Horowitz: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Are ‘Idiots’

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Reprinted from Newsmax.

Conservative activist and author David Horowitz tells Newsmax that the Occupy Wall Street protesters are “morons” being exploited by the organized left.

He also says the Republican presidential candidate could win in a landslide in 2012, warns that the Democrats are “character assassins” who will vilify their GOP rival, and predicts that the tea party will play a huge role in the outcome.

Horowitz is the founder of the David Horowitz Freedom Center and editor of FrontPage Magazine. His latest book is “A Point in Time: The Search For Redemption in This Life and the Next.”

The Freedom Center’s stated mission is to “combat the efforts of the radical left and its Islamist allies to destroy American values in a time of terror.” The organization will convene its annual Restoration Weekend in South Florida beginning on Nov. 17.

In an exclusive interview with Newsmax.TV, Horowitz, a former radical leftist who converted to conservatism in the 1980s, was asked about the Occupy Wall Street protesters and their ongoing demonstrations in Manhattan and elsewhere.

“They are idiots,” Horowitz declares.

“If you’ve watched their interviews you know that they’re morons. But what is behind them is ACORN, George Soros, and the core of the Democratic Party. That’s why we ought to pay attention to them.”

As to whether the Occupy movement has been spontaneous or manipulated by the organized left, Horowitz says: “I think it’s both. It’s like a chicken-and-an-egg question.

“Some of the motivation must have been that the Democrats have created this horrific situation in our education system, where you get what looks like a free ride because there are all these student loans, and it’s not a free ride.

“So you have these kids, they’ve got a $100,000 debt and there are no jobs, thanks to the Democrats. So that became an occasion, and once there’s a happening — the first Occupy Wall Street — then these big unions come in behind it, there’s money there, and ACORN. So there’s already a very organized left and it grows.

“When you’re 20 years old and kind of stupid, you want to be involved in what’s happening. It’s exciting. We’re making history. No you’re not. You’re just dirtying the streets and the neighborhood.”

Asked about the Occupy Wall Street movement’s future, Horowitz responds that it’s fueled by the old left “that was demoralized by the collapse of socialism and was dormant for a few years, and then came back. We can expect this to go on and on in the future. You’re not going to persuade them. They’re going to be there.”

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  • Rifleman

    Look at the mess they make of a few parks and public places and it's easy to imagine the mess they would make if the country was turned over to them. It's no wonder their teachers in the executive and judicial branches are making the mess of it they are.

    If I'd sat through 12 years of our high dollar public school education, then ran up $100K of debt getting a degree from a university, and was no better educated than they are, I'd be PO'd too. Horowitz is right though, ignorance doesn't cover it for most of them, they're just stupid. There's no cure for that.

    • BS77

      Stupid is as stupid does. What does OWS offer? broken windows, trashed out public parks, garbage strewn streets and hysterical ranting. What a gift to the nation.

      • Herman Caintonette

        Kind-of like our Founding Fathers….

        • Ghostwriter

          I hate to break it to you,but the Founding Fathers were learned men,capable of expressing their views in a coherent manner. The Occupy Wall Street people are barely able to express their opinions coherently,if at all.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.

            Thomas Jefferson would be OWS today:

            "The property of this country [pre-Revolution France] is absolutely concentred in a very few hands, having revenues of from half a million of guineas a year downwards. These employ the flower of the country as servants, some of them having as many as 200 domestics, not laboring. They employ also a great number of manufacturers and tradesmen, and lastly the class of laboring husbandmen. But after all there comes the most numerous of all classes, that is, the poor who cannot find work. I asked myself what could be the reason so many should be permitted to beg who are willing to work, in a country where there is a very considerable proportion of uncultivated lands? These lands are undisturbed only for the sake of game. It should seem then that it must be because of the enormous wealth of the proprietors which places them above attention to the increase of their revenues by permitting these lands to be labored. I am conscious that an equal division of property is impracticable, but the consequences of this enormous inequality producing so much misery to the bulk of mankind, legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property, only taking care to let their subdivisions go hand in hand with the natural affections of the human mind. The descent of property of every kind therefore to all the children, or to all the brothers and sisters, or other relations in equal degree, is a politic measure and a practicable one. Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right. The earth is given as a common stock for man to labor and live on. If for the encouragement of industry we allow it to be appropriated, we must take care that other employment be provided to those excluded from the appropriation."
            http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl

          • JEM

            Heman Caintonette needs to read Demonic by Ann Coulter and read it with an open mind. However once someone moves to the left or is raised in it, the mind fog sets in and it is not easy to get out ot it. Sorry about that.

          • Herman Caintonette

            I've been exposed to enough of the Coultergeist's copyrighted idiocy to last me several lifetimes.

            The functional definition of a modern Republican is that he is more faithful to his dogma than his wife. You have become so trapped in your Faux "News" bubble that you have lost all perspectives.

            When someone moves to the hard right, the mind fog sets in and it is not easy to get out of it. Sorry about that.

          • Blaze Pascal

            so you admit that the Founders were learned and eloquent men, while the ows are illiterates who couldn't read let alone write the above paragraph. Thanks for making his point.

          • Herman Caintonette

            Thomas Jefferson, arguably the most learned and eloquent man of his age, wrote the first draft of the Declaration, as well as the French Declaration of the Rights of Man (John Dickenson is credited with the final work on the Declaration). In the French version, Jefferson wrote (as translated): "A common contribution is essential for the maintenance of the public forces and for the cost of administration. This should be equitably distributed among all the citizens in proportion to their means.

            In a letter to his nephew, Jefferson explained what he had in mind: a tax on wealth that increased geometrically. http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/P/tj3/writings/brf/jefl… As a robust public commons is an essential prerequisite of capitalism, it has to be paid for somehow, and those who receive disproportionate benefit should bear a disproportionate burden. Why are you right, and Jefferson, wrong?

          • Blaze Pascal

            Yes that's what I thought. Jefferson is describing the exact economic system that now exists in the United States . I'm glad the old man can rest easy in his grave. Now go and explain this to the ows shivering in their tents.

          • Western Canadian

            Don’t expect this hater to actually know or understand anything…. With his skull full of pc mush, can’t expect anything from him.

        • BS77

          Take a long walk on a short pier HER-man….your only talent is to be contrary…to logic, facts, history or common sense. OWS is a pile of garbage and you know it, but keep on with your drivel…someone might agree with you.

          • Herman Caintonette

            The peasants are revolting, eh?

          • Blaze Pascal

            yes Germ, you are revolting

        • stern

          Please do not respond to this poster. It is a vile anti-Semite that has openly advocated on these pages, for the murder of Jewish children simply because they are Jewish. Bacteria like this can only thrive when in the spotlight. By depriving it of the light it so desires, we can cause it to wither and die – or at least go somewhere else.

          • http://www.contextflexed.com Flipside

            If that's true then why don't you just ignore Muslims and Islam?

  • Anamah

    Now anyone can see how dire are the Communists and Nazislamics working together to poison this magnificent country that does not yet realize the plot that is underway. There are still people who watch TV and read the newspaper without learning anything, because the news in the media do not tell what happens. Wake up Americans!!! You need to defend yourselves saving your freedom and American way of life which is the most beautiful way to live enjoying opportunities to pursuit happiness. Take care of your country!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlvEptmF434 JasonT

    These flea baggers are the community organiser's wet dream.
    Who says Obama doesn't have a vision?

  • mrbean

    Now this article is unfair because I talked to one of the protestors the other day and he said quote: "Ah wants youse tah know Ah beez edjumacated and Ah ain't no ignorant non-union scab."

    • Stargate

      That about sums up how uneducated they (OWS Protesters) are!

      • tagalog

        "Iggerent," not "ignorant." That "n" after the "g" is just too hard.

        • Stargate

          Are you sure that you have the right posting that you're responding to? Replying to me & not to "mrbean?" Need to make sure next time that you're pressing the right reply button. It's the one above My Screename

          • tagalog

            You're right. My error.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Ignorance and stupidity are your stock in trade.

      • Western Canadian

        Are you going to sue for theft of intellectual (?) property???

        • Herman Caintonette

          With you as my client….

  • montlasky

    How about getting Caroline Glick and Mellanie Phillips onside?

    • aspacia

      They both would come if there are no scheduling conflicts. Phillips would be better off relocating to the US considering the crap she has to tolerate in the UK for simply stating facts.

  • Mick60

    If memory serves me correctly, wasn't it John Wayne who once said:

    "Life is tough. It's tougher if you're stupid."

  • davarino

    I think OWS is just the tip of the iceberg of what the left are willing to do in order to keep Obama in office. I hope it doesnt get ugly. Lets see how much the left believes in democracy.

    • Blaze Pascal

      The Left believes in taking power, period.

  • Mick60

    davarino:
    You're right on target but, as is usually the case when the Left desires power in a democracy, their initial efforts are covert – moving through the electoral process as other candidates, establishing their bona fides by appealing to the least politically astute (primarily students) through mantras of "HOPE AND CHANGE", promising the electorate everything (job growth, an end to poverty, an end to lobbyists, an end to war, etc), and being personable. However, once power is attained, they will stop at nothing to retain it. Thus you read about efforts to use the labor unions and their minions as their shock troops, their efforts to ramp up gun control (Hitler did the same, as did most other dictators), begin efforts to control the media (including the Internet), and demonize their opponents. (to be continued)

  • Mick60

    davarino (cont'd):

    It's coming: the election of 2012 will be nasty, violent, and contentious. The 'Occupy' movement is but a dry run for next summer and early fall. They will not go easily, so we must be prepared to take this country back…by any means necessary. Like the OWS crowd which has been duplicated in various (mostly northern and liberal) cities in America, those of us who have heretofore relied on our elected officials and law enforcement to take care of these problems must be prepared and willing to confront a possible effort by the left to steal the 2012 election or derail it by postponing it. It is time to be vigilant. As much as I'd hate this to happen, the way things are going it's entirely conceivable we may have to act as a counterforce in our towns, in our cities to chaos and anarchy next summer/fall. Keep your weapons at the ready and your powder dry. Begin stockpiling food and critical medicines. It's not too soon.

  • NotaBene

    David Horowitz calling someone a moron is like a toad calling me ugly.

    • Herman Caintonette

      AMEN! David "did too much LDS back in the Sixties."

      • BS77

        LDS….latter day saints? The Mormons? Herman….go back to your hole in the ground.

        • Herman Caintonette

          It's a line from Star Trek IV.

          • Western Canadian

            Yes, kirk used a phrase he didn’t really understand. Rather like your each and every pathetic post.

          • Blaze Pascal

            Germ does most of his research in reruns of old TV shows. He can quote Captain Jerk on just about any topic.

    • kevinh

      So what's your point? That the EPA and labor unions, both Democratic causes, haven't played some role in driving jobs overseas and to Mexico, and these OWS folks looking for an answer to "why?" aren't applying any critical thinking skills to come up with either the answer or any solutions (besides hate & blame). I suppose communism is the only answer to the problem that the left as created; there needs to be strict export controls on jobs and people in this country.

      Any $100K basket-weaving degree should qualify you to do any job, as long as your political ideology is "aligned" with the 0.5% that is OWS. You do not have any rights to what you produce however, that belongs to the GA.

      • Herman Caintonette

        America embraced Hamiltonian targeted protectionism for over 150 years. What drove jobs to the Third World was labor arbitrage, facilitated by the obliteration of that sound policy by globalists who have been waging war on the middle class for 30 years … and now, we are a fascist banana republic.

        It happened on our watch, and it's high time that we do something about it.

      • NotaBene

        The haven't driven jobs overseas, no. What's caused the economic devastation of the United States is simply the mutant form of capitalism (which even its defenders refer to as 'end-stage capitalism', as if it were a cancer) that we have now after abandoning economic sense under Reagan.

        • Herman Caintonette

          A capitalist economy has a natural tendency to devolve into a fascist plutocracy. Government is intended to prevent this; ours has failed.

          As much as I like RR, he was a moron when it came to economics.

          • Western Canadian

            Something about a jew hating moron, referring to an honourable man like rr as a moron, is actually very funny. When it comes to economics (and everything else), you are the moron.

    • Stephen_Brady

      Since we have never seen you, we can't properly compare you to a toad, can we?

      • Herman Caintonette

        We've seen Horowitz, and toads are more attractive.

        • Western Canadian

          We’ve seen your sick and evil mind through your posts. Beyond ugly.

    • tagalog

      If a toad calls you ugly, that doesn't automatically mean you're not ugly, you know.

    • pagegl

      Typical response from someone who is still stuck in the morass known as the left. Folks call Horowitz a traitor and stupid and whatever primarily because he left their stupidity behind. Like Horowitz, I was a leftist back when (not as far left as he was however). Like him I found out what the left is really all about. Mediocrity is the best of it; destruction of anything positive is the worst.

      • johnnywoods

        pagegl, It sounds like you have been reading my mail. I used to be a democrat until I woke up one morning and realized the Party had left(no pun intended) me. I have not voted for one of those fools since 1984.

      • Herman Caintonette

        I left Horowitz's stupidity behind. I'm a libertarian by inclination, but unlike most of the people here, I am more faithful to my wife than my dogma. The verdict of history is an obvious one, and we can't keep going on the oligarchs' path without courting violent revolution.

        • Western Canadian

          No, you have left intelligence, study, and experience behind. Horowitz has used all three to get where he is, while you have used ignorance and a bloated ego to wallow in stupidity.

    • Western Canadian

      And what else would a toad call a sock-puppet??

  • jacob

    I wonder whether most responsible old enough Americans remember CASTRO's
    ascent to power in CUBA and the subsequent bloodbath that happened, in spite
    of the leftist media then trying to justify it…
    32 years later, under CASTRO's guidance, a COMMUNIST sold the Venezuelans
    the same bill of goods under the same TROJAN HORSE of "CHANGE" ….
    And in 2008, another "Socialist" sold us Americans the same bill of goods under
    the same TROJAN HORSE of his 'CHANGE", which a legion of morons bought
    lock, stock and barrel and are still not realizing that the "CHANGE" they got from
    this conceited nullity was just a jump off the frying pan and straight into the fire….

  • StephenD

    I don't think they are so much "stupid" as misguided. If there were a way to unmask for them the forces behind the scenes that would use them as so much cannon fodder and toss them aside when they are done with them, perhaps we could actually turn this thing on its head. What if these, our children, were to get hold of the truth? Imagine turning all that energy and determination into a real positive force for good. When I was a young man, this is what Military Service meant for many of us. Our folks hoped going in would “urn us into men" as it were. For many of us it worked. We grew up fast. We learned to believe in something bigger than ourselves. We knew loyalty first hand. For some, the lessons were dramatically stark. In the face of real evil seeing death and destruction; people living the ultimate end of the system they currently wish to usher in.

    So now, the challenge is on us to disseminate the truth to them. Flip this thing on its ugly head. Convert them if possible.

    The truth…still the strongest weapon out there.

    • AAC

      It will be hard to break through the incredible ego boost they are experiencing. Who wants to go back to being unimportant and not having any influence? They need to be validated and politely moved to cleaner quarters.

    • Herman Caintonette

      Sadly, you are not capable of functioning in that role.

      Even Limbaugh admits that America is no longer a meritocracy.

    • mlcblog

      Some are stupid, some misguided, and some are totally on purpose. Those are the ones who have organizing meetings with the top elite of the communists and anarchists who are organizing this protest. Do not be naive.

      But I agree with you. The Truth is the best thing we have going for us, and our job is to influence people to see it.

  • jacob

    DON'T BOTHER REVIEWING IT, AS I KNOW POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IN
    ACTION WHEN I SEE IT….

    THAT IS MY OPINION OF OBAMA.
    HOW ABOUT PROVING ME WRONG ????

  • Mick60

    It seems like I've read where there are between 300 million and 400 million weapons in the United States. My guess is they're NOT owned by the left and those who are 'Occupying' a few (mostly) northern and liberal cities. I would strongly suggest those folks give some serious consideration to what they're doing and what they might be fooled into doing next summer and fall to advance Comrade Maobama's election chances. Do the math: millions of armed veteran's with combat training against a clueless – yet loud – and spoiled, ragtag bunch of ungrateful, egocentric, Marxist-wannabees. I rest my case. All I can say to them is "keep it up, but don't start whining about your 'civil rights' when others begin protecting themselves from your self-indulgent tantrums.

  • AAC

    David is like a reformed smoker talking about smokers. He knows what they're about.

    A lot of what fuels the OWS kids is a sense of being important. Who wouldn't love being so important that they appear on the news daily? Ego drove the babyboomers, and now it's driving these kids — all veiled, of course, in the sense of doing something "good" and "important." They obviously crave being taken seriously.

    • Herman Caintonette

      To call David an idiot would be defamatory …. to idiots!

      • Stephen_Brady

        He is an idiot, to you, because he departed leftist orthodoxy and actually began to think for himself. He is an idiot, and worse, to you because he saw the actual face of the left, while working with the Black Panther Party. He is an idot, to you, because he could see the effects of progressivism on his country. He is an idiot, to you, because he wanted to do something about it.

        This is obviously something you don't have the capability of doing.

        • Herman Caintonette

          If Horowitz has had an original thought, I am not aware of it.

          What is the harm inherent in progressivism, SD? When it was still great, our country was far more progressive than it is today. Social mobility was not just a fable, but a reality. I'm old enough to remember when we actually lived in a meritocracy.

          Horowitz has a blind-spot when it comes to our current system of crapitalism, where a Chelsea Clinton or a George W. Bush are handed jobs because they won the pre-birth lottery, and a cocaine-dealing convicted felon was granted a law license because of who her parents were. Concentration of wealth is toxic to capitalism.

          • Western Canadian

            Progress is one thing, the ‘progressivism’ of the left, is barbarism and hatred. You must love it.

          • Steeloak

            Your constant bashing of capitalism, plus your constant praise of progressive causes proves you are nothing like a Libertarian.
            All of your arguments have been refuted. All of your claims are baseless and based on lies & distortions. You respond with personal attacks and gutter dispersions to anyone who disproves your claims.
            You are a liar about who you are, a troll, and someone I no longer feel the need to respond to.
            I will ignore you from now on, you are not worth my time!

  • John J. James

    The more we see the faces of OWS types, the more it reveals that most of these folks are damn near mental patients/hippie wannabes/freekazoids. My God, IDIOTS is the understatement of the year.

    The OWS crowd would have to come up 2 steps, just to be a “ZERO!”

    • Herman Caintonette

      You are writing from Arkham Asylum, no doubt.

  • http://apollospaeks.blogtownhall.com/ ApolloSpeaks

    THE #30,000

    MSN's Ed Schultz, on last night's Dead Head Show, was glorying in yesterday's anniversary protests because of the numbers that showed up: 30,000 according to police estimates. Ed (and his giddy guests) was so impressed by this that he declared the day a smashing success, and then proceeded to rub it in the face of Bill O'Reilly and the Right who have declared the movement on its death bed.

    Now that was 30,000 bodies in a city of how many, 8 million? That's less than .5% of the total population. Not exactly what I would call a massively mass movement. In Cairo at Tahrir Square, for example, 50,000 people, on January 25th, gathered for the first day of protests. By day 7 the crowd had swelled to 100,000 strong. And at its height on February 11th (16 days after the protests began) Tahrir Square had 300,000 protesters, ten times the number that gathered on day 60 in New York yesterday. WOW! I'M BLOWN AWAY ED! WHAT IMPRESSIVE NUMBERS! OWS ROCKS!

    Click my name and read my piece: 60 Daze Of OWS Rage And Wall Street Stays Open For Business

  • Adam

    As fun as it is to poke fun and ridicule these children, and can't be understated how deeply dangerous this Occupy crap is. The reason why they have no unified stated goals is because if they were to share it with the general public, it would offend and scare most people. They do have a solid goal. They believe that Jews hold all the money in Amaerica, that Jews run Wall St and consequentially DC too. And so their goal, like all other Socialists through out history is to eliminate the Jews. You can here it when the less articulate lower level protesters speak, because they were not instructed to keep that a secret for now, but the Wade Rathkes and Rich Trumpka and Elizabeth Warrens and Barack Obama know full well this is the goal.

  • howdydoody

    Horowitz is a poor lonely soul. It's a shame, his daughter (RIP) was a beautiful person who understood the importance of working/sharing with the community. Horowitz is just a sad and bitter man whose heart is filled with hate and darkness. If only he'd learned something from his daughter's life and work.

    • Herman Caintonette

      DH is an angry, bitter man. He was so persuasive that he couldn't even persuade his daughter, and he is so awful to be around that he is working on his fourth marriage.

    • pagegl

      Voluntarily working and sharing with the community is a wonderful thing and I would hazard a guess Horowitz believes that. However, when the government forces it, as OWS and thier supporters would have things, it not only is not a good thing, it is evil. Because at that point the government defines how to work and share not you; this eventually descends into what socialism has always given man.

  • Stephen_Brady

    Apollo, unlike the Tea Party rallies, the OWS have two advantages. They yell louder, and they break the law to get attention.

    The Tea Party consists of people who previously never dreamed of protesting anything. W graduated from HS and/or college, we went to work, we married, had children and paid our taxes. Many of us served in the military (though we don't think ill of those who didn't). We bought homes and gained a stake in the security and future of the nation. We served on juries, voted, and otherwise did our civic duties. Our rallies were mostly quiet … almost apologetic … and we policed the area we protested for a few hours, and left it looking better than before we arrived.

    We didn't break the law.

    Compare that to the OWS mob, organized and funded by the hard left, and one can immediately see the difference.

    • Herman Caintonette

      So, you are teabaggers? Useless idiots.

      Scott Olsen served in the military in Iraq and Afghanistan (iirc), and probably never dreamed of protesting anything, either.

      • Stephen_Brady

        "So, you are teabaggers? Useless idiots. "

        Thanks for adding to the intellectual level of this debate, Herman.

        • Herman Caintonette

          Just stooping to your level, SB.

        • Western Canadian

          It’s a level he struggles to rise up to. Usually, he’s worse.

    • WilliamJamesWard

      I watched the tea party rallies and was aware that here we have American
      citizens demonstrating for reform and justifiably so and your comparison
      draws out the venom of the viper, exposes the nature of who supports OWS.
      Guttersnipe attack is to be ignored Stephen as your truthful observation
      is emetic but can not heal the garguantian disorder, only expose the condition.
      William

    • Asher

      We have attended many meetings…all have been respectful of people at the meeting and accept opinions, but stand up for the laws, the constitution, and the free market system. After attending, you realize how the Left has abused the system, our freedoms, and maintained corruption in Washington. There is no looting, burning, cursing, and demeaning people like this movement…When they start yelling obscenities at my kid, I am not going to put up with it.

  • http://iflizwerequeen.com emm

    Typical right-wing claptrap: Accuse others of what you are guilty of. The Republicans are the masters at “character assassins”. They have a long history of it that goes all the way back to Richard Nixon. Then how about the Swift Boat character assassination of John Kerry–again another example of the Republican strategy to attack the candidate's strongest point–especially when it happens to be the weakest point of the conservative candidate. George Bush was AWOL and Kerry served his country honorably. Typical. and NO, I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I am a Independent. There is no degree of separation between the leadership of either party. However, the Republicans wrote the book on character attacks and Karl Rove published a sequel.

    • richard

      bs

    • Stephen_Brady

      What does it matter who created "character assassination", though I don't buy into your basic assumption. What does it matter?

      If you will recall, Alger Hiss walked into a a session of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, and stated under oath that he had never known a man named Whittaker Chambers. A young Congressman on the Committee, Ricard Nixon, was intrigued by this, because either Chambers or Hiss was lying. He investigated, and found out that Chambers told the truth. Hiss was convicted of perjury.

      Hiss, the man who advised Roosevelt at Yalta (where the US gave eastern Europe to the Soviet Union), who was the Secretary-General of the UN at its organizing conference, and who was widely believed to be the next President of the US in 1952, was a communist and a spy for the Soviets.

      No assassination, just facts. But since Hiss was also a "darling" of the media, they never forgave Nixon for "getting" Hiss. Every attack on Nixon, after that, had its origins in the news media. It should be noted that the news media, until the advent of Fox was leftwing.

    • ArmyAviation

      John Kerry is a fraud, and the swift-boaters were correct.

    • Asher

      Prove It….Gather the tapes and pictures of Teaparty Rallies…they are all orderly, respectful, clean, and behaved….they aren't riotous mobs who destroy property, deficate on the streets, rape people, leave syringes from hard drugs, and have to be cleaned up after…check out the areas after they leave, a far cry from Wisconsin's capital buidling, Wallstreet, or Oakland….

    • mah29001

      How the heck can anyone call themselves "independents" when they'd prefer a Democratic candidate????

    • Maxie

      Whatever else you are you're obviously brain dead. Kerry was a politically-connected (Ted Kennedy MarxiCrat) fraud. He refused to reveal his complete Navy record which would have proven his case against the Swifties. He didn't because they were right and he was/is a lying POS who was cashiered with a less-than Honorable Discharge. That is proof positive that he was/is scum.

  • BLJ

    Calling these "people" idiots is an insult to that word. I prefer lowlife ignorant pliable scum. This whole thing is just part of the Saul Alinsky playbook that Obama and his master George Soros follow.

    The left needs to be driven back into the holes they crawled out of. They hate America and want to destroy this nation. A one way ticket to a workers utopia like North Korea would be a nice parting gift.

    • Herman Caintonette

      You're projecting, BLowJ.

      • BLJ

        You're a clown Hermie.

  • nondhimmicrat

    I wonder who financed the John Kerry Heinz wing in the Vietnamese victory museum?

    • NotaBene

      There’s no such thing. Are you referring to the single photo of Senator John kerry acting as part of an official US delegation to Vietnam in Saigon’s War Remnants Museum?

      • mrbean

        John Kerry got a less-than-honorable discharge in 1973 because he arranged for and attended secret unauthorized meetings with both the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Communist Delegations in Paris France in 1970 and 1971 while he was still a Reserve Naval Officer (not discharged under conditions other than honorable until 1973) while hostilities were ongoing in South Vietnam. For this he should have gotten 10 years in Leavenworth and a dishonorable discharge for aiding and abetting the enemy and should never have been allowed to hold a public office of any kind anywhere.

  • BLJ

    John Kerry is a pud.

  • FRONTPAGEsubscriber

    I would have to agree w. David.

  • guest

    "Horowitz adds that his organization’s upcoming Restoration Weekend is “a kind of rejuvenation. We have a stellar cast — Glenn Beck, Herman Cain, Dick Morris, Ann Coulter, and others.

    “It’s to fire up the troops and give them some hope in these dark times that we live in.”

    I love David Horowitz but how will holding a weekend with very financially well off people, who can flee the country in an hour as opposed to the rest of us, "fire up the troops?" As a tea party person in a major U.S city we are non stop working, taking care of our children, blogging, attending county hearings, state legislature meetings, setting up tables at festivals and fairs, volunteering at the polls and attending rallies and firing up the troops. Coulter and the others get speaking fees, which is great, more power to them, but give the unsung patriots out here some credit.

    • Herman Caintonette

      "I love Glenn Beck's sanity … and I fear for it." — Stephen Colbert

      • Western Canadian

        Unlike your own lack of sanity, and colbers mock sanity.

  • theleastthreat

    Ever considered holding a Restoration Weekend in Pensacola. We have a Civic Center that is largely unused. And right across Gregory Street is a large hotel, also largely unused. It is also blocks and blocks away from the Occupy Pensacola encampment. When should we be expecting you?

  • 13Sisters76

    Mr. Horowitz is dead on target- the ows-bots ARE idiots. But then, where would leftist tyranny be without the stupid to follow them based on handouts and gimmegimme freebies?
    However, we are in a better position than StalinHitlerMaoCastroPolPot, etc., many thanks to the Internet and the alternative news outlets. The college kids turning out for these "protests" are just goofy, naive, inexperienced kids. Mr Horowitz and I can both attest to the draw of these groups. Like us, a majority of these kids WILL grow up. There are, also, the terminally stupid- the adults who couldn't apply critical thinking if their lives depended on it (and it, ultimately, will); the union goons and those addicted to reality TV.
    The danger is in those who are behind all this- the true, lifelong leftists, who know exactly what they are doing, and why.
    Idiots become fodder.

  • Jim

    My my such vitriol against the left. Yet In none of the articles and responses have I heard the name of the actual core writers who wrote on their blogs and addressed the situation the general public has to live in.
    Instead these FPM writings accentuate only the left as if the left was the movement totally and completely. The unions and the left are Johny come lately appendages to a movement that was already created by others. They are organizations who saw a parade forming and wanted to get at the head of it.
    These FPM articles are handing the left a victory victory over the American people. I am sure FPM knows the history as well as the most informed. Then why doesn't FPM tell the actual story
    It is quite true that the occupy movement did have something to do with George Soros through his Adbusters. It was adbusters who struck the match that lit the fires of the already formed occupy movement to assemble in protest.
    In this Soros did the movement a great favor but his influence is not wanted. He is considered by most as just another Oligarch who wants to control the movement.
    We welcome the unions but not to the extent they control the movement
    The movement saw what the Republican bosses did to the tea party They choked it off

  • WilliamJamesWard

    What we have in OWS is the lefts answer to the Tea Party and to misdirect
    attention from the real problems in America today, leftist subversion as one
    and Islamist incursion for two of the nasties. There are large players in the
    backfield testing the waters and resolve of Municipal Officials in order to know
    in advance who will be the hardest and where to direct efforts while creating
    disorder and chaos in aiding leftist advancement to influence elections by
    hook or by crook………Those who are weak need to exit the scene now……
    The next elections are for survival of the Nation and the future of freedom.
    William

  • Anamah

    I am worried anticipating fraud in the elections 2012…
    Why the picture ID is not required to vote?
    Do we have an unique national document to identify each citizen to vote?
    Why voting by mail using the absentee ballot vote?
    Why early voting? (before the election date?)
    How we are going to impeach the commission of fraud?
    What has happened with the Secretary State Project from Soros in each State?
    David,… where are you?
    Please folks, who can tell me if we are better prepared this time to avoid the risk of cheated elections ?

  • kateyleigh

    As responsive as they are to 'mic-check' (which is scarily Pavlovian–conditioned and brainwashed) we could infiltrate and reprogram them.

  • Amused

    Horowitz is right , there are indeed idiots in the OWS rallies , just like the idiots at the Tea Party rallies , who also broke laws , and acted like scum . But even more so , so did Horowitz himself in the 60's . Horowitz had nothing to do with the hippies and more to do with people like Weratherman and SDS , for he provided he intellectual propaganda and dogma which was at the base of their thinking . No . he did not overtly incite for or rationalize the violence those groups incorporated , but his published attitudes towards the government were no different . As for all the little [parrots here weho think they have insights into those days , the hippires were non-violent , they did not read Ramparts , and were against violence of any kind towards anyone . Such can not be said about the TeaParty with their veiled threats of assasination , racist aspersians , outright lies , fear mongering , and incitement to break the law . OWS if anything broke laws …laws against cluttering and littering public places …how vicious of them !

    • Maxie

      I'm guessing you went to one of those OWS outdoor poop-and-pee fests and forgot to take your meds in all the pot-induced euphoria.

  • Amused

    LOL….andf just look at the comments from the so called upright christian folk here ! Talk about hatred and violence .
    Now Horowitz in the fall of his life , bends over for the same people he railed against in the 60's and searches for redemption , trouble is , he looked in the wrong places when he was younger and now STILL looks in the wrong places as he is older .

  • Asher

    The OWS ceased to be a credible movement when they started the violence, and intimidation. These mobs represent anarchy worldwide, not democracy….This is the movement to collapse the system and city resources by implementing continuous police protection, and Sanitation to clean up the Messes that are being left. There is even chaos and fights between the groups themselves….they are really no example to anyone who is a rational, sensible, hardworking, taxpaying, fair individual…..Newt said it best when he said, they aren't paying for the parks, or the facilities in Restaurants, or the food they are eating, so why are they dictating to the rest of us who have jobs and pay taxes to maintain the parks, and the city resources….."After they go take a bath, Get a Job."

  • Amused

    Quoting Newt aint ya Asher?

  • nyc1234

    Occupy Wall Street – ShutUp You Face and occupy a job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ5JCD12bd0

  • Herman Caintonette

    The real idiots are the ones who watch Faux Spews. And yes, there is empirical proof.

    "[S]ome outlets, especially Fox News, lead people to be even less informed than
    those who they don’t watch any news at all." http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/

  • ava
  • Blaze Pascal

    hey!! Stop giving away Far Left socialist tactics! Are you trying to bring down the whole msm edifice?

  • Blaze Pascal

    how you can talk about lies and character assassination with a straight face is astonishing. There can only be one explanation: you must be of the Left.

  • notme

    The definition of "truth" in the muslim language is "whatever is spoken by a muslim at the time it is spoken and any time thereafter until he speaks a different truth".

    If you doubt stern, above, please look at the replies to the first comment in this article: http://frontpagemag.com/2011/11/15/peace-in-our-t

  • notme

    If you doubt stern, above, please look at the replies to the first comment in this article: http://frontpagemag.com/2011/11/15/peace-in-our-t….

  • notme

    If you doubt stern, above, please look at the replies to the first comment in this article: http://frontpagemag.com/2011/11/15/peace-in-our-t….

  • Blaze Pascal

    Herman! You are giving away the modus operandus of the LEFT!! All you people ever do is character assassinate your enemies. I challenge you to name a single right winger that you b@$tards have not lied about and defamed.

  • Herman Caintonette

    Moi? I'm a Goldwater libertarian, very liberal on social issues but generally conservative on economic issues. My views on foreign policy is that the Constitution does not authorize us to be the world's policeman, informed further by the observation that Pax Americana has created a healthy array of unfortunate and wholly foreseeable consequences.

    With candidates like Gingrich (who took $1.8 mill from Freddie Mac while telling opposing pols to give back the money they got), 666 Herman "we need a leader, not a reader" Cain, Willard the Job-Eating Rat (who made his fortune raiding pensions), et al., ad nauseum, and who was that fourth guy, anyway, it is hard to take this year's crop seriously. I voted for Ron Paul in 2008 (he is persona non grata here, because he doesn't approve of Israel's theft of Treasury funds), and generally support candidates like Gary Johnson and Buddy Roemer.

    OWS is about process. Whether they are 'Pubs or Dems, most of our elected officials are currently owned by special interests. My ConMan has Grover Norquist on speed-dial, but wouldn't give his constituents the time of day. Our government has enormous power to pick winners and losers — which is a problem when our public officials are owned by special interests, but not so much so if they are truly the representatives of the people.

    Where the Tea Party got it so tragically wrong — and what made the movement vulnerable to takeover — is that they are looking for scapegoats. The process is the problem, to the point where just changing parties doesn't change anything.

  • Herman Caintonette

    It's real simple. I merely point out that if it was "moral" for YHWH to kill all first-born Egyptian children as punishment for Pharoah's tyranny, it is equally "moral" for Palestinians to kill Jewish children as punishment for Zionist tyranny. It would be racist for me to treat Jews as a special case, which I do not do. I would also contend that it would have been entirely appropriate for an oppressed Iraqi citizen to kill a young Uday Hussein in retaliation for Saddam's tyranny.

    The absolute right to kill a tyrant in defense of one's life and liberties was recognized in the Roman ius civil, and was part and parcel of Anglo-American law since before Magna Carta. How is my position radical or discriminatory, in even the slightest degree?

  • Herman Caintonette

    Kindly address the substance.

    I have argued that the indigenous Palestinians have a superior claim to the land, largely because the original Jews emigrated two millenia ago and intermarried to the point where they are no longer substantially Jewish. If property rights are sacred to us — and an absolute prerequisite to ordered liberty (see, Kelo v. City of New London) — and all men have a right to self-government (the Brits warranted that the indigenous populace would be able to decide whether there should be a Jewish homeland, and they were against it), then the Zionist appropriation of land is illegitimate on its face.

    How is saying that anti-Semitic?

  • Herman Caintonette

    So, Gingrich, Romney, Bachmann, Boehner, Cantor, Ryan, Limbaugh, and the gang of propagandists at FAUX "News" are all MUSLIMS??? Allah'u'ackbar! [sarcasm s/b obvious]

    I would, however, object to Megyn Kelly being required to wear the hijab….

  • Blaze Pascal

    You're starting to babble Her, looks like I hit your soft spot. So take my challenge: name one prominent conservative that the Left has NOT character assassinated.

  • Blaze Pascal

    Holy smokes Her, you're starting to scare me. Are you sure you're not shivering in a tent somewhere, and if not, why not.

  • notme

    go to the link – there is your substance