Panetta to Israel: Don’t Touch Iran

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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has given Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak a clear warning: don’t attack Iran. Panetta

pointed to a U.S. analysis that a strike on Iran would set back its nuclear program, which Iran says is only for peaceful purposes, by one or two years at most. It would also have implications for U.S. forces in the region.

He added that “thirdly, there are going to be economic consequences to that, that could impact not just on our economy but the world economy.”

What to do, then, if a military strike would be both pointless and harmful?

“The United States feels strongly,” Panetta says, “that the way to deal with [the problem] is to work with our allies, to work with the international community to develop the sanctions and the diplomatic efforts that would further isolate Iran.”

Barak, for his part, doesn’t seem reassured by that. He said it would “probably” take no more than “three-quarters” of a year before

no one can do anything practically about [Iran’s nukes] because the Iranians are gradually, deliberately entering into what I call a zone of immunity, by widening the redundancy of their plan, making it spread over many more sites with many more hidden elements.

Barak also warned that “a nuclear Iran would have deep repercussions for the Middle East, prompting countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Egypt to ‘turn nuclear’ and starting a countdown to putting nuclear materials in the hands of terrorists.”

Another who’s not impressed by the Obama administration’s Iran policy, which Panetta’s words can be assumed to reflect, is Illinois Republican Senator Mark Kirk. As he told FoxNews: “They are not taking any real action against the Central Bank of Iran or other parts of the nuclear program…and then telling everyone else that they shouldn’t do anything either.”

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  • robin

    wow excellent article and analysis by Kirk, just shows how stupid this current us admisnitration is in dealing with iran. they should atleast let israel do what they need to do.

    • americanadvocate


      • Edip Yuksel

        As you stated above, Israel has been biggest bully in the Middle East, the agressor, the killing military machine, the fascist apertheid regime… But, Israel was able to commit all the attrocity and land-grab because of the financial, military and political support of the USA. Israel, in other words is a huge aircraft ship serving the interest of the USA-Inc. The moment the USA-Inc discards Israel, which is almost impossible, then Israel will get its own medicine. The USA-Inc is in decline, the world is fed-up with Zionist attrocities and difiance of international law… So, the end of the fascist regimes (both Iran and Israel) might be sooner than the world is expecting. They might just destroy each other and save the world.

        • Marc R

          You are an ignorant fool with no grasp of reality or of history. Israel is neither fascist or apartheid! You obviously don't know the meaning of either term. Israel has contributed tremendously to the world in all areas. What have the Arabs contributed in the last 500 years? Right! NOTHING and you are part of that.

        • Matt

          Israel is facist
          Israel is an apetheid regime
          "Zionist attrocities and difiance of international law.." &, the tiny nation of Israel is a bully surrounded by its peace loving neighbours.
          Such comments always make me laugh when the person making them, in a vein attempt to sound intelligent, doesn't understand the meaning of the terms being used, you idiot!

        • Tom W.

          This is my only post to you Yuksel in order to sum up all your inane comments on Israel. The only place you've gained your knowledge of Israel has been from hate propaganda! How do I know? Because all you do is repeat the lies from anti-Semitic and Islamic websites, the language of: bully, fascist regime, apartheid, land-grab, killing military machine, Zionist atrocities, etc. are all buzz words used by hate mongers! You know absolutely nothing of Israel other than the hate filled garbage you read thus that makes you garbage! If you really want an education in life, travel to this region and compare the Arab countries versus Israel. The only people with a backwards society are the Arabs and it's they who spend all their time demeaning Jews and Israel in order to justify why their lives and their countries are crap! Rather than lifting themselves up by the bootstraps, Arab society spends an enormous amount of its time, energy and resources to create an entire industry dedicated to believing in Jewish and / or Zionists conspiracies! You're just a dupe who believes in this Arab self-deluded world where everything is THE JEW's fault! Besides reading their propaganda, do watch their TV shows as well or educate your children (if you have any) via Arab children shows that have adults dressed up in Disney like characters costumes telling kids to hate Jews? Yuksel…you're disgusting and reading your comments make me want to vomit!!!

  • UCSPanther

    Israel doesn't need to touch their enemies to destroy them. They have been working on electronic warfare development AND they have a competent, cunning and highly effective intelligence agency whose mere name strikes fear into Israel's enemies.

    I point to Iran suffering a series of misfortunes occurring at inopportune times happening to its missile and Uranium enrichment projects as a possible example.

    • Doe

      Israel has the true G-od helping them… It is not about electroniq toy

      • elixelx

        G0D helps those who help themselves, Doe, so while we here DO indeed trust in G0D we're not waiting for Him to do all the work.
        The problem with the West is that it knows that an Israeli attack on Iran would mean that all the Furies of Hell would be released upon the West; but what will they say if Iran attacks Israel?
        Yep, if they have to choose between watching Survivor and watching the survivors of a nuclear blast in Tel Aviv (Heaven Forbid) on the Evening News, Americans would wait for the "reality" show to finish before switching to watch the reality show in T-A.
        And that in the end is what it will be about; their creature comforts against our existence. We know what THEY will choose–NOT US! And what will we choose…?

        • Libertyman

          "G0D helps those who help themselves"

          Note that is not a Biblical statement – That is a quote from Ben Franklin.

          Thought someone would appreciate the clarity.

      • Edip Yuksel

        Like all agressors, the fascist Israeli regime too will lose. I would like to hear you then! It will not take long that this cancer will be eliminated. It will be good news for peaceful Jews who will prefer to live in peace with their neighbors, and the rest of the world.

        • UCSPanther

          All attempts to destroy it have failed. You wanna try?

          It's your funeral…

          • Herman Caintonette

            Jews like EY are welcome here. You, otoh, are free to leave.

          • UCSPanther

            In case you haven't noticed Commie, this is OUR territory.

            You are the one who will leave.

          • aspacia

            Straight from the immigrant's mouth to welcome those against U.S. interests.

            Cain incarnate, you are free to go back to the ME and enjoy all its tolerance and freedom—BYE, BYE!

        • Marc R

          You are still a dope!

        • aspacia

          The land was purchased Edip, and the Muslims initiated the violence.

  • enigma

    just the fact that any one can come up with this kind of reasoning to practically do

    nothing is mind boggling,and never the less the u.s.go believe that.

  • Alexander Gofen

    "Jews have a state and the ability to act" but not the mentality to act: at least not in this epoch…

    As to what is Leon Paneta see here:

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Enlightening article. Kind of adds confirmation to my analysis.

    • aspacia

      Thanks for the link Gofen:-) I did not know this about Panetta, but I am not surprised considering the others who surround O: Van Jones, Rev. Wright, Cas Sustein, et al.

  • SHmuelHaLevi

    It would disingenous to believe that Israel "purportedly" has many hundreds of nuclear devices to keep them in storage and many ICBM with MIRV capabilities as well as a well rounded space fleet as a sport distraction.
    I would have to assume that the above and a formidable military, would have to eventually attend to Iran's nuclear program, with or without the present administration ok.
    Regretfully the American voters fell for an administration unlikely to produce benefits for the US and certainly one that has made of the US foreign credibiliy a shambles.
    Nuclear threats will not be passed over by Israel.

    • WildJew

      Not just regretfully. Appallingly, Americans elected a dangerous Muslim-born president, only seven years after the 9/11 Muslim-terror atrocities in New York and Washington. It is as if the American people lost their collective minds, November 2008. Or maybe they internalized all these assurances from George W. Bush that Islam is a religion of peace.

      • aspacia

        Many are naive, I refused to vote for O and this is the first time I voted for a Republican president in my long years of voting.

    • americanadvocate


      • Stan Lee

        American Advocate:
        What is your reliable information that Israel has "several F-22 fighter-bombers?"
        The F-22 program was reduced to only those already built for the USAF and deployed to its squadrons. I doubt if any F-22's went to any allies, especially Israel with an Obama administration in power. Please clarify or was yours wishful thinking?
        An F-35 program was created in its stead, because the F-22, while that is the most superior plane of its type, costs far more than F-35's. The choice was made to go with a less expensive, but more numerous F-35, being adapted to each service arm for their respective missions.
        The IAF has no stealth bombers in service, Iran has the latest Russian electronic/ air defense measures. I wouldn't be surprised if that Russian A.A. equipment is manned by Russians. Russia wouldn't want the embarrassment of its "super stuff" failing by Iranian mishandling.
        Delivering "Bunker Busters" by planes is not a routine task for IAF in this case. I think Israel is working up other bomb delivery options.

  • Frank95054

    It's foolish to believe that the Obama administration would help Israel. Israel has the right under the United Nations Charter to wage war against Iran when ever she gets up the nerve to do so. The President of Iran is guilty of Genocide for calling for the destruction of Israel simply because it is a Jewish State. The majority people of Iran however, do not hold the view of its leadership. True Persians are seeking freedom and the ability to regain their lost identities that were stolen from them by the Arabs. Therefore, I urge Israel to strike the heart of the beast and take out the Government and Special military units. Hell with the USA.

  • anonymous

    Without American cooperation how is Israel going to take out Iran's massive under the mountain nuclear bomb factories? How is Israel even going to get it's planes to Iraq? It was able to take out Iraq's Osirak reactor but Iraq was taken by surprise and Iran is waiting for Israel. Also Israel can't take out Iran's entire nuclear program with a few planes the way it took out Osirak. It's hard to believe that the U.S. believes that sanctions will prevent Iran from getting nuclear bombs. Even with willful blindness one would think they can't be that stupid. And it's hard to believe that the U.S. govt believes that Iran won't use the bombs on the U.S. perhaps they believe that once Iran has the bomb they can pressure Israel into suicide and then Iran will like them.

  • Flipside

    It’s funny watching all you Jewish racists and Christian Fundamentalists having a hoedown.

    • WildJew

      Where is the racism? Obama's father was not Muslim? What does Islamic law say about a man who is born of a Muslim father? Do you know what Jewish law says about a man born of a Jewish mother? Did you know a Jew can be a non-practicing Jew or an atheist and still be a Jew? If Obama converted to Christianity doesn't that make him apostate (murtad)? In his June 2009 Cairo speech, Obama spoke of having known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first "revealed." Apparently Obama believes Qur'an is the revealed word of Allah, dictated to Muhammad. Obama mentioned the "holy" Qur'an at least four times. Do non-Muslims use this Islamic "formulation?" (F. Gaffney) Obama said he looked forward to the day "….when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims,and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them) joined in prayer." Obama claims to be a Christian. Do Christians refer to Jesus as a dead prophet (i.e., "peace be upon him") or do Christians believe he is a living god or God? Isn't something amiss or awry here?

      • Big Irish

        dead on Wild….BO (pissbeuponhim) is muslim to the core…he doesnt give a damn about the west or the U.S….he has proven it over and over again…he needs his pansey islamic ass booted so far from the white house…ANYONE looks better in there than this disgrace!

      • Herman Caintonette

        Apparently Obama believes Qur'an is the revealed word of Allah, dictated to Muhammad. Obama mentioned the "holy" Qur'an at least four times.

        From time to time, I refer to the Bible as the "Holy Bible" or "Holy Writ." Does that make me a Christian? Perish the thought.

    • Amal Ekilla

      Here's an idea, Mr Flipside: apply for protected minority status for yourself and your merry band of leftoid comrades. Then we Jewish and Christian freemen will be delighted to engage in fundamentalist, racist discourse regarding your wretched community, its filthy customs and the void at its core.

    • Edip Yuksel

      Like all bullies and racists, Zionazis too are self-righteous. Besides, they are so paranoid that they have become psychopaths, without even knowing it. The world is tired of the racist and fascist Jews.. This include peaceful and progressive Jews… The day will come when we will witness that the fascist regime in Israel will go down the drain like its predecessors in fascist Germany and Italy. Wait and see..

      • Edip Yuksel

        My statement above might be distorted by Zionists. I made exception the peaceful Jews from them. There are many Jews who are tired and sick of the attrocities committed by Zionists.

        • JoJoJams

          Actually, Edip – your first statement is more accurate as to how the world sees "the jew". Because "they" will come for ALL jews….including "the peaceful and progressive jews". You simply have no clue….. As your posts show. selah

        • Herman Caintonette

          And these are the people I am listening to. The rabid camels in Horowitz's pack are what they are.

      • aspacia

        It is the Muslims who:
        1. practice mysogyny
        2. practice maiming and beheading criminals
        3. execute homosexuals
        4. discriminate against nonMuslims
        5. tax non Muslims
        6. assimilates its brethren and others
        7. does not have socialized health care
        8. has slavery

        Israel does non of the above and the country is morally superior to its neighbors.

    • Ghostwriter

      I don't think Israeli fears are invalid,due to the neighborhood they're in. Those like Flipside and Herman Caintonette would love to see dead Israelis because they don't see them as human beings with feelings. Iran has repeatedly said it wants to wipe Israel of the face of the earth. We should take them at their word. Don't forget. Flipside and Herman Caintonette are both Jew haters who don't care a whit about Jews. They just want them dead.

      • Herman Caintonette

        Quite to the contrary, it is your inability to see the Palestinians as people deserving of the same consideration you expect from others which creates the problem.

        • Ghostwriter

          Unfortunately HC,it's kind of hard for me to forget that those Palestinians that you love so much danced and celebrated the deaths of three thousand Americans on 9/11. They also have anti-semitic propaganda that would make Joseph Goebbels proud. Forgive me,but if you dance and sing and pass out flowers at the worst terrorist attack in memory then you lose any rights to any sympathy from me or anyone else for that matter.

      • aspacia

        Neither care a whit about the USA.

    • joe

      my thoughts exactly

  • 1minuteman

    panetta and obama has no right to tell israel what to do when it comes to the survival of israel. it is painfully obvious that israel is in a spot thanks to obama. funny how obama comes to the aide of any country that the muslim brotherhood would take over but craps on the only true democracy in the middle east. most of the usa stands with israel. sanctions have worked real good so far haven't they obummer?

  • Mickey Oberman

    In Panetta Obama has picked yet another prize winning, obedient zombie.

  • Feinkost kaufen

    The western countries has to prevent the iran to get nukes with all forthcoming means!!!!
    Hier kann der Gourmet einfach und bequem Feinkost kaufen.

    • aspacia

      Tell that to your Chancellor Merkel.

  • ze-ev ben jehudah

    Some 77 years ago you could hear the same arguments as you hear today.
    The nazi beast should have been stopped said one side no said the other side
    mr Hitles is a decent man he will not attack Europe and what he says about
    Jews!! it is only a loudmounth he does'nt mean it,not one bit. Let him have
    Sudentenland (part of Poland that way back belonged to Germany) that is all
    he want. Well we know the concequences of those toughts.
    Replace Mr Hitler for that animal who rules Iran.He onbly want to destroy Israel
    nothing more so let him have his way that is what one side is telling us we will
    put more sanctions on Iran and then thay will comply??? (LOL) no we should
    attack him right now the is still time. Russia – China and Pakistan !! if you do
    you will find us at the opposide. And then there is a muslim born oval office
    occupier who sits on the sideline and is paralized of fright to offend the Arab
    world. What becomes more and more certain is a thirth world war.

    • Herman Caintonette

      No one suggests that the current Iranian regime is benign. That having been said, no serious observer would compare Ahmedinejad to Hitler, in terms of the menace posed to the world at large.

      Israel's problems are Israel's — NOT ours. If you want to fight for Israel, then leave.

    • Edip Yuksel

      I am in agreement with the message above, except for one point. Today's Nazis are the Zionists in Israel and the USA.

      • UCSPanther

        Funny. I thought all you antizionists admired Adolf Hitler…

      • Herman Caintonette


  • StephenD

    “thirdly, there are going to be economic consequences to that, that could impact not just on our economy but the world economy.”
    They’re worried about the cost in dollars. They don't mention if Iran attacks, it may cost millions of lives! I only hope Israel can hold on until they have a true friend in the W.H. again. Israel should not be left to the wolves. America must be in support of Israel or we have come to nothing….deservedly so.

    • Herman Caintonette

      And again, it may not. Not attacking Iran might mean avoiding WWIII; attacking Iran is almost certain to precipitate it. A former head of the Mossad says it would be "stupid" for Israel or the US to attack Iran, and I'm sure he is more competent and well-informed than you.

      Israel is not our problem. It is more trouble than it is worth to us.

      • aspacia

        Now Cain incarnate can add fortune telling to his ignoble resume.

        No one knows what will happen until it happens, another fallacy to add to your list Cain.

  • Larry

    Panetta is no more then Obama's mouth piece. The only reason Panetta is Sec. of Defense is payback for being a devout supporter of his boss, Obama. This is one more example of putting unqualified hacks in responsible positions in government.

  • Herman Caintonette

    The former head of the Mossad said that it would be "stupid" for either Israel or the U.S. to attack Iran. Now, why are you yahoos right and him, wrong?

    • stern

      Please do not respond to this poster. It is a vile anti-Semite that has openly advocated on these pages, for the murder of Jewish children simply because they are Jewish. Bacteria like this can only thrive when in the spotlight. By depriving it of the light it so desires, we can cause it to wither and die – or at least go somewhere else.

      • Herman Caintonette

        Translated, "I can't vanquish Herm on the merits, so I have to lie and defame him to silence him."

        Stern is a vile child-molester.

      • StephenD

        Stern, Keep up the good work! I too, when I see it, post against this imposter of a human. Invalidation is what "it" deserves.

      • Herman Caintonette

        Translated, "I can't vanquish Herm on the merits, so I have to defame him."

        • mrbean

          Hemaphro Castrati once again demostrates his lack in intellect and aignificant gaps in knowledge in another post. A good analogy would be a naked streaker running past a group of girls with a "one-incher" and not aware the laughs are open ridicule. He is definitely a fool who is unaware he is a fool.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Beano is really Jerry Sandusky; he has lots of time on his hands these days….

      • WildJew

        From time to time, I respond to vile anti-Semites so long as they are civil.

        • stern

          No such thing as a civil anti-Semite. They may give the appearance of civility, but the truth about this particular bacterium has been revealed.

        • joe

          The only proper response to killers of Americans and Israelis is with a gun.

    • CaininetteJihadLover

      The former head of the mossad is a left wing JACKASS who kneels to jihadis just like you. With any luck the pictures of both of you with your mouths busy with the jihadis and the communists you stand with will be shown soon.

  • Steve Chavez

    If Iran NUKED ISRAEL, would Obama defend Israel with nukes of our own? Why did he want to apologize to Japan for us dropping two on them and then having to decide to drop a couple on Iran? HE WOULDN'T DEFEND ISRAEL AND YET AMERICAN JEWS SUPPORT AND FUND HIM???

    WHERE ARE ALL THE WORLD'S, AND OUR, ANTI-NUKE PROTESTERS? Isn't it easier to stop a country from building them than to get to them to abolish them once they build a few? Well, this again shows that our CPUSA front groups, beholden to the Soviet KGB during the Cold War and now to KGB Putin, will not protest nukes but they do shout "NO WAR ON IRAN" just like KGB Putin and China are doing! If they don't want "War" then they need to stop the reason there could be "War" and that's Iran's pursuit of the bomb! (One of those Soviet KGB DUPES was Barack Obama. While at Columbia he wrote an article IN SUPPORT of these front groups who supported EVERY Soviet program! Google: "Obama Sundial 1983" and you will see why the KGB/FSB, Putin, are still OBAMA'S MASTER!)

    ISRAEL is being painted into a corner and like any animal or person being put in that position, they realize they have to attack first and at least try to survive or surely die if they roll up like a coward and die a brutal death! Israel has HUGE NEW DRONES and now have updated refueling capabilities so they can attack in mass and surely they have developed weapons that no one knows about that will create that surprise attack.

    BLACKMAIL is now Iran's plan. "We'll stop oil shipments and Venezuela will join us." THEN YOU HAVE OBAMA'S WAR ON OIL and imposing moratoriums, restrictions, and A PIPELINE that could counter any Arab Oil Embargo. GATES then dismisses an attack as Iran will just go covert? WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW? Then he says an attack will only buy us "TWO TO THREE YEARS" but that's just in time for a NEW U.S. PRESIDENT who will support a GREEN REVOLUTION, AND REGIME CHANGE, as vigorously as Obama is now supporting the Arab Spring!

    Would the SAUDI'S and OPEC cover the oil lost from Iran's production quota? The Saudi's, and other smaller countries in the Gulf like Kuwait, Dubai/UAE/Tourism, don't want Iranian nukes either. What happened in Libya was a slight rise in price, which was already lower, so the NATO action had little effect and that was an all out assault which an attack on Iran will be pinpointed. Iran also needs oil revenues to survive especially when they need gasoline which is something they have to import too and their supply can also be cut off since they export oil to be refined to gasoline. Venezuela, and all the countries they bribe, would collapse without their petro-dollars. China is the biggest loser and I don't give a dam(n about them!

    IF IRAN USES A NUKE ANYWHERE ON EARTH, the whole Middle East will be turned into GREEN GLASS as there will be a World War fought with nukes! Ever been to Trinity Site near Socorro, New Mexico where I was born and raised and the site of the first Atomic Bomb? The sand was melted into GREEN GLASS! I used to have a pocket full of the small pieces but I gave them to people who really, REALLY, appreciated them: World War II vets!

  • ObamaYoMoma

    “The United States feels strongly,” Panetta says, “that the way to deal with [the problem] is to work with our allies, to work with the international community to develop the sanctions and the diplomatic efforts that would further isolate Iran.”

    If the USA works with our feckless dhimmi allies the Euroloons and the dhimmi international community that all hate Israel with a passion, and if Israel is stupid enough to go along with this insane charade, then Iran will inevitably acquire nukes. In response the Sunni Islamic world will quickly become armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons already stockpiled in Pakistan, and the entire Islamic world, with its mandate to make Islam supreme, will become exponentially far more belligerent and aggressive. Israel inevitably will subsequently be destroyed and Armageddon will ensue.

    How many times has soft power ever worked to stop aggressive totalitarians? Did it stop Hitler? Did it stop Mussolini? Did it stop Stalin? Did it stop Saddam? Did it stop the N. Koreans? The answer is it inevitably fails just like clockwork each and every time it is tried, and it will inevitably fail again this time.

    Hence, Israel needs to do whatever is necessary to ensure its national security, and if that means attacking Iran to set them back for just a year, then so be it. If that means using nukes to set their nuclear weapons program back far longer, then so be it. And if the Obama administration were smart, it would take all contingencies into account and be prepared for all contingencies. Indeed, if the Obama administration were smart it would be preparing joint operations with Israel to eradicate the ruling Mullah regime and to destroy their nuclear weapons program. It would also subsequently follow up by eliminating Pakistan's nuclear weapons arsenal and program as well.

    Indeed, while the Bush administration was incredibly incompetent in its own right, it's as if the Obama administration is the enemy!

    If Israel is smart, it will do whatever it deems necessary to ensure its national security regardless of the delusional Euroloons and feckless Obama administration, and hopefully that involves bombing Iran's nuclear weapons program and if that resorts in a war and the Strait of Hormuz gets shut down because the US is unprepared, then oh well.

  • StephenD

    I LOVE that no one is responding to Herman "killing Jewish kids is morally legitimate" Caintonette.
    Invalidation is what he deserves here on FPM.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Your god had no problem killing Egyptian kids as punishment for Pharoah's tyranny. By your metric, you are a racist.

    • Jpeditor

      Go take your babble somewhere else. You have posted the same garbage on 20 different articles. Perhaps you should be tracked down so we can see if you work for Obama or Romney.

      • Herman Caintonette

        I'll make you guys a deal: If Horowitz promises — in writing, and in a binding form — to stop whining uncontrollably about how his bizarre, racist, and traitorous views have been censored or otherwise disadvantaged in the world of academia, I will be happy to leave this intellectually-challenged echo-chamber.

        The University of Colorado is not required to give you drooling religious nutters a forum for your traitorous views. But if you believe in academic freedom, you can't not practice it at home.

        • UCSPanther

          Don't like it, don't read it.

          Easy as that.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Indeed, if I were a Jew living in Israel, I would recommend that Israel use nukes to stop Iran from acquiring nukes. Indeed, what is the use of having a nuclear weapons arsenal if you don't have the will to use it to ensure your own national security, and also what kind of message will that send to Israel's Islamic enemies? As I see it, Israel doesn't have any other choice but to use nukes in this case to end Iran's nuclear weapons quest and to also send a very loud and very clear message to its Islamic and Euroloon enemies, that it will not tolerate its enemies possessing nukes.

    And with respect to the USA, why does the vast overwhelming majority of American citizens support Israel, but at the same time our federal government is hostile to Israel? What's wrong with this country?

    Indeed, we are on the verge of cutting 432 billion dollars from our military budget today, which will hollow out our military and inevitably lead to world war, and the only reason we are considering doing it is so that we can continue accommodating mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage.

    Indeed, if the Bush administration hadn't doubled the size, scope, and power of the federal government like a Dhimmicrat administration on steroids in response to 9/11 via the creation of the gargantuan Department of Homeland Security and the humongous National Intelligence Directorate, we would not be facing this problem today. Hence, the solution is simple, outlaw Islam and then ban and reverse mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage ASAP. Then eliminate the gargantuan Department of Homeland Security and the National Intelligence Directorate since it won't be needed as zero Muslims equals zero jihad attacks.

    Obviously, our elite politicians are selling us out and turning us into feckless submissive dhimmis exactly like has already been accomplished in Europe. The American people better wake up, as their first and highest priority is to disarm America and they are on the verge of accomplishing it. If that happens, freedom and liberty won't have long to live.

    Indeed, some elitist politicians today are acting like they are outraged, but the reality is many of those elitist politicians have really sold us out.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Unfortunately, that pesky Bill of Rights gets in the way….

      • ObamaYoMoma

        Unfortunately, that pesky Bill of Rights gets in the way….

        No, the Bill of Rights doesn't get in the way of outlawing Islam and banning and reversing mass Muslim immigration as you wish it did, since Islam is not a faith-based religion as it purports to be. For instance, Islam prescribes death to all blasphemers and apostates, which means the freedom of conscience in Islam is forbidden. Which faith-based religions likewise prescribes death to all blasphemers and apostates and forbids the freedom of conscience? The answer is none, irrefutably proving that Islam is not a faith-based religion as it purports to be. Therefore, Islam is not protected by the establishment clause of the first amendment and should be outlawed and mass Muslim immigration banned and reversed ASAP.

        Indeed, anyone who has taken the time to study the evolution of Islam knows that Islam really is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that seeks world domination. Thus, the USA should drop the fantasy based misguided “War on Terror” and institute a policy to contain the growth and expansion of Islam instead.

        • Herman Caintonette

          Good luck with that argument.

          If you were successful, we could also outlaw Judaism. Be careful what you wish for — you just might get it.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            Actually, that is only a tiny portion of the argument that can be made in that regard, but it nonetheless proves irrefutably that Islam is not a faith based religion as it purports itself to be and therefore isn't protected under the establishment clause of the first amendment or any other clause for that matter as so many people erroneously believe. With respect to Judaism, on the other hand, along with Christianity, it is the foundation of Western civilization.

          • Herman Caintonette

            The Free Exercise Clause doesn't distinguish. Your analysis is 50% eisegesis, and 50% wishful thinking.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            The Free Exercise Clause doesn't distinguish. Your analysis is 50% eisegesis, and 50% wishful thinking.

            With all due disrespect, if it isn't a faith-based religion, then it isn't protected under the establishment clause of the first amendment and therefore can be outlawed. Hell, even if it were protected by the establishment clause of the first amendment and it is not, it still can be outlawed. Only it will take a little longer to do so, as the bill of rights doesn't protect the rights of an entity deliberately trying to destroy our society.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Says who? Got case law? Didn't think so.

            You won't find anything in the Annals, Elliot's, or anything else to support your fantastic flight of fancy.

    • joe

      your a complete idiot.

      • ObamaYoMoma

        your a complete idiot.

        And you are a delusional anti-Semitic Jew hating bigot and American hating Muslim apologist. So what else is new moonbat?

        • joe

          ha ha ha i love it when you tell someone the truth and they cant face it. you hate yourself. you think you know but you dont do you? everything you stated is flat wrong and beyond shocking.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            everything you stated is flat wrong and beyond shocking.

            Beyond shocking only to self-hating moonbats like you. Indeed, I promise that far more of the posters here at FPM will agree with me more than they will agree with an unhinged Jew hating anti-Semitic bigot and American hating Muslim apologist like you. You want to bet?

          • joe

            just because more posters here agree with you does not make them all correct. people here are craving blood and war. i simply do not agree. i see you hating me and the whole of ethnic muslims. i see a massive israeli techno-army killing poor people and wrecking their houses. you seem fine with that. they should share that land. you portray me as a minority. the posters here may agree with you, but far more people in the WORLD agree with me. you wanna bet?

          • ObamaYoMoma

            you seem fine with that. they should share that land.

            Yeah right. Sorry, but Muslims don't share land with non-Muslim unbelievers ever. They subsume land by rendering non-Muslim unbelievers into harsh and degrading dhimmitude via the imposition of Sharia in order to make Islam supreme.

            you portray me as a minority.

            Actually, I'm portraying you as a gullible self-hating loon because you are a gullible self-hating loon and also a humongous useful idiot.

            the posters here may agree with you, but far more people in the WORLD agree with me. you wanna bet?

            Oh, I'm fully aware that because most of the people in the world are delusional leftists that have been rendered into gullible useful idiots the same way you have, that they are as mentally incompetent as you, but you really don't have to convince me of that. That's something I observe on a daily basis. Thanks for playing.

          • joe

            wow nice book report! too bad you did not even read the book. you say you dont crave blood and war and at the same time recommend using nukes. what the hell is that? anyone who advocates using nukes is completely insane. YOU ARE the one who is conditioned, a useful idiot and all that. lets take the easy way and kill them right? it is too hard to live together without mass murder huh? wimp. you desperately cling to your position like your whole world is going to be over if YOU ARE wrong. the whole world is wrong, but YOU ARE right arent you? YOU ARE a scared child trying to use big words. im reading a one sided rant where you cherry pick exceptions to justify your sweeping claims. its utter foolishness and the funny part is you think YOU ARE so cool. blame america? ron paul? KGB? what come on really? words dont get through so lets do some math. look at how many palestinians have been killed vs how may israelis. look at the coverage of isreali deaths vs coverage of palestinian deaths. compare the number of women & children killed on both sides. how many homes have been destroyed on both sides? have you even seen any of this data? israel is way overdue jack. they are gonna get what they have been giving. they know it. deep down i suspect you know it too. if this goes on both sides will be gone and they may take the world with them. you dont want that right? i dont like it anymore then you. its a terrible cycle of death and it is profoundly sad. YOU ARE killing the messenger and not even hearing the message. both sides are wrong about continuing this conflict. its stupid and irresponsible and should be stopped. but you man– you take the cake AND cut the cheese. YOU ARE a promoter violence, a paranoid parrot, and a turd. you want to contribute energy into ending this? take a long look in the mirror fool….. here is you "i m mad i m going to call him a moonbat"….i bet that makes you feel giddy huh? are you strong enough to break out of your cage? doubt it.

          • ObamaYoMoma

            too bad you did not even read the book. you say you dont crave blood and war and at the same time recommend using nukes. what the hell is that?

            Let me connect the dots for you moonbat. I don't crave blood and war. If Iran gets nuclear weapons after killing thousands of American troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan with impunity, not only will they use nuclear weapons to attempt to eradicate Israel as they promise, but they will also attempt to use them against America as well as they also promise, especially since we let them get away with killing thousands of Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq with impunity and emboldened them in the process at the same time.

            Not only that but the Sunni Islamic world will quickly become armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons in response to Iran, because Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons will render the NPT not worth the paper it is printed on.

            How would the Sunni Islamic world quickly acquire nukes? It would get them from Pakistan, which has already produced far more nuclear weapons than it needs to destroy India many times over thanks to Saudi petro-dollars, who are really the owner of Pakistan's nuclear weapons arsenal.

            Thus, if Iran gets nukes, the entire Sunni Islamic world will quickly become armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons as well in response to a nuclear armed Shi'a Iran. Which means that the Islamic world with its imperative to make Islam supreme will become armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons, and an Islamic world armed to the teeth with nuclear arms will inevitably become far more belligerent and aggressive, and at the same time preordain a thermonuclear WWIII that will make WWII seem like a pleasant stroll in the park.

            Therefore, I advocate Israel doing whatever it takes, including the use of nuclear weapons, to stop the far greater carnage that will inevitably ensue around the world should Iran be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons with impunity. There is a reason conservatives always grimace whenever loons like you and Obama hold the highest office in the land, not only because you moonbats are mentally incompetent when it comes to economics, but because you self-hating moonbats are also useful idiots when it comes to foreign policy and national defense.

            anyone who advocates using nukes is completely insane.

            Uhm…what is the use of stockpiling nuclear weapons for national defense if you don't have the will to use them for national defense when called for moonbat? And it is not like we don't know that Muslims as opposed to rational non-Muslims won't hesitate to use them. Maybe you don't know, since it is obvious you believe Muslims or just like Westerners. But don't assume that everyone else is nearly as mentally deficient as you are.

            YOU ARE the one who is conditioned, a useful idiot and all that. lets take the easy way and kill them right?

            It's not about killing them in cold-blood moron. It's about eliminating your enemy before your enemy eliminates you. It's called self-defense.

            it is too hard to live together without mass murder huh? wimp. you desperately cling to your position like your whole world is going to be over if YOU ARE wrong. the whole world is wrong, but YOU ARE right arent you? YOU ARE a scared child trying to use big words. im reading a one sided rant where you cherry pick exceptions to justify your sweeping claims. its utter foolishness and the funny part is you think YOU ARE so cool. blame america? ron paul? KGB? what come on really? words dont get through so lets do some math.

            Wow…your rant is dripping with emotion, which vividly sets apart leftwing moonbats from rational conservatives in that delusional leftwing self-hating loons like you are addicted to emoting, while conservatives like me in stark contrast are addicted to emotionless rationalizing, and that stark difference between the two of us condemns moronic leftists like you to a lifetime of being a useful idiot and mentally handicapped moonbat.

            –Continued below

          • ObamaYoMoma

            look at how many palestinians have been killed vs how may israelis.

            Again, more irrational emoting. It's not about how many so-called Palestinian jihadists have been killed in self-defense by Israel you moonbat. It's about seeing the world the way it really is, which delusional and emotional self-hating moonbats like you are incapable of doing.

            The so-called Palestinians, which are the proxy of the Islamic world created out of whole cloth to dupe gullible useful idiots like you, exactly like all jihadists the world over, when it comes to waging jihad against non-Muslim unbelievers in the cause of Allah to make Islam supreme, always deliberately targets civilian non-combatants and military combatants alike.

            Hell, in Iraq and Afghanistan exponentially far more jihadists have been killed relative to American troops. Should America execute some American troops to make it seem more proportional for you irrational and unhinged self-hating moonbats? Would that make you emotionally feel better, less guilty. and be less self-hating?

            Indeed, war is about killing your enemy before your enemy kills you, and as for as I'm concerned, the Israelis, thanks to leftwing useful idiots like you, haven't been nearly aggressive enough when it comes to defending themselves from jihad, which has inevitably led to more and greater jihad and many more Israelis being killed than necessary. Nevertheless, it isn't a game and no one is keeping scores, except for unhinged irrational moonbats like you.

            look at the coverage of isreali deaths vs coverage of palestinian deaths. compare the number of women & children killed on both sides.

            Actually, no other military in the world is better at avoiding civilian causalities than the Israelis. As a matter of fact, most militaries in the world today send representatives to Israel to study and learn from the IDF how to avoid civilian casualties. Indeed, no other military is better at it than the IDF.

            Not to mention, that in Islamic society as opposed to Western society, there are no civilians, as per the sixth and most important pillar of Islam, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS are jihadists. A few of them are violent jihadists, while most of the are non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists, and the few that aren't jihadists aren't Muslims at all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam should be executed.

            And if you are talking about news coverage, because the Left monopolizes the international press today, not only are the Israelis routinely vilified and demonized constantly every day, but also when they are forced to act in self-defense, their carnage is always inevitably blown way out of proportion deliberately with numerous false allegations of civilian massacres. Then when the subsequent investigations later reveal the Israelis to be innocent of the false charges months and even years later, it is either not covered altogether or relegated to a tiny article on the back pages by the leftist monopolized press.

            how many homes have been destroyed on both sides?

            It doesn't matter you jihadists apologizing self-hating loon. It's not a basketball game. No one is keeping score. It's jihad and it is self-defense. Indeed, how many rockets has the state of Israel fired into Gaza aimed at schools and hospitals? The answer is zero. Hence, the state of Israel is losing the contest big time. What an emotional and irrational moron you are!

            have you even seen any of this data?

            Is there a scoreboard somewhere, not to check the data, but to check your level of emoting instead you irrational unhinged loon?

            Not to mention that the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, exactly like the Hindu unbelievers in Kashmir, Jammu, and India, exactly like the Buddhist unbelievers in Thailand, exactly like the Christian unbelievers in the Philippines, exactly like the atheist and Orthodox Christian unbelievers in Chechnya and Russia, exactly like the animist and Christian unbelievers in Cote D'Ivoire, Nigeria, Sudan, Somalia, and Lebanon, and exactly like the Orthodox Christian Serb unbelievers in Bosnia and Kosovo, all of which are also facing permanent and perpetual jihads of conquest being waged against them by the Islamic world exactly like the jihad of conquest being waged perpetually against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, only react in self-defense in order to protect the respective lives and property of their sovereign citizens.

            Indeed, would the USA countenance the perpetual bombardment of American civilian citizens if it emanated from Mexico? Would it countenance innocent civilian American non-combatants being blown to smithereens insides Pizza Parlors, Shopping Malls, Public Transpiration Buses, Discotheques, etc.? Would you? Don't answer that; I already know the answer.

            –Continued below

          • ObamaYoMoma

            In addition, given the fact that the Islamic world is also waging permanent and perpetual jihads of conquest against the aforementioned non-Muslim unbelievers sprinkled around the world just as they are also waging a permanent and perpetual jihad of conquest against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel, why do you single out only the jihad of conquest being waged against the Jewish unbelievers in Israel to incite hatred and violence against Jews you moronic anti-Semitic Jew hating bigot? Indeed, why are you opposed to Jews acting in self defense, but at the same time are silent when other non-Muslim unbelievers also react in self-defense. Indeed, as much as your posts are dripping with emotions, they are also dripping with anti-Semitic bigotry!

            israel is way overdue jack. they are gonna get what they have been giving.

            See what I mean, like a bigot you hate Jews and like a moron you are obsessed with incessantly inciting hatred and violence against Israel to help facilitate another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews because one wasn't enough to pacify your enormous thirst for the blood of Jews.

            its a terrible cycle of death and it is profoundly sad.

            It's not a terrible cycle of death. It's a permanent jihad of conquest being waged perpetually by Muslim jihadists in the cause of Allah against the non-Muslim Jewish unbelievers in Israel to make Islam supreme, and the only reason it is allowed to continue perpetually as it has been for the past 80 years is because of moronic and bigoted moonbats like you who demand that their thirst for more Jewish blood be quenched.

            YOU ARE killing the messenger and not even hearing the message. both sides are wrong about continuing this conflict.

            In other words, your message is the 9/11 jihad attacks were America's chickens coming home to roost, therefore, in your unhinged mind both sides are wrong and morally equivalent. Indeed, you are a shining example and the personification of the ravages of secularism and moral relativism at its best.

            However, you unhinged leftwing self-hating loons better hurry up and destroy the world quickly while you can and before your window of opportunity closes, because delusional self-hating leftist moonbats like you that are addicted to secularism, irrational emoting, and moral relativism are a fast dying breed. Indeed, since your inherent secular hedonism precludes you unhinged leftwing ignoramuses from reproducing at replacement levels, the future for irrational self-hating leftism in this world is demographic collapse and hedonistic suicide.

            Thus, while today, especially in Europe, there may be more irrational delusional leftists in the world thanks to Cultural Communism, in 10 to15 years from now you unhinged and irrational leftwing moonbats will fast become a dying breed. Therefore, your window of opportunity for destroying the world will be closed in only a few short years, and that is something that warms my heart.

            YOU ARE a promoter violence, a paranoid parrot, and a turd. you want to contribute energy into ending this? take a long look in the mirror fool….. here is you "i m mad i m going to call him a moonbat"….i bet that makes you feel giddy huh? are you strong enough to break out of your cage? doubt it.

            Like I said, your unhinged diatribe is just dripping with irrational emoting. Indeed, you are so irrational and thoroughly confused that at the same time you falsely accuse me of craving blood and war, you also incessantly incite hatred and violence against Israel to pacify your unhinged compulsion to facilitate another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews. Amazing.

          • joe

            looks like we got a real WIZARD here. whats wrong? do you have to type a lot so you feel better? Awww come on its not that bad. you cant be short and to the point huh? bottom line– your analysis is DEEPLY flawed on a whole range levels. you are in absolute denial bud. come back to reality GANDALF. id bet $ your a christian fundamentalist or one of those fanatical racist zionist supremacist…… fascinating…. try thinking for yourself for a change… or taking the time to consider some questions. its a big fat lie.

            "Life is like a ride in an amusement park… and when you go on it you think its real because thats how powerful our minds are. the ride goes up and down and round and round and it has thrills and chills and is very brightly colored… and its very loud…. and its fun… for awhile. some have been on the ride for a long time and they begin to question 'is this real or is this just a ride?' …and other people have remembered and they come back to us and say 'hey dont worry– dont be afraid ever… because this is just a ride.' …and we kill those people…. 'shut him up! i got a lot invested in this ride… shut him up! look at my big bank account and my family this has to be real.' …its just a ride and we'll kill those good guys who try to tell us that….. you ever notice that? … and let the demons run amok… but it doesn't matter because its just a ride and we can change it anytime we want. its only a choice no effort no work no job no savings of money– its just a choice right now between fear and love"

          • aspacia


            Muslims initiated the violence and Israel is defending herself.

            The USA also has a techno-army and drones. Are you accusing the US and Israel of killing poor people and wrecking their homes without cause?

            We have a right to retaliate when attacked. Frankly, Muslims are the aggressors, they lost the land in wars of aggression, hence the land belongs to Israel.

            The cowards in Brussels bend over because the want the oil and to avoid Muslim violence.

      • aspacia

        joe, it is you're not your! One is a contraction, the other is possessive.

  • jacob

    The late Israeli comedian SHIMON DZIGAN said in one of his "shticks" that
    American politicians are so smart, so shrewd, it is impossible to tell where
    the sage ends and the dunce begins but if anybody believes Mr. PANETTA is
    actually the classic example of it, let him be informed that it seems to actually
    be something genetic….

    But being PANETTA in the present case just the mouthpiece of the one who
    apologized to the Arab world for American misdeeds to them, who genuflexed to
    the Keeper of the Faith, etc,. there is nothing to wonder about…

    I don't believe it is worth to obliterate IRAN's nuclear installations which, given
    the depth to which they most probably buried them, will require a special type
    of bomb which I bet PANETTA's boss will not supply Israel with….

    Why not bring about the "Economic Crisis" so feared by Mr PANETTA by nuking
    IRAN's oil wells, so not a single drop of oil can be drawn in 20 years ????

    Then they would have to chose between eating of going nuclear, right ????

  • notme

    Why was this admonition provided to Israel in public? One possible reason is that the U.S., through this administration, wants Iran to know that they did not give Israel the green light to attack or even acquiesce to an attack. They want Iran to know they are wholly against a military attack thereby potentially sparing the U.S. some of the terrorist onslaught that is sure to ensue. I can understand wishing to deflect terrorism, but at what expense!? It seems to me that this action by Panetta will turn the world that much more against Israel if they strike, and will give the U.S. the ability to say to Iran – we told them not to do it, leave us alone and concentrate your bloodthirsty anger elsewhere.

    • Herman Caintonette

      It's a reverse-Glaspie.

  • Marty

    panetta understands nothing about the history of appeasement. Neither does the rest of a morally bankrupt and cowardly American leadership. We have the spectacle of an administration that is enthusiastically willing to sacrifice loyal friends to existential enemies. The only alternative worse than an Israeli attack on iranian nuclear installations is to do nothing. The United States no longer has the respect and trust of either its allies or its adversaries. It will be difficult to regain either.

    • bearone7777

      Marty you are mtotally right. In respect to all of AMERICA the reason he was chosen is HE–(PANETTA)–Does not give a rats-anal cavity about anything, and he–(PANETTA)–Is as "UN-AMERICAN" as his stupid daughter is. That is the reason Clinton chose him to serve in his cabinet, and that is why Barackey Obammy chose him to serve in his also. Great post here also.

  • mrbean

    Put me in charge and get rid of that forner Clintonista ass kisser Panetta. I would nuke the Iranians until they glowed, shoot 'em in the dark and use their asses for runway lights when we landed and took over all the oil. As for Hezzbolla and Hamas, send out elite assassination squads to take out all the Immans and all their leadership. Massive collateral damage is acceptable. Gotta break some eggs to make an omlette. Rules of enagement. Shoot to kill first. Everything in front of you is in a kill zone.

  • crypticguise

    Israel can not allow Iran to build a nuclear weapons capability. Leon Panetta has NO PLAN to stop Iran from accomplishing this.

    God help Israel strike these madmen before they use a nuclear weapon to murder millions of Jews. It is life or death for Israel and millions of Jews. The entire World stood by as the Nazis slaughtered them. The Iranian mullahs are the IslamoNazis of the world.

    Stop them NOW before it is too late. Strike Iran!

    • joe

      KILL KILL KILL! that's how we fix everything right yeah yeah yeah strike israel strike iran strike japan strike canada strike iraq blow up everything……… be scared and go crazy..yeah yeah yeah

      • crypticguise

        Dear Joe, I don't suppose you've ever read Mein Kampf. Just guessing. I also suppose you don't believe the leaders of Iran when they say their intent is to destroy Israel. That's simply for starters.

        I don't suppose you've read much history; I am noting your comment about Japan. Here you are Joe, an ostensibly grown man and just don''t KNOW anything about anything and yet making a silly comment addressing a serious issue.

  • Sam Arisan

    Our biggest enemy is not IRAN but our own government without a question.

    • joe

      WOW someone else who gets it!

  • 080

    The purpose of a strike on Iran is to remove the regime, not its nuclear facilities. This would involve destroying the capacity of the IRGC to suppress the population. It does not involve an invasion by the armed forces. This is the last opportunity to wipe out the source of Middle East terrorism. Wait too long and the price we have to pay will sky-rocket.

  • The concerned

    Sanctions at the right place and for the right purpose will work, however we are not willing to do that. I think it is up to Israel to give ann ultematom to Iran, that if they do not give up their efforts for the bomb, Israel will nuke a small area in the middle of Iran which is a desolet desert to show that they mean what they say. and if they do not stop, the next bomb is for their oil filds.

  • Ghostwriter

    Well,for someone like Herman Caintonette,Jews,especially Jewish kids have no right to exist either as free people or exist on this planet at all. She supports those who want to murder Israelis and others simply because they exist.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Who said that? Certainly not me … but then again, lying is second-nature for people like you. I'm used to it.

      Jewish kids have the same rights in America as any other kids, and that is the way it should be. What Jews — or anyone else, for that matter — do not have a right to do is take someone else's land and declare it as their homeland. That is not anti-Semitic; it is anti-injustice. Don't take issue with me; take issue with fellow Jews:

      "The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

      The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists’ intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

      In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn’t matter. The Arabs’ opposition to Zionism wasn’t based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

      One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic."

      I find their position reasonable, and can rely on a millenium of Anglo-American law in support of it. The Jews expressing this view aren't anti-Semitic, and neither am I.

      • UCSPanther

        I just finished debunking Alison Weir on another forum, revealing her connections to neo-nazi lowlifes She has a credibility of the the square root of zero.

        Don't bother using that site. I'll just shoot it down.

        • Herman Caintonette

          Given what you regard as "debunking," my guess is that the owner of that site could argue rings around you without even trying.

  • myohmy

    Isreal should invite Panetta to move his entire family to Gaza permanently. Give him free rent forever and no security whatsoever. Once Panetta and all of his relatives including his children and grandchildren are living in Gaza let's see if he sings that same tune.

    • Herman Caintonette

      He would be. Being on the business end of oppression opens your eyes.

  • UCSPanther

    I was referring to you, moron.

  • SoCalMike

    Appeasement and Sellout

    That's what Panetta, Obama and Hillary along with the State Department parasites are doing and THERE ISN'T ONE ADULT ANYWHERE WILLING TO OPEN THEIR MOUTHS AND CONDEMN IT.
    Not one adult in the entire foreign policy establishment willing to call appeasement appeasement and sellout a sellout.
    BHO+Hillary+Panetta+DEMS in general=Appeasement+Sellout
    They just can't resist.

  • matt

    I doubt their sanity or at least rationality example F-35 vs Afghanistan, they choose Afghanistan. Usually the US could deal with such cost overruns on the F-35's, without massive cuts to other programs. Maybe they do not want to bomb Iran so we can purchase the new STOVL Persian stealth carpet.

  • matt

    I here it is good.

  • matt

    As Gates said when he left and one of the reason why he left, the times are a changing money/power he never knew a time when such constraints ever were required to be factored in. They chose Afghanistan and still believe that everything will be the same, it will not. The US cannot afford it and given time the public will no longer accept it such spending. If you want to kill the US do nothing and let the generals do to themselves. 313 ship navy with those LSC is not a 313 ship navy. On the chopping block US marines, long range bombers, F-35's, carriers, nuclear deterrent etc.

  • matt

    People of the Senate and Congress are elected by the people for the people, the state of America cannot continue and people who elect people will expect things to change, parts of the US already look like a third world hole, so regardless of the debt spending has to be moved to domestic issues. And all those leaches that sucked off the US better arm themselves people are still living in the 50's and 60's and Israel hitting Iran is just the first sign of this brave new world, other should take note. Like Australian put some Marines and then do not spend on the military, gosh I smart. Nah it means insurgency.

  • skulldiggerin

    This bespectacled cockroach is too stupid to see that at stake is the security
    and not the economy.

  • Flowerknife_us

    The White House wishes to wash its hands of this mess. Just like someone else in history did.

  • Larry

    Panetta is not qualified to be Secretary of anything. He is a political hack of Obama. He is the least qualified person in Washington. He is Secretary of Defense , that is very scary.

  • joe

    Israel is gonna get what they have been giving period.

    • Ghostwriter

      Has anyone ever told you that you're a creep and a vile anti-semite?

      • joe

        what?! OMG ha ha ha never why? does this truth hurt your feelings? i m sorry. you hate yourself and i do hope you get over that. if you hurt people today – you'll be hurt tomorrow. Israel is overdue and they know it. they are gonna get it. i dont like it anymore then you do. the whole situation is profoundly sad.

  • Libertyman

    We really shouldn’t be surprised of the Jew-haters among the left.

    They define the term Palestinian as workers from Syria, Lebanon, Jordon, Iraq and Egypt as the “true” inhabitants of Israel. They want illegal migrants in this country to have greater rights then the actual citizens in this country.
    They say they only care about the Arab. But you don’t seem them pound doors to return Christian Arab to Bethlehem or Lebanon who have had their land actually stolen.

    They say Israel stole their land. They don’t recognize the fact that land was taken because of an evil attempt of genocide. And to this day are not repentant. And since when is the land gain by Israel (the would be victim of genocide) considered stolen. Only a sociopath would think that. The Jew Hater in the last 50 years makes a mockery of commonly held ethics. Or maybe they believe that the attempted genocide of an entire people group was just a misunderstanding.

    And then Israel’s population was doubled. Why? Because Arabs actually stole Jewish land and sent them to Israel (or murdered them). Three times the current land mass that Israel controls today. Unless the Jew Haters on this board are now complaining that Muslims are really Zionists, they can’t argue with that single act in 1949 – 50; Israel belongs to the Jews, because they (the Muslims) sent them to Israel to populate it. The Arabs themselves by that act alone justifies the larger state and concedes the loss.

    Perhaps the Jew Haters would like to explain why they don’t have half the zeal for an actual theft of land.

    Perhaps the Jew Haters here would like to explain why they accept the hate propaganda they used on little Arab children that only would be the envy of Adolf Hitler. Perhaps the Jew Haters on this board embrace mass child abuse – because that is what it is. Or is that a Zionist program too.

  • gonnabee

    One reason the rest of the world hates the US is because of items like this. America has always put their nose in somebody else's business. Why can't we work on internal problems, and allow God and Netanyahu take care of Israel?

    • Libertyman

      I agree, American Jew Haters and Christian Haters should not be in the public arena.

  • bearone7777

    I am a "CHRISTIAN", but that is not going to stop me from saying what I want to say here. Leon Panetta or whatever is name is, well he is a "IDIOT", and Israel does not, nor should it listen to his stupid mouth running. Because he is the mouth piece for Barack Obama. That is the biggest reason why.

  • Howard


    The kapos in the concentration camps were Jews
    who turned on their fellow Jews, in exchange for
    special favors. Obama and his administration, have
    consistently thrown Isreal under the bus, while
    campaigning for contributions from wealthy American
    Jews. The kapos were motivated by sheer survival,
    the American Jews who support obama,
    are motivated by greed, power,
    and what's fashionable … even though they are being
    used like pawns by obama. All Jews should rally their
    support, and resources behind whoever runs against
    obama !!!

  • Jaime

    Obama wants to emulate JFK in that he held the missile crisis until one month before the congressional election in 1962. Obama would like to come out in October as the savior of the world and solve the Iranian problem without creating war. Israel was chipping Iran step by step and would have finished before October spoiling Obama's play. Panetta is just Obama's mouthpiece.

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  • Herman Caintonette

    He defamed me first.

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    Mac, thanks for the defence. However, it seems that the vile creature that is HC is becoming desperate. If we remain firm, we will eradicate it.