Zuhdi Jasser vs. Robert Spencer on Islamic Reform

 

On April 3, at the David Horowitz Freedom Center’s West Coast Retreat in Palos Verdes, California, Robert Spencer debated Muslim reformer Zuhdi Jasser on the prospects for reform in Islam. Andrew McCarthy, author of Willful Blindness, was moderating.

If the embedded video doesn’t show up on your screen, you can find it here.

  • proxywar

    Can Andrew McCarthy please just shut up and stop breaking up the flow of the debate. Zuhdi Jasser got so much more time than Robert to speak I feelt like I was sitting through an interview not a debate. Robert Spencer had lot more he wanted to say but was never given the chance to really rebuttal. Terrible debate. Next time put a time limit on how long each can talk.

  • jacob

    I certainly wasn;t aware of this debate to take place, as otherwise I wouldn't have
    missed it for the world but as to the just remark made by PROXYWAR, please
    allow me to say that this "verborrhea" is typical of absolutely ALL Muslims ever
    interviewed in either TV or radio, drowning their opponents with their verbosity,
    usually a diarrhea of words with constipation of ideas, to the extent that in several
    ocassions, the interviewer has been forced to cut them off altogether as last
    resort to make them shut up and give other people a break….

    But as to the little I was able to gather from the film due to the constant interruptions,
    the interviewer was giving Muslims the kid glove treatment, speaking of "patriotic"
    MUslims in our midst who allowed our quashing terrible conspirations…

    But isn't it public knowledge that to infiltrate Muslim organizations has been for the
    FBI as easy as pulling teeth ????

    • John

      The very idea of "Patroitic Muslims" in America is the great myth. The only history Islam has in this country is that during the Barbary Coast Wars, Americans ended up putting the crescent moon and star on our outhouses. They have done nothing, period.

  • Nick54

    I am SO grateful for Robert Spencer. His laser like knowledge and insight has certainly woken me up to Islam's threat to our values and freedoms. I hope many many more will hear him and thereby be awakened as well.

  • John

    Islamic Reform? You dream sir.

  • tanstaafl

    There are no moderate Muslims. Dr. Jasser is practicing both taquiyya and kittman. If he was as truly "moderate" as he claims. he would become an apostate.

    • RogueWave24

      If Jasser really wants to belong to a religion that reflects his professed values, then he ought to just take the plunge and become a Christian. By attempting to reform Islam, he is attempting to push a square peg into a round hole. His brand of Islam simply does not and never will exist. He lives in a fantasy.

  • JosephWiess

    Slim to none.

  • jbtrevor

    Dr. Jassar suggests we need to ''reform'' Islam in America first then take it to the rest of the Islamic world, LOL

    • ObamaYoMoma

      Good luck!

  • cjk

    The more I listen to Jasser the more I am starting to question his motives. He consistently sidesteps or denies the blatant fact that Mohammedan scripture describes his profit as a murderous pirating pedophile. Also of note is his penchant for bringing up the non-scriptural unchristian behavior of nominal Christians as a comparison to true Queeranic Mohammedan behavior.

    The difference is 180 degrees.
    The more scriptural a Christians behavior, the more Christlike he becomes, i.e., tolerant, loving, sharing, etc.
    The more scriptural a Mohammedans behavior, the more mo'-like he becomes, i.e., terrorizing, murderous, thieving, perverted, etc.

    The two religions scriptures couldn't be clearer.

  • steven l

    Mohamed committed the ultimate crime of believing and behaving as if he was Allah.
    Z. Jasser M.D. appears to be an enlighten Muslim who, has and is doing his homework, and is not afraid of Islamism. Sadly the silent majority of Muslims is scared and has been infiltrated by extremists supported by petro$ and the left.

    There are too few Z. J in the world.

  • Abdulameer

    If Jasser were not a Muslim, nobody would listen to him. He has nothing intelligible, logical or realistic to say. It is all vague words with no substance. By any objective standards, Spencer trounced him with facts and logic.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      In the eyes of all devout Muhammadans around the world, Jasser is not a Muhammadan. He is a blasphemous apostate that should be executed, or otherwise he is a deceitful taqiyya spewing Muhammadan trying to confuse gullible kafir infidels.

  • tramky

    Islam certainly is in need of reform–a complete overhaul, in fact. But is it really a religion in any understanding of that word? Probably not. Where are Muslim intellectuals? Where is the organizational center of Islam? There is none. So-called Muslim 'clerics' are self-professed–some ignorant fool says he is an imam and — bingo!–he's an imam.

    The real problem of course, is the bloodthirsty arrogance of Muslims. Muslim culture consists, in terms of everyday activities and behaviors, of a series of misdemeanors & felonies in the civilized world. The principal response of Muslim to pretty much ANYTHING that 'offends' them (which is pretty much anythying) is death & destruction. Muslim men kill their wives, they kill their daughters, they commit all manner of crimes within the confines of their homes. They are unfit to live in the modern world. They are arrogant, bloodthirsty thugs. It is unacceptable to have these people in our midst.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    Wow…that was more brain damage that it was anything else, and I lost a lot of respect for Andrew McCarthy who I use to hold in high esteem. He is the absolute worse moderator I have ever seen.

    Anyway, Dr. Jasser is a loon, either that or a taqiyya spewing Muhammadan who is trying to create mass confusion and doubt in the minds of kafir infidels in the USA. Nevertheless, if you look at the success of Jasser’s reformation movement in the Islamic world, despite what he would claim he has exactly zero following, and if you have zero following it means in essence you are pissing in the win. Indeed, if he tried to reform Islam in the Islamic world as opposed to in the USA, he’d end up exactly like Taha and so many others, in that he would be executed.

    The truth is Islam for many reasons is impossible to ever be reformed and it is only people that naively equate Islam with Christianity that stupidly believe it can be reformed. However, the reality is Islam is not a religion. Instead, Islam is a militant theo-political totalitarian ideology and as such Islam is far closer to Communism than it is to being a religion like Christianity, as just like Communism, Islam seeks to dominate the world and the end result of Islam, exactly like Communism, is totalitarianism, poverty, despair, and lots and lots misery. Indeed, Islam only masquerades as being a religion to dupe the societies it intends to subjugate and eventually subsume.

    As a matter of fact, if you take a good close look at the Islamic world, you will see that non-Muhammadan dhimmis living in every Muhammadan majority country in the world without exception are violently oppressed and systematically persecuted, when not outright slaughtered altogether.

    Further, if you look at every place in the World where mass Muhammadan immigration has occurred, just like clockwork the vast majority of the Muhammadan immigrants refused to assimilate and integrate and instead formed Muhammadan no-go zones ruled by Sharia as parallel societies within societies and in direct contravention to the laws of the states in which they reside, and when Andrew McCarthy commented that most Muhammadans migrated to the West because they don’t want to live under Sharia, I was wondering what planet he is living on. He obviously needs to remove his blinders and open his eyes, because apparently he isn’t paying attention.

    Not only that, but while Muhammadan immigrants living in the West are free to build thousands of mosques and madrassas and to openly practice Islam, even while the vast majority of them refuse to assimilate and integrate and form Muhammadan no-go zones ruled by Sharia instead, non-Muhammadan dhimmis living in Muhammadan majority countries, on the other hand, are forbidden from building new houses of worship and from practicing their religions openly.

    Indeed, look at all the countries in the world that have huge Muhammadan minorities like in Ethiopia and Kenya, for instance, periodically the Muhammadan minorities go on rampages, burning down hundreds of churches and murdering in cold blood hundreds of non-Muhammadan citizens and forcing thousands of them to flee their homes for their lives, and in countries like the Ivory Coast and Nigeria, where the Muhammadans have achieved near majorities, they are forcefully imposing Sharia on the non-Muhammadan citizens, which means those non-Muhammadan citizens inevitably become violently oppressed and systematically persecuted, when not outright slaughtered altogether, just like all non-Muhammadan dhimmis living in all Muhammadan majority countries around the world without exception.

    Clearly Islamic society isn’t compatible with any other cultures because it inevitably tries to dominate and subjugate all other cultures, per the texts and tenets of Islam. As a matter of fact, the Islamic world divides the world between the believers and the unbelievers and applies one set of rules and ethics for the believers and a completely different set of rules and ethics for the unbelievers.

    In other words, mass Muhammadan immigration to the West needs to be shut down immediately and banned and reversed ASAP, or otherwise we will all inevitably end up like the violently oppressed and systematically persecuted non-Muhammadan dhimmis living in all Muhammadan majority countries.

    • jbtrevor

      I meant to respond to your post…but it ended up below it.

      • jbtrevor

        BTW, excellent points

  • jbtrevor

    Another point:
    Jassar said that he was calling on Muslim children to not listen to the Imams, their parents, etc. when they cite or adhere to the violent Muslim text/Sharia and for him & these children to not listen to them makes them no-less Muslim. HE THEN, equated that practice w/ other world religions.
    I cannot speak to other world religions, but I can to Catholicism. Once cannot call themselves Catholic and ignore what the Church leadership Pope/Magisterium & Doctrinal Dogma has taught for nearly 2000 years.
    I was hopeful that Jassar was that lone voice in the wilderness to encourage & bring about change/reform in Islam, but I'm less convinced of that now…having heard him truly challenged by someone I consider quite scholarly on the subject, Robert Spencer.

  • Dvora

    I was looking for the script which I thought would accompany the video but could not find one.
    I often prefer to scroll down the written word rather than watch a video of 52 minutes.

    Videos are becoming inimical. I wonder how many people would agree with me !

  • Dennis

    How does one ultimately learn the TRUTH about any religion? First, read the known Rules, the Source Books, and the Histories from the Religion's supporters/spokespersons. Second, read the opposition's viewpoints. Third, read the "neutral" accounts and interpretations.

    Now, use your own brain and decide which religions seek to improve and promote the most important actors in the overall drama – MANKIND- for mankind's sake and for MANKIND's continuity. Acknowledge that religions are organized by MAN and MAN is not perfect…all the way to the Gaia concept and beyond. Recognize also that MAN is free to reject, become atheist, agnostic, or multi-theist in beliefs.

    However, when a religion has and acts upon beliefs directing it to murder, lie to, subjugate, slaughter, and mutilate others and even those of its religious beliefs, then it is not a religion. It is a parasite upon MANKIND.

    DR. JASSER…Please state openly and without hedging exactly what Islamic beliefs you believe and which ones you believe to be "THE SATANIC VERSES". Thank you.

  • JACK WALKER

    Am I wrong?? The good muslims will not turn in the bad muslims because the bad muslims are the good muslims according to the Koarn, therefore the good muslims become the bad muslims.