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So I guess, my friend, we are very different people. I don’t know if you had the same experiences I had. I know a lot of Russians, even Russian Jews, who miss Russia and go there to spend their vacations. I cannot comprehend that. It’s like a bad relationship where someone treated you like a dog, yet you want to go back to them. But again, don’t forget that I am a gay Jew, and trust me when I say that’s a very hard cross to bear.
FP: My heart is with you my friend.
Let’s move forward and talk about the here and now in the United States. Tell us about being a gay person in the gay community and yet not going along with the Israel bashing and the apologetics for Islam. Your experience with anti-Semitism in Russia has clearly influenced your intellectual and political journey. Share with us why you don’t go along with the Left on this realm and some of the dynamics that have occurred because of your position. For instance, have you been persecuted in some ways by the gay Left for your views and also been excommunicated by certain friends and social circles? Has this been painful to you?
Lucas: It is very difficult to both be gay and advocate for Israel because it immediately pegs you as a right-winger, which is not a good thing in the gay community. It is even worse for me since in my articles for The Advocate I go beyond support for Israel and frequently give harsh criticism of Islam. I not only oppose their aggression towards the West and Israel, but I condemn them for their treatment of gays, women and minorities. For speaking about the issues I have been accused of being a racist and called all sorts of names, such as a pro-Zionist peddler, a genocidal pornographer, and a fascist, among other things. That never stopped me and never will stop me from saying what I want when I want to.
If you look at my articles in The Advocate, you will see that no matter how well I articulate my points and how accurate my facts are, I am sometimes completely demonized in the comments sections. Have I lost friends? Some. Do I get in lots of fights with people? Absolutely. Is it painful for me? Of course it is. It is very painful. In general, you become an immediate outcast in the gay world if you are accused of being “conservative”. There is nothing remotely conservative about speaking for Israel and criticizing Islam. There is nothing conservative about speaking the truth.
FP: You ignited a fire of controversy in March 2008 while speaking at Stanford University. Tell us what happened.
Lucas: At Stanford, I was invited to speak about safe sex, but Muslim students at the university were protesting my appearance. They were putting together a petition and writing articles in the Stanford Daily. I was accused of racism, so instead of speaking on what I was invited to speak on, I turned it into a conversation about Islam and I shamed the Muslim students for not knowing that the term racism is only applicable to race and not religion. I actually got a round of applause, though some students left during the speech and Q&A.
FP: Your thoughts on the mainstream, gay, liberal media in light of how they have cover Israel?
Lucas: It is amazing how the liberal media is so persistent in its attacks on Israel. They are completely immune to the facts and reason. It is very difficult to talk to them when you give them known facts and they tell you that they aren’t true. You can tell them about the history of the Middle East, but they have already rewritten the history of the Middle East to suit their opinions. They cry only for dead Palestinians and never for dead Israelis, giving a lot of coverage Israeli retaliations but not to the aggression of Israel’s neighbors that bring the retaliations on. The liberal press turns everything upside down — truth and lies, victim and victimizer — in order to make their case against Israel. As far as I’m concerned they have no case at all.
FP: Do you think the liberal press represents the entire gay community or just a part of the gay community? How big of a part of the gay community does the liberal press actually represent?
Lucas: The liberal media likes to pretend that they speak for the whole gay community, but they don’t. They probably speak to the larger part, but definitely not for everyone. Here is a good example from Queerty. The website has made over 200 posts about me, but look at the comments under each article. More and more readers are actually approving of my views, despite the outraged tone of the article’s author, who tries to guide the audience on how to read my opinions. So in a way, I’m quite optimistic. I think gay people are waking up. There are a lot of people who think the way that I think. If you look at my Advocate articles, the comments show that there are more and more of them, but it is dangerous for people to speak up. People are afraid to do so. They feel that it will put their reputations, relationships and even jobs in jeopardy. People don’t want to be called names or accused of racism and supporting genocide and “apartheid”. These are serious accusations and many would rather keep silent than be subjected to that. That’s why there are so few voices and mine is very lonely.
FP: The gay community as a whole seems to be very anti-Israeli. Why do you think that is?
Lucas: I find it absolutely maddening that gay people, who are the number one target of Islam, are so ignorant of the facts. They are romanticizing the same Palestinians that hang gay people on cranes, but demonizing Israel, which is a safe haven for gay people. I believe that gay people are rational and intelligent, but after being persecuted for a very long time and mostly demonized by conservatives, they align themselves with the left, which has brainwashed them for years and years. This is not the fault of gay people, but an unfortunate circumstance.
Gay people were so pushed away by the conservative right and the Republican Party that they have found themselves in bed with Islamic barbarians. They mistakenly see Israel as the victimizer and Palestine as the victim. Years of homophobic attacks from the right leads to gay people associating their fight with that of the Palestinians. They see Palestinians as the underdog, and that is the fault of the media. I am about to change that with a new organization I am starting called Out! for Israel. This will be the first LGBT organization that will stand for Israel and be a pro-Israel voice in the LGBT community, supporting Israel as a Jewish state that enjoys full LGBT rights that neighboring countries do not afford them.
FP: For our readers who might not know what LGBT means, kindly explain.
Lucas: LGBT is the collective term for lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transsexuals.
FP: It is interesting that you were an outcast in Russia as a gay and Jewish person and now in America, among certain communities that you are a part of, you are an outcast once again. Being an outcast and a dissident of some sorts appears to be your narrative and your fate in life. Your thoughts?
Lucas: You are right. I guess I am a very outspoken person with lots of guts and I am never intimidated by anybody. I came to the west because I wanted to be able to speak my mind and the fact that I do doesn’t sit well with many. I recently wrote an article where I accused the Israeli gay community of cowardice because they wanted to send a delegation to Berlin and not carry Israeli flags and I am already receiving a backlash. Now I fear that I will be outcast in the gay Israeli community as well. Did I predict this when I wrote the article? Yes. Did it stop me from writing it? No. So I guess it is my fate, but I am used to it, so it’s OK.
FP: Please explain a bit further that the term racism is only applicable to race and not religion (when you shamed the Muslim students for not knowing it).
Lucas: I don’t know how to explain it much better except to reiterate that religion has nothing to do with race. I have never said anything bad about Arabs. I never said that they are less intelligent than anyone else. I know they are not less capable. I am talking about Islam and Islam comes from the Koran and the Koran is today’s Mein Kampf. At least, that’s how they read and use it. And since we are on the subject, I don’t think there is such a thing as moderate Islam. To prove that racism isn’t really applicable to Islam, Muslims themselves just invented the word Islamophobia. Now I am called an Islamophobe, a racist, a lunatic, a poison to the gay community, and a long list of insults.
FP: What is at the heart of the leftist faith? What is at the heart of Jew-hatred?
Lucas: The leftist faith is supporting the supposed underdog, loving the third world, supporting anti-globalization, sympathizing with American enemies, being cozy with dictators, supposedly concerning themselves about the poor, and desiring to have government interference in every possible sector, which is a most ridiculous belief. I know very well how disastrous it is for a country since I came from a country where the government had control of every aspect.
When I think about the left, I think Michael Moore, but don’t get me wrong. I’m not a conservative. I can’t possibly be one. Most conservatives hate my lifestyle and me as much as liberals hate my political opinions. I also hold conservatives as much at fault of the Islamization of the west as liberals. Wasn’t it George W. Bush that kept preaching that Islam is a religion of peace? Wasn’t it Condoleeza Rice that kept saying that Turkey should join the European Union?
Jew hatred comes from jealousy because of supposed wealth and accusations of being disloyal to the countries they live in.
FP: You state: “These are serious accusations and many would rather keep silent than be subjected to that. That’s why there are so few voices and mine is very lonely.”
What has made you the brave and courageous person that you are? You are not afraid to stand alone.
Lucas: Thank you. As I said before, I think this is something I am used to since my very early years in Russia. I don’t like to stand alone, but I would rather be alone than sacrifice my beliefs. I am a bit uncomfortable answering a question like this. I think other people should come to the conclusion about whether I am brave or not.
FP: Are you a religious person? What is your conception of God or a higher power if you have one?
Lucas: I am absolutely not a religious person. I am always stressing that I am a Jewish atheist who does not believe in the supernatural. I believe that we created God and God didn’t create us. We created him out of our weaknesses because we are afraid to live and, mostly, we are afraid to die. I am envious of people who believe in God because I think it is a little bit easier for them to say good-bye to and cope with the death of their loved ones. They can find comfort in the beliefs and it’s a little easier for them to go through life. But I never will get to the point where I start to believe. Six million Jews were slaughtered. Men, women and children. They were all praying to God, weren’t they? If the Creator exists, then he is for sure a nasty one. So in short, I don’t believe, and will never allow myself to believe, in God or a higher power.
When it comes to Jews, I believe in our heritage and our history, which was both courageous and tragic. We survived no matter how much the world wanted to and wants to exterminate us, which I attribute, by the way, to Jewish people’s strength, and not God’s will. I believe in an Israel that is strong so the Holocaust will never happen again and we will never be exterminated again. If we are to die, we should die with arms in our hands. Not slaughtered like sheep.
FP: Michael Lucas, thank you for joining Frontpage Interview. We wish you the best and thank you for your courage in standing up to the Left and for freedom, America and Israel.
To get the whole story on why leftist gays support Islamo-fascist persecutors of gays, read Jamie Glazov’s United in Hate: The Left’s Romance With Tyranny and Terror.
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