Go Ahead…Imagine


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Let’s take John Lennon up on his offer.  Let’s imagine what the world would be like with no countries, religions or a heaven or hell.  Let’s imagine a world with no possessions and nothing important enough to be willing to kill to protect it or die to ensure its continuing.  Let’s imagine Lennon’s world where all the people are living for nothing other than today.

In this world, people will have saved no money for their retirement.  After all, retirement is somewhere down the line.  All the people would have massive debts – borrowed every penny from everywhere they could, maxed out their credit cards, bought houses they couldn’t pay for – because the promise to repay those debts were made yesterday.  In Lennon’s world people would splurge on big screen TVs, using money that should have gone to buying health insurance, but, alas, the big game is tonight while their health at the moment is just fine.

There wouldn’t be much kindness or decency in a world where all the people are living for today.  Kindness is not a form of instant gratification, it’s a lubricant that makes society work in the long run.  The long run goes on for years.  Those living for today don’t care about the long run and thus they don’t care about how society will function any further down the line than twenty-four hours from now.  This world would be vulgar – horribly vulgar – as refinement, as the word suggests, takes time.  Who knows, one might even find pornography on every corner, filth spewing from the radios, maybe even someday a gathering of the best and the brightest in all the land, will declare the vulgar and profane “beautiful,” and name something like “F—k You” – spelled out, of course — the very best record of the year.

In this world you would find the infrastructure going to hell.  Maintenance is performed to prevent disasters down the road and since it is down the road, the people who are living for today are not likely to invest in it.  Instead, monies taken from those who have not yet become enlightened (and thus work hard and well), said to be for infrastructure would, instead, be redirected into the pockets of those whose works are so infantile and incompetent that they could not be sustained except in a utopia where possessions are confiscated and redistributed at the point of a gun.

Besides, who would do the work?  Why in the world would anyone do the hard physical labor, put off momentary pleasure to acquire the skills to be, say, a plumber and the wade in those murky waters when, with no possessions, he can equally “share the world” by sitting on the beach all day?  In fact, in Lennon’s world, one might even find a class of people who do nothing except talk or paint or draw who look down on the hard working and the skilled for being so foolish as to not have joined them in their careers as “artists” and stand-up comedians and college lecturers and daytime chat show hosts like Joy Behar.  The might be an entire class of people convinced that those who work hard have something “the matter” with them and become fearful and filled with loathing for them.  After all, by not living for today – by putting off instant gratification for a better tomorrow – they are throwing the whole utopia thing off kilter.

In Lennon’s world the schools would quickly go to pot.  Educating the child would be recognized as unimportant, since an education is designed to prepare the child for a better tomorrow.  Everyone knows “the children are the future,” and, thus, to those who are living for today, their education would be meaningless.  Feelings would replace facts in Lennon’s paradise, so one might see children who graduate from high school and college completely illiterate and unable to count but filled with good feelings about themselves.  “Self-esteem” and not knowledge or competence might become the dominant “educational” goal in Lennon’s land for an education is for the future but feelings are right now.

As for the teacher, well, teaching is hard.  It’s sometimes unpleasant.  It’s so much easier to inflate the child’s grade, send him along to the next level and make your today easier by doing so.  Who knows, in this world, one might even find themselves opening the newspaper to find more and more teachers having sex with their young students.  Why not?  After all, who’s going to complain?   Those old fuddy-duddies?  They’re so yesterday!

In this world, parents wouldn’t parent.  Why would they?  Tough love is tough and, well, it can hurt peoples’ feelings.  Besides, punishing the child for doing wrong is an act meant to build better character tomorrow.  You might even find in Lennon’s world parents who proudly proclaim, “my child is my best friend.”  Friends are so much easier, so much more fun, so much less hassle than children.  You don’t have to educate friends.  You wouldn’t dream of disciplining your friends.  And if the child grows up to be an illiterate thug, oh well, that’s another day and someone else’s problem.

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  • fisherKing

    sry but I have to say this. WTF am I reading, and what the hell happened to the quality control on FPM?

    • Cuban Refugee

      Based on your post's abbreviations, rudeness, spelling and grammar, I came to the conclusion that you are a good fit in Lennon's Imagine World of today, and in answer to your question, would paraphrase an old adage to remind you that "quality" is in the eye of the beholder.

    • ayin bashamayim

      To "fisherKing" : Your, frankly, extremely stupid post illustrates rather well the pathetic state of affairs that is insightfully described by Mr. Sayet's piece.

      • jihadwatch

        actually fisherking is right. This sayet nobody wrote a piece of garbage.

        • kender

          and you are who, again?

        • Foolster41

          Robert Spencer? I think not. Another name imposter, like "David Horowitz" who posts here to mock the articles. I'm reporting you now.

          • jihadwatch

            LOL! that's funny.

    • aharris

      Imagine in Lennon's world it's become too hard to actually write out words.

    • westmurcia

      Are you surprised?? This site spews out this kind of stupid crap everyday. it's a joke site. People only come here for a laugh.

      • equality4all

        indeed. You're not supposed to actually believe any of it! Ha, Ha, HA!!!

      • alan g

        I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, since they allow you to comment. What do you want, liberal media censure.

        • jihadwatch

          I want to read an article written by someone with at least half a brain.

          • Mo_

            I want to read a comment written by someone who is actually engaging the content of the article.

      • fiddler

        Nobody's forcing you.

    • Rui

      Comon guys… seriously?! "Imagine no possessions"? That always struck me as a monument of hypocrisy. Didn't he sing that out of his 7 acre estate in one of the UK's most expensive counties?
      It's like watching a video of some douche gangsta rapper singing the virtues of chastity, small cars and a non-ostentatious life style, while driving ferraris, partying with "his biotches" and wearing more gold than Mr T. Talk about cognitive dissonance!

      • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

        Who got gum all over your John Denver records?

    • fiddler

      The article describes why people wanted a "rock star" for a president. They did for Clinton and even more-so with Obama. No qualifications whatsoever, I mean dude, that's so yesterday. I fully believe that if John Lennon were alive there would be people that would vote for him for president. When liberal politicians are losing a debate, they revert to civility: "why can't we just get along".

      Sorry but there are somethings that are morally wrong and all the "love" or better spelled "luv" in the world is not going to undo such things as female circumcision, forced abortion, mercy killings, you name it. Some things are right and some things are wrong intrinsically. Lennon's song is too simplistic and lacks the courage to call evil for what it is. There is no room for forgiveness because, Hey dude, nothing's wrong.

      • fiddler

        Excuse me: I meant to say "honor killings"

    • http://www.obamaftw.com/blog/ Tax Guy

      Quality Control and FrontPageMag.com are mutually exclusive

  • Alex Kovnat

    I have heard stories to the effect that Lennon, in the last months or the last year or so of his tragically shortened life, became disillusioned with a lot of what he advocated when he was younger.

    • teq

      He was embarrassed by his younger naivete according to his assistant. He liked Reagan too. Hated Carter.
      http://entertainment.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/06/30

    • Jim_C

      Bob Dylan, at the height of his (errantly named) "protest singer" phase, was a closet Goldwater fan who yearned to be free of the people who wanted to co-opt him into their "movement." His message was universal–not partisan/political.

      And lest we forget about Lennon, this is the guy who said "If you go carryin pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow."

      No artist worth their salt can be easily pegged.

      • fiddler

        Sounds like he was lamenting that carrying a picture of Chairman Mao would lead to not making it with anyone anyhow. I don't see that as dissing Chairman Mao, but complaining that doing that was not acceptable.

    • mlcblog

      He was reported to have converted to Christianity, having had a born-again experience, as had Dylan, but not strong enough apparently in John's case to go up against the likes of Yoko. She had him back in the fold in a very short time.I think that is when he wrote Imagine and other songs of that ilk.

  • TK Heekin

    The Stalinist folksinger/songwriter, Pete Seeger use to make the rounds of the Communist Summer Camps in the Catskills back in the 1940s & 50s. He use to tell the Red Diaper kids, "Songs are weapons." Just "Imagine."

    • erica e

      Pete Seeger is a great musician, great song-writer who, like lennon tried to make the world a better place. what have you ever done to make this world a better place for anyone other than yourself. Dozy git!

      • Chuck

        Look at how the Marxists and Socialists (Seeger's heroes) made the world a better place: Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Castro, et al. How many millions dead? Follow the trail of dead bodies in the U.S.S.R., Red China, Cuba, Germany, etc. and you will find the logical outcomes of governments based on the kind of ideas Seeger endorsed and tried to popularize.

  • tkellybal

    "imagine" is evil. I regard it as the North Korean national anthem…or an atheistic pop hymn. The great William F. Buckley wrote an editorial on "Imagine" years ago. It's worth the search to read.

    • westmurcia

      …because you're an out and out idiot.

    • mlcblog

      I agree. Imagine is an idiotic song.

  • Cuban Refugee

    When Handel wrote his "Messiah" in a mere ten days, he saw the heavens open, and a multitude of angels praising the source of his inspiration. The tortured mind who wrote "Imagine" was inspired not by the Divine, but by the same destructive power that urged Lennon to use hard drugs, and make a fool of himself during his "lost weekend" with May Pang by walking around an L.A. club with a sanitary pad on his forehead.

    • mlcblog

      These are the powers of darkness, well known to some of us Christians….against which we work and pray.

  • aharris

    Everyone likes to imagine that all their cares and worries are gone, but no one in their right mind wants to actually live that way. It's too bad that so many people are actually trying to make our lives Lennon's song.

    • Jim_C

      Too bad? Why? Something wrong about wishing people treated each other kindly, didn't fight over who's God was best, and lived in peace?

      • aharris

        I don't need John Lennon's song for that. You don't need to remove things for there to be an impetus to treat each other well.

        • Jim_C

          Well, it's just a song.

          Thomas Jefferson found the Bible quite valuable–after he cut the "magic parts" out of it. Is this any different?

  • Gamem

    I think John Lennon was thinking along the lines of if people didn't live for heavenly paradise they wouldn't do things such as engage in Jihad for virgins in paradise and wouldn't put off enjoying life today for promises of heaven tomorrow. I think Mr. Sayet believes that without religion or the threat of hell people would be immoral but the truth is that there are plenty of immoral religious people and moral secular ones. Also Mr. Sayet seems to think that living for today does not mean not being concerned about tomorrow.

    • mlcblog

      I think Mr. Lennon was making a statement against religion at this time in his life, saying we don't need it, after he had apparently been traumatized into foregoing his new-found belief.

  • westmurcia

    Long live lennon. a fantastic human being…unlike the moron who wrote this stupid trashy article.

  • Jim_C

    Let's see…

    John Lennon: artist beloved around the world for writing as many beautiful, totally original, universal songs as anyone in history.

    Evan Sayet: A lunkheaded nobody trying to be clever.

    Think I'll stick with Lennon.

    • westmurcia

      30yrs since his death, John Lennon is admired the world over. These frontpage-rag nobodies will thankfully be forgotten the moment they get unceremoniously dumped in the boneyard.

      • Mo_

        If this site is such a "rag", why are you wasting your time here reading it and commenting? Surely a brilliant person such as yourself has something better to do with their time, right?

        • westmurcia

          Indeed. I will trouble you idiots no more.

          • damon beckett

            thought you'd never leave.

          • westmurcia

            how rude.

            I reserve the right to make guest appearances.

          • Mo_

            Another troll, incapable of engaging the ideas presented in the song and its analysis here, and who can only offer insults and name calling. It really is remarkable to see how many people like this there are in the world. It's frightening.

        • trickyblain

          Because it's extremely amusing to see uneducated dolts running around and acting all self-important.

    • Mo_

      Let's see…

      John Lennon: artist who wrote a song that many people live by today, even if they don't realize it on a conscious level; a song putting forth a philosophy that is empty and ultimately leads to destruction.

      Evan Sayet: writer who does a great job deconstructing the philosophies contained in this song, and illustrating in detail why they are not workable in the real world.

      Jim_C: commenter who can't grasp these simple concepts, and so has to resort to name calling.

      • equality4all

        LOL!!!

        If you think this Sayet moron is smart… wow you must really have high standards and one hell of an intellect yourself… WHOOOPS! LOL.

        • Mo_

          You are unable to engage the ideas presented in the song and the commentary, and yet you have the nerve to call others morons and question their intelligence?

          Now THAT is funny.

          • equality4all

            I don';t call it nerve. i call it thinking for myself.

            So you think this guy is smart? Now THAT IS funny!

            Let me put it in terms your tiny brain might understand. Look at your animal kingdom. Just because sheep can make noises and crap all day, doesn't make them smart, and certainly doesn't mean an intelligent person needs to engage with them.

          • cgoplor

            agreed. the same analogy applies to pigeons.

          • Mo_

            You are unable to engage the ideas presented in this article, and so insults and name calling are all you have left.

          • cgoplor

            Look eveyone … A Sheep! …or a pigeon.

          • equality4all

            ..and a very dumb one at that.

          • cgoplor

            I was listening to 1st world war noises in 4 and the records stuck.

          • trickyblain

            What ideas? That a 45 year old song about a tortured prodigy's vision of utopia has actually has somehting to do with people being in debt today?

            Wow.

          • johnnywoods

            equalty, thanks for enlightening us "morons". I`m not sure how we made this far without you. Now how about moving on to "Move on .org"? They no doubt could use your expertise.

      • Jim_C

        Sayet forces his politics onto a song that essentially says "the boundaries between us are artificial, our ideologies are vanity, do good in the here and now and live in peace."

        It ain't hard, Mo, except for pretend Christians like you who are always spoiling for a fight.

        • trickyblain

          Excellent, Jim!

          A new low for FPM…but they'll be back at it in tomorrow's edition.

        • Mo_

          First of all, you know nothing about me, my religion, or my lack thereof. It boggles the mind why a complete stranger feels the need to be so rude and nasty, for no reason.

          Sayet is forcing nothing here. The politics are there in the song. It's blatant. All Sayet has done is work out how these ideas would look when put into practice in the real world. But for people used to empty platitudes, that is something they simply cannot grasp. Everything is about pretty sounding ideas that are unable to work on a real-world level.

          Since you are incapable of speaking to me without some type of insult, this is my last interaction with you. I refuse to engage with someone so intolerant.

          • Jim_C

            Then take the plank out of your own eye before you sneer at someone else's understanding of scripture.

          • guest

            Here is my reproduction of this arguement, using Mo and Jim_C (JC) as examples:

            JC- sayat is stoopid
            Mo- can you actually understand what he wrote? He was comparing the idealized vision of utopia that Lennon espoused to our present reality, and noting the untoward consquences
            JC- sayat is stoopid. christians are stoopid and jujmentle.
            Mo- why can't you debate the facts blah blah
            JC- Me am smart. sayat is dum. Lennin is god. You am stoopid. kristins are dum and stoopid.
            Mo- is that your arguement?
            JC- Me like songboy. Me think you am stoopid much.

            i guess it goes on and on like that. This essay was just a thought exercise, comparing the lyrics of Imagine with our present condition, and noting the similarities. With the conclusion that Lennon's Imagine-ary world would be a disaster, as we can plainly see.

            But to this the libs say: You are stoopid. sayat is dum and stoopid. we am sooper smart.

            Oh well.

            btw- I like the Beatles and Lennon's music, but I am smart enough to know that these ideas as espoused could NEVER work in real life.

  • Jim_C

    Incidentally, if you examine the Beatles' body of work and that of their solo careers, it is one of overwhelmingly positive and uplifting intent, with one overriding message:

    Love one another.

    I seem to remember a fellow around 2000 years ago who changed the world with that simple message.

    • sedoanman

      John Lennon was killed by a culture he helped to create.

      • westmurcia

        LOL, what a stupid comment!! He was killed by pacifism???

      • Jim_C

        And Reagan was shot by a culture Jodie Foster created, right?

        • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

          Ha!

    • Mo_

      Oh, spare me. Jesus' message was not "All You Need Is Love". Jesus' message was, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

      Do you agree that Jesus is the only way to salvation? Do you accept that there is an eternal heaven and an eternal hell and that people are accountable to a holy God for their lives? Of course you do not.

      On top of that, everything Jesus taught is the opposite of what is taught in this song.

      How hilarious to see people bring up Jesus when it suits them!

      Instead of that, why don't you address the points made in the article?

      • cgoplor

        you tell'm! jesus never taught that love is the answer to anything! Besides Jesus was for a strong defence and pro-nuclear weapons. And an eye for eye… kill the bad guys before they kill you and all that good stuff.

        He also never would have voted for healthcare reform. He was also definately against equal rights for minorities, especially palestinians. He hated them. In fact he despised them so much it says somewhere in the bible that the most important commandment is to shoot your palestinian neighbour before he tries to kill thyself. I'm pretty sure that's in there somewhere. Jesus was also pro-capital punishment. 'Kill the bastards', he would have said!

        Harrumph!, Harrumph!!!

        • Mo_

          You've never read the Bible in your life. And you know it.

          While you're at it, learn how to punctuate sentences properly.

          • cgoplor

            what are you doing?? You're supposed to agree with my pro-rightwing positions, you idiot.

            it's us vs them man!

          • Mo_

            Instead of continuing to call names, why can you not instead comment on the thoughts presented in this article? Why do you continue to call a perfect stranger names?

            Why?

          • Mo_

            I'll repeat my prior comment, since you conveniently chose to ignore it:

            Instead of continuing to call names, why can you not instead comment on the thoughts presented in this article? Why do you continue to call a perfect stranger names?

            Why?

        • Chuck

          cgoplor, as Mo_ stated, you don't know the Bible. But even worse, it appears that you don't even know the depth of your ignorance. Those of us who do know and serve and love the Lord can both see through your liberal imitation of a conservative viewpoint, and know how far off you have misrepresented the One you do not know. And even so, even as you misrepresent Him, Jesus still died for your sins, and would give you the eternal forgiveness you need if you would only repent and turn to Him and ask Him. He died to sin that you might die to sin with Him (be crucified with Him), and He was raised to new life (resurrected), that you too might be raised a new man (born again), and share in the joy of His glory, forever. He is always ready for those who would turn to Him, for as the Bible tells us, "Now is the day of salvation" (2 Corinthians 6:2), and "Everyone who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved" (Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, and Romans 10:12-13). Call on His Name today! Seek Him while He may be found! May the Lord grant you the greatest blessing of them all: that you may know and love Him!

      • Jim_C

        Mo, exactly what does it mean to come to the Father through Jesus?

        Might it mean we follow what Christ called the two greatest commandments?

        And might not the tenor of those commandments be the message of the song, minus religious trappings? How do you best love God with all your heart? By recognizing this life is a precious gift, and by loving your neighbor.

        Balance your reading of grandiose and ostentatious John with the more difficult, down to earth synoptics.

        • fiddler

          Another of John Lennon's songs says among other things "I don't believe in Jesus", and that "Yoko and me, that reality". So, that's it, Yoko and me.

          Try this, "By grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, that no one should boast. For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God had ordained before hand that we should walk in them.

          First comes grace, then a new creation, THEN come good works. In God's economy, good works are a result of his grace, not out of sympathetic "niceness".

      • Jim_C

        Mo–"Do you have eyes but fail to see, and ears but fail to hear?"

        I much prefer Mark's Gospel to John's…John's is full of ostentation and seems to excite the whitened sepulchres of the world a little too much. Mark's defies easy interpretations.

        • fiddler

          Try this from John chapter 1. "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, glory of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."

          Or,

          He came to his own, but his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become children of God; which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God".

          Mankind born of God! This is where John 3:16 about being born again comes from. Sorry if that is ostentatious.

          Anyway the truth is what matters, opinions matter little.

          • Jim_C

            Well said…and it goes with what's in the song. Blood/flesh/borders/ideologies…we are all children of God, if we have eyes to see.

          • Jim_C

            btw I always find it interesting how much different Jesus sounds in John than in the Gospels written by people who had an actual connection to Jesus.

  • Michael Canzano

    The truth is we are living in the La La Land of no tomorrow. People did buy homes they couldn't afford. The B.O. administration has gone in less than three years to an inheirited 400 billion dollar debt (Bush administration) to a 16 Trillion dollar debt.
    The B.O. is taking the Russian Premier Kruschef 's advice on destroying a Nation without a shot fired. You destroy it financially from within. The destruction of America will be B.O.'s legacy.
    My question is who are the 40 % who choose to re elect him ?
    American Christian Infidel
    Michael Canzano

    • westmurcia

      and this debt was… John Lennon's fault?

    • jihadwatch

      wrong article, bonehead.

      Change your name to michael catso-storto

      • equality4all

        or better still, … michael cornuto!

  • Michael Canzano

    Where do the B.O. supporters propose to live after America has become a "Third World Country" ? We and Israel are the last outpost of Freedom and Democracy. Eliminate Israel and America and it's over Johnny. Europe is already past the point of no return. The Elitists can all buy nice villas in Fallujah.
    American Christian Infidel
    Michael Canzano

    • westmurcia

      Can you read?

  • tanstaafl

    Sorry – just listening to "Yer Blues"from the White album. What was all the fuss?

    • equality4all

      happiness is a warm gun. Revolution no. 9

      Bungalow Bill …

      great tunes… I think they're all on the White album.

  • Smitty

    As a person who is pretty much on the right of most issues I have to agree with the dissenting views of this article. Surely there are more important things to write about then a song that was written for no other reason than feel good. For the love of pete, lighten up!

    • afular

      Harrumphh!

      couldn't agree with you more there smitty.

      This site is steadiily going downhill. i.e kind of scraping the bottom of the barrell by publishing this sort of non-sensical rubbish really.

      what a shame.

  • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

    Evan Sayet writes like an Islamic fundamentalist would about music. So boorish! John Lennon was awesome. And Cee-Lo Green is great too. But hey, when the Evan Sayet album comes out, I'll give it a listen. Until then, if this is "the foremost conservative comedy," then the field is still wide open for applicants. Buy a ukelele, at least.

    • UCSPanther

      That all you got?

      Down with 1960s counterculture!

    • vladimirval

      Your comment oozes of total ignorance of Islam. We are now livening in a world where most people are living for today with maxed out credit cards, no savings, and unaffordable houses in foreclosure. This has nothing to do with Islam. It is a result of not taking responsibility for self.

  • http://lrightsideofleftcoast.blogspot.com/ Vladimir Bal Cymbal

    How true and important this article is. Living just for today requires the destruction of tomorrow. This is not like living life to the fullest which allows for planning for the future. If there is nothing to live or die for why bother?

    • Jim_C

      Why should living for today preclude planning for tomorrow? Life is a precious gift–live it, now. Don't pin your hopes on an afterlife–loving each other in THIS life is the best thing we can do.

      What's so hard to understand?

      • fiddler

        Hey, "stawberry fields for ever" man! Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds! What about the magical mystery tour that's "coming to take you away"! Excuse me man while I trip out! Peace dude!

        • Jim_C

          I wonder what you think you are sneering at? the mystery and wonder of creation? Peace?

  • kender

    Rubbish? Sayet a moron? It's easy to sit back and say "gee how stupid" or "why are we wasting our time on this subject" or "this guy's an idiot." It's much, much harder to step up and have an original thought on a subject that people really don't consider or connect to present turmoil and THEN get it published on FPM….to the dissenting commenters here may I ask who's paying YOU to write? May I ask where your brilliant rebuttal to anything in this article is to be read?

    Sayet has simply described the connection between lennon's vacuous hopes for the world and what we see today being taught, promoted and held up as the ideal life. The whole of liberalism is perfectly described in "Imagine" and it is completely unworkable as a system outside of the pre-school classroom.

    So to those who call names, denigrate and put down the author without ever finding a way to take exception to the points made in the article I want to thank you for offering up proof that what Sayet writes about in this article has not only come to pass, but that the brigades of the mindless, the unthinking masses, the legions of nattering naybobs with nothing but talking points, slogans and platitudes lacking any semblance of actual thought are alive and well and still lacking a counter argument.

    • Jim_C

      Finding common ground with people and working for peace is hopeless, eh? May as well give up!

      And here I thought it was a lovely, simple song advocating love for your fellow man. Turns out it's a Leftist Blueprint for World Domination.

      • kender

        There is no more common ground, Jim_C….the left wants a socialist country modeled on europe's welfare state with a large central government that controls and regulates everything and is tasked with taking care of the citizens while the right wants a free market capitalist system with the smallest, least intrusive government who leaves people to care for themselves. The left believes we're all evil idiots that must be watched over like toddlers in a room full of candy coated wall sockets while the right believes we're humans capable of making our own lives (and hence those around us) better by pursuing our own ends and well being. The middle ground is gone…..we're down to liberty or tyranny…just because I am curious, which side do you stand on?

        • Jim_C

          The side that says "Imagine" is a freaking song, not a freaking political caricature.

          • kender

            Imagine is a song that can have parallels drawn between it's lyrics and the agenda of the modern American progressive movement. You've obviously had a nerve hit by this article. Why is that?

          • fiddler

            I remember the song about the cops coming to get you. Much in the '60's reminds me of Bill Ayers and the Weather Underground. Never trust anyone over 35 they said.

            Here are the words of another song: "Little country church on the edge of town' ___ People coming everywhere from miles around ___ and it's very plain to see___ It's not the way it used to be. People aren't talk'in bout religion no more, they just want to Praise the Lord. People aren't as stuffy as they were before, they just want to Praise the Lord.

  • Notwich

    IMAGINE ALL THE LIBERALS, USING LOGIC INSTEAD OF ANGER
    SEEMS TOO MUCH TO ASK
    CEASING RACE BAITING AND CLASS WARFARE
    JUDEOCHRISTIAN BASHING,
    THIS MAY BE TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR
    BUT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE
    I HOPE SOME DAY THESE CLUELESS LIBTARDS WAKE UP
    AND THE WAR ON STUPIDITY WILL BE WON!

    • Jim_C

      Not until your dumb@ss turns off the 'all caps,' it won't be!

      • fiddler

        Funny you don't consider the content. How convenient. See, it's not really about logic or content. This is like MSMBC who take a statement about a "black cloud, of debt", remove the words "of debt" and conclude this is a racist statment by Perry.
        They hear what they want to hear. Fomenting emotion is everything. Good intentions are enough. If people disagree, chant and shout them down.

        • Jim_C

          "the content"…of a strawman screed??

          Now you are insulting your own intelligence and I can't let you do that.

    • mlcblog

      Fabulous, but I agree about turning off the caps.

  • Brujo Blanco

    I lived in the 60′s and the song shows us what the goal of the left was then and now. This was the true image of communism. Everything is free. It is all there for the taking. Lennon was a typical wealthy liberal/commie. He made his money because of capitalism then identifies capitalism as the enemy of the people.

    • Jim_C

      Please explain what, if anything, this song has to do with capitalism.

      • fiddler

        How about "imagine no posessions"? or "Imagine all the people, sharing all the world" Now that sounds nice. Jim, this is a song that throws God out and says we can do it on our own. Somehow without God we can find peace. As stated above, Lennon made it clear he did not believe in Jesus.

        God in the Bible is loving and merciful, but also JUST. The solution if for humankind to realize there is a God and they are not Him.

        • Jim_C

          "Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"

          Shall I talk about the camel/needle eye? "Render unto Caesar…?" Come on, you know this can go back and forth.

          Lennon would not be the first person disillusioned by–and yes perhaps misunderstanding–religion or scripture. But I never got the idea that he was in opposition to Jesus or the notion of God–this even in light of the lyrics you quote. My argument is that his songs, and those of the Beatles in general, are consonant with Christ's teachings, not against–but nor are they meant to be Gospel songs. They're "just" songs," darn good ones, too.

          • Jim_C

            I suspect you and I share the notion that using our short time to find/reconcile with God is one of the most, or THE most, important things we can do.

            Those who are religious can be rigid and legalistic, paying lip service but missing the spiritual fundamentals beyond words at the heart of the mystery. And those who are 'mystics' can show a maddening lack of focus or discipline, it's true.

            I turn off when I hear outright blasphemy, too–esp. when it is spoken to wound or to insult. This song strikes me as falling short of blasphemy because its stated intent is to heal and reconcile people. And is essentially apolitical.

  • trickyblain

    Imagine, as imagined by Evan:

    Imagine there's no Berkeley
    It's easy if you try
    No other views, no thinking
    Nobody takes what's mine

    Imagine there's no Muslims
    Wouldn't that be great
    Nothing to make us paranoid
    Until find the next group to hate
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in fear, whoo-hooo

    You make say I'm a hack
    And you're not the only one
    I hope someday I can be like Bill Maher
    And my agent wouldn't tell me I'm done

    Imagine a real career
    Where I'm getting paid
    I'd get paid for writing
    not pro-bono, for FPM's aid
    Imagine all the money
    Coming in to meeee- whoo-hooo

    You make say I'm a hack
    And you're not the only one
    I hope someday I can be like Bill Maher
    And my agent wouldn't tell me I'm done

    • Jim_C

      All I can say is "Bravo!" brilliant.

    • kender

      now I see why sayet gets paid to write and you don't, dicktblain

      • trickyblain

        Guess again, kender.

        • kender

          I can't imagine you'd get paid to write for creating dreck like that…unless of course you write for huffpo, cnn or MSLSD

    • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

      I move we burn this record for the line “pro-Bono.” Bono owes too much money to Ireland and that impinges on aid to Israel! That kind of antisemitism is unacceptable.

  • Peter

    Great work Mr. Sayet, as always.

  • kender

    What strikes me about all of the negative comments is not one of them actually has a counter argument. It's all just "this is stupid/this guy's a moron/yaddita yaddita" and not ONE has an actual REBUTTAL, counter argument of POV outside of name calling and insults. Seems Sayet's piece is dead on…..

    • trickyblain

      Yes. There is no rebuttal to an argument that includes John Lennon's 45 year old song causing massive numbers of people today to be in debt. Or that Imagine has inspired a rash of flash mops. The very premises in the piece of trash are, indeed, so insanely idiotic and devoid of logic as to literally make rebuttal impossible. It's the rhetorical equivelent of convincing a monkey that pleasuring himself in front of people at the zoo is rude.

      • kender

        the comment below from me is to you dickyblain…I forgot to hit reply ….

        • trickyblain

          That's because you're an imbecile.

  • kender

    Massive numbers of people today in debt are in debt because they lived for today, taking mortgages they couldn't hope to pay . Those mortgages were pushed by a system that said it wasn't "fair" that people who couldn't afford to pay back a loan couldn't get a loan to own a house, so they forced banks into making questionable loans. But at the end of the day it is personal responsibility which has failed. People took loans they had no hope of repaying and then blamed the banks. It's like blaming the drug pusher for getting you addicted because your fist hit was free. You shouldn't take the hit in the first place.

    There's no rebuttal not because it's like telling a monkey that spanking his monkey in public is bad but because it's like saying sticking your hand in fire is painful. Imagine DOES reflect the liberal mindset. I am starting to expect that you're a liberal though and as such, unable and/or unwilling to process logic or think critically, so your ability to grasp the article was already compromised. Expecting you to understand it is like expecting a tortoise to fly, a fish ride a bike or a politician to not spend.

    • trickyblain

      This article requires zero critical thinking. In order for it to make sense, it requires the reader to be doctrinaire, which diminishes critical thinking ability. The reader must reflexively believe that the "half" of the country that Sayet claims "live for today" and are in debt as a result are liberals. Thus, the other half believe in personal responsibility — they are shining examples of mankind because they didn't vote for Obama. "They" are "conservatives." Only from there can Sayet claim that Lennon is reflective of the liberal mindset, and that it has led to horrible things as a result.

      Of course, a small amount of critical thinking — and readily available information — leads one to realize that the credit crisis did not have political prejudice. People lost jobs and couldn't pay their mortgages. Housing prices were out of control then tanked. Banks, contrary to the "forced" myth, were more than happy to grant junk loans then sell them off. And there were many who knowingly got over their heads. But they are just a very small part of the story. CRitical thinking tells us that just as many "conservatives" were hurt as liberals.

      A bit more critical thinking tells us that Lennon wasn't talking this immediate second when singing "living for today." In context, he's talking about religion. He's asking us not to do things in this life just for reward in the next (i.e., blowing oneself up to kill Jews for Allah's glory).

      Critical thinking also leads to questions about the 'personal responsibility" crowd. Why do so many writers on this site talk about personal responsibility, when virtually every article blames others for all the problems of the world?

      • kender

        yes of course the housing crisis had people from across the spectrum, but here's the thing, those who actually acted conservatively did NOT fall victim to a mortgage they couldn't afford to pay. It all goes back to personal responsibility. And yes the writers on this site often speak of it and blame others for the problems of the world. You'll notice nobody blames others for their own problems. See the difference?

        One doesn't have to believe half the country lives for today. You're missing the point. This song reflects perfectly the ideals of liberalism. That's what this article is about. The ideals in the song have been pushed by the liberals in America and you can look around and make the connections between what is in reality and what's wished for in the song, IF you can indeed think critically. Apparently that is beyond your reach, tricky, and as you seem unable to process logic, assess reality and have a coherent argument I imagine we've no more to say to each other, but thank you for playing, your gifts for being a contestant are a shiny new helmet and a dry drool bib. Please see the usher at the door.

        • Jim_C

          Since when are strawman arguments "thinking critically?"

          You may want to consult a dictionary on the definition of "logic," because if you actually think one can use "logic" to draw a connection between these song lyrics and the housing crisis, I'm fairly certain you weren't paying attention–and there isn't anyone who actually respects logic, itself, or the notion that words have meaning, who could disagree . This glorious strawman of an article may be "clever" to you, but it is obviously fallcy-ridden. Do you really care about logic, or are you just intimidated by intelligence?

          • kender

            Jim, if you have a rebuttal or can point out a fallacy feel free to do so….all I hear is "this is stupid" without any honest arguments against the idea that Imagine does NOT reflect the liberal worldview. It must be hard to suffer from such an extreme case of cranialrectalitis. Hopefully they find a cure for you someday.

          • trickyblain

            You've been eviscerated in all of your arguments justifying this nonsensical article, so you're clinging to an abstract, totally subjective idea ("liberal mindset"), but the article attempts to make it real world.

            In fact, no liberal American prominent politician has attempted to ban religion. No liberal prominent politician has submitted a bill to ban possessions. No prominent liberal politician has publicly said he/she wants to ban countries.

            You are left with only your idea — your fevered delusion — of some sort of connection.

          • kender

            the liberal mindset is not an abstract concept. Christianity has been under attack in the west for years (witness the lawsuits against crosses and nativity displays) and as for banning possessions and countries the jealousy against "the rich" is all that's needed to show an envy toward those with possessions (not to mention the movement toward higher taxes and existing luxury taxes based in envy of the rich) and you get as close as you will to outright banning of possessions and the open borders groups fighting against border security and immigration enforcement is the perfect example on the subject of banning countries. Just read their propaganda.

            Just because you deny the veracity of the connection between this song and liberalism doesn't mean it does not exist. As I said before, you're unable to grasp the logic here so there's no sense in even speaking about it. As I said before, none of you have any actual counter argument counter argument other than insults. Typical liberals.

          • trickyblain

            You say I'm a "typical liberal." And you're right.

            Yet I don't believe a single thing that you ascribe to liberals. And I would not vote for a person who espouses your strawman beliefs. Nor would that vast majority of "typical liberals." That's why you don't see any of the items you ascribe as proposed policy.

            And it's true hilarity to see a chump whining about "insults" after starting a discussion by calling me a profane, infantile name (dickyblain).

          • kender

            I am not whining about the insults, I am laughing about them. So you don't believe in income redistribution?

    • mlcblog

      ..ability to grasp the article was compromised…(in between tokes)

      That's good!!

  • waterwillows

    Nah…..I don't think I want to "imagine" that kind of world here. We already have plenty of wingnuts promoting that kind of evil and Always for our 'own good'.
    Me, I'll take plain old reality with all of it's troubles and trials. It's a whole lot more work and it doesn't sound as pretty, but it is at least…. workable.

  • Celeste

    Good piece – Spot on. Bunk the haters. Their reaction just means you hit a nerve. Looks like it was a nice deep nerve too. Nice Job!

    • Jim_C

      Yep, it's all about driving a wedge between people, isn't it?

  • Malcolm

    I am always amazed at the first line,"Imagine there's no heaven." Obviously, heaven either exists or does not exist as an objective fact. If it exists, imagining won't back it go away – though it might lengthen the odds against your getting there.
    And why, for the life of me, does he think it would be a good thing? I can understand a person declaring sadly, "All this idea of a happy and immortal sweet-by-and-by is all very pretty, but I can't see any evidence for it." But I wouldn't expect him to be happy about it!
    It seems to me that the Lennons of this world wish to imagine the absence of heaven because they also wish the absence of God. They would prefer to give up their hope of a hereafter, provided they can do without God in this life. The tragedy is, they will get their wishes – one way or the other.

  • mlcblog

    I can see how Sayet's ramblings here would offend many. JL is idolized in general and his followers cannot dissect an article like this. It's beyond that mindset.

    • Jim_C

      I'm never offended by an intelligent argument. I am offended by ignorance and simple meanness, and that's what this article traffics in.

  • RanRemRx

    Would someone please give my number to John Galt?
    -RRR

    Lunkhead?, Moron?, and the piece de resistance
    calling censorship "quality control"…