Leftists Visit, Hug Mother of Fogel Murderer

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This article is reprinted from Israelnationalnews.com.

Several ultra-leftist groups organized a visit to the Arab village of Awarta on Saturday, April 16, in support of the villagers and against the IDF’s activities there in the search for the murderers of Ruth and Rabbi Ehud Fogel and their children Yoav (11), Elad (4) and Hadas (three months).

The leftists visited several homes in the Samaria village, including that of the Awad family, which spawned the murderers. The identities of the confessed murderers were released for publication on Sunday, the day after the visit. The murderers were already in IDF custody at the time of the leftists’ visit and their arrest – including the fact that they are relatively young – was already widely rumored and hinted at by the press.

A photograph from the visit which can be viewed here, posted by one of the activists on her Internet blog, shows Raya Yaron, spokeswoman of Machsom Watch, comforting a woman described as being 37 years old and “in a deep depression.” The blogger explained in her post that the woman fainted during the leftist women’s visit and was distraught over the arrest of her husband, her two sons and a daughter.

The woman is easily recognizable as Nuf Awad, mother of Hakem Awad, whose photograph was featured on the front page of Arab newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida Monday.

“It is impossible that my son did this,” she is quoted by the paper as saying. “My son doesn’t know how to slaughter a chicken” (the translation is from the Seventh Eye media-watch website). The two murderers confessed, however, to slaughtering five human beings and investigators reported that they expressed no remorse, and even said that had they realized there were two more children sleeping in the house, they would have killed them as well. They saw no problem in slitting baby Hadas’s throat, they explained, since she was a Jew.

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  • Watchman

    It's called collaboration with the enemy. Maybe if they're lucky they have someone in their family get their throats cut. Idiotic sheeple.

  • nomalmohere

    Disgusting. Turns my stomach. The only thing that consoles me is certainty that liberals' heads will role — literally — when Islam conquers the West.

    • BS77

      Is that Susan Sarandon ??

  • ze-ev ben jehudah

    They spawn from socialism is it not?. I knew of a major socialist party once
    very long ago.That socialist party became National and from then on was called
    the national socialist party of !!!! Yes right!! Germany.Their main strategy
    became slaughtering Jews worldwide. They even had the assistancy of the
    great mufty of Jerusalem who wanted to slaughter Jews from his side of the
    world.There are,still today,leftist orientated socialists who love that peace loving
    muslim from Jerusalem. And even today there is a ppowerful man in the oval
    office who loves muslims more than he likes Jews.A democrate and socialist
    and you know ? I lost my faith in them some 65 years ago.I don't trust them.
    Mark my words; with the helping hands from our peace loving socialists the
    muslim brotherhood wil concour the midle East. That sort of justice smells a
    lot,or better ,it stinks.

    • Dispozovdaburka

      Truer words have never been spoken.
      I think you will enjoy a new book called "Fourth Reich" by Jim Marrs
      It's not your everyday read.

    • AharonK

      That's 1946, Ze-ev. Before modern Israel was born.
      About your words to be marked, some Rosh Hamemshalah will ask "All of the middle east?", and you will have to answer -No, RH! One tiny little country of irreducible tribe of brave Jews which possess a unbelievable Power due to a knowledge passed on from generation to generation about the secret of This All: HaShem!
      No wonder arabs sh*t their already brown pants when they see tefilim-wearing warriors getting at them! They trow away weapons in the run. This HAS happened in the past and will happen again, B"H. This time with photographer hayalim!
      Arabs, beware the underdog! (you should know this already…).
      AK

  • Bert

    Sane people can only react with disgust towards Jewish leadership in Israel and in America that does not react against these Jewish anti-Semites who collaborate with those who murder fellow Jews including children and babies. I refer to the Jewish establishments in both countries that have a deep moral rot in their souls and who cannot act normally as would any other ethnic group to put down murderous traitors in their midst.

  • Cuban Refugee

    The devil's disciples work together to defeat good, and cause chaos, in the world, and there are legions of them in the Arab village of Awarta. Doesn't this useful idiot in the picture realize that her dainty pearls could be removed without use of their clasp by simply sliding over the stump that would be left of her neck and the space that her head formerly occupied? Nuf Awad says, "It is impossible that my son did this. My son doesn’t know how to slaughter a chicken …” No, of course, he couldn't slaughter a chicken … his specialty, what he and other Palestinians were taught from the cradle, was not to kill chickens, but to eradicate innocent Israelis. It seems her son learned the lessons only too well.

  • StephenD

    The Massacre of the Fogel family has become for me a line in concrete. Unless and until the ENTIRE Islamic world condemn such actions and abolish teaching their children to hate the Jews and Christians, they have no credibility in my mind and heart. They have become evil incarnate.  It is as if they held the child while the other barbarian slit it's throat. Celebrating with sweets afterward?!? To all Muslims: You represent to me the darkest part of humanity. Speak loud and clear and turn from your teachings of hatred or know we must remain enemies forever.

    • ziontruth

      I agree with your thoughts, but I had them far earlier than this. I thought them first after Beslan.

      (Not to minimize the atrocity of 9/11; Beslan was horrifying because it was up close and personal rape and murder of children by the soldiers of Islam.)

      • SpiritOf1683

        And for me my education began in a big way 14 years ago back in November 1997, when more than 60 tourists were butchered in cold blood by wicked Muslim barbarians in Luxor. 9/11, Bali, Beslan etc reinforced this. And going back to before Luxor reveals an entire catalogue of brutality and barbarianism stretching back 1,400 years. Over 300 million infidels murdered in cold blood by Muslims. And it would have been many more but for the Reconquista, the victories of Charles Martel, Jean Parisol de la Valette, Johannes Graf von Salm, Admiral Don Juan, Jan Sobieski and so many more.

        • AharonK

          Great contribution Spirit. These names are pointers to valuable insights I hope.
          Thanks and nice to meet you.

  • BS77

    same baloney brained leftists who supported Stalin, Mao, Castro and communism….they support anything that is contrary to common sense , anything that opposes freedom, the United States, Israel or the west…these are fools, losers and idiots. As Michael Savage said: "Liberalism is a mental disorder."

  • Vermont Yid

    These fools are a fifth column is Israel. They should be dealt with as in biblical times – with no mercy whatsoever. The animals who slaughtered the Fogels need to be put to death as soon as possible. Then, the village of Awarta should be completely destroyed – not a single building left standing.

    • The_Lord_Regent

      Fair enough. Make sure to use ICM, HE, and WP in great quantities. Also, make sure to use the great quantities between 0200-0400. Not a single building standing-and no one left alive.

  • Alfonz Shmedlap

    M., 04/25/11

    The Jewish "settlers" are demonized even by some Jews. The worldwide jihad marches on; if one criticizes it, he/she is "Islamophobic." The U.S. Jewish Establishment is once again failing to protect Jewish lives, just as it did during the Holocaust. The ADL continues to lobby against "homophobia" and wants even more "gun control." I'd fly over to Israel tomorrow, if I could. Do you really think that G-d isn't getting very angry and won't ever react through "nature?" Obama is the Jihadi in Chief and ought to be impeached, tried, convicted, and thrown out of The Oval Office on his (large) ear.

    • Vermont Yid

      The ADL is useless. It, like the U.N., is a do-nothing debating society. They don't do a damn thing to protect Jews. All they do is to complain when someone speaks badly of Jews.

      As far as "gun control" is concerned: To me, that means hitting what you're aiming at.

      WAKE UP YIDDEN! Get a gun. Learn to use it well. Join and/or support B'nai Elim. Sitting on your ass and complaining does nothing positive. It's NOT the job of the police to protect you. It's your job!

  • flyingtiger

    When will Roger Waters of Pink Floyd show up? Or Vanessa Redgrave? Or Rev. Wright? Or Hillary Clinton? Hurrt, get you place in line!
    This is so disgusting, beyond words.

  • muchiboy

    "Leftists Visit, Hug Mother of Fogel Murderer"

    So? What should they have done,bulldozed the family home as collective punishment as the Nazi's may have done,or the IDF have done.
    I don't know if such Palestinian homes are filled with hate against Israelis.A Jewish family has been rendered apart by Palestinian violence in a land where the Palestinian homeland itself has been rendered apart by Zionism and ethnic cleansing.While the Arab perpetrators,who ever they are, are not heroes,but murderers,this mother,unless intimately involved,is still a mother,and these leftist sympathizers are not morally corrupt,nor their actions morally repugnant,in comforting her.muchiboy.

    P.S..God Bless the Fogel Family.Ron Grant and Family

  • Marty

    These are "useful idiots" on steroids. They have no concept of morality or reasonableness. It would all be sad were it not for the frightening implications of appeasement and the bizarre hostility displayed to innocent and defenseless people who are brutally murdered.

  • LindaRivera

    Would these Evil Degenerates Hug the Murderer's Mother if it had been their
    family members who had been murdered by the humanity haters? Do the Leftists also plan to go to Israeli jails and hug the Muslim killers of Jews there? Are the Leftists planning to join Hamas, Hizbullah, or Al-Qaeda?

  • muchiboy

    "violence against Israel to foment another mass genocidal holocaust of Jew like you do on here ad nauseum. "

    For what I think must be understandable reasons you are unable or unwilling to distinguish between anti Zionism and antisemitism.Whether it is clear to you or not,there are real and compelling reasons to criticize the re-creation of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians and to the demise of the Palestinian homeland and the denial of Palestinian birth rights. In any case,the reasoning is flawed.Unfortunately,unless this flawed reasoning is acknowledged and understood,you will be locked into this fallacy of thought ,incapable of arguing in a rational manner.I am not saying you must admit to the wrongness of your position,only that you acknowledge the merits of the opposing position.muchiboy

    • ziontruth

      "…you are unable or unwilling to distinguish between anti Zionism and antisemitism."

      The former is very often a cover for the latter in our day, now that previous "reasons" such as the deicide accusation and racial theorizing are no longer accepted in polite society.

      Nonetheless, anti-Zionism would be illegitimate even if it had nothing whatsoever to do with Jew-hatred. Zionism is Jewish nationalism; to be an anti-Zionist is to deny the Jews the right to a nation-state on their indigenous territory, Palestine, and that is just as illegitimate as "anti-Hellenism" would be, a denial of the Greeks' right to a nation-state on Hellas.

      "…there are real and compelling reasons to criticize the re-creation of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians"

      On expense of Arab settlers, which is no expense at all. The Jews are the Palestinians–the only ones who can licitly claim that name for themselves.

      • SpiritOf1683

        You ought to know by now that Naziboy is a rabid Jew-hater who thinks his hero Adolf didn't do enough.

    • ObamaYoMoma

      For what I think must be understandable reasons you are unable or unwilling to distinguish between anti Zionism and antisemitism.

      If you weren’t so mentally deficient, you’d realized that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. Indeed, just because you claim to be an anti-Zionists to justify your bigoted hatred against Jews, it doesn’t give you a carte blanch license to use lies, libels, and innuendos to incite hatred and violence against Israel to foment another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews like the mentally deficient bigot you are.

      Whether it is clear to you or not,there are real and compelling reasons to criticize the re-creation of Israel at the expense of the Palestinians and to the demise of the Palestinian homeland and the denial of Palestinian birth rights

      What Palestinian homeland and birthrights? Are you unhinged? Wait, don’t answer, as it is already obvious that you are more than just a little unhinged. The so-called Palestinians were created in Moscow by the Soviet KGB in 1964 complete with prepackaged inalienable national rights to self-determination as a disinformation campaign to camouflage the Islamic world’s genocidal jihad of conquest being waged against the unbelievers in Israel under a cloak of nationalism, because the Soviet KGB understood the Islamic world could garner far more support in the international community for their permanent and perpetual genocidal jihad against the unbelievers (Jews) in Israel if it was couched as a struggle for nationalism instead of what it really is a genocidal jihad of conquest.

      In any case,the reasoning is flawed.Unfortunately,unless this flawed reasoning is acknowledged and understood,you will be locked into this fallacy of thought ,incapable of arguing in a rational manner.I am not saying you must admit to the wrongness of your position,only that you acknowledge the merits of the opposing position.Muchiboy

      With all due respect, the merit of the opposing position is taqiyya meant to deceive gullible useful idiot kafir infidels exactly like you. Indeed, everything you have swallowed lock, stock, and barrel, is a damn lie. Why do you want me to be gullible, naïve, and unhinged like you?

      Moreover, what do the permanent and perpetual jihads not only being waged against Jews in Israel, but also Buddhists in Thailand, Christians in the Philippines, Hindus in Kashmir and Jammu, atheists in Chechnya, Christians and animists in the Ivory Coast, and Christian Serbs in Bosnia and Kosovo all have in common? The answer is they are all being waged by Muhammadans against unbelievers. Hence, the Muhammadans are equal opportunity jihadists, if you are an unbeliever; you are a target of jihad.

    • Queen Esther

      ObamaYoMama that was great!!

      Muchiboy, you need to watch the video I presented above and learn the facts. Here it is again:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdH0XxDEjG4&fe

      Please share this video with all your anti-Semitic/anti-Zionist friends. Thank you..

    • LibertyMan

      Muchiboy

      What do you call "palestinians"? Ethnic Iraqi, Lebonese, Jordanians and Egyptians who migrated to take advantage of Jewish Prosperity to call their own? Not the Jews who were there or the Bethlehem Christians that were forced to other nations when Islamists drove them?

      And you claim the IDF is ethnically selective? Does the word htpcrite mean anything?

      And Muchiboy, what about the Jews who were forced to Israel and lost 3 times the land mass that IS the state of Israel in 49 & 50? Whay are you and the terrorists complaining about the State which they populated with Jews? Can't have it both ways.

    • The_Lord_Regent

      To paraphrase Martin Luther King Jr., "when you say you are anti zionist, just be honest and admit you are an anti semite." You fool no one, creepiboy.

    • Gordon

      The world is about to go to war again. Russia and Iran will move against Israel. The West will defend Israel and we will win. I only regret that I am too old to serve my country, put on a combat uniform and blast evil people like you to Kingdom Come!

  • LindaRivera

    This is a comment made by meir, TA, on the original article at Israelnationalnews:

    Machsom Watch
    One of the leaders of Machsom Watch is married to Col Avi Mizrachi, the head of "Civil " ((Military) Administration, who is responsible for tearing down Jewish homes and night raids to harass Jews on hilltops. meir, TA (04/22/11)

    This shocking information along with the article should be posted up all over Israel! G-D help and protect Jews!

    Some of the Jews living in famous Biblical Judea and Samaria are beaten and their homes destroyed by Israeli authorities for the sole reason they are Jews and not Muslim.

    No people on earth should have their homes destroyed or be ethnically cleansed because they don't follow the political/religious system of totalitarian Islam!

    HUMAN RIGHTS for ALL non-Muslims Now!

    • muchiboy

      "HUMAN RIGHTS for ALL non-Muslims Now!"

      Let me suggest an amendment.Human Rights for all non-Muslims and Muslims alike.I think we can all agree on this.muchiboy

      • ziontruth

        Nope. To be a Muslim means to believe in Islam, and an integral part of Islam is the denial of rights to non-Muslims.

        Aging hippie likes to think all humans are the same; biologically this is largely true, but mentally, culturally nothing could be further from the truth.

      • SpiritOf1683

        Muslims don't believe in human rights, brickhead.

    • LibertyMan

      Just an Historical Note: There are Jewish Families in Samaria that can trace their lineage from the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

      Your statement is duly noted. Thank you.

  • ziontruth

    "So? What should they have done,…"

    Stayed out of something that's none of their business. Exactly what you fail to do.

    "…bulldozed the family home as collective punishment as the Nazi's may have done,or the IDF have done."

    Spouted lies against Jews as the Nazis have done, and you have done.

    "…in a land where the Palestinian homeland itself has been rendered apart by Zionism and ethnic cleansing."

    The Palestinian homeland is for the Palestinian nation, the Jewish nation. Arab settlers are land-thieves and illegal occupiers of Palestinian (=Jewish) territory.

  • LindaRivera

    To muchiboy:

    10,000 Jews were ruthlessly ethnically cleansed from Gaza for the sole reason they were Jews and not Muslims. From land that NEVER belonged to Arabs.

    Many of the ethnically cleansed Jews, forced into poverty, had to live in tents for a long time.

    The UN, ruling elites and all Jew haters rejoiced. Muslim mobs celebrated by desecrating and destroying sacred Gaza synagogues where G-D was worshipped. The Jew cleansed areas in Gaza were transformed into rocket firing sites into Israeli cities.

    Delighted with the terrorist success of Gaza, the US/EU/UK/UN are eager to duplicate the terrorist success of Gaza. They demand Israel surrender highly cherished BIBLICAL Judea, Samaria and half of the eternal Jewish Holy City of Jerusalem to barbaric, implacable enemies bent on Jewish genocide.

    • muchiboy

      Two wrongs never make it right,Linda.We all find it easy,maybe too easy,to dismiss the Palestinians as violent,antisemitic,human rights abusing monsters.We will only progress once we see ourselves in the same light, capable of the meanness and inhumanity we see in others.Again,if we applied the Golden Rule more consistently in our dealings with others than human relations might take a turn for the better. muchiboy

      • ziontruth

        "Two wrongs never make it right,Linda."

        One wrong doesn't either. One wrong: The Arab settlers' ambition to rob the Jews of their one and only piece of land in the world. One right: The Jews' return to their one and only piece of land in the world.

        "We all find it easy,maybe too easy,to dismiss the [Arab settlers] as violent,antisemitic,human rights abusing monsters."

        Let's just say their actions make a very compelling case for it.

        "Again,if we applied the Golden Rule more consistently in our dealings with others than human relations might take a turn for the better."

        It is not of the Golden Rule that one single nation-state on a tiny piece of land should concede parts of that land in favor of a nation possessing over twenty states on a huge mass of land. That's an injustice on a par with King Ahab's coveting of Naboth's vineyard.

      • MixMChess

        "We all find it easy,maybe too easy,to dismiss the Palestinians as violent,antisemitic,human rights abusing monsters."

        But that's just it, the Palestinians are violent, antisemitic, human rights abusing monsters. C'mon, if the shoe fits…

      • Gordon

        Yes, i can see how the Jewish children in the house that the murderers missed might be viewed as 'violent, human rights abusing monsters'. That statement, of course, justifies the murder of the baby. I understand it all completely now.

        You must be an inmate in a psych ward somewhere. How much time do they allow you on the computer each day? Too much, from my perspective.

      • SpiritOf1683

        We know you think it should have been 10 million dead Jews, eh Naziboy.

  • ObamaYoMoma

    So? What should they have done,bulldozed the family home as collective punishment as the Nazi's may have done,or the IDF have done.

    Interesting in one post you advocate for laws against hate speech and in the next post like a hypocrite you engage in it by insinuating that because Israelis are Jews, they don’t have a right to self defense and also by senselessly morally equating Israel with Nazis exactly like the obsessed anti-Semitic bigot you are.

    I also hate to rain on your mentally handicapped parade, but defensive measures ostensibly implemented as a result of the permanent and perpetual genocidal jihad being waged against Israel were implemented to protect Israeli civilians from exactly what happened to the Fogel family, and is not collective punishment.

    I don't know if such Palestinian homes are filled with hate against Israelis

    If you don’t know by now with all the videos on youtube showing the constant incitement to hate and violence, then you don’t want to know!

    Furthermore, despite your lies and libels, Israel didn’t steal anyone’s lands let alone mythical so-called Palestinian lands, and the only people that have been victims of ethnic cleansing are the approximately 50 percent of Jews that make up half of Israel’s Jewish population that were ethnically cleansed from Muhammadan countries as a direct result of the Muhammadans losing their genocidal jihad of conquest against Israel in 1948.

    Nevertheless, it is very interesting that at the same time that like a mad dog you incessantly engage in hate speech by obsessively inciting hatred and violence against Israel to foment another mass genocidal holocaust of Jews because one holocaust apparently wasn’t enough to satisfy your lust for the blood of Jews, that you also ignore the violent oppression and systematic persecution of non-Muhammadan unbelievers that takes place in every Muhammadan majority country in the world without exception, at the same time like the useful idiot you are, you also accept their taqiyya without question, while ignoring the fact that the same perpetual jihad that targets Israel also targets you and me and all unbelievers.

    • AharonK

      Very good reply, very meaty wording (but breathless punctuation, pardon me for saying this), thanks for posting and nice meeting you.
      For all the right reasons, I am a big fan and moral supporter of South Sudan exactly because of their brave step out of the yoke of issss slam (boom you're dead).
      G-d help them. And you!
      AK

  • g_jochnowitz

    The Left licks Islamic ass.

  • muchiboy

    Collective punishment was commonly used by the Nazi's then as it is presently used by the IDF.Such repressive and unconscionable actions against a people are considered by many as a human rights violation and against International law.If the IDF and the Nazi's engaged in common immoral and illegal actions then the IDF has no one to blame but itself for any cited comparisons and criticisms.muchiboy

    • ziontruth

      "Collective punishment was commonly used by the Nazi's then as it is presently used by the IDF."

      You'd prefer the IDF just sat there and did nothing in the face of all the rockets rained on Jewish civilians (in the pre-1967 territories, no less), I believe? And by the way, these rockets indiscriminately fired on Jewish civilians for whatever "reasons" the Arabs have are… what exactly if not collective punishment?

      "…a human rights violation and against International law."

      Whatever. But if human rights violations and international law are your chief concern, then let me tell you, you have bigger fish to fry. Start with the human rights violations in every Muslim country and the trampling of international law by Al Qaeda and the Taliban. When you're done with that, then you can go back to criticizing Israel and Zionism. But until then, shut up! Shut up, anti-Zionist scum! Lay off Israel already! Anti-Zionism is illegitimate! All criticisms of Israel from an anti-Zionist point of view are illegitimate!

    • MixMChess

      Israel doesn't engage in collective punishment of the Palestinians. Even house demolition is an extremely limited form of punishment as it affects only the family of the suicide bomber. As previously noted, these families act as accessories and overwhelmingly aid and abet terrorism against Israel.

      You are also forgetting that its not collective punishment when the majority of Palestinians support violent terrorism. As previously mentioned, over 87% of Palestinians support terrorist attacks against Israel. Look no further than Gaza, where the majority of Palestinians voted in Hamas a dangerous terrorist organization dedicated to the murder and genocide of Jews worldwide.

      Palestinians literally worship suicide bombers as heroic martyrs, naming streets, playgrounds and children's summer camps after them, plastering posters of them in their homes, replaying their martyrdom videos on TV, and even selling Suicide Bomber calendars displaying the faces of dead bombers.

      Of course, no one wants to mention that Israel's counter-terror measures actually work. For instance, house demolition is a huge deterrent to terrorism. In 2002 "a 17-year-old youth from Jenin…told the Shin Bet…he had decided not to go ahead with the [car bomb] mission because he was worried about what would happen to his family." The NY Times reported in 2003 that "militants themselves concede that the [Israel counter-terror] measures have made it harder to stage attacks…"

      • Queen Esther

        Thanks for the info – MixMChess.

    • http://www.boycottscotland.com Eddie

      maggotboy, It was YOUR buddies who hijacked 4 planes on 9/11, who engage in current day slavery in sudan and mauritania, who rape the entire world with overpriced $111 per barrel oil (it used to be $10 per barrel), who created the need for checkpoints at every airport in the world, who murdered millions of Hindus in India, who bombed Pan Am 103.

      It takes progressively brain damaged activists to support Sand Nazis.

      Happy NAKBA maggotboy!

  • jtbaumgart

    I still say its time bleach out the gene pool in Gaza and the West Bank.

    • Leon

      Inbreeding will do it in a few generations

    • SpiritOf1683

      And bleach it here. We can start with Naziboly.

      • SpiritOf1683

        And bleach it here. We can start with Naziboy.

  • JosephWiess

    If you ever needed proof that liberalism is mental disorder, this is it. I sometimes wonder if the liberals will even realize it when the Muslim murderers line them up in front of a wall and murder them for being infidels?

  • muchiboy

    "and an integral part of Islam is the denial of rights to non-Muslims."

    We will just have to wait and see.Either way,we are headed for an interesting decade or two.Or three….We are getting mixed messages from the Arab world.An Arab Spring without the needed institutions for real and sustained democratic change.It remains to be seen whether Islam can or cannot adapt to modernity.China has,while not entirely embracing democracy and human rights.And Israel,for all the appearances of a secular,human rights respecting democratic state continues to exist unhindered by a policy of past and present gross human rights abuses including ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.Given this gross inconsistency,there is every likelihood that Islam can make the needed leap of faith into modernity.In either case,Israel has no moral superiority vis a vis the Islamic world.muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "We will just have to wait and see."

      What? Look no further than Lebanon, Turkey or Saudi Arabia (where it is illegal to build a Church or Synagogue).

      ".And Israel,for all the appearances of a secular,human rights respecting democratic state continues to exist unhindered by a policy of past and present gross human rights abuses including ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people."

      More lies and libel to deflect from the issue at hand. Israel is the only secular state in the Middle East and the only country that guarantees human rights and democracy for all of its citizens. Israel has never ethnically cleansed the Palestinians as their population has actually increased exponentially.

      Seriously you sound like a broken record. Unless you have something substantive to add, no one wants to read your nauseating rhetoric and Jew-bashing.

    • Queen Esther

      PLEASE watch the video I have presented here twice before. Your ignorance knows no bounds.

      "Israel is a victim of Palestinian terrorism and Islamic Jihad" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdH0XxDEjG4&fe

    • Gordon

      We don't need to wait and see, we have history and the Koran to rely on. Yes, muchiboy, we have people in the West who have taken the time and trouble to check out your 'holy' book. We know the suras that say you must kill the infidels where you find them. We know the suras that say you must kill Christians and Jews. We know the sura that claims the day will come when a tree will say, "muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him." We have read your game. We know about Taqqiya, lying to promote Islam. We know about Jizya, protection money that dhimmis are forced to pay in Islamic nations. We are no longer ignorant of your evil. We are no longer blinded by our leftist media. Keep up the crap, muslims. We are blessed for turning the other cheek, BUT WE ARE NOT DAMNED FOR DEFENDING OURSELVES.

      • pagegl

        Damn Gordon, you beat me to it.

        Muchiboy, read the Koran and hadtihs and get acquainted with the concept of the dhimmi. Islam tells its followers to let nonbelievers live only if they are subservient to Muslims and pay jizya. If nonbelievers do not submit to being dhimmi they can be killed.

      • SpiritOf1683

        History tells us that those who wait and see get destroyed whilst waiting and seeing.

    • ziontruth

      "And Israel,for all the appearances of a secular,human rights respecting democratic state…"

      Yes, I know that in order for a state to win approval in the reigning PC worldview, it must commit multicultural suicide. Tell me something new about the Leftist way of thinking, which you share despite not being officially one of them.

      "…continues to exist unhindered by a policy of past and present gross human rights abuses including ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people."

      The wonder is Israel still continues to exist in spite of not having done the requisite job of expelling the Arab settlers from its territories as thoroughly as it should.

      "In either case,Israel has no moral superiority vis a vis the Islamic world."

      The problem is not so much that you think this way, but that people who think the way you do are in positions of power all over the Western world, and they think these thoughts also about Western civilization vis-a-vis the Islamic world. Thereby is a great portion explained of the present-day March of Folly of the Western governments–their appeasement of the Muslim invasion armies, uh, I mean immigrants on their lands.

      You're merely pathetic, Muchiboy. Your ilk being in positions of power, however, may well be the scandal of this century.

  • Amused

    There is no moral equivelanvce between Israel and ANY arab/muslim entity PERIOD . You should be thanking your god ,, that the Israelis are civilised , and could have wiped you out any number of times …and still can …should you give them cause . These particular animals who slaughtered that family are the procuct of an inculcated evil ethos which pervades all palistinian instruction , whether it be ain a mosque , kinder-garted-grade school , or university . I have been to Israel several times and when you turn on the tv and watch the Palestinian Channel , one would think he was on a different planet …even the childrens cartoons suggest and even praise violence against jews . So hang it up muchi-boy , no one buys your line of B.S. ANTI-ZIONISM IS ANBTI-SEMITISM . Zionist is code for JEW . LOL….and yoiu say what ? Israel has no moral superiority vis-a-vis the islamic world ? What a joke !! The Islamic world has NO MORAL -PERIOD . NONE /NADA /ZILCH -How can they ? They are barbarians , uncivilised in every way whos ethos at its core is anti-thetical to humanity itself . It is a religious supremacist CULT . And always will be until it is ultimately destroyed , and will be brought about by muslims themselves .

  • MixMChess

    "What should they have done,bulldozed the family home as collective punishment…"

    It is morally perverse to be upset with Israel for demolishing the homes of Palestinian terrorists and yet not condemn the very terrorists who are (literally) butchering Israeli children and babies. It is obvious that for you, Jewish lives are worth less than physical structures.

    "…this mother,unless intimately involved,is still a mother,and these leftist sympathizers are not morally corrupt,nor their actions morally repugnant,in comforting her."

    Too bad that families of terrorists are found to be overwhelmingly accessories to the crime by supporting and abetting the terrorism campaign against Israeli children and babies. Did you know that over that 87% of Palestinians support violent terrorism against Israel?

  • Larry

    Israel should move Raya Yaron and her fellow extreme leftists to Gaza. That's were they belong. These low life's do not belong in Israel. Actually they really don't belong anywhere. If Raya Yaron and her ilk wanted to console someone it should have been what was left of the Fogel children.

  • muchiboy

    "Of course, no one wants to mention that Israel's counter-terror measures actually work."

    Yes,what do they call that….the end justifies the means.Are you American? Does your country engage in this activity? Israel crosses the line in so many ways.Sure,you have your reasons.Maybe your children get rendered apart by a young suicide bomber.You teach the Palestinian community a lesson,make an example of the young suicide bombers family.And it works.The end justifies the means.But it works for the other side,too,MixMChess.Israel has made far too many moral exceptions and "facts-on-the -ground" type of decisions and choices that have had catastrophic consequences for the Palestinians.The shame and crime is that Jews choose to either ignore or rationalize their actions.Really,your one best defense and excuse is that it is all too human.It has been done time and again,and we,you and yours,me and mine,keep repeating it.For such a supposedly smart people,MixMChess,you're as stupid as the rest of humanity.muchiboy

    • MixMChess

      "Israel crosses the line in so many ways."

      What? The Israeli army has one of the strictest rules of engagement of any country in the world. The IDF has official policies that place a greater value on the lives of Palestinian civilians than it does its own soldiers.

      Israel is even praised by its critics for the care it exercises in ensuring the safety of civilians. For example, anti-Israel Professor Michael Walzer notes that "In battle, the Israeli army regularly accepted risks to its own men in order to reduce the risks that it posed on the civilian population." As evidence he cited the relatively "small number of civilian casualties in the Palestinian cities despite the fierceness of the fighting."

      And as British Colonel Richard Kemp noted, "I don't think there's ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza."

    • http://www.boycottscotland.com Eddie

      maggotboy, the "religion of peace" crosses the line all over the world.

      - bombing Pan Am 103
      - hijacking 4 planes on 9/11
      - flying planes into office building on 9/11
      - bombing buses and the underground in London on 7/7/05
      - murdering school children in Beslan
      - murdering people in Africa
      - engaging in current day slavery in Sudan and Mauritania
      - excluding non-Muslim people from cities in Saudi Arabia
      - excluding churches in Saudi Arabia
      - threatening the uk and europe with terrorist attacks
      - murdering filmmakers like Theo Van Gogh
      - threatening cartoonists for drawing a picture of an imaginary "prophet"
      - beheading jouranlists like Daniel Pearl
      - issuing genocidal ravings against another country
      - killing women for "dishonouring" a family
      - public executions of gays in the islamofascist regime of iran

      maggotboy, you must be very proud of your heroes.

      Happy NAKBA maggotboy!

    • ziontruth

      "Yes,what do they call that….the end justifies the means."

      As I thought: You want Israel to be angelic, even if that means the angel's wings are soaked red with the blood of Jewish victims (God forbid). Because that's what dispensing with all those means would inevitably lead to.

      "Israel crosses the line in so many ways."

      Israel no more crosses the line than the Muslims and their atrocious, Genghis-Khan-like way of warfare forces her to.

      You say Israel violates the international laws of warfare? Very well then, rewrite them to accommodate the reality of the Islamic way of warfare (according to which civilians are put in the line of fire as a win-win tactic: Either the enemy holds fire because of them, or the enemy fires and then the dead bodies can be used as propaganda) and then I'd be fine with holding my nation-state against them. Until then, you're effectively nothing but a water-carrier for the agenda of Islamic imperialism, whether you intend so or not.

  • BS77

    Muchiboy,no one wants to hear your apologetics and liberal clap trap…..go back to Huff Post and get some accolades.

  • Amused

    Muchiboy , you will never convince Americans to be sympathetic to the palestinian cause , except maybe brain damaged sociopaths , which is what makes up the majority of palestinians . In their case however the brain damage is not congenital but pathological . Palestinians in their present state of mind DO NOT DESERVE A STATE , NOR WILL THEY GET ONE , what ? DO YOU THINK THE ISRAELIS ARE STUPID ?

  • Queen Esther

    Learn the history of the Jewish people in the land of Israel – watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdH0XxDEjG4&fe

    Your statement "in a land where the Palestinian homeland itself has been rendered apart by Zionism and ethnic cleansing," is one big lie and is anti-Semitic.

  • alan

    Tragically,there are self hating Jews. They spread their pathology self righteously in acts that have no morality. You don't need enemies with"friends" like them.
    Why don't people recognize that there were Jews in all of the Middle East before Islam was created? What about the billions of dollars owed to Jews that were evicted from Arab countries. Even the Germans paid reparations! Far be it for the Muslims to do the same. The radicalized Muslims are an extension of Nazism. See:tell the children the truth.com. for affirmation of this comment.
    As a Muslim once said to me:"First the Saturday people then the Sunday people". Are you the next Fogels? I leave you with that.

  • WilliamJamesWard

    The Fogel massacre is a turning point in thinking about the Palestinian
    cult of murder and hate. Only the most brain dead of the world can hear of
    this and not realize just how low the actions of two products of a society
    can be and the detestation of these two murderers make them heros to
    equally vile contributors of a murder mentality. The prominence these
    people will receive will be special on judgement day……………..William

  • http://www.boycottscotland.com Eddie

    HAPPY NAKBA maggotboy!

    And may you and yours continue to personally experience continued and eternal NAKBA!

    • AharonK

      I second that. May they be inspired to create many other reasons to commemorate their own and eternal stupidity.

  • LibertyMan

    Is there any doubt that the Islam terrorist have gained strides in teaching youth hate that Hitler would be envious of? It is a society of organized child abuse. Maybe the left is also envious of their successes of breeding hate.

  • The_Lord_Regent

    Creep-tacular. I really hope you are not a sworn ossifer of any kind.

  • AL__

    Nihilistic freaks on parade.

  • LindaRivera

    One in a Very Long List of Horrendous Major Muslim Terrorist Attacks in Israel :

    March 2, 2002: Ten people were killed and over 50 were injured in a suicide bombing at 7 pm on Saturday evening near a yeshiva in the ultra-Orthodox Beit Yisrael neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem where people had gathered for a bar-mitzva celebration.

    The terrorist detonated the bomb next to a group of women waiting with their baby carriages for their husbands to leave the nearby synagogue. Six children were among the victims. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the attack. http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp

    Muslim killers of Jewish children are adored-Palestinian Authority newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida called savage child-killer Kuntar "a beacon of light" and an "authentic role model." PA leader, Abbas, called Kuntar a hero. Syria's Assad said Kuntar was chief among honorable men and awarded Kuntar Syria's highest medal, the Syrian Order of Merit.

    It is highly immoral and anti G-D that taxpayers are forced to finance the murderous Palestinian Authority. G-D commanded:

    YOU SHALL NOT MURDER

  • SpiritOf1683

    Islam had better go into the grave, otherwise it will be our civilization and culture which finishes up in the grave. And we in the West have too many fruitcakes willing to dig our grave.

  • SpiritOf1683

    I wonder why it is that leftists are so godawful ugly, just like the hijabbed bags they put their arms around.

  • muchiboy

    "You want Israel to be angelic.."

    I'm not asking that,Ziontruth.We are talking about the Israeli policy of destroying the family homes with family members suspected/known to be guilty of criminal/terrorist crimes against the Israeli state.America does not have a similar policy,and as far as I know other western ,liberal democracies don't either.Those countries that do practice this policy are characterized by a general disrespect and disregard for human rights.Israel is in good company here and it is just one of many unconscionable policies carried out against the Palestinian people to serve the needs,security or existential,of Israeli Jews.Sure,Israelis are between a rock and a hard place,but the generally accepted and supported policy of Zionism is largely responsible for that.While Palestinians are far from innocent,many of their actions are responses to Zionist occupation and ethnic cleansing.
    The unpalatable and difficult truth for Israel is that as long as it engages in large scale,gross human rights violations against an entire people,i.e.the Palestinian people, it will need to resort to equally unpalatable measures to enforce them.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "Yes, I know that in order for a state to win approval in the reigning PC worldview, it must commit multicultural suicide."

    We do live in a multicultural world,Ziontruth.Jews should,and likely do,realize this.As a Canadian,I see the strengths and advantages of living in a multicultural country that works.And maybe so far the multicultural world has not been very kind to you and yours.Or perhaps it is that the absence of a truly multicultural world,intolerant as it was and maybe still is,that is responsible for almost universal antisemitism.
    If I ignore the largely Zionist imposed suffering and misery of the Palestinian people,then I could accept the Israeli position.Jews no more deserve their own country then do the Palestinians.The Jews can count as their homeland every country in the western world and most countries around the world.They are almost Universal citizens.The effective ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people to ensure the enduring Jewish nature of Israel maybe a convenient,maybe even a necessary condition but ,unfortunately,is morally unacceptable.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "when you say you are anti zionist, just be honest and admit you are an anti semite."

    Again,there are real and compelling reasons to criticize Israel,even to the point of questioning its existence,and it has all to do with how Zionism has impacted the Palestinian people.If we make a case for anti-Zionism being equivalent to antisemitism,then we would need to reexamine the case and definition for antisemitism.That would be unfortunate,as it would dilute the very useful meaning.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    LibertyMan;
    "What do you call "palestinians"? Ethnic Iraqi, Lebonese, Jordanians and Egyptians who migrated to take advantage of Jewish Prosperity to call their own? Not the Jews who were there or the Bethlehem Christians that were forced to other nations when Islamists drove them?
    I could say that of Jews,too.Ethnic French,German,Polish,Russian,Iranian,Iraqi Jew.
    As to your reference about Arab Christians,my mothers father emigrated to Canada from Bethlehem in the late 1800's.While I acknowledge the role of religious bigotry in the demise of Arab Christians (and Jews,too) in the region,the Palestinian Nakba remains the most important source of conflict and must be seen and appreciated in the context of Zionist occupation and ethnic cleansing.

  • muchiboy

    Eddie;
    "maggotboy, It was YOUR buddies who hijacked 4 planes on 9/11, who engage in current day slavery in sudan and mauritania, who rape the entire world with overpriced $111 per barrel oil (it used to be $10 per barrel), who created the need for checkpoints at every airport in the world, who murdered millions of Hindus in India, who bombed Pan Am 103. "
    Interesting points,Eddie.Do you see a common thread,here,Ed.You mind if I call you Ed?Anyway,while there were no Palestinians inside those planes on 9/11,Bin Ladin cited the suffering of the Palestinian people as a motive(ISRAEL!!!!).Now overpriced oil,I recall the west's support of ISRAEL!!!!! for the 1967 oil embargo.And terrorism in the air,and hijackings,Palestinian response to ISRAELI!!!! occupation and ethnic cleansing.
    I say let Israel go for $15.00 /barrel oil.muchiboy

  • muchiboy

    "You must be an inmate in a psych ward somewhere. How much time do they allow you on the computer each day? Too much, from my perspective. "

    LET ME OUT!!!!! LET ME OUT!!!!!!!!!!!! MORE COMPUTER TIME!!!!! PLEASE!!PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!
    I'M ADDICTED TO MY LAPTOP!!!!!!!!!!!

  • muchiboy

    ObamaYoMoma
    "Jews, they don’t have a right to self defense and also by senselessly morally equating Israel with Nazis exactly like the obsessed anti-Semitic bigot you are."

    Of course Jews and Israeli's have a right to defend themselves,Obama YoMoma.
    As to the senselessness of morally equating Israel with the Nazis,well,that is playing dirty and although the comparison of collective punishments was valid,it was unkind and I apologize.muchiboy