of a madman who is giving a passing glance to his or her article.
      It is not that it is anything wrong with Spencer, Fjordman, Geller, Gates of Vienna, FPM or any other conservative blog.
      The problem is that you are insane and ignorant.

    • RonWagner

      Thanks for giving me some new sites to sign up for! Here is one for you- persecution.com.

    • SpiritOf1683

      Crackerjackass, had Breivik murdered 97 Israeli youngsters instead in Tel Aviv, he would be your hero, taking his place in your rogues gallery of monsters you idolize.

  • SHmuelHaLevi

    Murderous acts such the one in Oslo are the net result of the systematic acts of certain leading groups that actively introduce, intentionally, into settled societies STRESS RAISERS in the form of foreign and aggressive cultures.
    This is a term we use in Engineering and in particular Reliability Engineering. Please refer to Engineering sources including those in Internet for more details.
    In all societies there are groups whose breaking point is very near and at hand.
    Waving a red cloth, (no pun intended), in front of a bull is not precisely the way to interface with said bull.
    Knowing as we do the islamic ways and means, I will not be surprised if even more gruesome reactions will be seen in many countries.
    Regretful but far from being a surprise.

    • Eli Yahov

      what's regretful about it?

      • SHmuelHaLevi

        The fact that more such act could well happen again and again in reaction to the intentional insertion of inimical cultures into the midst of established peoples.
        Mrs. Merkel and others have finally recognized that the ill experiment has failed.

    • dan

      Yes, actively and intentionally introducing monkey wrenches into the societal machinery with one hand, and actively and intentionally complaining that the society is bad or doesn't work with the other hand. Here's another string of words: Actively and Intentionally Evil!

    • heidifromoz

      I totally agree. This kind of 'vigilante' has been created because governments are too weak to put a stop to Islamic demands and impositions on western culture. What I don't understand is why he targeted 'infidels' rather than Muslims…

      • SHmuelHaLevi

        I believe he went to the hard core of those that facilitated in extreme the invasion of Norway by a foreign culture knowing that the culture, if one may be adventurous enough to call it so, would rape, murder and force out the original Norway people. I do not agree with murdering but those that serve as artifacts of provocation should consider the way some marginal minds work.

  • Zeb

    Robert Spencer did inspire this norwegian mass murderer. this is an article from ABC news in Australia confirming that the mass-murderer's manifesto quoted Robert Spencer…not once..or twice but … 46 TIMES!
    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2809244.html

    Spencer should climb under a rock and stay there with the rest of the slugs.

    • Bob the Aussie

      Only in your sick mind, idiot!
      Since when an author of an article or a book is responsible for the action of his reader?
      Where Spencer, Geller or Fjordman is advocating murdering Musilms or political opponents?
      Pamela Geller has condemned Breivik in the strongest terms imaginable and demanded that he should be sentenced to death.
      Yesterday some of the isane trolls who toop over the FPM were accusing Fjordman of being Breivik.
      Obviously it has ALWAYS been false.
      Today, when the obvious came out, the leftist DEGENERATES and LIERS are strangely silent on that subject.

    • Tziona

      OK, so by your own logic you agree that if a Muslim terrorists quotes the Koran or Sunna in a video of a beheading, say like the murder of Daniel Pearl, then the Koran should be hidden under a rock with the rest of the slugs. What are you, some sort of Islamophobe?

      • volanj

        Muslim terrorist's quotes from Koran and Sunna contain direct orders to fight and kill unbelievers. Koran should be burned. Give one single example where Robert Spencer advocated murdering muslims.

  • Yoshi Finklestein

    zeb, you're right. That Spencer is a low-life racist bigot… and just like the amoral criminal murdoch, his day of reckoning may have arrived.

    see: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/25debate.htmhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbro

    • Iris Xanado

      ..and not a moment too soon!

    • Bob the Aussie

      If anyone here is a low-life it is you Yoshi.
      I don't know whether it is your real name or you are indeed a Jew as you are presenting yourself but whan I know is that you are a breathtaking IGNORAMUS and a traitior to the Israel and the Western civilisation.

    • Tziona

      What race is Islam? Islam is an ideology, and as such it is open to criticism, analysis and review, just like any other ideology. Spencer's writings concern Islam, not race. If you disagree with Spencer, how about you write a thesis explaining why an ideology that oppresses women (50% of the population), gays (10% of the population), and religious minorities, and which denies freedom of conscience and freedom of dissent is such a good idea?

    • SpiritOf1683

      I think we have gathered that in your tiny mind, Breivik would have been a hero had he murdered Israelis instead of Norwegians.

  • Rifleman

    The obvious difference is that we'll execute 'Christian' terrorists, as we should. As much as I despise commies, they ought to bring back the blood eagle for this pondscum.

    That said, it looks likely to be a false flag attack to me.

  • tanstaafl

    Oh, the crazy people are out today. Painting with the leftist broad brush of moral equivlency, they are intent of muzzling those who they disagree with. The censor never sleeps.

  • Murray

    so what do you think about this business in norway?

    • Abe

      I don't know murray. It all seems like a bit of a mad thing? What would possses someone to do such a thing?

      • Murray

        Well I don't know… but they say that he spent a long time, perhaps years preparing these killings.

        • Abe

          I'd like to know why his parents didn't know that was going on in his head. i mean how can someone pick up all these crazy ideas and not get noticed by someone?

          • Abe

            I knew a guy when i was living in Florida a couple of years ago who was similar to this guy. a right a proper gentleman who had a decent job in a bank even. He used to come to our shop on most week days and have a chat about things. i always sensed that he was heavily involved in politics and read the papers because he always knew what was going in the world, and he was always ready to give an opinion. Anyway, one day he came in to the shop to buy his red marlboros like he usually did and he asked me whether I'd read the paper that day.

          • Abe

            I said I'd looked at it briefly and he almost seemed offended that i wasn't outraged by the article he pointed at. It was someone thing about another one of these suicide bomb attacks in Iraq. and he pointed at the article and said, and i remember this like it was yesterday, he said, "If we don't do something about this now, this will be happening here in Port Charlotte (where I lived in Florida). i wish i was in Iraq fighting the enemy right now." And then he just turned and left the store. He didn't say anything. Anyway, he came in a couplle of times again over the next few weeks but he was ..detached i'd call it… polite but he didn't really want to talk like he usually did…and soon he disappeared altogether. He never came back.About a month after the last time i saw him a guy comes inot the store one day and we strike up a conversaton about the weather or something and he out of the blue he asks me if i've seem my friend the banker recently.

          • Abe

            I asked him, 'why do you ask? and to for your information I've not seen him in a month'. anyway he tells me he's a friend of the banker and that he's just come back from court where this guys been charged with assault with a gun i think. It turns out that a couple of days after I last saw him, this banker was walking down the street in the middle of the day, in full view of a bunch of people and he sees this muslim man and his wife from pakistan or bangladesh perhaps just mindng thier own business shoppping probably. Anyway he walks right up to them and pulls out a gun and tells them that if they don't get in thier car and leave town in the next 5 minutes he was going to shoot. The man and his wife go white with fear and fortunately a guy coming out of another shop sees this and goes back in and tells a police man who happened to be in that shop at the same time. anyway the policeman comes out and draws his gun and the banker drops his gun and is arrested and taken away on the spot.

  • bob maram

    instead of making a case against the left we should mourn for those who were murdered or hurt by this crazy white supremist and realize that the extremes ofboth the left andas a right of center moderatei also include the crazy right wing extremists.. bob maram

  • A Norwegian

    Norway's psycho killer, Anders Behring Breivik, is not a devout Christian .

    According to his manifesto "2083 – A European Declaration of Independence", p. 1341.

    "I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person as that would be a lie. I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment".

    • flimflamobambam

      That's a key insight into this guy's character and motivations, but I think we can safely bet the bulk of the mainstream media will suppress this element.

  • muchiboy

    Typical,expected damage control mode for FPM right wing agenda and its Christian fundamentalist supporters.Goes to prove the maxim that you can fool some of the people,or they can fool themselves, all the time.You wouldn't recognize a pie in the face if you were the victim.Your disgraceful response to this tragedy only serves to lessen your credibility in the eyes of the West.Again,typical and predictive.muchiboy

    • Ghostwriter

      muchiboy,please. If you've read even a small amount of the comments from this page,you will see that most people have condemned the acts of that loon in Norway. I also condemn that beast for what he did. He deserves to be hung for his crimes. Stop making yourself look more foolish than you already have been.

    • Ghostwriter

      muchiboy,please. If you've read even a small amount of the comments or the above article,it's plain to see that no one here is celebrating what happened in Oslo. In fact,the slime who did it deserves to be hung. Why don't you come back when you have something intelligent to add to this discussion.

  • Mike

    I am conservative and I condone the acts of this Anders fellow. What he did was inconcievable. Children? Really? This guy was a coward. But I will say this, Anders has blew open the doors on the distaste for multiculturalism. Germany came out and has said they have a muslim problem, now Norway is obviously having a muslim problem. No one likes these people. I've read enough of the Koran to know that I don't want these people around. Europe has a worse problem with multiculturalism (muslims) than we do here in the U.S. but its slowly creeping in on us also. Houston has a bad problem with muslims and I hope that it stays contained within Houston and doesn't spread. I'd be devistated if my home state of Louisiana was overrun with muslims and the Louisiana culture was diluted by these people.

    • Nathan Bloch

      Lock the doors and stay inside!!! ..forever.

    • Bob the Aussie

      You are certainly not a CONSERVATIVE.
      However, you are a SUBHUMAN just like Breivik.

      • Quentin Sadutsky

        Bob! Attack the point not the person. grow up!

      • Mike

        Its an issue of security, Bob. Hey Bob, if you don't think muslims are all that bad, then I challenge you to move to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Iraq, any muslim country. But i know you won't. Why? For the exact reason I stated. You sir are a coward for not being able to speak the truth of a people with a backward ideology who squander human rights at every chance. I recognize the threat such an ideology can pose and I don't want the culture that goes hand in hand with a dangerous theocracy right here on my doorstep.

        • flimflamobambam

          Your point is valid, Mike, and it is one that is substantiated not only by the conditions in the countries you mentioned by also by the fact that last year, all 86 cases of assault rape in Oslo were perpetuated by Muslims. For perspective, the incidence of assault rape occurs at a rate 6 times higher than in New York City. You're right…Islam is a theo-politico-social system that, when practiced devoutly, is almost wholly incompatible with Western culture. Much of Islam—even the so-called misnomer of "moderate" Islam—accepts what Western mores abhor, and this reality is exacerbated by Islam's aggressive exploitation of our laws to the end of advancing Islam globally. Multiculturalism now exists to exempt newcomers to our society from making the effort to assimilate…they are permitted and encouraged to exist in their enclaves as a separate entity…that's what people are tired of, the expectation that we will contort our culture to their comfort and expectations. It may not be politically correct to say, but it was almost inevitable that some social misfit or mentally unbalanced disenfranchised loner would lose all sense of restraint in such a dreadful way,

  • Brujo Blanco

    In this type of tragedy their is a tendency to come to conclusions without facts. Their are those cases in which a killer like this is just nuts. We must not assume what the motivations were or were not. Also, when and I’d this guy’s motivations are identified these motivations should not be used to paint a group of people with a broad brush.

    • Povero Popolo

      Why not paint??? Paint where painting is due I say. Were there good, gooder and goodest nazis? Are some bigoted extemists good guys? And others bad guys?

  • theleastthreat

    From the comments, the Left certainly is aware of FPM. Their comments are all too glib considering over 90 people are dead. To any Leftist reading this, were the victims ever anymore to you than props for your tasteless rants? I have to ask because I haven't read one thing that reveals you have any concern for these victims. Not even one thing.

    • Titi Mudantis

      LOL!!!! HA!, Ha, HA!!!!!! , HA!!!!, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funny guy!!!!! That is hilarious!!! HA!!!!

      You talking about taste and class???? Are you trying to tell me that as a believer of Robert Spencer and co…you're some kind of gift to the human race????? LOL!!!!!!!!!!! As a wise man once said…"YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!"

      LOL!! HA!!!! ho, HO!!! he, HA!!!

      • theleastthreat

        Yes, you are tasteless. 90+ people dead and you come up with LOL, Ho, Ha, etc. Not only tasteless but witless as well. Can't come up with anything better than that? Over 90 dead and not one word about them. Why is that?

        • Titi Mudantis

          I think you need to take a good hard look at the ideas you're carrying around in your little brain along with the people you're looking up to. Playing with your little green soldiers when you were a kid was probably ok and for the vast majority of us, quite harmless. but now you're a grown-up (presumably) and so you need to put away the things of a child …to paraphrase old st paul. and that includes stupid and intolerant and bigoted ideas.

          • theleastthreat

            You're still clueless at this point. I haven't revealed any ideas of mine other than you and the Lefttists posting at FPM have not said one thing about the victims. And you missed another opportunity after I brought it up twice. Everything you've said about me soi far is something you made up.

            I'll make it easy for you. Ask yourself why you can't mention the victims as anything other that props and then give yourself an honest answer. You owe yourself that much. I dare you to try.

          • Titi Mudantis

            I can't change the fact that 90 people are dead. what i can do though is rightly (lol!) hold you to account for promoting and agreeing with hate-filled bigoted and intolerant ideas that feed this type of murdering maniac.

          • theleastthreat

            I didn't think you could deal with that (being honest with yourself) but at least I tried. Why don't you do something else then. Click on my userid and read my mini profile. At least you'll know something about me that isn't cooked up by you or others ike you. Or continue on mindlessly wioth this same thread.( It's going to be the mindlessly thing isn't it?)

      • nightspore

        A genuinely bizzare response. Why all the exclamation points? You seem to be having a hard time holding in your glee.

      • nightspore

        There's some sort of cognitive dissonance here that's practically leaking out of your ears.

        Do we really pose that much of a threat?

  • Paul of Alexandria

    More important, though the former terrorists may call themselves Christian, only a tiny handful of Christians would accept that label.
    This is important. There is no possible way that Mr. Breivik can justify himself using Christian teachings; he can only be condemned.

  • http://www.19.org Edip Yuksel

    Front Page is exposed. You approve state terrrorism, Christian terrorism against Sunni or Shiite terrorism. You are a bunch of bloody Zionists and this article exposes your hatred towards peace and justice. We see the Palestinian teenager with rock in his hand standing against the tanks of the fascist military. That picture alone shows how diabolic your propaganda is, and one day you will not find even redneck Americans swallowing your twisted propaganda. People like you provide fuel for wars and terrorism. You are the Jewish Taliban, the real enemy of peaceful Jews, Christians and Muslims.

    • sononthe_beach

      Not well written, not well thought out, and with zero documentation of sources. Ergo, an unmitigated piece of subjective bile. Thanks for the drivel.

    • SpiritOf1683

      Oh dear, our resident Turkish barbarian, who has no regrets about the Armenian Genocides, rears his ugly head. Had his victims been Israelis instead, your bill for candies would be astronomical and would take you many months of social security benefits to pay off.

    • MixMChess

      "You are a bunch of bloody Zionists and this article exposes your hatred towards peace and justice."

      Huh? This article exposes the FACT that all terrorism is deplorable, whether it be a lone Norwegian psychopath, or the over 85% of the Palestinians that support murder of Jewish children.

      "We see the Palestinian teenager with rock in his hand standing against the tanks of the fascist military."

      This is a LIE. When Palestinians throw stones, they are not pebbles, but "large rocks that can and do cause serious injuries." In fact, most "rock" assailants are armed not just with stones but also with Molotov cocktails, pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, hand grenades and explosives. As is often the case "mixed among rock throwers have been Palestinians, often policemen, armed with guns and other heavy artillery."

      Also Palestinian children throw more than rocks. Abu Mazen, revealed that "children are paid to carry out terrorist attacks against Israel." He told a Jordanian newspaper: “at least 40 children in Rafah lost arms from the throwing of Bangalore torpedoes [explosive charges]. They received five shekels [approximately $1.00] in order to throw them.”

      When the IDF responds, they are governed by an overriding policy of RESTRAINT, "the requirement of proportionality and the necessity to take all possible measures to prevent harm to innocent civilians." In FACT, "the use of weapons is authorized solely in life-threatening situations or, subject to significant limitations, in the exercise of the arrest of an individual suspected of having committed a grave security offense."

      Your diabolical propaganda forgets to mention that NO Palestinian would be in any danger or risk injury if they were not waging a TERROR campaign. If children were in school or at home with their families, rather than throwing rocks in the streets, they would never be in harms way.

      Edip, you openly LIE to support war, terrorism and genocide. You should join the Taliban – or are you already a card carrying member?

  • sononthe_beach

    Wow. I had no idea there were so many lefties posting on this site. Thanks! I enjoy confirming my belief that lefties exist on the margins of sanity and now I know where to find a bunch of these irrational loons.

  • rbla

    “The impact of God’s Jewish warriors goes far beyond these rocky hills [i.e. Jewish West Bank settlements]. The Jewish settlements have inflamed much of the Muslim world.” I would update Christine's brilliant comment as follows:

    “The impact of the ideology of diversity and multiculturalism goes far beyond these rocky Norwegian fjords. The policy of mass population replacemment has inflamed some whose sanity is already on the verge of collapse.”

    What's good for the goose (and she is one) is good for the gander.

  • muchiboy

    You know I regularly criticize even the essence of Israel.And you know why.But I am just listening to CBC radio's White Coat,Black Arts,with Brian Goldman,an ERP.This episode interviewed an Israeli physician who with his Israeli team answered the call of the Haiti earthquake.They did good work,the best they could ,under very trying and difficult conditions.Well done Israel.muchiboy

    • UCSPanther

      Looks like we have ourselves a Communist Broadcasting Corporations fanboi here…

    • MixMChess

      I told you about that over a year ago. Funny how desperately you try to turn every conversation into Israel. Get a life.

  • DAVID

    ISLAMS SUCKS! I USE THE KORAN FOR TOILET PAPER

    • Uni Spochachon

      Ladies and Gentlemen! Robert Spencer!!!

      • Vito Mostopervino

        Yes a big round of applause for Robert who has agreed to join us after an exhausting tour of Bermuda, Tahiti, Israel and Pitcairn.

        • Uni Sporchachon

          And Robert I believe you'll be touring New York next. Is that right? With stops in:
          Franklin Correctional Facility
          Rikers Island
          Wallkill Correctional Facility
          and…
          Sing Sing

          • Bobby

            That's correct … I like being moved.

  • digdigby

    Goad and bait and humiliate Europeans in their own countries and let Muslims rape their daughters and if they mention it, accuse them of 'hate speech'….. and when a mad man lashes out (it is amazing it hasn't happened more often) then tut-tut and wag your heads and of course bring in even MORE Muslims till you have a full blown REAL Nazi reaction which is what the Robert Spencers and Pamela Gellers have tried to spare you.

  • LindaRivera

    The filthy murderer is the spawn of hell. One of the devil's children.

    Please G-D, heal the wounded. Comfort the families who lost their loved ones.

    G-D commanded:

    YOU SHALL NOT MURDER. G-D – the Holy One, will punish all murderers on the Day of Judgment.

    Jesus, the Jew, taught in the synagogues and in the famous Jewish temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, Israel.

    G-D's requirement for ALL humanity is KINDNESS:

    Bible, Micah 6:8 And what does the L-RD require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your G-D.

    Jesus said in the Bible in Matthew 7:12 Treat people the same way you want them to treat you for this is the Law and the Prophets.

    Almighty G-D – Creator of the Universe – our HERO forever. G-D's forgiveness is astonishing. His love is amazing. G-D's kindness and mercy are beyond words to express.

    • tarleton

      you're a classic creepy fundie with a primitive mind …females tend to be the worst type of fanatics…you sound like one of those creeps from the 700 club

  • LindaRivera

    In 2008, two polls showed the vast majority of Arabs support terror attacks.

    One Palestinian Authority poll showed that 84 percent of Palestinian Authority Muslims approved of the massacre at Merkaz HaRav Yeshiva in Jerusalem, where eight students were murdered and ten wounded.

    This is very, very terrible.

    Americans will never forget that some Muslims in America and Muslims around the world celebrated the murder of our 3,000 innocents.

    Americans will never forget that THOUSANDS of Palestinian Authority Muslims celebrated with great joy and delight the mass slaughter of our cherished 3,000. They danced in the streets, passed out sweets and fired into the air. They are inhuman.

  • Elliot

    I hope this site doesn't turn into a replacement for the old and tedious Guardian Talk site. It certainly looks that way on this particular thread with the baiting, taunting and ridiculously unsubstantiated banter.
    Reject the bait and please take a stab at maintaining a little higher standard of discussion.

    IOW,don't answer the trolls rather immature commentary.

  • Frank95054

    Mr. Breivik's actions appear to successfully vilify the anti-Islamic movement. Look not to the words of a man, but to his actions to determine his objectives. Mr. Breivik's goal was to discredit Mr. Spencer, Pam Geller, and others in the anti-Islamic movement. So, who gains by his actions to slaughter children?

  • logdon

    On the assumption that the media treats news reports with equal status will we now see them clamouring over the real cause?

    Following 9/11, after which Bill Clinton leapt to the public stage blaming the Crusades (of all things) for Bin Laden's psychopathic attack, there have been many islamist atrocities followed by reams of punditry on 'why did they do it?'

    The handwringing self loathers then pursue every possible angle, no matter how obscure on a theme of Western provocation, insulting Islam, poverty, global inequality, anything, in fact to minimise and excuse.

    So, following that broad brush will we now read blog after blog of similar op-ed's on a theme of Islamic cause and effect?

    Of the way Europe is being slowly pummelled into submission by alien interlopers who have not the slightest interest in fitting in, integrating or joining the societies of the countries they so love to move to?

    Of the way our supine politicians are caving in to the extent, for instance that halal meat and chicken is the silent default in our supermarkets. That Christian celebration is being airbrushed into obscurity and that Shariah Law is entering our legal systems with no public mandate whatsoever?

    We all know the answer. They've relied on our restraint, egged on by a hectoring attitude of extreme one way political correctness and so far it would seem that that combination of our passivity and their aggressive posturing has worked.

    It had to break! It was approaching meltdown as simmering anger mainly confined to the blogosphere has burst it's chains of civilisation and thus we are witnessing the unravelling of the best laid plans of our political establishments.

    This has been a long time coming and only the most wishfully thinking, head in sand crazy optimist would have predicted otherwise.

    There are two ways, entirely separate in purpose and emotion of looking at this catastrophe.

    One is as a phenomena which requires detachment, cool heads and inscrutible impartiality.

    The other is utmost, heart-wringing sympathy for the poor souls who are totally innocent victims of a political class whose hubris failed to see this coming.

    Those pictures will arouse our humanistic impulses and create the realisation of the personal level in which lives are snuffed and the bereaved are now setting out on a long, dark journey of unrelenting pain and self questioning. They are the reality of what it all boils down to.

    Meanwhile our leaders really do have to rise above the emotional, listen to the people (for once) and examine their own gadfly follies of immigration policy.

    Failure to address this will only result in more carnage, bloodshed and eventually riots and major civil unrest.

    Plenty have seen this coming. Now what?

    • skulldiggerin

      Yes, what next ?
      Unfortunately Mr. logdon, your level-headed common sense is not welcome.

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    I do not quite understand why all this crowd of islamic apologists and "multi-culti" liberasts got so excited in their expose of "islamophobia" right now…

    1) Islamophobia is good. Islamohatia is even better. We need more of both.

    2) That Norwegian murderer in fact did not aim to murder any moslems (and perhaps murdered not one of them).

    3) The Norwegian murderer had vague "grievances" against the Norwegian government and its "multi-culti" role in ruining Norway. Well, the grievances were quite proper, yet the way of their resolution – criminal and damaging the cause, if there were one.

    4) It is not yet known if the murderer had associates, and which kind.

    5) In case of Oklahoma bombing, McVey did have islamic (Iraqi) associates. It is just obvious that our islamic enemies within may look for "Christian looking accomplices" with some crazy grievances. For islam that would be much more productive to commit terror this way than to employ their own kind shouting Allah stinks or whatever…

  • SpiritOf1683

    I'm afraid you failed miserably to inject some sanity with that second paragraph.

  • trickyblain

    Nobody is responsible for this man's deplorable actions except the man himself.

    That said, Spencer, Horowitz, Widers and company are long on complanits about multiculuralism and very short on ideas for the solution. What is their answer to all of these questions they raise about Islam? No Muslims in the West? No Muslims anywhere?

    This psycho had his own answer — kill innocents at random. But what about the rest of those who share in his ideology?

    • Foolster41

      "Nobody is responsible for this man's deplorable actions except the man himself."
      That said, Spencer, Horowitz, Widers and company are long on complanits about multiculuralism and very short on ideas for the solution."
      Very subtle.

    • skulldiggerin

      More will come out.
      The waved flag is still fakse.

  • Adheeb

    Probably a little more than a year ago Robert Spencer banned me from participating in the comment area of his JihadWatch.Com blog page. The reason … he didn't like something I had to say because he misunderstood what I was saying. Never-the-less, I must say I never read anything by him or on the JihadWatch blog which was hateful toward or a mis-representation of Islam.

    I know what it's like to be mis-understood …. now Robert Spencer does too.

  • Mohamed Omar

    So there are Moderate Islamophobes like yourself and then there are Radical Islamophobes like Anders Breivik? How can we be sure you Moderates are not decieving us and that in reality you support Breivik? After all you have the same goals and the same ideology.

    • SpiritOf1683

      We know the definition of an 'Islamophobe' – it is merely somebody who doesnt want Sharia law implementing, or our women to be forced into covering up in hefty bags, wants to keep our pubs and bars open, doesn't want halal food stuffing down our throats, knows Mohammed was a rapist, paedophile, misogynist, robber etc, and knows about the commands to murder infidels in cold blood. Christianity has produced two hate-filled figures in 16 years – Islam produces them by the million. We remember Muslims celebrating 9/11 and the murder of five members of a Jewish family, and we know you and your ilk would be celebrating if it were Israeli Jewish youngsters who had been murdered.

    • Adheeb

      If one examines the history of Islam -or- the life of Mohammed -or- what the Koran itself teaches and still believes this religion is the true faith, there is no way that person can be assured of anything rational.

    • skulldiggerin

      You are right sir, there is not one whiff of difference between
      Moderate Islamics and Radical Islamics.
      Both ''have the same goals and the same ideology'',
      which is a non-negotiable Sharia law on the whole world, like it or not.

      0ne point of contention between M I & R I though :

      M I : We agree with you, but stop killing other Muslims and bomb others' mosques.
      R I : We can't do that because you are the others !
      M I : But we are Muslims like you !
      R I : See what we mean ? You are the other Muslims because
      you don't kill us and don't bomb our mosques !

      • Mohamed Omar

        We have the Moderate Islamophobes like Jihad Watch and Frontpage Mag, who are outwardly non-violent, then we have the Radical avantgarde, who are violent. Both fractions work towards the same goal and like each other secretly. The moderates use deception to pretend they condemn the Radicals.

        • SpiritOf1683

          The goal they are working for is to keep Sharia out of our lands, and to reform Islam for the better. if anything, islam is becoming more intolerant and more hateful. When 40% Of Muslim youngsters in Britain are wanting Sharia law imposing upon us, then we can hardly be expected to roll out the welcome mat. We don't want Sharia fuill stop. we don't want our pubs and bars closing or our women covering up in hefty bags. Nor do we wnat to be dragged back 1,000 years. Muslims are haters of the progressive. Muslims would have loved to kill the Jew who invented the polio vaccine, just as they love to murder Jews in cold blood and dance in the street when atrocities like 9/11 and the coffee bar bombing take place.

          • Mohamed Omar

            Yes, and in order to stop this dangerous "Islamization" you have to execute the democraticly elected governments of Western countries for treason. Just like Breivik. Because these people are sleeping while you are fully awake and have seen the light. You have no option now, the politically correct elites control the media, so you have to take action now before it's to late. It's time to execute the Saharia complying traitors and expel the Muslims. Act now before its' to late! The Muslims are taking over!

          • Foolster41

            You are a liar. No sane person believes any such thing, or agrees with that psychopath Breivik. Your smears will not work.

  • kafir4life

    Man bites dog is news.

  • Ghostwriter

    This man Breivik deserves to be shot! There is simply no excuse for what this man did. This guy deserves the title monster.

    • Kiwez

      Yes he is. He seems to also be an impressionable paranoid schizophrenic. From what I have read his manifesto was mostly cut and past articles. As an interesting side note: one of his favorite tv shows is Showtime's "Dexter". Which is a dark comedy about a serial killer that kills bad guys.

  • http://karmafishies.blogspot.com Karmafish

    It's clearly all Sarah Palin's fault.

    Natch.

    • skulldiggerin

      And Bush's too.

  • http://www.kengriffeyjrstore.com/ Ken Griffey Shoes

    This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.From the comments, the Left certainly is aware of FPM. Their comments are all too glib considering over 90 people are dead.

  • Fred Dawes

    TOTAL MADNESS

  • skulldiggerin

    "It was such a quiet and friendly country !" is some of the ordinary people's complaints.
    But was it so quiet and friendly ?
    Yes, if you ignore the screams of the raped women by the Islamic immigrant sub-beasts, as the local police had to ignore them by quisling order, in the
    sacro-sanct name of multiculturalism. Now, Islamic culture condones rape,
    espc of the infidel women.

    In fact the Scandinavian countries are so rottened by their quisling Leftard regimes
    that the Parliamentarian Way is perceived by many as no longer viable, and that
    the war has already begun.

    Breivik can be or not be really what he says he is, it's no longer relevant.
    Either way he's translating into violent action his beliefs, professed or hidden,
    depending on his real flag.
    He has opened the Trolls Box.

    The multiculturalism designed to destroy the West is no chance happening,
    it was designed for conflict&war-breeding to bring about a OneWorldOrder.

    And for this you have to destroy first freedom and democracy and this most
    pestilent concept : The Nation-State of Free Citizens.

    That's why no leader in the West today is not a quisling to his own people.
    In the present case, sly covert action has provoked overt violent reaction.
    And more is to come.

    False flag or not, it's the triumph of evil.

    Let's not delude ourselves, the Time of Perils have arrived.

  • john

    It seems like the muslim apoligists are the happiest about this incident more than anyone.

  • CHRISTIAN999

    Cant wait to see some of the commentators on here taking their daughters to be measured for a burqua and then to be genitally mutilated.!! NO SURRENDER TO THE SCUM!!

    • Cliff MacLowe

      Would that give you a woody little boy? you know…. seeing that measuring taking place?

  • One World vs God

    Hey – yeah YOU with your finger on the mouse – everyone between YOU and the political center is a murderous, right-wing Christian mean-spirited arch-conservative divisive racist bigoted gun-loving fundie knuckle-dragging misogynistic zionist islamophobic homophobic extremist.

    Especially Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin and Michelle Bachman.

    OK? So just DEAL WITH IT because we are EVERYWHERE.

    Buncha haters y'all…. dang.

    • Foolster41

      It's aparent which side you're on One World vs. God. You with the religious haters who dream of a one world socialistic government.

      Nothing in what you say is true, except the words "conservative" (duh) , "right-wing" (as in, opposite of "left-wing/socialist", yes.), "gun loving" (Well admiring maybe) and "zionist" (hell yes, I support the nationalist asperations of the Jews to their land!). Please show evidence that people here are any of the other things you claim. How are they violent? How are they bigoted? Against whom?

    • skulldiggerin

      Yes like the vermin u 're.
      And then there's such a thing as pest control.

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