‘Homeland’ Beats ‘All-American Muslim’


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Several weeks ago All-American Muslim debuted on TLC to a storm of publicity and high ratings, but the publicity has vanished and the ratings are dribbling away. The series had premiered to a 1.7 rating, but last Sunday’s episode had dropped to a 1.1 rating. The television ratings for this week aren’t in yet, but the news for TLC and the producers of All-American Muslim isn’t likely to be any better.

All-American Muslim had originally finished ahead of the terrorism drama Homeland which airs in the same timeslot, but last week Homeland finished ahead of it, and not because its ratings had improved. Homeland had lost viewers, but All-American Muslim had lost even more viewers making it by far the lowest rated show on TLC Sunday nights. Worse still its 18-49 demographic had been cut in half, which put it way at the bottom of the ratings pile and that made it a bad bargain for the advertisers who stuck it out with the controversial series only to be rewarded with a Halal turkey.

Despite being fictional Homeland is in some ways a truer depiction of the All-American Muslim and of the captive American audiences who yearn to identify with Muslims, much like Nicholas Brody, the enigmatic figure at the heart of Homeland whose loss of context and identity have seduced him to the other side. All-American Muslim gives Americans the Muslims that they would like to live next door to, but Homeland shows them the Muslims that they fear living next door to. Homeland confronts this ambiguity, but All-American Muslim pretends that it doesn’t exist.

Denial is the operating mode of All-American Muslim and it is caught between its guiding mission of normalization and the reality show mechanics that aim to create drama out of thin air. This week the focus is on the coach of the Fordson football team, Fouad Zaban. Zaban had already been featured in “Fordson: Faith – Fasting – Football,” a Muslim documentary dealing with the team. The documentary covered much of the same territory as the previous episode of All-American Muslim, and this episode, “A Muslim Goes to Washington,” feeds the same culture of entitlement that centered Fordson football around the Ramadan fast.

This week Zaban heads to the Iftar dinner at the White House to chat up Keith Ellison and Obama. While the reality show mechanics require Zaban to pretend that it’s difficult for him to decide between skipping practice and going off to the White House, it’s obvious all along what he will do. Zaban and the Fordson team have been the focus of more cameras than any normal high school team in America. All that has obviously disrupted practice already, but the Fordson team’s purpose is to be a showpiece for Muslims in America. And when Zaban, the coach of a high school football team, gets an invite to head to the White House, it isn’t because of how his team plays, but because he is a Muslim.

That unspoken entitlement is the whole premise of All-American Muslim, a show full of people who are there not because they’re interesting or because they do anything interesting, but because they are Muslims. All-American Muslim is a show built not on merit, but on religious identity. And that may help explain why All-American Muslim is tanking in the ratings.

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  • Blaze Pascal

    Sounds kind of boring watching a bunch of Muslims specifically because they are completely ordinary. Does anything happen?

    • Mohammed al-Tebow

      Real Housewives of ___________. (Not that I've ever endured those shows, but that is the putative premise.)

      It would have to be more wholesome than anything involving the Kardashians.

    • ebonystone

      It might be interesting if they Moslem actions that are completely ordinary to them, but nearly unbelievable to infidels, such as: an 8 y.o. girl facing her FGM. Obviously they wouldn't show the mutilation itself, but they could have scenes of the mother telling her daughter it's time; the daughter being led into a room where her aunts and the cutting-woman await,; sounds of screams coming from the room; the daughter in pain, unable to walk for a week or more; the lies being told the school officials about her absence. They could even have alternate endings: one where the daughter heals, and returns to school, although excused permanently from gym classes; and one where she gets infected from the procedure, and dies — this would be complete with her funeral, with the imam intoning "it was Allah's will."
      [cont'd]

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Considering these are Shiites, showing Ashura would be enough

      • ebonystone

        [cont'd] Another episode could deal with a slightly older daughter, perhaps 11 or 12, being told by her parents that she is being sent back to Pakistan to marry her 52 y.o. uncle Abdrool, and then after a few months return to Dearborn with her new husband and his first two wives. Again there could be alternate endings: in one she goes along with the idea, and the show ends with her back in Dearborn, being regularly beaten by her hubby and both the other wives. In the other, she refuses, runs away to a state children's "safe house", and the officials send her back to her parents, who kill her for disobedience.
        Oh, there are lots of good stories that a show about real Moslems could present.

        • winoceros

          But wait! She'd rescued because she'd see that ad on the side of a bus telling her there's a safe place to call if she's afraid of leaving her Islamic family where she'll be protected….oh, wait….Dearborn won't put up those bus ads.

          I wonder why not?

      • winoceros

        Don't forget the bag of candy! Although in America maybe they console them with a DS.

  • jesussaves

    Where is "all american hindu"?
    How about "All American Christian"?
    What an obvious appeasement of the religion that killed 3000 Americans and continues to slaughter christians in the middle east!
    Why doesnt obama invite some christian families, or hindu or sihk to the Whitehouse?
    How about it TLC?
    I am truly sickened by what is being sold to us!
    Jesus, not allah..is Lord!
    I am not buying this b.s. and I will not submit!

    • JohnD

      WOW WHAT AN IGNORANT RESPONSE FOR SUPPOSED JESUS LOVER. THE PURPOSE OF THE SHOW IS TO SHOW THAT MUSLIMS ARE ORDINARY PEOPLE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND NOT KILLERS LIKE YOU IMAGINE. TRUE CHRISTIAN PRACTICES HIS FAITH AND ACCEPTS OTHERS FOR WHAT THEY ARE AND DOES NOT FALSELY ACCUSE PEOPLE. WHY DON'T YOU TALK ABOUT THE MUSLIMS THAT CHRISTIANS KILLED IN BOSNIA, THE MUSLIMS THEY ARE KILLING IN IRAQ,AFGANISTAN, PAKISTAN AND ALL OTHER COUNTRIES. WHY ARE THEY ONLY ATTACKING MUSLIM COUNTRIES TO SUPPOSEDLY SPREAD DEMOCRACY, WHY DON'T THEY ATTACK NORTH KOREA. ALSO FOR YOUR INFORMATION OBAMA DID INVITE HINDUS AND SIHKS AND BUDDHISTS TO THE WHITE HOUSE, AND WHY WOULD HE INVITE CHRISTIANS WHEN THE WHOLE WHITE HOUSE IS CHRISTIAN DUH…WHY ARE YOU EMBARRASSING AMERICAN PEOPLE BY SHOWING HOW IGNORANT AND UNACCEPTING THEY ARE OF OTHERS.

      • kafir

        John, shouting does you no good. many muslims ARE peaceful. No doubt about that. We're not allowed to tell the difference tho', so to protect our families, we have to assume that they are all dangerous moon god worshippers that follow the terror guide the koran. Just like not all dogs have rabies, if you can't tell if an unfamiliar dog HAS rabies, then you avoid it. It's like that with muslims. Don't hire them. Don't deal with them. Don't shop in their stores. If seen in another store, don't shop there, and be sure to let the manager know the reason why.

      • winoceros

        Muslims are indeed ordinary, and there is nothing special about them that warrants a whole tv show just to show how ordinary they are. In fact, I would be far more interested in the lives of religious Muslims, devout Muslims who actually practice what Islam teaches and how they put it into practice, then I would watching a bunch of Americans who identify as Muslims but wouldn't last ten minutes in a Muslim country.
        And I grow so, so weary of the typical Muslim response that you so unerringly present: what about Christians killing Muslims? One, they are not killing them to make Christianity the religion that would rule all the land, as is the directive for Muslims per the Qur'an. They kill Muslims for two reasons: one, they are at war, political or otherwise, and they are stronger than the Muslims, who are weak militarily, and therefore die in greater numbers than the modern forces of the West. Two, they did kill North Koreans, although I'm sure you have no idea what I'm talking about, during the Korean war, when the North Korean Communists tried to aggressively take over others' lands.

        Which brings me to my next point: Muslims have been aggressive warmongers and oppressors, as a whole, for 1400 years. The reason they are "attacked" so often, is because they are warlike and need to be put down frequently to keep them weak, so humanity has a chance to advance. The world can only bear so much Islam before it can no longer progress. I'm calling tipping point.

        And I wouldn't be so quick to claim victim status in Bosnia. Muslim atrocities are well-documented, and, as usual, the Muslim aggression and attempts at religious and political domination over the years would lead any people to the desperate drive to uproot Islam from its midst.

        Americans accept plenty of "others." What we don't appreciate is some attempt to make people more special than others because they are Muslim. There is nothing special about Muslim, any more than I find the fundamentalist Latter Day kooky cultists special (I don't mean regular Mormons, I mean the Warren Jeffs crowd.). Same thing. Nutty religious beliefs, fine, who cares. Attempt to control the actions of their population through intimidation, coersion and forcible sex? Nothing to put on a television screen in a free country, in my opinion.

        Being a Christian has nothing to do with this view.

        • No Dhimmi

          "In fact, I would be far more interested in the lives of religious Muslims, devout Muslims who actually practice what Islam teaches and how they put it into practice"

          You mean, like this?
          http://islamreality.wordpress.com/

          How about it, TLC? Want to show the REAL face of Islam? Just put a collage of THOSE videos on your lineup. I bet you'd get awesome ratings.

      • Atikva

        "Muslims are not killers" – it takes a lot of nerve to utter such a shameless lie!

        the Munich Olympics
        Achiles Lauro
        Maalot
        Lockerbie
        9/11
        Mumbai
        Beslan
        Madrid
        London
        the Fogel children, etc..

        These are but a few of your recent massacres which started 14 centuries ago.

        Whom do think you are talking to? An illiterate, blind, deaf & mute group of morons? We know, and we have had ENOUGH. You can stop your takyiah, it's useless.

        We are on to you and we will not submit – not to islam and not to any other totalitarian ideology.

        • Firewalker45

          Good job! Now go back and identify all the wars and slaughters sponsored by the Holy Catholic Church, "Christian" nations. Extremists can be found in any, if not all religions. It's just one of the characteristics of organized religion that disgusts so many. There is the good in each, but one needs to realize and remove the moat in one's own eye first in order to see others more fully. Wasn't it Jesus who said, "Love your enemies."? Pretty tough for even those who claim to be "Christians" to live up to that. Even though it is tough, it does not negate the powerful message…

          • Rifleman

            How many centuries back to find a Catholic crusade? I can find bloody islamic jihad in today's paper. Nice contrast.

          • winoceros

            You mean those crusades meant to win back the Holy Land from conquest by the Muslims 400 years earlier and to allow for free passage by sea and land of pilgrims to the Holy Land?

            You mean the Holy Land that wasn't holy unless the Jews and Christians had already considered it holy?

            Those crusades?

          • winoceros

            Why are there such simple minds in the world?

            Do you have an objection to the judgment of evil as a necessary protection of mankind?

            You can thank the Catholic Church for speaking English instead of Arabic, since Charles "The Hammer" Martel of Poland protected the West from Islamic overrun.

            Loving an enemy is not the same thing as lying down to be slaughtered or oppressed. It means wanting God's blessings for him the same as you would want for your own people.

            So what if "extremists can be found in all religions"? They didn't put five-ton "decorative" boulders in front of every entrance to The Mall of America to protect against the Baptists and the Buddhists.

            I swear your public school education is showing. Read, then read some more. Please.

          • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

            Charles Martel was French. He fought the Moors invading France in the 8th century. I assume you're confusing him with King Jan Sobeiski (sp?) of Poland who found the Ottoman Turks at the gates of Vienna in the 17th century.

            However, you are correct about the rest. Libtards make the most willing of dhimmis.

          • winoceros

            Bingo! I really should look this stuff up. Off the cuff and tired of making simple points to people who don't think.

            Either way, without the support of the church, there would be no France or Poland.

            I think I just wanted to get Poland in there.

            And we never, ever would have existed but for the efforts of those men.

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          Irgun.

          • guest

            give me a list as long as muslime atrocities pal

          • winoceros

            More lies: refutation, page 11. Even Muslim scholars in Ramallah concur.
            http://archive.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/BigLies

            Where do you get this stuff?

          • HalleysFifth

            Irgun: A military organization that fought (1931 – 1948) to protect Jews who wanted to live peacefully in their ancestral homeland.

            So, what about them? And don't repeat a bunch of lies you've collected from Jew-hating websites. I've heard them all, and they have all been debunked.

          • http://qatzelok.wordpress.com qatzelok

            European Jews were looking for an ancestral homeland on another continent? Let's hope those Sri Lankan Moors don't save enough money to "reclaim" Spain and North Africa.

          • HertmitLion

            Read some history before opening your mouth. "European Jews" did not materialize out of thin air.
            Neither did the Arabs suddenly fell out of space onto their ancestral homeland.

          • winoceros

            So….that would be the difference between a "homeland" and an "ancestral homeland," right? Otherwise it's just redundant.

            And they didn't just show up. Jews lived there continuously. Maybe you have no idea about the genocidal pogroms that had just occurred against the Jews there, and the massacres by Arabs that led to the formation of military defense organizations, prior to which the Jews had no military defenses.

            Maybe that's news.

      • myohmy

        no… the purpose of the show is to deceive fools like you into believing muslims are just like everyone else They're not. Their creed is to force islam onto everyone on earth like it or not. Their war manual called the quran, orders them to convert by any means including violence, everyone to islam and those who refuse are not respected. Those who refuse are either enslaved or killed. MUSLIMS ARE NOT LIKE US… THEY'RE MEMBERS AND FOLLOWERS OF AN EVIL POLYGAMOUS, MURDERING, BUTCHERING CULT. HOW CAN ANYONE CONSIDER ISLAM TO BE A RELIGION? God doesn't create people so they can be butchered and enslaved by others… that's not God's work. God doesn't reward killers with virgin sex slaves and paradise. Anyone who beleives that is insane.

      • Guest

        It's obvious you don't know what a real Christian is and screaming won't make your point ant more valid.

      • Lauren

        Did you forget John, about all of the christians, jews, hindus, apostates, etc. who have been killed by muslims?

        • winoceros

          Islam allows him to understand both, yet see no dichotomy nor find any cognitive dissonance in that understanding.

          That's why we Westerners are scratching our heads all the time. We think "Don't they see?" Well, yes, they do. They just don't have any problem believing both things and hiding the inconvenient one.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            And detecting inconsistency is a function of rational thinking.

      • crankywhitewoman

        JohnD: you need to educate yourself on what Islam teaches. I suggest reading the Qu’ran and Hadiths.

    • kafir

      Unfortunately, you had to SUBMIT to post your COMMENT. We should ask David to change that.
      FPMers should NEVER SUBMIT. We should POST!

      • pagegl

        Kafir, I've never paid attention to that; you are correct. Thanks for a good laugh.

        Maybe it should just say "Islam comment" to placate the those of the "religion of peace".

    • jjay

      Much of what you claim, John, can also be said about extremists in ANY religion… INCLUDING Christianity. If Jesus is your Lord, then take his teachings seriously and love your enemies; not so much the teachings of Christianity which has sanctioned the killing of hundreds of thousands of "nonbelievers" rather than following the path that Jesus so clearly laid for his "followers".

      • ec342

        jjay, you are one seriously ignorant dude.

    • non muslim

      Amen

  • Susan

    You couldn't pay me to watch this show. As a matter of fact I am Boycotting TLC and I always watch this channel. Guess I will find another channel to watch. Not that hard, there are a lot of really good shows to watch these days.

    • Asher

      Islam is loosing because people have found out they lie about their conquests. When people found out the Ground Zero Mosque represented another conquered site against Infidels, the nation went Balistic. In every nation they conquered churches were torn down and a mosque built…. They will not succeed in their deceit and Tyranny in this world or the Next!

    • non muslim

      Shame on TLC

  • mlcblog

    Thank God, it's tanking. Things like this give me hope and renew my faith in the American spirit and her people.

    • Johnd

      WHAT IS THAT SPIRIT, HATE AND IGNORANCE TOWARD OTHERS. IT IS FUNNY HOW CLOSE MINDED AMERICANS ARE BUT THEY CLAIM TO BE OPEN MINDED. SUPPOSEDLY EVERYONE IS EQUAL IN AMERICA, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MUSLIMS THIS IS NOT THE CASE. I GUESS THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME ABUSE NATIVE AMERICANS, MEXICANS, ASIANS, JEWS, BLACKS, AND OTHER MINORITIES WENT TO ACHIEVE EQUAL RIGHTS. AMERICANS NEVER SEEM TO LEARN FROM THEIR HISTORY AND ALWAYS REPEAT IT.

      • Don

        There in lies the problem native americans,mexicans,asians,jews,blacks and other minorities are races and a muslim is not it is a religion

      • G Carson

        Look Muslim man, I know John D isn't your real name, it's something like Mohamed or Ali bin-Azzar or something like that.

        Americans (and we Canadians up here!) have learned from our history. The RCMP stopped a gang of eleven Muslim terrorists who planned to blow up the CN Tower in downtown Toronto. What about the Muslims who go around killing Christians and blowing up their churches, which happens every week in the Middle East? Keep on practicing your taqqiya, liar man, because we know the real Truth and the Truth sets us free! The God of peace that surpasses all understanding will take care of all our needs.

        We are no longer ignorant of your ways, we know how you live and what you believe. We've seen your book that commands you to kill non-believers, Jews and Christians unless they submit to your nonsensical religion. Go back to the seventh century where you belong! Have you beaten your wife yet today like allah commands? Better go do it or allah will send you to Hell, right?

        Pray to the real God in Jesus name for forgiveness for your sins. Accept Jesus as your saviour and He will save you from everlasting fire and damnation, the where they hear weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth forever. People have had near-death experiences and have seen it. Come to the real God, who gives water to quench your thirst, a well rising up to everlasting Life!

        • winoceros

          It's John D. Mohammad. The Beltway Sniper.

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            Most of our monikers constitute commentary. By way of example, I am not, nor have I ever been, a Muslim. Like David Horowitz, I am an infidel.

          • winoceros

            Bully for you. My comment was tongue in cheek.

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            I figured as much — I had forgotten all about that guy. I'm responding to G Carson, who is actually proselytizing on a Jewish site. Funny that no one dinged him for that….

          • winoceros

            We are fully capable of dinging things that are contemptible.

            I'm sure you see that no one here finds it to be so.

            Also, this is not a "Jewish" site. This is a site for people who love freedom. What is your big hairy deal with Jews, anyway?

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            It's not? David Horowitz, Ben Shapiro, et al., ad nauseum? Most of the authors are Jewish neocons (IIRC, Horowitz is an atheist, though this may have changed), with the occasional contribution by Ann Coulter.

          • winoceros

            You know, I'd be so happy to see articles here written by Muslims or ex-Muslims discussing what they are going to do about the terrible murder and oppression and genocide other Muslims are doing, right now, as we speak.

            Do you know any you can invite?

            Get over your Jew-thing. Nobody here is a "neocon" or whatever anti-Semites mean by that. Probably they are conservatives who are or were Jewish.

            Imagine that…someone with a moral code writing on a conservative site. Shock.

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            Yes, they are. Compare the list of PNAC signatories to the list of FPM authors. Participants referred to themselves as "neocons." The term is not anti-Semitic, but you need desperately to paint me as one because you cannot argue with me on substance.

          • winoceros

            Still looking for substance. Your main problem seems to be that this is a "Jewish" site.

          • fmobler

            "… ad nauseum?" Do Jewish surnames sicken you?

            If you really are not an anti-semite, you might want to be more careful in what you admit the mere listing of some names does to your GI tract.

          • mlcblog

            It's their site! you can go somewhere else to read!!

        • randy

          Canada should ban all christian religions for the harm done to the natives since thier land was stolen in the name of your piece of crap god. Why did canada invade afghanistan,and how much innocent blood was spilled.

          • winoceros

            So you're in favor of banning religions? Very instructive.

            Note that is the first desire of a Muslim supremacist: to find any reason at all to politically ban speech.

            And Canada was taken for resources and for the Crown…not some "crap god."

            And because you didn't try hard enough to convince Afghans not to associate with murdering, genocidal maniacs, who were so badly misunderstanding your peaceful religion, Canadians were forced to go in there and clean out those vipers.

            As far as "innocent," I think I'll apply the same definition Muslims apply to non-Muslims as to who is "innocent."

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            Canada can't do that any more, thanks to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

          • Rifleman

            The French and Brits took and held Canada the same way those descendents of Asian immigrants took and held it, by force. Apparently that sort of thing is only bad or wrong when Europeans do it.

          • Western Canadian

            Suggest you actually study canadian history…. The crime commited against the original native canadians (or first immigrants, if you prefer), was to kill them with kindness…. welfare.

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          We had the Reformation. They haven't yet. It will come.

          My moniker is a shot at Christian bigotry. Everyone knows that if Tim Tebow were named Mohammed al-Tebow, the religious nuts would find his public displays of faith offensive.

          • winoceros

            On the contrary. Tebow is mocked on public television for his faith expressions by other NFL players. The NFL has never admonished the mockers.

            If Tebow were Muslim (assuming he ever would have gotten where he is today at all), no one would dare mock him, and if they did, they would be excoriated and out of the league so fast their goldilocks would spin.

            Your monicker is temporary, so you can move on to insult elsewhere under a different name. Then you can change your opinion as the breeze blows and never have to answer for your inconsistencies.

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            The Detroit Lions had a lot of fun with that, but most football players are Christians. The difference between Tebow and Aaron Rodgers is that he tries to lead by example, as opposed to exhortation.

            If Tebow were a Muslim, people like you would be after him with knives. Christian bigotry, on parade.

          • winoceros

            Yes, lots of fun, mocking peoples' gestures of faith. It must be excusable behavior, then, you're right. No need to be gracious or turn the other cheek or anything.

            I am not interested in the difference between Tebow and Rodgers. This is a thread about how Muslims are "ordinary," right?

            You have no basis to make the claim in your last sentence. Please support.

          • Western Canadian

            You also out of your extreme ignorance and lack of brain power, suggested that islam and christianity would join to become one…. quoting heinlen…. Given their remarkably different takes on christ, that supplies an excellent example of just how worthless your opinions are.

          • mlcblog

            Beware of "everyone knows." That is taught in Logic 101.

            Your moniker was mystery to me till you explained it and now I have a little more understanding of what you might mean.

      • jacob

        You are comparing apples to bananas…
        Yes, they are both fruits but of different nature and ISLAM IS TOTALLY AND
        ABSOLUTELY INCOMPATIBLE WITH OUR STANDARDS and no matter
        how do you want to twist your rethoric, you won't be able to erase from the
        minds of us "INFIDELS" what ISLAM's "Holy" books to which Muslims MUST
        abide by verbatum or else….orders Muslims to deal with us "INFIDELS"…

        Therefore, TURNER is wasting his time trying to feed us this crap about
        Muslims because as YOSHIRO SAGAMORI once stated in the JERUSALEM
        POST ….
        "EVERY PRACTICING MUSLIM IS A TERRORIST….
        IT IS WHAT HAS BEEN HAMMERED INTO HIS HEAD FROM CRADDLE TO
        GRAVE AND IT IS WHAT HIS "RELIGION" EXPECTS FROM HIM" …
        But if you feel you can preach to me about "MODERATE" Muslims, were
        "EXTREMISTS" al those dancing and giving out candy in the streets of
        QUEENS on 9/11 while people were jumping to their deaths from the
        WTC ?????????????

      • winoceros

        What abuse, specifically, are they enduring?

        I have a wide-open mind. I learn extensively about how Muslims carry out the directives of their faith, both devoutly and cursorily. I find Islam repulsive as an ideology and have no idea why any woman would submit to one minute of its rule of her personhood.

        Anybody that comes into my kids' elementary school and whines about the pork on the lunch menu, so much so that the school feels that it must cave and only have any pork product on the menu twice a month (!) when it is a flavorful and inexpensive protein, is not just practicing their religion…they are imposing it on others. I went to high school in South Florida. Never would it occur to my Jewish friends to try to coerce the district into making the menu more kosher. A suggestion or letter is one thing. Political pressure is quite another.

        Muslims must integrate into America by discarding much of what Islam wants them to do. Of course, Islam does not allow for these choices, and so the problem is not America's, as your victim-brain is conditioned to think, but American Muslims'…don't you agree?

      • Atikva

        Put a lid on it, John. That tactic doesn't work anymore. As Col. Allan West said: "Don't blow sunshine out of my ass", and wrote: "NUTS".

      • guest

        go live in an islamic nation for a few months – then get back to us jonney

    • lisa

      Why thank God. You can't handle truth. That we here in dearborn, michigan are a boring and american as apple pie whether you are ignorant which you are or not.

      • mlcblog

        Your comment is not even in coherent English. Go ahead and take over but it will not be the same thing you desired because you will not submit to the way of life that has produced economic and personal liberty and prosperity.

        I have to laugh at people from all other countries who come to America to partake in her dream and then they get here and want to tell us how to run things — like the cesspool they came from? and all that without learning the language.

        Ignorant and sad. Costly to all of us. Thank God because he is the boss of this nation and way of life. The God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob and the one who gave us Jesus, not some little guy who was started in the mud and exalted himself against God and disrespects Jesus though he says he does not.

    • Roy

      I do agree with you this does renew my faith!

  • Don

    I would love nothing more then to believe they are harmless but everything they say is their belief sounds so close to mine except it's not and my bible says to watch out for that and even shows me how it happend before, they even show that Jesus was against sharia law "let him who is without sin cast the first stone" and if you read into the matter they don't believe that his sacrifice changed anything and just the fact that they "have to" pray 5 times a day leeds into "works of the flesh" which says that if they don't they are not good enough says that they don't believe Jesus was enough and that is the direct opposite of what I know is true

    • G Carson

      They believe Jesus was only a man, a good prophet, and not the divine Son of God.

      • American Thinker

        So do Jews, but we don't want to force others to convert, submit and conform.

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          This is one of the most laudable aspects of Judaism: Jews don't proselytize.

          • winoceros

            I'll bet you like that part.

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            I do. Hinayama Buddhism is the same way.

          • winoceros

            Ok. I'll watch for you on the Hinayama Buddhism thread. Bye!

          • Rifleman

            Proselytizing isn't using force. Huge difference.

            The Jehovah's Witnesses try to convert me to their denomination on a regular basis, but it's no skin off my back to say no thanks, see yall again next week for another witnessing and religious discussion. They annoy some people, but I admire their moral courage and devotion in spreading the word.

      • winoceros

        Worse, he is a good prophet only so far as he is described in the Qur'an, not the Bible. In the Qur'an, Mohammed predicts what will (did?) happen when Isa is confronted by Allah so as to make a specific case against Christians:

        "And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.

        Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things. " Qur'an 5:116-117

        Isa as a device in the Quran exists specifically to denounce Christianity. Isa has no other Islamic purpose. The miracles or good he does is already outlined in the Bible (healing the lepers, etc.) and since his appearance and narrative is so obscenely truncated in the Qur'an, Muslims can easily and in good faith say that He was a good man and a worthy prophet and have no quibble with Christians generally on his conduct or worth.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      They believe that Jesus will return, break the cross and dispose of Christians.

      • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        Correct.

    • lisa

      Please become educated on Muslims and realize 99% of us are boring, hardworking people. We do not do anything. And educate yourself on Islam so you don't make ignorant comments about a religion you don't understand. I am Muslim!!! I am boring. I do nothing. I work. I take care of my kids. I read the Quran. We are very ordinary here in Dearborn, Michigan we are not trying to convert everyone (Muhammed said not to)

  • jacob

    JOHND :

    Just one question :

    If not all Muslims are extremists, would you undertake the responsability of sorting
    them out ??????

    • lisa

      Just like not all Christians bomb abortion clinics. There are higher than 1.5 billion and in some views up to 1.8 billion Muslims. A very small percentage engage in terrorism. Just like a very small percentage of christians engage in crime or bombing buildings or anti-government movements.

    • mlcblog

      That is God's job. Wheat/ chaff. Some blows to the winds.

      • Jim_C

        How delightfully…religious of you.

        • mlcblog

          I can't tell if you are being drippingly sarcastic here.

          For me, it is not about religiosity. It is about a relationship with a loving God. He handles lots of things that are thorny, not our job, and I am glad about that. The issue of judgment against/upon our fellow man is very thorny. Some of even have to attend support groups to sort it all out. Who are we going to keep on our social list and who are we going to throw in jail? issues like that deserve full consideration and I think are best managed with the input of our spiritual nature.

          • Jim_C

            I read your comment as referring to killing a bunch a Muslims and letting God sort out who deserved to be killed and who didn't. Perhaps that was not your intention (if so please accept apologies); but it's one I've heard it expressed on this site one too many times–calling for death in the name of God,exactly like the Islamists.

          • mlcblog

            No, no! Not at all. I am sorry I don't communicate well sometimes, in too much of a hurry at times, not thinking things through all the way, and for that I apologize.

            I am thinking we are allowed to like/dislike someone's behavior, as in disdain or hatred for the way Islamic terrorists think (more precisely their behavior as a result of their thought patterns), or the way those complicit with them do not speak out, but it is not our job to judge someone's worth, as we are all loved by God, even when we are blowing it. This is my philosophy. I hope this is clearer.

          • Jim_C

            Absolutely, and well put.

  • 1minuteman

    they made american muslim to fool america into going back to sleep while creeping sharia gets closer and closer.

    • lisa

      Sharia is just the 10 commandments except way more expanded for Muslims. It is nothing interesting and its insane to think they are trying to take over…just fear mongering if you think that. Are the 10 commandments something to be scared of if they took over a Muslim country of course not!!! Muslims believe in those too!!!

      • mlcblog

        Untrue.

  • StephenD

    The entire concept of Islam is submission to and through a system designed to control every aspect of your life. This is anathema to Americans and every other Western style democracy. We choose Personal Liberty and Individual Responsibility instead.

    JohnD, your premise is misguided. You attempt to lambaste folks for not being "open minded” or harboring “Hate and Ignorance” when the truth is YOU are the ignorant one.

    You must first realize not all cultures are equal. We would not “accept others for what they are” if what they are includes pedophilia, Murder of innocents, the instilment of thinking they are superior to every other people on earth. So, no, we would not accept them for what they are. In fact, clear thinking Americans vociferously REJECT them BECAUSE of what they are.

    • samantha

      Love this post, yet I would rephrase the last line: Clear thinking Americans vociferously reject Islam because of what the Koran and the hadith teaches one to do. Their religious leaders have a responsibility to pursue "clear thinking". Sadly, we see the cult mindset preventing very many of doing that.

    • JoeThePimpernel

      "The entire concept of Islam is submission to and through a system designed to control every aspect of your life."

      Sort of like the federal government.

    • Mohammed al-Tebow

      Actually, Christianity demands submission to and through a system designed to control every aspect of your life. Americans have long abandoned that nonsense, even though we are nominally a Christian nation.

      • winoceros

        Sigh…semantics.

        What happens when a Christian apostasizes, Mohammed?

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          Dhimmitude.

          • winoceros

            Nothing. The answer is nothing. Dhimmitude is what happens to non-Muslims in Muslim-dominated areas.

            What happens when an "ordinary" Muslim, like the ones in the show, apostatize, Mohammed?

          • Rifleman

            I can't find dhimmitude in my King James version, where is it?

          • winoceros

            Between Job and Balderdash.

          • Western Canadian

            I think we may have hc, antisemitic loon that he is, playing sock-puppet again…..

          • winoceros

            Whose hc?

      • Western Canadian

        Gee, now what jew hating, christian bashing loon did we have offering up the same low grade swill over the last couple of weeks???

    • lisa

      You are completely ignorant.
      The center of the Quran is all about personal responsiibility is says it like a million times. And Prophet Muhamed says let there be no compulsion in religion. To try to convert other people or force our religion on others is a huge sin. And personal liberty is emphasized throughout the Quran with talking about Muhammed living besides Christians and Jews in Medina in peace and how all Muslims are supposed to live like that. I feel sorry for your utter ignorance. A small amount of stupid people do stupid things in my religion it does not make us all monsters. Oh yeah Christians according to my church are supposed to accept and respect people of other faiths. Your violating your own religion being a hypocrite.

      • Vinny

        lisa you need to reread your koran, you eveidently have noclue what you have read. because what you have posted here are verses that have been aborgated by mo (piss be upon him). he murdered the jews at medina when he finaly was able to raise a big enough army

  • Chris

    If you are a Muslim, you are guided in your life by the Koran, just as Christians are guided by the Holy Bible. Read the Koran. They are guided to lie, trick and harm and even kill "infidels" which includes any and all Christians. How then can they be peaceful neighbors and regular folks? Answer: they're not. They are vicious, unprincipled violators of every human virtue, and especially every AMERICAN virtue. I am so happy that Americans have seen what they really are and will not be taken in by this. I am boycotting not only TLC, but every sponsor for this program.

    • winoceros

      Most Muslims either have not read or come to grips with what is written in the Qur'an and explained in the Sunnah. Like most of us, they absorb the parts of the religion that work for them and kind of discard, quietly, the rest, or pay it no mind.

      The difference is, that a Christian would say (I'm generalizing) Why, we don't think witches should be stoned or homosexuals should be put to death…that was Mosaic Law and Christ has made a new covenant with man.

      Jews no longer would implement such a thing either, finding ways to justify not doing it, because they also believe in human rights, as do Christians.

      But they would have no problem saying that those instructions are not right for our time, that God wants something else for the elevation of our spirituality.

      A Muslim is trained (some are brave) to proclaim the entire catechism sacrosanct. They may or may not practice stoning adulterers in their particular societies, but they would never, ever say that the verses are no longer relevant. They are allowed special cognitive dualism, by which they can do both things and find no conflict. They need not practice Islam as intended ("not yet the right time/caliphate" argument) and, at the same time, they must defend all of it, to the letter, as it is perfect.

    • jjay

      You apparently have not read the entire "Holy Bible" to see the wholesale slaughter it promotes. Take a look at Jesus' teachings – not those of "Christians" and decide if you are following his challenge to 'love your enemies".

      • winoceros

        You apparently don't understand the Bible enough to see that it doesn't "promote" wholesale slaughter. It recounts slaughter.

        Nowhere later in the Bible though do you see Jews and Christians lauding the event or attempting to imitate it over and over. Rather, it is mournful for ultimate justice to be done on societies where wickedness and evil replaced following God's law. Nobody is thrilled with the Great Flood, either, but it was done for the same reason.

        That has nothing to do with loving mankind. It has everything to do with recognizing evil when one sees it so it can be fought. Christians would love even you, and block your every move to deprive them of their freedom to worship.

        Where is this "promotion" you speak of, and where are Christians taking up this banner of "promotion"?

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          win: You apparently don't understand the Bible enough to see that it doesn't "promote" wholesale slaughter.

          Your god not only promotes genocide, but orders it. Jos. 6.

          • winoceros

            "It recounts slaughter.

            Nowhere later in the Bible though do you see Jews and Christians lauding the event or attempting to imitate it over and over."

            I see you chose to ignore that part, and the majority of the post.

            It's amazing to me the amount of vitriol free non-Christian Americans heap on Christians (though I'm not particularly religious myself) as if they are as contemptible as those who continue to murder in the name of promoting their "god."

            Again, nowhere is that happening in the West, other than by Muslims, so what is your beef with Christians and Jews?

          • Western Canadian

            Sock puppet attack!!!!

          • winoceros

            And weak, at that.

            It's still good training for others who encounter this kind of tripe in their schools, workplace, other conversation forums, etc. who can learn that this kind of thing is as easily pulled apart as monkey bread.

      • Rifleman

        If an enemy is using or attempting to use deadly force against me or mine, I can love 'em and kill 'em at the same time.

        • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

          Or love to kill them? LOL

      • katie

        I think it is YOU that have not read your Bible. Love your enemies does not mean embrace and except their evil ways. If I do nothing, if I allow them to spread their evil teachings then I am allowing evil to perpetuate. Paul made this very clear in his letters to the Corinthians. A little yeast goes a long way. In other words, a little evil will spread through out and destroy what is good.

    • Asher

      Thats the misconception….Jihad is not Holy….Its Tyranical War against Christians and Jews…..Its persecution.

    • lisa

      It does not say that. It is very similar to the bible and only crazy illiterate people who are rewriting the Quran can say that. Read the whole Quran I dare you (not trying to convert you) find anything, anything that says that that is not taken out of contexts. The original Muslims were threatened to be killed in Mecca for not worshipping idols and it says kill the infidels who were trying to kill them at that place and time and were killing them.
      Take things out of context and it proves how wrong it is. And what a bigot you are. Christianity is a beautiful religion and I love Christians and it is a sin to be a bigot in Islam just as much as it is in Christianity.

  • cheese_burger

    "WOW WHAT AN IGNORANT RESPONSE FOR SUPPOSED JESUS LOVER. THE PURPOSE OF THE SHOW IS TO SHOW THAT MUSLIMS ARE ORDINARY PEOPLE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND NOT KILLERS LIKE YOU IMAGINE."

    Heh! But Muslims aren't 'ordinary people' at all, and I suspect that you already know this, and are a Muslim yourself, just spewing taqiyya… the Great Islamic Lie. Unfortunately for you, though, genuine Human Beings are becoming informed as to the ugly, deceitful, violent, supremacist ways of Islam, and an increasingly exponential rate. People who utterly despise Muslims, because of their vile habits, like mufa'Khathat… you know… like the Islamic ritual of sexually molesting babies, infants, little girls, by Islamic Monsters, and then forcing them to marry their rapists as soon as they turn six years of age… are now running out and buying Korans, and studying Sira and Hadith, so that they can see in print, the True Ugliness of Islam for themselves. Yeah, we non-Muslims know all about how Muslims inbreed, marring their first cousins, and worse… having sex with all the females in their family, because the Koran says 'your women are your tillth, so plow them as you please.'.

    Muslims deserve to be hated, and killed. Why? What does it say in the Koran???

    Suck on this, Mooze:

    KORAN commands to kill infidels:

    Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. – Sura 2:98

    On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. – Sura 2:161

    Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. – 2:191

    Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. – Sura 2:193 and 8:39

    Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. – 2:216
    (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

    ….. martyrs…. Enter heaven – Surah 3:140-43

    • winoceros

      I absolutely reject and do not agree with your statement that Muslims deserve to be hated and killed.

      Surely a rejection of their ideology is sufficient?

      • cheese_burger

        If the Mooze was raping your six year old daughter, as is it's Divine Right, according to it's perverted belief system, would you choose only to discuss the ideological pro's and con's of rape and pedophilia, or would you kill the Monster?

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          This, of course, justifies the firing of rockets into Israel from Gaza. Sure you want to go there?

          • winoceros

            What rape of children by Israelis can you point to?

            Because I can find several pictures and news reports of "Palestinian" Muslim men lined up with 7-11 year-old "brides."

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            …a practice which was common in that area for 3,000 years.

          • winoceros

            Um, ok. So even with a Universal Declaration of Human Rights readily available and written on something other than goatskins we still have to find the moral equivalence in child rape?

            You sure you're not a Muslim?

            What about those Israeli rapes you were going to point out? Because that's been the practice in that "area" for 3000 years.

          • cheese_burger

            winoceros:
            Because I can find several pictures and news reports of "Palestinian" Muslim men lined up with 7-11 year-old "brides."

            Mohammed al-Tebow:
            …a practice which was common in that area for 3,000 years.

            Mohammad is, according to Islam, the 'Perfect Man', to be emulated by all other men. Mohammad was a Pedophile.

            This is why most Muslims are Pedophiles… they are emulating their Evil Master.

            Those Muslims who DO NOT practice Pedophilia, and reject this sick, deviant practice, spit in Mohammad's Face, and cannot rightly be Muslims at all, but rather, they are Blasphemers… they have turned away from their Evil Master.

          • fascist islam

            Do you mean like Mohamed and his companions?

            Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

            "We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter" (Sahih Muslim 3371)

          • Western Canadian

            Hey, hc, your stupid play on names, combined with your ignorance of scripture, hatred of jews, combined with your pathetic habit of turning logic on its head, tends to blow your cover.

          • pagegl

            So, defending self or family or friends justifies another attack? Given what appears to be your logic, people should just roll over and die when attacked. Sorry bucko, ain't gonna happen in or near my household.

        • winoceros

          cheese_burger, I can appreciate a crime and what to do if I see one.

          I cannot stand by and watch you, without the qualification you provide here, claim that Muslims are to be killed. That is not ok.

          • Lauren

            the muslims already want non-muslims dead. it goes both ways

          • winoceros

            Sorry, I can't stand by a genocidal comment.

            I would volunteer for war if I could, but I cannot countenance a blank statement of condemnation of death for no reason.

    • MRobs

      Couldn't agree with you more. Send the muslims back to their third world cesspools from whence they came.

      • randy

        And all the crap christians should get out of north america

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          Australia got all of Britain's petty thieves; America got all of her religious nuts.

          Australia obviously had first choice.

          • winoceros

            Do America's "religious nuts" pose a physical or liberty threat to you?

            Looking for specifics to support your ridicule.

          • Mohammed al-Tebow

            They already have. Nonetheless, I will not disclose matters of a personal nature on a blog like this.

          • winoceros

            How convenient. I wasn't talking about you personally.

            Where is the large problem you seem to think exists?

          • Western Canadian

            Again, your hatred is quite extreme, as is your ignorance. And your false claim of failing to disclose personal matters (whileattempting to pretend your hatred is based on personal abuse), is pathetic. You disclose your ignorance, bigotry, and lack of education on an ongoing basis.

        • winoceros

          Yes, let's rid all lands of civilization. Since you fail to see any good done by Christians on behalf of oppressed peoples, I can only take your comment for the unthinking throwaway line it appears to be.

          Do you have any, um, thoughts, on whether the inclusion of terrorist sympathizers such as Keith Ellison and the local imam are supposed to help us enjoy the presence of "ordinary" Muslims among us?

    • Mohammed al-Tebow

      "Suffer not a witch to live." — Exod. 22:18

      "V'ish asher yishkav et zachar mishk'vei ishah to'evah asu shneihem mot yumatu d'meihem bam (If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.)" — Lev. 20:13

      "They devoted the city to the LORD and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it–men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." Jos. 6:21, the Israelites' most notable Nazi impression.

      Do Jews deserve to be hated and killed, on account of their bloodthirsty god's decrees? If not, then neither should Muslims.

      • cheese_burger

        The Jews, and ALL other belief systems, except Islam, choose to NOT ACT on the more lunatic scriptural references. Muslims, on the other hand, ACT, on a daily basis, on ONLY the most vile and perverted of their scriptures, and totally ignore, ALL of the abrogated texts, which are abrogated precisely BECAUSE they are not vile and demented ENOUGH, to satisfy the average Muslim's perverted and violent desires.

        It goes without saying, that this only applies to male Muslims… the women are considered by Islam, to be nothing better than cattle and sexual favours, with defective minds, who exist as terrorized victims of Stockholm Syndrome, at best.

        Save your lying taqiyya for the suckers.

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          "Christianity makes a mockery of God. At the same time that Christians claim to worship God as an omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent being, they make him out to be incompetent bumbler. Or worse. Simple forgiveness is beyond his capacities. God must "sacrifice himself to himself to change a rule he made himself!"

          This is not only an absurdity, it is an essential absurdity. It is present in almost almost all forms of Christianity, and one can scarcely remove it and remain a Christian in anything but name. By definition, all Christians worship Christ – in some form – and most worship him as a saviour.

          But what, exactly, is he saving us from? Though it varies from church to church, no matter what they call it, it's God himself. A hell created by God, a world fallen as a result of God's negligence, a separation from God imposed… by God.

          Christianity certainly isn't the first religion to promote appeasement of its gods, and if it were merely another supernatural protection racket, it would be bad enough. Unfortunately, it doesn't stop there. Christians elevate appeasement to the realm of "personal relationship", transforming their religion into a true monstrosity.

          This is the type of "relationship" that abused wives have with their husbands, that brainwashed hostages have with their captors. It is known in clinical circles as Stockholm Syndrome. Should it come as any surprise that the cries of the church, "The Bride of Christ" sound much like the cries of an abused wife attempting to protect her husband?

          "He must beat me."
          "I deserve it."
          "He has no choice."
          "It's for my own good."

          These excuses don't work for human abusers, and they work even less well for God. For if God is omnipotent, he must have a choice. And if we are flawed, we are only flawed because that is the way he made us. (No excuses that we ruined his perfect creation. A truly perfect creation does not self-destruct.)"
          http://www.gaydeceiver.com/religion/ (from one of my heathen friends; the "gaydeceiver" is in homage to Heinlein)

          And you wonder why the Jews around here don't embrace your psychotic god?

          • winoceros

            Sweetie, no one is interested in your atheist rantings.

            We are discussing ordinary Muslims. Or the topic of "Homeland," which I have not seen.

            When you hear about attacks on the U.S. by those already in the U.S., do you think it's anyone other than Muslims first, in the absence of other info?

          • Breezy

            As an atheist, myself, Mohammed al-Tebow is one of those proselytizing atheists. It's his hell-bent intention to denigrate christian and jewish beliefs. Personally, I'm far more comfortable with your beliefs than the mohamedans.

          • winoceros

            I don't have problems with atheists generally, just the devout ones ;)

            I don't find atheism entirely rational, but I still find religion simply a matter of faith. So it's easy to talk to people since I don't have to "prove" what I may or may not believe. It doesn't mean I don't have principles, as do you. It's just that…well…if I were as crazy as MAT I'd be on medication.

          • breezy

            In reality, he seems just as fanatical as islamists(true islam).

      • winoceros

        No, because they reject those punishments now, as I pointed out already.

        I'm sure that's not why you hate Jews, though.

        Do Muslims reject the Qur'an's and Sunnah's teachings on these matters?

        • Mohammed al-Tebow

          You're the one who hates those Christ-killing Jews.

          • winoceros

            Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner.

          • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

            Indeed.

      • Western Canadian

        Hey, herman, pity you didn’t check what the term ‘witch’ meant in that time…. Not a harmless old crone with love potions. You ignorant ass.

    • Asher

      We have seen one honor killing after another for as little as the daughter or son of Radicals dating an infidel, or wearing makeup. To behead your child for freedom to live life by their own choices is absolutely Demonic.

  • BS77

    Just remember…..most of what you see on TV is garbage…..just think Jerry Springer, soap operas, endlessly repeated horrible commercials, idiotic canned laughter "comedies"…and menial news programs……chopped up and edited movies…..it's pretty bad!

    • Mohammed al-Tebow

      The Discovery, History, and Learning Channels, along with NOVA, pretty much covers the waterfront with respect to useful TV. Fox makes Pravda look respectable by comparison.

      • Steeloak

        Seems little Hermie finally realized he wore out his welcome. Now he's changed his name to try & fool us.
        To paraphrase Shakespeare "What's in a name? That which we call excrement by any other name would stink as fouly"

    • Ghostwriter

      Actually,I'd choose the commercials,comedies and news programs over "All-American Muslim." It's not a very good show.

  • Mohammed al-Tebow

    A 1.1 is actually pretty respectable; Bill Maher gets about half of that.

    • BS77

      Bill Maher is a skank……why bother arguing with you?

  • MsgtDubb

    The left wing would call me an islamiphobe. So be it. I can't think of any reason not to fear any entity that declares that I and my offspring should be blown up or beheaded. All I say is, BRING FRIENDS! I say to all freedom loving Americans. ARM YOURSELVES!

    • lisa

      It does not say that. I am Muslim been all over the middle east. I speak arabic. I read the Quran. It just says kill the people who were trying to kill them in Mecca 1400 years ago for them not worshipping idols. Maybe some crazy Muslims who are retarded, insane or illiterate said that but they are crazy…It actually says never attack someone ever until you are attacked first. Never. Big sin. So to do anything to people of other religions besides respect them which Muhammed did throughout his life is a super big sin. We also look to Jesus who is a prophet for us and follow his teachings as well. Good Muslims have bibles in their home and believe most of it in fact.
      Please no disrespect but get educated on different religions before you say anything like that.

  • Choi

    "All-American Muslim" is a PROPAGANDA/TAQIAH attempt to not only DECEIVE the American People re:Muslims but to WHITEWASH Dearborn, Michigan,the Jihadist American Base Camp,and only a short ride to ANOTHER country,Canada.
    Dearborn is the (All)American CAPITOL of HATRED,historically.
    From Jew-Hating Henry Ford &his screed,"the Dearborn Independent",to today's Hizbollah "supporters" who celebrated on 9/11 ,Dearborn is NOT the "All American City".

    "Homeland" on the other hand, illustrates how the Jihadi Enemy operates and the THREATS we face.

    • Asher

      Islam had better be ready for what they have awakened….People all over the country are armed and dangerous and women have went to shooting schools and have been trained in Target practice!

  • http://frontpagemag.com Tracie

    The definition of 'Infidel' is…'someone who doesn't believe the way you believe.' Guess WHAT?!!! THAT makes Muslims the infidels in OUR country…and they CAN'T be a peaceful people, THEIR religion(cult) won't allow them to be. In Islam, you either convert or die!!

  • Mohammed al-Tebow

    cheese: "People who utterly despise Muslims, because of their vile habits, like mufa'Khathat… you know… like the Islamic ritual of sexually molesting babies, infants, little girls, by Islamic Monsters, and then forcing them to marry their rapists as soon as they turn six years of age… are now running out and buying Korans, and studying Sira and Hadith, so that they can see in print, the True Ugliness of Islam for themselves. Yeah, we non-Muslims know all about how Muslims inbreed, marring their first cousins, and worse… having sex with all the females in their family, because the Koran says 'your women are your tillth, so plow them as you please.'

    PEDOPHILIA: THE TALMUD'S DIRTY SECRET, http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/pedophiliasecr

    Funny how proponents of other religions always seem to defame the competition….

    • winoceros

      Please list all the Jewish pedophiles that have been convicted in the last 50 years. Then list the ones who said they did it because Judaism said it was okay for them to do so.

      Just….ish.

    • Western Canadian

      Again, you drag in a hate-the-jews site, to back up your own ingnorance…. The talmud does NOT sanction any form of child abuse, sexual or otherwise.

    • JoJoJams

      And do you also realize that a lot of the passages like that were DEBATES showing different sides of an argument and commentaries regarding their holy book? And you take parts of those arguments out of context, ignoring the negation by the rest of the arguments, to "prove" a bigotted, ignorant point. Whereas in islam, Mohammed actually DID marry Aisha when she was 6, and consummated that marriage when she was 9. Big difference – not that it would make any difference to someone as ignorant and bigotted as you. I do pity you. Truly.

  • Mohammed al-Tebow

    Chris: Read the Koran. They are guided to lie, trick and harm and even kill "infidels" which includes any and all Christians.

    Whereas Christians lie, trick and harm and even kill "infidels" (e.g., the Mystic Massacre) — because it is what they do naturally.

    • StephenD

      You sound like a little kid that has been caught doing something wrong "Well, why don't you say something to Michael? He did it too"
      You rationale says two wrongs make a right. Look up the word Dolt.

      • Mohammed al-Tebow

        One who lives in a glass house should not be in the habit of throwing stones. See John 8:7.

        • winoceros

          Your arguments are sophistic and logical fallacies.

          Your bigotry is just astounding.

          • Western Canadian

            Excellent summary, accurate and to the point. And he used to call himself herman…

          • Western Canadian

            You got him dude. Herman the hater is back. Same vicious quotes from the same hate sites, same windbaggery, same weak mind.

    • Rastus

      Show me in the New Testament where it allows Christians to do what you say. Christians are SUPPOSED to live by the Ten Commandments, and see if you can fault one of the Commandments as being evil. Unlike you muslims, who treat women as second class citizens, are allowed to lie, and are allowed to marry 6 year old girls, following in your footsteps of your profit mohamed, who married a 6 year old girl and consummated the marriage at 9. mohamed led armies and killed thousands, how many people did Jesus kill" Truly, you are a peanut.

      Salami to you.

  • HermitLion

    I heard cavemen also killed each other about 10,000 years ago, so it's perfectly fine for muslims to do it today. Another winning argument from the house of Taqiyya.

  • hellosnackbar

    Any American who supports Islam(a submission death cult mqsqueradong as a religion) is
    In reality refuting the founding father's secular constitution.
    If one believes in the tenets of Islam; then one is ergo guilty of treason with respect to the
    constitution.
    And don't fall for any Islamophobia nonsense!
    Liberty if it means anything is the right to tell others that which they may not want to hear!

  • HermitLion

    As long as this show keeps losing rating at such a phenomenal rate, I'm all for it.

  • No Dhimmi

    I knew all I needed to know about that show when I saw the trailers, in which a headbagged Muslim woman speaks derogatorily of non-Muslims, whom she's going to go straighten out with a good talking to. The stupid, mindlessly bigoted dhimmis needed a shaking by the scruff of the neck.

    What unmitigated arrogance. It's always about THEM. They are extremely insecure, because they know that their cult/ure is inferior, so they constantly have to get into everyone's faces, puffing themselves up as if they are better than everyone else. They remind me of children always acting up to get attention – very infantile and imbecilic, frankly.

    Muslims, it's YOU who are causing people to dislike you and your sexist religion. No one else is to blame. Time to grow up now and stop with the conceit and arrogance. You are most assuredly NOT better than everyone else. On the contrary, the ideology you follows is far inferior to most.

  • Mohammed al-Tebow

    winoceros: Which brings me to my next point: Muslims have been aggressive warmongers and oppressors, as a whole, for 1400 years..

    As have Christians. Ask the Aztecs, the Tasmanian aboriginals, and the Pequot Tribe. Uh, you can't, thanks to Christian acts of genocide.

    • ec342

      Your argument is completely flawed. Muslims are the only people who kill in the name of, and for the glory of their god, and believe the killing to be sanctioned by their god and their book. The instances you point out are of men, who may have been "Christians" in name, but who behaved OUTSIDE the teachings of the Holy Bible.

      • winoceros

        He really isn't capable of argument, I've discovered. It's astounding.

        • breezy

          Perhaps, Mohammed al-Tebow, you could ask those that you mentioned, what tribe they conquered to ascend to top dog.

    • pagegl

      All the examples you give have less to do with religion than they do attempts to gain wealth through trade or acquisition of resources. Your statement also implies the mentioned victims of colonization are extinct. If so, it's incorrect, do a little research.

    • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      Actually, you can ask Aztecs and Tasmanian Abos since they still exist.

    • Charles

      Yea like how many slaves out of Africa did you sell around the world and still too this day have? Anyone who preaches hate to children isn't worthy of anything but distain. You all want eveyone to live like in the 11th Century but,but, I need to keep my AK-47,RPG, Cell Phone and Mercedes Benz. Whats wrong with the Camel? You hate infidels, yet love their Technology. Your history/culture couldn't come up with an independent thought if you went to the toilet and took a Crap!

      • winoceros

        Oh, he's not a Muslim. He just argues like one.

    • tim

      You mean catholics don't you? Not Christians.

  • Mohammed al-Tebow

    G Carson: Pray to the real God in Jesus name for forgiveness for your sins. Accept Jesus as your saviour and He will save you from everlasting fire and damnation, the where they hear weeping and wailing and the gnashing of teeth forever. People have had near-death experiences and have seen it.

    I am surprised that this kind of rubbish is countenanced on a Jewish site.

    • winoceros

      Interesting….second time you've posted this very same thing.

      I think it's hurting your feelings.

  • Mohammed al-Tebow

    winoceros: Most Muslims either have not read or come to grips with what is written in the Qur'an and explained in the Sunnah. Like most of us, they absorb the parts of the religion that work for them and kind of discard, quietly, the rest, or pay it no mind. .

    This is why most Muslims — and virtually all American Muslims — are no more of a problem than their Christian counterparts. Yes, Muslims do have their Fred Phelpses….

    • fascist islam

      Mohamed was far worse than Fred Phelps. Mohamed actually invaded, raped, and enslaved. And commanded all Muslims to do the same!

      Mohamed was far worse than Fred Phelps. Mohamed actually invaded, raped, and enslaved. And commanded all Muslims to do the same!

      Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

    • winoceros

      Who said most Muslims are a problem?

      It is Muslims who have a problem with the West, not the other way around. It is Islam that is to be despised.

  • Lauren

    The militant muslim is the one cutting the head of the "infidel" while the moderate muslim holds the victims feet

    • ec342

      Lauren, Good one! I might borrow that one from you. Thanks!

    • Daniel Greenfield

      That's a keeper

    • Lauren

      It's actually a quote from Dr M. Sabieski, professor of philosophy. I agreed with it so much, I decided to post it here

  • Yusuf Al-Kafir

    I'm watching this show, but it's not easy.
    It takes two hours to get through one 44 minute episode. (Discussion, critique, and so on..)

    The half-truths, flat out lies, etc.

    If there is a consolation prize for Americans, may it be this: at least All-American Muslim is privately funded.

    Not like, say Little Mosque on The Prairie, which is subsidized through Canadian tax credits.

    So, AAM will disappear after one season because it's not profitable, while LMOTP has lasted seven seasons, because it doesn't have to worry about being profitable.
    D'oh Canada!

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Do you know Islam…asks the advertisement at the center of this page. Wow…what is FPM doing promoting Islam and a site that encourages its readers to convert to Islam?

    Indeed, some of the topics explored via that advertising link are: Why Islam?, Testimonies of new converted…, Islam vs. Other religions (and never mind the fact that Islam is not really a true religion), (Mohammad), Why I should become a Muslim?, Misconceptions of Islam?, How to become a Muslim?, The Creator, Islamic foundations, and Islam.

  • mfhorn

    Most Muslims are NOT terrorists. But I'd be willing to bet that most terrorists ARE Muslims.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Most Muslims are NOT terrorists. But I'd be willing to bet that most terrorists ARE Muslims.

      Now quite. Actually, all Muslims are not terrorists as terrorism in Islamic society is un-Islamic and therefore blasphemous. Now the last time I checked, blasphemy, like apostasy as well, is a capital offense per the dictates of Islam.

      However, ALL MAINSTREAM ORTHODOX MUSLIMS on earth, on the other hand, are jihadists. A few of them are violent jihadists, while most of them are non-violent stealth and deceptive jihadists, and the few that are not jihadists are not Muslim as all, but instead blasphemous apostates that per the dictates of Islam must be executed.

  • http://kinialohaguy.wordpress.com/ Kini

    When is the Honor Killing episode? That should be a real hoot!

    • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      Yeah, can wait for that. Or the gang rape one. Or the rob the kuffar one. Or the pedophilia one.

  • thinker

    Whow! From reading the comments it looks like people are "on" to Islam and what it teaches. Remember 9/11? So media folk please stop trying to put a positive spin on the "religion of peace"! Please see the website by that name for an eye-opener.

    • randy

      911 had nothing to do with islam. It was for all the U.S interfering in the middle east, over the years, which caused much suffering to different groups.

      • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        Another clueless libtard presents himself.

      • winoceros

        Huh. Why would the U.S. "meddle" in the Middle East, I wonder? Why would they feel the need to have to pay attention to that god forsaken hole of a place?

        If Muslims feel like they're always oppressed, it's because over a thousand years many societies have tried to keep them from taking over the world. If that's oppression, oh well. Too bad the U.S. wasn't there to keep them from taking over Sicily and Spain.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Also WW2 had nothing to do with Nazism, it was all about anger over England and France's foreign policy.

  • Tsh

    Muslims are commanded to fight unbelievers. That's all I have to say :)

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. http://quran.com/9/29

  • ASG

    The one thing I have the most trouble with is trying to figure out how Daniel Greenfield can stomach watching this garbage. Personally I would prefer the option of watching Jersey Shore over watching a make believe reality show about Muslims, and some Hollywood Socialists fantasy of an American Soldier turning terrorist. These are basically shows that look into the world of Islam, well go out to your backyard, lift the cover of your septic tank, look in, and you can see the world of Islam. It's disgusting at best and the smell will make you vommit. Thank G-d they don't have smellovision technology yet, or these shows would be in even bigger trouble. And judging by the ratings, seems like the Muslims are not even watching the show.

    • winoceros

      Maybe they are, and the figure of "7-8 million" Muslims is just a big fat exaggeration.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Yes it is, that figure is hot air.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      I certainly can't claim to enjoy it, but neither was screening Nazi propaganda during WW2.

  • Arab American girl.

    This is pathetic! all you guys do is through stereotypes around and never actually met an actually Muslim! you believe the media and not the actual truth! Here the thing u seem to not understand at all. We believe in something different then you, WE ARE NOT HERE TOO KILL CHRISTIANS !!!!! what you see on TV are stupid ppl doing stupid things and saying there muslim. IDK if u know this but there are bad stereotypes about Americans too outside the states and these comments only prove them right. American is a FREE COUNTRY FOR EVERYONE. if you don't believe me, u can look it up in the constitution. Freedom of speech, press and RELIGION. WE are AMERICAN. I was born here and raised. no matter what any one says or does ; they can't take that away from me or any one else for that matter. We also have ppl out there on the front lines dying and guess what? There muslim too! and not just soldiers are dying but innocent ppl too!Were America, home of the brave!!! so why is a big majority of us acting pathetic just because someone has a different lifestyle??? Ever hear of "Don't judge a book by its cover?" give the show a chance. you opinion us may change. thats the point of this show and TLC is the only brave enough channel to step up and make a change!!

    • winoceros

      I have met many Muslims. Most are very nice and I have no problem with individual Muslims in America.

      Certainly you are not here to kill Christians. But if I were a public schoolteacher in England, and my Muslim students didn't like the fact that I was assigned to teach world religions to Muslim girls, and beat my head in with a rock, I might feel that it was somehow religiously motivated. Especially if the students said "It was religiously motivated." Certainly you wouldn't do that. Only those who are defending Islam. You don't defend Islam. You are defending Muslims. That is admirable.

      What we object to is the media whitewash of Islam, while choosing to promote non-devout Muslims as if they were just average Joe's, who happened to consult supremacist-sympathizing imams when they need something.

      What we object to is the lauding of the hijab and the failure to show what happens to those who wish to not wear one any more. What would happen to you if you said you were not going to wear your hijab any more? Be honest.

      • Arab American girl.

        if i ever decided to no longer wear my hijab out in public, then it would be my decision and to go with my personality, wouldn't care what others though as long as it is between me and God. My Social Studies teacher told us about religions and all that and completely understood that we were all just curious and well, he had to teach us so we would understand and not act like what you see on this blog. Moron who don't think before they speak and dont know squat about what there talking about.

        Islam is a peaceful religion and any one that took the time of day could see that. besides if a Christian was being mocked or criticise, then obviously other catholic would step up. Same with me. im part of a uma(Nation/union) of muslim. all for one and one for all! i anit no islamic scalar or whatever. i practice this religon every day so i know whats true and whats not. who would you listen to, the meida or an actul muslim who practice this religion everyday? im not better then you and you no better then me. we human just like everyone else but that doesnt give you a single right to mark us when you havent even hear half the story. dont mix us up with those idiotic arabs that "say" there muslim and doing that right thing. We all aint like that.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          Islam is a peaceful religion… if so then why is your Koran full of wars?

          • Arab American girl.

            The Quran tells of stories that happened in the past and tell of things that will happen in the Future. for example the Day of Judgement. everything comes to an end and on this day you will be judge for what you have done in this life. muslim beleive that ppl that have already died stay in there grave untill that day, if you a good person, that grave is like a per-pradise and a per-hell if you bad.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            And a lot of those stories are about Muslims fighting people in the past and the future.

            Doesn't sound very peaceful.

          • Arab American girl.

            hey everyones has wars. and by the future part i mean that they tell us stuff that will happen. its not like fighing will never stop. everyone fights it s just something that should be let go of. look past the cover and read the book.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            So wars in the past, wars in the present and wars in the future. Clearly that's not peaceful.

            So why use a name that's clearly not true?

          • winoceros

            So you don't believe much of the Qur'an is applicable for today. Your imam agrees with you?

          • Arab American girl.

            of course it applicable. its something we believe and trust in. would you ask the same question about the bible? you'd defiantly say the same. Islam is a peaceful religion but ppl say bad things about it and others wont believe when other muslim try to explain. were not perfect all we are is human.

          • winoceros

            No, you said the fighting parts were historical, and that the Qur''an outlines what will happen in the future. Now you say that the parts about fighting for religion is applicable for today.

            Why would you not understand that idea is concerning to non-Muslims who do not want to be fought or subjugated until Islam is dominant?

            I am telling you the bad things about it, and then you say you haven't really read the Qur'an. Then why are you a Muslim? If you say you believe in the Qur'an, but haven't read it, how exactly should I measure your opinion of Islam?

            I did not expect you to be perfect. If you are going to be an apologist for Islam, it would be nice if you were familiar with its basic texts, and not be so defensive.

            People do not want to be Muslim if they don't want to. They do not want to pay jizya if they don't want to. They don't want to have rights assigned to them by their Muslim "betters."

            Our innate freedoms, yours and mine, are more important than a religion. Islam tries to be a religion and a political system. No one cares if you are a religious Muslim following the made up tract from one man who claimed visions. We do care if that belief system is violently and through coercion trying to take over our constitutional republic and neuter American values.

            Maybe if you took the time to read your own Qur'an, to discover why FGM is recommended or required by scholars, why in some or all cases your testimony is half or one-fourth of a man's testimony in front of a sharia judge, and why your inheritance is automatically half of your brothers, and why non-Muslims are trying to reach out to girls who want to safely leave Islam without fear of death, then you would understand why we find this horrifying ideology so detestable.

            Don't be personally offended. Read. Look up Rifqa Bary while you're at it. Just don't let anyone catch you doing it.

        • kafir

          I get all of my islamic information from muslims. I don't believe all muslims are terrorists, but I believe that muslims will protect muslims to the exclusion of all else. Why do I think this? muslims have said it. They will let their brethern make their own choices and deal with allah for judgement. The fact that infidel lives could be lost is irrelevant. And I believe that a BEST CASE scenario with muslims. I learned it from muslims. I read what muslims say, and it's my choice where I get my islamic education, just as it's yours.

        • winoceros

          What would parents and siblings and cousins say or do if you said you weren't going to wear your hijab any more. Do you know any practicing Muslim girls who decided not to wear the hijab any more or decided to be not-so-devout as their parents wanted her to be?

          • Arab American girl.

            one of my best friends doesnt wear a scarf. shes doesnt practice the religion much but believes in allah. she always say " the only one who can judge me is me and God. no one eles." If i decided to no longer wear a scarf then my mom would understand and i could careless what my dad thought. Its would be my decidion and its between me and God so if someone asked me why i stoped i would say " because i dont need to wear a scarf to be muslim, as long as i believe in God and the last day and say my shihad( testimony to God) I am a muslim." the reason we wear a hijaba is to teach us modesty and to love our inner beauity more then our outter and we get more respect i think.

          • winoceros

            Maybe I'm not clear. You seem to be unconcerned for your parents opinions. Are you sure that nothing would happen to you if you chose right now to not wear a scarf any more? You don't care what dad thinks, but what about what you think he would do?

            Do you think girls who don't wear headscarfs are somehow less modest than you? Do you think it is the headscarf that makes one modest, or how one behaves around the opposite sex that matters?

            If not having a headscarf is so immodest, why aren't there legion rapes in American high schools everywhere? I mean, we have mixed classrooms, how can non-Muslim boys contain themselves?

            In other words, the hijab is a faulty premise. Maybe just knowing you're a Muslim, and uninclined to date or have premarital sex, would be fine, and there is no need to demand a headscarf. There are many girls who have scalp disease and damaged hair because they wear the scarf and it's so limiting. Seriously. You can't even just walk out the door for milk and bread without covering yourself up?

            But if you had a friend who did wear the hijab, and then stopped because she wasn't going to be so devout or leave Islam, you check out what her family says and does. She will be told the she is being "unIslamic."

        • Lauren

          If islam is a peaceful religion, then why can't the different strains of islam (sunni, shiite, wahhabi, etc.) be peaceful with each other?

          Why do muslims want to kill anyone who leaves islam?

          "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him' Hadith – Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

          Why would a "peaceful" muslim rape a 2 year old girl (Neha Munir), because her father refused to convert to islam? The list goes on. Muslims claim to be peaceful, but do things that are not peaceful

    • winoceros

      Also, no offense, but I am so tired of kids who come out of the schools in America being unable to communicate properly.

    • waterwillows

      Say what you will.

      But there is no denying that each and evey Friday night, you go to mosque and chant with everyone else there, the mandatory prayer.
      "Oh Allah…kill all the apes and pigs".

      Maybe don't do your prayers for awhile?

      • Arab American girl.

        yeah i go to the mosque and pray that God will kill you for your stupid action. really? what planet where you born on? Jupiter??

        I pray five times a day because i believe in something you don't. is that wrong? did i commit a crime or something? Do you go the church and ask God to make all Muslims disappear? Bet not. i dont hate you, you crap just annoys me cuz i know its not true. If i knew you ( thank god i don't) would i come up to you and tell you, "your religion is wrong, Americans are heartless! and they just judges you with out knowing who you are on the inside!!"

        Of course i wouldnt do that! i respect you religion and i expect the same. if your gonna act like as ass, then i'd treat you like dirt. some muslim won't and be patient with you but thats them and this is me. Im a girl with a personality and stands for what she beleives in.

        oh and by the way i like apes and pigs, just i don't pigs. see. im Different, what so hard to understand??

        • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

          What an ugly sharmuta.

          • Arab American girl.

            LAMO! dudes thats the best you've got? big talk from a guy thats never seen me in his life. like a pathetic little word over the interent is really gone make me feel worthless? lol

          • winoceros

            I don't think you're worthless. But your tone and your manner of communicating is ugly to look at, and overly-defensive. As a Muslim girl, you have many sympathizers here because I don't believe for a minute that you would not suffer if you took off your hijab, and that you have not already suffered by virtue of being a female Muslim.

            Is this the way you would form arguments in all situations?

        • fascist islam

          You are commanded to hate our religion and you cannot have non Muslims as friends. You can pretend to be friends with us, deceiving us until you and your Ummah are strong enough to subjugate or kill us! And if you were in an Islamic country you would be forced to wear the hijab or be beaten and possibly killed by your own family out of shame!

          Qur'an (3:28) – "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them…"

          • Arab American girl.

            wow someone call a doctor because this person gone crazy!!! lol i swear u make me laugh when imagion you saying that. screaming and all. you'v got it totally right! God gave me a body and a perfectly working mind so i could come and kill you all. (LAMO) dont take offence to this but you do sound a little mad as in crazy mad.

            really? I am not fake nor do i pretend to be. i dont know how you got it that i couldnt have muslim friends but sorry to disapoint you but i do and i wouldnt take a blade to there face even if it killed me. my friends are part of my life and trust me if they ever say any of this stuff, they'd be horrified. yes it says in the Quran to wear a scarf and cover you private parts and others but that doesnt mean was HAVE to do it. its our Choose and we can defend ourselfs for it. yeah mabye in some countries they do that and you and me can both agree thats stupid and they should get punished for it( finally, we agree on something?!) i respect your religion and i expect the same from you.

            Quran (1:09) – Al- Kafiurn
            - Say " O disbelievers, I don't worship what you worship. Nor you worship what i worship, and I will not worship what had been used to worship, nor will you worship what i worship. To you be your religion, and to me(be) my religion."

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Yes it's your choice to do it in America. Not in Saudi Arabia or Iran or many other places.

            And if you don't do it, then your 'Brothers' might not realize that you are a Muslim and "harass" you. (33:58)

            And in Islam all of a woman is Arwah,

          • Arab American girl.

            i am the type of person wouldnt give care in the world what ppl thought of me. I am very much a tomboy so if i did go there with out my hijab, i could definatly defend myself. as you may have seen i have one hell of a way with words. true other countries have different rules and lifestyles. i would repesct them but i wouldnt do what they wanted me too. i hope it could be the same with others.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Other countries being Muslim countries, while in America, a non-Muslim country, you're free to be a tomboy.

            Meanwhile the Imam shown on All-American Muslim thinks that the solution for a woman who doesn't wear a hijab is for the husband to get a second wife.

            And he supports domestic violence
            http://www.imamberry.org/en/index.php?option=com_

            How well do you think you would do under a system run by people like that

          • winoceros

            What do you mean by "defend myself"? From whom?

          • winoceros

            It does not say to kill or "take a blade to the face" of a non-Muslims rather than be friends.

            It says do not take non-Muslims for friends nor protectors, and I can direct you to several websites of American imams and scholars stating the same, and elaborating on why it's a bad idea. The primary reason is the more you associate with non-Muslims, the more likely you are to take on their ideas and stray from your own. That's pretty practical advice, so there really shouldn't be a problem in admitting that Islam teaches not to be good friends with non-Muslims. There is nothing wrong with being friendly with non-Muslims, that's just good manners. But to be good friends is a risky proposition, one the Qur'an explicitly prohibits. I can see you're a good Muslim, so you'll want to fix that right away.

            And as far as "respecting a religion," I hardly see why that would be expected for you or any of these people. We respect people, not "religions." A religion is to be judged on its tenets, as to whether they comport with ideals that someone might hold. People are to be respected insofar as their actions suggest.

            Many of us do not respect Islam because its tenets do not comport with the ideals of human rights generally, and specifically with freedoms and liberties essential for Americans, and all other people, for that matter.

          • fascist islam

            This was an early Meccan ayat. When Mohamed was weak and had no poer. It was abrogated by later ayats. The last ayats revealed were 9 and 5.

            Quran (9:5) – "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

            Quran (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

            Quran (9:30) – "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

        • winoceros

          It isn't apes and pigs. That's not part of the Salaah, just part of the Qur'an that refers to the fate of Jews and Christians who do not go along with their Islamic overlords.

          Do you not pray that Allah guide you "on the straight path,

          the path of those who have received your grace;

          Not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray. "?

      • Laura Falcon

        She can't go to mosque. She's FEMALE. At best she can go to the women's area to pray with other females. I doubt she even gets to hear her imam's sermons.

        • waterwillows

          Yet, she will bring up her sons to go to mosque and chant hate prayers.

          She will wear the hijab in honor of the males who allow thighing babies, sex with goats, buggering little boys, beating wives and killing female family members.

          She will allow her sons to think of her as too stupid to testify intelligently and let them believe that a raped female must have four witness for committing 'adultery'. Yes, she will stand by and allow by her silence and publicly defend such horrors as 'divine'.
          It is a sickness of the soul and can not be tolerated by decent people.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      Actually we're questioning the media in this article.

      The problem isn't what you believe, the problem is the consequences of that belief. The terrorists aren't just saying they're Muslim… they are Muslim. And they base their actions on the Koran.

      Can you deny that?

      • Arab American girl.

        its once thing to say it and its nother to be it. in the Quran its says to fight for your religion which in our case is Islam. since long ago when Islam was first came to be, the people there at the time would torcher the Muslim because they converted so they fought back for there freedom. A lot if Christians burn our holy book so thats a big deal and they do have the right to be mad. i just wish innocent ppl didnt have to be invovled.

        • Daniel Greenfield

          They martyr themselves in the way of Allah, they study the Koran and seem to know it better than you do. Sounds like they're better Muslims than you are.

          Muslims kept fighting even once they had authority and power. And there doesn't seem to be much freedom left in Muslim countries under Muslim rule.

          • Arab American girl.

            yeah maybe they are better knowing of my religion then i am but people make mistakes and there probobly dont have a proper education of the US. if the only understood that there not like what the stereotypes about the States say they are. things could change. and if its changes here it will change there. the US has alot of arabs that have family connectiong back in the middle east. new can travel fast.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki was American born and educated. So were some top Al-Qaeda people.

        • JoJoJams

          AAG – You are only a "free" muslim, because you are here in the free west…… You truly need to learn more about your religion. Seriously — for your own souols sake… And your quranic quote has been abrogated by later passages straight from the mouth of mad mo. Do you feel, were to leave islam, that you should be killed, per mohammed's commandments? How do you feel about Mohammed marrying a a 6 year old and consummating that marriage when she (Aisha) was 9? How do you feel about Sharia? Killing homosexuals? Dhimmitude? Dear one, you have NO clue about your own religion, and are brainwashed…. I'll pray for your soul.

          • Arab American girl.

            I am a free Muslim where ever i go. i know probobly alot more on my religion then you do. that aya i wrote by hand that i got from my Quran at home. their talking about battles that happened in the past and that you shouldnt always believe what none believes may tell you since back then they were horrible mistreat because they converted to Islam. if i left Islam (God forbid) then that would be my choose and i wouldnt be killed for it. maybe in some families they take it too far and are what i like to call stupid arabs but those r different ppl that may or may not have the best education. and besides allah will judge then for what they have done.

            Back in the day of Prophet Mohmmad (PBUH) its was COMPLETELY NORMAL for a girl to get marryed at a young age. and mohmmad was the most honest, care, intellegant and respectable man around so any girl would want a guy like that right? he would only marry her if she wanted it and she did. i dont actully like Sharia because i Islam is a way of living and not a law. i Love Gay ppl so i think thats wrong too but alot of ppl do wrong things. i never heard od what Dhimmitude is so i cant really tell ya anything about that. im not brainwashed and if you can see here i have a good idea about my own religion, if i didnt i wouldnt be muslim. i think you have the wrong impress on us.

          • fascist islam

            I have never met a Muslim who knows much of anything about Islam. They chose to believe the lies they are told instead of the facts of the evil, intolerant, fascist, bigoted ideology of the criminal Mohamed. Dhimmitude is the state in which non Muslims live under Islamic rule! We are either to be subjugated and treated like animals, enslaved, converted, or slaughtered. Why do you defend what you know nothing about?

          • JoJoJams

            AAG, I do like your calm responses, but much of what you say is actually against what the quran and mohammed sates!! eg: "Ibn Abbaas said : The Messenger of Allah said, “Whoever changes his (Islamic) religion, kill him.” Al-Bukhary (number 6922)". Your OWN prophet states that if anyone leave hsi religion, they should be killed!! The only reason you can state what you do, is because you live in the west and are afforded some measure of protection against honor killings and such. In muslim nations, apostasy is DEATH – because that is what mohammed TOLD everyone!! So, your statement is NON-Muslim! You do need to actually and fully read your own holy book, and all the commentaries by muslim scholars and gain a fuller insight in to your religion. We have. And we see it for the evil that it is. Sugar coated by the early, Meccan verses, which are abrogated by the later Medinian verses. You cannot leave your religion without being under a death sentence, as decreed by mohammed!! THAT is Truth!

          • winoceros

            Many non-Arab Muslims kill apostates, too, and believe that it is required that apostates be killed, because of the Sunnah.

        • winoceros

          It says: Qur'an (8:39) – “And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.” Translation from the Noble Quran

          Qur'an (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

          So, they are fighting. I guess you do not like the way these erstwhile Muslims are fighting. Are these Muslims part of the Ummah or not? 'All for one and one for all,' right?

          There is only one written alleged instance of a Muslim being tortured for converting. But in the ahadith, there is a record of identical punishment for a woman whom Mohammad condemned to death. Then there are a dozen other instances where Mohammad condemned others to death because they were insulting or rebellious to their new overlord.

          I can understand that "fighting back for freedom" is what you're taught in your little madrassa to believe about Islam. It is not the case. They were warriors and connivers and oppressors. They raided caravans and attacked established communities who would not agree to submit. This is why the left Mecca in the first place. They were being run out of town on a rail. They were the mafia, and they won.

          Do you know why you "can't" marry a non-Muslim man? Because of the mafia's rules that perpetuate Islam at the expense of all others. Do you know why you are to be killed if you leave Islam? Because of the mafia's rules. Do you know why there is a poll-tax on non-Muslims? Mafia. Do you know that zakat is only for Muslims and not for non-Muslim needy?

          Lastly, which is more important to you: America and her Constitution or the Ummah and the Qur'an?

          And when you say "i just wish innocent ppl didnt have to be invovled" [sic], I hope you realize the innocent did not become involved until devout Muslims, following the command to fight until all the land is Allah's religion, maim and murder them. It is not a two-way street. It is not a relationship where they are "involved" with one another. Islam commands domination over the non-Muslim. You have the luxury of ignoring that command. Those Muslims feel more strongly.

          And what's a big deal about someone else burning your holy book? How is that a "big deal"? It might hurt your feelings, but a "big deal"? Hardly.

          • Arab American girl.

            its a "big deal" becasue they are holy words send down from God. its not be a big deal for you because you obviously dont care what happens to us at all. Okay lets start explaining shall we?

            like i have already told you like 5 times. THEY ARE STORIES FROM THE PAST AN HELP US IN THE FUTURE. Muslims believe that allah made the universe so everything belongs to him because he's God : the Creator.

            Honestly i dont like fighting period. so if there was a war of course i would be concerned. Mohammed didnt put any one to death. he was a strong, respectable man with an honest, kind heart. the only time he killed someone was when he was at war fighting for Islam.

            I went to school in American and its in my personality to fight for freedom. They left Mecca because of the people that mistreated them and they went else where to spread the word of Islam. they didnt attack anyone, they were the ones BEING attacked. They were not Mafia, not in the least.
            i can't marry a muslim man because According to Islam, if the father is Muslim, the children are Muslim. Hence, a Muslim guy can marry a non-Muslim girl because their children are automatically considered Muslim.
            On the other hand, if a non-Muslim guy marries a Muslim girl, her children are not considered Muslim, because the father is not Muslim. you dont get killed for leaving islam. just stupid people do it. muslim countries want muslims to vote not non-muslim. there different from the US.

            Zakat is for Everyone. its Charity. i sent money to the ppl in Japan and plan on sending money to my local SPCA. i sent money to africa too. we send it to ppl who are and aren't muslim.

            why do i need to choose between the two?? i already have them both and they co-exist fine. you just see it differently.

            innocent ppl get involved whether there muslim or not. thats not that hard to figure out. Islam dose not command domination. There is a fine line between Muslims, arabs and Mental ppl who want to control the world like the villains in a movie. Were human beings not devils.

          • fascist islam

            What are you talking about? You know nothing. How could you say Mohamed didnt kill anyone? He killed thousands and ordered his men to as well. This is ridiculous!

            "The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

            Tabari VIII:122
            Ishaq:515"The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."

            Tabari VII:133
            Ishaq:387"When Muhammad saw Hamzah he said, 'If Allah gives me victory over the Quraysh at any time, I shall mutilate thirty of their men!' When the Muslims saw the rage of the Prophet they said, 'By Allah, if we are victorious over them, we shall mutilate them in a way which no Arab has ever mutilated anybody."

            Bukhari:V4B52N270"Allah's Messenger said, 'Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.' Maslama got up saying, 'Would you like me to kill him?' The Prophet proclaimed, 'Yes.' Maslama said, 'Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.' Muhammad said, 'You may do so.'"

          • winoceros

            So far your argument for Islam is that God is all-powerful, all-knowing. You're with 4/5 of the world with that one.

            "So if there was a war of course i would be concerned." Um, there are wars for Islamic domination going on right now, and there are Americans fighting against the Islamic domination as we speak. Did you miss that war to be concerned about?

            Mohammad had many, many people put to death. Let me know once you've cracked that Qur'an you claim you own. Or do they only issue you an Arabic one? And the man who didn't put anyone to death but if he did he was only at war fighting for Islam had women and children killed and then excused their deaths, all in the name of fighting for Islam. You'll see why the "fighting for Islam" argument is not one this world can really stand for.

            You can't marry a non-Muslim man because you would be killed if you did. That's why you can't. Not because of some crazy justification. We Westerners seem to be doing a fine job of turning out little Westerners without someone telling us we can't marry Buddhists. Don't you think an ideology should be able to thrive on its own merit to society without restricting its women and killing its apostates?

            Zakat is not charity. Zakat is for Muslims only. Charity is different. I'm sure Muslims give lots of charity as well, though it's hard to see when I am constantly receiving requests for donations to the "Muslim Food Shelf." Zakat is a percentage obligation to the Muslim poor and for jihad, if the individual is able. Look it up.

            What Sunni school of fiqh or Shi'a authority can you cite that says that death is not the penalty for apostasy? I can't wait.

            The Qur'an contradicts the Constitution and vice versa. What do you reject so that you can accept both? Which aspects?

            Islam absolutely commands domination. Again, back to your Qur'an you go. I did not say individual Muslims command domination. They are commanded to jihad, of all kinds, but most ignore it so they can live peaceful, comfortable lives, as do you. What you choose to ignore will be accepted or not accepted in your community, but the Qur'an isn't budging because you don't want to follow it.

    • fascist islam

      I have several friends that are Muslims. We are not talking about all Muslims. We are talking about your evil, backward, immoral, fascist, bigoted ideology!

      Qur'an (5:51) – "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

      Quran (9:123) – "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

      Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

      Just so you know, the people of the book are Jews and Christians!

    • crankywhitewoman

      Actually, I do know Muslims. I hid an Iranian Muslim woman in my home during the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979 because we feared a backlash against Iranians. Then, in the 80s, I was roommates with a Muslim man, also from Iran. He left Iran when Khomeini became the supreme leader. They told me many things about Islam, and I knew way back before 9/11 what a screwed up “religion” it is. I couldn’t believe what they told me, such as it’s okay to have sex with animals and little girls, so I researched it, and you know what? They were telling me the truth! What a foul and disgusting thing, Islam. I loved both of those people, and they loved me. I don’t hate Muslims, but I definitely don’t trust the majority of them, and I absolutely detest the foul ideology that enslaves them.

    • Laura Falcon

      Been married 2x to a muslim male. Learned the hard way that they're a bunch of misogynist narcissistic sadists. Just like their prophet. I've got no problem with different lifestyles, but I DO have a problem with having crap shoved down my throat. Including hidden sha'ria law and banking preferences and systematic removal of Christian teachers in Dearborn and intolerance of Christians by muslims.

      Wear your burqa in peace little girl, soon the FGM lady will come for you and you'll be enjoying your NOT forced marriage before long. I got no problem with that. Just don't try to cry wolf later.

  • fascist islam

    No we actually read the evil fascist bigoted teachings of your child molesting, rapist, serial killer false Prophet! We dont judge people, we judge your ideology! And Muslims are commanded to subjugate or slaughter all non Muslims untill there is a universal caliphate!

    Quran (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    • Arab American girl.

      first off, it was COMPLETELY NORMAL for young girls at the time. Secondly she went willingly ; i mean Mohammad (PBUH) was the most honest, caring and respectable man anyone will ever have met so of course any girl would want a man like that. no? now i don't know where you got serial killer from. we all taugh, weither any religion you in, that you should fight for what you beleive in. im not islamic scalar or anything like that and i dont read as much Quran as i should. i really should since its a wonderful book, dont you think the same about the bible?? so i cant say much for the aya u pulled up. but form my point of view. it has a different meaning then what you think. if ya got some concerns on it (which is obvious) then ask someone who IS an expert on it . maybe ya might get better answers.

      • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        If it was completely normal, sharmuta, why did Aisha's hair all fall out when she was told she'll be marrying the filthy old pedo Mahound?

        • Arab American girl.

          who told you he hair fell out? and besides mohammd would only marry her if she wanted it. she agree because ya know why? she know how wonderful he was and didnt want to miss up a chance like this. before you start sayin stuff you dont know look it up.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            So you think a 6 year old who plays with dolls is of legal age to agree to a marriage?

            Do you also think that a 6 year old can drive or vote?

          • winoceros

            Aisha said her hair fell out. It's in Bukhari, and that hadith is considered authentic. Honestly, true or not, it means nothing in terms of the story of Aisha's rape. In those days, there were many compounds accidentally or purposefully ingested that could cause one's hair to fall out. Whatever the cause, Aisha, a nine-year old, and a female at that, could only possibly know what she was told. She didn't have the Quran and Sunnah to read about Mohammad's exploits.

            But what's really sick, is that you have no comprehension how it sounds for you to claim that a nine-year old "wanted it," as if she had any comprehension whatsoever about what was going to happen to her body when that 54-year-old lout ripped her open.

            Most of us had fair-tale princess dreams when we were little girls. You need to get a grip. Our dreams were about grown women marrying grown princes.

            I feel sorry for you. You will be married when and where someone else wants you to be married. Your consent will be expected and anticipated. If you object, you will be presented with a series of consequences, designed to help you find a way to consent. If you still refuse, someone in your tribe will be shamed, and it's not going to end pretty. If you stay in the U.S., you have a chance at marrying the person of your choice.

            The reason I am telling you this is I have looked it up, whereas you have admitted to reading neither the Qur'an nor Sahih Bukhari. I don't really need to defend myself against "Did not!"

      • fascist islam

        Wrong again. It was not normal back then. And if Mohamed were a man of God he should have set a better example. Because of his terrible, immoral, and deadly example millions of little girls have suffered and died. And no he was not honest, caring or respectable. he was a liar, thief, child molester, rapist, serial killer! Its all in your Sahih hadith! The Quran is a repetitive terrorist manual of hate and intolerance. It doesnt have a different meaning because I can go to the tafsirs and read the meanings. Your scholars agree with me, not you.

        • Arab American girl.

          nope im not wrong. ask any Muslim that can stand you crap and they will tell you the same thing and he step millions of wronderful and wise example. i really think you should look up an Islamic site and not some racidal site thats tells you fales things. you wouldnt read a newspaper with just gossip and false facts right? my scholars would definatly not agree that, i could bet my blessed life on it. all they would do is tell you what i have or maybe explain it better.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            Speaking of Islamic scholars, the one featured on All-American Muslim says that a girl who reaches puberty is ready to marry.

            That's still the way it happens in parts of the Muslim world.

          • fascist islam

            Do you mean like Mohamed and his companions? How about Imam Bukhari, Sahih Muslims, Abu Dawood , and Tabari? . And yes you are 100% wrong!? Here is from your scholars! Mohamed was a terrible human being. He would be tried and executed for crimes against humanity if he were alive today!

            Rape, enslavement, and adultery!
            Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

            Murder, torture, and theft!
            Tabari VIII:122
            Ishaq:515"The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, 'Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah's chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him."
            Your in total denial of reality!

          • winoceros

            My dear, we read Muslim sites. We watch interviews with Muslim scholars from Al-Azhar. We watch Arab and Muslim daily papers.

            What do you read?

            This is not gossip. No one makes this stuff up. Mohammad killed enemy leader in battle and then took his 17-year old wife that very night, after having killed most of her family. He put a guard outside his tent, and raped her. You were saying he never had anyone killed? Because her husband was killed in battle, she was a "spoil of war," now "that which his right hand posses[ed]"…a sex-slave. This was considered not adultery from some reason, because he claimed there was a revelation that allowed for such a thing.

            Why would a god of any kind spend a minute of time telling someone about whether it was halal or not to rape a dead man's wife? How is this a holy "idea"?

            You are soooooooo uninformed. I can't believe you call yourself a Muslim.

          • crankywhitewoman

            I’ve read the Qu’ran and Hadiths…have you? I don’t think you have, because if you had, you certainly wouldn’t be singing his praises. Do you really think God would create us to REQUIRE sunshine to obtain and process vitamin D, and then require half His creation (women) to be shrouded, and not getting the sunshine they need so they don’t acquire ricketts? Do you really believe that God would require the removal of a clitoris from girls, when He designed us with them in the first place so we could have sexual pleasure? Come on now, use the brains God gave you and see how illogical that is.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        Does a caring respectable man marry a 9 year old girl? And does he also marry his son's wife?

        Why does a caring respectable man need to cultivate an entire harem?

        • Arab American girl.

          isnt the answer Obvious? havent you read the last few post i've explained this soo many times? its was normal back then to marry young girls just like in mexico or japan its nomarl to marry you cousin. He was a caring, respectable man so course he wouldnt marry his sons wife. Its HIS sons wife! she already taken. he NEVER cultivated an entire harem. if you have alot of questions go to a muslim asking site. you will get all the answers you heart desires and there all from shakas. Experts on islam. i anit here to fight. im hear to try and explain but im not gonna be some sweet heart about it. treat me the way you want to be treated.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            A dozen wives isn't a harem? Do you really think he cared about each wife equally?

            Not to mention the slave women.

            And yes he did marry his son's wife.

            These aren't questions, they're facts. Mohammed used his "religion" to gain wealth and power and used them to build a harem.

            Is that how a caring respectable man behaves, marrying children and raping captive women?

          • fascist islam

            Havent you read my response! It was NOT normal for a 52 year old man to marry a 6 year old. provide evidence to support your assertion. And Mohamed was an example for all times! So that means he set the precedent. So what he did then is the perfect example for today. And we know that through science and medical advancements from the West that he set a terrible example! Not only is it dangerous for the child to have sex, but if the child becomes pregnant it is dangerous for the child's child. It's most likely the reason Aisha couldnt have any children. Because Mohamed destroyed her reproductive organs with his penis! If he were a man of God he would have set a better example for people to follow! He was just a selfish, child molesting, rapist, slave owning serial killer!

            "The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

          • winoceros

            How is marrying your son's wife "marrying your cousin"?

            Do you think it's all right for today's Muslims (and all those Mexicans and Japanese you believe do so as well) to continue to marry first-, second-, and third-cousins? Do you think the religious establishment of Islam could ever justify a fatwa stating that it shouldn't really be done any more?

          • Daniel Greenfield

            To be fair, she was his son's wife… and his cousin.

          • winoceros

            Oh. Ish.

      • winoceros

        Please describe to me how a six- to nine- year old girl goes any way but "willingly" when led by her mother into her own home.

        Sahih Bukhari 5.234
        Narrated Aisha:
        The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
        ———————————
        "not knowing" "made me stand at the door" "Unexpectedly"
        ——————————–
        Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
        Narrated Aisha:
        When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.
        —————————————-
        It's so cute that you describe Mohammad as honest, caring and respectable. You really should read the Qur'an and Sahih Bukhari. It's so easy…they're all right online where you can enjoy them.

        Mohammad was a ruthless killer. Do you know who Marwan's daugher is?

        Ishaq 676: Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

        • Arab American girl.

          instead of reading if off the internet, go an buy an actual quran. anything can be changed on the internet. its says in the Quran may times before that a girl CAN NOT be forced into marriage. its forbidden that story is obviously false. get a translated Quran and see what its says then compare.
          heres a site about it. hope it helps.
          http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t

          • fascist islam

            You are in complete denial of reality! And children are sold into marriage with old men all the time to this day!

            November 03, 2010
            A Saudi old man aged above 80 years has married a 12-year-old girl and is refusing to divorce her unless she pays him back his wedding money, the Saudi Ajel Arabic language online paper reported on Wednesday.

          • winoceros

            I'm almost speechless…but not quite.

            The reason it's "Sahih" Bukhari is because it's considered reliable commentary. It's from the website http://www.sahih-bukhari.com, which is a Muslim site. Are you saying that the Sunnah is not a necessary part of Muslim worldview?

            The compilation of narratives considered most reliable was written down by Muslims who wanted to put Islam in the best light possible, and to extol Mohammad's perceived virtues. So Imam Bukhari put that narration in the collection because he thought it was a story important to Islam. I'll bet, though, if you took that passage to the masjid and asked your imam or some female layperson who would deign to talk to you about it, that they would confirm the validity of that passage.

            And it doesn't matter if it came off the internet. English translations aren't any good anyway, right, because only the classical Arabic is the real deal?

            Besides…the forum post you linked confirms what I said was true. What are you trying to say?

            Are you not taught about Marwan's daughter in your Islam classes? What about Kinana?

  • Ghostwriter

    I've haven't seen "Homeland" but I have seen "All-American Muslim." I'm not psychic but I see a quick cancellation for this show in it's future.

  • Anamah

    American hypocrisy is not to show All-Muslims dirty principles and support of Sharia disease. Progressives, Communism, Socialist Revolutionaries and Radical Islamics have the same killing power as the Attila horse… they renew their intents, with endless perseverance. This is a new creepy intent… Stop Islamic advance in America!!! We must stop the plague!!!

  • fascist islam

    Quran (9:123) – "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

    "The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

    Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger…” (Sahih Muslim 5917)

    • Arab American girl.

      like i said before. i dont read much Quran so i have noooooooooooooo idk if this is true or not. and for the record we have more then one prophet. and back in those days they did worrible things to muslims like layin them in the hot sand and putting big rocks on them and wibbing them because they didnt believe in what they believed. so in there defence. They sure as hell had a good reason to fight.

      • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        LOL! You're not one of those pathetic anmadi apostates are you?

      • fascist islam

        Your completely wrong. It was Mohamed who was doing terrible things to all non Muslims! He was tolerated by even the pagans. but he would not stop persecuting and condemning everyone! And then when he gained power he started slaughtering, enslaving, and raping and stealing. Your excuses are fallacious! And yes i know Mohamed plagiarized from the Bible and the pagans. To indoctrinate more ignorant people to fight and die for him. Islam is the most evil, fascist, bigoted death cult on the planet!. Most Muslims like yourself are ignorant of the true teachings and actions of Mohamed!

      • Daniel Greenfield

        And Muslims had a good reason to take slaves and then rape those slaves. Yes?

        But how is any of that self-defense?

      • winoceros

        Are you stating that there was another prophet alive at the time of the Bani Mustaliq and that Imam Bukhari thought to put a record of his actions right in the middle of a collection of stories about Mohammed?

  • Hartbreaker

    Yes, Am a Christian and yes I vote. In Oklahoma we voted against the Sharia Laws. Guess what we the people are told that our voices cannot be heard. That a pig muslim fascist lawyer from Georgia came to town and filed a lawsuit deem it unconstitutional. Go figure!

    • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

      Time to form a posse commitas. And bring a rope.

  • longbow

    Wow! Do you people HEAR yourselves? You are speaking from an angle of fear and hate, loathing and misunderstanding. I love "HOMELAND" because it shows just how NOT black and white our relationships are (can be). It's so easy to listen to Fox news and have them tell us what to think, as if all the world, all cultures and political/national conflicts can be wrapped up with a tiny little bow in one thirty-minute program per night……The dynamics of culture clashes, or international upheaval is not tidy, black and white, and simple. Don't think in SIMPLE terms. That requires no great intellect at all. Consider your sources, don't read, or quote, out of context, and stop spreading hate. I love "ALL AMERICAN MUSLIM" because it shows how at the end of the day, everyone wants the same things….food, shelter, education for their children, a happy wife who's not bitching at them, love, family. It is neither admirable nor intellectual to paint grotesque misrepresentations of people's culture because you heard something unfounded, or read some inflammatory crap on the internet. Think for yourselves. And don't forget that we as Christians have no untarnished history ourselves, from gay priests, slaughter of innocents (Crusades), witch hunts, abandoning it's followers in times of need…….It's disgusting…which is why our founding fathers wanted nothing to do with the dogma of Christian religion, apart from that which was exercised in private, on a personal level!

    You guys can not be taken seriously if all you do is spew unthoughtful speech and hatemongering. I believe in the beauty of the Muslim people, and like folks such as Jeffrey Dahmer and Tim McVeigh, I do not condone evil acts. But let's not pretend that it's US against THEM, where we're so right and they're so wrong. That's so simplistic that it reeks of ignorance and lack of intelligent consideration. Have a little more self-respect than to plaster your frothy ignorant comments on here before you educate yourselves!

    • winoceros

      You don't have the first clue as to what our sources are, because it's entirely clear you don't read them. We read Muslim sources, we watch Muslim interviews and speeches. We watch the actions of organized Islam, and watch and listen.

      No one is "coming down" on a happy family. I, however, would never, ever want to be told I am worth half of a man in inheritance or testimony. I would never "submit" to a religion whose founder said men were "superior" to women. I would never "submit" to a religion whose current practitioners think everything that was said 1400 years ago was still valid and useful, even today.

      Seriously, if we used Fox news as a source for what to think about Islam we'd never get to the truth. Nobody in media has the guts to talk about what Islam demands and condemns.

      Please show a "gross misrepresentation of people's culture" that has been made here. Also, they're Americans, right? What culture exactly am I supposed to be assessing?

      Bet me a dollar that you can find a single imam condemning the existence and mission of Hamas and Hezbollah. I'll take that bet.

      The beauty that exists in the Muslim people exists where they follow less Islam, not more Islam. The less devout have grasped the humanity they possess.

      No one here is thinking in simple terms. I think of motivation. There is not a net "plus" anywhere Muslim populations take up residence who do not fall away from being devout to Islam. There were swaths of "cultural" Muslims in Albania and Dagestan, Azerbaijan, etc. who had eschewed most of what Quranic Islam offers. That's what allowed them to get along with other faiths in their societies. The more devout they become, the less possible it is for anyone else to survive and prosper.

      The more Islam, the less freedom. Show me one single place where that isn't true.

  • LDW

    Hey Mo al Tebow, can you give us a modern, say within the last 50 years, where the Christian church ordered and sanctioned the deaths of innocent people? I know you are all about finding things from hundred of years ago that were done in the name of Christianity. As I understand it, Islam is currently advocating killing others who are different from themselves, and are in fact killing those with whom they disagree. Also. please point out for us where in the New Testament Christians are told to kill those with whom they disagree? Or to lie and deceive others, or to force others to submit to the Christian faith? You see all atrocities done in the name of Christianity were done when the political powers usurped the faith and used for political gain. When the Christian faith is practiced separate from the dictates of the state there is little or no violence against others. So when an ideology becomes a political system as Islam is, it is much more prone to violence.

  • hammar

    Only Jesus is Lord and God ….all others are false prophets.

  • James

    In answer to Muhammad, such things can be posted because this website and country believe in freedom of expression. If I posted on Jesus is most Muslim nations I would be in danger. You can post here because of our freedom.

    Arab American Girl, I have yet to see thousands of Muslims in the streets protesting against the persecution of Christians in Islamic countries. Let's see that and maybe I will believe you.

    My beef was the fact that the Catholic guy was forced to convert to marry the girl. They pretend there was no force, but it was obvious he had to in order to get married. If they believed in mutual liberty then they would have had no problem with him remaining Catholic, but that was out of the question. He should have refused and then they could film the reaction to them marrying anyway. I would have watched that. So much for their alleged respect for freedom of religion. Then they force the guy to fast. What happened to no compulsion in religion? The whole show is a facade.

    • Arab American girl.

      hey i see people protesting Islam in the streets lot. i get dirty looks cuz i dont want to show you my hair or skin. if you posted Jesus in most muslim countries and probobly because of stuff like this. discrimination us with out a second thought. i have christian friends, a lot in fact.

      and anit it kinda the same. A lot of American misjudge, discriminate and say a whole lot of mean stuff about us and then its kinda the same in lslam countries. what you do to us hear gets back to them. im telling ya arabs have a HUGE CONNECTION. I have an arab family on one side and a christian on the other since my mom coverteved on her own with out any one tell her too. which leds me to the third paragraph. In Islam, its forbidden to muslim girls to marry non-muslim. and Jeff was in love so of course he would do it for her. maybe her dad was kinda push about it but thats because he didnt want his daughter to do something forbidden. And even if they refused i dont think she still would have married him if he didnt convert. yeah she doesnt wear a scarf or over up but that doesnt mean shes doesnt believe in God. if they just let her marry him, they wouldnt be following there religion they believe in now would they?
      we have different rule for our religion and Jeff seemed fine with it. If the person you were in love with all you heart was muslim and this person was ever thing you ever wanted in a human being.( that is if u didnt have that grudges agenst us) wouldnt you want to be with that person?? think about it.
      yeah we have some ristrictions on you but that doesnt make our lives miserable. besides Jeff looks as happy as can be!

      • http://madaboutmahound.blogspot.com/ Gary Rumain

        YAWN! More takiya from a sharmuta.

      • Daniel Greenfield

        "In Islam, its forbidden to muslim girls to marry non-muslim. and Jeff was in love so of course he would do it for her."

        So why then isn't it forbidden for Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women?

        • Arab American girl.

          because ,from what i've heard, most children follow there fathers religion. Cause there usually the leader of the house i guess. well for some arab familys but for me. My mom wears the pants in this family.

          • Daniel Greenfield

            And because Muslim men have the habit of marrying non-Muslim women so there's point in forbidding them from doing it.

            But then your religion catered to the sexual appetites of Muslim men all along, right back to Mohammed.

          • winoceros

            So, if you were in love with a non-Muslim man who didn't want to convert or wasn't religious at all, you would marry him in a civil ceremony or by clergy of another faith?

      • James

        So you admit that Christians are persecuted and you JUSTIFY it. Christians get more then dirty looks, they get killed in the streets. The Copts in Egypt suffer terribly and not just from mean words. You also admit that Jeff's freedom of religion didn't count and that her dad was "pushy." I guess a healthy fear of honor killings is pushy? How about a Muslim girl who decides to convert to Christianity to marry a Christian man? I am sure you have no problem with that, right? Jeff didn't look all that happy when he was pushed to fast against his will.

      • winoceros

        See, you have the restriction, not your brother. Your brother could marry a non-Muslim woman if he wanted, so you argument does not work. It only works if it is forbidden for both men and women.

        So that argument is invalid. What we are trying to get you to see is that you keep using the word "forbidden."

        You are in America. You are not "forbidden" from doing anything you want.

        As far as getting dirty looks, I don't give dirty looks to hijabed women. I ignore them or look right past them unless they address me. They have chosen to be invisible, and I oblige them. They cover and hide their personhood as unimportant and less important than males. They utterly reject the cultural norms of the place where they live and then whine when they aren't treated "equally." They do not engage in the cultural norms.

        Hijab women act as if they're the only modest women in the world…as if modesty without a hijab doesn't exist. It does. The hijab is a visible sign of Muslim men's dominion over Muslim women. Your modesty is intact through your actions, not what you wear.

  • c nelson

    americans how can we give these people their own t.v. show?what exactly are we to learn from this?!!usa provided bin laden a college education!!!! he had the money and we didn't want to hurt feelings……we are being very gracious to give them a public forum.. . i remember some air time they gave us ……remember daniel pearl?tlc you have earned a black smudge that will get deeper every week…. give the viet-cong some air time, after all the war is over and usa is a soft ,generous nation…the michigan muslims .want to be understood!!!?go across the ocean,they walk,talk and worship just like you.

    • Beth

      "remember daniel pearl?….."

      yes I do

  • Beth

    'All-American Muslim’ – Nothing more than proselytism.

    For those interested in knowing all they need to know about islam – read the koran (a very short book – no lie) and pay close attention to the following verses:

    047.004 – Beheadings
    033.052 – Gang Rape of female 'infidels'
    005.041 – Racism
    005.033 – Crucifixions (yes, it actually promotes "crucifixions")
    008.067 – Treason

    …..and that's putting it mildly: muslims are taught to lie (skillfully) to non-muslims (the complete opposite of what the new testament teaches). Remember these things the next time you see an adult handing a koran to a child (a society that teaches its members to have a conscience about lying – is a society that will live better)

    033.061 – Genocide "without mercy" (quote – unquote)

    And there you have it. No need to weed through all of the b.s.

  • Beth

    (And then will come those who say the Bible is no better)

    Modern Day Law of the Bible which trumps all other laws:

    Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

    Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

    (posted for the purpose of persuing their lies)

    Which brings us all right back to the koan and its vicious teachings.

    • randy

      Is that the same bible that the pediphlie catholic church follows?

  • Beth

    WHAT IF? ….these began to be preached – regularly?…..

    "Oh ye who believe"….

    004.101 – When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the MUSLIMS May attack you: For the MUSLIMS are unto you open enemies.

    005.041 – MUSLIMS – are men who will listen to any lie

    005.051 – O ye who believe! take not the MUSLIMS for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them for friendship is of them.

    009.005 – Fight and slay the MUSLIMS wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war.

    047.004 – Therefore, when ye meet MUSLIMS in fight, smite at their necks. [Behead them!]

    ……………..

    What says the 'moderate' muslim? Hate Speech? or "Good education" ?

    Shame on all sponsors of 'All-American Muslim’ who have abandoned that network for lack of viewership – and NOT for what they stand for (but, let the readers judge it for themselves – with the facts).

  • Renea

    Not all muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are muslims.

  • winoceros

    Moors are just the word for the Muslims who came from North Africa and other Arabs who invaded and settled in Spain. They've been there for a 1000 years because they conquered the place. North Africa was Muslim because it was conquered by Arab Muslims. The Turks were Muslim because they were conquered by Arab Muslims.

    What exactly is holy to Muslims about Spain? Spain is not an "ancestral place" to anybody with Muslim ancestry. Muslims will tell you that a Muslim land is pretty much anywhere they've previously conquered. Finders keepers. You will frequently find militant-minded Muslim organizations rallying to "reclaim" Spain and Italy. No one "displaced" Muslims from their "ancestral homeland" of Saudi Arabia and Yemen. In fact, it would be really great if they'd all return there, but I don't suppose they'd fit.

    I did not say the comment you ascribe to me.

    • http://qatzelok.wordpress.com qatzelok

      So when it comes to Muslims, we're rational and critical, but with the Jooz, we talk in hushed tones about magic and mystery? Double standards are another word for hypocrisy.

      The main reason we don't see Sri Lankans ethnic-cleansing Spain and calling it "a homeland" is because they simply don't have enough capital to flood the world with propaganda, and invade Spain with their own Irgun type organizations.

      • winoceros

        Please describe the "hushed tones of magic and mystery."

        They have a country now. They were tired of getting slaughtered in everybody else's countries and figures they would be safer, finally, and the world agreed, in their own country that could be defended.

        How is that magical? Seems pretty pragmatic to me. I understand you dislike the idea of Jewish state. What I don't understand is why you make stuff up. Irgun didn't "invade" anywhere.

        And what does this have to do with the rational fear ascribed to people who notice the legion Muslim atrocities that rage daily around the world?

        • HermitLion

          IT is just saying that when muslims conquer someplace, it's their homeland forever, but when Jews liberate their homeland from muslims, it's a crime (against muslims).
          All fair and square ;)

          • http://qatzelok.wordpress.com qatzelok

            I guess you guys are right. There really are bad guys in the world, and they are not us.

          • randy

            Did not north america belong to the natives? Now they are called christian countries. The natives should take back what belongs to them in the name of thier beliefs.

          • http://qatzelok.wordpress.com qatzelok

            Christians "reclaimed" North America as their ancestral homeland. It was the New Jerusalem, back when that worked as a slogan.

          • laura falcon

            Moron. What a poor choice of words. SPANIARDS came here because they were constantly being attacked and invaded by muslim hoards and were looking for a way to circumvent them. They were funded by the Catholic Church, yes. However, that came later, after the discovery.

            Interesting how you've become a spokesperson for Native-Americans. I'm sure if you knew any, they'd tell you first-hand they'd rather be a sovereign nation WITHIN the States than to be dhimmies and kuffars in an islamic USA.

          • http://qatzelok.wordpress.com qatzelok

            "SPANIARDS came here because they were constantly being attacked and invaded by muslim hoards"

            Yes, and after they ran out of Muslims to run away from, they came to the Americas and found lots of natives to defend themselves from.

            The Spanish were the victims of many no-longer-in-existence peoples.

  • Ghostwriter

    Arab-American Girl,I don't really think you understand where Americans are coming from here. So,let me help you understand. For years now,Americans have seen on their television screens and read in newspapers about attacks by Muslims against non-Muslim,particularly American and Israeli targets. We've seen stuff like the Munich Olympics massacre,the "Achille Lauro" hijacking in which an elderly Jewish man was shot to death and his body dumped over the side. Earlier,we saw the Iranian hostage crisis in which Iranian students held Americans hostage for days.
    Then came 9-11. This was an act done by Muslims against Americans and three thousand of our fellow countrymen died. Many Muslims were seen celebrating those attacks. Since then,other terrorist attacks have happened. Also honor killings and other horrifying things have happened. In all that time,few Muslims have ever condemned those atrocities. Many Americans began to read the Koran,and they didn't like what was there. Child brides,slavery,things like that. Most Americans don't want those things here.

    Maybe,you should walk a few miles in your non-Muslim neighbors shoes,Arab-American Girl. Hopefully,you could learn a thing or two about us and how we feel.

  • Ghostwriter

    Arab-American Girl,I don't really think you understand where Americans are coming from here. So,let me help you understand. For years now,Americans have seen on their television screens and read in newspapers about attacks by Muslims against non-Muslim,particularly American and Israeli targets. We've seen stuff like the Munich Olympics massacre,the "Achille Lauro" hijacking in which an elderly Jewish man was shot to death and his body dumped over the side. Earlier,we saw the Iranian hostage crisis in which Iranian students held Americans hostage for days.