How Vittorio Arrigoni Went to Gaza Hoping to Die

Jamie Glazov is Frontpage Magazine's editor. He holds a Ph.D. in History with a specialty in Russian, U.S. and Canadian foreign policy. He is the author of the critically acclaimed and best-selling, United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror. His new book is High Noon For America. He is the host of Frontpage’s television show, The Glazov Gang, and he can be reached at jamieglazov11@gmail.com. Visit his site at JamieGlazov.com.


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Bit by bit, decorate it, arrange the details, find the ingredients, imagine it, choose it, get advice on it, shape it into a work without spectators, one which exists only for oneself, just for the shortest little moment of life.

—Michel Foucault, describing the pleasure of preparing oneself for suicide.

The Italian cheerleader for Hamas, Vittorio Arrigoni, has died at the hands of the Islamic terrorism that he venerated throughout his life. The fellow traveler journeyed to the Gaza Strip to prostrate himself before his secular deity, Hamas, and to assist its venture of perpetrating genocide against Israelis. Islamic terrorists, who call themselves “Salafists,” showed their gratitude to Arrigoni by kidnapping, mercilessly beating, and executing him.

This episode was, of course, all part of an expected script: even though the media and our higher literary culture never discuss the reasons, the historical record reveals one undeniable fact: like thousands of political pilgrims before him, Vittorio Arrigoni went to Gaza to die. Indeed, consciously or unconsciously, in their unquenchable quest for sacrificing human life on the altar of their utopian ideals, fellow travelers always lust for death, and if not the death of others, then of their own.

It is no coincidence that a short while before “Salafists” killed Arrigoni, Juliano Mer-Khamis, a cheerleader of terrorism in Israel who, like Arrigoni, dedicated his life to praising the Palestinian death cult and working for the annihilation of Israel, was murdered by Islamic terrorists in Jenin. It is no coincidence that Rachel Corrie, the infamous enabler of the International Solidarity Movement, a group that disrupts anti-terrorism activities of the Israel Defense Forces, committed suicide in protecting Hamas terrorists by throwing herself in front of an Israeli bulldozer. And it is no coincidence that female leftist “peace” activists are routinely raped, brutalized, and enslaved by the Arabs of Judea and Samaria that they come to aid and glorify in their Jew-hating odyssey against Israel. And don’t hold your breath, by the way, waiting for leftist feminists to protest this phenomenon; they are faithfully following in the footsteps of American fellow traveler Anna Louise Strong and the Stalinist German writer Bertolt Brecht, two typical leftist believers who were completely undisturbed by the arrests and deaths of their friends in the Stalinist purges — having never even inquired about them after their disappearance.

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  • HHH

    Ignorance! Seems Jamie Glazov knows nothing about politics or terrorism in the world, this is why he came up with such an article that it based on ‘zero’ facts, well other than the name of people…

    • david

      your obviously a terrorist loving weasle . your a sick twisted bastard

    • Sara

      HHH, its no use trying to say anything normal on this site. But good luck :)

  • Sandy

    Glazov your article is fabricated nonsense. It's obvious you do not know the Palestinian people. Well I know them personally. My experience is knowing the goodness and amazing resilence in each of these people. Many are dear friends and I pray for their freedom from opression.

    Why was Vittorio in Gaza? What drove him to fight and place his body at risk in order to help people who desperately needed him? One reason is that he is descended from fascist and Nazi fighting grandfathers; men who fought against the occupation of Italy.

    "Because he sought to do what the United Nations was failing to do, and is charged with doing, enforcing international law– he was willing to serve as a "human shield" against violent Israeli encroachments on human freedom in occupied Gaza."

    He is the first foreigner to have been kidnapped to be killed in the Gaza Strip.

    There are still plenty of strange unanswered questions – including why Arrogoni was killed hours before the kidnappers' 30-hour deadline had passed?

    (Reuters) – Hundreds of Palestinians in Gaza marched in a symbolic funeral procession on Monday in memory of a pro-Palestinian Italian activist .

    • Leon

      'It's obvious you do not know the Palestinian people'

      And you know each and every one of them i suppose. Generalizing an entire group of people is inherently racist, but i suppose in your world view only 'one side' is racist. correct?

      ..'plenty of strange unanswered questions..'

      Doing mental gymnastics to try and blame his death on israel? I'm shocked!

      'What drove him to fight and place his body at risk … '

      My money is on gross ignorance and an inflated sense of self worth which is sadly typical of all the Che wannabes.

    • http://mid-eastplus.blogspot.com/ Denis MacEoin

      'Hundreds of Palestinians in Gaza marched in a symbolic funeral procession on Monday in memory of a pro-Palestinian Italian activist .' Hmm. Would these be the same ones who danced and handed out candies to celebrate the utterly appalling murder of five members of the Fogel family in Itamar? Did that exemplify the 'goodness and amazing resilience' of the Palestinians? Do the endless terrorist attacks show us how good the Palestinians are? Do Israeli security measures prove how evil the Israelis are?

      • http://blog.jaoara.com/?p=175 thermometer

        Thanks for sharing your thoughts on death. Regards

    • al Kidya

      Sandy,

      Did you know the two teenage boys who killed the Fogel family?
      I think you are deluded by the few "nice taqiyya masters" you have met.
      There is a battle of Alpha dogs going on between competing political factions in Gaza to determine who will be the leading terror organization. They don't want any light weights in the coming intifada.

      Okay, you can go back to sticking your head in the sand again.

    • Larry

      To Sandy:
      Your stupidity and bigotry are showing. The Palestinians are not a peaceful people by any means. They are exactly in the situation they want to be in. As the rest of the Arab World moves forward, or at least tries to, the Palestinians are content to be a welfare state and murder babies and school children. They praised Arafat and still love him even though he stole hundreds of millions of dollars meant for his so called people.

    • Robert

      Can you write an article about how the six million jews committed suicide by trying to own those innocent Nazis?

  • excitedsynapses

    Sandy I think we need to wait for answers but Israel is suspect #1. For all the Israelis claiming it's just a conspiracy theory, read up on the Mossad's history. They have killed activists all over Europe, Dubai, and other countries. You think Israel couldn't cross over Gaza or pay someone to carry-out a hit in Gaza?

    Why take a hostage and kill him immediately over a day before the deadline? That sounds to me like a whoever took him hostage didn't care about politics which means money wasinvolved.

    • MixMChess

      This is absolutely ridiculous. Israel has targeted terrorist leaders, not "activists." This conspiracy theory is about as good as the one about a shark trained by the IDF to attack Egyptian beaches.

    • Shel Zahav

      We don't have to wait for anything except for human intelligence to kick into gear in your head. You anti-Semitism prevents you from using it.

  • alberto

    how you dare to write this bunch of lies?

  • Laura

    I've been reading many articles in tribute to Vittorio. The love the Palestinians have shown for Vittorio and others like him moves me. Perhaps there is a lesson there for Israelis to learn from this, to realize that when outsiders treat Palestinians like human beings, the Palestinians react in kind with the same compassion and care.

    • Chezwick_mac

      Feel the "love".

    • MixMChess

      Israel completely withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and the P.A. has autonomously governed over 98% the W. Bank since 1993. Israel provides the equivalent of one ton of aid per resident in Gaza (over 1 million tons in aid in 2009 alone!). Israel maintains an health corridor allowing Palestinian patients free access to Israeli hospitals. Israel provided the economic aid and security necessary to allow the W. Bank to experience a economic and financial boom in 2008-2009 (unprecedented 9% economic increase) that continues to this day!

      How do the Palestinians thank Israel for her graciousness? Oh that's right they murder Israeli children and civilians, promote hatred of Jews and call for the destruction of worldwide Jewry. When will the Palestinians start to treat Israelis and Jews like human beings?

      • Ted

        MixMChess, the idea of an open border is not true. That is why the flotilla gained such international attention – because they were attempting to break a blockade. The borders are closed around Gaza from both Israel and Egypt preventing people from leaving a tiny strip of land. This even includes water. So fishermen do not have a livelihood, people lost their jobs they had in the West Bank and Israel because they cannot get there, and even medical emergencies isn't enough for most people to be allowed access across the border. Economic development requires freedom of movement, and poverty and desperate conditions are a mixing pot for extremism and violence.

        • MixMChess

          You are LYING Ted, the borders are not closed around Israel. Israel has maintained an open medical care so that Palestinians can seek medical aid in Israel. Of course, Hamas must grant permits for medical care, the Israeli government can do nothing to help a patient if Hamas disallows movement from the Gaza Strip.

          For example, in 2009 alone, 10,544 patients and their companions left the Gaza Strip for medical treatment in Israel. Moreover, there were 382 emergency evacuations from Gaza for medical purposes. Israel also allows the transfer of about 200 medical staff members go through the Gaza crossings every month. Israel also helps coordinate the transfer of Jordanian doctors into Gaza.

          Additionally, the Hadassah Medical Organization in Jerusalem donates $3 million in aid annually to treat Palestinians in Israel.

        • MixMChess

          As for travel, despite the inherent security concerns, Israel permits Gazans and visitors to travel between Gaza and Israel, from Gaza to the W. Bank, and even abroad for medical treatment, religious pilgrimages, and business trips.

          For example, in 2009, approximately 21,200 activists from international organizations and over 400 diplomatic delegations were permitted entry into Gaza, while over 2,200 Palestinians employed by international organizations were given exit permits from the Gaza Strip.

          Another 147 permits were given to Palestinian students for academic studies around the world and special permission was given to Gazan footballers to train in the W. Bank and compete in international matches abroad.

          During the Christmas holiday, approximately 400 permits were given to visit Bethlehem from Gaza as well 100 permits to travel abroad. In addition, 257 permits were given to businessmen from Gaza to facilitate business operations.

          • Ted

            MixMChess, do you realize there are 1.6 million people who live in this tiny area? You speak of permits, meaning Israel must give them permission to leave. 400 Permits over the holiday? You realize thats .025% of the population. I think you have proved my point all on your own. This is a main grievance. People would like to leave, and literally are trapped inside a tiny area less than 25 miles long. Dare I ask if you know your numbers for how many people were denied entry? I'm guessing no. Or how many students wished to study at the university and could't? How many Palestinians lost their jobs because they couldn't make it through the checkpoints reliably to hold on to their jobs – or even make it through at all? Look into it, you could argue better than just calling people Liars. Lets argue on facts, not emotions.

          • ZAINAB

            Ted, it's very simple. If you dont want trouble with your neighbour, then DONT RAIN MISSILES ON THEM FOR EIGHT YEARS AND EXPECT THEM TO SAY TANX …

    • Shel Zahav

      Israelis treat so-called Palestinians quite well compared to how they treat each other. You need to learn some basics about Arab culture. Violence pervades. Don't look for democracy or respect for human rights from Arab societies.

  • tamar

    good article! he ate what he cooked. now his mother on her way to Gaza. maybe she'll get the same

    • David H

      you guys harbor so much hatred ! Amazing. How do you live with it ?

  • Ronny

    Jamie, there's so much I could say in response to this article but I know exactly the kind of audience you're directing this at and they're not worth the energy. One thing I will say though – Vittorio stayed in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead, not because he had a death wish but because he showed courage beyond anything you could possibly hope to understand. Stick behind your keyboard writing your misleading propagandist articles – that's what cowards do.

    • akbass

      Just like you, eh Ronny?

    • ziontruth

      "Vittorio stayed in Gaza during Operation Cast Lead, not because he had a death wish but because…"

      Because he supported the Arab settlers' goal of robbing the Jews of their one and only state in the world. His Facebook page showed as much.

  • al Kidya

    Could some of those nice Palestinians take good care of Billy Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn as well? There is another flotilla to Palestine coming up in mid-May.

  • moulloud67

    we know now the name of is girl frien,
    Her name is Claudia Milani. And it turns out she is the "coordinator of Section Israel / Occupied Territories: Amnesty International " and as such, she gave a lecture at the "Israeli Apartheid Week" last month. Of course, we do not hear so much about Hamas (and we understand why, after what his friends come to her sextoy
    On his Facebook page, Claudia the sexy, showing, until it closes the page 24 hours ago, photographs equally repulsive as each other. She and Greta Berlin. She and Adam Shapiro. She and Ken O'Keefe. If you have forgotten who it is: remember the terrorist fleet in May 2010. They were all aboard! And all hate the Jewish state as much as possible!

    Is not it interesting that workers are much more AI friendly with people who want to destroy Israel with those who want to save people who live there and are on a daily basis, a victim of Palestinian terrorism

  • Chezwick_mac

    Notice folks the underlying theme of Jamie's detractors here?

    Sandy and 'excitedsynapsis' are in total denial, inferring those evil Zionists were somehow involved. Acknowledging otherwise would compel them to grow up and confront the staggering incongruity of their beliefs.

    Laura and Ronnie play the game of denial via omission. It was a veritable love-fest between Vittorio and the Palestinians. The fact that he was murdered by them can't be reconciled, so it is not even mentioned at all in their posts.

    Clearly, this is instructive in understanding the psycho-pathology that afflicts the Left. Instead of trying to reconcile their beliefs (the Palestinians are all that is good) from the ugly reality (the very same murdered a leftist friend), they either blame Israel, or they outright ignore the dirty deed as if it never occurred. It is text-book self-delusion…and it explains so very, very much..

    • Rachael

      But this is what you don't understand Chezwick_mac. Some things transcend left wing/right wing distinctions. Some things are about basic truth and humanity. I'm not an especially left-wing person – not at all – but I visited the West Bank recently and saw with my own eyes what the IDF and illegal Israeli settlers are doing. The IDF and a small but very dangerous element of the settler community are state-sponsored terrorists – no question about it. Israel is commiting land theft and appalling human rights abuses under our noses but manages to conceal this via a slick, ultra-deceitful propaganda machine. Say whatever you like and make all kinds of generalisations about left-wing people, but don't assume you know what is really going on in the occupied Palestinian Territories. From my point of view, I can almost tolerate discussions with people who simply do not know the facts on the ground – what I cannot tolerate is people like Jamie Glazov who I believe knows *exactly* what Israel is doing and seeks to cover it up with these ridiculous and deceitful propagranda pieces.

      • MixMChess

        "The IDF and a small but very dangerous element of the settler community are state-sponsored terrorists – no question about it."

        Wrong… From 2000-2010, 242 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, while only 47 Palestinians were killed by Israeli civilians. MOST of the Palestinians were killed while attempting to INFILTRATE settlements for TERRORIST attacks or while ATTACKING Israelis. Still, the Israeli government has stated it is increasing law enforcement of settlements and cutting off aid to illegal outposts.

        In fact, the major settlement institutions harshly condemn any violence committed by Jews against the Palestinians. For instance, a leading W. Bank religious leader, Rabbi Menachem Froman stated that targeting Palestinians is "an act of hurting humanity." And opposed any efforts to stymie building relationships with the Palestinians. Additionally, the Yesha Council, which is the umbrella organization of municipal councils of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, condemned any violence against Palestinians.

        Conversely, Palestinian Terrorist groups actively encourage violence and murder of Jewish Settlers.

        "Israel is commiting land theft and appalling human rights abuses under our noses but manages to conceal this via a slick, ultra-deceitful propaganda machine."

        This is a lie. Israeli settlements make up less than 2% of the overall land in the W. Bank and over 85% of the settlements are municipalities or suburbs of major Israeli cities that are not adjacent to or near any Arab developments. Israel started dismantling settlements in the W. Bank (about 4) in 2005 and has stated it is willing to dismantle more. Israel has only given up rather than gain any land in the W. Bank. Seriously, get your facts straight.

        • Rachael

          MixMChess, you're very creative with the facts, aren't you.

          Since the year 2000, around 1,100 Israelis have been killed by Palestinians whereas at least 6,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israelis.

          Human rights groups like B'Tselem have extensively documented the endemic settler violence against Palestinians all over the West Bank and particularly around Hebron and Itamar. They have also extensively documented the fact that settlers are very rarely charged – let alone convicted – of their crimes. For a taste of Israeli "democracy", check out this recent case which was reported widely in Israel:

          Settler jailed for assaulting Palestinian teen http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3082,00.htm

          So, a psychopathic settler is convicted of abducting and torturing a teenage Palestinian boy and receives a measly 18 month sentence – obscene. If a Palestinian had been convicted of the same thing, they'd be looking at minimum 15 years and you know it. You point to admirable settlers like Rabbi Menachem Froman who condemn violence against Palestinians. Funny how you don't mention Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira who advocates killing all Palestinian males over age 13. And funny how you don't mention that settlers in place like Hebron and Itamar support Shapira's sentiments and scrawl things like "Arabs to the gas chambers" over Palestinian shopfronts.

          For a taste of the settler violence you claim is so harshly condemned, check this out:

          Settler violence exposed – BBC report http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSDC_xUtf8o

          Yes you're right – Israeli settlements' built-up area is less than 2% of the overall land in the West Bank, but what you don't mention is that settlers and their organisations control over 40% of the West Bank. And what to make of the "Israeli only" bypass roads around the West Bank? More glaring omissions.

          If there's one thing worse than overt lies, it's lies by omission.

          • MixMChess

            "Since the year 2000, around 1,100 Israelis have been killed by Palestinians whereas at least 6,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israelis."

            As previously stated… which side has more casualties has nothing to do with who initiates and perpetuates the violence. Were Israel to reduce its anti-terrorism measures, Israeli casualties would FAR surpass those of Palestinians. Recall, fom 2000 to 2003 alone there were over 30,000 attempted terror attacks on Israeli civilians.

            The numbers prove my point. It is estimated that from 2000-2009 over 70% of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorism were civilians, whereas less than 30% of Palestinians killed were civilians. Palestinians target innocent Israeli civilians, Israel targets terrorists – big difference.

      • Leon

        'Israel is commiting land theft and appalling human rights abuses under our noses but manages to conceal this via a slick, ultra-deceitful propaganda machine'

        Can you provide any proof of this? I mean, you did see it with your own eyes right? So you'll have pictures or other evidence of these human rights abuses.

        Also, did you happen to visit any of the bomb shelters in Israel while you were there?

        • Rachael

          I've seen a little of it with my own eyes Leon – in Hebron. I didn't witness any murders but I witnessed settlers harassing, intimidating, spitting at and throwing stones at Palestinians – all of it unprovoked and all of it in front of Israeli soliders who refused to intervene and stop it. No I didn't personally film any of it, but I didn't need to as it's regularly being captured on camera by the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem and by groups such as Christian Peacemaker Teams. Here's a small sample:

          Setter violence exposed (BBC report): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSDC_xUtf8o

          Footage taken by British film crew of Israeli settlers trespassing and making death threats: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irIXIy6hNc8&fe

          Pack of settlers attacking sole Palestinian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYtvb8OW_cg

          Read this U.N. Office for the Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs special focus: http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_settler

          • Leon

            None of what you have listed above falls anywhere close to being classified as human rights abuse. What you've posted is random acts of violence commit by individuals, not a state endorsed program. Compare that to the state endorsed violence of hamas or fatah.

            Also the validity of the first video is highly suspect. '4 masked men' who happened to know in advance that they were going to be filmed ( so they covered their faces ) proceed to 'beat' these people, then leave them with the camera. And the only evidence is a blurry video and one female 'victim' with bruising and a bandaged arm, when clearly the person being 'attacked' in the video was a man. I'm sorry, but this is a poorly staged propaganda piece. The other video which initially accompanied this piece was even more poorly staged. A single 'settler' girl 'attacking' a group of about a dozen arab men.

            The second video shows a few kids talking trash to a film crew. This constitutes a human rights abuse case?

            The third video is another example of a random act of violence by some young idiots. Nobody was seriously hurt or killed. This constitutes a human rights abuse case? Really? 'Violence' like this happens everyday in every country on the planet. Do i need to remind you of what real violence is? Do i need to mention the Fogel family or any of the other murders carried out against the Jews in the west bank? Or the countless suicide attacks against civilian targets within Israel?

            The UN report documents violence carried out by settlers in response to Israeli soldiers evicting them. Again, individuals committing acts of violence. This is the same UN which is currently doing nothing about the genocide currently underway in Sudan. It is the same UN which recently tried to pass a law making the killing of homosexuals legal. The UN is little more than a building full of despots these days. Take a look at unwatch.org.

            While settlements are an issue, the main issue is the failure of the Palestine Arabs and their leaders to agree to a two state solution, and the violence they perpetrate against Israelis and their own people. How long is 'settler violence' going to the scapegoat for the problems they face?

        • Rachael

          And read this Amnesty International briefing which details concerns about Israel’s failure to implement the Convention against Torture and particularly in the Occupied Palestinian Territories – includes a section about settler violence: http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/MDE15/040

          No I didn't visit any bomb shelters in Israel although I have stayed with Israeli friends in Tel Aviv and saw their "safe room". What does this prove? Nothing. Does Israel expect to do whatever it wants in the region without fear of retaliation?

          • Leon

            'Does Israel expect to do whatever it wants in the region without fear of retaliation?'

            You just justified the deliberate targeting of civilians and still claim to be a moral person. I'm done with you.

          • MixMChess

            The Israeli Supreme Court formally banned torture in 1999. Israel's prohibitions on the use of torture are as high, if not higher, than those commonly practiced by the United States and Western European nations even though Israel is facing a terrorist war. Amnesty International has found similar (and more) violations among most other Western countries regarding the Convention against Torture. Of course it is important to only single out Israel and hold it to Amnesty International's impossible standards.

            The fact is Israel engages in strictly non-lethal information extraction much like the UK and many other western nations. Moreover, Israel is one of the few nations in the world that does NOT engage in lethal and more brutal forms of torture.

            Israel is set amidst countries with the worst torture records in the world. What about the very real routine and institutionalized torture used by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority? What about the cross amputations and stonings, genital mutilation and rape in neighboring Muslim countries?

      • ziontruth

        "…illegal Israeli settlers…"

        It is impossible for Jews to be settlers in Palestine; this is because the Jews are the indigenous Palestinian nation. The only settlers in Palestine are the Arab settlers, even if they have illicitly claimed the name "Palestinian" for themselves.

        "Israel is commiting land theft…"

        No, the Arabs are committing land theft. Arabs are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula and settler-colonist land-thieves everywhere else. The Jews are rightfully in Palestine just as the Greeks are rightfully in Greece.

        "…a slick, ultra-deceitful propaganda machine."

        Good description of the Arab deception of marketing their unjust imperialist struggle against the one and only Jewish state in the world as a "struggle for a nation's freedom."

        "…occupied [by Arab settlers] Palestinian Territories."

        And I cannot tolerate anti-Zionism in any form. Any denial of the Jews' right to exclusive sovereignty in Palestine is anathema as far as I'm concerned. If you don't want to support Zionism then a declaration of neutrality or apathy is just fine with me; but don't support our enemies, because I then consider you my enemy.

    • Rachael

      One other thing – it may well be the case that Palestinians killed Vittorio (although it may also be the case that they didn't – we don't know for sure at this stage). The point is that one act of criminality from a handful of Palestinians is not indicative of the wider Palestinian culture. Most Palestinians are appalled at this crime and horrified that the culprit could be one of their own. They're human beings and the last thing they would want is for a loyal friend to killed like this.

      • Chezwick_mac

        Rachel,

        Fact 1: The Palestinians are more "oppressed" by their Fatah and Hamas overlords….and by the religion of Islam…than they are by the Israelis.

        Fact 2: Your "wider Palestinian culture" was amply represented by the celebrations and the passing out of candy after 9-11 and – more recently – after the brutal murder of the Fogel family.

        You see, we're not ALL as hopelessly naive as you are.

        • Rachael

          Really Chezwick_mac, so you were in Gaza or the West Bank to see the masses of Palestinians handing out candies, were you? You captured these celebrations on camera, I presume? No, I didn't think so. The only evidence I saw of anyone handing out candy was a photo of a man in Gaza handing candy to someone in a car – there was no concrete evidence to indicate when the photo was taken or in what context. I recall seeing photos of Israelis having picnics as they watched Gaza being attacked from southern Israel – I could easily say this is representative of wider Israeli culture but I'm a little more discerning than you and I realise most Israelis weren't having celebratory picnics (despite their widespread support for a war crime – and don't point to Goldstone retracting a few comments here and there as the others on the investigatory panel fully stand by the report). I also recall seeing footage of Israeli settlers celebrating after the Baruch Goldstein massacre of Palestinians in 1994 – once again, I could use your logic to suggest this is the wider Israeli culture. Perhaps the following video is indicative of wider Israeli culture? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psVxOnXbyYQ

          TO BE CONTINUED …

          • MixMChess

            "I recall seeing photos of Israelis having picnics as they watched Gaza being attacked from southern Israel."

            That is a lie. For safety reasons, the IDF disallowed many Israeli and foreign journalists from entering the Gaza Strip during the height of Operation Cast Lead. This was due to the intensity of the bombing and fighting which occured in many parts of Gaza. Instead Israel moved many of these news correspondents to a hill located outside the Gaza border which the reporters named the “Hill of Shame”. It was from here where curious Israelis and news correspondents viewed the action in Gaza. It wasn't a spectator sport, and the only ones truly picnicing were the news correspondents. This is where the rumor got started.

            – I could easily say this is representative of wider Israeli culture but I'm a little more discerning than you and I realise most Israelis weren't having celebratory picnics (despite their widespread support for a war crime – and don't point to Goldstone retracting a few comments here and there as the others on the investigatory panel fully stand by the report). I also recall seeing footage of Israeli settlers celebrating after the Baruch Goldstein massacre of Palestinians in 1994 – once again, I could use your logic to suggest this is the wider Israeli culture. Perhaps the following video is indicative of wider Israeli culture? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psVxOnXbyYQ

          • Rachael

            MixMChess, so media reports about Israelis picnicking during the Gaza onslaught are lies or a distortion, but the media reports about Palestinians passing out candies after the Fogel family murder are beyond dispute?

            For a taste of the barbaric attitudes among many Israelis, you only need follow the reader comments that pour in to the Israeli English-speaking newspaper site Ynetnews. No-one need take my word for it – start following Ynetnews and check out the reader comments every time an article reports on Palestinian deaths and misfortune. The cruel and barbaric comments that pour in from Israelis must be seen to be believed.

          • MixMChess

            "MixMChess, so media reports about Israelis picnicking during the Gaza onslaught are lies or a distortion, but the media reports about Palestinians passing out candies after the Fogel family murder are beyond dispute?"

            Yes, exactly. The media is biased against Israel, who woulda' thunk it?

            "The cruel and barbaric comments that pour in from Israelis must be seen to be believed."

            Please, the Israeli comments don't represent the entire country only a minority. Besides, the minority of Israelis who do make angry comments have been victimized by Palestinian terrorism for the past 80+ years. Their comments are generous compared to the antisemitism rife in Palestinian media and from its own leaders:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i08L09V0_sg

            Here is Mickey Mouse teaching Palestinian children to kill Jews:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-c6lbFGC4

            I am sure Mickey's teachings are a good supplement to Palestinian textbooks which refer to Jews as pigs and monkeys:
            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace

          • MixMChess

            "I also recall seeing footage of Israeli settlers celebrating after the Baruch Goldstein massacre of Palestinians in 1994 – once again, I could use your logic to suggest this is the wider Israeli culture. Perhaps the following video is indicative of wider Israeli culture?"

            Baruch Goldstein was a singular, individual case of a guy who went crazy and became "deranged" because of the Arab violence against Jews. He was reportedly trying to thwart a planned Arab attack against the Jews of Hebron. Either way he had a few screws loose.

            Of course, there was no organization supporting and orchestrating his action as there is with Palestinian terrorists whose sponsoring organizations (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PLO… etc.) proudly take credit for terrorist acts. The reaction from the Israeli government and all Israeli and Jewish leaders was outrage and condemnation of Goldstein and the murders he committed. Converse this with official Palestinian (P.A. and Hamas) response to Palestinian terrorist actions. Hamas handed out sweets and celebrated in Rafah after the murder and decapitation of the innocent Israeli 4-year old!

            Additionally, the political party to which Goldstein belonged was extremely marginal and on the very fringes of Israeli life. But, the Israeli government outlawed the political party with which Goldstein was affiliated, because of its anti-Palestinian views and took further action against the party immediately after Goldstein's rampage. In fact, both organizations were declared terrorist organizations by the Israeli Cabinet in March of 1994. This is in direct contrast to how the P.A. promotes, supports and encourages its terrorist groups. If you don't believe me, just read a typical P.A. grade-school textbook which promotes hate and terror of Jews.

          • Rachael

            So you're trying to justify Goldstein's actions by saying he was trying to thwart an attack? Sick. Perverse. If he was trying to thwart an attack, he would have gone to the authorities and you know it. Moreover, settler violence against Palestinians in Hebron is endemic and yes, I have seen it with my own eyes. The settlers are the provocateurs, not the Palestinians.

            You say Goldstein became deranged because of Arab violence against Jews – funny how there are around 2,000 IDF soliders in Hebron to protect the Jews but no such protection is afforded the Palestinians. Funny how the Palestinian death toll always far exceeds the Israeli death toll. Why do these kind, peace-loving Israelis somehow inadvertently kill so many Palestinians during their efforts at "self-defence"? It's inexplicable really, isn't it. And if Goldstein was such an isolated case, why do many settlers in the West Bank venerate him?

            I've already cited the death statistics above – they show that Israel is a killing machine. The Palestinians do not have a US-funded military machine behind them so yes they use less conventional tactics – you'd do the same if you were subject to a cruel and violent illegal military occupation and had no other way of fighting back.

          • MixMChess

            "So you're trying to justify Goldstein's actions by saying he was trying to thwart an attack? Sick."

            Not at all. You are putting words in my mouth, which is indicative of your weak argument. My point is Baruch Goldstein was a single crazy idiot who does not at all represent the wider Israeli public.

            "Settler violence against Palestinians in Hebron is endemic and yes, I have seen it with my own eyes. The settlers are the provocateurs, not the Palestinians."

            Settlers rarely provoke Palestinians. As previously mentioned, 85% of the settlements are not near or adjacent to any Arab towns or villages and they rarely (if ever) have contact with Palestinians and Palestinians towns/villages.

            That stated, it has been well documented that Palestinians (and other anti-Israel groups) have been vandalizing property with the intention of blaming settlers for the destruction and violence. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3976976

            In fact, it is Pro-Palestinian activists who instigate most of the violence. They hold regular protests near the settlements throw stones and physically assault and provoke settlers to respond. They then film the response of the settlers, and present it to the media as evidence of settler violence. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4040845

          • MixMChess

            "Funny how there are around 2,000 IDF soliders in Hebron to protect the Jews but no such protection is afforded the Palestinians."

            There are not 2,000 IDF soldiers in Hebron especially considering the Jewish population is relatively small (around 500-1000). The IDF has taken plenty of actions to protect Palestinians. Recall, in 2007 the IDF evicted 20 settler families from a disputed apartment building. Besides, in 2009 the Israeli Supreme Court ruled that the IDF was required to protect Palestinians living in the W. Bank against any supposed settler violence.

            "Funny how the Palestinian death toll always far exceeds the Israeli death toll. Why do these kind, peace-loving Israelis somehow inadvertently kill so many Palestinians during their efforts at "self-defence"? It's inexplicable really, isn't it."

            Which side has more casualties has nothing to do with who initiates and perpetuates the violence. Since the outbreak of the second intifada, more Palestinians than Israelis have been killed only because Israel has managed to thwart most Palestinian terrorist attacks. If Israel reduced its anti-terrorism measures, Israeli casualties would FAR surpass those of Palestinians. From 2000 to 2003 alone there were over 30,000 attempted terror attacks on Israeli civilians. From 2000-2009 there have been over 8,000 rockets fired from Gaza into Israel.

            The fact that the Palestinian Authority and terrorist groups have not succeeded in killing more Israelis does not mean they have not consistently tried to do so.

            Of course, the truth is in the numbers… It is estimated that from 2000-2009 over 70% of Israelis killed by Palestinian terrorism were civilians, whereas less than 30% of Palestinians killed were civilians. Palestinians target innocent Israeli civilians, Israel targets terrorists – big difference.

            "And if Goldstein was such an isolated case, why do many settlers in the West Bank venerate him?"

            As stated above, most settlers want to live in peace with the Palestinians and are opposed to any violence. There are a few hundred idiots from Baruch Goldstein's settlement that worship him and should probably be thrown in jail.

          • MixMChess

            "The Palestinians do not have a US-funded military machine behind them so yes they use less conventional tactics -"

            Nonsense, the Palestinians have received billions in aid from the Arab league, the international community, the USA and even Israel herself. Palestinians could use their funding to build there society, instead they use it for terrorism against Israel.

            "you'd do the same if you were subject to a cruel and violent illegal military occupation and had no other way of fighting back."

            Nonsense, the International Red Cross and Amnesty International have both recognized that there is no excuse for Palestinian terrorism.

            Amnesty International published a study that "condemned all attacks by Palestinians against Israeli civilians" and said that "no Israeli action justified them." According to the report, “The attacks against civilians by Palestinian [terrorists] are widespread, systematic and in pursuit of an explicit policy to attack civilians. They therefore constitute crimes against humanity under international law.“

            Terrorism is NOT Israel’s fault, and it certainly is not the only response available to the Palestinians. As noted above, the Palestinians have received billions in aid that they could use to build their infrastructure and improve their situation. Instead they use the money on weapons to kill Israelis. The Palestinians could also choose the "nonviolent path" taken by Martin Luther King. Unfortunately, they have chosen to pursue a war of terror instead of a process for peace. Perhaps this is just indicative of the Palestinian mindset …

        • Rachael

          The Palestinians are horriby oppressed by the Israelis – fact. Fatah and Hamas are far from ideal – I agree – but that in no way excuses the despicable treatment and oppression meted out to Palestinians by the Israeli authorities.

          You see, we're not ALL as hopelessly allergic to the facts as you.

          • Chezwick_mac

            1) I have certainly seen the film of Palestinians celebrating after 9-11. Are you actually denying that such celebrations took place?

            2) "The Palestinians are horribly oppressed by the Israelis."

            Compared to what?

            To the treatment of Darfurese in Sudan? How many Palestinian women have been raped by Israelis since the "occupation"? Compare that infinitesimal number to the hundreds of thousands of rapes in Darfur.

            To the treatment of Christians in northern Nigeria? How many mosques have been burned in Gaza and the West Bank in the last year? In the last 30 years? Compare that infinitesimal number to the scores of churches were burned in Nigeria just in the last week?

            To the treatment of non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia? How many Palestinians have been arrested by the Israelis in the last 30 years for practicing their religion? Compare the number 0 with those routinely arrested by the Saudis for doing just that.

            To the genocide in southern Sudan? How many Palestinian non-combatants have been killed or starved by Israel since the '67 war? Compare that figure of between 10,000 and 20,000 to the Jihad waged from Khartoum that extinguished the lives of 1.2 million Sudanese Christians in a shorter period of time.

            You see, Rachel. Your vilification of Israel is hollow and hypocritical, because there are much, much greater injustices being perpetrated all around the globe, and for much, much less justifiable cause, than what the Israelis are doing. But those conflicts seem irrelevant to you…or if not, they certainly don't inspire the passion that Israeli actions do.

            One can only surmise from this that you are an anti-Semite, that to you, Israeli road-blocks and security fences are a greater offense than the genocide that has taken place in Sudan, than the slaughter of whole villages and the burning of scores of churches in Nigeria, than the systematic persecution of religious minorities in Saudi Arabia, and a host of other situational depredations around the far exceed anything endured by the Palestinians.

            Anti-Semitism is the only explanation.

          • Chezwick_mac

            PS – How are things in the land down under?

          • ziontruth

            The Arab settlers have been, in point of fact, dealt too lenient a hand by the indigenous of Palestine, the Jews. The fact is, the usual treatment settler-colonists should expect from the indigenous is that they would be booted off their stolen land, entirely. HaShem willing, we Jews, the indigenous Palestinians, will do so soon, and we will be rid of these land-thieves who wish to kill us all and take all our possessions (God forbid).

      • MixMChess

        "Most Palestinians are appalled at this crime and horrified that the culprit could be one of their own. They're human beings and the last thing they would want is for a loyal friend to killed like this."

        Not true, over 75% of the Palestinian population support (both morally and materially) terrorism such as the disgusting murder of the Fogel family. Recall, Palestinians voted Hamas to power knowing full well the organization calls for the destruction of Israel and the use of terrorism to achieve its aims.

  • imnokuffar

    The man was a twat and deserved everything he got for supporting a bunch of Muslim terrorists.

    Good riddance and may many more of his ilk follow him.

    He did not even get his virgins – what a shame.

  • Nathan

    Couldn't agree more – Palestinians resort to violence just for the sake of it. Just because their houses have been illegally demolished by the IDF, their land has been stolen, their water resources have been stolen, they're terrorised by illegal Israeli settlers, they've been denied elementary civic and human rights under an illegal military occupation for 44 years, they've been confined to South Africa style bantustans in their own land, their elected officials are routinely assassinated or kidnapped and imprisoned.

    No, Palestinians don't have any reason to resort to violence – they just do it for the sake of it…..

    • Rifleman

      The Israelis left Gaza years ago, Has your record been broke that long?
      Sounds like you should join the ISM and go give those nice jihadis a hand. Be sure to wear something bright and carry a phone.

    • MixMChess

      "Just because their houses have been illegally demolished by the IDF,"

      Under international law, Israel can reserve the right to take measures to prevent attacks from territories it is "administering." Home demolition is a legitimate and perfectly legal counter-terrorism measure that effectively deters potential suicide bombers.

      In 2002, Haaretz reported that a 24-year-old Palestinian woman who had planned to be a suicide bomber turned herself in to Israeli authorities in February 2002. "[S]he said she had decided to turn herself in to the army, she said that she was afraid her parents' home would be demolished."

      Similarly, in 2003 the New York Times reported that Palestinian terrorists themselves "concede that the measures have made it harder to stage attacks…."

    • ziontruth

      "[Arab settlers] resort to violence just for the sake of it."

      Of course they don't. They resort to violence because that's one of the ways of achieving their imperialist goal–the goal of stealing the Jews' one and only homeland.

      "…they've been denied elementary civic and human rights under an illegal military occupation for 44 years,…"

      Very well then, let's put an end to this abnormal and fruitless situation. I say, all Arab settlers should stop suffering military occupation. It is abnormal and fruitless for the indigenous (in the case of Palestine: The Jews) to maintain a military occupation over their own land, as if they were some kind of colonial authority. No, the Arab settlers must be expelled, all of them; there can be no just and viable peace as long as the indigenous of Palestine, the Jews, are having their land stolen by those illegal Arab settlers.

  • http://www.jochnowitz.net George Jochnowitz

    When Israel defeats the Arabs, as happened in 1967, 1973, etc., anti-Israel hatred zooms up all over the world. When Israel does the Arabs a favor, like withdrawing from Lebanon or Gaza, anti-Israel hatred zooms up. When Israel does nothibng, anti-Israel hatred zooms up.
    Perhaps there really IS a God. If so, He's an embittered anti-Semite, forever hardening the hearts of the world against the Jews.
    Here is my poem on the subject: http://www.jochnowitz.net/Essays/AfterTheBinding….

    • ziontruth

      "Perhaps there really IS a God. If so, He's an embittered anti-Semite,…"

      God is above all criticism. The clay is not in the position to criticize the potter.

      "…forever hardening the hearts of the world against the Jews."

      In order that their hearts not stray away from Him; and in order for them, and for anyone else who looks at the events, to realize that He is in control.

    • ziontruth

      "Perhaps there really IS a God. If so, He's an embittered anti-Semite,…

      God is above all criticism. The clay is not in a position to criticize the potter.

      "…forever hardening the hearts of the world against the Jews."

      In order that they not stray from Him; and in order that they, and everybody else, by looking at the events, realize that He is in control.

    • cjk

      Take out god in your above comment and replace it with Allah/Satan and you're good to go.

  • dawned

    Seems to be a plethora of islam lovers and sympathizers here today,hhh, sandy, excitedsnaped, olberto……who they think they foolin….they write piles of taqiyya poop..

  • Mahmoud

    This idiot consorts with scum-of -the earth criminals, and he gets to be on the receiving end of their logic. Too bad. What causes this strange self-loathing attitude of liberals who sympathize with people who would kill them at the first opportunity?

  • Lisa Richards

    Jamie, as always you're work is outstanding. I read the links about women activists being raped and kidnapped by those who they glorify, yet they never write about that in their leftist papers, because they want us blind to the truth.

    Thank you for your brilliant columns. They educate! Keep them coming and continue your father's fight againsts oppression, communism, totalitarianism, leftism, socialism, and all th eevils that must be exposed. Great job!

  • Tony

    Mahmoud, as you can tell from some of the comments on this page, the apologists don't even accept the fact that this clown was murdered by Islamic terrorists. They think it's a Jewish conspiracy. Actually, everything is a Jewish conspiracy. Perhaps Rachael, Ronnie or excitedsynapses should take a trip over to where the clown was murdered and learn for themselves. There will always be useful idiots available for the world's terrorists to use and then abuse.

  • BS77

    when you play with poisonous snakes, you WILL be bitten.

  • http://vnnforum.com DeShawn

    You damn jews pretty much always follow the same strategy: you go in, do a bunch of horrible things (whether it's killing Palestinians and stealing their land, killing 60 million Russians or capturing black Africans for the slave trade), and when ANYONE calls you on it, suddenly it's all about "hate" and "antisemitism." Well you know what? Average folks are getting TIRED of it and they see through it. Those words don't mean anything anymore. Jews are the biggest haters and criminals in the world, and the world knows it. But I suppose the entire world is wrong, right? You hook-nosed weasals probably killed this poor Italian fellow yourselves.

    • P.D.

      Your comments on so beyond the real world that I can only figure that you are using extreme sarcasm

      • Mack

        DeShawn's comments are decidedly charitable compared to what a lot of Jews say about the Palestinians and Muslims generally.

      • MixMChess

        DeShawn has already been exposed as a neo-Nazi. He is a member of a neo-Nazi/Aryan website and poses as an African American all while defaming Jews.

        • Mack

          PS I find it hilarious that readers can't take a bit of what they dish out. All of this accusing Palestinian supporters of being "politically correct" and "left wing" idiots. Then, the moment someone posts a politically incorrect comment about Jews, the neo-Nazi accusations start rolling in. HILARIOUS.

          • http://vnnforum.com DeShawn

            You are absolutely right, Mack. The folks here are giant hypocrites. They post the most hateful things about Arabs and Muslims, but when anyone points out the genocide they launch against the Palestinians, suddenly I'm a "hater" "antisemite" or "neo-Nazi" (which I can't be because I'm black). THey say every nasty thing about the Koran but they forget all the filth in their holy book the TalMUD.

            "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matthew 7:2-5)

          • MixMChess

            The Talmud only preaches peace and respect. The Talmud hoaxes and attacks have been around since the middle ages and have repeatedly been debunked. Time to come up with some new material DeShawn.

          • ziontruth

            "…suddenly I'm a 'hater' 'antisemite' or 'neo-Nazi' (which I can't be because I'm black)."

            Obviously you're black. I mean, it's usual for blacks make a username link to white supremacist websites. Sarcasm off.

            However, even assuming you're black, kindly let go of the delusion that makes you immune to being a hater on a racial or ethnic basis. The yin to the KKK's yang is the Black Panthers, and as the whites have their David Duke, so do the blacks have their Jeremiah Wright (Obama's pastor for about two decades).

          • MixMChess

            DeShawn is a certified neo-Nazi who wandered over here from stromfront. Click his name and you will go to a neo-Nazi website. Seriously this isn't rocket science genius.

          • Mack

            I just clicked on DeShawn's name and indeed I was directed to a rather, shall we say, interesting site – some would say an extremist site. But the site looked no more extremist than this one. This site is full of hate directed at Palestinians and Muslims and full of extremist, dehumanising propaganda and nonsense. I don't care what DeShawn's underlying political affiliations are – his comments gave me a good laugh and gave the posters on this site a taste of their own medicine. DeShawn, you and I might not be reading from the same page, but thanks for the laughs!!

          • ziontruth

            "This site is full of hate directed at [Arab settlers] and Muslims and full of extremist, dehumanising propaganda and nonsense."

            Nice try, but no. I think a lot of people here, probably even most, hate the Muslims for what they do, not for what they are. All over the world, people of various ethnicities and faiths have been for the past few decades given experiential schooling to know that Islam means trouble for non-Muslims, given by the Muslims themselves. None had ever wanted to hate the Muslims before that.

            If the Muslims were to stop their terrorism, I would stop hating them. As simple as that. Until then, I don't give a rotten fig for your canards about "dehumanizing" them. This is the instinct of self-preservation and no one should be ashamed of that.

          • http://vnnforum.com DeShawn

            Man, even your fellow jews think that Isreal is full of crap. Take a look at what this jew has to say: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/i-do-not-believe-

            Isreal's days are coming to a close. I hope the Palestinians deal with you jews more justly then you folks have dealt with them. If it was up to me, I'd send all you Khazar devils to back central Asia where y'all are from.

          • ziontruth

            "Man, even your fellow jews think that Isreal is full of crap."

            When I see such a sentence, I think to myself, what are the chances the anti-Zionist POS is going to quote one of the usual gang of Jewish Marxist quislings? And, right on the cue, I get a link to the website of Gil'ad Atzmon, one of the most whacked-out of the lot (so much so that even DailyKKKos can't stomach link to him). So predictable!

            By the way, it's spelled "Israel," not "Isreal" unless you wish to contrast between IsREAL and BOGUStine.

            "If it was up to me, I'd send all you Khazar devils to back central Asia where y'all are from."

            The Khazaria Hypothesis, another staple of the Stormfronters.

            We are staying on our homeland, Palestine, the homeland of every Jew, no matter where he was born, and no matter his race (because Jewishness, unlike your ethnic identity, isn't based on race). You, on the other hand, might consider evacuating the North American land you're right now leeching off of the American Indians. Not that I particularly care about the issue, just trying to give you a hand in being less hypocritical.

          • Martin

            Hitler said the same about the Jews – he hated them for what they do, not for who they are. Nice try pretending your views are any more legitimate then Hilter's – sadly they're not.

  • john

    The Serpent's Seed, well represented in the replies to this excellent column will never
    prevail against the Jewish State. You can blow yourself to hell all you want because that
    is where you will spend Eternity.

    The Historical Facts are clear. The Palestinian people are Historical Squatters on land that was never theirs. They moved in after the Jewish people, because of disobedience
    to GOD were exiled by the mighty Roman Empire. God gave the land to the seed of
    Abraham and their's nothing you can do to change that.

    The Arabs have prevailed nothing against the Jewish State in all their wars and the
    Terrorists have accomplished nothing in all their irrational and demonic killings
    which have no military significance whatsoever.

    What have the Arabs done with the land God gave them? Nothing! They are a disgrace to the Human race. Their miserable countries are practically unliveable.

    You would think that a logical person would come to a sensible conclusion: Your
    Allah has done nothing for you! The GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has done
    much for Israel!!

  • MixMChess

    DeShawn is Lying to defame Jews, other comments are simply telling the TRUTH about Palestinian terrorism.

  • Mack

    Israel sure did use white phosphorous on children. Try to talk your way out of or rationalise that one all you like, but the only people listening will be the usual nutters on this and other fanatic right-wing site.

    As for the Fogel family, Israelis presumed from day one that it was Palestinians despite the notorious psychopathy of many Itamar settlers. And now a few teenage boys have been arrested. Yeah, like a pair of teenage boys managed all of that. But of course I'm sure you'll be able to provide extensive detail as to exactly why they did it because from what I've read of your posts, you know everything about Israelis and Palestinians and always have convenient explanations as to why Israelis are never wrong and Palestinians are never right. Hasabara king.

    • ziontruth

      "As for the Fogel family, Israelis presumed from day one that it was [Arab settlers]…"

      Because that has been the way the Arab settlers have treated the indigenous Palestinians (=the Jews) since the 1920s. To all those who insisted the murder could have been committed by a disgruntled Thai worker, my response was, from the start: If so then it will have been the first time. No, the more sensible assumption is that of Arab/Islamic terrorism, which fits not only with what we Jews in Palestine have known for so long, but also with what other non-Muslims have experienced at the hands of the Muslims, such as the Russians at Beslan.

    • MixMChess

      "Israel sure did use white phosphorous on children. Try to talk your way out of or rationalise that one all you like, but the only people listening will be the usual nutters on this and other fanatic right-wing site."

      You are a LIAR, the International Red Cross confirmed in 2009 that Israel NEVER improperly or illegally used white phosphorous on civilians in Gaza.

      That stated, white phosphorus was used by HAMAS as a weapon against civilians, when it fired mortar shells filled with White Phosphorous from Gaza into Israeli civilian enclaves (like Sderot).

      • Jerry

        Here is a Fox News headline:
        "U.N. Called Upon to Probe Israeli Use of Phosphorous Shells" http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510705,00.htm
        Seriously, MixMChess do your research. The Red Cross was later forced to withdraw their statement because the UN headquarters were hit with white phosphorous.

        • MixMChess

          You are a LIAR Jerry, the International Red Cross never withdrew its statement. It confirmed that Israel's use of white phosphorous and stated it was used LEGALLY and never on civilians.

          The news article is just discussing the allegations that Human Rights Watch levied against Israel. The allegations actually came out back in January during the middle of the operation and were subsequently debunked by the IRC. There is no proof that Israel illegally targeted civilians with white phosphorous. It was used as a smoke screen which is perfectly legal under International Law.

          As for the UN compound, this myth was also debunked during the operation. While Hamas was illegally using the compound to fire weapons at Israeli civilians, the IDF never targeted the compound, in fact it targeted the outskirts and street of the compound. White Phosphorous was used as a smokescreen to illuminate targets, not to attack civilians. Seriously, use your brain.

          • Jerry

            Ahh, that's why Israel even reprimanded its own forces. Now the IDF must be lying. ahahaha! you write the craziest things.

          • Jerry

            "Many human rights organisations and the UN Goldstone Report into Operation Cast Lead said that the white phosphorus had been illegally used by the IDF". Recall the backtracking of IDF numerous times? First the never used white phosphorus.. then they used it only as a smokescreen.. then..oops..sorry. Guess its was used offensively after all.

          • MixMChess

            Go re-read my comment, the IRC confirmed that Israel never used it illegally. Keep trying though…

  • Mack

    Nonsense Tony. Three out of the four Goldstone panel members firmly stand by their position that Israel deliberately targeted civilians during Operation Cast Lead. The IDF show the ultimate in cowardice, targeting defenceless men, women and children with their high-powered machinery. The IDF are a disgrace to humanity.

    • MixMChess

      You are a LIAR Mack. Over 85% of the casualties in Gaza were Hamas terrorist operatives, and NOT civilians.

      In fact the civilian casualties that were reported were vastly over exaggerated by Hamas. For instance, the casualties included Hamas operatives who were dressed in civilian clothing, in order to give the impression most casualties were civilians. The Hamas leadership strictly forbade anyone to identify Hamas operatives who were killed.

      Also, members of the Abbas loyal Palestinian Authority were declared "civilian casualties" even though they were murdered by Hamas (and NOT Israel) as part of an inter-Palestinian power struggle.

    • MixMChess

      I might add that Israel scrupulously followed international laws of engagement, targeting only terrorist operatives, weapons, and infrastructure, and going beyond normal standards for Western democracies in protecting civilians and supplying its enemy with medical care and humanitarian goods. Israel never intentionally targeted civilians or children.

      Of course, any civilian casualties were the fault of Hamas, which systematically and callously violated all humanitarian and international law by targeting (Israeli) civilians, using children and women as human shields, and stealing humanitarian and medical goods from Gaza residents. Perhaps if the "brave" Hamas terrorists didn't hide among civilians there wouldn't have been any civilian casualties at all?

      As British Colonel Richard Kemp noted shortly after Operation Cast Lead: "I don't think there's ever been a time in the history of warfare when any army has made more efforts to reduce civilian casualties and deaths of innocent people than the IDF is doing today in Gaza."

      Mack, you are a disgrace to humanity.

      • Jared

        MixMChess, perhaps you should read the Goldstone report. Richard Goldstone is Jewish, was a former judge, and has created a strong reputation for his work all around the world on human rights violations. I know there is so much mis information about this conflict, but at least read what the actual report said, and then decide whether you want to dispute the claims or not.

        • MixMChess

          Goldstone has already began retracting many of the claims of his own report… Learn the facts:
          http://www.goldstonereport.org/

          • Jared

            That is a propaganda website. You know that right? It is has been debunked over and over again. In all seriousness, try reading the actual report, and make up your mind on your own. Not by reading what people with a political motive think of it.

          • MixMChess

            The Goldstone report itself is propaganda. You know that right? Try reading the sources for Israel's supposed crimes, Goldstone relied primarily on Hamas operatives and other pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel sources. He completely ignored information provided by the IDF. Seriously get a clue.

  • ziontruth

    "Hitler said the same about the Jews – he hated them for what they do, not for who they are."

    Absolutely false. What do you think Nazi racial theory was all about? He and his henchmen cast the Jews in immutable, nature-fixed terms. I don't view the Arabs as naturally evil, I believe they could change one day. The Nazis didn't believe the Jews could change.

    Thanks, anyhow, for the demonstration of the produce of today's public school system, at least as regards knowledge of history.