In Defense of Robert Spencer

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No tragedy goes long without exploitation, and the atrocities in Norway are no exception to that rule. The media is hard at work accusing researchers who monitor and warn about Islamic radicalism and terrorism of being responsible for the actions of an extremist and a terrorist.

Is silencing researchers who have put years of effort into exposing networks of radicals the right response to a terrorist attack? No reasonable person would think so. But that is exactly what media outlets like the New York Times and the Atlantic are trying to do.

Jeffrey Goldberg at the Atlantic goes so far as to call a prominent researcher into Islamic terrorism, Robert Spencer, a jihadist. The Washington Post admits that Spencer and other researchers are not responsible for the shootings, but sneers nonetheless. And the New York Times and a number of other outlets have picked and touted the “64 times” that Spencer was quoted in the shooter’s manifesto.

Breivik’s manifesto of over 1,500 pages pasted in countless articles, essays and documents. It takes in everything from historical overviews to his gaming habits — particularly one game, Dragon Age, which features a Knights Templar character — a role that Breivik tried to take on. No one is suggesting that the game’s publishers should be held accountable for Breivik’s decision to impersonate a modern-day Templar Knight, and neither should any of the researchers he quoted while studying up on that role.

The “64 times” cited by the Times and its imitators reflects lazy research since the majority of those quotes actually come from a single document, where Spencer is quoted side by side with Tony Blair and Condoleezza Rice.

Many of the other Spencer quotes are actually secondhand from essays written by Fjordman that also incorporate selections of quotes on Islam and its historical background. Rather than Breivik quoting Spencer, he is actually quoting Fjordman who is quoting Spencer.

Quite often, Robert Spencer is quoted providing historical background on Islam and quotes from the Koran and the Hadith. So, it’s actually Fjordman quoting Spencer quoting the Koran. If the media insists that Fjordman is an extremist and Spencer is an extremist — then isn’t the Koran also extremist?

And if the Koran isn’t extremist, then how could quoting it be extremist?

The New York Times would have you believe that secondhand quotes like these from Spencer turned Breivik into a raging madman.

It’s very important to understand that the Koran is not arranged chronologically; it’s arranged on the basis of the longest chapter to the shortest.

Breivik was using sources to build a picture of Islam. And it’s unsurprising that he would have cited one of the most prominent authorities on the topic. But it is often clear that he did not understand what he was citing.

For example, Breivik incorporated some of Spencer’s attempts to demystify the history of the Crusades, without understanding Spencer’s initial warning about the danger of false ideas about the Crusades being used to spread violence today.

As Robert Spencer commented, “What exactly is ‘hate speech’ about quoting Qur’an verses and then showing Muslim preachers using those verses to exhort people to commit acts of violence, as well as violent acts committed by Muslims inspired by those verses and others?”

Tellingly, this citation is absent from the New York Times piece and other articles. While Spencer and other researchers have painstakingly shown the connection between incitement to violence and violence — no similar effort has been made by those attacking him.

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  • Fred Dawes

    Spencer appears to want mass murder, the fact is the PC Guys will love him. and the real historical background of islam is a river of blood, it started out in blood and it spread with death and rape until the europeans started to fight back after 200 years of blood the koran asked its people to rape and murder all other people. if we as free people just stand by and do nothing our cultural ideals of laws and light will disappear and maltdown into hell.

    the pig in norway is evil he is also totally nuts and needs two things a rope and a tree in front of all the world.

    • skulldiggerin

      And what about the Islamic Imam pigs ?

    • Stephen_Brady

      Fred, was your post misunderstood, or did all the trolls simply attack you because your post was first?

      • Fred Dawes

        just having fun wanted to see what would happen. only -12_

  • http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm Alexander Gofen

    "The attacks on Spencer and other researchers of islam" are betrayal of our Nation by the enemy collaborators like "new york times", bloombergs and other brick carriers for the victory mosques.

    Stop already apologetics in order to please those dhimmies. Do not get engaged in their liberast Newspeech nor do play by their rules.

    Do not apologize for "hate speech" imagined or real. In fact we need hate speech: the real hate speech and the respective legal actions against the deadliest enemies waging a war on our way of life and our civilization.

  • SpiritOf1683

    And how ironic that Breivik would have been a hero to the Left and Muslims had his victims been Israelis instead of Norwegians. They cheer on hamas and Hezbollah when they murder Israelis and made excuses for the 9/11 atrrocity, saying that the US somehow deserved it.

    • ebonystone

      "And how ironic that Breivik would have been a hero to the Left and Muslims had his victims been Israelis instead of Norwegians."

      As it was, there were a number of celebrations in Moslem cities over the deaths of 90-odd Nrowegian kaffirs.

    • muchiboy

      "And how ironic that Breivik would have been a hero to the Left…. had his victims been Israelis."
      Really?Now there may be members of the Lunatic left that may celebrate such an atrocity,but we have equal numbers of lunatics to the right.In fact,Breivik is just such an individual.So name a few on the left who are celebrating the massacre.We need to out them.Otherwise,grow up or you risk becoming a member of the Lunatic right yourself.From your behavior and rants to date on FPM,you have the makings of one.I will continue to assist you in your efforts to become a fine debater.Say what you will,but pay careful and critical attention to my replies.And you could learn something by reading and even emulating the posts of the likes of MixMChess,Aspecia,etc.They are good,competent and worthwhile debaters.I disagree with much of their opinions,but respect their debating skills and much of their arguments.

      " They cheer on hamas and Hezbollah when they murder Israelis"
      See above.There are issues worth dying and killing for in this conflict.Israel and the IDF are not innocents here,either.The reasoned left does not support nor condone terrorism or the murder of innocent Israeli civilians.Nor does the reasoned right support the murder of innocent Palestinian nor Arab civilians.Active criticism is something else again.The killing of innocents as "collateral damage" is another issue.

      "and made excuses for the 9/11 atrrocity, saying that the US somehow deserved it."
      It's been a while,but I don't recall members of the left excusing 911.There were motives/ reasons for 911,they were even published by the perps.Either way,we benefit from knowing the motives and agenda of our enemies.America,having the capacity for interference and intervention across the world,is going to make enemies.Sometimes these enemies may have valid and worthwhile concerns.All in all,America has done far much more good in the world then not,but it is worthwhile remembering that not all that is in America's self interest is the right thing to do.With so much power and influence,comes an appropriate responsibility to act wisely.muchiboy

      • SpiritOf1683

        And that is coming from Naziboy, the ogre who salivates over the Holocaust. You are just a bitter Jew-hatingh little Hitler of no significance whatsoever.

        • muchiboy

          Perhaps you are young,SpiritOf…..,and in time may become a competent and capable debater.I was wrong to advise you to leave.You need to learn,and this is the place to do so.But keep your mind open,and pay attention to the other more mature and skilled debaters here,the ones like MixMChess and Aspecia.Expose yourself to some liberal arts courses,and debate your fellow students and professors.If you are older,well,it is never too late.Follow the same advice above.It may just take a little longer.Good jousting!muchiboy

          • SpiritOf1683

            I have learned that you're a bitter and twisted Jew-hater who thinks Breivik carried out his atrocitry in the wrong country. But then again it was impossible not to learn about your obsessive hatred of Jews because 99% of your diatribe here is anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli. You side with evil Muslim terrorists because you're an evil Jew-hater. Those Jewish-invented medicines and vaccines were clearly wasted on a bitter and twisted antisemite like yourself, not to mention the taxpayers money wasted on providing you with a laptop in your prison cell.

      • Claude

        And this is a debate I am to learn from, planned double speak, out of one side you justify the other, and at the end you say collateral damage can not be helped, my my when is it intentional, when it is nothing but civilians being killing, and dying for a just cause, you are almost as whacko as the Norwegen. You my faultless debater are plain nuts.

    • trickyblain

      SpiritOf2083, many of your posts seem to deal in another world. A world in which you can see what would happen under circumstances that you make up out of thin air, but in reality have not occured. Outside of the extreme margins (left and right, mind you), nobody in the US cheers the deaths of Israelis. No one says the US deserved 9/11. I've never seen the poster you incesently insult "salavate" over the Holocaust.

      Get real. Try writing about the planet earth. You're no Ann Coulter.

      • SpiritOf1683

        I deal in the real world. And in thre real world there are oafish Christian- and Jew-haters like yourself. Only a nutter like yourself could think that two terrorist atrocities in 16 years could make Christianity worse than Islam, where Muslim terrorists have carried out more than 17,500 atrocities since 9/11 alone. And given the fact you hate Christianity, why are you living in a country which is 90% Christian? Shouldn't you be living in Iran or Pakistan instead?

        • trickyblain

          There you go again. Making stuff up. A) Never said or thought that Christianity is worse than Islam. In fact, the recent Norway attack wasn't religious, it was political. McVeigh was hardly a committed Christian as well. B) It's hardly a "fact" that I hate Christianity. It's actually a completely unfounded lie on your part. There are certain sects that I agree with more than others, but I don't "hate" any of them. C) Calling me a "Jew-hater" is easy while you're hiding behind a keyboard. So you're evidently not only a liar, but a mealy little coward. D) Twelfth generation American and proud of it. Family on both sides have been here since the 1600's. I'm not going anywhere.
          In summary, nothing of what you wrote above is even remotely factual. It's actually insanely idiotic. Therefore, thanks for illustrating my points about your posting tendencies!
          Now go ahead and respond to your own delusions, SpiritOf2083.

          • SpiritOf1683

            It is you whop makes things up. Of courste, only a loony like yourself could equate two mass murders by psycopaths 16 years apart with what Muslim terrorists do, and have done since 623 AD. Only a poltroon like yourself could think 76 murders is worse than 300 million murders. And you might be a twelfth generation American but I'll bet you're the first of those twelve generations who hate America. You defend Islamic terrorists by attacking those who attack those terrorists. You are an apologist for evil and that makes you evil.

          • trickyblain

            Back up your assertions, 2083.

            1) Where and when have I ever defended a terrorist?
            2) Where and when I I ever implied that I hate American, Jews, or Christians?
            3) Where and when did I equate what you say I did?

            STOP LYING!

  • lowtoleranceforbs

    "Quite often, Robert Spencer is quoted providing historical background on Islam and quotes from the Koran and the Hadith. So, it’s actually Fjordman quoting Spencer quoting the Koran. If the media insists that Fjordman is an extremist and Spencer is an extremist — then isn’t the Koran also extremist?

    And if the Koran isn’t extremist, then how could quoting it be extremist?"

    That's the dumbest logic i've read for quite a while. And I read an awful lot.

    Ebonystone- care to provide a few reliable links to the celebrations in "Moslem" cities? :)

    • WildJew

      OK, you've got my attention. Unlike Spencer, I don't know Fjordman. Never read any of his material. In what way is the statement "if the Qur'an isn't extremist, then how could quoting it be extremist(?) the dumbest logic you read for quite a while?

    • claspur

      Yea.. that post got my attention also.

      Seems to have miffed you quite a bit?
      Sounds like a very rational line of thought to question the MSM's attack on Spencer?

      (I'll work on finding some links you ask for also)

    • claspur

      Here's one link, and another with-video, of what the Labour Party is doing to Norwegians.
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/07/islamic-interne
      http://www.radicalislam.org/content/norways-demog

    • Susan

      That's the dumbest logic i've read for quite a while. And I read an awful lot.

      What do you find illogical about that statement? It is lucid logic to a logical mind, which obviously you don't possess. Since you consider the obvious to be 'illogical', try reading the filthy qur'an for yourself and maybe you will understand, but only if you possess the courage to believe and accept reality, which is very unlikely.. Moral relativism is flawed logic at its worst, a liberal aberration spawned by wishful thinking and fulsome cowardice.

    • fmobler

      Perhaps you should stop reading an 'awful lot' and try reading some good authors for a change. Anthony Flew's "How to Think Straight" would be a good start.

      The quote simply calls into question the charge that citing authoritative texts of Islam (or whatever school) to illustrate its own extremism is itself extreme. That is not dumb logic, it is just highlighting the dumb logic of the NYT and others.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      And if the Koran isn’t extremist, then how could quoting it be extremist?"

      That's the dumbest logic i've read for quite a while. And I read an awful lot.

      If the following Koranic verses aren't extreme, then what is?

      9:5. Then when the Sacred Months (the 1st, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun {unbelievers} wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat {the Islamic ritual prayers}), and give Zakat {alms}, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

      9:29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

      9:33. It is He {Allah} Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

      8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

    • aspacia

      The Qu'ran is extremist, and quoting the text to enlighten readers is not extreme. However, to quote the text to incite violence is extremist. There is a difference.

      Everytime a Jihadi murders an Israeli Jew there are celebrations in Gaza and the West Bank.

      It appears that you low, are the one full of bs.

  • http://www.boycottscotland.com Infidel 4 Ever

    If the Norwegian monster hated Muslims, why didn't he kill Muslims?

    He killed Christians. Therefore he hated Christians.

    • Questions

      The deceased weren't necessarily Christians. They were adjuncts to the ruling Labor Party. Breivik's hatred of his own countrymen was not religious in motivation; it was political.

      • fmobler

        They were mostly white northern Europeans, hence were Christians. I guess that's how we are supposed to understand the world now.

    • Ace

      More accurately, he killed nascent lefties.

      • Marxist hunter

        Love it. Truth hurts,eh? The guys a nut for killing like that,no excuse,but lefties are killing European mankind. He`s the lesser of 2 evils.Spencer is a top man. Love the guy. Pam Geller love ya ,too!

    • AJ

      So according to your logic, why is Al-Qaeda termed an Islamic killer when all its kills, namely people in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are Muslims.

  • Barbara Drexinier

    "Silencing terrorism researchers is a victory for terrorism"

    LOL…

    Replace that with..

    "Silencing Spencer would be a victory for anyone with a brain."

    • kafir4life

      Bet you'll look good in a burkee. Bet you don't without one.

      • Georgina Wasserman

        you're so ugly when you walked in public everybody screamed terrorist attack!!
        You're so ugly, when you sit in the sand, the cats try to bury you!
        You're so ugly, when you were born, the doctor took one look at you and slapped your parents!
        You're so ugly, when you stuck your head out the car window, you got arrested for mooning!
        You're so ugly, the only explaination as to why you won the sperm race was that the rest of the other sperm were to busy throwing up at the sight of you that they all gave up and went the other direction !
        You're so ugly, to look more normal you need to shave your a$$ and learn to walk backwards!

    • claspur

      You should show less contempt before investigation. (read more)
      Spencer is an expert on Islam, along with Steve Emerson on the terror aspect of radical Islam.("Investigative Project on Terrorism")
      Both are experts in their perspective fields.
      Mr. Spencer knows more about Islam than probably 80% of the muslum population.

    • Joseph Klein

      "Anyone with a brain" would do a bit of research into the Koran, the Hadith and what modern-day Islamic scholars like Yusuf al-Qaradawi are saying about Islamic law before calling for the silencing of a man who has done just that. She may also want to read the First Amendment – assuming she knows what that is.

    • SpiritOf1683

      And you've just proved here that you haven't got a brain.

    • pagegl

      Anyone with a functional brain would be horrified at the notion of silencing anyone.

    • Jack

      Unfortunately, silencing Spencer will not be a victory for you.

    • aspacia

      Okay, now support your claim – what is invalid regarding any of Spencer's rhetoric or texts?

    • Marxist hunter

      IGNORANT FOOL.

  • crackerjack

    Breivik is a pychopath. But apart from a few knighthood fantasys, his ideology is the mainstream right-wing Islamobhobia, appesement and dhimmitude mantra of Spencer, Pipes, Steyn or Broder.

    He consequentially attacked the socialist dhimmi establishment for betraying Judeo-Christianity.

    • aspacia

      Are you claiming Islam critics are responsible? If so, every source he quoted is also responsible, including the N.Y. Times.

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    Spencer mans the ramparts and has singled himself out as a clarion. He is fair and thorough in his research and does not raise the flag of hate. He raises the flag of warning and he does not incite the demented – they incite themselves – they can't help it. For the rest of us he is a beacon and teacher. So learn his lessons well for they could very well preserve you and your families.

  • DogWithoutSlippers

    Spencer mans the ramparts and has singled himself out as a clarion. He is fair and thorough in his research and does not raise the flag of hate. He raises the flag of warning and he does not incite the demented – they incite themselves – they can't help it. For the rest of us he is a beacon and teacher. So learn his lessons well for they could very well preserve you and your families.

    • Fluff

      I agree whole heartedly and actually have the privilege of being able to call this man my friend. He is impecable in his fairness. I have heard him defend the prophet when another antijihadist has their facts wrong. Spencer never resorts to fabrication or even exaggeration. He is a class act and a truly nice man. He is my hero.

      • DogWithoutSlippers

        You know, Fluff, what you say about him being fair is more than true. I was booted from JihadWatch three times for some of my radical remarks, i.e., The Pervert Man, evil devil people, etc., but RS gave me the chance to get back on and though tamed I just express and say it a little differently. He does not hate muslims (as I do), but warns their beliefs are what ails them.

  • Cheryl Linfinif

    Well the good thing to come out of this is that the authorities will start monitoring sites like, if they aren't already, this for its extremist contributors and visitors. In light of the fact that the mass murder in Oslo was committed by a right wing extemist inspired by sites like this, I'm sure all of us would agree that some real oversight by our vast security establishment can only be a good thing for the safety of the country

    • Diane

      It's amazing that sites like this even exist. I was shocked… I only came across it when I googled spencers name after reading some articles about the right wing nutcase in norway. this must the dark side of the net they always talk about. CIA and FBI infiltration if it isn't already happening here looks like a no-brainer.

      • mikidiki

        Sites like this sooner or later will not be permitted to exist .. make the most of freedom whilst you still may .. this is the tragedy's inspirational result for the real enemies of free speech.

        • Francesca Garibaldi

          what's freedom with no responsibility? That's not freedom. Remember the more one does that is good, the freer one becomes. There is no true freedom except in the service of what is good and just. The choice to disobey and do evil is an abuse of freedom and leads to the slavery of sin.
          Christianity teaches us the golden rule….do unto others as you would have done to you. So you'd have to be insane to think that this site is a positive influence to anyone who's mad enough to read and digest it's thoughts.

          • Irony Man

            "Christianity teaches us the golden rule….do unto others as you would have done to you. So you'd have to be insane to think that this site is a positive influence to anyone who's mad enough to read and digest it's thoughts"

            Your conclusion doesn't follow your premise! You'd have to be insane to think that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance that hasn't slaughtered and forcibly converted its way across the world for the last one a a half millennia. Yes, the guy in Norway is an evil nutcase, however, that doesn't stop you from freeing yourself from your own prejudices and embracing the truth that is right in front of you (thanks to the tireless work of heroes like Robert Spencer). Read his stuff, you'll find no exhortations to violence, in fact you will only find the opposite. You will find that he wants freedom of speech and equality of rights for all people regardless of their gender, race, creed etc. By only listening to the agenda-driven dominant left-wing media and not doing your own research on the man, you are guilty of the same unthinking mob mentality as the rest of them.

          • Jim_C

            The problem, Irony Man, is maybe the presentation? Mr. Horowitz has always been a provacateur, and it shows in every inch of this website. Maybe if you are already a member of the choir, you don't see it.

            If I had to pick sides, I'd surely take the side that is quite skeptical of something good coming from Islam. Just given history and experience, it seems Islam is at odds with Western modernity. Whether it is irrevocably, irredeemably at odds, however, I don't know. To the extent that they are allowed, there are also Muslim liberals. And my problem is that I'm not sure Mr. Horowitz and crew want to encourage them, so much as battle Islamicism and denigrate liberalism in general.

            So whether they intend to be the "bad cop" to liberalism's "good cop," I don't know. But their skewed version of liberalism's motivations (they hate America, they crave Sharia, etc.) will ALWAYS undermine their credibility.

          • Irony Man

            I know exactly what you're saying. I've not always been a member of the choir, and even now find myself quite libertarian in many respects; indeed I once used to argue that if someone was truly religious in their heart, then they must be good people (Allah most, merciful, Allah most kind, Allah all loving, etc.) How can someone believe that but believe that non-believers are inherently evil to the point where they deserve death? Well rationally they can't, unless I'm missing something. It's that kind of discognisance that made me investigate, well before 9/11by the way.

            I don't need to stick myself into a conservative or liberal camp to know the truth about Islam and understand what the future holds maybe not for me, maybe not even for my children but certainly for my grandchildren.

            Because I know where the likes of Mr Horowitz come from, I don't let that undermine their credibility. The truth is the truth, and I'll eat of it wherever it's served.

          • Jim_C

            Well put. And I'll say this: my fellow liberals visiting this site post-Norway aren't doing me any favors. I don't think much of glossing over Islam's pathologies, nor of that sort of fashionable, vague anti-Israel (anti-Likud?) stance. Sometimes it is anti-semitism, sometimes it's fair criticism; but too often it feel reflexive rather than thought-out.

          • http://hecatr.livejournal.com/ Joseph Dooley

            The truth is offensive to you deranged Leftists. 2+2=5, right?

          • Marxist hunter

            A bar of soap would`nt go amiss

          • SpiritOf1683

            And Islam doesn't teach the golden rule. How else do you describe a cult that promises 72 virgins to those who murder followers of a different religion? Hitler lamented the fact that Islam wasn't the religion of Germany.

        • claspur

          So, I can put you and Diane down as pro-headlopper, right?

    • WildJew

      What is wrong with this site? Please be specific.

      • Yvette Montre

        This is a site that promotes islamophobia. Islamaphobia refers to a state of mind or a set of beliefs which characterise Muslims in a regressive and derogatory way, resulting in them being discriminated against. That’s putting it very simply. First of all, it’s the targeting of Muslims as a specific group. Furthermore, it’s a set of ideas about them, which are usually mistaken, inaccurate and can be harmful. These then lead to forms of behaviour which are discriminatory in the social, political, economic and cultural realms, manifesting itself in a number of ways.

        Having browsed around this site for the past 2 days, I can't imagine that nayone who is an avid believer in what's written and espoused here would have the moral compass to see how wrong it (islamophobia) is.

        • WildJew

          I cannot say I read this site extensively. Running a small business, I don't have the time. I try to read from several sites across the political spectrum here in the US and in Israel for the most part. I find nothing exceptional from a Jewish standpoint about this site. The articles I tend to avoid are partisan-Republican ones. I consider myself independent-conservative politically. I don't think your characterization, "targeting Muslims as a specific group," is fair.

          Like many Americans on September 11, 2001, I was nearly, if not wholly ignorant of Islam, its founder, its history, texts and teachings. Still, I consider myself a rank amateur. I was fortunate to find N.Y. Times best-selling author Robert Spencer amongst others. I do not agree with Spencer on everything (Spencer is Catholic; I am Jewish) but I think overall he is a pretty good authority on Islam. You say "Muslims." But we are talking about Islam. I believe there are peaceful Muslims who either are not familiar with or do not interpret the Qur'an literally. There are (some) Muslims who support Israel and her right to defensible borders, but Islam is what is at issue. As with any religion, whether it be Judaism or Christianity, the teachings of a religion, the life and the example of its founder are critical to understanding the behavior of its most devout adherents. No?

        • Viking

          "Islamaphobia refers to a state of mind or a set of beliefs which characterise Muslims in a regressive and derogatory way,"

          I can not recall having read a single article in which "Muslims" in general are characterised as you wrote above. I even think that would upset the feelings of the crowds dancing in the streets on Sept. 11, 2001.

          "resulting in them being discriminated against"

          Where?

        • Viking

          "Having browsed around this site for the past 2 days, I can't imagine that nayone who is an avid believer in what's written and espoused here would have the moral compass to see how wrong it (islamophobia) is."

          That word (islamophobia) was only invented a few years back, and probably stolen from the gay rights movement. How ironic, when gays are hanged under Islamic law. And by the way, if we were Muslims, your post would only count half as much as ours. At second thought, we would not even let you have your own computer or borrow one. Instead we would sit there and stroke our beards, pretending we are real important while you and the other women sit in the basement, minding the children. Sounds good? No? Don't give us that islamophobia.

        • Irony Man

          "Islamaphobia refers to a state of mind or a set of beliefs which characterise Muslims in a regressive and derogatory way, resulting in them being discriminated against."

          No! A phobia is an IRRATIONAL fear, and an IRRATIONAL fear is something pathological (perhaps in this instance ascribed to certain Norwegian nutcase). What if, like the majority of anti-jihadists, you have a RATIONAL fear of Islam? That is, based and grounded upon actual research and, indeed, even the words and deeds of the Jihadis themselves and the evidence of the scriptural sources they use to justify their actions? Many imams and supposed Islamic experts have debated with Robert Spencer over the years and all of them, without exception, have lost. It got so bad that a memo was issued telling these scholars to stop debating him! Read his stuff first before crying Islamophobia. Remember, Islam is an ideology and not a race. You may as well have written "This is a site that promotes naziophobia. Naziaphobia refers to a state of mind or a set of beliefs which characterise Nazi's in a regressive and derogatory way, resulting in them being discriminated against"

          Islam is an ideological, supremacist impulse that would see you and yours converted, subjugated or dead.

          • Kelly Crinkman

            another nutjob! board up the house, the eastern hoards are coming!!!! get supplies, ammo, food!!!

            Paranoia strikes deep!!!!

            LOL

          • Irony Man

            The lefty nutjobs don't usually have answers to the truth so they respond with lies and smears. In this case smears.

          • Josie

            let's face it, you're the kind of guy who would stare at an orange juice carton just because it says concentrate. And by extension when an amoral profiteer like spencer says that all muslims should be discriminated against for thier religion, you believe them. No thoughts of your own.
            now that is sad.

          • Irony Man

            You see. Just more smears. (That crusty old orange juice carton joke – was that it – or do you have any more?)

            Let's face it you're the kind of person who looks at a form where it says 'sign here' and you write 'Cancer'.

            Your use of weasel words is noted too… 'an amoral profiteer'. Evidence? Of course not. Where does he say 'all muslims should be discriminated against for thier religion'? Of course, he doesn't. No research on your part, nothing; just rehashing the same old long-rubbished leftist claptrap. No thoughts of your own. How sad!
            Your response is no better than Kelley's, though perhaps not as bad, "board up the house, the eastern hoards are coming!!!! get supplies, ammo, food!!!" which of course is exactly what many people are saying in many parts of the world when confronted with the global jihad, Indonesia, Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria etc. Only she thinks its funny that boko haram and al shabbab are killing people. Though in her head, they aren't victims, they're just being deeply paranoid.

          • SpiritOf1683

            If ever anyone should have been raised in Iran or Pakistran, it is you. Do you know that if a woman gets raped in Iran, it is a virtual death sentence for the woman. Under Sharia law, a woman who has been raped has to produce four male witnesses of impeccable character. where would a rape victim find these witnesses? That amounts to legalised rape because the victim cannot come forward for fear of being killed and the rapist gets off scot free. This is what Western women would face had the West fallen to Islam. Or is that what you want to see here?

        • Stephen_Brady

          "Islamophobia", and to this we can add all the other "-phobias":

          Phobia comes from the Greek word "phobos". Like most Greek words, it has more than one meaning. Most people think that the suffix "-phobia" means "fear". But based upon an analysis of Attic Greek, it could just as easily mean "disgust" or "revulsion".

          So, go ahead and call me an Islamophobe. I DON"T LIKE ISLAM! Dependant upon the person, I can get along with some Muslims, and have worked with them. But their religio/ideology disgusts me … like the Saudi fatwa published,the other day, that describes pedophilia as "marriage".

          • leciat

            i am not islamophobic as i do not fear islam…i am islamsavy as i have seen the "true" face of islam and it is abhorrent

        • pagegl

          How does this site promote Islamaphobia? Is it by by stating what the Kuran, hadiths, and leading imams say? Using your logic, we shouldn't be allowed to quote Hitler and Stalin as a way to show their evil.

        • Jhon of Indonesia

          I for one can't see how wrong it is to be Islamophobe, because I have face the terror of Islam for many times, I am a chinese minority in Indonesia, since my childhood I'm used to muslims(both children and adult) calling "Cinak…Cinak…" whenever I pass a kampung. In my college period I experience in first hand the riots of the native muslims toward chinese, at least 600 chinese women were gang raped and murdered in 3 days, shopping centers where burnt down with hundreds of people still inside!. These are the sources of my Islamophobia, don't you think I should afraid of muslims because of these? won't you hatre muslims if they rape your loved ones? do I have to love muslims because they persecute us chinese?

          • Irony Man

            My sympathies go out to you (I hope that doesn't come across as patronising because I am being sincere). I cannot even begin to picture the nightmare of what you have to go/live through.

            I don't think you're an islamophobe though. Your fear is anything but irrational surely? It is there; stark and real, in front of you daily. Islamorealist.

        • Marxist hunter

          Dont you open your eyes at all,Yvette? Are you so indoctrinated that you cant see the wood for the trees? Some people are so deranged and mentally challenged that they cant see it is true about the Islamification of Europe.Why attack an authority on Islam? You are clearly one of two things.1 A Muslim.2 A Lefty Marxist traitor. Which is it? For the record,Breivick is a monster for what he did and should be locked up for life. I despise violence,especially leftish/Islamo violence.

      • claspur

        They're just your run of the mill libtards, WJ. *sigh

    • SpiritOf1683

      I suppose you would havce also blamed Winston Churchill had Brevik included this description of Islam from Churchill:

      “The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.” – Winston Churchill

    • aspacia

      According to your logic, the Beatles are responsible for the Manson Murders. Remember, Helter Skelter was written all over the mansion.

  • Zooey Ecklestein

    I think sites like this are just a propoganda smokescreen for promoting israels ethnic cleansing and apartheid agenda.
    I wouldn't be surprised if morons like Robert Spencer and even Horowitz for that matter just print this crap for the money. ..and couldn't give a crap about terrorism or racism …but just money.
    I mean if you read some of these articles on this site…they're so full of BS and laughable logic that a child of 7 or 8 could have written some of them…if their brains were twisted enough. Makes you conclude that the average gullable FP reader equally has the mental age of a 7 or 8 yr old.

    • WildJew

      Is it wrong to conclude statements like "Israel's ethnic cleansing and apartheid agenda" are also the ramblings of a 7 or 8 year old? Are you an authority on South Africa's system of Apartheid? Are you an expert on the history of ethnic cleansing? Please explain how Israel compares with the conquests of other nations. More importantly I would like you to compare Israel's example with America's example of conquest and expropriation of the American Indian and the Mexicans, since you are obviously an authority.

    • stern

      ah, such reasoned arguments, such careful marshalling of facts to prove your own point and disprove those you find on this site. In other words, the typical infantile, ad hominen ravings of somebody who has no real argument.

    • claspur

      Hey, Gooey… are you one of those Jew hateing Jew haters I always hear about, but have never had an opportunity to debate/confront?

      What makes scum like you tick?

    • Stephen_Brady

      Zooey, if Israel wanted to "ethnically cleanse", they have the power to do so. Don't you know this? One wonders about your mental age, if you believe this …

    • SpiritOf1683

      Hmm. Somebody else who wishes Breivik had massacred a coachload of Israeli kids instead of Norwegians. He certainly would have been your hero, eh Eichmann.

    • Yetwave

      Zooey: Cynicism suits all but the ignorant. Your clumsy attempt to wield such a weapon only proves that those who cannot think for themselves should be discouraged from attempting to express themselves. Words in your keep are like a pistol in the hands of a child: dangerous to all in proximity but the greatest danger of all is to to him or herself.

    • jack

      You read them too. What's your mental age? I guess it must the age of Aisha when she got married.

    • aspacia

      What about the ethnic cleansng Jordan did in the West Bank? What about the 650,000 Jews expelled from Arab Lands? What about the fact that Jews cannot enter many Middle-Eastern lands?

      In Israel Muslims and Christians freely practice their faith. Both men and women have equal rights. All citizens may vote.

      You have no background in factual history.

  • Dispozovdaburka

    No matter what the New York Times or any other publications may prfint…

    Robert Spencer is doing all of us a tremendous service by presenting the facts to the public about Islam.

    Thanks Mr. Spencer!!!

    • patsjc

      I agree with what you say about Spencer!

  • kafir4life

    That was interesting about the terror guide being arranged according to size. How is it possible that the pedophile mohamat shat the contents in such an order? Perhaps it's a miracle! Or perhaps the quantity of shat decreased over the course of the "writing" of the most holy terror guide the koran. That would make sense in that as his intestinal distress following sex with and meal of his favorite pig (or "dad" as he liked to call him) quieted, that the chapters would get shorter.

    • Fluff

      I would imagine that it was just to make the truth even harder to get to. There seems to be an effort to keep people in the dark about Islam. Not just for the Kafir but for believers too. Many recite prayers in Arabic all their lives and never understand a word they are saying. Maybe it was known that any healthy intellect would reject such a vile ideology.

      • Irony Man

        Islam cannot stand up to questions:

        "O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102).

        "The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions …so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77)

        "The prophet was asked about things which he did not like, and when the questioner insisted, the Prophet got angry. (vol. 1, no. 92) The Prophet got angry and his cheeks or his face became red. (vol. 1, no. 91) "Allah has hated you…[for] asking too many questions." (vol. 2, no. 555; and vol. 3, no. 591, Bukhari's Hadith commenting on Muhammad’s reaction to hostile questioners.)

  • stern

    Just a quick question for the NY Times and the Atlantic. I understand from Canada's National Post that Breivik also approvingly quoted Naomi Klein, leftist goddess. And apparently he approved of her musings (much to her horror). Does this mean that Klein is also a jihadist?

  • flimflamobambam

    @Zooey…Such deft analysis…one can easily accept that you are indeed well-acquainted with the pre-pubescent logic, intellect, and gullibility that is the bulk of your own vapid rant.

  • Cynic

    “Breivik was driven by fantasies of seizing power, combined with steroid abuse and escapism”

    and the NYT and its ilk are driven by fantasies of destroying those it does not agree with.
    We are dealing with a psychopathology bent on control ignoring facts and reality.
    That’s why it’s madness to label left and right, that Nazi is the polar opposite to Communist, when all we have basically is a spectrum of fascist frequencies opposed to individual liberty and freedom of thought.

  • http://historyscoper.angelfire.com tlwinslow

    If Breivik wanted a great publicity stunt to give him his 15 min. of fame, he got it, but he didn't need to do it by taking the law in his own hands and hoping to spark a Helter Skelter a la Charles Manson, albeit with a 21 year max sentence he will still be spry when he gets out and sells the film and book rights.

    The threat of Islam to the West and its culture should ultimately unite the left and right, and all their infighting will be forgotten as they finally change the laws to stop and then reverse Muslim immigration. It's just a matter of when not if. Will Muslims ever reach a pop. level to actually send a swing vote to any national Western legislature? Not too likely, although these could be famous last words.

    Too bad, immigration is slow, but nukes are quick. Any day now the jihadists might finally get what they want and nuke a Western city, killing, maiming and mutating the genetic codes of millions. That's before or after they nuke their archenemy Israel. That's the pressure cooker problem that even trumps immigration.

    Breivik's romantic fantasies about the Knights Templar would make a great movie, but aren't realistic. Only the Winslow Plan for Defeating Islam is on the table right now, but alas, it will take that Muslim nuke to get governments to seriously consider adopting it.
    http://go.to/winslowplan

    Scope modern Muslims with the Historyscoper's free new Muslimscope:
    http://tinyurl.com/muslimscope

    • Danielle Pencey

      Are you worried that if muslim immigration continues unchecked that slowly Western governments will lose interest in supporting israel because there won't be any votes in it?

    • http://www.boycottscotland.com Infidel 4 Ever

      tlwinslow AKBAR!

  • http://apollospaeks.blogtownhall.com/ ApolloSpeaks

    ROBERT SPENCER IS A JIHADIST

    Jeff Goldberg's right, Robert Spencer is a jihadist. A jihadist for American ideals, the Constitution, Judeo-Christian values and democratic world peace. He's a jihadist for God, country and Western Civilization, and that makes him a menace to political Islam and the left.

  • Jim_C

    No one has the right to silence Mr. Spencer. But they can take issue with him.

    This little pose that Horowitz and Spencer have makes good money for them. It's an angle; it wins them fans. It's not quite scholarship, not quite polemic, not quite policy-driven, but it's a little of all those.

    Is that bad? nah. In fact, I think the more one investigates Islam, the more reservations one has about it. However–can not the same standard be applied to any religion–particularly when events in the Middle Ages are frequently cited?

    What happened in our culture to allow liberty to flower? Church and state were separated, and science gained intellectual high ground over religion. Because of this, we have reaped massive benefit in freedom and productivity.

    2 billion human beings call themselves "Muslim." They can call themselves whatever they want–so long as they are not threatening my freedom. I actually trust my country to guard this freedom, though I know that means I must be vigilant. I can do that very well without Mr. Spencer trying to turn up the temperature.

    • Irony Man

      No one has the right to silence Mr. Spencer. But they can take issue with him.

      They certainly can and they certainly do. Though Spencer has yet to lose a single debate against Islamic supremacists and their useful idiot apologists (you can search for the debates on google or his own site).

      I'd have to disagree with you on the 'It's not quite scolarship' bit. The books he has written are based on solid scolarship and thoroughly researched. Everything is footnoted and verifiable.

      "What happened in our culture to allow liberty to flower? Church and state were separated, and science gained intellectual high ground over religion. Because of this, we have reaped massive benefit in freedom and productivity."

      Spencer has argued this himself. In that you're in complete agreement.

      Surely at last count it was 1.2 billion muslims? What will you do should you find your country threatened by Islam through political means, as has happened in many countries? Will it be too late to turn up the temperature then or will you just have to accept Sharia law and the discrimination that brings?

      • Jim_C

        What will I do? I'll fight it with everything I've got. That doesn't mean I need to start seeing Muslims under my bed.

        If push comes to shove, I trust my Constitution, my government, and my fellow citizens will not allow that to happen. I think the foreign policies of both Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama have concentrated on the right things, generally. To the extent that there is a conflict between the West and a medieval religio-political ideology, it is a conflict that will be won on ideas and values–Enlightenment values–not one that requires pre-emptive, multifront wars. Though we must maintain the teeth in our foreign policy–something for which I give Mr. Bush credit at least for understanding.

        • Irony Man

          Well I hope you don't start seeing muslims under your bed. That could lead to some embarrassing situations.

          Obama seems to think he can win muslim 'hearts and minds' through appeasement, though history shows us that not only does that approach not work but that it can never work. He either doesn't understand the driving ideology behind Islam or doesn't care. Just because washington tries to dictate the use of the Islamic lexicon so as not to offend muslims, those followers of Islam don't give a @ what the whitehouse thinks. They're source of ideology has never been the whitehouse.

          I don't agree that America currently has any kind of realistic or non-fantasy based foreign policy but I do agree that wars in this case, at this time, are a waste of lives. But in the war of ideas, any enlightenment or education is going to have to be on the part of muslims, and that is going to be an uphill if almost impossible struggle.

          Anyhow, glad to hear you won't go down without a fight.

          • Jim_C

            I don't see what he's doing as "appeasement" so much as not falling into the trap of getting too involved. To any extent that there are pro-democratic movements, or liberal movements, in those countries, he has to walk a line between A. not alienating them by coming across too belligerent; B. not imperilling them by association ("The U.S. supports them, so we must suppress them.") Plus, it's not entirely clear where on the continuum any movements might be in terms of liberal and/or Islamic values.

            He's killed a lot of terrorists–that's what I want from my president. As far as Israel goes, I really wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't worked out their kerfuffle beforehand in order to play to their respective constituencies.

          • Irony Man

            Appeasement? Hmm, well off the top of my head, he went to Cairo, requesting the presence of the muslim brotherhood, and made a speech that was almost total bs in its content. stripping out terms like 'Islamic radicalism' from national security guidelines, when that is the single biggest threat globally. Tariq Ramadan being let back into the US, trade with Syria, a state sponsor of terrorism, attempted talks with the implacable Taliban, not to mention the whole Israel debacle or Pakistan's little double game or Iran's nuclear programme.

            The Arab spring has all but turned into a sour well of Islamic supremacism, and the next year or so should see what happens on that front, but it seems more than likely that Islamic supremacist groups like the muslim brotherhood will gain power, then, once attained, institute full sharia law. The copts are being systematically cleansed from Eygpt, a situation that is not only just being ignored by washington, but enabled by saying that the muslim brotherhood should be brought to the international table of dialog. Any serious pro-democratic or liberal movements will be swept away. Look at what happened on the women's rights march in Egypt and the supremacists haven't even taken power yet.

          • Jim_C

            And we were to…what? Intervene militarily yet again?

            Here's a foreign policy:

            "Would you like to sell us oil? Please stop chopping people's heads off. And if we or our allies get blown up, we're going to blow you up worse. Now give us access to that oil–chop chop!"

          • Irony Man

            I agree. Historically the threat has usually been enough, especially given by Militarily superior nations. Certainly, military intervention hasn't worked so far… how can the idea of turning these barbaric lands into working self-sufficient democracies succeed when Sharia is enshrined into the very heart of their constitutions? Karzai himself has been backdooring laws not too dissimilar from the Talibans', including one that pretty much legalised marital rape inline with the tenets of the quran.

    • pagegl

      One difference between Christianity and Islam is that Christianity underwent a reformation after the middle ages, Islam has not.

      • Jim_C

        Absolutely, and Reformation brought about Enlightenment, which brought us our modern concepts of liberty.

        Islam has a tradition called "Quietism" which advocates a form of separation of church and state. That is the sort of thing to be encouraged.

        • Irony Man

          Of course, the problem here is that leading imams tell us that Islam is immutable and that the gates of ijtihad are closed. Imams who have tried to reform have usually been denounced as apostates and killed (which makes them the true radicals of Islam really). The chances for an Islamic reformation or enlightenment are remote in the extreme.

          • Jim_C

            It certainly seems that way. But don't forget that some of these imams are also bitterly hated and that many of these populations would like nothing more than to dance to Lady Gaga songs, get an education, live their lives.

            It just seems like the figures who could make a difference are either smart enough to get themselves and their families out of dodge or make terrible compromises for their own safety.

          • Irony Man

            True. It wasn't too many years ago that America was the most popular country in the world to Iranians (though not to their leaders obviously).

            However, also don't forget that even those who move to the west and dance to Lady Gaga songs, are also very likely to be the victim of an honour killing. A practice that is slowly, but steadily, increasing in the west. (Admittedly, the practice is not restricted entirely to Islam but Islam does account for over 80% of those carried out.)

      • nightspore

        More importantly, Islam had no St. Thomas Aquinas to incorporate classical Greek thought into the Christian tradition. There was a possibility of this happening in Islam in the 9th century (I think), but the opportunity was lost. See Robert Reilly's The Closing of the Muslim Mind.

    • aspacia

      Your last paragraph is exactly what Geller and Spencer claim.

  • LindaRivera

    Above article: Not only did Breivik not target Muslims, but he considered collaborating with Muslim terrorists.

    “An alliance with the Jihadists might prove beneficial to both parties,” Breivik wrote. “We both share one common goal.”

    Breivik dreamed of obtaining WMDs from jihadi terrorist groups for use against European targets. And emphasized that, “Knights Templar do not intend to persecute devout Muslims or enslave them under puppet leaders in their own Islamic countries like today’s EU/US leaders are doing.” End.

    The above is what the media should have zeroed in on: Breivik's overwhelming desire for an alliance with Muslim terrorist groups and using WMDs against European targets. A terrible threat to Europe if monster Breivik has people working with him.

    But the elites chose to ignore all this. Ruthless media and elites IMMEDIATELY and eagerly exploited the murders of innocent children for political propaganda by attacking hero Robert Spencer and other heroes who write and speak to warn of the great dangers of Islam. It is incredibly evil.

    The elites seek to silence all those who warn – they seek to put to sleep an unsuspecting public. The elites brought in massive numbers of Muslim immigrants into Europe, UK and other countries. Exactly why would they do that when the Koran teaches that jihad is an obligation for every Muslim?

  • LindaRivera

    When I read about this tragedy I was stunned and deeply shocked that this monster attacked and murdered the children for a FULL NINETY MINUTES. How could such a length of time take place before the authorities arrived? This is a first world country with a modern police force and modern military. The nation's children were under attack. If the police were experiencing any kind of problem to carry out a rescue and stop the dreadful carnage, why were the military not called in immediately?

    Why were their neighbors, close European countries not contacted immediately asking for help?

    The world has a long tradition where in emergencies such as fire, floods and earthquakes, etc. other countries immediately send teams to help the country suffering an emergency.

    If I were the parents of the slain children, I would spend the rest of my life seeking an answer as to why this monster was able to murder the children for a FULL NINETY MINUTES.

    • http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-portland/it-s-those-right-wing-fundamentalists-again Allan Erickson

      Norwegian police patrol unarmed. They had to file paperwork to get authorization to get their guns. That's what took 90 minutes: bureaucracy. Obama wants similar gun control. Think of how many lives could have been saved on that island had only two security guys with guns been present.

    • Questions

      If the Norsemen of old could come back to life and see the moral flabbiness of the Norwegian government, they would be appalled. The spirit of the Viking, tempered by modernity, should reign once more. Anders Breivik is a cold-blooded psychopath, but it takes a weakness of spirit to fail to recognize mortal danger to one's own.

    • lhm

      Agree with you 100% LRivera. Apparently, no helicopters, boats available or on standby for the police either. It took about 20+ minutes for them to drive to Oslo shoreline where they needed to take a boat to the island. This is Oslo, the captial city of a very small but one the richest countries in Europe, not some inaccessible, isolated community or bad weather hampering a rescue response.

  • Iris Polov

    Danielle raises a good point.

    Are you worried that if muslim immigration continues unchecked that slowly Western governments will lose interest in supporting israel because there won't be any votes in it?

    As a supporter of Israel this is my greatest fear.

    • Larry Hicham

      It is a worrying time. And with the liberals trying to corner Israels greatest and most steadfast friend, Rupert Murdoch. i mean imagine if if there was no Fox News to hold the banner in the MSM?

    • tanstaafl

      The scenario you present has already occurred in dhimmi Europe. I pray that it will not happen here in America, but there is not much that gives me hope nowadays.

  • No dhimmi

    Let me get this straight: These are the same news agencies who jumped the gun by reporting that the Oslo terrorism was committed by MUSLIMS?

    And here they are hypocritically calling out Spencer, for what?

    Robert Spencer's factual – and peaceful! – analysis of Islam will endure, so long as there are sane people who will continue to educate the masses.

  • http://hecatr.livejournal.com/ Joseph Dooley

    Has Jodie Foster apologized to Ronald Reagan yet?

    • Marxist hunter

      Ha ha

  • Jean-Claude

    This is exactly the type of sites that has sold the Iraq war to the US. Now it is trying to sell the Iran war to America under the pretext that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map, which is a complete lie. It's not a coincidence that most the Spencer, Horowitz, and the majority of this forum are Zionists whose sole purpose is to wage wars on Islamic nations by portraying Muslims as the enemies of the Judeo-Christian people and their civilization. FYI, radical Islam was created because of Israel's Apartheid of the Palestinians and all the injustice that's happening around the world against Muslim nations. History showed that Jews, Muslims and Christians co-existed just fine for centuries. Today's conflicts are therefore not religious but purely political.

    • stern

      Yawn. Tired old misbegotten BS rhetoric, lies and nonsense. Nobody's impressed.

    • Daniel Greenfield

      When exactly did history show this, pray tell?

    • Irony Man

      What an excremental pile of… History, in fact, shows just the opposite of what you say. The usual evidence provided is Moorish Spain or Andalusia.. have you read Maimonides? Best forget the anti-jewish pogroms instigated by muslims in Granada in 1066 and Cordoba in 1011. The middle east was predominantly Jewish and Christian until the armies of Islam and Holy Jihad emerged and that was long before American foreign policy and the recreation of Israel.

    • SpiritOf1683

      If Christians and Jews coexisted so fiine with Muslims, then why have 60 million Christians been murderd at the hands of Muslims, and why did Pelayo, Charles Martel, Jan Sobieski, Jean Parisol de la Valette, Janos Hunyadi etc fight against the Muslims? Because they knew what would happen to them and their subjects had they lost against the warmongering expansionist Muslims. In fact, if they knew there were such clods as yourself in the West, they'd wonder why they and their men even bothered fighting for the freedoms we enjoy today, and are now in danger of surrendering because of bitter antisemitic clowns like yourself. And those Jewish-invented vaccines and medicines were clearly wasted on you.

      • Irony Man

        60 million christians? Why stop there? Just for your edification: Prof. Bill French of the Center for the Study of Political Islam, Tennessee, estimates that Islamists have killed 120 million+ human beings around the globe including 40-70 million Hindus.

        • SpiritOf1683

          Its not 120 million+ humman beings. It is 60 million Christians, 120 million Black africans, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists, millions of Jews, Sikhs, Jains and Animists. The death toll is around 300 million infidels. And it would have been many more had Islam comquered more of the globe, and we have the likes of Pelayo, Martel, Sobieski, Hunyadi and the like to thank for that not becoming a sickening reality. Think of all the things we would have been denied had Martel lost at Tours.

        • SpiritOf1683

          Its not 120 million+ human beings. It is 60 million Christians, 120 million Black Africans, 80 million Hindus, 10 million Buddhists, millions of Jews, Sikhs, Jains and Animists. The death toll is around 300 million infidels. And it would have been many more had Islam conquered more of the globe, and we have the likes of Pelayo, Martel, Sobieski, Hunyadi and the like to thank for that not becoming a sickening reality. Think of all the things we would have been denied had Martel lost at Tours.

          • Irony Man

            I consider myself edified.

    • pagegl

      Check your history, radical Islam existed before the creation of the state of Israel. Ahmadinejad has called for the destruction of Israel, so, how is stating Iran wants to destroy Israel a lie? Jews and Christians have co-existed "just fine" with Muslims only when they are dhimmis.

    • StephenD

      Jean-Claude. I have a friend with this name only he is a real Christian. You ought to check your facts. Spencer is a CATHOLIC.__I don't know exactly what you mean by "Zionist" but if it means those who believe Israel is a sovereign state and occupies land it has a 4,000 plus year history on and has a right to be there, then I guess I'm a ZIONIST too. Radical Islam was not created because of anyone or thing apart from Islam itself! If a Muslim were to follow the Qur'an, Hadith and Sira they would find at least 60% of it dedicated to fighting those that are not Muslim. This was all established before Israel was even in existence.
      I don't know anyone outside of Totalitarian systems which includes Islamist that want war with others.
      You were a nice little break in an otherwise adult discussion though…so thanks for that comical relief.

    • Yetwave

      J-C: "FYI, radical Islam was created because of Israel's Apartheid of the Palestinians and all the injustice that's happening around the world against Muslim nations".
      The reason why the hook in your cheek does not hurt is because you are insufficiently evolved to be able to feel the sensation of pain.
      The word 'Islam', the religion of the Muslims, means submission. To be a good Muslim (an oxymoron if there was ever one) one must submit to the will of Allah who commands that all non-Muslims subject themselves to second class citizenship if they do not convert when under Muslims domination. These idiots don't play well with anyone else, Jews, Christians Hindus, anywhere that adjacent poulations don't believe as they do.

    • http://www.boycottscotland.com Infidel 4 Ever

      Jean-Clod, you ignorant frog,

      Islam is at war with Bahais, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians AND fellow Muslims.

      I wish for the Islamofascist Regime of Iran what it wishes for America and Israel.

      DEATH to iran.

  • SpiritOf1683

    If Chruistians and Jews coexisted so fiine with Muslims, then why have 60 million Christians been murderd at the hands of Muslims, and why did Pelayo, Charles Martel, Jan Sobieski, Jean Parisol de la Valette, Janos Hunyadi etc fight against the Muslims? Because they knew what would happen to them and their subjects had they lost against the warmongering expansionist Muslims. In fact, if they knew there were such clods as yourself in the West, they'd wonder why they and their men even bothered fighting for the freedoms we enjoy today, and are now in danger of surrendering because of bitter antisemitic clowns like yourself. And those Jewish-invented vaccines and medicines were clearly wasted on you.

  • SAM000

    I'M MUSLIM.
    I'm IRANIAN
    I FIGHT the Criminal regime of the Mullahs from 1979.
    I'm in the red list of the MULLAHS.
    I'm in the TERROR LIST (FTO) of the USA STATE DEPARTMENT!
    The Mullahs REGIME and USA consider the IRANIAN RESISTANCE TERRORIST FROM 1997 till now.
    USA CONGRESS AND SENATE (Both parties) and USA JUSTICE do not agree with this tag against the legitimate RESISTANCE OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE.
    My family is massacred by the MULLAHS.

    I'm for freedom speech.
    I'm for Robert SPENCER when he is restricted by the lefties and Mullahs supporters.

    REOBERT SPENCER or SALMAN RUSHDI or any body else should be free to write his opinion against ISLAM.

    I wrote these lines to show you my background, NOW READ MY STORY below AND ANSWER ME, please.

    IN IRAN, we receive the SMS (at least the tenth per day) on our mobile phones insulting ALLAH, MOHAMMAD, ISLAM, and all the sacred saint personages of the religions.

    From 2 years ago, Iranian TELECOM COMPANY and PTT MINISTRY were confiscated by the PASSDARANS CORP.
    All the Internet and mobile services suppliers belongs to the Passdars and Mullahs.

    This year, we have at least 200 executions because of the Mobile tracking by the regime.
    any SMS about the resistance, or any word against the REGIME in the communication system is tracked, the person who had sent the SMS and the one who had received it are arrested and condemned to death and executed and announced by the regime's media.
    The charges against the condemned victims is MOHAREB-ALLAH (which means, the one who had fought against GOD).

    BUT, NOBODY is arrested for the SMS's insulting ALLAH and His Prophet Mohammad and his book, KORAN!!!

    CAN YOU ANSWER ME WHY?

    • zsqpwxxeh

      Because you USE CAP LOCK TOO MUCH.

  • http://henach.blogspot.com Henach

    "An alliance with the Jihadists might be beneficial to both parties. we share one common goal." So wrote the terrorist of Norway. This sheds light on what flag he was flying in carrying out his terrorist deed, apparently it was a goal shared by the Jihadists, he claims.
    His murder of those the Jihadists regard as infidels also sheds light on this sharing of goals with the Jihadists, that he claims. The media coverup of this shows their dishonesty.

  • http://fawstin.blogspot.com/ Bosch_Fawstin

    Here's my graphic in support of Robert Spencer against the Scumedia http://bit.ly/rpGqfe

  • Edisa

    May God bless and protect and encourage Robert Spencer for his careful and courageous and PEACEFUL research, and David Horowitz and all his associates and this website for having so much concern for the truth and for the Bill of Rights. In order to understand the world we live in, we have to understand how others think. We have to understand their heartfelt beliefs. We have to be able to hold up their varied beliefs to the moral universals of individual human equality before God and before the law, and the immense value of human life, so that we can be wise about events and policies. All beliefs are NOT equal. It is important to search for truth. Truth MATTERS. To blame Spencer for the serious moral confusion of someone who did NOT value human life, when Robert Spencer is motivated by love for life and peace and freedom– that is the ultimate irony.

  • Jo Alex SG

    The New York Times is DISGUSTING, demagogic and hypocritical mainstream news,as any mainstream islamic-appeasing media.All my support to Rober Spencer !!!

  • Yetwave

    To fathom a mind as warped as Breivik's exceeds the ability of the NYT, the Atlantic and probably even medical science.
    Those who accuse Spencer and Horowitz of pandering to knuckle dragging carnivores like me just for the money need to look closer at their own sources of information. In its inability to discern cause for the rampage that Breivik wrought, the NYT turns to blame, just as the paper and its ilk blamed actions of the US for 9-11.
    How is a newspaper, especially the self proclaimed newspaper of record, or a ragazine that considers itself as august as the Atlantic, to come to press and just report what happened? Since their intellectually impaired readerships depend on these organs of information to 'splain why what happens happened, the easiest route to 'explaining', in light of the fact that there frequently is no apparent explanation, is to blame.
    continued…

  • Yetwave

    …contiued
    The instinct when acts as unfathomable as Breivik's massacre occur is ask the big one-why? That there may be no answer to such a question will not sell newspapers. When there are no answers, lay blame. It's always more expedient and in the end will satisfy the intellectually uncurious, smug readers of the NYT and The Atlantic.

  • Irony

    So when religious people suggest (wrongly) that playing D&D (dungeons and dragons) has connection to violence. Or rock music, or heavy metal to suicide (and certainly the Koran to violence) then those "sophisticates" in The NYT scoff, roll their eyes and blurt something about "Neanderthals".

    To quote Duffy: "well, well, well" I guess those religious people and the NYT (Leftism is a religion) do the same thing when it comes to conservative writings.
    But I guess the irony will be lost on them (fanatics never get irony, unfortunately).

    • Irony

      Just to make sure the last example (Koran) actually does have a REAL relation (unlike writings by SPencer) , but those NYT enlighted for some reason refuse to see it.

  • Moshe Pupick

    Tu, 07/26/11 common era

    The Anti-Defamation League, very sad to write, strongly opposes Spencer and his writings. Of course, during World War 2, the A.D.L. did nothing to help European Jewery.
    Only Orthodox rabbis had the courage to picket the White House during Shabbas. Reform Rabbi Stephen Wise urged restraint; we know the consequence of such restraint. Will the A.D.L. ever wake up and stop trying to be good d'himmis?

  • Dan Kelso

    Norway ambassador to Israel an apologist for Palestinian terrorism against Israeli civilians
    This is shocking!

    Here's the article. http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/07/26/308870

    Someone should remind the ambassador, their was never in history any state called Palestine governed by Palestinians. To make it simple, name me one Palestinian President before 1993.
    In the last 3000 years, only Israel has had a state in its current location in ancient and modern times. No other people have had a state there.
    Even with this, Barak and Olmert offered the Pals a state, only to be rejected cause the Pals are only concerned with killing Jews.

    Look at these drawings of Jews from Norways Newspapers.
    What racists are these Norwegians. http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?D

  • patsjc

    Thank God for Robert Spencer! He has the courage of his convictions.

    If democracy is not capable of protecting the European way of life then right wingers may gain more support and events such as the tragedy in Norway may repeat itself.

    The tragedy in Norway does not stop the dangers of radical Islam nor does it slow down the Islamization of Europe. On the contrary, it may intensify the danger of radical Islam as they see the heat being put on the right wing.

    Also, do not forget that it was Angela Merkel, Nicholas Sarkozy and David Cameron who themselves stated that “Multiculturalism does not work.” Those words are not from some deranged right wingers but our prominent European leaders.

    • Marxist hunter

      European traitors

  • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

    Awareness of Facts and Reality must be stopped, if it doesn't fit the Agenda of Islam, and their Leftist friends of Convenience. The MARXIST THOUGHT CONTROL processes, are hard at work, against all political activists who point at DISTURBING FACTS.
    Sign the "Ban Islam" petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/MYSTIC/petition.htm

    GUARDIANS OF DEMOCRACY, AND ARCHANGEL MICHAEL'S WARRIORS, ARISE!

    • Middledge

      Sea mystic,
      Please expand on arch angels? And a propossed ban on 1.5 billion people…….Mindless twaddle needs specificity…

      "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."…….your petition seems to be at odds with the US Constitution…..

      • http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/ SeaMystic

        The Luciferian mind influence expands all good concepts to the extreme, to legitimize their actions and philisophy. Freedom of Religion could include Aztec human sacrifice, to offer the bleeding heart to their Demonic Entity, The throwing of a live child, in sacrifice to Baal by the Pheonicians, would also be acceptable by your blanket concept. Saul Alinsky and his processes are purely Luciferian.
        In terms of Octaves, what most individuals, especially humanist is see only a spectrum of energy and creation. As Shakespeare stated, " There is much more in the Universe, Horatio, than is found in your philosophy."

  • Rifleman

    The murdering scumbag cited or quoted everyone from Locke, to Darwin, to Ghandi, in his 'manifesto.' Spencer doesn't need defending, the ridiculous assertions and positions of the left need attacking.

  • Ghostwriter

    Look,what happened in Oslo was terrible. Hopefully,this creep will get what he deserves. But,what he deserves is the electric chair and a few thosand volts going through him.

    • pagegl

      Not going to happen; he'll get 20+ years max.

  • middledge

    "Islamic researcher(s)" like Robert Spencer……thank you, I really don't laugh enough these days……and Pam Geller feels entitled to compare herself to the Beatles?….. Hilarious….

    Frontpage, maybe a step above the Blaze?……maybe.

    • Irony Man

      Hmm, a little disingenuous as they're talking about the situation not their status as pop stars.

      Robert Spencer is obviously an Islamic scholar of the highest calibre, however, I don't think Ms. Geller would describe herself as such. However, Islam isn't rocket science, it doesn't take too long to become acquainted with it.

  • esperantominoria

    I support Spencer 100%.I am convinced the great majority are not conviced by the campaign against Spencer or indifferent.People forget quickly,believe me,the great majority continue to pretend everything is as normal as before.Out of sight and out of mind

    We must have good arguments to show non-Muslims that Islam is bad.Here are the about 12 extremist passages in the Koran that are of Universal Application
    http://www.antisharia.com/2011/03/14/about-the-ar

    PLUS :The 800 Italian Men who were beheaded in Otranto,Italy in 1480,by the Turks,for refusing to convert to Islam
    http://www.antisharia.com/2011/07/26/800-italian-

  • http://www.acru.com Dr Howard Garber

    Re: Norway's Megalomaniac by Dr H Garber

    I take exception to Jean-Claude's anti-Israel (aka anti- Zionist, aka anti-Jew) defense of global, tyrannical, Islam and its jihad facions. Re the media's analysis of mass-murderer/bomber Breivik:. Were this Norwegian as "anti-Muslim" as reported, would he not have targeted Muslims exclusively? By his actions, however, he was as insanely hateful & deadly toward non-Muslims as are suicidal Islamic jihad terrorist bombers.
    I suggest Breivik appears to be another non-discriminating, hateful, megalomaniac generalist who Norway has incarcerated and may treat as "ill", since they don't have the "death penalty" — an absolute deterrent and essential for this kind of mass-murderous maniac.

  • http://smearcasting.com/smear_beck.html Glenn Beck Muslims

    "Fox News host and conspiracist-in-chief Glenn Beck claimed that 10% of all Muslims — that is, about 157 million people worldwide, more than the entire population of Russia — were terrorists."

    Source: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligenc

  • rhf123

    Perfect! When are you writing a post in defense of all other anti-Semites?

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